Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
January 3, 2017
U.S./UK Paid “White Helmets” Help Blocking Water To 5 Million Thirsty Syrians

The blockade of water from Wadi Barada to 5 million people in Damascus is taking an interesting turn. The U.S. and UK financed White Helmet organization seems to be directly involved in it. This increases the suspicion that the illegal blockade of water to civilians in Damascus is part of a organized campaign under U.S. command. The campaign is designed to block utilities to government held areas as revenge for the liberation of east Aleppo.

As we described it yesterday:

After the eastern part of the city of Aleppo was liberated by Syrian government forces, the local rebels and inhabitants in the Barada river valley were willing to reconcile with the Syrian government. But the al-Qaeda Takfiris disagreed and took over. The area is since under full al-Qaeda control and thereby outside of the recent ceasefire agreement.

On December 22 the water supply to Damascus was suddenly contaminated with diesel fuel and no longer consumable. A day later Syrian government forces started an operation to regain the area and to reconstitute the water supplies.

Photos and a video on social media (since inaccessible but I saw them when they appeared) showed the water treatment facility rigged with explosives. On Dec 27th the facility was blown up and partly destroyed.

The Syrian government is ready to send repair teams to rehabilitate the water flow to the millions of civilians in Damascus. But access to the site is denied and the Syrian army is now trying to push al-Qaeda and its allies away from it.

Curiously some "civil" groups today offered access under several (not agreeable) conditions:

Hassan Ridha @sayed_ridha – 2:10 AM – 3 Jan 2017

Wadi Barada statement: we will let teams to fix water spring if SAA-Hezb stop attack, siege lift & monitor ceasefire by intl observers
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EHSANI2 @EHSANI22 – 6:43 AM – 3 Jan 2017

Offer by opposition to trade access to water source for #Damascus with halting of military operations by army
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Here is the attachment to both tweets. Note who signed it:


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Check the logos of the undersigning organizations You will probably recognize the middle one in the second row. Here it is magnified.

And here is the original of that logo taken directly from the website of the Syrian Civil Defense organization aka The White Helmets:

The organizations who make an offer to lift the water blockade of Damascus obviously think they have the power to do so. They then must also be held responsible for keeping the blockade up. They must also have intimate relations with the al-Qaeda fighters who currently occupy the damaged water facilities.

The U.S. and UK government created and paid White Helmets are "impartially", "neutrally" and "for all Syrians" blocking the water supply to 5 million Syrians in Damascus. U.S. military and CIA officers run the "operations rooms" in Jordan and Turkey that direct the insurgency.

This increases suspicion that the blockade is part of an organized response by the enemies of Syria to the recent liberation of east-Aleppo. As noted yesterday:

This shut down is part of a wider, seemingly coordinated strategy to deprive all government held areas of utility supplies. Two days ago the Islamic State shut down a major water intake for Aleppo from the Euphrates. High voltage electricity masts of lines feeding Damascus have been destroyed and repair teams, unlike before, denied access. Gas supplies to parts of Damascus are also cut.

Even after 14 days of water crisis in Damascus the "western" media are not reporting about the al-Qaeda blockade of water for 5 million Syrians. We can be sure that not a word will be written by them about this illegal hostages taking of millions of civilians in Damascus by their favorite propaganda organization White Helmets.

Comments

@ Louis Proyect
All very simple. Anything resembling a genuine uprising has been long hijacked by many foreign elements, therefore the choice for Syria is a binary one – Sharia rule by headchopper or secular rule under Assad. It’s advisable not to engage here if you cannot grasp this logic.

Posted by: MadMax2 | Jan 5 2017 0:34 utc | 101

Louis Proyect | Jan 4, 2017 6:36:17 PM | 100
Try this link. Comment 55 from a previous thread.
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2016/12/master-judoka-putin-outclasses-lame-duck-obama.html#c6a00d8341c640e53ef01b7c8c22711970b

Posted by: Peter AU | Jan 5 2017 0:40 utc | 102

Paveway 95
I run onto the bellingcrap report at Eligah Magnier’s twitter account this morning. I looked at the same thing, no pumps visible anywhere in pics, apart from the obvious as why anyone would install pumps to pump water downhill. No pumps, no diesel contaminating the water from bombing …BUT… all media including AL-Masdar news talking about pumps. Nobody doing any checking?

Posted by: Peter AU | Jan 5 2017 0:57 utc | 103

Any Syrian that did not side with the rebels in 2011 has no heart. Any Syrian that was still siding with the rebels by 2013 has no soul.
If nothing else, the failing U.S. regime-change scheme had at least one positive side-benefit for most of the Syrian people: they are now mostly unified against a common enemy – the U.S./GCC and the thugs we sent there to destroy their country. Russia and Iran standing up for them against the big U.S. bully will also yield dividends for a very long time.
I should thank the Syrians and Russians for exposing the abject psychopaths that run my country, but I think the one million dead Iraqis already drove that point home pretty well. Syria was the defining moment for exposing western MSM as the hypocritical sycophants they are and the contemptuous propaganda tool it has always been.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Jan 5 2017 1:09 utc | 104

Peter AU@106 The MSM fact-checking? Don’t they just use Snopes for that? Besides, if SOHR says it (from his dining room/corporate office, then who is the MSM to question it?

Posted by: PavewayIV | Jan 5 2017 1:13 utc | 105

lysias@102 – You forgot to use the future tense: Trump plans on doing what they prevented JFK from doing. ‘They’ probably have plans of their own.
Who’s that old blind lady prophet from Eastern Europe – Baba Ganoush or something like that. She predicted that Obama will be the last U.S. president (then the CIA bastards took her out).
I think she also predicted Europe would cease to exist by 2017. Damn, b… there goes MoA!

Posted by: PavewayIV | Jan 5 2017 1:24 utc | 106

@PavewayIV #107:
Syria was the defining moment for exposing western MSM as the hypocritical sycophants they are and the contemptuous propaganda tool it has always been.
Indeed. For me personally it was Ukraine, but then, I have special interest in that. I think that what made Syria the defining moment was that we were told that everything changed on 9/11 because Islamic terrorism is the greatest threat ever, and then, in Syria, the US started supporting Islamic terrorists. That was so blatant that the corporate media couldn’t hide it from the people. On Breitbart, I would guess 80–90% of the readers believe that USG supports Al Qaeda and ISIS in Syria, which means that too much of a percentage of the US public has figured out that we are being lied to for the current information regime to be sustainable.
But what I wanted to post about before I saw your comment was this:
I don’t know if anyone’s mentioned it before, but Hannity’s interview with Assange is fascinating. It’s a strange world we live in when you have to watch Fox News to get a dose of televised sanity and truthfulness about current events.
Political inversion and realignment are memes that one is seeing a lot now on Twitter. Justin Raimondo noted that Trump and Bernie voters are the anti-CIA people now.

Posted by: Adalbrand | Jan 5 2017 1:35 utc | 107

Paveyway 108, Its not only western MSM. All news. Looks like even pro Syrian news got suckered on this one.

Posted by: Peter AU | Jan 5 2017 1:37 utc | 108

One thing I get from that interview with Assange is that if there is one thing Trump must do as POTUS, it is to get the Justice Department to drop its investigation of Wikileaks. This Obama fascism has to end.

Posted by: Adalbrand | Jan 5 2017 2:02 utc | 109

The CIA is not, and has not been for many decades, just a bunch of spies.
It is a nation unto itself. It governs itself, it has its own foreign policies, its own military, its own revenue sources. (The billions that we hapless taxpayers pony up every two years go for booze, drugs and hookers.)
It is utterly and completely out of control, and hundreds of thousands, if not millions of innocents suffer because of their lunatic and sadistic rampages.
Time indeed for somebody to take them down. If that somebody has to be the scatterbrained ignoramus headed for the White House, well then so be it.

Posted by: AntiSpin | Jan 5 2017 2:15 utc | 110

Adalbrand “strange world we live in when you have to watch Fox News to get a dose of televised sanity and truthfulness about current events.”
Watch Murdock. He will go where the grass is greenest. Murdoch seems to be backing Trump. Also backed Brexit.
Not sure what Murdochs game is at the moment. Very pro Israel. Maybe that is why he is supporting Trump?

Posted by: Peter AU | Jan 5 2017 2:15 utc | 111

I am wondering, Adalbrand, if you would consider Kissinger, old as he is, to represent the opinions of the Deep State. I say this well aware of his longstanding involvement reaching back before even the Nixon era, and also in light of his visit and comments on US attitudes towards the Russian state, which are of a more positive nature.
Knowing the negative aspects of his long career, one might be very wary of a detente between Kissinger and Putin to the latter’s discredit; but also knowing that Putin is ready to talk to anyone who is willing to dialogue rather than threaten, this might be seen as a positive element in many ways.
I am reminded of the respect Allied forces had during the North Africa campaign of the second World War for The Desert Fox of Hitler’s forces, Rommel. I know this because my father, who fought there, had this attitude. Perhaps it’s an oldfashioned and romantic view of a villainous career; I am conflicted, I have to admit. I just fervently desire some rapprochement to be possible.

Posted by: juliania | Jan 5 2017 2:48 utc | 112

juliania 115
Kissinger is a chess player, not a pigeon that craps on the board. A pragmatist. He has been brought back into play to try and pull the US chestnuts out of the fire.
I think Kissinger has met his match.

Posted by: Peter AU | Jan 5 2017 3:05 utc | 113

Adalbrand 82
PavewayIV 86
james 94
karlof1 97
Pentagoon’s tactics of punishing the civilians have two objectives.
In Iraq [pre invasion], ex Yugo , Syria etc its to galvanise an uprising by the long suffering populace to oust their govn,
In Nam, Iraq [post invasion] etc.., its to deprive ‘insurgents’ of sanctuary amongst the people, they called it ‘draining the pond to kill the frogs’ !
* According to a 1999 Pulitzer Prize winning series by Associated Press, it was the official policy of the U.S. military to fire on South Korean civilians during the Korean War. U.S. bombing also obliterated virtually every civilian target in North Korea.
* In Vietnam, civilians living in “free fire zones”—most of the country—were considered valid targets, and civilians were overwhelmingly the victims of bombing during the Indochina war. Then National Security Advisor Henry Kissinger instructed the U.S. Air Force to bomb “anything that moved” in Cambodia. > >From 1967 to 1970, the “Phoenix Program” assassinated some 60,000 to 70,000 civilians in South Vietnam. A U.S. Congressional study found that the Program “appears to have violated the 1948 Geneva Conventions for the protection of civilians.[sic]”
* Bombing attacks in the first Gulf War and the Kosovo War, systematically targeted power plants and grids, railway stations, refineries, communication networks, sewerage treatment facilities, and water purification plants, in spite of Article 54 of the Geneva Conventions which prohibits attacking any objectives “indispensable to the survival of the civilian population.”
One could even make a case that the use of hundreds of tons of Depleted Uranium Ammunition (DUA) in Kosovo and the two Gulf wars constitutes a war crime. The Conventions clearly require the victorious party to assume responsibility for the conquered civilian opulation and to clean up the chaos of war. DUA has poisoned water supplies in Iraq, parts of Kuwait, and Yugoslavia, and birth defects and cancer incidences are far higher in areas where DUA was used. The U.S., however, claims that DUA poses no potential health risks,therefore it doesn’t have to remove the low- level radioactive debris.
From the horse mouth…
In the same article, the Times also quoted a “senior Bush Administration official” as saying that the bombing was helpful for exploiting “fault lines” in Falluja, and that it would push the “citizenry” of Falluja to deny sanctuary and assistance to the insurgents, “adding “that’s a good thing.”
A “Pentagon official” also told the Times: “If there are civilians dying in connection with these attacks, and with the destruction, the locals at some point have to make a decision. Do they want to harbor the insurgents and suffer the consequences that come with that?”
There’r enough evidences here to put the unitedsnake in the world court for myriad crimes against humanities.
Where’s the ICC, the UNHRC, the assorted murkkan NGO when you need them ???
http://tinyurl.com/gqhe88e

Posted by: denk | Jan 5 2017 3:25 utc | 114

@juliania #115:
I am wondering, Adalbrand, if you would consider Kissinger, old as he is, to represent the opinions of the Deep State.
Peter AU #116:
Kissinger … has been brought back into play to try and pull the US chestnuts out of the fire.
I agree with Peter. The US deep state was hijacked by overreaching fanatics called neocons, and now it is trying to purge itself. Kissinger understands the concept of “balance of power”. Neocons thought that was over and done with. I read somewhere that after the USSR collapsed, the US stopped training people entering foreign policy careers to understand international relations from a realist perspective, so I guess the deep state does need to bring back some really old but well known figure like Kissinger into play.
I used to single out kissenger as a war criminal, but really, he is no greater a war criminal than Bush, Obama, or Hillary. Kissinger didn’t start the Vietnam War; he ended it. It doesn’t even enter into the imaginations of people like Bush or Obama to consider stopping the wars they started. (Note: I used to hate Kissinger, but I read recently that the Russians let him into an academic society of theirs, so, with my Russian hive mind, I stopped hating him. I only realized that this moment.)
I read that Kissinger offered Putin a deal: the US under Trump will recognize that Crimea is part of Russia, if Russia stops supporting the Ukrainian freedom fighters. That makes me think that the realistic elements in the Deep State may be worried about losing the Ukraine, the sole purpose of the existence of which is to be a thorn in the side of Russia. But i have no doubt that Putin would not take such a deal. Russians play the long game.
Demian is now known as Adalbrand

Posted by: Adalbrand | Jan 5 2017 3:35 utc | 115

Thank you PeterAU and Adalbrand for responding to my query. And thanks to b and to Paveway IV for detailing this attack on the water supply to Damascus. I am remembering, somewhat vaguely, that the ‘barbarians’ were able to attack aquaducts in accomplishing the sack of Rome, so it’s also a tactic used by invaders with some success, though here the dynamics are different as has been pointed out.
Very interesting thread, thanks to all.

Posted by: juliania | Jan 5 2017 4:01 utc | 116

As is his usual custom here at MoA and over at Off-Guardian.org, the troll known as Louis Proyect displays his ignorance of post-2000 Syrian politics and economy by dredging up stereotypes about Bashar al Assad following in his father’s footsteps and amassing wealth for himself and his family without offering any evidence, in order to discredit MoA, Off-Guardian.org and their commenters.
Proyect deliberate ignores the fact that in his early years as leader, Assad did rely on one Abduallah Dardari for economic advice. Dardari was the one who pushed for following IMF and World Bank advice on economic liberalisation. This at a time when Iraqi refugees were pouring into Syria and straining the country’s ability to cope with them, at the same time that economic liberalisation was threatening the livelihoods of farmers and shepherds.
Ghadi Francis “Dardari: The Trojan Horse of Neoliberal Syria” (Al Akhbar)
http://english.al-akhbar.com/node/2097
Since early 2011, the Syrian government has put a brake on neoliberal economic “reforms” and has reasserted some control over the economy.
Dr Linda Matar “Syria’s Economic Crisis. Al Assad Government Roles (sic) Back Neoliberal Reforms” (Global Research)
http://www.globalresearch.ca/syria-s-economic-crisis-al-assad-government-roles-back-neoliberal-reforms/32363
Instead the government carried out political reforms that were approved by the Syrian public via a referendum held in 2012. The political reforms removed the Ba’ath Party as the leading party in Syria and gave the country a parliamentary structure of government.
Kristian Girling “Popular representation and democracy in Syria – end of `Alawite dictatorship’? (Oriental Review)
http://orientalreview.org/2016/04/27/popular-representation-and-democracy-in-syria-end-of-alawite-dictatorship/

Posted by: Jen | Jan 5 2017 11:16 utc | 117

It is curious that even the International Russian Media are also not saying much about this incident.

Posted by: Steve | Jan 5 2017 13:12 utc | 118

Peter AU @116:
>> Kissinger is a chess player, not a pigeon that craps on the board. A pragmatist.
Your reference is to Putin’s (rumored) description of Obama’s negotiating style. The full phrase is:

“Negotiating with Obama is like playing chess with a pigeon. The pigeon knocks over all the pieces, shits on the board and then struts around like it won the game.”

Kissinger and Obama are similar in the pretenses that they maintain (with help of an adoring media). They both have cultivated the perception of being a “realist” but each play ‘good cop’ for the neocons. Kissinger’s mealy-mouthed, academic phrasing – almost always focused on “world order” – masks a clear preference for the Empire.
An example of this is Kissinger’s WSJ Op-Ed after the Donbas rebels beat back Ukrainian forces (which I regard as the ‘Declaration of War’ for Cold War II), when he wrote:

A world order of states affirming individual dignity and participatory governance, and cooperating internationally in accordance with agreed-upon rules, can be our hope and should be our inspiration. But progress toward it will need to be sustained through a series of intermediary stages.
[In other words: Not yet, suckers!].
… the affirmation of America’s exceptional nature must be sustained. History offers no respite to countries that set aside their sense of identity in favor of a seemingly less arduous course.
[Viva la Empire!] But [sic] nor does it assure success for the most elevated convictions in the absence of a comprehensive geopolitical strategy.
[We’ll get there in our own way and our own time.]

>> He has been brought back into play to try and pull the US chestnuts out of the fire.
He never left. He has become more involved only because it’s a trying time for his precious Empire.
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Adalbrand @118:
>> … The US deep state was hijacked by overreaching fanatics called neocons, and now it is trying to purge itself.
It appears to be one Deep State faction vs another. Coup vs. Counter-coup. Flynn vs. Clapper-Brennan.
>> Kissinger understands the concept of “balance of power”.
He may understand it but I don’t think he believes in it. Did you read my comment @47? Kissinger’s desire for “continuity” is the tell.
>> I read somewhere that after the USSR collapsed, the US stopped training people entering foreign policy careers to understand international relations from a realist perspective …
This greatly underestimates the severity of the problem. Neocon’s have ‘stacked the deck’ so that only neocons get to the highest, decision-making levels. Universities have conformed to this ‘reality’.
>> … so I guess the deep state does need to bring back some really old but well known figure like Kissinger into play.
He never left.
Also, you have:

1) mistakenly used “Deep State” without qualification (it is one faction against another), and
2) assumed that Kissinger is on the realist (pro-Trump) side – he is NOT. (Please see my comment @47.)

>> … Kissinger didn’t start the Vietnam War; he ended it….
Millions Died Because Kissinger Prolonged the Vietnam War for Years After Betraying Peace Treaty
>> I read that Kissinger offered Putin a deal …
I doubt Kissinger “offered” anything. He is a middle-man who explores what’s possible and brings the principles to the table.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 5 2017 16:46 utc | 119

@117 denk.. good questions at the end.. it appears they are all just extensions of the usa’s foreign interventionist policy, under the guise of humanitarianism..
@121 steve.. good question.. actually if the western msm and outlets like rt aren’t discussing it, why is that?

Posted by: james | Jan 5 2017 17:04 utc | 120

FAIR reports on US/UK media’s bised reporting on Aleppo
http://fair.org/home/in-syria-western-media-cheer-al-qaeda/

Posted by: Les | Jan 5 2017 17:04 utc | 121

Say this mysterious “operations room” in Amman were to be bombed by someone’s air force, purely accidentally of course?
No, but bad “jokes” aside, I wonder why Syria doesn’t have a tighter grip on its Jordanian border. The only proper crossing seems to be the one near Jaber as-Sirhan. It looks like that’s really the only place where you have a firm road connecting Syria to Jordan.

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Jan 5 2017 18:38 utc | 122

follow-up @122
For those who may wonder why I regard Kissinger’s WSJ Op-Ed as the Declaration of War for Cold War II:

1) Kissinger is widely considered the ‘Dean’ (longest serving member) of the US/Western foreign policy establishment. He knows and talks with a wide variety of powerful FP people.
2) Kissinger had made a plea (four months prior) that the US and Russia consider the “least worst” outcome wrt the Donbas. Although hailed by Western press as wise advice from a ‘realist’, this was basically a veiled threat aimed at dissuading the Russians from supporting the Donbas rebels.
The Op-Ed makes good on this threat as notice of a fundamental change in relations (aka Cold War II).
3) Not only is Kissinger following up on the prior threat, but he addresses the core issue that Putin has raised: the breakdown of the sovereign system that underpinned the post-war world order.
Kissinger fundamentally rejects that order while essentially affirming US as the exceptional! hegemonic leader of a NWO. Kissinger allows for some accommodation (undefined) during a period of adjustment.
4) Within weeks after Kissinger’s Op-Ed, the US was seeking to place sanctions on Russia and the rhetoric against Russia increased noticeably.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 5 2017 19:04 utc | 123

Latest Vanessa Beeley from Aleppo, Syria.
UK Column News – 5th January 2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNdTM5WvrW8
Published on Jan 5, 2017
Mike Robinson and Vanessa Beeley discuss the latest news from Syria, including a critique of continuing mainstream media coverage, witness testimony from Aleppo and the disruption of water supplied to five million people in Damascus.
https://www.channel4.com/news/aleppo-syrian-mp-fares-shehabi

Posted by: The Original Jack Smith | Jan 5 2017 19:15 utc | 124

@82 Adalbrand
“You can write a book on this, and I wonder if somebody has”
Turns out someone has, sort of… it’s called “Rogue State – A Guide to the World’s Only Superpower” by William Blum
In early 2014, after the Ukraine coup, RT’s program called “Truthseeker” (oddly enough) did an episode using material from the book, which is what interested me in it in the first place
RT : Leaked US Regime Change Manual, Admits Ukraine’s its ‘Playbook’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe1Gh06WxwA
Definitely worth a look-see…

Posted by: xLemming | Jan 5 2017 19:42 utc | 125

@ Scotch Bingeington | Jan 5, 2017 1:38:00 PM | 125
I wonder why Syria doesn’t have a tighter grip on its Jordanian border.
Extremely limited and highly over-stretched military resources, primarily manpower and critically, chronically insufficient logistics train/infrastructure/supplies to properly support each & every disparate area of operations throughout the entire country.
Syria is splintered, under attack from within & throughout the state and from without, has lost control of its borders and has to absolutely ruthlessly prioritize its military operations … and constantly react, re-adjust and re-prioritize in response to the dynamic ongoing operations/actions of its adversaries.
He who would defend everything, Defends nothin’ !, – Sun Tzu

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 5 2017 19:47 utc | 126

pw “Any Syrian that did not side with the rebels in 2011 has no heart”
that’s a bit too short
any Syrian who had a brain in the period Feb-June 2011 could see that some people intended to make any revolt an armed one; some demonstrations were legal well into May 2011
any Syrian who had a brain could see that the Gulf was playing a vicious game and that Qatar had already started to suport the Muslim Brothers anywhere they could be found. In the case of Syria they could be found not openly among expats (1st and 2nd generations who were very active on the internet) but also inside the country, ppl usually well-connected to Turkey, and among the Palestinians who were close to Hamas.
any Syrian who had traveled elsewhere in the Arab world knew that the situation in Syria was not as bad as depicted in Western media and certainly better off than most other countries in the arab league: food was cheaper, water was available, education too, gender equality was higher than in most Arab countries.

Posted by: Mina | Jan 5 2017 19:53 utc | 127

Any Syrian who had a brain in 2011 knows you don’t start a revolution when half a dozen neighboring countries are either at war (600 km of border with Iraq) or in a revolutionary process

Posted by: Mina | Jan 5 2017 21:47 utc | 128

@ Outraged | Jan 5, 2017 2:47:56 PM | 129
Certainly see your point.
Had a look at the map and that made me realise my question was completely beside the point, since the legit Syrian authorities don’t even have access to that part of the border. “FSA” territory, apparently.
I also learned that Jordan has firmly sealed the border on their side half a year ago. So apparently, they’re letting fighters and equipment in at will, but at the same time are leaving some 10K Syrian refugees stranded and wasting away in the desert in no man’s land. A real feat on their part. God, this whole war is so disgusting.

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Jan 5 2017 23:02 utc | 129

Mina@130 – I’m thinking of some average Syrian working people frustrated with their government, not the intelligentsia tuned in to the international cabal scheming to take over and destroy Syria. That’s me projecting as an American, though. Most of the U.S. would be oblivious to outside agents if the same thing happened here. Well, except for Russia because CNN and NYT would identify them as the perpetrators no matter who was behind it.
Maybe the ‘average’ Syrians were far more aware of outside influences than I give them credit for. I just have a hard time thinking so many including SAA soldiers and officers would switch sides if they thought all along that it was all a giant U.S./Saudi scheme to take over their country.
Surely there must have been *some* original protesters/rebels with pure hearts honestly trying to reform Syria after having lost all faith in the existing political process. To say that they never existed would just be another knife in their heart after watching their efforts being hijacked by psychos. To their credit, what I understand as a substantial number of rebels did switch back to the government side to defend their country when they saw what was happening to the revolution. I can’t buy the extreme (that seems to be pretty popular) that ALL Syrian rebels were stupid, naive pawns of foreign powers, were jihadis themselves or were simply evil opportunists looking to be part of the winning side.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Jan 6 2017 6:23 utc | 130

I don’t say there were no demos and I don’t say there were no army guys or intelligence guys who gave strong orders (see Fisk interview, these guys would have crushed it heavier, but as usual Bashar was too mild in their opinion).
There were small demos, and the genereal opinion would never had reached 51% against Bashar. Average frustrated workers I know who demonstrated were actually people (a grad student who got a job pampered for him at a gov institution when he returned from his phd abroad, as hundreds from the middle class like him), and a shop owner whose sole problem was that in the end, Damascus will never be able to host as many tourists the large Syrian (shop-owners) families need for their mighty consumerist fantasies, were actually really spoiled compared to the doomed fate of the middle class almost everywhere in the capitalistic ‘free’ world, where their sole prospective of a better future would have to start with a bs job at macdo or starbucks
These people could see from themselves that in certain areas where Sunni are hardcore (Idlib, Maarat al Numan), it would not go mildly (+the always risky ‘turn against the Christians’), and there was a turning point maybe in june 2011 when it started to be obvious that the unique demos which gathered “more people” had to put together a monster made of the very small elite who by then used FB, i.e. with family connections in English speaking countries usually and the Muslim Brothers, who had just been waiting to pop out of the box. And the MB did think -rightly-, seeing Qatar and Turkey supporting the revolts in Egypt, Tunisia, Yemen, that the needed help who come to them too -and they knew damn well thay Bashar was part of the ‘axis of evil’ and that the west wouldn’t give him a chance.
When you say ” so many including SAA soldiers and officers would switch sides if they thought all along that it was all a giant U.S./Saudi scheme to take over their country. ” that’s precisely the opposite. The prospect of juicy salaries is rule number 1 for guys who are caring usually not only for a family but for a very huge ‘clan’.
Plus if you check the news, for November December 2010, you ll see that the biggest demos were in Oman and Iraq. By March 2011 and the Syrian demos -which came in a series of FB calls for demos named “the friday of” which started in Egypt, and had Syria just one week before or after Morocco, Algeria etc- people who were actually politically concerned would have know from the Oman/Iraq/bahrein examples that not everyone is allowed to revolt.
These people have also failed at every moment of the Syrian protests to produce any sign of political intelligence (that would take into account the neighbouring countries as part of the geopolitics of their own country) in the form of political leaflets, significant posts etc. (check joshualandis website and posts for the 2011 period, he interviewed most of the vocal internet leaders-in-exile and some people inside. With the exception of Michel Kilo (who was very cautious at the beginning and was always backsided by the MB afterwards) their ‘ideas’ are.. ludicrous or just scary.

Posted by: Mina | Jan 6 2017 10:10 utc | 131

Mina@134 – Thanks, that’s certainly an education for me. I hadn’t followed Syria at all back then so I was piecing together many other’s impressions relayed much later. They obviously held an overly-romanticized view of the uprising. I had never heard of MoA at the time and didn’t follow any alternative news sites, and I’m probably mixing in fragments of whatever propaganda the MSM was spewing at the time. The ‘little people rising up against the repressive dictator’ always plays well in the U.S., and I’m as guilty of swallowing that lie back then as any.
The East Ghouta CW false flag was when I really started to pay attention to Syria. By then, even a dimwit like me could see what was going on.
The demonization of Assad always seemed pretty weak though – it’s difficult to compare Assad’s (supposed) actions with those of U.S. leaders and find much difference. We don’t have Air Force Intelligence driving around rounding people up – yet. But we have plenty of extrajudicial killings, torture, etc. that I just don’t see morally/materially different than anything the Syrian state did. Killing a million Iraqis certainly tops anything Assad has done.
And it’s pretty clear – now – that the U.S. regime-change schemes always have a period of time beforehand where our operatives are busy creating a real sense of siege mentality and paranoia in the targeted leader prompting (or at least contributing to) a more severe crackdown on their own people. I don’t know what or how much of that was done in Syria, but Assad knew. The U.S. did the same thing to Saddam Hussein and were working on Gaddafi at the time.
Thanks for your reply.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Jan 6 2017 12:39 utc | 132

@ PavewayIV | Jan 6, 2017 7:39:12 AM | 135
You sell yourself short. re setting the scene and creating the write ‘environment’, moving all the peices on the board into place, preparatory to … until given the final approval to – proceed … indeed.
You may not recall, but Syria was widely highly praised and touted in the MSM for being a contributor to the the ‘Coalition of the Willing'(?) re the First Gulf War Iraq invasion (Desert Shield/Storm). Contributed a Syrian Army Armored Division.
Then president Hafaz Assad was quite keen, after all we’d been prodding Saddam for years to have his goons try and kill Assad for us … Syria provided very valuable HUMINT before, during and afterwards right up until the regime change OP commenced. Syria was never an angel, they ran an enhanced interrogation black site for us … again until events preceding … we regularly sent ‘high value targets’ to be processed and lesser value ‘unlawful combatants'(sic) to be … disappeared …
having said all that, that was 5-25+ years ago … and Syria has never truly been the outrageously contrived Evil™ Boogeyman™ cartoonishly(sic) painted in the MSM … they’ve come a long way from the old days …

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 6 2017 13:10 utc | 133

Recommended reading – How to conduct a Coup/Regime change – declassified docu:

The Secret CIA History of the Iran Coup, 1953 – National Security Archive
The Secret CIA History of the Iran Coup, 1953
CIA and Assassinations: The Guatemala 1954 Coup – National Security Archive
The infamous 1954 coup in Guatemala
JFK and the Diem Coup (Sth Vietnam), 1963 – National Security Archive
JFK tape details high-level Vietnam coup plotting in 1963

Turn the page & move on, Look forwards, not backwards, and forget … forget … forget …
Same as it ever was …

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 6 2017 13:29 utc | 134

The air intelligence was never shooting at random citizens, unlike the US guys in Iraq.
In the Gulf or Yemen however, people are afraid for their daughters, who might be kidnapped on the street by any kind of sick prince and never be heard of again.
To restore the context, there was of course the heavy pressure preceding 2011 on the Hariri case. Either the Asad family played a part in it and the ‘frustrated middle class’ should have known they would just not surrender or they don’t have a role in it and the west in entirely to blame for the plot.

Posted by: Mina | Jan 6 2017 14:41 utc | 135

@ Mina | Jan 6, 2017 9:41:01 AM | 138
Quite. Kidnapping off the street and from outside schools didn’t end with the deaths of sadaam’s sons, and was and has by no means been limited only to them … nor onlt Iraqs former authoritariam regime …
thank you, yes, forgotten about the Hariri manufactured and contrived investigation to punish Syria nd Hezbollah.
May I ask your opinion/thoughts take ? If you perceive this to be legitimate or possibly contrived ? troubles me … NYT (Pravda!) concerned(?) for womens rights in SA … just like the concerted faux concern for same in Afghanistan to justify Empires actions … I’ve been seeing possible indicators of more and more ground work being done re setting the seen, tangentially supporting/justification for possible covert action re the House of Al-Saud:

Women Defy Saudi Restrictions in Video, Striking a Nerve
By MEGAN SPECIAJAN. 5, 2017
Three women in black niqabs covering their hair and faces skateboard down a street, their scarves and colorful dresses flowing behind them. A catchy tune with provocative lyrics — “May all men sink into oblivion” and “If only God would rid us of men” — plays as the women alternately glide on in-line skates, cruise on scooters and parade down the street in vibrant outfits, all things taboo for women in Saudi Arabia.
The music video has rapidly spread across social media, viewed more than three million times since it was uploaded to YouTube two weeks ago, and it has prompted debate over the role of women in Saudi society.

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 6 2017 15:09 utc | 136

Outraged, I think it is PR
There has been some TV programmes on “some places where Saudi women meet outside the city and have shisha and see their male friends in a normal desert free party”. The problem being that unless they are belonging to extremely powerful families, they would certainly end up in jail.And anyway have been carried there by their brother/father/son since it is not allowed for them to drive.
This woman tried something and ended up in jail.
The NYT ” it has prompted debate over the role of women in Saudi society” should be read next to some Angry Arab comments (no time to give precise links) where we get a taste of the ‘debate’, usually based on : just kill them, the law is the law.And no trace in NYT of the sad reality of this hardcore dictatorship: if you’re a princess and you share the link to such video it is okay but if you are let’s say, belonging to a family of Shiite opponents, it might cost you much more.
The whole Gulf functions the same: one law for princes and one law for the ‘subjects’ (and same for hospitals, schools, etc). But that’s no concern for the NYT, their advertisment budget badly needs cash wherever it comes from and the Gulfies are now total insiders in western investments and firms.
http://www.news.com.au/world/saudi-arabian-woman-arrested-after-posting-twitter-photo-of-herself-without-hijab/news-story/9d5bbbd3b3da983cd61f217862460995
http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/saudi-woman-arrested-removing-veil-twitter-983139167
http://www.ibtimes.com/saudi-woman-without-hijab-attacked-execution-called-conservative-muslim-twitter-users-2452342
but recalling this recent event is not for the NYT

Posted by: Mina | Jan 6 2017 17:23 utc | 137

@ Mina | Jan 6, 2017 12:23:52 PM | 140
Thank you for your gracious reply.
You’ve corroborated my suspicions. It has the feel, just as others have promoted by NYT, of a manufactured construct ‘Pussy Riot‘ Psyop operation to it to me, and the production and style values do not ring true either … for example, if this actually occurred in SA (laughable), then ALL the faces of the male participants can be easily readily identified and traced/tracked/hunted down … it would not end well for the participants/producers male & female under interrogation/torture by Saudi Islamic religious police/authorities and Intelligence/Security services…
Peace. Salaam. Shalom.

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 6 2017 17:40 utc | 138

The water crisis is about to be solved.
Locals in Wadi Barada told the Takfiris to leave (or die) and signed an agreement with the government. The Takfiris can go to Idleb, the government will take over.
Repair teams have already reached the springs and are working to restore water to Damascus.
It seems that the pressure tactic by the SAA worked in this case. The locals recognized that they and their property would be the real casualties of further fighting and stopped it.

Posted by: b | Jan 7 2017 12:53 utc | 139

Welcome news, b.
Aha, the mighty fearsome moderate head-choppers, sent packing by the equivalent of the local neighborhood watch community 😉
Well, not really, ME tends to be very well armed (civilians, or family level self protection) … and they would have been dependent on at least minimal local logistical/housing support/tolerance, unrestrcited movement, in order to operate … all good tho.

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 7 2017 13:31 utc | 140

The repair teams send to the spring was fired upon by Takfiris and retreated.
There are obviously groups who do not want to give up. The Syrian army has now resumed the attack on those who hold the water to Damascus as hostage. Reinforcement has arrived and the fighting will likely be over in a few days from now.

Posted by: b | Jan 8 2017 13:38 utc | 141

@144 b.. sure wish they could catch one of those white helmet folks live in wadi barada..

Posted by: james | Jan 8 2017 17:16 utc | 143