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January 20, 2017

The Not-Hillary President

It is impossible to know what the Not-Hillary inauguration will bring. Not-Hillary because putting up Hillary as candidate was the most stupid thing the Democratic party and it paymasters could do. She had extremely high negative ratings and stood for everything that one could dislike with the party's policies. Many who ended up not voting or voted for Trump could have been easily won by a different Democratic candidate even with much of the same general policies (see: Obama, Barack).

Hillary would surely have lost against any middle-of-the-road Republican candidate. History will note that she was an arrogant but incompetent   Democratic candidate who lost against a rather bad Republican candidate, one who lacked support even from his own party. Trump won barely, but she lost completely.

Seen from the perspective of power centers Clinton once had all the support she needed. But she then lost a decisive group due to her uncompromising neo-conned foreign policy. Here is an interesting take based on a theory from the 1950s:

[T]he power elite can be best described as a “triangle of power,” linking the corporate, executive government, and military factions: “There is a political economy numerously linked with military order and decision. This triangle of power is now a structural fact, and it is the key to any understanding of the higher circles in America today.”

The 2016 US election, like all other US elections, featured a gallery of pre-selected candidates that represented the three factions and their interests within the power elite. The 2016 US election, however, was vastly different from previous elections. As the election dragged on the power elite became bitterly divided, with the majority supporting Hilary Clinton, the candidate pre-selected by the political and corporate factions, while the military faction rallied around their choice of Donald Trump.

That is only a rough take. The corporate factions are divided within. The oil industry does not like it when wars disturb its long term businesses (see Russia and Libya). Boeing wants to sell planes to Iran. Other corporate parts don't mind such wars as long as they create new markets or easy access to cheap labor. The media love war as it creates ever thrilling content around which they can sell advertisements.

The decisive political point in this election round was the fight between neo-conservatives/liberal-interventionists and foreign policy realists. One side is represented exemplary by the CIA with the U.S. military on the other:

A schism developed between the Defense Department and the highly politicized CIA. This schism, which can be attributed to the corporate-deep-state’s covert foreign policy, traces back to the CIA orchestrated “color revolutions” that had swept the Middle East and North Africa.

The CIA created bloodthirsty future enemies the military will later have to defeat. Fascists in Ukraine and Takfiris all over the Middle East are used by the CIA to further neocon aims but then require relative cheap military intervention at high human costs. The Generals do not like that. (The precedence of al-Qaeda in Afghanistan was enough for them.) Neither does the military industry. Fighting Takfiris does not require big ticket items. Ratcheting up the rhetoric against peer competitors (without ever fighting a real war) is the best justification for a two million strong military and huge military contracts.

It is still astonishing that the military Trump faction of the power triangle could win the fight. Trump made that possible when he used a hostile media for his gain. The corporate media stood strongly behind Clinton but that was not enough to hide her negative sides. Trump's salesmen bluster proved too fascinating to not be reported. In the end the media that hated him ended up making the very best advertisement for him. For weeks the neoconned Washington Post editorial page ran five or six anti-Trump pieces per day. That alone was for some reason enough to vote for Trump.

Trump will now have to win over other parts of the power triangle. The corporate part is the easy one. He will lower its taxes. He will also, in one form or another, reinstate tariffs along the U.S. borders. His confrontational position against main exporting countries, China, Germany, Mexico etc, will also transfer into higher U.S. corporate profits. It may even create some additional jobs in the U.S. which would help him to get reelected.

The military will demand its due beyond the three generals now in Trump's cabinet. But soldiers do not like to go to war. That means that Trump will increase conflict rhetoric against some foreign countries but also that he will not start any serious war. Expect the announcement of some super nifty, new but useless military wonder weapon for which Trump will promise trillions (Reagan's star wars redux).

The most difficult faction to win over to his view is the political/executive/secret services side including many people within his own party. Neoliberalism has inflicted those on all levels. Trump will have to neutralize or fire people in their upper ranks early and often. If he fails to do that all his plans will be challenged and stymied in their early implementation.

Trump is a highly gifted salesman, one of the best I have ever seen. His general business skills are more average. He is full of bluster before going into negotiations. His current rhetoric in relations to other countries should be seen as opening shots. Such threats and offers alike are to him just parts of a negotiation process. His main aim with those will be to get some manufacturing back into the United States. He needs some success in this, in creating jobs, jobs, jobs and raising wages, to secure his reelection.

Economically Trump will lower taxes and increase spending (after some minor for-show cuts.) U.S. national debt will rise significantly. Interest rates will rise in conflict with his aim to lower the dollar value in exchange markets. His U.S. centric protectionism will allow other countries to also take steps in such a direction. At one point Trump will have to take up a fight with speculative Wall Street banking. It is an impediment for all his other aims. This will be his most difficult fight and the one he will probably lose.

Over all I do not expect anything exceptional from Trump. His time in the White House will probably turn out to be minor remake of Reagan's.

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'Trump’s Inaugural Speech Stirs Hope, Unease'
Supporters say address marked a triumphant moment in American life; those who opposed the President found little comfort in his words

'New Trump White House website sets agenda that mirrors campaign pledges'
Revised website features issue pages for energy policy, foreign policy, economic policy, expanding the military, bolstering law enforcement and rethinking trade

WASHINGTON—The Trump administration overhauled the White House’s website Friday and published action plans...

The revised website created six different issue pages for energy policy, foreign policy, economic policy, expanding the size of the military, bolstering law enforcement, and rethinking trade.


The only speech listed on the website is President Donald Trump’s inaugural address from earlier Friday, pared back from the hundreds of speeches previously listed—just as the incoming Obama administration wiped the slate clean in 2009.


Donald Trump is set to inherit a high-stakes foreign-policy landscape made even more uncertain by his suggestions that he will abandon or reconsider longstanding U.S. policies.

Each new item on the White House site contains a blueprint of how President Trump plans to tackle different issues. Many of the items appear to be agendas the White House plans to pursue on its own authority ...


Lifting these restrictions will greatly help American workers, increasing wages by more than $30 billion over the next 7 years,” the Trump White House’s website said.

It also called for pushing for more shale oil and gas development, and said it would use the revenues from this development to “rebuild our roads, schools, bridges and public infrastructure.”

On foreign policy, the new website says “defeating ISIS and other radical Islamic terror groups will be our highest priority,” referring to the Islamic State terror network. This could be seen as a break from the Obama administration’s foreign-policy approach, which never elevated ISIS to the top of the agenda. Rather, senior Obama administration officials had targeted ISIS as the top terror threat, but much of its focus and strategy was aimed at constraining threats posed by Russia and China.


On trade policy, it says Mr. Trump will begin by “withdrawing from the Trans-Pacific Partnership and making certain that any new trade deals are in the interests of American workers.” He will renegotiate the North American Free Trade Agreement, and if Mexico and Canada won’t renegotiate that deal, Mr. Trump “will give notice of the United States’ intent to withdraw” from that agreement.

On economic policy, the website says Mr. Trump has a plant to return the U.S. to 4% annual growth and create 25 million jobs over 10 years, or roughly 2.5 million a year. He aims to push a tax plan that cuts rates for every income bracket and lower the U.S. corporate tax rate. The website doesn’t say whether this will be done in a way that aims to keep the deficit flat, something that policy officials and lawmakers often clash about.

Similarly, the website says Mr. Trump has proposed a “moratorium” on new federal regulations. It doesn’t say, however, whether that campaign promise will become one of his first executive actions.


“President Trump pledged to serve all Americans, while simultaneously scrubbing every mention of LGBTQ people from the White House website,”...

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 21 2017 3:05 utc | 101

All this blather is a waste of time and energy as though Americans actually vote for their president. The money boys have openly bragged that THEY decide who will be president and it was not a joke. They do. Hillary was scheduled but someone lower down the pecking order was pissed at her theft of the primary from Bernie the old commie and put out the skinny on pizza gate. So did the NYC police dept. when they confiscated Weener's PC with all Hillary's emails, Podesta's child rape stuff, etc.
Since practically ALL the elite are involved in this satanic evil, the big boys switched to their backup halfway through the election in order to be able to bury it a la "false news."
American voters votes had nothing to do with it. They never do. But the burial of pizza gate may not work. This could bring down the whole world wide conspiracy to rule the earth and kill most of the rest of us.

Posted by: Tony B. | Jan 21 2017 3:06 utc | 102

ProPeace @ 54

Can read Peter Kropotkin for 1st-hand, on the scene observer of Alexander's freeing of the serfs. PK was was in the Royal Court s senior classsman of the Court's academy. Especially PK's Revolutionist" autobiography [Recommend any unabridged edition. He wrote it in his fluent English to bypass the hazards of translation.]

Posted by: chu teh | Jan 21 2017 3:20 utc | 103

America First Foreign Policy

Finally, in pursuing a foreign policy based on American interests, we will embrace diplomacy. The world must know that we do not go abroad in search of enemies, that we are always happy when old enemies become friends, and when old friends become allies.

Posted by: From The Hague | Jan 21 2017 3:25 utc | 104

thanks b.. i liked this line of yours near the end:

"At one point Trump will have to take up a fight with speculative Wall Street banking. It is an impediment for all his other aims. This will be his most difficult fight and the one he will probably lose."

and it looks very nasty at present too.. one could argue the constant msm crap on him is argues for who really pays the msm - those large corps and wall st.. they don't and won't take kindly to trump entertaining any alternative approach then the 'business as usual' one - war=money and etc..

Posted by: james | Jan 21 2017 3:35 utc | 105

Pepe Escobar along similar lines

Posted by: GoraDiva | Jan 21 2017 3:43 utc | 106

A promising project could be the import of fresh water from Alaska and Canada via pipeline and existing waterways/lakes involving existing tech for dams and pumping stations. Such project has been studied and for decades but so far not actually begun. There is risk, of course, of such works being nestletized.

Posted by: chu teh | Jan 21 2017 3:45 utc | 107

Another infrastructure project to boost the real employment forces of America, possibly the planned import of fresh water from Alaska and Canada could proceed. It's planning has been ongoing for decades and appears only needs a present-time review. Just ensure such a project is not Nestletized.

Posted by: chu teh | Jan 21 2017 3:49 utc | 108

New POTUS, the Trumpster will NOT be using the POTUS twitter account himself, an advisor/flunky will run it for 'Official' bureaucratic announcements re the Office of the President.

Trumpster will continue to communicate personally & directly via his own twitter account, directly bypassing the openly manipulated and hostile majority of the #FAKE MSM.

The following Youtube vid explains the Why? in detail & context, includes references/links/sources:

President Trump just did Something that has Mainstream Media Furious!!! - from Golden State Times, 3Min28Sec

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 21 2017 4:03 utc | 109

More ad hominem from Circe @90

The anti-Trump folks don't seem to appreciate my pointing out the inconvenient truth that a deal with Russia - which is very much in America's interest - disadvantages Israel and other so-called "allies" in the middle-east.

Think about it. Why is there such a concerted effort against Trump? On both sides of the aisle! Who does Trump threaten so much?

Military spending is not threatened. Trump wants a strong military and has many Generals on his side that want the same. No, it's the CIA/neocon parasites and sell-outs that are threatened. Because 'America First' threatens their cozy arrangements in the ME.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 21 2017 4:25 utc | 110

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 20, 2017 11:03:46 PM | 116

Here is the source of that information:

When you’re president will you still tweet? And if you do will it be as the Real Donald Trump, as Potus, or probably as Real Potus?

@realDonaldTrump I think, I’ll keep it . . . so I’ve got 46 million people right now — that’s a lot, that’s really a lot — but 46 million — including Facebook, Twitter and ya know, Instagram so when you think that your 46 million there, I’d rather just let that build up and just keep it @realDonaldTrump, it’s working — and the tweeting, I thought I’d do less of it, but I’m covered so dishonestly by the press — so dishonestly — that I can put out Twitter — and it’s not 140, it’s now 140, 280 — I can go bing bing bing and I just keep going and they put it on and as soon as I tweet it out — this morning on television, Fox — “Donald Trump, we have breaking news” — I put out a thing . . .

. . . You were tweeting a lot this morning?

I tweeted a little bit, yeah.

And you do it on your own?

I tweeted about the intelligence agencies because it all turned out to be false information.

And you do it on that phone there?

This — I have numerous, I have numerous — I have iPhones, I have . . .

But nobody else knows how to log into your Twitter account?

No, I do — I have one or two people that do during the day I’ll just dictate something and they’ll type it in.

So, Steve Bannon or someone else?

No, not Steve, but I have people that do it. But ya know the tweeting is interesting because I find it very accurate — when I get a word out and if I tell something to the papers and they don’t write it accurately, it’s really bad — they can’t do much when you tweet it and I’m careful about, it’s very precise, actually it’s very, very precise — and it comes out breaking news, we have breaking news — ya know, it’s funny, if I did a press release and if I put it out, it wouldn’t get nearly — people would see it the following day — if I do a news conference, that’s a lot of work.

Posted by: From The Hague | Jan 21 2017 4:32 utc | 111

It's prolly been said before, but I do wish that circe & jackrabbit would do the rest of us a favour and get a room where they can play with each others' pink bits to their hearts' content.

The endlessly circular arguments stating the same old shit over and over again are fucking tedious for everyone else.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jan 21 2017 4:41 utc | 112

@8 - "So Trump fills admin with Goldman Sachs."

Yes, indeed, a rather complex puzzle that's hard to read at this stage.

Either he is a complete cynical sellout before he's even sat down in the big chair -- which means another 4-8 years of 'Obama' style empty-suit government (albeit with more aggressive bluster) run from behind the curtains.

Or, he has grabbed the actual reigns of power by the short and curlies and dragged them into the tent to be controlled by him and his populist mandate.

I'm 50:50 on this so far -- too early to read the 'weak' signals.

However, his archetypal 'boss' character type suggests the 2nd option as a strategy. One can only assume he intends to control the "Goldman Sachs" controllers, or be controlled by them. Unlike Obama, who sat in darkened fear and murderously snipped covertly at 'hidden things', Trump is out there and extroverted so I assume the former: he is into control and it is authentic and his natural inclinations to do this. I suspect this authenticity is, in part, what a vast middle America has responded to. The authentic tone-at-the-top (even if it's a classic salesman spiel) vs the plastic Hollywood scripted false news of the Clinton criminal carnaval whose only core agenda appeared to be to put a pair of ovaries in the oval office.

The other point in favor of the 2nd option is, unlike Obama, boy-Bush and even Clinton 1.0 (who's looking these days rather washed out and dragged along like a done behind his failed wife), Trump has an up-front-and-central 'skin in the game' business trademark to consider. Trump+4 or Trump+8 scenarios both potentially mean business downside risk if he fails in his public commitments.

Ok, "Trump is a dirty word" may well be the phrase du jour at the next election but his likely expansion into new Russian friendly markets will not compensate for a major alienation of his domestic customer base. He can't slink off like a darkened Chicago leach at the end of his term: a '9/11' on Trump Towers is not a good business scenario.

Past these main considerations, 'Trump the paradox' is still looking to many like the opening of Pandora's box: with only 'hope' left to mankind the gods must be crazy and super pissed. And I'm not so sure Goldman Sachs being pushed so upfront and center is in their collective best interests. Trump needs agents to blame for failure and Wall St may just be tumbling down as the 'great again' Mexican walls begin their protectionist rise.

In all the American bluster one thing is clear (and even more clearly un-stated): The 'white flag' has been raised over the White House on American expansionism and exceptionalism. The stresses are showing at the boundaries and margins -- the European 'free riding' poodles and globalist sycophant parasite regimes have sensed the change in the host: "Suck here no longer!" is clearly written on the teat. And the boundaries are not in some CIA opium producing 'black budget' Afghan wilderness over there.

The inner boundaries of the empty donut are now the flyover rust belts of the US domestic economic nightmare -- a trillion$ 'dream' that George Carlin rightly pointed out one must be asleep to believe in. Opium of the masses? FakeNews? Popularism? Soros and paid Maidan protesters? Just go back to Chalmers Johnson and Blowback. Many in the US are awakening and they don't like what they now see of the dark slinking Matrix in operation. For many into a little schadenfreude, Hillary Clinton's real "Let them eat cake" face of pain as she was forced to sit there and face the Madame Guillotine facts of her virtual reality political career smashed again Trump's windscreen 'wall of reality' show was the value take-home from the inauguration.

Foresighting suggests that "God" turning up in Trump's speech numerous times (thanks Pence) is another clear signal of where Trump & Co think the voters are going to be in the future election cycles: under stress, religiosity is usually a growth industry. Brace! Brace!

[Lowercase x -- Not Pepe's Mr 'X']

Posted by: x | Jan 21 2017 4:54 utc | 113

@ Posted by: james | Jan 20, 2017 10:35:07 PM | 107


... argues for who really pays the msm - those large corps and wall st...

The MSM has been distilled down and into a very small set of mega-corporations, reminiscent of the Robber Barons, Railway Barons & Standard Oils/Energy Barons of ~1890-1913 ... the real question, is which corporations, actually own and control the MSM-mega-corporations, and especially what are the PROFIT center interests & activities of THOSE corporations ?

And then the final question, of most importance, is small number of the 0.01% who actually own those corporations ... that is where the Anti-Trump forces lay & who controls & profits from the MICC ...

See below re the 1st of a 3 part, series of questions :

Who Owns the Media? - freepress,net. Full breakdown & in depth, references & sources, further links.

These 6 Mega-Corporations ultimately Control 90% Of The Media In America - BusinessInsider

A picture can say a thousand words ... (Images)

How it all works/functions using Rupert Murdochs corporations as an example In depth youtube vid 1Hr17Min, Documentary from a Dem perspective re latter Bush years, yet still illuminating all the same, if one discounts the slant and takes a more objective/neutral view in order to parse the content as a case study in reach/scope/process, of a single media-mega-corp as an example.

Who owns what media? Brief/succint. In relation to MH17 reporting, covers worldwide within that context.

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 21 2017 4:54 utc | 114

Trump’s inaugural address was as subtle as a punch to the nose

President Donald Trump showed again yesterday that he is many things, but not — NOT — a politician. He is an outsider, a disrupter, a revolutionary and he made no attempt to disguise his plan to smash the status quo.

Posted by: From The Hague | Jan 21 2017 4:57 utc | 115

@ Posted by: ben | Jan 20, 2017 11:45:28 PM | 121

To quote your own recent content, 'sad, sad, sad'. To assist with comprehension, "Play the ball (content), Not the man(poster) !" is the rule ... Good Day.

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 21 2017 5:03 utc | 116

@ Circe 94 re good cop machinery

No. That was Obama.

Re msm gravelling

A good barometer of neoliberal rag feeling is to take a gander over at I'm not registering much of a change, unlike what you claim. Further evidence of alternate - reality sophistry?

Re 83 kushner as prez...

Omg. Circe, I take back everything I've said about your unfounded fearmongering and dubious claims to the future. The following was meant to be a link to a rickroll'd video on youtube: "Jared K. son-in-law to djt mulls run for prez 2020" but because b has not unbanned my home isp, I am forced to complete this comment on my phone which means hyperlinking is a pita. So please follow up reading this by promptly queuing "rickroll'd" on youtube and imagine that you actually for a second believed what you wrote about Krushinger having any chance at a future presidency with that phony-baloney, ivy - league, antichrist personality he lathers himself with every morning.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 21 2017 5:04 utc | 117

Trump uses Inaugural to say: ‘I really mean it’

Trump hijacked political parties

He plainly lumped Republicans in with Democrats when he said, “We are transferring power from Washington, DC. And giving it back to you, the people”

Trump isn't interested in skin or gender

And of the many lines stressing that his nationalism is inclusive: “When you open your heart to patriotism, there is no room for prejudice.”

All the way to: “Whether a child is born in the urban sprawl of Detroit or the windswept plains of Nebraska, they look up at the same night sky, they fill their heart with the same dreams and they are infused with the breath of life by the same almighty Creator.”

Posted by: From The Hague | Jan 21 2017 5:11 utc | 119

@120 - Can you please check how many times I have addressed Jackrabbit in the past 3 threads as compared to him trashing and spinning just about everything I write. I rarely address this individual precisely because he's a gotcha! baiter. I mentioned him indirectly to make a point about Trump supporters and their blind spot, because he's a perfect example; that's it.

That individual should get a DICTIONARY and look up ad hominem, because clearly, there was none of it in my post!

@121 - ben, your post was an excellent reality check. Ignore the toxic, blog police spam, and I'll keep trying to do same. :)

Posted by: Circe | Jan 21 2017 5:21 utc | 120


No. Obama was not the good cop with Russia. Come on...???

Well, I don't know about slate, but at CNN there was a change; every anchor was gushing today, and I briefly switched to the others NBC, ABC, CBS...same thing.

Kurshner is a climber. He got Ivanka; and Trump joked he stole him from her; he's more enamoured with him than her. I believe it was in yesterday's speech after the concert, can't remember exact moment, that he couldn't stop praising Kurshner and said: my daughter Ivanka married UP, and he repeated it! How can any father say something like that; especially when his daughter is successful? I'm telling you he's being groomed and the deep state gets what the deep state wants; ivy league or no ivy league; he's a pretender to the throne.

Posted by: Circe | Jan 21 2017 5:52 utc | 121

Great respect for this post of b

He made very clear the fight between the CIA and the military.

Let's hope Trump will tame the CIA.

Posted by: From The Hague | Jan 21 2017 5:53 utc | 122

Trump is the 'bane' of the elites...

Posted by: les7 | Jan 21 2017 5:55 utc | 123

@ Posted by: From The Hague | Jan 20, 2017 11:32:55 PM | 119

Thank you kindly for the followup transcript post.

More readily accessible for those who cannot access or may not have sufficient bandwidth-speed/data allocations to spare for youtube videos.


Posted by: Outraged | Jan 21 2017 6:28 utc | 124


Merriam-Webster: Ad hominem

marked by or being an attack on an opponent's character rather than by an answer to the contentions made
FIRSTLY you claimed that I am a Trump loyalist when that is untrue. In fact, I have said several times that opposition should and will arise - BUT IMO it shouldn't rely on the corrupt Democratic Party.

SECONDLY, you made an ad hominem when you suggested that I would (as a Trump loyalist) look the other way as Trump kills people.

And now you add a THIRD false claim: that I'm a "gotcha! baiter". Another false ad hominem!! You provide no links to demonstrate such a pattern of conduct.

In fact, I believe you are referring to ONE exchange that occurred WITH YOU which ended in your seeking for to make a bargain with me to stay silent as you conduct your anti-Trump campaign. Then later, you sought to make a similar bargain with another commenter!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 21 2017 6:42 utc | 125


He was starting to fade away into the Trump gold-leaf penthouse and wanted the top CEO job in the land to get attention again, and would say anything to get it. This man is all about ego and the spotlight and nothing else. He got religion (it's all fake); switched some of his more liberal views to conservative values (fake); pretended he didn't support the Iraq war; when he did, and meanwhile he was palling around with the likes of Gingrich and Giuliani, both Iraq supporters and a host of other Neocons like Woolsey and Yates. He played to the poor chumps who lost their jobs to China making promises he knows he can't keep(fake)and promised to revive the coal industry (fake) and stirred up latent racism along the Appalachia and Rust belts to get that red-neck vote (not-so-fake).

Trump was and is a foreign policy neophyte who admitted on MSNBC he got his foreign policy from watching shows on t.v. He's a total fake. Kissinger now owns his foreign policy; he didn't come up with any kind of plan on his own; he has no strategic thinking on foreign policy; it's all Kissinger's views. He was an empty vessel; the ideal puppet to parrot the deep state's plan. Then suddenly at Aipac he promises to deliver Jerusalem to Zionists, tear up the Iran deal for them and veto everything condemning settlements at the U.N. and then there's a leak exposing the DNC and he's President! It was all programmed.

Posted by: Circe | Jan 21 2017 6:49 utc | 126

The fact is, if Trump establishes good relations with Russia, that will be adverse to the interests of Israel and other so-called "allies" in the middle east.

Then the notion that Trump is some kind of uber-Zionist - what Circe et al have been going on about for weeks - would turn out to be hogwash.

But Circe won't listen to anyone that says: lets wait and see. Why not? Why is it so important for Circe to convince us that Trump is an evil Zionist ASAP? Even to the point of browbeating us with charges of laxness - even complicity - and ad hominems directed at those that disagree?

Trump has given every indication that he will stand by his campaign promises. And everyone will be watching closely to see that he follows through.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 21 2017 6:55 utc | 127

Look this woman.
Trump has a strong bond with people like her.

It was a long road
but he -and we- did it together

Posted by: From The Hague | Jan 21 2017 7:03 utc | 128

Circe @136:

Kissinger now owns his foreign policy; he didn't come up with any kind of plan on his own; he has no strategic thinking on foreign policy; it's all Kissinger's views.
Links? Kissinger was know to be an advisor to Hillary. She mentioned him several times during the race.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 21 2017 7:08 utc | 129

Politics used to be all about human rights, spreading democracy, free trade, and all those grand ideals. No longer. Now it's much more simpler: do I benefit? Is this good for me and my country?

Posted by: passerby | Jan 21 2017 7:23 utc | 130

Incoming White House press secretary Sean Spicer told reporters Thursday that an announcement on moving the embassy to Jerusalem was "coming soon," while Trump himself told the Israel Hayom daily this week that he "hasn't forgotten" his promise to move the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.

"And you know I'm not a person who breaks his promises," he said.

Trump inviting the settler movement leaders to his inauguration ceremony is thus a highly symbolic gesture meant to send a clear signal that he’s serious about his stance on Israel, and that things really are going to change under his administration.

Unprecedented seating arrangement on the inauguration dais for Zionist donors:

Jewish casino billionaire Sheldon Adelson and his wife, Miriam Adelson, got to Donald Trump’s inauguration bright and early this morning to claim their seats, right at the center of the dais.

Their seats, right on the aisle, put them within arm’s reach of the country’s most powerful political dignitaries, and just a few rows behind Trump himself. Politicians, not donors, dominate this most prestigious part of the dais.

Kushner and Miriam Adelson at right and left of Trump in picture of Trump.

Republican Jewish Coalition:

Trump rabid Zionist - I rest my case.

Posted by: Circe | Jan 21 2017 7:38 utc | 131

Posted by: Circe | Jan 21, 2017 1:49:45 AM | 136

meanwhile he was palling around with ... a host of other Neocons like Woolsey

Woolsey, a died in the wool Neocon of the First Order, publicly cut and run! So your patently false assertion is BS.

Re fake, fake, fake, fake, fake.

Are you perhaps aware of the term 'Projection' ?

Secondly, endlessly repeating key words, tautologically, does not strengthen your argument, it fundamentally cripples it to anyone with a rational mind using logic & reason. See, 'The boy who cried, 'Fire, Fire, Fire, Fire, Fire, Fire!''

He was an empty vessel; the ideal puppet to parrot the deep state's plan.

How can anyone know this, have you invented and have access to some new fangled 'Brainwave thought scanner' 'thingywhatsit' ?

Secondly it is verifiably documented, proven, corroborated fact, throughout this site, that at the very least, major elements of the 'Deep-State' CIA/ODNI/MI6/MSM have been doing everything they possibly could & can, & continue to do so, to destroy Trump & his faction. Your fallacious non evidence based relentless assertions are akin to a proselytizing 'God-Botherer' demanding we all accept your faith that the earth is Flat and the Solar system revolves around Earth, and a mythical Eve was made from one of mythical Adam's ribs, when Earth was built in six days and is only 5,000 years old!

What utter inane BS.

It was all programmed.

Hm, so you are a fatalist, a believer in pre-determinism, another God-Botherer associated belief, ie non-existence of free will ?

If so, then why rabidly and relentlessly attempt to convince others your baseless & fallacious assertions and prophecies are, in fact current, as well as, future fact ? Do you have a Diploma for your Clairvoyants/Mind-Readers course, proving you qualified ?

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 21 2017 7:42 utc | 132

More weird analysis

Matthews: Trump’s Speech What Putin Has Been Saying, ‘America First’ Has ‘Hitlerian Background’

I sense the hate for Trump will be there for atleast his 6 months, we really see the top of it now I believe, then ,the same hateful MSM will grow a bit more mature on Trump IMO.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 21 2017 8:35 utc | 133

Are these people idiots?

UK PM Theresa May to emphasize value of NATO, EU to Trump

Trump wasnt elected by May, Merkel etc he was elected by his people and THEIR wishes and views!

Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 21 2017 9:05 utc | 134

@all Thanks for lots of good comments on the issue. A very good thread all along.


There was one obviously troll comment @106.

Then six people felty the had to follow up on that. Folks, that is EXACTLY what the troll wanted. Why are you falling for it again and again?

I deleted the troll comment AND the six wannabe blog-policemen comments to it.


Commenting on the comment of another named poster with some argument/source is NOT an ad-hominem issue in my book. It is certainly not a valid reason for others to jump in and to call that out as such. When in doubt ignore brawl fights.

Two men starting a pissing contest is not a valid excuse for every other men to pull out their dicks. When two people argue against each others opinion it is not necessary for everyone to jump in on that.

I deleted the comments that did so.


Posted by: b | Jan 21 2017 10:23 utc | 135

Help from tecchies requested:
when i try to read Arabic wikileaks, i get something like لك سي
could either someone paste for me here that
or tell me how to fix it in ffx?

Posted by: Mina | Jan 21 2017 10:59 utc | 136

ref Ivanka + husband,
i read everywhere including wikipedia that she converted to orthodox judaism, may i ask if the couple attended the inauguration after sunset yesterday?? the whole issue is very confusing.

Posted by: Mina | Jan 21 2017 11:00 utc | 137

Mina 137

While its a bit off topic:
Click the word document under that corrupted text. That document show the correct arabic text.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 21 2017 11:56 utc | 138

As usual the leftist dont get it and are wrong again.

Posted by: Valhalla Rising | Jan 21 2017 12:00 utc | 139

131 "Politics used to be all about human rights, spreading democracy, free trade, and all those grand ideals. No longer. Now it's much more simpler: do I benefit? Is this good for me and my country?"

Politics used to be about US full spectrum dominance and hegemony, spreading regime change and globalised corporate takeover of sovereign governments. Now people around the world are asking - is this good for me or my country?

Posted by: Peter AU | Jan 21 2017 12:32 utc | 140

Frankly, I am surprised that Donald Trump won this from such an outsider position. But maybe this impression - the outsider position - was just media propaganda.

His core policies, the economics and the economic confrontation with exporting countries are inevitable.

This here is the US trade deficit starting with Bill Clinton.

And this here is fun to remember: the 1996 United States campaign finance controvery

The 1996 United States campaign finance controversy was an alleged effort by the People's Republic of China to influence domestic American politics prior to and during the Clinton administration and also involved the fund-raising practices of the administration itself.

Posted by: somebody | Jan 21 2017 12:43 utc | 141

Mina @137,

By the looks of it, a character encoding mismatch. In Firefox, look under View → Text Encoding → try Unicode first because that's what that paste looks like.

Posted by: Jonathan | Jan 21 2017 12:43 utc | 142

@132 Circe

Circe is not the only one who views the Trump/Zionist connections with a certain amount of apprehension. The following article was written by Jim Lobe (jewish, so the anti-semitism card doesn‘t play here) who outlines a similar viewpoint:

Has Trump Become Adelson’s “Perfect Little Puppet”?

But this pivot seems particularly radical. At one point, Trump was mocking Rubio for being a puppet of Sheldon Adelson and declaring his own neutrality between Israelis and Palestinians in future peace negotiation. A few months later, he was expressing his support not only for Israel in general but for the Jewish settlement movement in the Occupied Territories and choosing Friedman, a promoter of the most extreme elements of the settlement movement and an avowed foe of the two-state solution, as his next ambassador to Israel. What happened in the interim?

Trump’s speech at the annual policy conference of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) on March 21 was a turning point. There Trump retreated into full panderer mode…it was reportedly “written with a healthy dose of input by his son-in-law, the Jewish developer and newspaper owner Jared Kushner, and Ron Dermer, Israel’s ambassador to the U.S.”—and delivered with the unprecedented help of a teleprompter…

Most likely, Trump’s pivot reflects the growing influence on Trump of both Kushner and Dermer…


…Dermer, a native Floridian and long-time Republican activist, has worked as a key “liaison to influential Republican campaign financiers like Sheldon Adelson.” It was Dermer who conspired with the Republican leadership (behind the backs of the White House and the Democratic leadership) to invite Netanyahu to blast nuclear negotiations with Iran before a joint session of Congress in February 2015. He also helped arrange front-row balcony seats for the Adelsons and their entourage for the occasion. Dermer, sometimes referred to as “Bibi’s brain,” …


In the election’s aftermath, as Trump touted Kushner as a possible mediator between Israel and the Palestinians, The New York Times noted in a profile of the young heir that he “has become Mr. Trump’s intermediary with a variety of important Israeli and Jewish American players, including Mr. Netanyahu, Mr. Dermer and wealthy donors like Sheldon Adelson, the Nevada casino magnate. He brokered a meeting between Mr. Trump and Mr. Netanyahu in September and sat in on it.”


Putin may indeed be holding some of the strings attached to the president-elect. But, as puppeteers, the Adelsons have likely attached a few of their own. Look for them at the inauguration next week

Posted by: pantaraxia | Jan 21 2017 13:35 utc | 143

“…the entire governmental apparatus has been openly turned over to a group which is working collectively to strip away our rights, our wealth, our commons, any societal benefits heretofore offered by our own tax monies, and all regulations that protect us from corporate harms to the environment or to our bodies.” [a comment by WSWS reader Teri]

" restrictions on the Earned Income Tax Credit, which benefits millions of single mothers and low-wage workers. Other reactionary measures under consideration are new work requirements for adult Food Stamp recipients and eliminating Social Security payments for disabled children." Single mothers, children, disabled -- the easiest to victimize. [from a WSWS article and my comment thereon]

See: The inauguration of Donald Trump: An event that will live in infamy
Link to article

Posted by: Robert Beal | Jan 21 2017 13:40 utc | 144

One should not portray the faction on faction war in the US as one institution or group, like pentagon for eg, vs another.

Its more fractured than that.

A better description is in terms of groups who lose and gain if the current status quo persist. And then loose grouping them into 2 super groups. But even then

Group a from Faction a wants C and E but
Group b from Faction a wants C and ~E
and so one and so forth.
And same with groups in Faction b.
"The narrative
- Donald Trump vs the USA Deep State.
perhaps this is more accurate
- USA Deep State Factions "deterimentally impacted" by globalisation
USA Deep State Factions "beneficially impacted" by globalisation.
And Donald Trump is found useful by one of the factions.
As to Israel, business will better than usual compared to Obama.
Posted by: ThatDamnGood | Jan 15, 2017 10:15:10 AM | 166"

As to the Masters of the Universe, no its not Wall Street.

Its relates to the metaphysical world.

Take for instance, the regime change of the Song Dynasty into Yuan Dynasty.
This man played a pivotal public role in it but himself took orders.
He has been quoted to the effect, "They" have decided on a solution to with regards to the problems with the Song Emperor. His name is Genghis Khan.

And with the Yuan, never before was China that big in terms of territory until arguably with the Qing.

Right now, Russian watchers here seemed to have missed something big happening. The Chechen Nashqbandiyas plans on outlawing both the Sunni and Shiites sects and the Kremlin is on board with it. And in China, the Hui are neither Sunni or Shiite, they Nashqbandiya too.

So will the Heyschasts be fooled by 'Trump' and advice Putin wrongly? Or will Putin fail to heed their advice? I am doubtful.

This part on the masters of the universe is too involved for most perhaps but I sense it could be useful to some. Feel free to ignore it or diss it as you wish.

Lastly, as to war, arguably the Korean War in 1950 came about by 'accident'.

Posted by: ThatDamnGood | Jan 21 2017 13:50 utc | 145

@ Posted by: somebody | Jan 21, 2017 7:43:11 AM | 142

Frankly, I am surprised that Donald Trump won this from such an outsider position. But maybe this impression - the outsider position - was just media propaganda.

May wish to checkout post at:

January 19, 2017, "The DNC Emails Were Leaked" Obama Takes Parting Shot At Brennan, Clapper, Clinton"

Post 89 by: Tom Murphy, being a short youtube vid, and brief summary/explanation at start of post 98.

It covers succintly, why the Hillary/DNC/MSM campaign blatant over-reach to denounce & shout him down, actually achieved precisely the opposite. b has posted before on why the very method chosen, was easily manipulated by Trumpster, and only in fact framed and highlighted/magnified his exposure and desirability as a perceived beltway 'outsider' ... exponentially. And it was sustained ;)

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 21 2017 13:54 utc | 146

Well, b forgets that Trump is an image master, he is not real estate mogul, not a wall street banker but an entertainer for whom image is everything meaning there is no reality just a perception of it. Trump is a flat TV persona, a brand with no substance but advertising impression of the target itself. Trump persona itself does not exist he is an agent of inducing certain feelings among people', positive or negative but not neutral or ambivalent.

This is abc of advertising, selling not products to the people who buy it or use it but selling themselves to themselves as something better and different if associated with a product or brand. Trump is that brand, to make middle America people to feel better about themselves so was Obama for blacks.

In fact that's what the triangle requires from him since no politician would be ever allowed near any true levers of power and his role is to effectively peddle ruling elite influence among masses to confuse them in thinking that their needs are considered important.

In that sense anyone who can move millions to, think,act or refrain is a good candidate for POTUS as a friendly face of an executioner.

What to expect from Trump? mass media shows and declaration of success while neoliberal wheels will be turning as they did for decades now into further globalization and imperial gangsterism to the same end, no matter of millions of future victims.

If people have been fooled once again, may be they deserve the fate that awaits them.

Those brave enough to open their wide shut eyes, understand that throwing off the entire corporate/military/political elite is the only option for real change.

Posted by: Kalen | Jan 21 2017 14:05 utc | 147

Apparently Hillary's fans could vandalize, violently attack the people who voted for Trump, they could cause chaos etc, but if Trump's fans would have done the same, oh then the MSM would be all over it with condemnations.

JUst one of many attacks:
MILO Fan at UW Appears Covered in Bruises, Cuts, Paint

Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 21 2017 14:06 utc | 148

Looks like Soros had better watch his back here. Starting the Maidan in Kiev is one thing. It is an entirely different order of risk to do something similar in the heart of the USA under a new pragmatic presidency.

Posted by: x | Jan 21 2017 14:41 utc | 149

Hm, just an observation, however, on the Republican and Trump-faction aligned comments made on threads throughout Social Media, a distinct, new word description/definition for the Anti-Trump faction and their supporters and enablers, has come into common usage:


It is now, suddenly, very common, and in widespread usage as a defining, 'Label'/'Descriptor' ...

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 21 2017 15:03 utc | 150

pantaraxia @145:

Circe is not the only one who views the Trump/Zionist connections with a certain amount of apprehension.
I share the apprehension. I think we all do - in different degrees.

There are some troubling indications. But hyping those and making false claims of others is counter-productive:

>> Not all Jews agree with Israeli hardliners (anti-Zionists often speak like Jew = Zionist);

>> Neocon Woolsey was ignored so he publicly separated from Trump;

>> Trump's support from pro-Israeli sources (like Sheldon Adelson) was much less than Hillary received, and most of that came in the last weeks when the race was all but over;

>> Kissinger was on Hillary's side.

Trump is clearly not anti-Jewish. And he is not anti-Israel. But taking that to mean that he is an uber-Zionist is nonsense.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 21 2017 15:26 utc | 151

Superb post. Trump is no populous leader but was able to tap into the public's suffering under neoliberal economic policy and neoconservative war making and general belligerent foreign policy of which the American public has had enough. The Hillary Democrats trotted out their tired old duplicit rhetoric and the ensuing scandals within that party and the Clinton criminality becoming public sealed their fate, if narrowly. Except for small measures taken by this new admin so that they have something they can point to as to keeping campaign promises I think we can look to more of the same. only more so. but disguised with rhetoric and some small amelioration by on shoring some MIC jobs in the name of national security. The financialization and looting will continue as the banking class are not about to change their insatiable thirst for money through a multitude of criminal activities as all those pension funds have yet to be fully looted. Trump will be made to see that he must go along to get along if he whats some bones thrown his way to placate the electorate and his ego in meeting his pledge to 'make America great again.' If he is to become another Obama his brand will suffer and either way this is the likely outcome for the Trump brand. Getting elected was a big public relations mistake for Trump.

Posted by: BRF | Jan 21 2017 15:29 utc | 152

In his first act of Presidency, Trump "authorized officials" to do something unspecified, but surely marvelous, about Affordable Care Act. Optimistic view is that he avoids doing anything specific before his people figure out what can be done without a major disaster. There are also news that military and agencies will squash attempt to "renegotiate the deal with Iran". And Putin spokesperson explain that it would take months to prepare a summit meeting (again, Trump's people have to figure out what can be done without a major disaster). No bombastic talk about "hitting the ground running".

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jan 21 2017 15:37 utc | 153

The new Secretary of Defense, for example, former Marine General 'Mad Dog,' Mattis, is publicly confirmed supporter of the Two-State Solution, and has definite views re all the trouble Israel causes in the ME, and elsewhere:

James Mattis - Israeli-Palestinian peace process

Israeli-Palestinian peace process

Mattis supports a two-state solution model for Israel-Palestinian peace. He says the current situation in Israel is "unsustainable" and argues that the settlements harm prospects for peace and could theoretically lead to an apartheid-like situation in the West Bank. In particular, he believes the lack of a two-state solution is upsetting to the Arab allies of America, which weakens US esteem amongst its Arab allies. Mattis strongly supported John Kerry on the Middle East peace process, praising Kerry for being "wisely focused like a laser-beam" towards a two-state solution.

The situation re the new administration is not as Binary, Black & White, nor as monolithic, as a few certain posters, continuously & relentlessly, assert, ad infinitum, re 'their' absolute perception of reality. He is decidedly rabid re Iran, though ... ;)

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 21 2017 15:44 utc | 154


No, I don't find that 'just as sad' but I agree with you, that is politics (Republicans meeting to oppose). What I was decrying was the mendacity of the press, which is supposed to be ABOVE politics. Us deplorables don't watch pay tv. The best we can do is the public access channels, and the pundits on those 'free' places let us down.


I didn't mind a bit that the Inauguration festivities culminating in the parade was a modest affair. That spoke to a return to decorum, and especially I liked that the two podium offerings were choral arrangements - it is always so good to see a large group of people acting in harmony and that is what those elements of it displayed. Someone in the press commentary might have commented upon this and remarked that instead of isolated displays of grandeur, we got the people on display, in harmony with the message of the presidential address. Instead, they harangued us - that is the only way to describe it, and did their best to spoil any joy we might have had as we viewed the ceremonies.

As I said before, the foundations of the mighty press corp which is presently abusing its privileges are in bad need of repair - that's one infrastructure this democracy cannot function without. It's not politics, it's in the Constitution.

Posted by: juliania | Jan 21 2017 16:00 utc | 155

re mina 137

when i try to read Arabic wikileaks, i get something like لك سي
It comes out like that when your computer, or their site, doesn't have the font necessary, and it's replaced by garbage. I could believe they don't have an Arabic system installed at Wikileaks.

Anonymous gave the answer at 139.

By the way on Ivanka and orthodox Judaism (138), I read a report whereby a rabbi gave a special authorisation for Ivanka and hubby to travel home on the sabbath. So they were properly obedient.

Posted by: Laguerre | Jan 21 2017 16:02 utc | 156

One more thing @154

Sheldon Adelson gave a lot of money to Senate and House republicans. That's probably why he's was on the dais.

Many of those Adelson gave to are 'establishment' so they are not fans of Trump or their support for Trump is lukewarm.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 21 2017 16:03 utc | 157

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 21, 2017 10:03:16 AM | 152

Of course. That is what it is about. Chinese (and other) products have become competitive, so US multinationals no longer profit from cheap labour and open markets, but loose in the US Market.

It is different for Wall Street and the Silocon Valley.

Posted by: somebody | Jan 21 2017 16:12 utc | 158

Kalen @ 149 said:

"If people have been fooled once again, may be they deserve the fate that awaits them."

"Those brave enough to open their wide shut eyes, understand that throwing off the entire corporate/military/political elite is the only option for real change."

operative word in the first sentence...IF.

Second sentence, IMO absolutely true..

Good post thanks.

Still, too early to tell, but the actions taken by the new admin. will tell all. Only actions matter, rhetoric, not so much.

Posted by: ben | Jan 21 2017 16:13 utc | 159

@ Posted by: juliania | Jan 21, 2017 11:00:13 AM | 157

A brief review of the press coverage in print media, worldwide was, well, feral & majority denigrating. Mocking outfits, 3rd rate entertainment, blah, blah, simply astounding ... and various mini-riots (100+ arrested). A few even ran with criticism of the playing of the Sinatra song, 'I did it My Way' ?! I'm not actually a Trumpster fan, but, all this over-hyped and sustained de-legitimization, is going to cause blowback ... even if things eventually 'settle down'. There can be no question.

Speculative: What if his Administration decides to do a ~1890-1913 Teddy Roosevelt era series of prosecutions, and break-up the 5 Mega-Media-Corporations comprising ~90% MSM, as payback, using Anti-Trust/Monopoly Laws ? They are still on the Statute books re the then Robber Barons, Railway Monopolies & Standard Oil/s. If his faction has nothing to lose re the relentless biased media campaign, and they apparently do not, why not direct the Justice Department, to prosecute and, 'Break 'em up' ?! Queue poetic irony ;)

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 21 2017 16:17 utc | 160

Did you watch Trump's speech, Circe? Did you see Obama flushing beneath his tan? Don't you remember Shakespeare? What part about a metamorphosis when government is put upon the shoulders of a man with children and grandchildren to measure up the shortness of his days do you not understand? We saw an entire family on display yesterday, and I have to say they all played their parts in exemplary fashion, down to the littlest who monitored the pens as he signed papers for his cabinet proposals. Trump as president will be walking a tightrope. He has a monumental task and he has set out the parameters of his term with clarity. This is what he aims to do; whether he can or not, he will try.

The press role on this occasion was to educate the public. They fell down and they fell hugely and publicly. I am really hoping that some of the restrictions upon them that were dismantled during previous administrations will be reinstated, but it is going to take time. Remember when we struggled with public hearings about the leadership of the FCC, how the public was united, but lost anyway? These struggles should happen once again, but I expect we will have to endure these loudmouths a while longer. And they will continue to disinform because that is their livelihood; they belong to the old regime. I endure by ignoring them as a rule; I don't watch any tv news or listen on the radio. And I didn't see any evidence yesterday that they had changed their tune - far from it.

Posted by: juliania | Jan 21 2017 16:19 utc | 161

@ "At one point Trump will have to take up a fight with speculative Wall Street banking."

It is not so much Trump that will eventually have to fight Wall Street. Rather it is government.

When government bestowed ownership of the currency to an arbitrary and unelected entity, the outcome was dialled in.

The quid pro quo established that politics would receive financing liberally via perpetual deficits and constantly increasing debt whilst finance, as the purveyors of said debt, would get a gradual transfer of assets to itself.

The arithmetical outcome of this dynamic, initially pits government against the people via taxation, legislation and regulation.

Eventually however, the diminishing marginal utility of debt guarantees that neither taxation nor increasing the debt can maintain the edifice of government. Hence the reason that since the late 1800s, US debt doubled under Obama for example. This is an indication of the dynamic going critical.

These are arithmetical realities.

By imposing one unit of account under penalty of law

By bestowing ownership of the unit of account to an unelected and arbitrary entity

By running perpetual deficits

Government guarantees the outcome. The only variable is time.

The time is now.

Posted by: guidoamm | Jan 21 2017 16:27 utc | 162

my takeaway from the speech was that the u.s. has a new religion - nationalism - and as long as you fall in line with it - patriotism - (and acknowledge protection by the [white] xtian god in the sky) you won't be targeted by the state

much different read of the event than leni's descriptions above

Posted by: b real | Jan 21 2017 16:32 utc | 163

@ Posted by: guidoamm | Jan 21, 2017 11:27:33 AM | 165

Was vainly attempting to identify who the ultimate owners of Northrop Grumman Corp., Xerox Corp. and the Edison Electric Institute are, who pointedly refused to donate to the inauguration.

Is not an area of ones expertise by any means, in fact Zilch such, however, there seemed to be a series of overlapping investment groups/trusts involved ... are you aware of such or know how, or where to determine the above three likely ultimate majority shareholding owners ? Just askin' ?

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 21 2017 16:38 utc | 164

Actually, the spat between Chinese and US billionaires is going to be fun. This is China from Davos:

Speaking at the World Economic Forum in Switzerland on Wednesday, Chinese billionaire Jack Ma accused the United States of spending too much money on foreign wars and risky financial speculation and not enough money "on your own people."

The founder of the world's largest retailer, Alibaba, was addressing a question posed by CNBC's Andrew Ross Sorkin about the U.S. economy in relation to China.

In response, Ma said the U.S. should stop blaming other countries and look at its own spending priorities:

"It's not that other countries steal jobs from you guys," Ma said. "It's your strategy. You did not distribute the money and things in a proper way."


"The past 30 years, IBM, Cisco, Microsoft, they've made tens of millions—the profits they've made are much more than the four Chinese banks put together," he continued. "But where did the money go?"

"The money goes to Wall Street. Then what happened? Year 2008 wiped out $19.2 trillion in U.S. income," he said. What's more, he added, "In the past 30 years, America had 13 wars spending $14.2 matter how good your strategy is you're supposed to spend money on your own people."

Posted by: somebody | Jan 21 2017 16:40 utc | 165

@ Posted by: somebody | Jan 21, 2017 11:40:04 AM | 168

LOL. Sounds like Ma clearly had a lot of fun enjoying himself whilst sticking it to the Imperialists, with those quotes! Damn well bet there will not be any such 'specific quotes' reported by the MSM Stateside either :)

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 21 2017 16:46 utc | 166

@166 b real... 'nationalism'... is walmart national? is wall st national? the buy america is a great ideal - buy local is even better.. but when presented with the option of buy 'cheap' as opposed to 'local' - guess which one folks on food stamps choose? cheap wins out every time.. the gutting out of the small towns and communities has been going on for a very long time.. talking about turning this around at this late date is more idealism..

my observation on politicians, is they are really good on selling the idealism.. the last hopey changey president is only the most recent example of where the idealism doesn't match the reality.. trump may also talk a good line with his 'buy america' and etc.. it is a similar idealistic pitch that all these politicians make.

when given the choice between 'cheap' and 'local' it is my ongoing observation that cheap wins out every time.. maybe it is different with those who have more money then i..

Posted by: james | Jan 21 2017 16:53 utc | 167


It's not a religion if it is the only sane approach to governing nation states. Taking authority back from the globalists who have been practicing their insane policy for the past 40+ years is the ONLY patriotic approach. This will look and play out in many forms, but it is suspect to keep painting supporters of this so-called "America first" policy as religious whackjobs. But, keep shoveling I say...the neodemoncrats and establishment republicans sure are.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 21 2017 17:02 utc | 168

Actually they actually do, Tony B.@ 103.

Jill Stein, whether she meant to or not, actually did us all a favor. In states critical to this presidency she mounted challenges, which while not all successful, managed a recount that was not far off what the official tally had been. As I remember, there were in fact more votes tallied according to the recount for Mr. Trump than for Mrs. Clinton, but the difference was not a huge one. It didn't help Greens, of which persuasion I was due to the sensible policies they proposed, but it did speak to the issue you raise. I am more confident in the integrity of the electoral process than I used to be.

I have been reminded of Ralph Nader's book suggesting the very rich should be the ones to challenge this plutocracy. He just could well have been right.

Posted by: juliania | Jan 21 2017 17:04 utc | 169

@James 170

As we all know, Walmart is a center piece to deconstructing the globalist puzzle. I am still a slave to Amazon, but I will be weaning myself from their devices/subscriptions/products very soon. In my book, decentralization means less big box, more employment at smaller/local levels, and better customer service. I think Amazon and Walmart will take a hit in the coming years. I pray that they do. Less buying, more informed choices, and happier customers might all be positive outcomes of some iteration of protectionism. The haunting landscape of derelict big box stores can't come soon enough.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 21 2017 17:11 utc | 170

@70, good catch of the missile defense game. Trump met with Lockheed and Boeing (F-35 and Air Force One contracts were the issue) and a few days later, we have this. Looks like some kind of deal was cut, I wonder what Boeing had to say about their multi-billion Iran contract?
In the shadow of Trump's ire over jet program, Lockheed Martin snags $1.45B missile contract"
The not so-secret issue with the whole missile defense program is that it's nothing but a cash cow for defense contractors, useless for its stated purpose:

These are not real tests at all, but better described as controlled “experiments” or scripted “demonstrations.” It’s like “testing” how good a hunter one is by shooting a deer tied to a tree - at ten paces. Successfully shooting the deer wouldn’t prove a thing about one’s hunting skills. Failing such a “test,” however, would underline just how unprepared one is.

On similar news, Mattis might be leaning towards canceling the idiotically destabilizing and expensive "Nuclear Cruise Missile" program that Ashton Carter was promoting, and Trump talking about a return to nuclear reduction talks with Russia is good news for the rational foreign policy crowd (as compared to the Clinton-Bush neoliberal-neocon lunatics responsible for Iraq and Libya and Syria debacles).

But, as many predicted, Trump's domestic policies are looking very iffy, he claimed that he's going to use "increased government revenues" from expanded coal, oil and gas development to finance his domestic infrastructure program: . .

The statement on the White House website said that Trump's efforts to boost the U.S. oil and gas sector would help increase government revenues to "rebuild our roads, schools, bridges and public infrastructure," and lower the price of energy.

That seems unlikely, at best. In reality the only way to finance a real domestic infrastructure program would be to jack up taxes on billionaires and Wall Street, or drastically cut about a third of the military budget (such as the NATO budget plus the nuclear weapons modernization budget) and that would be a bitter war to the death with Deep State interests. It would take an epic shift in US politics on the scale of the collapse of the Soviet Union to see that happen.

Ideally, Trump will normalize relations with Russia, but China, who knows? China and Russia and Pakistan and Iran are all involved in this central Asian corridor, that's not going to change. Some good moves on trade already that should help domestic manufacturing jobs. Domestic energy and infrastructure policies look like a disaster that will do more to damage long-term U.S. economic growth than anything else, but really that's not much different from Hillary Clinton's Wall Street-run plans. All in all a good time for states to try and claw back as much power from the federal government as possible, start setting their own domestic economic agenda.

Posted by: nonsense factory | Jan 21 2017 17:19 utc | 171

Apologies for making a pig's breakfast of the links. They nevertheless do lead to the intended pages

Posted by: guidoamm | Jan 21 2017 17:25 utc | 173

Furthermore...Amazon has shielded itself from overhead costs through automation and lack of brick and mortar, unlike Walmart, which is a dead-man-walking. However, I think a reckoning is still coming for Amazon. As their market share increases until a full monopoly, smaller businesses will be able to sneak in the backdoor through superior means of service and innovation. Amazon is also facing a disgruntled workforce which not even automation will be able to forestall, meanwhile they are hilariously attempting pilot programs of brick and mortar grocery stores in urban areas, which, like the myriad attempts before, will fall on their face. In short: amazon prices will increase, customers will revolt, and workers will give Bezos heartburn.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 21 2017 17:26 utc | 174

PBS NewsHour confirmed its reptilian MSM-ish tendencies in its Day After Inauguration broadcast by engaging in a bit of creative stove-piping (using an imported story to leverage a local meme).
Having provided extensive coverage of anti-Trump protests + violence + vandalism, and a few bites of Trump supporters in the US, they added an international anti-Trump flavour with a clip from London showing banners on bridge railings saying Build Bridges Not Walls, then a tight-focus shot of protesters in TOKYO featuring a tiny group of Stupid White (non-Japanese) Folks. Complete with blonde hair and English language placards.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 21 2017 17:58 utc | 175

Ah Circe, I see your problem. I mean this in all seriousness - you are infected by the msm. I only watched yesterday (and by the way pbs did not cover any of the inauguration for New Mexico watchers at least) for the inaugural coverage, and no way will I venture forth into that minefield. I see Trump has the same opinion as I do, and his approach may be the more effective in the immediate timeframe. (Thanks Outraged and La Hague). One of the most effective ways to change the doubledealing mainstream press will be to go elsewhere for information.

I'm not kidding: that way there be monsters. You know, to take one example, we the people got organic food back into the picture when Monsanto wanted to dictate our food preferences. Boycott garbage in all its manifestations.

Posted by: juliania | Jan 21 2017 17:59 utc | 176

@170 NemesisCalling.. the post numbers keep changing as b deletes posts!!!

i agree with you.. i have stopped using amazon - internet version of walmart..

i think buying local has to start with food buying habits.. supporting agri business is not supporting american businesses.. it is supporting stock holders who are essentially global. agri biz is large global corps, and even if they have a hq in the usa, are subject to the way global finances are put together today.. stock holders are all about taking and don't care the impact there taking has on a local community.. same deal the walmart and amazon stockholders.. going after this is going after wall st.. trump talks a good sales line and much like obama - it is feel good fluff that some people readily swallow.. i think it is going to be biz as usual under him, even if he runs the american flag un the pole while he pontificates about what he is going to do.. as they say in politics - talk is cheap - and there is plenty of it. actions always speak louder.

@171 nonsense factory quote from a trump quote "increased government revenues" from expanded coal, oil and gas development..." more destruction of the local environment for the stock holders of those same multi national corps who don't give a fuck about the local and by extension - the american community.. why am i not surprised! thanks for your many posts..

Posted by: james | Jan 21 2017 19:01 utc | 177

Hey Circe,

Your observations on Kushner and his role as Trump's Senior Advisor are supported by this article posted over at Haaretz yesterday -

"During his speech [to donors], Trump thanked members of his family who were in the crowd, including his son-in-law and senior adviser, Jared Kushner. "Ivanka married well," [Note: he did not say 'married up' as someone suggested earlier in this thread] Trump declared, referring to his daughter who is married to Kushner. During the weekend, Trump confirmed in an interview with the Times of London that Kushner, an Orthodox Jew, will be used by his administration to try and broker a peace agreement between Israel and the Palestinians. "If you can't produce peace in the Middle East, nobody can," he told Kushner at the Union Station event."

As Obama suggested during his final presser, the two-state solution appears dead. Thus, if Kushner is negotiating what a one-state solution would look like and IF he is successful at securing said solution - many, many hurdles to overcome as we all know - he will have cut his national security/foreign policy teeth on one of the most challenging issues of our time. IF being the operative word.

Following the election, I believe it was Salon but memory may not be solid, wrote a rather long piece on K detailing how he built from the ground up a nest of techies who out witted and out worked the Left Google hive. He appears to be an 'outside the box' kind of thinker and I'd add he plays to win.

Link to Haaretz -

Posted by: h | Jan 21 2017 19:13 utc | 178


Teddy Roosevelt is a good comparison. A while back I was reading his bio and once again there was a lot to like and some things not to like about what he did when in office, influenced a lot by his rich man heritage but similar obstacles to face with entrenched financial interests.

There's always going to be some flaw in a character as volatile as that. Point is, we need spirit and Trump does have that. A rare commodity these days; it seems to have been bred out of us. As to the media I would say 'From your mouth to God's ear' as a late Jewish friend would often end his conversations, though I think this isn't up to God; it's up to us.

We've been empowered, people! It shouldn't just be the police keeping protests from getting violent. People, if you are wanting a peaceful protest, and you are there, please do what you can to help keep it peaceful. The violent ones are not on our side. Chaos now is in the interest of the old regime; that's pretty clear.

Posted by: juliania | Jan 21 2017 19:33 utc | 179

Those brave enough to open their wide shut eyes, understand that throwing off the entire corporate/military/political elite is the only option for real change.
Posted by: Kalen | Jan 21, 2017 9:05:34 AM | 147

I asked Kalen and ben (Posted by: ben | Jan 21, 2017 11:13:30 AM | 159) what "throwing off" means.
My questions are deleted.
Maybe "throwing off" means to delete that elite. But that sounds absurd (and horrible).

Posted by: From The Hague | Jan 21 2017 20:33 utc | 180

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 21, 2017 11:46:33 AM | 166

He has got some cheek, considering that income equality in China is greater than in the US - as they admit themselves.

On top of that Ma owes the business model he made billions with to the US.

Posted by: somebody | Jan 21 2017 21:01 utc | 181

The statement on the White House website said that Trump's efforts to boost the U.S. oil and gas sector would help increase government revenues to "rebuild our roads, schools, bridges and public infrastructure," and lower the price of energy. Posted by: nonsense factory | Jan 21, 2017 12:19:34 PM | 171

This is indeed nonsense. US is a mature economy, which means that the growth of GDP increases demand for energy less than proportionally. And of course, we could increase energy demand by removing insulation from homes and proceeding to fry in winter and freeze in summer, carefully removing all LED lights to replace with incandescent ones, with no improvement in our well-being. Thus it is easy to see that there is no room for, say, doubling the energy consumption. But halving energy prices occurred, so further decreases in energy cost, even if they happen, would have rather marginal effect on the economy.

Inside the energy sector, the drop of oil prices led to drop in prices of the natural gas, that lead to preference of power company to use gas instead of coal, so coal production collapse. I talked with a very bright student graduating in oil + gas exploration. The jobs in that sector evaporated (she got a job in a distribution company, good grades can save you even in a tight job market). One can see that if Trump manages to boost energy production by lifting regulations (some are on state level, but hey! Republican Congress can make short work of them) then that sector would collect LESS revenue and thus it would pay LESS taxes. So one could only hope that the "torrent of new revenues" would come from other sectors, but if such causality existed, we would see enormous boom under Obama, as we went from 100$/bbl to 50$/bbl, but instead the growth was tepid. Decreasing energy prices further can result in massive bankruptcies in the energy sector (which survived the period of sub-50 prices only because investment in extraction industries are financed with long term bonds) and very moderate impact on other sectors.

I guess it would be more realistic to "rebuild our roads, schools etc." by legalizing and taxing drugs. Or indeed, slapping severe import duties. With imports above 2 trillion, 30% import duty would give 0.6 trillion revenue, about 15% of current federal spending. Of course, that could lead to severe undesirable effects, but perhaps with proper scaling and restriction (say, keep free trade with Canada, l restrict legalization to marijuana, opiates and meth or something along those lines), there is a potential to collect significant amount of money.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jan 21 2017 22:08 utc | 182

Today the buck stops with Trump alone. No more Hillary or Obama to excuse his actions. The Not-Hillary President is an excuse not to hold Trump’s feet to the fire. There’s only so much one can re-hash the past. We are entering the Trump era. So Trump has no choice now but to be the REAL Donald J. Trump; he can no longer rely on his showmanship. He is no longer in election mode where he can get away with the sales pitch without delivering the goods. However, he has yet to move on from the election, and you have not moved on either with this post rehashing the past; blaming this, that and the other. Is this the solution for life as well?: blame the past and everything and everyone one around us conspiring to defeat our purpose and goals? Shouldn’t we instead move on with integrity, conviction and responsibility and stop blaming others for our inaction and our failures? The next chapter must begin with honesty because Trump is all about deception.

Is Trump capitulating already? Hell yeah! and has been capitulating for some time now. He’s in bed with Zionists and he alone made that choice; but still you fail to call him out on that. Nothing good has ever come from appeasing Zionists; that’s how Iraq and many other geopolitical blunders happened; and nothing good will ever come of this unholy alliance. Today, the REAL Trump was praising the mobsters at Langley and then crowing about how many times he made the cover of Time and what a big crowd he had yesterday and how he’s going to expand the CIA and professing his love for them getting rousing applause. But he lied! He said the media fabricated a feud between him and the CIA. Bullshit. He should go back and check this tweet!

Even if Trump was justified to show his disdain for Brennan; it’s deceptive to turn that around today and pretend that the media fabricated this feud with the CIA! So basically, Trump graduated from exposing media bias (which is okay) to now exploit the fact that people mistrust the media to deflect to them whatever deception he resorts to as President. This is a dangerous manipulation and fascist ruse.

It’s f…king time to get on HIS case, expose him and lose the tired Hillary narrative, already. Now his actions will be scrutinized and they are fair game for criticism. No more, it’s this, it’s that, it’s the other – poor Trump; he’s a lamb among wolves, a man-baby who needs our coddling. When Obama capitulated; he deserved all the criticism he got from many including – NO EXCUSES from me, like oh, he meant well, but the corrupt system was out to get him. Today, all I hear is: the corrupt system is out to get poor Trump, it’s the deep state, poor thing: What’s next? His shorts are too tight and stopped the circulation to his brain so he’s not responsible? All he needs is someone like you to buy into this and skilfully cover his ass. Both Obama and now Trump are grown men! It’s not the CIA, KGB, Mossad, media or the Soros conspiracy! Quit the man-baby needs our protection shit. He’s a grown man who knew exactly what he was getting into and either he has integrity and balls to shun all influence or he doesn’t, and will fail, mostly because he was already bought; and was never the man-god you fantasized with, but just another corrupt billionaire lusting for power. He’s dishonest and; he already sold his soul to the highest bidder – Adelson.

So as of this day, no one is to blame for whatever shit Trump pulls, not-Hillary nor a vast conspiracy nor the man on the moon pulling strings, only Trump himself! What Trump does or doesn’t do is HIS CHOICE alone.

Now, I must address the elephant in the room today: the protests. If there are hundreds of thousands marching in the streets; that’s THEIR prerogative and right. Stop, before you blame this on a vast neoliberal, Soros conspiracy, and then cry poor Trump! People are up to their eyeballs; they don’t need Soros or anyone else to mobilize them; they’re disgusted with good reason. Who cares what role this other billionaire plays! He’s a gnat, compared to the bigger picture that needs to unfold from this. I say throw him out like yesterday’s trash along with the rest of his corrupt billionaire Zionist oligarch club!

There are groups out there from all walks of life fighting for all kinds of causes rallying together. That’s good, but my only criticism and concern is that they get stuck in a place where they don’t see the forest for the trees, kind of like you’re doing with this post. Eventually, I hope, people will get it through their thick noggins that the two-party monopoly ruled by the deep state, is suborning their politicians and therefore subverting their democracy and is the real source of evil and corruption in the system. Until and unless they rally under that same banner first (the forest – the wider problem) and their other many grievances second (the trees), nothing will come out of this.

The whole lot in Congress should be thrown out with some exceptions. People of integrity need to step up and run for office and other people need to support them and run out of town whoever is being funded by Wall Street and Zionists.

The narrative needs to change from, protesting Trump only, to protesting the entire corrupt system that includes Trump and we should all get behind the protest movement for the latter reason; because we all have this problem in common despite our other differences.

Thankfully, some are starting to get it; although, it has to go further. Example, today, Michael Moore, moved away from the Trump narrative speaking at a rally in Washington, basically stating, and I’m paraphrasing,: thank-you very much Democrats; you did some good stuff and now it’s time for you to GO!

Here are his exact words:

"We have to take over the Democratic Party...The old guard of the Democratic Party has to go." More on the video:

Michael Moore stood up against the Bush Administration. He is standing up against Trump, because Trump is a fraud and the REAL Donald Trump is worse than Bush; AND now he’s standing up against the Democratic Party. This is a good start, but more and even better activists are required to speak out with greater clarity, promoting instead the narrative that attacks the two-headed corrupt monopoly dragon and their Zionist financiers until they’re run out of town. Why not aim for that higher narrative instead of staying mired in everyone's out to get Trump-man-god-savior-of-the-universe?

Therefore, Not-Hillary, Trump-god, defenceless man-baby victim of conspiracies is a status quo, cyclical narrative; because both are two sides of the same coin. What difference does it make if they take money from Soros or Adelson? It’s the same f….cking cabal and Trump is already doing the cabal’s bidding.

Now you may not have a horse in a movement to rid Washington of the cabal that rules it; you may have the limited agenda of ensuring Russia is out of the Empire’s crosshairs. Well, how is that going to help when a new administration with a different scheme to ensure imperial hegemony replaces this one 4 or 8 years from now with the same monopoly in Congress? What matters here is a permanent solution, not a short-term fix; the long view not the short-term immediate gratification that blinds you from recognizing that nothing has changed BUT THE DEVIOUSNESS OF THE STRATEGY to advance the Empire. A temporary pretense at reset with Russia to replace China and Iran in the crosshairs instead is not the solution for achieving global stability and a multi-polar world. It is a selfish and narrow-minded surrender to the Empire’s morphing machinations.

Posted by: Circe | Jan 21 2017 22:27 utc | 183

Posted by: Circe | Jan 21, 2017 5:27:17 PM | 183

Could you give it a rest?
Your Trump fears are not unfounded but they are pure Zionist-style speculative drivel. You've offered no evidence that you've explored the possibility that Trump has to tread carefully if he has a genuine anti-establishment agenda. He's said he wants to drain the swamp and at least 40% of Americans believe that and are prepared to wait and see if he moves in that direction. And if he doesn't do so in the first 100 or so days, they're going to be angrier than you're pretending to be.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 22 2017 0:16 utc | 184

@chu teh | Jan 20, 2017 10:20:27 Thanks for the info on Kropotkin, interesting figure indeed.

Regarding freeing the serfs and slaves by Alexander II and Lincoln one could draw an analogy that Putin has freed modern Russian serfs from the cruel, suffocating grip of the global judeo-masonic cabal of central bankers, and Trump is about to do the same in the US...

Posted by: ProPeace | Jan 22 2017 0:28 utc | 185

As several suggested, I read Trump's speech and discovered the words and ideas of several previous presidents intertwined--TR, FDR and JFK came immediately to mind. PCR has written a somewhat prescient piece describing the foes that speech targeted and the many difficulties Trump will face trying to get air to his agenda--his primary foe for the moment being Congress which is attempting to further bludgeon the citizenry and weaken the nation's human capital. There are a few areas where we should see rapid change, particularly financing terrorists, if his deeds are going to match his words. Otherwise, the ball's mostly in Congress's court, and much of what Trump's proposed goes against current Republican and Blue Dog dogma and the interests of their paymasters.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 22 2017 0:42 utc | 186

@182, thanks Piotr Berman for the insightful analysis, I was trying to be charitable and not say what I was thinking (which can be summed as WTF! Huh? Is the Trump energy team being run by someone whacking themselves over the head with a rubber mallet? Boing! Boing! Boing!)

@183, Hey Circe. Interesting comment. But as far as "The Zionists" issue #1 is the Israeli nuclear weapons program. Sure, there are justifications for it - I bet North Korea's Kim Jung whatever trots out the same justifications. 200 nuclear weapons for Israel, quite an arsenal, comparable to India-Pakistan-Britain-France-China. Not like Russia and the U.S., with 7,000 each, but still quite a lot, enough to cause global chaos if not kept under tight supervision. I do notice that "the Zionists" have grown so sensitive about this issue that they don't want to censure Iran for nuclear program anymore, they want the censure to be over Iranian ballistic missile programs. So what's your take on the Zionist nuclear weapons program, Circe? Do tell, I'd love to hear your insightful analysis on the issue of ISREAELI NUCLEAR WEAPONS and how that plays into the whole Trump agenda. P.S. Do you support Amnesty for Israeli nuclear weapons whistleblower Morechai Vannunu? And what are you doing on the BDS issue with American universities? Here's another funny fact about Israel: when the U.S. can't directly support some psychotic dictatorship in Africa, for example Equatorial Guinea, they turn to Israel to provide the weapons and training. Which is what Obama's $38 billion program is all about, really, first keeping an eye on their nuclear weapons program, and two, ensuring that they keep playing their supporting role in Africa and the the GCC states.

But basically, like I keep trying to tell you, Israel is just a sideshow, they're not running the show. Why do you keep pounding the same PR theme over and over? It's like a broken record. And like I said, respond first with your insightful analysis of the Israeli nuclear weapons program, please.

Posted by: nonsense factory | Jan 22 2017 0:42 utc | 187

@ Posted by: nonsense factory | Jan 21, 2017 7:42:46 PM | 187

Your ID is most appropriate, one thinks. A no 'nonsense factory'! :)

Indeed, very germane, especially crucial questions to a wider understanding of the 'issues' ;)

Literally a treasure trove of DOCUMENTED Declassified records since shortly after WWII, at The National Security Archives:

Kennedy and Dimona: the First Two Years (1961-62)
Apr 21, 2016 ... To prevent the proliferation risk of an Israeli nuclear capability John F. ... Concerned About Nuclear Weapons Potential, John F. Kennedy ... Proliferation-Problem-1961-1962/

The NUMEC Affair: Was Nuclear Weapons Fuel Diverted to Israel?
Nov 2, 2016 ... The NUMEC Affair: Controversy over Possible Diversion of Weapons Grade Uranium to Israel During the 1960s. Israel/

The U.S. Discovery of Israel's Secret Nuclear Project
Apr 15, 2015 ... The U.S. Discovery of Israel's Secret Nuclear Project .... near Dimona in the Negev Desert that could give Israel a nuclear weapons potential.

'Israel and the Bomb' : Documents : The Battle over the NPT
For U.S. non-proliferation policy, Israel's signature on the NPT was an important objective. It meant that Israel renounced its nuclear weapons option. Israel ...

Israeli Nuclear History
More than sixty years have passed since Israel started its nuclear venture and almost half a century has elapsed since it crossed the nuclear weapons threshold .

'Israel and the Bomb'
"This was a difficult book for Avner Cohen to write. As an Israeli, he had to break the code of silence that surrounds the discussion of nuclear weapons in his ...

'Israel and the Bomb' : Documents : Dimona Revealed
In retrospect, the late 1950s might have been the only time that the United States could have successfully pressured Israel to give up its nuclear weapons project ...

Israel Crosses the Threshold II: The Nixon Administration Debates ...
Sep 12, 2014 ... Another important player in the Israeli nuclear weapons issue, Deputy Secretary of Defense and Hewlett-Packard co-founder David Packard, ...

Impact on U.S. Policies of an Israeli Nuclear Weapons Capability
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat
FROM: Henry Oweni?a SUBJECT: Impact on U.S. Policies of an Israeli. Nuclear Weapons Capability -. ACTION MEMORANDUM. The January 7 meeting of the ...

Israel Crosses the Threshold
Apr 28, 2006 ... Israel Crosses the Threshold. Senior Nixon Administration Officials Considered Confronting Israel over Nuclear Weapons in 1969 but President ...

Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10

And the above is only the first pasge results of ten pages on a search at for 'Israel Nuclear' ;)

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 22 2017 1:34 utc | 188

Trump has visited CIA HQ at Langley and told them he's "1000% behind you guys." Ironically, he also unleashed a strident anti-ISIS tirade whilst there. One could interpret his 1000% statement to mean "I'm keeping a very close watch on you assholes; every minute of every day..."

Trump's media flack has told the MSM that he's appalled at the dishonesty of their warped reporting of the Inauguration Day crowd turnout and put them on notice that accountability is a two-way street and they'll be held accountable for future disinfo.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 22 2017 1:52 utc | 189

Transcript to Trump's rambling, disjointed remarks at Langley,

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 22 2017 2:09 utc | 190

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 21, 2017 8:34:32 PM | 188

Gee. Why aren't I surprised that you're peddling another Zio-myth?
There are NO Israeli Nukes, Outraged. Even "Israelis" aren't dopey enough to get 200 Nukes and then pretend to be Existentially Fearful about Iran having less than 1.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 22 2017 2:11 utc | 191


Zionists want to punish Iran for whatever deterrence it endeavors; and no country is more justified in building its defenses than Iran that is always in the Empire's crosshairs. Why shouldn't it? It's a sovereign nation. Why is Iran less than any other country with advanced weapons systems?

What do you imagine I think about a bunch nukes in the hands of Zionist wackos squatting on territory illegally while committing crimes against the nation of people they stole the land from? Ever read Seymour Hersh's Samson Option? He puts my opinion mildly of just how insane they are. Well of course I support amnesty for Mordechai Vanunu. If anyone can become a champion of anti-Zionism; it would be him. He's been harassed and oppressed almost as much as Palestinians who regrettably are subject to a discriminatory legal system every day of their lives. Let's just say that on BDS; I'm trying to raise awareness everywhere and every chance I can on the threat of legislation that would criminalize it. I hope you realize that this is coming with the Trump Presidency. It appears there's nothing Trump won't do for his Zionist backers, sabotage U.N. Resolutions; now he can veto them and he assured Aipac he'd veto 100%. This is just one of many reasons to oppose Trump suborned by the cabal that installed him in power and please, don't try to convince me this is not what happened. Until Wall Street and Zionists can no longer buy politicians; there is no democracy and the people are imposed a choice between two sides of one coin.


Please don't remind me again that Trump wants to drain the swamp when his cabinet picks represent Wall Street/MIC/Zionism; as it defies reality and logic to hold on to that illusion. Thanks.

And no, I can't give it a rest until everyone works towards the only goal that will rid Washington of corruption which is contained in my last sentence to 187 nonsense factory. Trump is part of the corrupt system; he's a sham and he's not part of the solution except for the fact that he will trigger the movement to change things for real.

Posted by: Circe | Jan 22 2017 2:22 utc | 192

Transcript to Trump's rambling, disjointed remarks at Langley,
Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 21, 2017 9:09:10 PM | 190

Yep. Rambling is not inaccurate. But watch a clip of Trump delivering the ramble. He is LIVID.

Would an Apprentice fan care to express an opinion about Trump's Langley state of mind?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 22 2017 2:24 utc | 193

Sorry, I was responding to 184 in the second part, not 186.

Posted by: Circe | Jan 22 2017 2:28 utc | 194

@ Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 21, 2017 9:11:51 PM | 191

re a 'Myth'. Suggest READING the 100's upon 100's of Declassified docu going back ~66 years. A myth ? pfft! :(

Your assertion re your set-in-stone 'belief', weighed 'in the balance', as opposed to verified, documented, peer-reviewed, corroborated ... Evidence ?

Ever heard of Vannunu and his egregious treatment even after release ? As you previously advised, perhaps you should, 'Focus Hoarsewhisperer, focus' ...

Respectfully, can you offer anything other than assertion/opinion to back that up ? Myth ? Yeah, right ...

Would you like further references from the 'Federation of American Scientists', or the IAEA, or from UK or French archives, et al, perhaps ?

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 22 2017 2:30 utc | 195


One could interpret his 1000% statement to mean "I'm keeping a very close watch on you assholes; every minute of every day..."

How about when he said: "I'm gonna give you so much backing; you'll complain it's too much backing...blah-blah."?

Listen, rather than interpret and spin, think about what his goal really is with growing the CIA! Trust me; it ain't because it's necessary for getting ISIS, and this is worrisome.

Stop projecting what you wish he meant and think.

And I'm going to quote from my previous post what I believe he did today: Trump graduated from exposing media bias (which is okay) to now exploit the fact that people mistrust the media to deflect to them [the media] whatever deception he resorts to as President. This is a dangerous manipulation and fascist ruse.

Trump LIED when he stated the media created the conflict between him and the CIA. I posted one of the tweets in which he trashed the CIA. He trashed them more than once and not only on twitter. Now I don't disagree with trashing the CIA, they deserve it, but lying that the media somehow misinterpreted and fabricated a conflict where there was none is a BALD-FACED LIE. He's the one that picked a fight with the CIA because he didn't like their conclusions or what they leaked later.

Also, regarding the crowds at the Inauguration; Trump himself baits the media into proving him wrong when he exaggerates the facts. The truth is there weren't as many people there as in 2009 and 2013; so by exaggerating he in essence compelled the media to search out the facts. Why does he always describe things in superlatives as if he owns the lexicon on superlatives: the biggest, the greatest, the best and on and on and on? He begs for ridicule when he does this; and of course he's being deceptive. It's like he's selling used me; this is the best you can get, the engine is'll never find better, we are the greatest in town yada-ya.

He is his own worst enemy.

Posted by: Circe | Jan 22 2017 2:56 utc | 196

Respectfully, can you offer anything other than assertion/opinion to back that up?
Posted by: Outraged | Jan 21, 2017 9:30:05 PM | 195

Israel has never tested a Nuke.
And that's just one of the many steps along the path to Nuke-dom which EVERY Nuclear Power has undertaken, but Israel didn't.
Besides, Nukes are too limited in practical application. Their true value is deterrence and, given all the other horseshit "Israelis" believe, it's less than surprising that they'd believe an 'ambiguous' deterrent would be preferable to a real one.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 22 2017 3:00 utc | 197


Posted by: Circe | Jan 22 2017 3:04 utc | 198

Circe @192:

Let's just say that on BDS; I'm trying to raise awareness everywhere and every chance I can on the threat of legislation that would criminalize it.
I haven't seen you doing this.

Links? And add a link to BDS. That way they will know what you are doing for them.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 22 2017 3:06 utc | 199

Full text transcript:

President Trump Speaks at CIA Headquarters
By Quinta Jurecic
Saturday, January 21, 2017, 5:17 PM

The day after his inauguration, President Donald Trump addressed CIA employees at the Agency's headquarters. Video of his remarks is available below courtesy of The Washington Post, along with a transcript courtesy of CSPAN. We have also included notable responses to Trump's speech at the bottom of this post.


Although, they did treat me nicely on that speech yesterday [laughter].

I always call them “the dishonest media”, but they treated me nicely.


You know, the military, and the law-enforcement generally speaking, -- but, all of it -- but the military, gave us tremendous percentages of votes. We were unbelievably successful in the election with getting the vote of the military and probably almost everybody in this room voted for me, but I will not ask you to raise your hands if you did. [laughter]


We have to get rid of ISIS. We have to get rid of ISIS. We have no choice [applause]

Radical Islamic terrorism - and I said it yesterday - has to be eradicated. Just off the face of the Earth. This is evil. This is evil.


You’re going to go to it, and you’re going to do a phenomenal job. But we’re going to end it. It’s time. It’s time right now to end it.


The old expression: “to the victor belong the spoils” - you remember? You always used to say “keep the oil”. I wasn’t a fan of Iraq. I didn’t want to go into Iraq. But I will tell you. When we were in, we got out wrong.

And I always said: “In addition to that, keep the oil”.

Now I said it for economic reasons, but if you think about, Mike, if we kept the oil we would probably wouldn’t have ISIS, because that’s where they made their money in the first place. So we should have kept the oil.

But okay. [laughter] Maybe we’ll have another chance.


So I can only say that I am with you 1000%. And the reason you’re my first stop is that as you know, I have a running war with the media. They are among the most dishonest human beings on Earth. [laughter, applause]

And they sort of made it sound like I had a feud with the Intelligence Community. And I just want to let you know, the reason you’re the number 1 stop is exactly the opposite. Exactly. And they understand that too.


But this is how dishonest the media is: a big story. And the retraction was like -- was it a line? Or did they even bother putting it in?

So I only like to say that because I love honesty. I like honest reporting.


My, take is he's 'playing them', and sending a direct, polite reminder, of bared 'teeth' smile style, as to who is now CIC and Prez ... YMMV

Also includes WH Spokesman supplemental remarks/statement, and various 'comments' from the 'Globalist'(?) faction ...

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 22 2017 3:15 utc | 200

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