I'm pretty sure Dali would approve of D Trump and his gang's elitist and oppressive antics, especially the notion of paying off an uppity brownfellow with a gaudy bauble.
Dali was a Franco ass-kissing fascist in the classic 1930's sense which was why he was shunned by most of the rest of the early to mid 20th century art world who saw him for what he was, a reasonably talented draughtsman with some very repetitive ideas. Silly amerikan hippies who didn't know any better bought his garish posters which typically contained but one rather obvious notion, in huge numbers. I suppose their drug addled brains couldn't manage anything more than one overly laboured idea at a time.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Feb 12 2017 20:01 utc | 101

Last Saturday morning, the Daily Caller Foundation posted an exclusive story reporting on the firing of three brothers who managed IT for the House Intelligence committee and other rep's. Little more has been reported but here's a link to the original story -

House Intelligence, Foreign Affairs Committee Members Compromised By Rogue IT Staff -
http://dailycaller.com/2017/02/04/exclusive-house-intelligence-it-staffers-fired-in-computer-security-probe/

Then yesterday, ZH posted the below link guessing at some potential connections to this bubbling story -

An Alleged Muslim Spy Ring - Is This Why Rex Tillerson Cleaned House? - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-11/alleged-muslim-spy-ring-why-rex-tillerson-cleaned-house

As well, the Observer touched on the story by reporting on Wasserman Schultz's angle. Apparently, she is one of the rep's who these IT fella's worked for -
Employee of Corruption Magnet Debbie Wasserman Schultz Under Criminal Investigation - http://observer.com/2017/02/imran-awan-democrat-debbie-wasserman-schultz-criminal-investigation/

Something is a foot and the neo's are pulling out every distraction they can muster and the dinosaur media isn't reporting on any of this. Time will tell where it all leads...but as some have suggested about the Tenet award going to Nayaf, that is he may have alerted folks in DC to something or not, nothing would surprise me anymore. Seems trying to figure out what in the world is going on these days is like working a gigantic 3-D puzzle blindfolded.

Posted by: h | Feb 12 2017 20:02 utc | 102

My take from the original Seymour Hersch article (difficult to read as the New Yorker really wants us to know they've presented the piece) is that the US/Saudi relationship depends so much on money - Saudis have it; they finance everything the US wants to do. What's in it for the Saudis? They get to dictate policy in the Middle East. (Hence, it's really their CIA.) I was amazed Saudi money replaced Congressional funding approval for American wars of choice. Silly me thought the wealth of the US was being deployed, but no - LBJ's choice of guns or butter doesn't apply. Okay, so where's the butter going? Not into the war on poverty, that's for sure.

We have to pay more attention to corporate malfeasance. It's the other leg of the three legged stool: USA-Saudi Arabia-MegaCorp.

Posted by: juliania | Feb 12 2017 20:09 utc | 103

@rg the lg 93 : Nice summation: "CIA Honors Major Terrorist Financier for Successful Cooperation."

I think this is something of a "Lifetime Achievement Award," though. Consider two periods - the latter half of the 1970s, when the Saudi-US cooperation/petrodollar deal was struck, and the 2003 invasion of Iraq

If we look back to when Saudi Arabia really came into the U.S. orbit, it goes back to the assassination of Saudi King Faisal in March 1975:
http://www.boldfacenews.com/the-strange-assassination-of-king-faisal/

In April 1974, King Faisal sends his oil minister, Sheikh Yamani, to Washington to inform Kissinger that he will not increase the oil production if the US does not force Israel to withdraw from the occupied territories.

This was a time when American global power was severely damaged by the Vietnam debacle; the last military action in southeast Asia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayaguez_incident) was about to take place, and Kissinger and Ford had just agreed with the Shah of Iran to support a military intervention in Saudi Arabia if an independent leader was to take power:

Kissinger: "We told [the Shah] we would support a paratroop operation in Saudi Arabia in a crisis. You could say you are aware of this contingency planning."
Ford to Shah of Iran: "Henry told me what he told you we would do if there were a Qaddafi-like development in Saudi Arabia. I reaffirm it." Source: Andrew Scott Cooper, The Oil Kings, 2011

So now let's see what Prince Nayef's role was in the aftermath of the assassination of Faisal, courtesy Wikileaks trove of State Department cables:

AS ANOTHER INDICATION OF THE PURPOSIVE REACTION OF THE REGIME TO THE KING'S ASSASSINATION, WE HAVE LEARNED THAT VICE MINISTER OF INTERIOR PRINCE NAYEF ALMOST IMMEDIATELY SET OFF FOR THE EASTERN PROVINCE TO ASSURE BY HIS PRESENCE THE STABILITY OF THIS IMPORTANT AND SENSITIVE PART OF THE KINGDOM. - Date:1975 March 29, 16:00 (Saturday) Canonical ID:1975JIDDA02245_b

CROWN PRINCE FAHD RELINQUISHED HIS POST AS MINISTER OF THE INTERIOR TO HIS FULL BROTHER, PRINCE NAYEF BIN ABD AL-AZIZ. Date:1975 October 14, 15:15 (Tuesday) Canonical ID:1975JIDDA06924_b

ON JUNE 4 AMBASSADOR MET WITH SAUDI MINISTER OF INTERIOR, PRINCE NAYEF BIN ABDUL AL-AZIZ. DISCUSSION COVERED RECENT CONGRESSIONAL VOTE ON F-15 SALE. - Date:1978 June 11, 00:00 (Sunday) Canonical IaD:1978JIDDA04331_d

These really spells out the birth of an era in which the Saudi Royal Family, in exchange for military support from the United States, will never again make any real objections to U.S. policy in the region, or formally oppose Israel's apartheid state. For example, when it was decided to invade an occupy Iraq (an action supported by both Democratic and Republican leadership, from Bush to Clinton, in 2003)?

https://search.wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/03ABUDHABI237_a.html
Some amusing points from a discussion between US and UAE officials:

MBZ [Crown Prince of Abu Dhabi] noted that public opinion in the Arab world would be containable provided military action was short and decisive. Keeping Israeli PM Ariel Sharon in his box was also important. Returning to a common theme in his discussions with visiting U.S. officials, MBZ emphasized the importance of reining in the Doha-based Al-Jazeera satellite network prior to any military action. . . MBZ had asked General Franks to bomb Al-Jazeera. . . MBZ took a dim view of some of the senior Al-Saud -- sardonically noting that Interior Minister Nayef's bumbling manner suggested that "Darwin was right" -

More meetings with the U.S.and Saudi officials (including Nayef) in 2005:

On September 5, Assistant to the President for Homeland Security Fran Townsend met with King Abdullah at his invitation at the King's home in Jeddah. The meeting, notable for its warm and friendly tone, focused on the Saudi progress in subduing Saudi terrorists and the need to contain Iran's efforts to destabilize Iraq. - Date:2005 September 13, 11:44 (Tuesday) Canonical ID:05JEDDAH3366_a

More pledges of security cooperation:

Speaking of the nuclear threat, the King said only the US has the capability of dealing with Iran, and that the President should take action before the end of his Administration. On counterterrorism cooperation, Prince Muhammad bin Nayef briefed on efforts to stand up a Facilities Security Force. Townsend said the US will cooperate and support KSA equipment and training requirements. - Date:2006 December 13, 15:21 (Wednesday) Canonical ID:06RIYADH9078_a

And, a comprehensive report on Saudi-America relations for Petraeus' visit to KSA in 2008:

Iran remains the strategic threat at the forefront of Saudi security concerns. They see Iran's activities as dangerously provocative, not only in Iraq, but also in Lebanon, Bahrain, central Africa and Southeast Asia

And, same story, policy continues unchanged under Obama as evidenced by this John Brennan meeting in 2009

The meeting reaffirmed close U.S.-Saudi security ties and served to reassure the Saudis that the new administration will maintain these ties.

That one points to Yemen and Syria as points of concern, particulary the effort to "wean Syria from Iran". That effort obviously failed, leading to the joint effort to arm radical Islamic rebels in Syria to overthrow Assad's government by 2011-2012 (unfortunately, no more cables after Feb 2010).

Some conclusions:
(1) The Jackrabbit vs. Circe (and supporters) argument about Trump being this or that is irrelevant; this is a Deep State cooperation dating back to 1975 and supported wholeheartedly by every US President since and as b's post shows, continues under Trump. Unfortunately, it looks like Trump will be continuing Bush-Obama policies in the Middle East, almost unchanged.
(2) This is not a "Zionist operation", as Circe continues to claim over and over again, it's much more about oil money and weapons sales and preventing a transition to independent nationalism in Saudi Arabia.The above links and documents should be evidence enough of that.
(3) Given the fear the Saudis have of domestic terrorists (takfiri Wahhabists) in their own country destroying their oil infrastructure, it's absolutely clear that an attack on Iran (which would result in devastating Iranian attacks on Saudi infrastructure) is not in the cards.
(4) Under Trump, as under Obama, the US will continue its long downhill slide into USSR-like conditions due to bloated military budgets and internal corruption, with increasing wealth gaps and widespread poverty growing more pervasive.

Posted by: nonsense factory | Feb 12 2017 20:30 utc | 104

@ Posted by: nonsense factory | Feb 12, 2017 3:30:45 PM | 103

Thank you kindly for the considerable effort involved & an outstanding contribution.

Definitely a, 'No'-nonsense factory ;)

Posted by: Outraged | Feb 12 2017 21:01 utc | 105

@103, Sure thing. Of course b's work is what motivates me to do this, plus I like digging into the history, since those State Department cables are refreshingly straightforward and honest (*not a single mention of "human rights" concerns, ever! - even if that is the central PR theme State Department spokespeople spew out in their press conferences).

I notice also Trump gave neocon Elliot Abrams the thumbs-down, that's the best news of the week on government politics.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/10/politics/elliott-abrams-trump-state-department-tillerson/index.html

Tillerson tried to convince Trump to make Abrams his deputy despite the criticism because he felt he needed his foreign policy experience, according to multiple sources. White House Chief of Staff Reince Priebus and senior adviser Jared Kushner also strongly supported Abrams and urged Trump to reconsider, the sources said.

Trump has a streak of Bull in a China Shop, as the Deep State establishment feared. He's also got a Nixonian "enemy's list" mentality and has apparently has had the FBI restart COINTELPRO-like investigations into Dakota Access Pipeline protesters. Perhaps the best take I've seen on it, which raises the issue of the Federal Reserve and interest rates.
from stormcloudsgathering
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MmfCX2H7N8
Also, RT's "The Kaiser Report" talks about what might happen under Trump with interest rates:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vgdVSszfSo

Posted by: nonsense factory | Feb 12 2017 21:21 utc | 106

Circe says:

I don’t believe the Russians leaked the DNC emails. However, I believe it was done by someone on behalf of the deep state who wanted Trump to be President

you mean, like the three Aman brothers, Abid, Imran, and Jamal Awan?

Posted by: john | Feb 12 2017 21:21 utc | 107

23

Who are you talking to right now? Who is it you think you see?

Do you know how much Trump makes a year? I mean, even if Trump told you, you wouldn't believe it. Do you know what would happen if Trump suddenly decided to stop issuingn fatwahs? A war and crooked finance business big enough that it could be listed on the NASDAQ goes belly up. Disappears! It ceases to exist without Trump.

No, you clearly don't know who you're talking about, so let me clue you in. Trump is not being gamed, Skyler. Trump IS the game! Yemen has oil and gets bombed, and you think that of KSA Royal? No. Trump is the one who bombs!

Here is the absolute inequivocable proof Trump is The Great Chess Gamer:

"Look, having nuclear—my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart—you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the smartest people anywhere in the world—it’s true!—but when you're a conservative Republican they try—oh, do they do a number—that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune—you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged—but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me—it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are (nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what's going to happen and he was right—who would have thought?), but when you look at what's going on with the four prisoners—now it used to be three, now it’s four—but when it was three and even now, I would have said it's all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don't, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years—but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us."

- President Donald J. Trump

We are so f'cked!!

Posted by: chipnik | Feb 12 2017 21:39 utc | 108

@ Posted by: nonsense factory | Feb 12, 2017 4:21:09 PM | 105

Of course the ascension of the House of Al-Saud and Wahhabism is an entirely UK production primarily from 1902 thru to 1932 with the creation of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, then handed off/over to the US post WWII.

Wouldn't be surprised if the secret history would entail a Saudi re-alignment post Yom Kippur war circa period '73-'75 with Israel (& the Shahs Iran(?)) as the price to be paid re the re-alignment with the US/MICC and avoidance of occupation/overthrow ... Iran under the Shah was at the time the most advanced and powerful military in the region and a totally suborned vassal with significant co-ordination/co-operation with the Israeli's (co-ordinated via CIA) ...

Faisal assassination, the change in internal KSA power politics and secret 'rapprochement' also coincides with similar events occurring re Egypt(Sadat) vs Israel post the Yom Kippur war of '73 ... KSA led oil embargo/US energy crisis in '73 as a result of direct US military aid to Israel during the war.

The follow-on of the events you highlight then led directly to the 1978 Camp David Accords, which then resulted in the Egypt–Israel Peace Treaty of '79, an Arab State re Israel first ... yet, the Iranian Revolution of '79 (Cuba Redux(?)) threw a spanner in the works of all the carefully laid geo-strategic plans ...

An early run, attempt, at the Project for the New American Century (PNAC), then re-launched commencing with 9/11, hm ?

@ Posted by: chipnik | Feb 12, 2017 4:39:10 PM | 107

Yes, well, you seem to have forgotten you already posted the exact same screed, verbatim, less the @23 lead-in, in the open thread ~4 hours ago, using one of your 'alternate' posting IDs ;(

Getting careless, spamming threads, hm ?

See: Posted by: Even More Outraged Ji | Feb 12, 2017 12:17:21 AM | 33

Posted by: Outraged | Feb 12 2017 22:26 utc | 109

nonsense factory @ 103: Great posting, thanks for all your research.

Posted by: ben | Feb 13 2017 0:31 utc | 110

The animosity of the USA towards Iran can stem from an unlikely cause: Yet it is the same cause that has made the Taliban a target for elimination.

Heroin and opium.

Iran spends a lot of energy and millions interdicting the transit of Heroin and opium through its territory. This is certainly not well seen by the drug lords. The Taliban too were a thorn in the side of these interests as they had reduced the culltivation of drug crops to practically nothing.

The net result of the US occupation in Afghanistan is that the production of opium and Heroin has soared to new heights. So, both the Taliban and Iran are a pain in the butt as they fight drug proliferation and traffic.

To anybody that would think drugs are not a factor, let´s remind them that China was conquered and the brits tried to take
Afghanistan just to get hold of drug sources and benefit from the immense wealth that can be derived from it. The Brits, Americans and French joined forces to force China into accepting opium freely,

Ultimately, the Elite has its hands in the business and the handsome profits it generates. It also wags the dog-

IMHO drugs are a factor in the West animosity towards Iran.

Posted by: CarlD | Feb 13 2017 1:47 utc | 111

nonsense factory @103

Great work digging that up. The historical perspective is important for anyone that wants to understand what is really going on.

There are many other documents and historical facts that one needs for a good understanding, especially relating to neocons. Neocon Bill Crystal, for example, just said that immigrants are more worthy than white Americans. A very neocon thing to say. And (obviously) very anti-Trump.

Your conclusions don't necessarily follow from the evidence, however. My comments:

(1) ... Jackrabbit vs. Circe (and supporters) argument[s] ... is irrelevant; this is a Deep State cooperation dating back to 1975 and supported wholeheartedly by every US President since ... Unfortunately, it looks like Trump will be continuing Bush-Obama policies in the Middle East, almost unchanged.

1. We don't yet know the full details of the award of this medal. The CIA is strangely mum about such a high-profile award and the new Director's involvement (as I noted @24). It could be that it was AWARDED by Brennan but PRESENTED by Pompeo (as I mused @43).

2. It's wrong to suggest that because nothing has changed that nothing will change. We don't need ME oil anymore. Allowing Israel & GCC to manipulate our foreign policy will lead to (more) futile wars that drain our resources (like Iraq);

3. Trump has been in office for a short time. It will take weeks before we confirm that he is turning the ship of state. And it will take years to make it happen. We still don't know what his "safe zones" are all about!

4. b is a keen observer and has noted CIA-Mil butting heads. So "Deep State" hides much that is going on behind the scenes.

5. A comparison to Circe is off-base. See my comments @83 and @92.

(2) This is not a "Zionist operation", as Circe continues to claim over and over again, it's much more about oil money and weapons sales and preventing a transition to independent nationalism in Saudi Arabia....

1. Yeah, in the US its mostly about commercial interests. That has caused US to be blind-sided Machiavellian ideologues (like neocons). The Israeli-Sunni alliance to influence US FP is ideological.

2. Many people regard 2001 as a discontinuity. Does the election of Trump mean that America has come to its senses? Should we wait to find out or support those that want to overthrow him ASAP?

(3) Given the fear the Saudis have of domestic terrorists (takfiri Wahhabists) in their own country destroying their oil infrastructure, it's absolutely clear that an attack on Iran (which would result in devastating Iranian attacks on Saudi infrastructure) is not in the cards.

That is a reasoned argument that doesn't apply to ideologues. IMO the Israel-Sunni/neocon Alliance see that their opportunity to manipulate US into a war against Iran is slipping away. This makes them desperate.

(4) Under Trump, as under Obama, the US will continue its long downhill slide into USSR-like conditions due to bloated military budgets and internal corruption, with increasing wealth gaps and widespread poverty growing more pervasive.

Trump's desire to force vassals to pay tribute/protection money and his aggressive trade moves may forestall this slide for a time. And if he can forge some kind of lasting peace, and thereby gain the necessary statue, he MAY be able to close bases and reduce the military budget.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Feb 13 2017 2:54 utc | 112

@89 sejmon.. did you even read my post @13? doesn't sound like it! as for your link that i ought to visit - crap site.. thanks, but no thanks..

@103 nonsense factory.. thanks.. ditto @104 outraged. informative, on topic and relevant..i agree with your 4 points, especially 2.. petrodollar exchange is driving so much of what is taking place here.. point 1, i am more in line with jr view - i l believe that circus is mostly irrelevant as jr states//

Posted by: james | Feb 13 2017 3:42 utc | 113

Got us back on topic?

Not for long ... fickle personalities will be back to rant. But, some of the above since my last post seem informative.

Thanks ... I guess.

Posted by: rg the lg | Feb 13 2017 5:09 utc | 114

nonsense factory @103

You may be interested in this article:

How the Trump regime was manufactured by a war inside the Deep State
A systemic crisis in the global Deep System has driven the violent radicalization of a Deep State faction
https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/how-the-trump-regime-was-manufactured-by-a-war-inside-the-deep-state-f9e757071c70#.7a204gu2g

Posted by: Krollchem | Feb 13 2017 7:21 utc | 115

"The medal, named after George Tenet,"..... sooooooo, the whole exercise must be a gigantic piss-take.

Obviously so, since handing out medals named after George Tenet has got to be the CIA's idea of a joke, since that's exactly what George "slam dunk!" Tenet was.

I mean - let's be honest here - Tenet doubled-down on stupid: not only did he *not* see 9/11 coming, but he *also* saw Iraqi WMD everywhere he looked. The man was uniquely incompetent, no question about it.

The CIA would only hand out such a medal because they know they aren't allowed to pin a note that says "Kick Me" on al-Saud's back.

The "George Tenet Medal" that commemorates Conspicuous Incompetence In Anti-Terrorism would have to do instead.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Feb 13 2017 9:57 utc | 116

The whole "George Tenet medal affair" is hysterical. I just visited his page on Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Tenet

George is now an investment banker. I have never heard of an award given out named for a living investment banker. To a Saudi princeling, no less.

Posted by: blues | Feb 13 2017 11:20 utc | 117

@115 yr

i think it's important to realize that the cia has nothing to do with 'intelligence' gathering. that's all a front for their terrorist / subversion operation ... 70 years old this 26 july. they 'make their own reality'. they have no interest in 'intelligence' other than in pursuit of their own operational aims. someone placed the charges at the wtc ... it may have been the cia. or it may have been the israelis. they may have kept the cia 'out of the loop' ... 'for their own good'. the israelis', that is.

the 'i' in cia is and has been a joke for the duration. its like the 'p' in prc since the chinese've looped back to the capitalist road.

a joke played on the world. suckers! especially their own respective populations.

Posted by: jfmxl | Feb 13 2017 11:55 utc | 118

hey, hey, d-j-t
kill the c-i-a!

you'll go down in his-tor-y
and earn your kicked-back pay!

saviour of human-i-ty,
every one will say:

"he freed us all from slave-r-y,
he served us all that day!"

Posted by: jfmxl | Feb 13 2017 12:09 utc | 119

@117 blues, 'George is now an investment banker'

the cia is wall street. wall street's private army. george is now a field marshall, retired.

old cia men never die ... wall street just fades 'em away.

Posted by: jfmxl | Feb 13 2017 12:13 utc | 120

blues 116
ha ha ha. Good point.
Then again, the medal is sort of like a customer loyalty card for all the FMS (Foreign Military Sales) revenue the Saudis generate with their purchases. Does this make the US somewhat subervient to Saudi (wahab/Sunni) goals in the region? Or do those goals simply run along with our own? I've seen the FMS thing keep parts of a Govt/contractor support operation going via TOW. At the time I sent coworkers articles about the Saudis buying hundreds of TOW missiles to be sent to Syria. Funny thing was that the replacement batteries were made in China. The sad part was knowing how they were being used to kill so many.

Posted by: Curtis | Feb 13 2017 14:27 utc | 121

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Feb 13, 2017 4:57:24 AM | 115
(Tenet Medal joke)

Here's hoping the Tenet Medal inspires the Swedes to create a special award for Bibi.
The Nobel Piece Prize.

Come to think of it, Cameron, Sarkozy and Obama probably qualify for a Piece Prize too after NATO wrecked Libya and made Libya's $1 Trillion++ Sovereign Wealth Fund and gold reserves vanish without explanation or apology.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 13 2017 14:37 utc | 122

hoarsewhisperer 121
As to robbing the Libyans, Nobel does have a prize in Economics. They could give that one to Goldman Sachs for being able to impoverish so many, get rich in the process, and get away with it.

Posted by: Curtis | Feb 13 2017 14:46 utc | 123

@124 And how..

Moreover, with an undefeated SAA and probable Russian/Iran mutual self defense alliance I can't see any realistic military success for the US should they take that road.Its all bluff..

Yemen unfortunately, is paying a heavy price for trying to be sovereign.

Posted by: Lozion | Feb 13 2017 17:18 utc | 124

24

"I come here to get insight, not Trump Derangement Syndrome."

I don't think it's insight you're looking for. I think it's validation. So views that align with yours are okay but the rest should be deleted ostensibly because they are nonsensical. You say that we all should accept that Trump's presidency is a net positive and shouldn't natter on about how that might not be so.

You say that attacking Iran might hurt Trump's popularity. No shit. In spite of any claims the US makes, Iran is 100% capable of shutting down the Straits of Hormuz. Iran has been preparing for war ever since Bush43 labeled them a member of the Axis of Evil. There's also the fact that they are an ally of Russia and the Russians have a far better record of sticking by their allies than the US does. But you are probably right about Trump's intentions because Iran has fired off more missiles since his ultimatum and new sanctions without any US response. Maybe Trump's too busy worrying about how to deal with North Korea.

Trump should let the EU fail? How does he do that, wave his magic wand? He's a powerful man but lets get real.

So Trump's travel ban is a message to the Saudis and Pakistan, like he's some kind of guru that speaks in riddles. Why not just list them in the ban? That might get their attention if his subtlety is lost on them. This isn't the first time that ersatz theory has emerged on this board.

Then, you summarize the Syrian War situation in two sentences that have Russia, Turkey, Assad and the US all on the same page. People who don't see this are just "annoying". Ban them all. That's sound reasoning? Gimme a fucking break.

Posted by: peter | Feb 13 2017 18:25 utc | 125

Damn, b, what happened to the bar? I don't give a rat's ass about Circe or the anti-Circe movement, but this is probably the lowest thread I've ever seen here. Lot's of noise but little substance. Your articles deserve a better crowd. Later.

Posted by: stumpy | Feb 15 2017 6:52 utc | 126

the victims of 9/11 will love this gold medal

Posted by: cheikh | Feb 16 2017 18:06 utc | 127

Washington Post has a new story on Flynn upL Flynn in FBI interview denied discussing sanctions with Russian ambassador. Their source? Unnamed "current and former U.S. officials".

Posted by: lysias | Feb 16 2017 22:34 utc | 128