Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
January 04, 2017

The Enemy Du Jour Is Always Hacking

Three pieces in the same leading newspaper show how little changes with "hacking" stories when the powers-that-are decide that some country is now the "enemy."

1. By NYT staff reporter Erich Lichtblau: Increase in Electronic Attacks Leads to Warning on Hackers and U.S. Safety

Intelligence officials are concerned that a recent rise in electronic attacks against government and military computer networks in the United States may be the work of pro-[country] hackers and could signal a "potential crisis" in national security, according to a classified F.B.I. assessment.

The assessment, prepared last week by the National Infrastructure Protection Center at the Federal Bureau of Investigation, warned intelligence officials that the attacks, which have been relatively limited, are likely to grow more widespread and "more dangerous" as tension over a possible war against [country] grows.

American intelligence analysts say they have long been concerned by the notion that Al Qaeda could use computers to wage terror -- disrupting water treatment plants or nuclear facilities, for instance. Experts say the link between [country] and computer hacking may have been underestimated and poses a growing threat to United States security.

"[Country] is certainly among the places in the world that we think a cyberattack might well be launched from," Representative Robert E. Andrews of New Jersey, a Democrat on the House Armed Service Committee who has been active on cyberwarfare issues, said in an interview.

Mr. Andrews noted that computer attacks were difficult to trace and could be damaging, which he said met 's goals. "A cyberattack really fits [country]'s [leader] paradigm for attacking us," he said.

2. By NYT staff reporter Nicole Perlroth: Cyberespionage Attacks Tied to Hackers in [country]

SAN FRANCISCO — An elaborate, three-year cyberespionage campaign against United States military contractors, members of Congress, diplomats, lobbyists and Washington-based journalists has been linked to hackers in [country].

The campaign compromised the computers of some 2,000 victims and went unnoticed since 2011, according to a report to be released Thursday by iSight Partners, a computer security firm in Dallas.

American intelligence officials have long said [country]'s hackers are a serious threat, [..]
[L]ast year, American officials said [country] hackers were behind a wave of attacks on several American oil, gas and electricity companies,that officials described as probes looking for ways to disrupt critical processing systems.

3. By NYT staff reporter Erich Lichtblau: Computer Systems Used by Clinton Campaign Are Said to Be Hacked, Apparently by [country]

WASHINGTON — Computer systems used by Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign were hacked in an attack that appears to have come from [country]’s intelligence services, a federal law enforcement official said on Friday.

The apparent breach, coming after the disclosure last month that the Democratic National Committee’s computer system had been compromised, escalates an international episode in which Clinton campaign officials have suggested that [country] might be trying to sway the outcome of the election.
Clinton campaign officials have suggested that [leader] of [country] could be trying to tilt the election to Mr. Trump, who has expressed admiration for the [country]'s leader. But the campaign officials acknowledge that they have no evidence. The Trump campaign has dismissed the accusations about [country] as a deliberate distraction.

The first piece was published on January 17 2003, the country is Iraq and the leader is Saddam Hussein.

The second piece was published on May 29 2014, the country is Iran.

The third piece was published on July 29 2016, the country is Russia and the leader is Vladimir Putin.

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thanks b... at least they are consistent.. i guess this is where all that money for propaganda goes.. that and scare everyone who hasn't a brain left, that usa security is threatened..

ot - i see wikileaks has kerry admitting what has been discussed here many times.. this is from -
"In addition to admitting that he pushed for intervention in Syria, John Kerry admitted that the U.S. watched ISIS grow from afar in order to force Assad to negotiate with them; however, it would later backfire, as he welcomed Russian intervention against the terrorist group.

The audio was originally leaked to NY Times in late September. CNN, which is the source (( for the audio posted here, has since chosen to remove it."

Posted by: james | Jan 4 2017 19:56 utc | 1

Related article on how the "enemy du jour" is created, from Global Research:

Posted by: ben | Jan 4 2017 20:10 utc | 2

very nicely done. I am constantly amazed by your ability to see how TPTB spin their tales to us commoners.

What I don't yet understand is the writers of these pieces, do they prepare templates, or maybe there are already form letters which they then plug in the name of whoever needs to be presented in a bad light? Or do they actually believe what they write? I guess I need to believe the latter and assume they really are so shallow and unthinking.

Posted by: dan of steele | Jan 4 2017 20:12 utc | 3

Everybody (mostly) uses Microsoft Windows. That thing was designed to be hacked. There really is no question about this.

And my two stupid banks are constantly trying to get me to sign up for Internet banking. And my friends are constantly getting their accounts cleaned out by the hackers.

And they all are on Facebook and Twitter and Google Pus, and taking "antidepressants".

They say the lemming phenomenon is a myth, but obviously the human side of the metaphor is very real.

Posted by: blues | Jan 4 2017 20:13 utc | 4

Brilliant. Same shit different day.

Posted by: Gravatomic | Jan 4 2017 20:21 utc | 5

Posted by: blues | Jan 4, 2017 3:13:20 PM | 4

Designed for idiots. It comes with everything on, which most users aren't aware of. Whereas Linux/UNIX is you turn on what you need, build your own kernel and ignore the rest.

I'm pretty certain the majority of politicians and federal employees fall into this techno idiot category. Hillary Clinton is a shining example of this.

Posted by: Gravatomic | Jan 4 2017 20:26 utc | 6

Nicole Perlroth is clearly the go-to person when you need a hacking piece...

Posted by: dh | Jan 4 2017 20:28 utc | 7


Read through Robert Parry's article on perception management. He has another article somewhere at Consortium News based on the Reagan papers.

Posted by: Peter AU | Jan 4 2017 20:31 utc | 8

In the meantime, no outfit is engaged in more hacking of other countries than the NSA.

Posted by: telescope | Jan 4 2017 20:42 utc | 9

All I can say is that if it were not hacking or the russians, the democrats would blame reading 1984 or the wizard of Oz. Next it will be aliens.

FWIW: I have my own thoughts using a Vietnam analogy:The Elephant Grass of the Democratic Party -->

PS: Nicole Perlroth is qualified to be considered a hack - LMBAO

Posted by: Rawdawgbuffalo | Jan 4 2017 20:50 utc | 10

With the start of the US "pivot to Asia" (cornering and encroaching on China), China was also "hacking". Fortunately for China, Russia had a higher priority to antagonise, but this will change with Trump.

Posted by: xor | Jan 4 2017 21:45 utc | 11

# & 8 the second one has more on Ronnie-ray-gunn

Long but worth the time

Other crimes by the Amerikan govt. by Robert Parry

Posted by: jo6pac | Jan 4 2017 22:06 utc | 12

Dan @3 jo6pac @12

The other Parry article here

A while now since I read it but the basics of it - the US/CIA takeover of media after Vietnam. Murdoch was first in as an enthusiastic volunteer. I guess that is how he went from small time news rag to big time.

Posted by: Peter AU | Jan 4 2017 22:37 utc | 13

The NYT is the most ridiculous of all MSM. My hope is that Trump would kill it once for all!

Posted by: virgile | Jan 4 2017 22:46 utc | 14

Same sh**, different day at the NYT.

But because the NYT is not officially a state-owned enterprise, their functions on behalf of the powers that be in the Government/Wall Street/"Defense"/"Security" sectors pass as the efforts of a 'free press'.

Posted by: WorldBLee | Jan 4 2017 22:53 utc | 15

“John Kerry, in his speech, he described a reality of what would be in a ‘one-state’ scenario, the Palestinians would live in enclaves, and that they would be without rights – he was actually describing the situation of today! Why are you saying when it becomes a ‘one-state’? Today! Why in the future? Today!

Posted by: mauisurfer | Jan 4 2017 22:59 utc | 16

Blah, blah, blah. Jews, jews, jews. MSM=all joos jewing all the time.

The only power they possess is that which YOU give to them. Choose wisely.

"Free at last, free at last...Thank God Almighty. I'm free at last."

Posted by: Take Me | Jan 4 2017 23:27 utc | 17

Would Kerry have approved South Africa's Bantustan solution?
That's what Israel is offering at best.
Let Kerry advocate the One State Solution, right of return for all Pals implemented, a vote then held as to determine nature of government.
Why won't he?
The government would not be run by rabbinical law, that's why.

Posted by: truthbetold | Jan 5 2017 0:52 utc | 18

Schumer Maddow interview video

Posted by: Peter AU | Jan 5 2017 1:21 utc | 20

# 13

Correct isn't that how they all come into power? Sad

Posted by: jo6pac | Jan 5 2017 1:43 utc | 21



Posted by: jo6pac | Jan 5 2017 1:51 utc | 22

@9, telescope, 'In the meantime, no outfit is engaged in more hacking of other countries than the NSA.'

amen! that fact needs to be mentioned with every article on us 'hacking' accusations.

and the nsa is unsurpassed when it comes to spying, in other countries and at home as well.

not to mention internet assassinations and mass murders by drone.

the world's biggest, blackest, most felonious pot calling the misdemeanors of the skittles and kettles black.

not unlike the headline i just read of john brennan, the nobel peace prize laureate's murderous right hand man - or vice versa - in the serial death, devastation, and destruction of entire nations and regions of earth, charging russia with a 'scorched earth' policy in syria.

the guiltiest of miscreants - and their entrained tnc msm - are the first, second, third, and last to project their own crimes onto their 'enemies du jour'.

Posted by: jfl | Jan 5 2017 1:58 utc | 23

ZH cites WSJ:

Trump Is Working On A Plan To Restructure, Pare Back The CIA And America's Top Spy Agency

Just in case the accusations that president-elect Donald Trump is a puppet of the Kremlin, intent on destabilizing and weakening the US weren't loud enough, moments ago the WSJ assured these would hit an unprecedented level with a report that Trump, a harsh critic of U.S. intelligence agencies, is working with top advisers on a plan that would restructure and pare back the nation’s top spy agency, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, prompted by a belief that it has "become bloated and politicized." [.]

Top officials at U.S. intelligence agencies, as well as Republican and Democratic leaders in Congress, have said Russia orchestrated the computer attacks that hacked and leaked Democratic Party emails last year. President Barack Obama ordered the intelligence agencies to produce a report on the hacking operation, and he is expected to presented with the findings on Thursday.Russia has long denied any involvement in the hacking operation, though Mr. Putin has said releasing the stolen emails served a public service.

The heads of the CIA, Federal Bureau of Investigation, and Director of National Intelligence James Clapper are scheduled to brief Mr. Trump on the findings on Friday. Mr. Trump tweeted late Tuesday that this meeting had been delayed and suggested that the agencies still needed time to “build a case” against Russia.

White House officials said Mr. Trump will be briefed on the hacking report as soon as it is ready. White House officials have been increasingly frustrated by Mr. Trump’s confrontations with intelligence officials.

“It’s appalling,” the official said. “No president has ever taken on the CIA and come out looking good.[.]

In what some may see as a preemptive counter-coup against unfriendly elements, the WSJ notes that Trump shares the view of Flynn and Pompeo that the intelligence community’s position that Russians tried to help his campaign is an attempt to undermine his victory or say he didn’t win, the official close to the transition said.

Flynn will lead the White House’s National Security Council, giving him broad influence in military and intelligence decisions throughout the government. He is also a believer in rotating senior intelligence agencies into the field and reducing headquarters staff. [.]

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there is in history (circa 1962) another President who had a similar plan. Are the 4 Generals in Trump's cabinet enough?

Posted by: likklemore | Jan 5 2017 2:13 utc | 24

likklemore 24

Trump older and wiser in the ways of the world than JFK? Be interesting to see if Trump turns out the alpha male in the shark tank.

Posted by: Peter AU | Jan 5 2017 2:28 utc | 25

One can't help wondering how much of this unsubstantiated, half-baked alarmist conjecture can be attributed to Supremacist Remorse?

When the Judeo-Americans arranged to infect Iran's centrifuges with StuxNet it seemed like a good idea at the time. However, it also raised the bar on what can be regarded as 'acceptable' interference in computer-controlled infrastructure. So the perps of that crime should have realised that computer security, worldwide, is still very much a "work in progress" and it's only a matter of time before their cleverness comes back to haunt them.

There are some blunders that one just has no choice but to suck up and keep quiet about. But Yankees are addicted to the sound of their own pointless and asinine bluster and whingeing.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 5 2017 2:33 utc | 26

"Three Chinese citizens have been charged with trading on confidential corporate information that was obtained by hacking into the networks and servers of U.S. law firms, federal prosecutors said on Tuesday.
Iat Hong, a 26-year-old Macau resident, was arrested on Sunday in Hong Kong and charged along with Bo Zheng, of Changsha, China, and Chin Hung of Macau, with engaging in conspiracies to commit insider trading, wire fraud, and computer intrusion in an indictment filed in federal court in Manhattan.
Prosecutors said that beginning in April 2014, the trio obtained inside information by hacking two U.S. law firms and targeting the email accounts of partners at the firms who worked on high-profile mergers and acquisitions.
Using the information, the defendants bought shares of at least five publicly traded companies before announcements that they would be acquired, enabling them to make over $4 million in profits, prosecutors said." Fortune Magazine 12/27/16

Posted by: euclidcreek | Jan 5 2017 2:55 utc | 27

Wikileaks threathens to sue CNN after Assange is labeled a pedophile on-air by an ex-deputy director of the CIA. Me thinks we will hear more about #Pizzagate after Inauguration..

Posted by: Lozion | Jan 5 2017 3:19 utc | 28

Dan @ 3 & Peter AU @ 13 & all

Lets step back in time to - 1948, and start from there, shall we ...

Operation Mockingbird

Operation Mockingbird was a campaign by the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) to influence media in the US and internationally. It was reportedly organized as an independent office by Frank Wisner in 1948. After 1953, when Allen Dulles was appointed as head of the CIA, he took a strong role in overseeing the operation, which already had influence with 25 newspapers and wire agencies. The operation has been documented as operating at least during the 1950s, 1960s, and 1970s.

The unit recruited leading American journalists into a propaganda network to help present the CIA's views. It funded some student and cultural organizations and magazines as fronts. As it developed, it also worked to influence foreign media and political campaigns, in addition to activities conducted by other operating units of the CIA. The CIA's use of journalists continued unabated until 1973, when the program was scaled back. When George H.W. Bush was appointed as director of the CIA in 1976, the program of paying journalists for cooperation was announced to have ended. Their voluntary cooperation was encouraged.[1]

In 1966 Ramparts magazine published an article revealing that the National Student Association was funded by the CIA. It was the first time the agency was revealed to have interfered with US domestic activities. The United States Congress investigated the allegations and published a report in 1976.

Other accounts of these activities have also been published. The media operation was first called Mockingbird in Deborah Davis's 1979 book, Katharine the Great: Katharine Graham and The Washington Post.[2]...

Declassified docu:

The CIA's Family Jewels
Agency Violated Charter for 25 Years, Wiretapped Journalists and Dissidents, main page

The National Security Archives - 'The Family Jewels' - Project Mockingbird(PDF) pg 22

So, that was the the full Project Mockingbird ? - NO. The virtually total control and subversion of the core MSM ... We've been livin' in it's ever increasingly tight grip since the '50's.

Today it is so starkly blatant, that any rational free-thinker who can read, cannot help but see it lit up in neon lights.

Operation Mockingbird (the real - ongoing OP, since '48)

Operation Mockingbird, an illegal domestic CIA operation whose purpose was the manipulation of the mass media in the United States for the purpose of political propaganda, was first exposed in Davis' book. The manipulation was accomplished by the recruitment of the top owners, publishers, and/or editors of key organizations; sometimes just a single key person.[citation needed] Some of the organizations targeted were the New York Times, the Washington Post, the CBS television network and Time magazine. These were the most respected U.S. news organizations which other news media followed on important stories. These stories could either be killed or promoted for propaganda purposes. Philip Graham is alleged to have been a former CIA employee, and, as the owner of the Washington Post, one of the first to participate in the CIA operation ...

Here's a somewhat reasonable overview, numerous links, though now three years out of date:

What was Operation Mockingbird?

Beginning in the 1950s Operation Mockingbird was an initiative of the CIA to influence domestic and foreign media. It’s debatable whether this initiative was ever abandoned. Headed by Frank Wisner, Allen Dulles, Richard Helms, and Philip Graham (publisher of The Washington Post) the operation would come to include all the major press outlets.

You could get a journalist cheaper than a good call girl, for a couple hundred dollars a month.” – CIA operative discussing with Philip Graham, editor Washington Post, on the availability and prices of journalists willing to peddle CIA propaganda and cover stories. “Katherine The Great,” by Deborah Davis (New York: Sheridan Square Press, 1991)

- Operation Mockingbird – CIA influence on domestic and foreign media

Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty since 1949 ...

Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty (RFE/RL) is a United States government-funded broadcasting organization that provides news, information, and analysis to countries in Eastern Europe, Central Asia and the Middle East "where the free flow of information is either banned by government authorities or not fully developed".[3] RFE/RL is a 501(c)(3) corporation that receives U.S. government funding and is supervised by the Broadcasting Board of Governors, an agency overseeing all U.S. federal government international broadcasting services.[4] ...

Actually, just manufactured blatant propaganda previously restricted to outside the domestic US and it's territories. Not to be used as a source for the domestic MSM. However, prior to the NDAA of 2012, RFE/RL propaganda was fed into 'legitimate/semi-legitimate' foreign news services, and then picked up and reported on my the domestic media, to get around restrictions on domestic propaganda, how very Five-Eyes like. The NDAA of 2012 changed all that, with the Smith-Mundt amendment, and why all this #FakeNews (fucking raw propaganda folks) subsequently went into stratospheric overdrive ...

National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2013 & attached Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012

Several news outlets reported that the 2013 NDAA overturned a 64-year ban on the domestic dissemination of propaganda (described as "public diplomacy information") produced for foreign audiences, effectively eliminating the distinction between foreign and domestic audiences.[42][43][44][45] The social news media site BuzzFeed for example quoted an unnamed source saying the Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012 would allow “U.S. propaganda intended to influence foreign audiences to be used on the domestic population.”[44] ...

Ah, yet the Deep State must always incrementally turn the screws of societal and information control, ever tighter, hence:

But while the passage of the most recent NDAA 2016/2017 – and the funding of the US military – was hardly a surprise, the biggest news is what was buried deep inside the provisions of the latest Defense Authortization Act.

2017 NDAA: Obama Signs “Countering Disinformation and Propaganda Act”
December 25, 2016 By News Line

21st Century Wire says…

In typical NDAA signing fashion, Obama signed the 2017 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) quietly and with little fan fare as Americans are distracted by the mholiday festivities. What dirty tricks can we expect to see in the 2017 NDAA? Coming from the policy makers that struck down the Smith Mundt Act and legalized indefinite detention of Americans in past iterations, we’re sure it can’t be benign this year.

The Hypocrisy of legalizing propaganda (overturning the Smith Mundt Act) then creating an act to counter propaganda: What are we to make of this new “Countering Disinformation and Propaganda Act” included in the 2017 National Defense Authorization Act? The politicians and the mainstream media outlets have shown their cards yet again with a massive contradiction in policy.

In one iteration of the NDAA policy makers overturn Smith Mundt thereby legalizing state sponsored propaganda to be used on the citizens of the United States and in the latest iteration we see the NDAA include an act to counter disinformation and propaganda. We can easily make the connection that in the wake of the “Fake News” hash tag war that has been unleashed upon independent media, with FaceBook partnering with government sponsored “Fact Checking” sites and algorithms being put in place to remove so-called “Fake News” from social media feeds, that this latest addition to the NDAA does not bode well for independent media and has massive potential to be abused for political purposes.


Recall that as we reported in early June, “a bill to implement the U.S.’ very own de facto Ministry of Truth had been quietly introduced in Congress. As with any legislation attempting to dodge the public spotlight the Countering Foreign Propaganda and Disinformation Act of 2016 marks a further curtailment of press freedom and another avenue to stultify avenues of accurate information. Introduced by Congressmen Adam Kinzinger and Ted Lieu, H.R. 5181 seeks a “whole-government approach without the bureaucratic restrictions” to counter “foreign disinformation and manipulation,” which they believe threaten the world’s “security and stability.”

Also called the Countering Information Warfare Act of 2016 (S. 2692), when introduced in March by Sen. Rob Portman, the legislation represents a dramatic return to Cold War-era government propaganda battles ...

Come and get it, come and get it ...

Get your White, Black & grey propaganda now, on a 24hour news cycle

White propaganda is propaganda which truthfully states its origin.[1][2] It is the most common type of propaganda. It generally comes from an openly identified source, and is characterized by gentler methods of persuasion than black propaganda (which purports to come from the opposite side to that which actually produced it) and grey propaganda (which has no identifiable source or author). It typically uses standard public relations techniques and one-sided presentation of an argument, but in some languages the word "propaganda" does not have a negative connotation. A more accurate translation of the word "propaganda" from Russian, for example, would be "promotion" of an opinion or argument. Jacques Ellul, in one of the major books on the subject of propaganda, Propaganda: The Formation of Men's Attitudes, mentions white propaganda as an acknowledgment of the awareness of the public of attempts being made to influence it. In some states there is a Ministry of Propaganda, for instance; in such a case, one admits that propaganda is being made, its source is known, and its aims and intentions are identified.[3] Throughout the course of a propaganda campaign, however, white propaganda may serve as a cover for black propaganda when the propagandist seeks to mask the latter.

Turn the page & just move on. Always Look forwards, never look back. Forget ... forget ... forget ...

Same as it ever was ...

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 5 2017 3:24 utc | 29

@ Peter AU 25

This exercise is barking at the wrong animal. Russia is not Grenada or Iraq. It appears there is a bitter war a foot inside the shadow deep state. The anti-Trump insurgency continues - the stop Trump movement includes Rhinos and Democritins.

Oddly, during the Primaries last summer, Newt Gingrich in an interview on FoxNews, was asked why the anti-Trump campaign? Newt replied, “ because Trump did not join the secret society….he did not go through the initiation.”

Former UK Ambassador Craig Murray took ownership and he is dismissed – it was insider Leaks, not hacking.

"Exit Obama in a Cloud of Disillusion, Delusion and Deceit "

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Clearly, Trump is a threat to those who prefer the status-quo.
Hmmm. He is not owned by anyone but may be co-opted. And if he can't be co-opted, what then !?

Posted by: likklemore | Jan 5 2017 3:36 utc | 30

@ likklemore | Jan 4, 2017 10:36:07 PM | 30

Hmmm. He is not owned by anyone but may be co-opted. And if he can't be co-opted, what then !?

IF Trump is legitimate, yes, he will be at War with the Deep State ... IF he follows thru ... IF that were to be the case, he and his administration either dismantles or suborns it (an insurmountable herculean feat, in defiance of the entirety of US history, if without bloodshed), or they kill him/remove him, and Pence is POTUS, and all is well again ... or is it all just Kabuki theater for our consumption & entertainment ... as post-election factions re-align and co-coalesce, within what fronts for the Deep State as an actual one party government facade, with two suborned, marginally different factions (Parties ?!) taking turns re limited governence, within it ?

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 5 2017 3:51 utc | 31

Co-opted? Americans allow themselves to be co-opted because the only truly real AmeriKKKan value is to get something for nothing. Thus, co-opting works. Toss a little money, or at least perceived money/wealth, into the pot and all those so-called American values dissipate. Smoke and mirrors are more substantive that the values AmeriKKKans claim.

Posted by: rg the lg | Jan 5 2017 4:00 utc | 32

Can someone give me a good enough reason as to why critical infrastructure needs Internet presence? Aside from the bean counter desire to fire as much labour as possible and manage more and more from data centres?

Posted by: P walker | Jan 5 2017 4:32 utc | 33

@ telescope | Jan 4, 2017 3:42:23 PM | 9

In the meantime, no outfit is engaged in more hacking of other countries than the NSA.

Actually its the entire planet of Terra, in full co-operation and co-ordinated active partnership with the other four members of the Five-Eyes (Of 'Most privileged Vassal State' - status):

United Kingdom - GCHQ, Australia - ASD, Canada - CSE, & New Zealand - GCSB.

Then we have the second tier of less privileged, suborned, vassal states, being the 2nd tier partners of the wider, Nine-Eyes supra-national global intelligence, Deep State:

The Intelligence services of, Denmark, France, the Netherlands and Norway.

Each always so very helpful fulfilling the Empires aims, and providing political cover and operational services, re Ukraine, MH17, the entire Middle East, and individuals declared an 'Enemy of the State', such as Julian Assange, etc.

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 5 2017 5:03 utc | 34


I think you have to live in USArya to understand what's going on, certainly it helps to have lived inside the Beltway and been a chess player in college. Let me explain: "Pivot to Asia" has nothing to do with Asia, per se, other than finding a boogeyman poster child in China, to massively grow US arms production. Won't you please help?!"

Trump-Obama-Bush-Clinton-Bush-Reagan...go back as far as Carter if you want, when Zbigniew Brezinzksi and the CIA took over Mil.Gov. It has a long history from JFK to today, of assassinating the USAryan people for war profits. Everything is just a marketing ploy, 'Russia Hacking' is just the European variant of P2A. used to post their $B burn rate winners every day. I think that's been firewalled by Trump now, they're cloaking up, going stealth mode, like Trump's 'The Wall', another poster child for the Mil.Gov massive increase in Department of ZHomeland Conspiracy, already passed and approved, but held up under the old Congress, a $T program giving DHS UNLIMITED IDIQNB powers to buy or lease buildings and land, build SuperMax prisons in every State, then hire mercenary contractor (former military) prison guards, deputies, prosecutors and tribunal judges, so that the Mil.Gov always have employment for life, and lots and lots of six-figure TS-SCI clearance opportunities to Be All You Can Be.

I know it's difficult to grok for Europeans, but 1998 WAS the financial soft coup and 2001 WAS the military hard coup and 2008 WAS the destruction of the US Treasury, and 2011, aka 'The Bailout' was the wholly illegal in plain daylight transfer of $TRILLIONS in public wealth to private offshore bank accounts.

"I can't tell you where all the money went." Benhamin

Rodham and Trump were two faces of the same coin, the next grinding crunch down of perpetual interest-only debt. All stocks and all those high-rises are all paid for with debt, and just like China, they will all turn to shit, but Mil.Gov will shine through with P2A, R2P, TW, and whatever other bullshit they need for an all modernized nuclear missile program, all modernized nuclear bomber program, all modernized nuclear submarine program, all modernized figher program, all modernized aircraft carrier program, and fuck Aunt Elsie and Mom and Pop on their SS and MC.

This is our 21stC slow-motion Apocalypse, and anyone who says it isn't is a troll, or a mole, or rip van winkle, or on the Mil.Gov gravy train. Whooo, whooo, all aboard, because if you don't you'll starve or end up in a SuperMax cell. Those are your choices. Or give blood for rent, I guess, that's a choice. Or blow jobs, prolly makes moar, faster, and it's all about burn rate now, isn't it?!

On to Tehran for the One Party of Mil.Gov!!!
Make A Great Apocalypse! MAGA! MAGA!!

Posted by: chipnik | Jan 5 2017 5:09 utc | 35

In a couple of weeks 'The Donald' will show us by his actions if he is for real or not.

All the world’s a stage,
And all the men and women merely players;
They have their exits and their entrances,
And one man in his time plays many parts, etc., etc.

Posted by: ALberto | Jan 5 2017 5:48 utc | 36

@ 35:
yes indeed, chipnik, but WWI - II was the good war and WilsonRoosevelt were a giant among men of integrity.

On to Tehran:

Five Ways for Trump to Put Tehran on Notice
The new administration can renegotiate the Iran nuclear deal from a position of strength.
Michael Mukovsky, JINSA, [the same crowd that brought you Iraq]

“A proven necessary ingredient in dealing with Iran is a credible military threat. . . .

First, instruct the Pentagon to update contingency plans for the use of force against Iran, including its nuclear facilities, especially in the event of a significant violation of, or withdrawal from, the nuclear agreement. This will communicate a new robust posture and prepare for what might be necessary.

Second, change the rules of engagement for U.S. naval vessels in the Persian Gulf. Provocative Iranian forces should no longer be tolerated . . .but instead, as Mr. Trump stated in his first debate with Hillary Clinton, “shot out of the water.” The U.S. cannot hesitate to do this when the first such situation arises, as it certainly will. This will demonstrate credible resolve to Iran and other global powers, and it should contribute to improved Iranian behavior regionally as well as toward the agreement.

Third, boost the anti-Iran regional coalition. Instead of alienating traditional regional allies as Mr. Obama has done, we must embrace them and collaborate closely. This includes unapologetically supporting the Saudi-led coalition . . .

Fourth, announce plans to establish a regional missile-defense system—to include Israel and U.S. allies in the Persian Gulf and Eastern Europe, building on the ample infrastructure already in place. . . .

Fifth, and more challenging, undercut the Iranian crescent forming from Tehran to Beirut. Iran dominates the capitals of Iraq and Syria, [according to Tom Cotton, Iran even has the effrontery to dominate Tehran -ed] both failed [Iraq and Syria were not failed until G H W Bush started the ball rolling w/ invasion of Iraq, to "make a new world order"] artificial, multiethnic states created from the Ottoman Empire after World War I [unlike the pariah single-ethnic zionist state created from Ottoman empire after WWI]. The U.S. should double down on the post-World War I focus on self-determination and support new political entities that are emerging. In Iraq, that starts with an independent Kurdish state and stationing a U.S. military base there. [nothing says self-determination better than US military parked at your front door] In Syria, work toward creating Sunni, Alawite and Kurdish entities that could check each other perhaps as part of a confederation [ to prove lessons have been learned from artificially creating states in other people's cultures and lands].

Posted by: Croesus | Jan 5 2017 6:05 utc | 37

Hey @chipnick 35

What do you do for fun while hiding in a hole under that rock? or is this the extent of it?

Cheer up mate, Trumps now your new president, Happy New year Eh!

Posted by: RayB | Jan 5 2017 6:36 utc | 38

In other media news ... perfidious Albion's taxpayer license funded State propaganda service and often competent creator of comedy, is getting a right royal shellacking for airing it's latest comedy offering, 'Real Housewives of ISIS' ?! (This article is NOT SATIRE!)

BBC comedy sketch 'Real Housewives of ISIS' blasted for 'trivialising' plight of jihadi brides
Many viewers horrified by choice of women living under brutal Islamic State regime as topic to be made fun of.

One of the characters comes in modelling a suicide vest as if it's a new outfit.

A friend says "Oh babe, you look gorgeous!" before turning to the camera and adding: "She looked massive. You’re gonna need a lot of Semtex to kill that one."

In another scene, a character called Afsana says "It's only three days to the beheading, and I've no idea what I'm going to wear."

So, the longstanding State propaganda arm, the BBC, is now producing this crap ?

The same state that has spent over a $Billion dollars creating, supporting and managing the Jihadi's propaganda campaigns ? Whilst also assisting the Empire in training, supporting and arming them, as well as co-ordinating and supplying intelligence ? Whilst militarily participating in the Empire sham coalition, avoiding attacking ISIS, whilst managing to repeatedly attack Syrian forces, allies and Syrian civilian infrastructure ...

Can we now expect similar shows to appear in the US, Canada, Australia & New Zealand, if considered successful ?

'... to say who was fighting whom at any given moment, would have been utterly impossible, since no written record, and no spoken word, ever made mention of any other alignment than the existing one. At this moment, for example, in 1984 (if it was 1984), Oceania was at war with Eurasia and in alliance with Eastasia. In no public or private utterance was it ever admitted that the three powers had at any time been grouped along different lines. Actually, as Winston well knew, it was only four years since Oceania had been at war with Eastasia and in alliance with Eurasia. But that was merely a piece of furtive knowledge, which he happened to possess because his memory was not satisfactorily under control. Officially the change of partners had never happened. Oceania was at war with Eurasia: therefore Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia. The enemy of the moment always represented absolute evil, and it followed that any past or future agreement with him was impossible. (1.3.16)'
- George Orwell, 1984

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 5 2017 6:44 utc | 39

Why Washington is waging a global war on cash

The business interests of the US-companies that dominate the gobal IT business and payment systems are an important reason for the zeal of the US-government in its push to reduce cash use worldwide, but it is not the only one and might not be the most important one. Another motive is surveillance power that goes with increased use of digital payment. US-intelligence organizations and IT-companies together can survey all international payments done through banks and can monitor most of the general stream of digital data. Financial data tends to be the most important and valuable.

Even more importantly, the status of the dollar as the worlds currency of reference and the dominance of US companies in international finance provide the US government with tremendous power over all participants in the formal non-cash financial system. It can make everybody conform to American law rather than to their local or international rules. German newspaper Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung has recently run a chilling story describing how that works (German). Employees of a Geran factoring firm doing completely legal business with Iran were put on a US terror list, which meant that they were shut off most of the financial system and even some logistics companies would not transport their furniture any more. A major German bank was forced to fire several employees upon US request, who had not done anything improper or unlawful.

There are many more such examples. Every internationally active bank can be blackmailed by the US government into following their orders, since revoking their license to do business in the US or in dollars basically amounts to shutting them down. Just think about Deutsche Bank, which had to negotiate with the US treasury for months whether they would have to pay a fne of 14 billion dollars and most likely go broke, or get away with seven billion and survive. If you have the power to bankrupt the largest banks even of large countries, you have power over their governments, too. This power through dominance over the financial system and the associated data is already there. The less cash there is in use, the more extensive and secure it is, as the use of cash is a major avenue for evading this power.

Posted by: denk | Jan 5 2017 6:56 utc | 40

When I visited the United States in 1980 I noticed that the typical graffiti in public toilets spelled NUKE IRAN.

When I again visited USA in 1994 I noticed that the graffiti had changed to NUKE IRAQ.

I wonder what the graffiti du jour is? NUKE ASSAD? NUKE PUTIN? NUKE RUSSIA?

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jan 5 2017 8:12 utc | 41

The other regular media tactic these days is to associate any political group that goes against the establishment consensus with Putin, regardless of how tenuous the link is or what their ideology may be.

Brexit was made out to be "Putins dream" and an MP has claimed Russia meddled in the referendum.
Corbyn and Farage hav been said to be Russian sympathisers for appearing on RT.
The whole Trump debacle.
Both right wing French President candidates are said to be "Putinists".
Hungarian nationalists are supposedly working hand in hand with Putin.
Merkel has claimed Russia are going to meddle in German elections.

And today the Italian Five Star movement has been hit with the same smear by the Guardian for having the temerity to oppose EU sanctions.

Posted by: Bob | Jan 5 2017 8:12 utc | 42

The Enemy Du Jour Is Always WMD as well. Saddam, Gaddafi, Iran, and of course, "Assad gassed his own people." Now Assad even poisoned his own water supply to Damascus :) This evil evil guy, what "civilized" West should do about him, eh?

Posted by: Harry | Jan 5 2017 8:31 utc | 43

@Petri Krohn #41:

I wonder what the graffiti du jour is? NUKE ASSAD? NUKE PUTIN? NUKE RUSSIA?

Fuck Obama, Hillary, and Paul Ryan.

Posted by: Adalbrand | Jan 5 2017 9:45 utc | 44

Posted by: dh | Jan 4, 2017 3:28:11 PM | 7
Nicole Perlroth is clearly the go-to person when you need a hacking piece...

echo ${perlroth_headlines[@]} | grep -v -e "hack" -e "attack"

Posted by: radiator | Jan 5 2017 11:52 utc | 45

Everything is just a marketing ploy

Does anyone remember what happened to the so-called ‘Peace Dividend’? The demise of the Soviet Union was supposed to usher in a new era of scaled back spending on the military with a concomitant redirection of funds into social programs and reduced levels of taxation. The gov’t and MIC were reduced to flailing about, looking for any justification to maintain if not increase spending on the military. They, in all seriousness, began throwing out such outlandish gems as ’the technological sophistication of the Third World’ as pretext for continued maintenance of the existing military budget.

And so it goes.

Posted by: pantaraxia | Jan 5 2017 12:12 utc | 46

@Chipnik 35: You left out a critical factor: the US, along with all the rest of the Pampered Twenty Percent of the world's people, is heading down the tubes of what JMGreer calls 'The Long Descent', and JHKunstler calls 'The Long Emergency'.

The much-denied, but entirely real crisis of climate shift, along with several other global emergencies which, together, can be called the Synergising Global Crises, are *already* enforcing the beginning of a long withdrawal from hitech industrial 'civilisation'. Why else do you suppose that global capitalism is in such an intractable crisis? Because the Crises have put a permanent end to economicgrowthforever. Moreover, the Crises are geophysical processes, over which humankind have scant-to-no technological control - even if collectively we could muster the psychological gumption to attempt it; which clearly we can't.

As the moron Bush said: "This mutha is going down..." Whatever delusions we choose to believe, whatever too-little-to-late local/regional counter-measures we may - or more likely, may not - take, we are heading into a future very unlike the science-fiction hitechery dreams that are still so popular now, amongst the devotees of the Great God PROGRESS. That's to say, a future where complex, Earth-costly technotoys will be in ever shorter supply, until they vanish altogether into a half-remembered pre-history of the future.

That being so (as all the soberly-realistic reading of current trends indicators show plainly that it is), what chance of realworld realisation has the current nightmare vision of a hitech police-state oppressing all the common citizens of the world, for ever? Not much, I fancy. And certainly not for long, even in places where it does get going for a short while (hint: the declining-and-falling empire of Amerikka...). And thank heaven for that!

Posted by: Rhisiart Gwilym | Jan 5 2017 13:49 utc | 47

@46 pantaraxia. "what happened to the so-called ‘Peace Dividend’?"

the 'plan for a new american century' boys addressed that at length in their Rebuilding Americas's Defenses. we've been living through their 'solution' to that 'problem' for the past 15 years.

Posted by: jfl | Jan 5 2017 15:04 utc | 48

Outraged @29 wrote about...

Operation Mockingbird, an illegal domestic CIA operation whose purpose was the manipulation of the mass media in the United States for the purpose of political propaganda...

How does the West control its journalists today? Here is how:

Mary Louise Kelly (@NPRKelly) on Twitter

Three different CIA & Pentagon forwarded me this piece this weekend. A sharp, unsettling read.

The article shared by this well connected NPR journalist "voluntarily cooperating" with the CIA is by Molly K. McKew in Politico. It can be best described as a call for a new Cold War.

Putin’s Real Long Game - MOLLY K. MCKEW January 01, 2017

What both administrations fail to realize is that the West is already at war, whether it wants to be or not. It may not be a war we recognize, but it is a war. This war seeks, at home and abroad, to erode our values, our democracy, and our institutional strength; to dilute our ability to sort fact from fiction, or moral right from wrong; and to convince us to make decisions against our own best interests.

Those on the Russian frontier, like my friends from Ukraine and Estonia, have already seen the Kremlin’s new toolkit at work. The most visible example may be “green men,” the unlabeled Russian-backed forces that suddenly popped up to seize the Crimean peninsula and occupy eastern Ukraine. But the wider battle is more subtle, a war of subversion rather than domination. The recent interference in the American elections means that these shadow tactics have now been deployed – with surprising effectiveness – not just against American allies, but against America itself...

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jan 5 2017 16:02 utc | 49

For those who thought that the GWOT had supplanted the RED MENACE, and that the RUSSIAN THREAT had ended, the joke is on you. More WAR, increased WAR, Expanded WAR is needed immediately, if not sooner. Burned out on the GWOT and its False Flag Attacks? - get back on the RED Scare now. Sign up your sons and daughters now. USA USA

Posted by: fastfreddy | Jan 5 2017 16:12 utc | 50

Like others apparently, I'm sitting back, waiting and watching to see what the deal is with Trump. Interesting that he claims to be taking on the CIA. Whether he actually does something of value is the question to be answered. And then, IF Trump actually "does something" to/with the CIA, then what? We all know what happened to JFK. Trump is alleged to have his own security forces surrounding him. Good idea! But is that enough?

So stay tuned kiddies...

As to the so-called Peace Dividend mentioned by others, above?? It went to the same place that the Iraqi Oil Dividend - so lavishly promised by W to all US citizens a while back. All those so-called dividends only ever go to the super rich and very well connected. No proles need apply.

Posted by: RUKidding | Jan 5 2017 16:25 utc | 51

hi dan of steele @3, it is just ‘memes’, ‘hacking’ by the enemy du jour is a buzz, the same-old, etc. Accusations of hacking are neat, because they can always be true, in the sense of never proved false! (As everyone ‘hacks’ all the time and who knows who hacks what, my guess is all of it all the time, but what is made public is another matter..) It is an open avenue, nay boulevard. At the same time, it is an admission of weakness, as in ‘we’ accuse the opponents of nefarious actions which we can’t really substantiate or track, it is just so, but our paranoia and reactive belligerent stance is justified. Info war, failing.

blues @4, — same experience. One acquaintance (single mom not rich) had 2K euros ripped off, and had to apply for legal aid! - time, stress, trouble - to get re-imbursed. Another had small sums (under 5 dollars) removed periodically, like 3x a week, for months, she didn’t notice because \total/ seemed OK. (This is a common scam, I asked my banker about it.) Bank never bothered about what was going on, she had to open a new account with all the charges that come with. Yet another had his account summarily closed and sequestered pending investigation (etc.) because of ‘suspicious withdrawals’ which he of course hadn’t made. (Scammers from supposed ‘terrorism’ places, etc.)

Posted by: Noirette | Jan 5 2017 16:25 utc | 52

Trump will not reach out to Russia,
I think we should stop believing Trump and Russia will make peace,
the hysteria is going on 24/7 now, new reports, briefings etc will be made - media cold warriors are nuts for real, sorry but Trump will bow down for sure, we are dealing with crazy people with a blood lust.

Rather we should prepare how the enemy relationsship Russia/US will develop under Trump/Russia.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 5 2017 16:25 utc | 53

I agree with chipnik about the slow motion doom, whether environmental devastation, or nuclear, or both. There's nowhere else to go. However, whatever Trump ends up being, or if still, the story of the day is still that from health care to Russia, there seems to be two conflicting approaches which are at odds with each other, and apocalypse or not I'm curious to see where that is going. I wouldn't be willing to throw bones into the air to look into the future though.

Posted by: Geoff | Jan 5 2017 16:33 utc | 54

The main stream media has lost all credibility. That is if it ever had any. And if it did have some it is and was undeserved. What remains now is BDS of the Main Stream Media. They need to be ignored. Let us not give them a single click? Or are you afraid you will miss out on their lies, omissions and distortions?
At the same time we need to strengthen the alternative media and give them our attention, support and money instead.

Posted by: Nitupsar | Jan 5 2017 16:36 utc | 55

- Julian Assange gave an interview to Sean Hannity (january 3, 2017)

(Keep in mind: Hannity works for FOX News, the TV station that was the main propagandist for Trump)


Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 5 2017 16:53 utc | 56

- Julian Assange also gave an interview to John Pilger. (Published on Russia Today)

Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 5 2017 16:58 utc | 57

While it has lost all credibility to a number of individuals, and it should be so, The MSM has NOT lost all credibility. Many millions - a majority - believe and base their opinions on what they see and hear from the MSM.

They believe, due to cognitive dissonance, lack of intelligence, laziness, preoccupation, team spirit, cult of personality, in-group/out-group behavior, and for other reasons.

Posted by: fastfreddy | Jan 5 2017 17:08 utc | 58

I'm going to use Clapper's own use of a well-known saying against the entire Washington establishment and yes, Trump, as well:

People who live in glass houses need to think about throwing rocks.

The U.S. together with Zionists introduced Stuxnet into the Iranian system that caused financial loss and created mass interruption and disruption; therefore inducing a justified tit for tat situation. Iranian sovereignty was attacked through cyber and any country whose sovereignty is breached has a right to retaliate.

The U.S. led by Zionists has meddled in Iranian elections repeatedly causing extreme hardship, fatalities and chaos with such illegal intervention. The U.S. led by Zionists supported Saddam Hussein with intelligence, logistics and weaponry in his war against Iran. Iran is surrounded by U.S. military bases that are a clear, present and ongoing threat to Iran's security and sovereignty.

The U.S. led by Zionists has conducted all kinds of joint military operations with countries demonstrating hostility towards China. The U.S. supports groups intending to subvert the Chinese government. The U.S. conducts aggressive espionage against China. The Trump administration is making threats to take an even more hostile position against China. China is surrounded by U.S military bases that are a clear, present and ongoing threat to its security and sovereignty.

The U.S. led by Zionists has meddled in Russian elections and the Russian political and financial systems repeatedly. The U.S. meddled in Ukraine, supports a regime hostile to Russia and the Russian people and conducts military operations with countries hostile to Russia in proximity of the Russian border, and has surrounded Russia with the clear, present and ongoing threat of Nato.

The U.S. has meddled in the political systems of many countries, inciting coups and installing dictators creating suffering and destruction for the people of those countries.

The U.S. led by Zionists is on an imperial, expansionist quest for global superiority and domination and intends to maintain total hegemony over the rest of the world using military and financial tyranny and Trump will continue this mission and is more subservient to Zionism than any other President to date.

The U.S. led by Zionists is not a model of democracy, human rights and the rule of law. The U.S. has diminished the rights of its citizens substantially in the past 15 years or more. It spies on its own citizens and controls and prowls the internet subverting freedom of speech and is intending to crush activism. The U.S. has one justice for whites and another for black people and minorities and this will worsen under a Trump, Republican-led governance.

The U.S. has a two-party government that monopolizes the political system as it is fully suborned therefore rigged by Zionists to move foreign policy in the right direction aligned with Zionism. The U.S. renders/kidnaps and tortures prisoners of war and imprisons them in extra-judicial limbo. The U.S. conducts extra-judicial attacks and assassinations breaching the sovereignty of other nations repeatedly. The U.S. is bringing back torture with a Trump Presidency. The U.S. has one of the worst human rights records in the world in regards to its own citizenry and also committing war crimes in illegal wars and proxy wars and assisting and supporting countries like Israel, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and others who also rank among the worst human rights offenders.

This is all the tip of the iceberg. The U.S. is led by Zionists and it doesn't matter which puppet they install from the two-party system they own; nothing will change.

The U.S. led by Zionists is a giant glass house of hypocrisy and throws a whole lot of rocks at nations it doesn't like.

Posted by: Circe | Jan 5 2017 17:28 utc | 59

to several posters:

Trump will make ‘friends’ (degree, method etc. to be seen) with Russia and massive fossil fuel deals between US-Russia-other will arise. (Tillerson > Exxon-Mobil boss.) I have said this before. Infrastructure, prospection (watch for Antartica, etc.) too. Space as well.

Secondly, the partnership or relative détente > Russia will see to it that the two most powerful *nukulear* countries control others, with Russia a a ‘junior’ partner, the US on top, or that is the Trump plan. Pakistan and the like, out of luck. Remains to be seen what Russia’s stance will be. Embracing, jubilant for now…!

If the US under Trump continues bloody invasions, attacks, the usual US MO, the next target will be Saudi Arabia.

Muslim terrorists, bad. Bad, bad, people. (made up quote typical Trump.) Muslims need to be vetted, we need whatever, i.e. Whababism to be targeted soon..

KSA is on the skids (shrinking money reserves, dumb war - Yemen - no alternative to oil revenues, no effficient army to speak of, population near explosion point…) yet it still has consequent oil reserves.

—Some speculative, predictive thoughts.

Posted by: Noirette | Jan 5 2017 17:42 utc | 60

Noirette -

What about first and foremost the actual approval of Tillerson? You dont think democrats or even republicans will stop him/Trumps approach on Russia?

Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 5 2017 17:45 utc | 61

@ fasfreddy 58

That's the crux of it :(

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 5 2017 17:49 utc | 62

Would anyone know if Mr Eric Lichtblau is in any way related to Mr John H Lichtblau?

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Jan 5 2017 18:08 utc | 63

@ 61. idk about the official 'approval' etc. of tillerson, just it's the music of the future and will most likely come to pass, might be in some other form.

the dems of couse will object to everything and anything, as putin made them "lose the election" --bwaahh. but that is now the past, the dems accusations were only bruited to keep some supporters on board, all except the sheeples knows it is fakelorum obfuscation.

so, NO, no stops, neither dems / reps (fake duopoly) will obstruct, or object with vigor, or successfully.

Posted by: Noirette | Jan 5 2017 18:16 utc | 64

@ Noirette 60

Re Al-Saud, certainly. See my post in previous thread. The legislation passed undermining sovereign immunity in order to pursue unilateral arbitrary sanctions on SA demonstrates the utter loss of influence buying by SA and lays the groundwork for stabbing house of Al-Saud in the back ... Past vassal status means naught ... See events subsequent Iraq (Proxy) - Iran war 80-88, then 180 degree turnabout prior Gulf war I and betrayal/hanging of former loyal agent/puppet Saddam & destruction of Iraq ...

Same shit, different century/year/month/week/day, ever since Plymouth Rock

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 5 2017 18:27 utc | 65

@30 likklemore "because Trump did not join the secret society….he did not go through the initiation.”
Do you have the source on this or more details? If true, could be a good indication that Trump may be really trying to Drain the Swamp..

Posted by: Lozion | Jan 5 2017 18:41 utc | 66

^ Why would US overthrow useful Saudi regime? It only happens when puppet turns against its master (Saddam) or outgrows its usefulness (Mubarak). Saudis do what US wants them to do, so what would be the point? And if Saudis become democracy, then they just might become friends of Iran and Syria. Thats a nightmare for USrael.

Posted by: Harry | Jan 5 2017 18:43 utc | 67

@ Noisette 64

Most probable ... yet Trump is assuradely an unsanctioned outsider, if not mere Kabuki theater and if he were to causes trouble, he'll be whacked. Obvious why Pence was installed as vice Pres ... forward/contingency planning. Deep State has openly publicly xplicitly warned Trump and his faction members re challenging the intelligence community re 'they can get back at you six ways from sunday' on live broadcast.

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 5 2017 18:46 utc | 68

You don't "Drain The Swamp" by installing a Swamp Creature at every position.

Posted by: fastfreddy | Jan 5 2017 18:47 utc | 69


Trump will make ‘friends’ (degree, method etc. to be seen) with Russia and massive fossil fuel deals between US-Russia-other will arise. (Tillerson > Exxon-Mobil boss.) I have said this before. Infrastructure, prospection (watch for Antartica, etc.) too. Space as well.

Secondly, the partnership or relative détente > Russia will see to it that the two most powerful *nukulear* countries control others, with Russia a a ‘junior’ partner, the US on top, or that is the Trump plan. Pakistan and the like, out of luck. Remains to be seen what Russia’s stance will be.

The U.S. and Russia controlling partners??? Staggering self-deception and delusional hogwash.

That Neocon weasel, James Woolsey, never has one criticism regarding Trump. He always puts a positive spin on anything even questionable to U.S. interests that Trump writes. This is a major red flag. The fact that this uber-Zionist Neocon is so in with Trump should make everyone shudder. Trump is not what you're all dreaming he is. Trump is a Zionist shill and puppet who'll be worse than any puppet the Zionist cabal has installed to date.

Russia...junior partner. HA! That's real funny!

Posted by: Circe | Jan 5 2017 18:54 utc | 70

@ Harry | Jan 5, 2017 1:43:25 PM | 67

We turned on Saddam, not the other way around. When we replace vassal rulers we NEVER install a democracy, never have, never will. The point ? Loot, removal of the puppet regime before it falls of it's own accord ... provide yet another example for other vassals to never forget their true place/position ... to rebuild wahabbism at the source to have even more direct tight control over its proxiy troops in the war on Terra. We would install a puppet authoritarian strongmen dictatorship, with accompanying death squads, always have, can recall no exceptions off hand ... ever.

We invested very great deal in having Iraq & Iran bleed each other dry for 8 years '80-88 war ... ah, if only we could have kept them at it forever, that was the Deep State wet dream at the time ... Saddam went off reservation when he negotiated peace with Iran without Empire permission. 2 years before Kuwait.

Would not be surprised if we purposely enticed and stage managed the Saudis into their Yemen mini-Vietnam to prepare the ground for their demise/removal ... the SA sanctions act would clearly indicate so & intent ... Saudis went off reservation when they sought to undercut/cripple/bankrupt US Fracking/Cracking/Oil program by using OPEC to crash the $100/barrel+ oil price ... they forget their place 7 assume too much ... see a pattern forming yet ?

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 5 2017 19:13 utc | 71


We don't really know what Trump-Flynn are thinking. If US and Russia can jointly drill in the Artic, then they don't need ME oil and ME headaches. They would be in a position to impose a peace.

And if they develop strong relations from working together, then maybe Russia's participation in SCO becomes questionable (pulling apart an alliance that US deems to be a threat).

The establishment - which sucks at the foul teat of ME turmoil - is opposed to Trump because Zionists want a different outcome and because they may be exposed as warmongers/torturers/propagandists/etc.

Your warnings about Trump's Zionism MAY prove false. A device for keeping the dogs at bay.

We won't know until after Trump is President.

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I worry that unless Trump bends to establishment wishes, he will be viewed as a threat and Pence will be urged to take over (via 25th Amendment).

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 5 2017 19:27 utc | 72

Lozion | Jan 5, 2017 1:41:29 PM | 66 & followup to Noirette 64 & my 68

' ... because Trump did not join the secret society….he did not go through the initiation.'

Gingrich: Establishment Scared of Trump Because He “Didn’t Belong to the Secret Society”
"He hasn't been through the initiation rites"


In effect, he wasn't (at that time - Mar '16) pre-vetted, sanctioned and approved for office by the Deep State for POTUS.


Schumer warns Trump: Intelligence community 'have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you'

"Let me tell you: You take on the intelligence community — they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you," said Senate Minority Leader Schumer ...

Carefully watch the footage. Haven't seen such an explicit death threat from the agencies since the sixties ... note how he 'breaks the fourth wall', twice, to look directly into the eyes of his targets, Trump and his faction leaders, to explicitly emphasize the point ! on behalf of the 'Intelligence Community' and ultimately, their masters.

Blatant. Prepared/planned/pre-meditated. Deliberate. Very likely rehearsed. Please take note for future events ...

We live in interesting times ... unfortunately.

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 5 2017 19:34 utc | 73

@ Outraged | 71

Saudis went off reservation when they sought to undercut/cripple/bankrupt US Fracking/Cracking/Oil program by using OPEC to crash the $100/barrel+ oil price

Saudis crashed oil prices under US orders. Fracking did lose $40 bln., which is pennies in comparison to severe losses of Russia, Iran and Venezuela. It harmed Saudis as well, but they went along with masters orders (and driven by their hatred of Iran).

Posted by: Harry | Jan 5 2017 19:34 utc | 74

@ Harry | Jan 5, 2017 2:34:39 PM | 74

Even IF one were to accept that, then even so, ... It harmed Saudis as well

So, as a result, many major targets of the Empire was seriously harmed, Russia, Iran, Venezuela ... including Saudi Arabia

Your point being ?

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 5 2017 19:57 utc | 75

@ Lozion 66

The archived video; Interview with O’Reilly:

And have a look at this other video - a WSJ "meaty" Interview, early 2016 primaries: on taxes, obamacare, health insurance, etc….

Posted by: likklemore | Jan 5 2017 20:01 utc | 76


My point is, as long as Saudis serve US, they have no reason to overthrow its regime.

Posted by: Harry | Jan 5 2017 20:01 utc | 77

We will see what Trump's response is to the establishment's demand to bend the knee "intelligence briefing" tomorrow.

Get your popcorn ready.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 5 2017 20:01 utc | 78

Outraged @ 73

Thanks for adding Schumer's blatant death threat. What a Schumck!!!!

Posted by: likklemore | Jan 5 2017 20:07 utc | 79

@ Harry | Jan 5, 2017 3:01:22 PM | 77

Just in case, please, I hope you do not misconstrue, ... limited text lacks ... tone/inflection/nuance, etc.

Our puppet dictatorship, the Royal House of Al-Saud, has long been in syphilitic decline, arguably now terminally so ... when our vassals become insipid, weak, and/or pull on the leash ... we plan ahead ... dynamic contingencies ... we renew and re-generate, by removin' and replacin' 'em, ruthlessly, with fresh stock.

Merely look back on Saddam/Iraq history and sequence of events as a prime example/study case and then reconsider key events in recent years re Al-Saud ... from a new, fresh/alternate perspective ... many similarities ... just sayin' ...

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 5 2017 20:17 utc | 80

Weren't Bill's phones hacked in the 90's by the Israelis? So what is the big deal now??

The spies, spy.

Posted by: shadyl | Jan 5 2017 20:38 utc | 81

Intelligence officials are concerned that a recent rise in electronic attacks against government and military computer networks in the United States...

Since the release of "Windows 95" and since the times that the whole wide World got on the series of tubes I read the same story all and over again and its leitmotif is a proper pile of a manure. Hackers this and hackers that.

Nobody hacked Podesta's mail or a Clinton's mail server - they just guessed their passwords.

Simplified - "hacking" would be directly attacking namely IP numbers of voting servers or particular voting machines, n.b.mostly Windows based, finding open and unsecured ports and injecting various and already premade existing self-executing and self-deleting scripts that would alter the final voting result for that particular elections.

Not one US intelligence agency has any believable proof of that elections were hacked.
Well, apart from the screenshots of video games as a proof that most of media can provide and fake it along the way (remember sci-fi renders of Bin laden's 15 storeys mountain complexes with air-conditioned rooms, WMD production lines and rocket launch pads or Saddam's mobile WMD production trucks?). So what's the buzz?

Let us conclude - current US administration just lost a psy-op battle that it started at the first place and not against just Russians but the whole World.
Psy-op in this case is usage of propaganda on all levels though all means twisting and faking various realities trying to change opinion of majority mostly undereducated populus. But, that is not really - "hacking" in a sense that they want to serve it to us.
Also somebody said that war is about changing the mind of an enemy.
So it goes on until somebody changes.

Posted by: laserlurk | Jan 5 2017 20:54 utc | 82

@Noirette 60, now that would be interesting if an alliance of Russia/USA made a deal on the arctic, and cut out the Zionist/Saudi agenda. Saudis' collapsing the oil prices and crashing the shale business might come back to haunt them. More oil in the north....and maybe cheaper to get in the long run. CIA needs to figure out who they owe their loyalties to, the Middle-east or America.

Posted by: shadyl | Jan 5 2017 20:58 utc | 83


You're wrong. As long as the Saudis keep Iranian influence at bay like they're trying to do in Yemen; the Saudi Monarchy will be supplied with U.S. weaponry and reap the benefits of its vassal status within the empire. So because the Saudis will always consider Iran the enemy in the region as opposed to the Zionist pariah state then they have the vassal protection guarantee. Weak and insipid has nothing to do with it.

Posted by: Circe | Jan 5 2017 21:02 utc | 84

@ Circe | Jan 5, 2017 4:02:37 PM | 84

You're wrong. Really ? 'cause you declare so ?

As long as the Saudis keep Iranian influence at bay like they're trying to do in Yemen; the Saudi Monarchy will be supplied with U.S. weaponry and reap the benefits of its vassal status within the empire.

The Iranian 'threat & influence' is a propaganda myth ... got any evidence to support it, hm ?

The Saudis and our other vassals are not supplied with weaponry because they need it, want it or often even have a use or ability/capability to utilize it. Saudi doesn't. Saudi lack the technical skills, logistic/maintenaince facilities, competent personnel, technical industry/support basis to sustain Ops with the vast majority of it ... they literally have warehouse after warehouse piled up with the shit, in long term storage.

We FORCE our vassals to buy our over-priced, under-performing, maintenance intense, incompatible, Parts supply DEPENDENT weaponry ... as a thinly veiled plausibly-deniable means of receiving TRIBUTE, in the $Billions USD, as, the Empire. FFS.

... So because the Saudis will always consider Iran the enemy in the region as opposed to the Zionist pariah state then they have the vassal protection guarantee. Weak and insipid has nothing to do with it.

There is no vassal protection guarantee, and there never has been, quite the opposite. Utter bollocks.

Tell that to Saddam, our lifelong agent, from his earliest days as a hired gun/hitman.

Tell that to the insipid late stage government of Egypt under Mubarak, which we 'Arab-Springed' to be replaced with the Muslim Brotherhood and thence largely lost Egypt as a vassal.

Tell that to Turkey, and Erdogan, given we are are now seeing strong indications confirming we ran-up the coup of 15 july to replace him ... wouldn't jump high enough when commanded, started pullin' on the leash ... no longer an Empire team player, pumping out a similar, yet discordant tune.

Need more examples ? shall I supply references ?

Circe, you are indeed a card ;)

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 5 2017 21:38 utc | 85


Tell that to Saddam, our lifelong agent, from his earliest days as a hired gun/hitman.

Tell that to the insipid late stage government of Egypt under Mubarak, which we 'Arab-Springed' to be replaced with the Muslim Brotherhood and thence largely lost Egypt as a vassal.

First of all, the reason Saddam is gone is because he was funding the Palestinian militant resistance. Anyone who messes with Zionists is gone; no matter how useful they were at a given moment. You fail to remember that Zionists are in charge of U.S. policy and what they say goes.

Secondly, the military is back in charge in Egypt thanks to Zionists. Whether the U.S. Arab-springed Egypt, and I find that hard to believe since Obama was so late in supporting the revolt there, Zionists wanted the military to overthrow the M.B., as Israel never trusted Morsi. Now, Al-Sisi has a deal with Israel to keep Gaza locked into Zionist oppression. You're whole theory is a fail; because what you're intentionally ignoring is that Zionists rule the U.S. and the Zionist agenda and their candidate always wins; and today their puppet is Trump.

Now, the day the Saudis are no longer useful to Zionists you have an argument; but that day is not here and won't be for a long time to come. The Saudi Monarchy is very useful to the Zionist Iran agenda with no negatives as in the case of Saddam. It's laughable to pretend otherwise. Again Zionists are in charge of the U.S. government; Trump has already acted on their behalf trying to sabotage the UN Resolution on illegal settlements. Trump did what his Zionist masters asked of him; Trump will never act against Zionist interests, the Saudis are useful to those interests,therefore your argument is nil.

Posted by: Circe | Jan 5 2017 23:19 utc | 86

thanks again Outraged. I get the part of interested persons in power guiding and creating public opinion, I get that has become a very efficient and effective way to encourage people to act against their own best interests. this made me angry when I first came to the above conclusion. Now I find myself actually admiring their skill...

What I still don't get is why. Why are people so ready to sell out or even actually pay to go along with the process? are we really such basic herd animals that we just follow the alpha male or the matriarch without questioning anything at all? I get that religion prepares us to be subservient and obedient. I suppose that is necessary for the species to survive and our case we have done quite well if you look at all the wonderful things we do have. the mere action of me lying on a couch typing these words which will in an instant go everywhere in the world is a quick example of some of the wonders we have. Would we not have these things if there were not greedy psychopaths exploiting the masses?

so, thanks to billmon, Malooga, you, and of course b, I get the how....or at least I think I do. I just don't fully fathom the why

Posted by: dan of steele | Jan 5 2017 23:28 utc | 87

@ Circe | Jan 5, 2017 6:19:26 PM | 86

Posted by: james | Dec 26, 2016 4:32:36 PM | 40

@ 32 circe... no one has to say anything about that, as you are hammering away on it on every thread.. all good, but don't confuse folks silence as anything more then a willingness to entertain any number of possibilities, including the thought trump is in the zionists back pocket..

Have direct personal knowledge re Saddam's Iraq during the latter stages of the Iraq-Iran war, and throughout the first Gulf War, so don't try to feed me that pile of horse manure.

Dearest circe, you appear to have difficulty with objective, non pre-judged, limited biased analysis, or mere facts for that matter, because according to you, it's always, always, and only, as simple as, the joos ...

I suppose I couldn't find my car keys yesterday, in a seniors moment, because the joos hid them on me too, sneaky little trolls ...

All this tiresome one-trick, simplistic crap, is it just so you can fill threads with it ?

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 5 2017 23:46 utc | 88


You fail to remember that Zionists are in charge of U.S. policy and what they say goes.
Then explain why the UN vote happened.

And why the uber-powerful Zionists pit two Zionist candidates against each other. The result has been turmoil and division and media/govt distrust. How is that helpful?

And isn't Israel disturbed by "America first" and similar nationalist movements in Europe? If so, why would Zionists welcome Trump?

And why would Trump be so publicly Zionist? Doesn't that just attract antipathy that derails any moves that he takes to protect Israel?

And if Trump is uber-Zionist and the establishment is Zionist, then why are Trump and the establishment at loggerheads? Note: If we believe Kissinger, there are certain policies for which the establishment demands "continuity" (I think those include Syrian regime change and TTP - Obamatrade's anti-China trade deals).

Something doesn't add up. That's why many of us want to wait and see.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 5 2017 23:48 utc | 89

p walker 33
I asked my Senators that when OPM was hacked. Their form letters said cybersecurity is very important to them and they believed the Chinese did it. But no answer as to why important systems are connected to the internet when they know they can't protect them.

Posted by: Curtis | Jan 6 2017 0:08 utc | 90

I don't understand why we worry about the Russians cyber/hacking/attacking us instead of the much more dangerous and sophisticated enemy, the one that already PROVED capable to infiltrate the NORAD systems, the Pentagon (to get info about the exact times and places of the simulations, etc). Yes! I am talking about those cyber devils hiding in caves with multi-storied dungeons who toppled our Twins!
I never heard what we did, if anything, to prevent being hacked again by those cave devils.
Could it be that they have infiltrated our government and spread these silly tales about the Russians to cover up their traces?

Posted by: ariadna | Jan 6 2017 0:59 utc | 91

@ dan of steele | Jan 5, 2017 6:28:15 PM | 87

DOS, ol' buddy, so good to see your posts.

Hm, the Why ? Okay, I'll give it a good old try, this will be off-the-cuff, stream-of-consciousness stuff, so apologies in advance.

Two news events, one is the denial of potable water to 5-6 million non-combatant civilians in Dasmascus, the second is the Mariah Carey implosion re NYE.

If you do a google news search on the Mariah Carey event, and review the content of a modest sample of articles, there is a real, factual(mostly), plethora of news on the 'event' by all kinds of media 'journalists', reporters, etc, that largely is traditional, even if sometimes tawdry/tacky, entertainment, news.

Now do the same Google news search on the Wadi Baradi ... now a sampling from the articles finds common phrases, common consistent & persistent themes, in mostly every article by the major players in the MSM, even tho the reporters are from different news wires, such as Reuters, Associated Press, etc, different media corporations, operating on different continents, and from different geographically diverse Bureaus, such as Beirut, Amman & Turkey ... and secondary and regional media outlets these pickup and repeat these 'reports'.

The Empire, via it's Propaganda & Psyops troops and subordinate proxies, and contractors, doesn't care about whats reported re MC, but they damned well virtually draft and disseminate for publication the patently false, non-factual and slanted articles re wadi Baradi.

The techniques and methods have been continually refined through generations now, developed from the psyops & propaganda campaigns run primarily, in WWI & WWII.

Total control of the message, and the officially approved 'facts', who is to be blamed/held responsible, where the 'hate' should be directed. This is done to blanket dominate the sheeples perceptions, build a foundation which is incrementally built upon and constantly re-inforced though ever expanding repetition, to the point where the 'non-aware', non-critical thinkers, effectively subliminally absorb it. Context is omitted, actual true facts are selectively omitted, historical reference is omitted. Therefore, even if the manipulated rump article, is otherwise correct, in and of itself, it is not, the full, the real, Truth. ...

Full spectrum dominance, re the facts, the story, the memes.

Hence, it ends up with ludicrous stuff about Putin's Russia weaponizing Squids, and the president of Syria being responsible for poisoning his own citizens water supplies, etc.

Ideally Assad will be de-ligitamized internationally, and perhaps even amongst some Syrians, for failing to fulfill a basic responsibility of government, secure & safe potable water. Tell enough lies, spread enough false rumours, throw enough mud and some of it starts to stick ...

Small lies are repeated in other reports, but like 'Chinese Whispers', become even more fanciful, with less context, and again, until fantasy is being shouted by some Mouth as outrageous fact.

Key individuals within valid 3rd party organizations, otherwise doing 'the right thing', are used to release some falsified report, or media commentary, that supports the planned operational narrative. Ie. Amnesty international, Human Rights Watch, UN officials, the ever reliable, on the hour around the clock, informed SOHR (Syrian Observatory of Human Rights)(a chap, with a phone, in a bedsit, above a shop, in Surrey(?), England?!).

Anyway, none of it is accidental. Few of the reporters, or journalists are truly uninformed fools.

So, why do these, individuals, do it ? Actively, pro-actively knowingly participate in the fraud on an ongoing basis ?

Ideology, an agenda, vested interests, money (and not much either), perks, for 'insider' access, status, because the editor/owner/CEO makes it clear that is the way it's going to be, because of threats, coercion, blackmail, exposure, to simply put food on the table at home, pay the rent or the next loan payment due, misguided or abused patriotism ... simple human frailties, flaws & skeletons(in or out of the closet) are numerous and easily exploited ...

Compared to each previous generation, suppose it could be argued, that the Dog-eat-Dog philosophy has taken ever more root, that principles, morals, ethics, even base humanity has incrementally diminished, is 'old hat', if one can take advantage, gain an edge, or simply is compromised in submission to doing what your superior/supervisor/manager/patron requires or demands.

Some key players, especially in 3rd party organizations, and CEO/Editor/Owner/Chief Political Reporter positions, are simply recruited traditional agents, with or without any of the above 'hooks', coercion or inducements ...

This abuse and direct & indirect selective manipulation of the 'Free Press' (never truly was anyway) MSM for Empire, has simply been refined over decades (58 years and counting) to now scale up to be virtually global in extent. That's our reality.

If you look actively for it, you'll easily see it, and can still be sane and fully rational ;)

If the information topic is of interest to the Empires geopolitical purposes and goals, it is manipulated.

Hence this Psyop campaign on Terra, means the resulting manufactured propaganda, now legitamized and accepted where it matters, can be used to justify sanctions, wars, assassinations, dronings, UN resolutions, blockades, etc

However, this worked quite well when we only had radios, televisions and printed newspapers.

Especially where Divide & Rule, as well as societal and economic issues/pressures have diminished, reduced and broken up communities and societal groups. Tho now they are often replaced with 'online' communities.

Though it has continued in ever greater scope and reach into the Internet age, there is a fundamental problem that they are running up against.

A 24 hour news cycle, ubiquitous mobile phones with sound, camera, and video capabilities, and that anyone with an internet link can participate in 'dissemination'. Literally anyone can challenge the Psyops campaign and the propaganda created to support it.

And the sites listed by ProPornOT, yet also simply lone individuals, don't have to own a radio station, a newspaper or a television station to do so. Hence, MOA. And the Truth can be repeated, and amplified and copied and distributed in almost real-time in a mesh network to other sites, such as GlobalResearch or 21stCenturyWire

This is the current problem they face, not being able to truly dominate the 'message' ... that's why internet censorship laws will be comin' down the pike, to stifle, shutdown or kill off unapproved voices, especially so, if and where they have credibility and reach.

The west has become a mirror image of the caricature of the evil USSR of the '50's, and MOA and the ProPornOT sites are now our illicitly distributed digital Samizdat. :))

How did that work out with them Russkies, seem to recall it went down hill pretty quickly with demands for Perestroika and Glasnost ... so history, 'twould appear, seems to ultimately be on our side. Eventually, the stone cannot be squeezed any tighter and the Tumbrels roll ...

Yup, for those of living in so called western Liberal Democracies, the NYT is our Modern Pravda, 'Truth!' ;)

My 2c is up, and apologies all for the unstructured rant ... just skip on by ...


'... to say who was fighting whom at any given moment, would have been utterly impossible, since no written record, and no spoken word, ever made mention of any other alignment than the existing one. At this moment, for example, in 1984 (if it was 1984), Oceania was at war with Eurasia and in alliance with Eastasia. In no public or private utterance was it ever admitted that the three powers had at any time been grouped along different lines. Actually, as Winston well knew, it was only four years since Oceania had been at war with Eastasia and in alliance with Eurasia. But that was merely a piece of furtive knowledge, which he happened to possess because his memory was not satisfactorily under control. Officially the change of partners had never happened. Oceania was at war with Eurasia: therefore Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia. The enemy of the moment always represented absolute evil, and it followed that any past or future agreement with him was impossible. (1.3.16)'
- George Orwell, 1984

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 6 2017 1:30 utc | 92

@73/76 Txs. Gingrich was prolly making a reference to Freemasonry.. Haven't most US President been Masons historically?

Posted by: Lozion | Jan 6 2017 2:46 utc | 93

@89 Jackrabbit

I hear what you're saying about the 'wait and see approach' but I'd be very surprised personally if Trump doesn't bend over backwards for Israel given his public comments on the matter and who he's chosen largely for his advisors.

I don't consider the Israelis the puppet masters of foreign policy as many here do. I take Chomsky's view, which is that because USA's (long term) imperial objectives happen to align largely with Israel's, there is a lot of mutual cooperation on some pretty heinous things. I think it is somewhat naive to believe that the Zionist lobby, while still having immense influence, is the ultimate mover and shaker of the imperial forces. I think that misses a lot of the picture. If Israel disappeared tomorrow I think the US would continue on it's mideast adventures in much the same way. They're a symptom of a problem not the root.

I'm just articulating all that to get across the fact that while Trump wasn't Israel's desired candidate, I do still think he will be appreciated in his own way. Im not crying 'oh no its all the Zionists fault' but at the sane time the comments Trump has made in reference to Palestine, the comments he made at the last AIPAC conference, anything he's said about Israel vis-a-vis twitter, his admiration of and excitement at destruction in the MENA (the 'we should take their oil' type comments) indicate he'll work in much the same way as Clinton would have in my mind. I think you also may believe that aligning with Israel publicly as Trump would hurt him more in theory than in reality. His comments thus far haven't really raised a stink with his voters that much. Typically these things aren't badly received with previous oresidents ever. Maybe the token outcry by activist types.

And to Circe, I always appreciate hearing from you (not trying to patronise you I promise) but I really do think you overestimate the Israeli influence. I don't disagree they have a great, great influencing ability within the American media and government, but at the same time I think you overlook other factors. Though on this, whether Trump will lick a little of Netenyahu's balls or not, I tend to agree with you. If not for different reasons however. His advisory indicates it as much if not more than I imgaine Clinton's hypothetical cabinet would have. His public comments do the same.

Posted by: FecklessLeft | Jan 6 2017 2:56 utc | 94

Croesus | Jan 5, 2017 1:05:57 AM | 37 cites WSJ

Five Ways for Trump to Put Tehran on Notice
The new administration can renegotiate the Iran nuclear deal from a position of strength.
Michael Mukovsky, JINSA, [the same crowd that brought you Iraq]
“A proven necessary ingredient in dealing with Iran is a credible military threat. . . .

As a bearer of a Slavic first name, I have some intuition about the last names, and believe me, "Mukovsky" is weird. And indeed, this is not a Mukovsky that appeared out of nowhere, but a good ole neocon:

[Michael] Makovsky’s brother, David Makovsky is a fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, a spin-off of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. David has written extensively on Mideast policy, including a 2009 book co-written with Dennis Ross titled Myths, Illusions, and Peace: Finding a New Direction in the Middle East.

As we know, neocons are people with deeply held principles. Principle number one: incest keeps families together. No place for Mukowskys if you already have Makowsky brothers, Krystol couple etc.

The second principle is that there is no Truth, there are Narratives, and one of them is Good Narrative (theirs). Trying to argue that the Good Narrative makes no sense in some places, notably, "credible use of force against Iran" is somewhat futile. The Good Narrative is a product in the Market of Ideas, and as long as there are folks ready to spend a good coin on it -- enough to support JINSA. WIfNET etc. and MUCH MUCH MORE, this narrative will thrive. "Reality based criticism" affects them no more that disclosing the lack of psychological likelihood can undermine the sales of Harlequin romance novels.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jan 6 2017 3:04 utc | 95

Circe @70:

That Neocon weasel, James Woolsey, never has one criticism regarding Trump. He always puts a positive spin on anything even questionable to U.S. interests that Trump writes. This is a major red flag. The fact that this uber-Zionist Neocon is so in with Trump should make everyone shudder. Trump is not what you're all dreaming he is. Trump is a Zionist shill and puppet who'll be worse than any puppet the Zionist cabal has installed to date.

Trump Splits With 'Senior Advisor' Former CIA Chief Woolsey

LOL! Yet another Circe "fact" bites the dust.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 6 2017 3:43 utc | 96

'Russian Cyber-Offensive' Attacks Canada Too!
Fizzled, nothing there...Canadians ignored the story. (Like Americans should have done.)

Posted by: John Gilberts | Jan 6 2017 3:54 utc | 97


So you're telling me that Saddam wasn't funding the Palestinian militant resistance? Is that too much of an inconvenient fact for you? It seems to really piss you off that that I dare bring up the fact that Zionists were behind the invasion of Iraq; seeing as you're so quick to exonerate them and conveniently pretend they're not a major part of Trump's sphere of influence. And you're telling me that Mubarak and now al-Sisi aren't exactly what Zionists want ruling Egypt?

You can call Zionists, poor little jooos getting all the blame; if that makes you feel better; and I get what you're implying; but I could give a rat's ass. It's a cheap shot to imply anti-Semitism because your argument stinks. Are Zionists your comrades or something? You seem a little too pissed off that I'm stating the obvious; sounds personal to me. You do understand that everyone knows who suborns Washington politicians; it's not just me fella; everyone gets it.

Anyway, you wanna call Zionists; joos, be my guest; I call them f...cking Zionazi war criminals; and that's exactly what they are.

The horse manure is the pile you just laid. Hey, don't blame me if Trump is in bed with Zionists. His son-in-law is a Zionist; his biggest political financier is a Zionist, his lawyer and now Ambassador to Israel is a rabid Zionist and when he tried to sabotage the U.N. resolution he was following Bibi's orders; awwwwh shucks; another inconvenient fact that betrays who he's really working for.

Now when I see someone that embedded with Zionism; I say, nothing good's gonna come from that; because it's already a proven fact. I guess it doesn't bother you 'cause you really put up some defense on behalf of Zionists; joos as you put it. Lol! You're really transparent.

Posted by: Circe | Jan 6 2017 4:59 utc | 98

@Piotr Berman #95

as long as there are folks ready to spend a good coin on it

Are you black? Because that's not standard English. Just because Obama talks that way to gain cred as an African American, it doesn't mean you have to.

All that is behind us now. or will be in fifteen days.

Posted by: Adalbrand | Jan 6 2017 5:00 utc | 99

"The second principle is that there is no Truth, there are Narratives"

Beautiful quote !

Posted by: bbbb | Jan 6 2017 5:01 utc | 100

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