The Deep State Versus Donald Trump - New Smears And The Ukrainian Connection
UPDATED (3x) (at end of original)
As remarked on January 6:
When Hillary Clinton was defeated in the U.S. presidential election the relevant powers launched a campaign to delegitimize the President elect Donald Trump.The ultimate aim of the cabal is to kick him out of office and have a reliable replacement, like the Vice-President elect Pence, take over. Should that not be possible it is hoped that the delegitimization will make it impossible for Trump to change major policy trajectories especially in foreign policy. A main issue here is the reorientation of the U.S. military complex and its NATO proxies from the war of terror towards a direct confrontation with main powers like Russia and China.
The deep state campaign against Trump opened new grounds today with the publication of completely fake and thereby unverifiable anonymous assertions which include the smear that Trump had some fun in a Moscow hotel and that Russian secret services is using that to manipulate him.
Like many smears against Trump via proxies of the Clinton presidential campaign these new ones seem to origin from Ukraine related sources and Ukrainian "nationalist" (aka fascist) putsch supporters.
The new assertions about Trump come in 35 pages of "reports" by an anonymous (claimed) former British intelligence operator working for a private U.S. company with dates ranging from June 20 2016 to December 13 2016. They say that Russia has some tapes of Trump watching sex games in 2013, they claim that Trump campaign officials coordinated the Clinton campaign leaks with Russia and that the Russian President Putin was highly involved in all of this.
Here is how the claimed former intelligence operator typically describes his sources in these "reports":
Speaking to a trusted compatriot in June 2016 sources A and B, a senior Russian Foreign Ministry figure and a former top level Russian intelligence officer still active inside the Kremlin respectively, the Russian authorities had been cultivating and supporting U.S. Republican presidential candidate, Donald TRUMP for at least five years. Source B asserted that the TRUMP operation was both supported and directed by Russian President Vladimir PUTIN.
The anonymous former British operator hears from an anonymous asserted compatriot what two anonymous sources, asserted to have access to inner Russian circles, claim to have heard somewhere that something happened in the Kremlin.
They assert that Trump was supported and directed by Putin himself five years ago while even a year ago no one would have bet a penny on Trump gaining any political significant position or even the presidency.
There is a lot more of such nonsense in these new Hitler diaries. It is bonkers from a to z.
Neocon senator John McCain, friend of Ukrainian fascists and Trump enemy, passed (<-details) the "report" to the FBI and thereby made it into an official document.
Even as they are obvious fake the FBI tried to use these "reports" to get a wide warrant from the foreign intelligence surveillance (FISA) court to listen in on Trump campaign officials. The court thankfully denied or at least narrowed down the request.
The first "reports" were created as part of the opposition research paid by a Republican candidate running in the primaries against Trump. They were later produced for and paid by the Democratic campaign. They have been shopped around in Washington for several month. The NYT, the WSJ, CNN and the FBI all investigated the assertions in them. Despite those considerable combined capacities they could verify none of them. All publications refrained from publishing the claims during the campaign because there was no evidence at all that supported them. Buzzfeed now pushed these out despite also saying that they have found nothing verifiable in them.
Even worse, the Director of National Intelligence Clapper (who once claimed Saddam's non-existing WMDs were shipped to Syria) presented these to Congress and the president elect Trump as "annex" to his baseless U.S. Intelligence report of "Russian hacking".
A murky preview of the assertions had been given by David Corn in a Mother Jones piece in October. He talked with the said-to-be author of the "reports":
"It started off as a fairly general inquiry," says the former spook, who asks not to be identified. But when he dug into Trump, he notes, he came across troubling information indicating connections between Trump and the Russian government. According to his sources, he says, "there was an established exchange of information between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin of mutual benefit."
The current publication of this full barrel of bullshit comes a day after members of the Trump cabinet have been successfully confirmed by Congress and hours before his long expected press conference. It is thereby destined to overshadow a successful start of the Trump presidency.
There are signs that the "reports" were written with some Ukrainian nationalist and anti-semitic background. Just consider this passage from the July 26 "report":
In terms of the FSB's recruitment of capable cyber operatives to carry out its, ideally deniable, offensive cyber operations, a Russian IT specialist with direct knowledge reported in June 2016 that this was often done using coercion and blackmail. In terms of 'foreign' agents, the FSB was approaching U.S. citizens of Russian (Jewish) origin on business trips in Russia.
Such tropes are typical of the anti-semitic Ukrainian "nationalist" (aka Nazi) narrative. ("All Soviet/Communist ideologues/functionaries are Jews.") Russian services would, unlike Mossad, not recruit IT hackers conditioned on "Jewish" ethnic relations or believe. They would hire anyone competent who they think they could trust.
We have seen more Ukrainian "nationalists" involved in the "Russian hacks" propaganda claims. A July 2016 Yahoo piece by (Clinton campaign mouthpiece) Michael Isikoff wrote:
Just weeks after she started preparing opposition research files on Donald Trump’s campaign chairman Paul Manafort last spring, Democratic National Committee consultant Alexandra Chalupa got an alarming message when she logged into her personal Yahoo email account.
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Chalupa — who had been drafting memos and writing emails about Manafort’s connection to pro-Russian political leaders in Ukraine — quickly alerted top DNC officials.
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“I was freaked out,” Chalupa, who serves as director of “ethnic engagement” for the DNC, told Yahoo News in an interview, noting that she had been in close touch with sources in Kiev, Ukraine, including a number of investigative journalists, who had been providing her with information about Manafort’s political and business dealings in that country and Russia.
Chalupa is also somewhat involved with the ProPornOT list, promoted by the Washington Post, of alleged pro-Russian propaganda websites. This website, Moon of Alabama, is also on that list :-) (see at end of piece). (Unfortunately though we have never received a penny, or anything else, from Russian sources, are critical of Putin's neoliberal economic policies and have been plagiarized by the Russian government financed Russia Today without any compensation.) The ProPornOT Twitter account says it is “Ukrainian-American” and it used the Ukrainian fascist salute of the OUN-Bandera killer gangs "Heroiam Slava!" to hail Ukrainian hackers attacking Russia. The ProPornOT list is designed after a Ukrainian model used to smear Ukrainian anti-fascist media and journalists.
Chalupa is a main promoter of the "Russia hacked the Democratic campaign" allegations based on thin if any evidence. She was named by the same Isikoff of Yahoo as one of 16 people who shaped the 2016 election.
Chalupa is also:
founder and president of the Ukrainian lobby group “US United With Ukraine Coalition”, which lobbied hard to pass a 2014 bill increasing loans and military aid to Ukraine, imposing sanctions on Russians, and tightly aligning US and Ukraine geostrategic interests.
Moreover Chalupa coordinated her anti-Trump/anti-Russian campaign with the Ukrainian embassy in Washington DC:
Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office. They also disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election. And they helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers, a Politico investigation found.A Ukrainian-American operative[, Alexandra Chalupa,] who was consulting for the Democratic National Committee met with top officials in the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington in an effort to expose ties between Trump, top campaign aide Paul Manafort and Russia, according to people with direct knowledge of the situation.
One must thereby categorize Chalupa as a Ukrainian agent or at least as naive manipulated by the Ukrainian government and read her accordingly.
The foreign influence on the presidential race through the Ukrainian (fascist) connection to the Clinton campaign is thereby much more grounded in reality than the alleged but completely unproven Russian connections to the Trump campaign.
We have a Ukrainian-American nationalist Democratic campaign operator promoting anti-Russian and anti-Trump claims in cooperation with the Ukrainian government, a Ukrainian-American ProPornOT blacklist for smearing random website of being "Russian propaganda" and Ukrainian fascist tropes used in fact-less "reports" intended to smear Trump as a Russian puppet. Above all of this we have a U.S intelligence community that is feverishly fighting against a Trump presidency which is likely to cut back its many excrescences and excesses.
The CIA, the MI-6 and the German BND (a CIA controlled service) have pampered and promoted the again very active anti-Russian Ukrainian fascist circles since (at least) the late 1940s. A U.S. National Archive book about Hitler's Shadows - Nazi War Criminals, U.S. Intelligence and the Cold War (PDF) notes:
British operations through Bandera expanded. An early 1954 MI6 summary noted that, “the operational aspect of this [British] collaboration [with Bandera] was developing satisfactorily. Gradually a more complete control was obtained over infiltration operations and although the intelligence dividend was low it was considered worthwhile to proceed....”
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In June 1985 the General Accounting Office mentioned Lebed’s name in a public report on Nazis and collaborators who settled in the United States with help from U.S. intelligence agencies. The Office of Special Investigations (OSI) in the Department of Justice began investigating Lebed that year. The CIA worried that public scrutiny of Lebed would compromise QRPLUMB and that failure to protect Lebed would trigger outrage in the Ukrainian émigré community. It thus shielded Lebed by denying any connection between Lebed and the Nazis and by arguing that he was a Ukrainian freedom fighter. The truth, of course, was more complicated. As late as 1991 the CIA tried to dissuade OSI from approaching the German, Polish, and Soviet governments for war-related records related to the OUN. OSI eventually gave up the case, unable to procure definitive documents on Lebed. Mykola Lebed, Bandera’s wartime chief in Ukraine, died in 1998. He is buried in New Jersey, and his papers are located at the Ukrainian Research Institute at Harvard University.
There is no open evidence yet of a direct connection between the three anti-Russian/anti-Trump items above, the Ukrainian-fascist movement and John Brennan's deep-state CIA. There are consistencies in tone and message, some common history including the 2014 putsch in Ukraine and a connecting Ukrainian-American person in bowels of the Clinton campaign.
But even that is more than the baseless assertions of "Russian hacking" in the DNI intelligence reports and the now published MI-6 smears. Seen from a distance the "Intelligence Community" is more compromised by these "leaks" than the President elect Trump.
It is not predictable who will win this fight, the "deep state" cabal that wants to keep the U.S. on an anti-Russian course or the somewhat outsider isolationist Trump. My bet is on the bullshit artist Trump.
In the bigger international picture the fight itself, and the publicity it gets, lets the U.S. look like the Banana republic it is destined to become.
UPDATE:
The BBC Washington reporter Paul Wood on BBC radio today:
- has seen the "report" in October
- was told in August by U.S. intelligence that East-European(!) intelligence head claimed Russia had kompromat on Trump
- there are allegedly audio and video tapes made in Moscow and Petersberg which nobody has seen
We are left to guess what "east-European intelligence" service he was talking about ...
2nd UPDATE:
There are claims that the Trump sex story involved in the 35 pages originates from alt-right or 4chan circles.
That does not fit the timeline.
The "reports" have circulated since August. The sex claim is an July part of the report. The 4chan story originated in November (as far as I can tell) and was pushed from 4chan to one political actor aligned with the Democratic party. But that was old news by then and everyone relevant was already aware of the story. It is very likely that the 4chan story was just a rehash of the already known "report" story and has no additional validity.
3rd UPDATE:
BBC's Paul Wood has more on the issue: Trump 'compromising' claims: How and why did we get here?
- Nothing in the 35 pages has been shown to be true
- There are additional claims of Russian (bank) payments to someone (not Trump directly but probably related) in the U.S.
- The payment claims were used to get FISA warrants which were twice rejected(!) but in October signed by a new judge
- The payment claims come from the secret service of "a Baltic State"
Other news services seem to mix up these payment claims with those in the 35 pages. But they are different issues.
Yesterday evening DNI Clapper had a talk with Trump - it is unclear from Clapper's statement what issues exactly were talked about. He seems to allude to the payment claims, not the 35 pages.
Posted by b on January 11, 2017 at 12:39 UTC | Permalink
« previous page | next page »@ Posted by: lysias | Jan 12, 2017 7:02:12 AM | 201
Would MI6 do this without CIA approval?
Neither the UK Government nor MI6/SIS would act against Five-eyes partners intelligence services, it's supra-national above sovereign government relationship, remember ?
So turn the question around, would they do it in support of their Intelligence partners ? Yes On behalf or at the request of the CIA (Local Station Chief) ? Yes. Or, to be extra careful: CIA > NSA > GCHQ > SIS/MI6, just to be safe, hm ?
Daily Mail UK, given it's 'salty' reputation has really been doing some standout journalism these last few weeks ... going to keep an eye on them ;)
Posted by: Outraged | Jan 12 2017 12:12 utc | 202
"Daily Mail UK, given it's 'salty' reputation has really been doing some standout journalism these last few weeks ... going to keep an eye on them ;)
Posted by: Outraged | Jan 12, 2017 7:12:05 AM | 202"
LOL
Well, if THAT doesn't put the fear of God into em, nothing will.
I'm sure they're cowering under their beds by now.
Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 12 2017 12:25 utc | 203
DOCUMENTS MAY BE BACKDATED!
BuzzFeed was right to release the memo. It was already a public secret, circulated to hundreds of anti-Trump politicians and journalist. Publishing the memo to scrutiny revealed it to be a hoax.
What I want to see now is the media that had access to copies of the dossier explain:
- When did they receive the copy and how?
- What effect the dossier had on their reporting on the elections?
- What parts of the dossier did they fail to verify as true or verify to be untrue?
Alexander Mercouris calls the Trump Dossier a clever fabrication. Craig Murray compares the dossier to the Hitler Diaries. If it a fabrication, then even the dates on the documents may be fabricated.
There is an interesting observation on The Guardian:
John McCain passes dossier alleging secret Trump-Russia contacts to FBISome of the reports – which are dated from 20 June to 20 October last year – also proved to be prescient, predicting events that happened after they were sent.
Either the author is extremely well informed, which Mercouris and Murray say he is not, or the documents were backdated to give them extra credibility. If so, your 2nd update about 4chan not being the source of the Trump sex story becomes moot.
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jan 12 2017 12:36 utc | 204
The USSR imploded very quickly after the failed 1990 coup. Are we about to see a repetition in the U.S.?
Posted by: lysias | Jan 12 2017 12:36 utc | 205
@ Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 12, 2017 7:25:12 AM | 203
:))
Undoubtedly they are, trembling as they cower ... really though, they've been digging up quite a few details re Shai Mosat and the fraud of the Dossier, usually being referenced as the Source by other outlets playing catchup ... if a lightweight like them can do real investigative journalism it only makes the Big NYT, WAPO, CNN, etc all look even worser(sic) in comparison, no ?
Posted by: Outraged | Jan 12 2017 12:39 utc | 206
@ Posted by: lysias | Jan 12, 2017 7:36:52 AM | 205
Was pondering comparisons the other day and posted with references ... see them ? Could dig up the link ... the crux was we seem to be having our own version of Perestroika & Glasnost, and for basically all the same reasons ... mid to late '80s USSR ... many comparisons to the same primary/structural causes/failures of the USSR ... without drawing long bows, either ;)
Posted by: Outraged | Jan 12 2017 12:46 utc | 207
on tee-rump's secretary of state, tee-rex ...
China must be banned from artificial islands: Rex Tillerson
“We’re going to have to send China a clear signal that, first, the island-building stops and, second, your access to those islands also is not going to be allowed,” he said, without specifying how the United States could enforce such a ban.
the more things change the more they stay the same? the us department of state will remain a subsidiary of the us department of war under tee-rump?
Posted by: jfl | Jan 12 2017 12:46 utc | 208
Why the Buzzfeed debacle damaged journalism and handed Trump a gift
"Buzzfeed—whose other offerings yesterday included “How Bitchy Is Your Resting Face?" and ”Would you get rid of your phone just to have an orgasm?”--says it is being “transparent” with its readers. Unfortunately, the transparency enabled all of us to see shoddy journalism in action and handed Trump a gift-wrapped present."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/12/why-buzzfeed-debacle-damaged-journalism-and-handed-trump-gift.html
Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 12 2017 12:50 utc | 209
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Hard to see how he 'll make it to the inauguration
Posted by: Mina | Jan 12, 2017 6:18:57 AM | 195
Trump's doing just fine and is on course to be sworn in on Jan 20.
If what he said in the Press Con is true (that divestment rules don't apply to POTUS), then his refusal to liquidate Trump Inc is legal. It's worth remembering that he's the Deplorable's POTUS and they are the #1 target of his public utterances. Until he's POTUS no-one can be certain what he'll do, or how militant the Deplorables are prepared to become if Trump repudiates them, or The System repudiates Trump.
He's still the smartest bloke in AmeriKKKa and is already looking like a more convincing POTUS than at least 50% of his 44 predecessors.
No offense intended...
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 12 2017 12:54 utc | 210
@ Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jan 12, 2017 7:36:51 AM | 204
The entire 'Dossier' is a complete fraud ... it's equivalent to the Tzarist Police effort to slander with the fabrication of 'The protocols of the Elders of Zion', in order to distract form events leading up to the 1905 Revolution attempt in Tzarist Russia ... are you aware of the geneology of that fraud ... even to this day, more than 110 years later it's still referenced ... this Dossier is Elemntary School level childish rubbish.
Key Points.
No actual report, just a collection of supposed memos
No address or signature blocks on any 'memos'
No references including of other documents
No formal recognized security classifications
No abbreviated classifications of select material at select paragraphs;
example: (S) The cow flew over the moon. Blah, blah.
No PAGE numbering, 1 of 12, 2 of 12, 3 of 12
No use of insider and terms as unique language that Intelligence Agencies use within their texts
example: It is assessed Likely that trump ... It is assessed as Probable that Putin ... It is assessed with High Confidence that ...
No SOP formal paragraph and sub-paragraph indentation of numbering, nor chapter numbering ...
and I could keep going, on and on ... ;)
Could provide a link to a REAL relevant DECLASSIFIED Intelligence Report to compare if anyone's interested ...
Posted by: Outraged | Jan 12 2017 12:59 utc | 211
b, gotta say, this "fight" between the "Intelligence Community" and Trump smells a little funny. Maybe it's all for show. Why are you so convinced it is real? We know Trump is a con artist. Is this how true "intelligence professionals" conduct themselves?
Posted by: Berry Friesen | Jan 12 2017 13:02 utc | 212
Categorically branding as fake the 'unverifiable" Steele memo on alleged Russian possession of an equally alleged sex tape of Donald Trump in a Moscow hotel is as unjustified by published facts as total acceptance of its veracity. The dialogue on this subject so far is but tittle-tattle.
Posted by: Peter Grimsditch | Jan 12 2017 13:09 utc | 213
The New York Semit, Washington Compost and others msm outlets are simply pathetic.
http://mediaroots.org/abby-martin-responds-to-exploitation-by-ny-times/
Posted by: green light | Jan 12 2017 13:33 utc | 214
@Posted by: green light | Jan 12, 2017 8:33:00 AM | 214It appears that the Times is, once again, working to push a false perspective being promoted by US government officials and agencies. To paint RT in such a cartoonish, totalitarian fashion—and to promote the idea that it is subverting US democracy—is the dangerous state propaganda that we should be worrying about.
Good catch. And the final paragraph is a real punchline. sadly it will be but a blip in the tsunami of slanders and promotion of rubbish ... For example, how twisted and fabricated is this construct of a headline (1 hour ago), and it's typical of all the 'slant' being applied:
Fictional or not, the Trump dossier affair is another win for Putin
The Guardian - 1 hour ago
Posted by: Outraged | Jan 12 2017 13:41 utc | 215
Defrauding the Public - How can it be that the Powers That Be did not know that Trump would "WIN" when they have access to ALL the DATA? Reminder: They never stopped Data-mining. They presumably store the data in that gigantic facility in Utah. Whatever.
Answer: There is NO WAY they did not know. They did know and they prepared for it. Trump is stacking his cab with assholes Betsy DeVos - sister of Eric Prince. Goldman Sachs Israelis.
We don't yet know what Trump will do. But he is quacking like a duck.
Posted by: fastfreddy | Jan 12 2017 13:52 utc | 216
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I don't even see how Iran comes up with regards to me as I didn't even mention it.
Its a non sequitar response after showing up his ignorance of basic political game theory.
As to Iran, the Israelis are really bent on having US start something against them and Trump is with the Israelis. So thats that.
Kinetic military action is scheduled, just that some of the venues has changed if dear Hillary was POTUS (though SCS would still be a hotspot with Hillary).
Learn to ignore what should be ignored.
Posted by: ThatDamnGood | Jan 12 2017 14:21 utc | 218
What a picture!!
BBC frontpage
http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/3AA6/production/_93541051_trump.jpg
notice the (no entry) on bottom
Posted by: Mina | Jan 12 2017 14:23 utc | 219
Hw
i didn't imply anything but i notice many who are afraid some dirty secrets being exposed are going nuclear in their attacks
Brits/Nato/Fr and their US/Gulf allies have a lot to be scared of because everyone here know they are totally grilled on Syria and more
Posted by: Mina | Jan 12 2017 14:28 utc | 220
@219 mina
looks like a run-of-the-mill tee-rump photo to me.
Posted by: jfl | Jan 12 2017 14:29 utc | 221
Ron Paul was an outsider, media blackout...
Trump oth gets free coverage, gets FBI disclosures, leaks, Project Veritas with phonetaps of Obama... etc.
Compared to Ron Paul, he had it real good.
Now you got a ludicrious smear campaign with obviously crap material to continue the meme of him being the outsider.
Posted by: ThatDamnGood | Jan 12 2017 14:30 utc | 222
The entire 'Dossier' is a complete fraud ... it's equivalent to the Tzarist Police effort to slander with the fabrication of 'The protocols of the Elders of Zion'...
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Posted by: Outraged | Jan 12, 2017 7:59:48 AM | 211
One suspects your rage is playing tricks with your mind.
Zionists traditionally describe The Protocols as a forgery not a fabrication. A forgery is a faithful copy of an genuine artifact. You may dispute that if you wish but I clearly remember the 'forgery' meme because it's the only amusing thing Zionists have ever said.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 12 2017 14:34 utc | 223
i just saw a report that said that france had just re-instated the policy of requiring parental consent for minors to leave the country. repealed 5 years ago. there are apparently 400 minors who've gone to syria without their parents knowing beforehand they'd packed and gone. gosh that hollande is the lowest form of life on earth, isn't he? the israelis are the only ones who can stand him.
Posted by: jfl | Jan 12 2017 14:36 utc | 224
b
Suggest you peruse the following article re The Ukrainian Connection. (h/t to Naked Capitalism)
Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire
http://www.politico.eu/article/ukrainian-efforts-to-sabotage-trump-backfire/
Provides more detail about Chalupa’s manoeuvrings and the Ukrainian angle as a whole. May assist in your sleuthing. No time to go into detail.
Posted by: pantaraxia | Jan 12 2017 14:36 utc | 225
Trump is the insiders' pretend outsider. Stacking admin to the rafters with Goldman Sachs Alumni and current principals.
“Trump nominated Steven Mnuchin, a 17-year veteran of Goldman Sachs to be his Treasury Secretary.”
“Stephen Bannon, another former Goldman Sachs banker, was named by Trump as his Chief Strategist in the White House.”
“The sitting President of Goldman Sachs, Gary Cohn, has been named by Trump as Director of the National Economic Council, which, according to its website, coordinates ‘policy-making for domestic and international economic issues’.”
“…Trump nominated a Goldman Sachs outside lawyer, Jay Clayton of Sullivan & Cromwell, to serve as Wall Street’s top cop as Chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission.”
“…Clayton’s wife currently works as a Vice President at Goldman Sachs.”
“According to Politico, Goldman Sachs partner, Dina Powell, President of the Goldman Sachs Foundation, is Ivanka’s ‘top adviser on policy and staffing’.”
“Then there is Erin Walsh who had worked at Goldman Sachs since 2010 as an Executive Director and head of its Office of Corporate Engagement for Asia Pacific…Walsh is now part of Trump’s transition landing team for the State Department according to Politico.”
“And there is yet another former Goldman Sachs banker, Anthony Scaramucci, who sits on Trump’s transition team.”
Posted by: fastfreddy | Jan 12 2017 14:45 utc | 226
@ Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 12, 2017 9:34:28 AM | 223
Come on Hoarse, you know me from the old days, do really believe I get 'enraged' ? ;)
It's like the Charlaton Confidence-Man, Grifter that Trump is, when it suits his objective, doesn't he go over the TOP, way over ... usually I'm actually just having a chuckle.
One suspects you're trying to yank on my chain, or just getting me to waste some pixels, and send some bytes their their deaths ... hm ;)
Now, Forgery or Fabrication ... once used TPOTEOZ as a case study in an instructional setting, so intimately familiar with it's genesis ... well, does Apple = Apple ?, yes, it does:
Etymology: Fabrication -fabrication (n.) Look up fabrication at Dictionary.com
c. 1500, "manufacturing, construction," from Middle French fabrication and directly from Latin fabricationem (nominative fabricatio) "a structure, construction, a making," noun of action from past participle stem of fabricare "to make, construct" (see fabricate). Meaning "lying, falsehood, forgery" is from 1790.
In essence FAKE
Etymology: Forgery -Online Etymology Dictionary. 1570s, "a thing made fraudulently,," from forge (v.) + -ery. Meaning "act of counterfeiting" is 1590s. The literal sense of the verb tended to go with forging (late 14c. as "act of working on a forge," 1858 as "piece of work made on a forge").
forgery (n.) - Online Etymology Dictionary
www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=forgery
In essence FAKE
QED. What's say you ? You're yanking my chain, yes ?
Posted by: Outraged | Jan 12 2017 15:01 utc | 227
NEVER TAKE YES FOR AN ANSWER!
What I learned at Nokia when working on software with Indian subcontractors was to never take "Yes" for an answer. If I asked "have you solved this problem" the answer would always be an emphatic "Yes, yes!" The correct question to ask would be "please demonstrate to me how you have solved this problem."
The same applies to former FSB agents. If you ask them if they have kompromat on Donald J. Trump, the answer will always be yes. They know that they will never be asked to produce the kompromat, but saying they do not have such compromising material would hurt their professional pride.
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Kompromat seems to be the word of the day.
- A Russian Word Americans Need To Know: 'Kompromat'
- Sexual blackmail, Russia style: a history of ‘kompromat’
The article by Julia Ioffe in The Atlantic has an interesting twist:
How Blackmail Works in Russia"I should add that I, like many other journalists, was approached over the summer with the story of the prostitutes and could not verify it."
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jan 12 2017 15:03 utc | 228
@ fastfreddy | Jan 12, 2017
It just might be true that Trump surprised pretty much everyone by winning last election while it was obvious since those emails release and a FBI intent of an investigation that Clinton was not really meant to be, or better assumption was that she was not the best fit in a current inner struggle and plans.
Also it seems now that, somehow, it is easier, but never the less also risky to manipulate a President-elect that acts like a weird combination of Yeltsin, Palin and Berlusconi to a submission sufficient enough to achieve some sinister goals that are on their agenda. If Trump doesn't play along he is a simply made redundant. They have the means and the methods to render it so.
Please note that it is not the Russians who actually do not even care to blackmail Trump, but Trump's very own compatriots creating counter propaganda and a damaging fallout on their own country - again following their agenda, also, noted, changing some goals as they go on.
Luckily McCain and Senators only need enemies, general Mattis, big combat power and a total domination as a priorities, while the rest of the World moves on.
That is very counterproductive now and in the long run.
So it is this asynchronicity we find ourselves in right now and we are occupied with trivia on some alleged hear-say stuff disseminated to us over the information channels.
Posted by: laserlurk | Jan 12 2017 15:09 utc | 229
Washington seems on brink of ‘civil war’ as elites fuel anti-Trump hostility – former German MP . The former MP is former CDU defense spokesman Willy Wimmer.
Posted by: lysias | Jan 12 2017 15:12 utc | 230
Meme: Washington on the brink of civil war as elites fuel anti-Trump hostility.
Meanwhile, Trump ushers in "same old - same old" with Goldman from top to bottom. Threatening Public Education, Social Security and Medicare, Threatening Marijuana Legalization, Threatening War, Threatening ALL the populist plans he spoke about as a candidate, except the stupid wall.
Posted by: fastfreddy | Jan 12 2017 15:20 utc | 231
What if everybody has this the wrong way round?
Trump says he wants to clean the swamp that is Washington. What is the muddiest swamp?
Probably the IC. What's the best way to give it a really deep clean? Discredit it so badly that no-one outside it will support it. How to discredit it enough? Provide it with a complete fabrication to discredit the greatest threat to it at the moment, Donald Trump.
So, I assess that a large number of occupants of political positions within the IC are likely to retire very soon.
Posted by: Ghostship | Jan 12 2017 15:35 utc | 232
Marine Le Pen is now in New York for what is said to be an unannounced private visit. Marine Le Pen in Unannounced Visit to New York. Both Le Pen's people and Trump's people deny that they are going to meet.
Posted by: lysias | Jan 12 2017 15:52 utc | 233
This sounds like it was drafted by MI6 and handed to the Guardian to simply publish, to stiffen up an unverified, unsubstantiated stack of memo's ... laughable ... there are a couple of key quotes tho:
Intelligence sources vouch for credibility of Russia dossier author
The Guardian - 18 minutes ago
His denials – at least some of them – were emphatic, even by the standards that Donald Trump has come to be judged by. The dossier, he said, was a confection of lies; he compared it to Nazi propaganda; it was fake news spread by sick people. At his ......
And his interest in Russia did not diminish as he continued to rise up the ranks, which at the time included his friend and contemporary Alex Younger – now head of MI6.
...
It is unlikely that Steele would have had direct contact with the unnamed Kremlin officials who allegedly gave sensitive information on the president-elect. In fact, it’s believed the former spy hasn’t been able to visit Russia for more than 20 years.
Rather, Steele would have tapped up his network of sources deep inside the country, some of them dating from his time there, others cultivated later, British officials suggested.
In turn, these individuals will have had sources of their own. Steele would likely have subcontracted some of his Trump investigation to trusted intermediaries in Moscow, who will have reported back to him via secure channels.
...
It was Steele’s job to collate, evaluate and verify this material before passing it to his American client Fusion GPS, a Washington-based political research firm.
The company had been hired originally by one of Trump’s early Republican opponents before the contract was taken up by senior Democrats.
... a former UK ambassador to Moscow, who is understood to have passed the dossier to the Republican senator John McCain, who in turn passed it to the FBI.
Our sub-contracted Ex-MI6 operative is a life long career colleague and personal friend of the current Head of MI6. The Head of MI6, if anyone has followed old news (his Public Press conference, 1st ever for MI6) is an unreconstructed rabid Cold War 1.0 Warrior who wants War with Russia. Oh, do tell :)
Unverified rumors, from some guy who bought unverified rumors from some other guy for cash, who got what he knew from some other fella for cash. Sub-sub-sub-sub-contracted cash-for-comment. Result, no possibility to corroborate any of it. It should have been shredded at first sight.
Key Points is the CIA got it from 'Senior Democrats' and the FBI got if from McCain, who got it from an MI6 operative under Diplomatic Cover (D-Notice). All getting rather repetitive. It's baloney.
And they all just ran with it ... and still are running ... SAD & LOL
Posted by: Outraged | Jan 12 2017 16:10 utc | 236
Outraged # 202
Yes, I've been surprised at the Daily Mail's feistiness. "Salty" is ok, :-) but journalistically feisty and investigative? much better. And best of all, there's no mistaking the Daily Mail for the Guardian in all its self-righteousness on these issues. Similar situation with my new-found respect for Patrick Buchanan. Never thought I'd see the day. . . etc.
Posted by: Glorious Bach | Jan 12 2017 16:15 utc | 237
@ Posted by: Ghostship | Jan 12, 2017 10:35:43 AM | 232
Nope. Who paid for and ordered it to be created, how it was distributed is now well documented and corroborated by multiple independent sources. This was ordered up by both the Dems and the GOP McCain faction ... BOTH. Ponder that.
No, the chain of custody and links mean it's would be fantasy to speculate it's some bizarre and elaborate Trumpian disinformation exercise. The grifter is no Wizard of Oz.
Posted by: Outraged | Jan 12 2017 16:22 utc | 238
@ Posted by: Glorious Bach | Jan 12, 2017 11:15:22 AM | 237
Well, it's also a Twofer. Meaning a Two for One beneficial deal.
When one is seriously researching their new found zeal for competent feisty political investigative journalism, one can also spend a moment, perusing the, um, 'salty' stuff. Just a moment, though, mind you ;)
Posted by: Outraged | Jan 12 2017 16:27 utc | 239
I'm starting to think that maybe the "Intelligence" Apparat is putting out such obviously false bulls**t to pre empt any other valid questions about Trump's finances. Last week, they explained it to Trump, and now he's sort of accepting their explanation. They know they're in his sights, and wanted to prove how useful they can be. Or am I attributing too much to their thinking process?
Meanwhile, we're preparing for war on the Polish- Belarusian border.
Posted by: Peter VE | Jan 12 2017 16:27 utc | 240
Corbett does a good job of ripping into the official report:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ecxu7EStgs
I would normally see the attacks on Trump as playing politics like trying to impeach Clinton to rally the religous right base. But these go a bit deeper and include people in both parties as well as string pullers from above. Deligitimize and make ineffective before he even takes office? That's powerful stuff. His own statements haven't helped but for so many of the rich/powerful and shameless to join in has only served to reinforce die-hard Trump supporters and independents who are sick and tired of TPTB. Further polarizing America as part of a divide and conquer strategy so they can distract people while they operate behind the scenes? Priceless.
Posted by: Curtis | Jan 12 2017 16:28 utc | 241
Important: Chuck Todd Excoriates Buzzfeeds Editor
Chuck Todd's interview with Buzzfeed editor feels like the Press policing their own. All to the benefit of the cozy relationship between corporate press and government officials.
Leading to the question: Was the dossier ever meant to be published? Or was it meant only to color the perceptions of government officials and the news media?
Would the public have known how weak and false the allegations against Trump were if not for the publication of the full dossier?
Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 12 2017 16:29 utc | 242
Peter VE @240:
Meanwhile, we're preparing for war on the Polish- Belarusian border.
American Troops "Roll Into Poland" In Largest Deployment Since The Cold War
Jackrabbit @23:
If a 25th Amendment action is planned, in the next 10 days we'll likely see something like:Increasing tensions with Russia LEADING TO . . .
Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 12 2017 16:43 utc | 243
Obama's past 3 weeks:
Pushing Sanctions,
Expelling diplomats,
Pushing Propaganda,
Basing his policy on Fake-news,
Escalate with thousands of troops on the russian border
What the hell is wrong with this guy? He lost it so bad mentally.
Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 12 2017 16:47 utc | 244
Barry Friesan@212:
"b, gotta say, this "fight" between the "Intelligence Community" and Trump smells a little funny. Maybe it's all for show. Why are you so convinced it is real? We know Trump is a con artist. Is this how true "intelligence professionals" conduct themselves?"
In Shakespearean terms, (think the metamorphosis of Prince Hal in the history plays) we cannot yet judge what Trump will be before the mantle of the presidency is (metaphorically speaking) laid upon his shoulders. I would however be quite hopeful in light of the manner in which his opposition is behaving. No, I don't think this is fakery; I think they are scared out of their wits.
In effect, Trump is even now destabilizing the intelligence community. He has already said he won't be having the daily briefings. What? Even to suggest such a thing throws doubt into the machinery of martial government we've experienced since GW times.
They would not do this for fun. And yes, this is how our "intelligence professionals" conduct themselves; it's a very limited gene pool.
[I don't know if others have my way of reading comments here, but I have found it expedient to scroll to the name of the person commenting, and to take note of those who are having personal vendettas (a very good way to disrupt a thread). This is a particularly long thread because a lot of that is happening here.
I much appreciate those commenters who don't rise to the bait. Thanks; you know who you are.]
Posted by: juliania | Jan 12 2017 16:47 utc | 245
Interesting tidbits in a new Daily Mail article on Steele:
Today it was revealed Sir Tim Barrow, a former British Ambassador to Moscow who is now the UK's top EU diplomat in charge of Brexit regotiations, worked in the same office as Steele when the Soviet Union collapsed.Sir Tim is understood to have told bosses he had 'nothing to do with' leaking Steele's Trump memos, a Foreign Office source told MailOnline. . . .
MI6 bosses told the Mirror the former spy may now be hiding at a safe house, which could in a different country.
A source said: 'Once his name came out the view was that he could be under threat so steps are being taken to protect him and put him in a more secure environment.'
I thought from the headlines that the Mail article would include a denial to the Mail by Barrow, but the denial, such as it is, is second-hand and curiously expressed.
MI6 is sure acting as though Steele is still one of theirs. Which the D-notice already indicated.
Posted by: lysias | Jan 12 2017 16:47 utc | 246
I wonder if the early Republican candidate for president who originally commissioned Steele's work was not Jeb Bush, with the Bush family's CIA connections.
Posted by: lysias | Jan 12 2017 16:52 utc | 247
Sigh. Here we go again,
Defense secretary nominee Mattis warns world order under historic threat
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/12/defense-secretary-nominee-mattis-warns-world-order-under-historic-threat.html
What did Trump think picking these neocon morons?
Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 12 2017 16:57 utc | 248
@ Posted by: Curtis | Jan 12, 2017 11:28:07 AM | 241
RAOTFL. Thank you. Presented well, factual, covers the key points and done in a very humorous way.
Award it 5 stars *****
@ all, very accessible to forward or show to average Joe/Betty if you want to help them understand this whole Psyop campaign.
Posted by: Outraged | Jan 12 2017 16:58 utc | 249
Odd statements by Clapper on CNN (cached via Eurasia Diary)
The claims were summarized in a two-page synopsis prepared for Trump and Barack Obama ahead of a national security briefing last week. Clapper's statement amounted to the first public confirmation from a US official of CNN's story that the synopsis existed and had been put together for the President, President-elect and eight Congressional leaders.
The dossier had been around for months. Hundreds of journalist had seen it, including Julia Ioffe and Paul Wood. None of them find any part of it factual or newsworthy. It only became newsworthy once the Intelligence Community included it as the centerpiece of their report on Russian interference in the 2016 US election campaign.
"The [intelligence community] has not made any judgment that the information in this document is reliable, and we did not rely upon it in any way for our conclusions," Clapper noted.
No judgement? Not on single one of the tens of different claims? Did the intelligence community even look? Even better, shouldn't the intelligence community have their own dirt on Trump?
So why then was the synopsis included?
Clapper said in his statement that the synopsis was included in the briefing because "part of our obligation is to ensure that policymakers are provided with the fullest possible picture of any matters that might affect national security."
Bullshit!
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jan 12 2017 16:58 utc | 250
@Testing | Jan 12, 2017 6:37:01 AM | 198
Out of the first 68 comments visible to me on the front page the name "Outraged" is attached to 26 of them..
You forgot to mention that out of those 26 comments she used the world "troll" at least 8 times. I haven't seen a bitch throwing multiple hissy fits like this since Samantha Powers started making claims of Russian war crimes in Aleppo. In either case it is the same kind of self-righteous woman whose panties are perpetually bunched up.
@Outraged: If you end up calling 25% of the people posting on a blog "trolls" simply because you don't agree with what they are saying, perhaps you are the one with the "troll" issue.
Posted by: Kenny | Jan 12 2017 17:01 utc | 251
Outraged@236
To me, just the timeline from October makes this whole tangle a suspicious undertaking. Why hold off if the facts are as damning as these purport to be? Was this not dereliction of duty? Its as if Paul Revere got the message that the British were coming and just went out for a midnight ride in total silence for two more months, then shrieked as the Redcoats laid seige, "The British are coming!"
Gee thanks, Paul - where have you been for sixty days?
Posted by: juliania | Jan 12 2017 17:01 utc | 252
That denial didn't last long. Leading French Presidential Candidate Le Pen Spotted At Trump Tower:
As we detailed earlier, leading French presidential candidate Marine Le Pen, is in New York for an unexpected visit. While she has no public agenda to meet with Donald Trump, she has just been spotted there drinking coffee."Le Pen, who leads in the latest opinion poll for the presidency, is making a private visit to New York, her campaign chief of staff, David Rachline, said in a text-message exchange. He declined to say if she would meet publicly with President-elect Donald Trump or anyone from his entourage."
Posted by: lysias | Jan 12 2017 17:10 utc | 253
This is looking more and more like a "Hail Mary Pass" to derail Trump -- They didn't care if it was true, they just wanted a conflagration that would occupy the next two weeks ... and Buzzfeed screwed that up by publishing the dossier. CNN was "supposed" to take the credit/blame for deploying the dossier "FINALLY" ... which I'd guess many have been itching to do for months now. It wasn't actually Buzzfeed's "lack of journalistic standards" ... but even if that's "debatable" it was CNN's decision to run with the story set the ball in motion. (Did inclusion of the 2-page summary prompt CNN to cover the "story" since it had been tacitly been deemed newsworthy by that inclusion? What prompted this apparently long-anticipated media roll-out? A "green light" or a high-level nod? or what?
Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Jan 12 2017 17:16 utc | 254
The hysteria does indeed provide cover for stacking admin with Boilerplate Republican dickheads and Goldman. If the ppl had wanted these, they'd have clamored for JEB!.
Posted by: fastfreddy | Jan 12 2017 17:17 utc | 255
254
This latest post is a bunch of horsepucky.
The McCain memoes were an intel op to bury the lead UK Israeli ambassador-spy program leak. The Podesta tapes and Weiner photos were precisely planned to defeat Rodham, is the real story. Who cares, ding dong the hag-witch is dead, but here's what the McCain Yellow Rain dossier is also covering up:
In the 1970s Governor Reagan turned all the incureables and the insane out of the institutions to save shekels for his rich Hollywood pals. It was quite something to see 10,000s of them lurching and howling up and down the streets of California, to wander off and die in the bushes. I was there.
Now 10,000,000s of incureables and insane will be turned out of the institutions to shuffle and howl on the streets of America, and fill the emergency room wards and Uber taxis, transporting them back and forth at huge taxpayer expense, while those of us who need emergency care wait on gurneys in hallways to see a doctor, all so the Orange Jesuit in Chief can save some shekels for his rich Wall Street friends.
Good job, white men! Pray to your fake plastic Jesus that the invalids don't find you.
And pray that MoA doesn't become another Breitbart franchise, just another Outraged Orange Jesuit troll fan-boy site.
"BOMB THE ZOOKS FOR JESUS!"
Posted by: chipnik | Jan 12 2017 17:50 utc | 256
@ Posted by: juliania | Jan 12, 2017 12:01:53 PM | 252
LOL. That's a really great visual analogy, very funny. One of the best recent posts I've read. :)
Well ... seems to have been originally initiated 4-6 months ago (the report). However, when they actually read the tripe that the MI6 contractor came up with, they new it was bad money spent, worthless, and un-salvageable as any kind of believable, publishable, credible, 'Intelligence Report'.
BUT, they thought, okay, maybe we can shop it around behind the scenes to the ignorant & gullible who would likely swallow it whole ... which they did ... in both Dem & GOP circles, as well as Media, extensively ... which indirectly fed into the election campaign 'Trump is Putin's puppydog' meme.
However, when Trump won (remember ~90% polling certainty for Hillary to win ?), everything went to hell in a hand-basket, and they've been clutching at straws ever since in desperation. Pulling any dirty trick they can to get at Trump. Assess they got so desperate, after he was formally approved by Joint Congress sitting, they decided to try worldwide co-ordinated slander.
The CIA in partnership with conveniently Anonymous Administration officials, simultaneously shopped and marketed, and sought to personally re-assure it's bona-fides to News media worldwide across time-zones, globally ... think on how difficult the advance planning and logistics would have been to organize that, including arranging key meetings with Media outlets and journo's across five continents. No small undertaking.
Buzzfeed was selected because of their 'high standards', and gifted the primary release. It all surfaced in public 24 hours, simultaneously, worldwide, in sufficient time to create an overwhelming, self/mutually supporting, slander tsunami, before Trumps News Conference. Not a coincidence.
And it's still, news. :(
They knowingly decided to take the risk with, 'Dross'. That indicates exceedingly poor judgement, poor consideration of the negative consequence, poor risk management considerations and frankly irrational desperation. Also, every indication so far, is they may be prepared to keep pushing, to the Nth degree. If they do, then this will get very dangerous indeed. Because they can't induce Trump's faction to fold, they keep raising the poker stakes, higher and higher ... because they know their cards can't win ...
If the anti-trump faction coalition doesn't drop this Psyop campaign by the 20th ... :(
CIA is likely to get a long overdue disemboweling from a vengeful Trump faction ... it won't be pretty ... and they handed him the evidence to justify it! Has never been a possibility in the last ~70 years ... same same for the monopoly MSM corporations who've dug their own graves ...
Not dereliction of duty ... treasonous conduct ... no melodrama intended.
That's my take. Peace.
Oh, look, Kenny is back ! D'Oh!
It's not South Park, Kenny, it's the other one and he's brought his buddy chipnik too :(
Posted by: Outraged | Jan 12 2017 18:08 utc | 257
231
If you like The Wall, you can pay for the Wall, out of the $38 BILLION Trump and Congress are set to loot from SS and MC, the same way Kerry and Congress looted $50 BILLION from SS and MC in 2015, to 'backstop the verticals' on the illegal Israeli Junta Coup in Kiev's national privatization 'scheme' junk bonds, with another $38 BILLION from SS and MC going diectly to Israel itself for 'aid'. That's a lot of New Silver Shekels!
Israel, by the way, is Homeland Security's largest contractor on the US southern border, and 'The Wall' will obviously be awarded to the Zooks, under some anagram holding company LLC, now that the Orange Jesuit's Congress has eliminated low-bid contracting in favor of 'best value' e.g. IDIQNB contracts. Mexican cement and gravel plants will provide the materials and the labor, using Chinese fencing steel. It's a two-fer! Jack Ma can't wait to kiss the Orange Jesuit's ring, and start Alibaba'ing Chinese machinery and equipment into the US for his big IPO.
"BOMB THE ZOOKS FOR JESUS!"
Posted by: chipnik | Jan 12 2017 18:09 utc | 258
...
Etymology: Forgery -
Online Etymology Dictionary. 1570s, "a thing made fraudulently,," from forge (v.) + -ery. Meaning "act of counterfeiting" is 1590s. The literal sense of the verb tended to go with forging (late 14c. as "act of working on a forge," 1858 as "piece of work made on a forge").
forgery (n.) - Online Etymology Dictionary
www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=forgery
In essence FAKE
QED. What's say you ? You're yanking my chain, yes ?
Posted by: Outraged | Jan 12, 2017 10:01:38 AM | 227
Nope. This is the second time you've confused me with something that fell off a Christmas tree. We're discussing a literary forgery originating from an era within the cusp of the 19th/20th Century. It's either bizarre or desperate to attempt to obscure the modern meaning of the word 'forgery', in relation to a modern forgery, by scraping the bottom of the History barrel to propose a definition from an era several hundred years before the document in question was forged.
Here's a relevant, plain English, Modern definition.
for·ger·y (ˈfôrjərē) noun
The action of forging or producing a copy of a document, signature, banknote, or work of art.
Note that it includes the word 'copy'.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 12 2017 18:10 utc | 259
OMG
back to square one
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-12/gen-mattis-russia-principal-threat-us-security
Gen. Mattis: "Russia Is The Principal Threat To US Security"
“Our Armed Forces must remain the best led, best equipped, and most ready force in the world,” Mattis told the Senate. “We must also embrace our international alliances and security partnerships.”
The "outsider" figurehead and his merry men.
hahahaha.
And here I was thinking the Russian border would cool down some with Trump.
Posted by: ThatDamnGood | Jan 12 2017 18:16 utc | 260
Figured out how Outraged has dominated suddenly the boards since the US selection, because s/he gets paid by the word, and therefore has a huge dossier of clever Trump fluff pieces, fan-boyed over and over again, by just writing a topical one sentence transition intro, and a classic troll put-down outro, s/he prolly has them lined up waiting, then cc:s the latest post off to h/her paymaster for moar silver shekels.
I'm just so outraged this board was so easily subsumed by the Breitbart demons, and any moment now, h/her will add a fake support poster, to immediately agree with h/her post, say they're 'so glad Outraged is back' and then savage anyone without an orange tongue. Licky, licky, licky! Make the shekels quicky!
"BOMB THE ZOOKS FOR JESUS!"
Posted by: chipnik | Jan 12 2017 18:19 utc | 261
ThatDamnGood
Well now the deep-state and MSM be so happy that the world is NOT pausing towards ww3 but accelerating against it very fast to the cheering of liberals.
Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 12 2017 18:20 utc | 262
@ Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 12, 2017 1:10:24 PM | 259
Hm, you do understand the meaning of the word etymology ? Have confused you with zip.
Misunderstood your ... position ... though. Have obscured, nada. Hm, 'copy', heh ?
We appear to be on entirely different wavelength's on 'your', um, 'topic', it would seem.
All the very best, regards.
Posted by: Outraged | Jan 12 2017 18:22 utc | 263
Mattis is the real deal. A real idiot. Straight out of Dr. Strangelove. Retain those precious body fluids. Good Job, Donald Duck.
Posted by: fastfreddy | Jan 12 2017 18:24 utc | 264
Me thinks CNN and others might start thinking about building their very own Ark and collecting two of everything they can find; it looks like it will be raining on their parade for the next 40+ days, maybe longer.
Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jan 12 2017 18:51 utc | 265
@225 pants, 'Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire'
there's a ton of stuff in that article, Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire.
it looks like the classic neo-con projection of their own crimes - ukrainian 'hacking' the election on behalf of the clinton foundation and dnc - onto their opponents.
@229 ll, 'we are occupied with trivia on some alleged hear-say stuff disseminated to us over the information channels'
that's right, seems to me.
'Please note that it is not the Russians, who actually do not even care to blackmail Trump, but Trump's very own compatriots creating counter propaganda and a damaging fallout on their own country ...'
@232 Gs, 'I assess that a large number of occupants of political positions within the IC are likely to retire very soon'
i hope your assessment is correct.
@235 Mina, 'The ppl want a non US thread!'
'even' this american wants a non-us thread.
@254 suzy, 'They didn't care if it was true, they just wanted a conflagration that would occupy the next two weeks ... and Buzzfeed screwed that up by publishing the dossier'
yes, i think that's it.
Posted by: jfl | Jan 12 2017 18:54 utc | 266
Could it be that Mattis was a highly-strategic appointee beneficial on numerous fronts, not least being to counter the suspicion that Trump is a Ruski agent? Tough = manly and follows the logic of small-hands syndrome. All the while, Mattis is loved and revered by a segment Trump relied upon during the election: Military rank-and-file. Seems like a win-win to me, and nobody gets hurt. But I guess time will see how the pudding is digested. Unleash the armchair analysts: smoke = fuego! War on all fronts!
Sorry to bother you b, but can I please be unbanned or can you look into my ip's inability to post here?
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 12 2017 19:02 utc | 267
267 NemesisCalling
No, thats not likely the plan, Trump's secretary of state said the same neocon warmongering stuff yesterday.
Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 12 2017 19:08 utc | 268
Fighting Russia is what gets the MIC & banksters all hot and bothered. So that's what these swine bray about, and what Hitlery was flogging before she fell. Mattis is playing the game to the neocon gatekeepers. Time will tell what values shine through once Trump & Mattis get in.
Unfortunately, americans have a for profit defense, and by extension, foreign policy, which leaves the People, less secure, not more.
this is America
Posted by: ALAN | Jan 12 2017 19:11 utc | 269
Pulling a J. Edgar Hoover on Trump
The decision by the U.S. intelligence community to include in an official report some unverified and salacious accusations against President-elect Donald Trump resembles a tactic out of FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover’s playbook on government-style blackmail: I have some very derogatory information about you that I’d sure hate to see end up in the press.
'... the darker story might be the CIA’s intervention in U.S. politics ...' again!
After the briefing last Friday, Trump and his incoming administration did shift their position, accepting the intelligence community’s assessment that the Russian government hacked the emails of the Democratic National Committee and Clinton’s campaign chief John Podesta. ... Trump’s change in tone was noted by the mainstream media and was treated as an admission that he was abandoning his earlier skepticism. In other words, he was finally getting onboard the intelligence community’s Russia-did-it bandwagon. Now, however, we know that Trump simultaneously had been confronted with the possibility that the unproven stories about him engaging in unorthodox sex acts with prostitutes could be released ... The classified report, with the explosive appendix, was also given to President Obama and the so-called “Gang of Eight,” bipartisan senior members of Congress responsible for oversight of the intelligence community, which increased chances that the Trump accusations would be leaked to the press, which indeed did happen.
if trump doesn't kill the cia the cia will surely kill trump. and with this obvious leadup ... will be the masters of the field.
Posted by: jfl | Jan 12 2017 19:11 utc | 270
In these times:
Eisenhower warns us of the military industrial complex.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY
Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 12 2017 19:22 utc | 271
@ Posted by: ALAN | Jan 12, 2017 2:11:08 PM | 269
That is, the crux of the matter :(
Posted by: Outraged | Jan 12 2017 19:25 utc | 272
In a Christmas 2016 speech (that was completely ignored by the Western media), Vladimir Putin, the most maligned man on the planet exposed the globalist plot to destroy America and the West.
As a result, Putin is now being demonized by the Western media.
Includes explosive video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bee70unn9aM
Posted by: XR6719 | Jan 12 2017 19:26 utc | 273
@ anon 268
No, that just proves a uniform cohesion in what they want their policy to be appear as. There is disappointment that Donald is not smart enough off the cuff to destroy the msm and ptb wannabe-narrative of Ruski-collusion. But the fact remains that the incoming administration appears to be reactive to these allegations, defensively. In other words, they fell for the trap of them having to prove their own innocence instead of deftly handling these yellow-journalists the way Donald handled CNN yesterday. It would be nice to see more of that, but the American people (his detractors) remain unconvinced and so they will have to put on a show. This is my take, fwiw.
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 12 2017 19:38 utc | 274
Dr. Paul Craig Roberts on Trump, Putin & Hacking & Dossier & ProPornOT - fleshes out the WHOLE picture! (Youtube 25Min46Sec)
Posted by: Outraged | Jan 12 2017 19:38 utc | 275
@173 x+
that's a whack take on putin's speech. if there's such a thing as a left-handed compliment, that's a left-handed slap in the face.
Posted by: jfl | Jan 12 2017 19:39 utc | 276
@235 Mina, 'The ppl want a non US thread!'
what's not to like about the 'outraged' chronicles?
Posted by: james | Jan 12 2017 19:52 utc | 277
Hm, you do understand the meaning of the word etymology ? Have confused you with zip. Misunderstood your ... position ... though. Have obscured, nada. Hm, 'copy', heh?
We appear to be on entirely different wavelength's on 'your', um, 'topic', it would seem.
All the very best, regards.
Posted by: Outraged | Jan 12, 2017 1:22:04 PM | 263
Ah-ha! So this chat was about confusion, was it?
et·y·mol·o·gy (edəˈmäləjē) noun
The study of the origin of words and the way in which their meanings have changed throughout history.
And best regards to you too, Outraged.
And stay focused...
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 12 2017 19:53 utc | 278
I won't comment on what has been said so far, not knowing enough about it, but the continued attack on Trump reminds me a lot of the continued attack on Corbyn in Britain. Mud thrown in all directions in the hope that some will stick. Never mind whether it's true or not. It's the tactic du jour.
In Britain the delegitimisation has to some extent succeeded, and maybe that is why the tactic is being used again. They think they will succeed. However the delegitimising of Corbyn has to a degree succeeded not because of the technique, but because he is a quiet man who doesn't fight back (his greatest fault). That is certainly not the case of Trump, who is impervious.
The only real solution is actual assassination, a danger of which he is no doubt aware.
In between times, the likely consequence is a sharp decline in US credibility and influence in the world. It's leaking away at a fast rate. Whatever may have happened under Bush, nobody's going to take the US seriously in the future.
Posted by: Laguerre | Jan 12 2017 19:56 utc | 279
@169 alan
that is the crux of the matter and any solution to our systemic problem is going to have alleviate the fears of the 'deluded riveters at lockheed' ... to keep their jobs. the last paying jobs for people who actually work in america.
how about ... reestablish sovereignty and channel the new money created for free by our government instead of at interest by the banksters into building a high-speed national rail network, and providing a national internet dialtone, encrypted end-to-end via a national gigabit network, for starters. deconstructing the pentagon, the nsa/cia/fbi and war department, providing national health care, and k to phd education and all points between.
no one is going to attack the usa. most of the offensive gear assembled by the war department can be sold for scrap. the only people likely to launch terrorist attacks against us are the israelis - again - and the motley collection of wahabists the cia has assembled to do the job ... simply stop funding and arming them. recognize palestine and help them set up their state, help rebuild palestine, iraq, afghanistan, libya, syria, ukraine and all the other places the neo-com clinton/bush/obama team has destroyed.
all we have to do is take over our government ourselves and see to it ourselves. forget clinton/trump, and the demoblican/republicrat criminals. set our new law school graduates to trying them for their crimes and convicting them, breaking up monopolies and setting up worker owned enterprises from their components.
the key lies in forgetting this horror show and instead putting one foot in front of the other organizing, creating our own platform of action, choosing representatives from among ourselves, electing them to carry out our platform, and restructuring our electoral process, separating political power and money and insuring that a majority vote by the people prevails in every instance.
we can have anything we want, but it seems we don't want anything enough to just reach out and seize it. so said eugene debs a century ago. we need to go back to the future for a real new american century.
Posted by: jfl | Jan 12 2017 20:10 utc | 280
I recommend reading this book https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/837820.Don_t_Think_Like_a_Human_Channeled_Answers_to_Basic_Questions
jfl @ 280 - Thank you
Posted by: ALAN | Jan 12 2017 20:41 utc | 281
280
This is how the Zooks use reverse-psyop to cover up the fact that the Orange Jesuit and his Zook familia will be running a direct covert in-your-face cointel operation between WADC and Tel Aviv, using Jared Kushner as a non-government runner, (he is not on Mil.Gov payroll) but here the Zooks will have you believe just the opposite, even in the face of a now-buried leak of the UK Israeli ambassador-spy agent provocateur, now they drop this bit of zook fluff.
I'm just so outraged that I'm not earning big silver shekels here on MoA by pushing that tired 'Establishment Is Against Donald' reverse psyop meme! It's so lucrative to be on the Zook payroll!
Hey, you MoAns, the Orange Jesuit and his Zook familia ARE THE ESTABLISHMENT! $30 TRILLION national debt once the Donald is through, that's $1 TRILLION a year in interest-only bleedoff, forever, straight from SS and MC and pension funds and savings accounts into offshore zook bank vaults, e.g. the fabled Great Sucking Sound.
Hey, I hear Jack Ma is in town with The Don and his zook pals on Wall Street, planning an MFN IPO to Alibaba Chinese manufacturing goods and equipment into the US, for some of those $TRILLIONs in infrastructure public-private 'schemes', continuing the New Zook Order Bicycling Contract on USArya, at an Eddy Merckx pace.
"BOMB THE ZOOKS FOR JESUS!" as Billy Graham so eloquently put it.
Posted by: chipnik | Jan 12 2017 20:44 utc | 282
About the kompromat. I can understand it being around during the Soviet era when the state owned everything, but these days when hotels are private property, not so much. Would any hotel owner run a hotel where his customers privacy was so frequently compromised? Has any foreigner in the last fifteen years complained that they've been a victim of state-sanctioned kompromat?
According to the LA Times, the Kremlin denies it:
Putin’s government, unsurprisingly, vehemently denied that any such activity goes on — ever.“The Kremlin does not collect compromising materials,” Putin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told journalists.
The LA Times ridicules the Kremlin's claim and provides only two examples to contradict it, both related to internal matters where the source of the kompromat could be private individuals. Given how often compromising material turns up in the west from private sources, the evidence that the Russian government still indulges in kompromat seems very thin.
Posted by: Ghostship | Jan 12 2017 21:24 utc | 283
Juliana @252, excellent point, but it only deepens my uneasiness with the view I'm seeing much too frequently here (that "the Intelligence Community" is behaving stupidly because they are stupid). In my experience, that view is always a prelude to false analysis.
Posted by: Berry Friesen | Jan 12 2017 21:29 utc | 284
Outraged @123 et seq.
That's some good and useful digging, TVM. It is nice example of blowback from the actions of these 'intelligence' scamsters. Not only have they exposed themselves as idiots, they have exposed some useful and deep links between themselves and others. Your trail of evidence could usefully be made into an article for future reference.
Posted by: Yonatan | Jan 12 2017 21:57 utc | 285
Regarding the allegations of golden showers in the Moscow hotel, some enterprsing journalists have uncovered actual and incriminating evidence:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwEBSuM-sa8
Posted by: Yonatan | Jan 12 2017 21:59 utc | 286
I'd hardly be the first to say that Trump would not be at all bothered by the Russian "compromat". If there are sexual activities, who cares other than US puritans? The French principle is that it is private behaviour, and not an affair of public interest.
No doubt Trump, with his wealth, has been able to do whatever his sexuality asks for. I agree with the French principle - it is not our affair, if there is not an issue with public interests.
Posted by: Laguerre | Jan 12 2017 22:05 utc | 287
Hundreds of reporters had access to the Trump hoax dossier, but it seems that only Kurt Eichenwald of Newsweek used the material. Most of the allegations in the dossier are included in this article from November 4, 2016:
Why Russia is backing Donald TrumpThe Kremlin also has both video and audio recordings of Trump in a kompromat file. Newsweek could not confirm if there is anything compromising in those recordings.
The material has now been reshuffled into a fresh attack:
Trump, Putin and the hidden history of how Russia interfered in the U.S. presidential ElectionPrior to the November presidential vote, Newsweek published an article revealing the scope, intent, mechanisms and global impact of Russia’s interference with the American election, based largely on information from European intelligence services. Given the recent release of declassified government documents confirming large portions of the original article, we are combining new reporting with extensive information from the first Newsweek piece that has yet to be declassified and has been described by individuals from and connected to several foreign intelligence services who spoke on the condition of anonymity.
The claim is bullshit! No declassified government documents were released. The Trump dossier was a private memo by a private company. Instead of confirming anything, it shows that the original article was a hoax. It is based almost exclusively on the Trump dossier, and it stands and falls with it. Eichenwald claimed that his sources were "Western Intelligence". They were not. At best they were former Western Intelligence.
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jan 12 2017 22:10 utc | 288
Eichenwald has been "off his meds" now for months ... if CNN acted where Harry Reid could not, in officially acknowledging the dossier ... I wonder who exactly Eichenwald is serving.
Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Jan 12 2017 23:22 utc | 289
Well, according to a new article in the Daily Mail, the former ambassador to Russia was not Tim Barrow after all, it was Andrew Wood, a Blairite who was ambassador to Russia from 1995 to 2000. According to the Daily Mail article, Wood denies having given the dossier to John McCain, he just told him about the contents of it at a meeting in Canada in November 2016. McCain then sent an emissary to England to get the dossier. The Daily Mail article doesn't say who gave the emissary the dossier. McCain then handed it over to the FBI.
Posted by: lysias | Jan 12 2017 23:55 utc | 290
Israeli Jets Target Munitions Depot in Damascus
A Mezzah military air facility was struck by several explosions near the Syrian capital of Damascus. Israeli warplanes directed fire at an ammunitions hub, producing an enormous explosion, according to Syrian state TV.
Syrian state TV says that the Israeli military conducted the airstrike. The Israeli military declined comment.
This is another provocation to spoil the Trump's Foreign Policy.
Now we can see that the purported criticism of Obama on the Jewish settlements in Palestine was only a smoke curtain to cover their partnership in forcing a showdown with Russia.
Posted by: ALAN | Jan 13 2017 0:03 utc | 291
At this point in time, my BS detector is on overload. Guess the folks who own the megaphone would be overjoyed.
Posted by: ben | Jan 13 2017 0:47 utc | 292
@291
What's the point of having this superb S400 that you're always talking about, vladimir, if we can't use it?
Posted by: jfl | Jan 13 2017 1:11 utc | 293
An Internet rumor has it that (very interesting tidbits):
yesterdays sudden activation of hundreds of S-400 air defense systems to combat alert status was due to President Putin receiving a “grave warning” from the Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) stating that “Deep State” elements within the United States were preparing to assassinate President-elect Donald Trump in order to keep him from taking power on 20 January—and which the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) afterwards will then blame on Russia and cause a war. [Note: Some words and/or phrases appearing in quotes in this report are English language approximations of Russian words/phrases having no exact counterpart.]Coinciding with the SVR warning that Russia was being setup by the CIA to be blamed when President-elect Trump is assassinated, this report notes, President Putin, likewise, received a high-level intelligence briefing from former German defense spokesman Willy Wimmer who stated that “there is a network of resistance against the President (Trump) who will be in office on the 20th of January...and what’s going on in Washington sounds like the beginning of a civil war”—thus causing Putin to issue this grave war order and the MoD to grimly state:
“The SAM combat squads of the Moscow Region aerospace forces have put the new S-400 Triumph air defense missile system into service, and have gone on combat duty for the air defense of Moscow and the central industrial region of Russia.”
Joining both the SVR and German defense spokesman Wimmer about how truly grave and dangerous the situation in America has now become, this report continues, is the Pulitzer Prize winning global intelligence writer and analyst Glenn Greenwald, and who just hours ago published a frightening article titled The Deep State Goes to War with President-Elect, Using Unverified Claims, as Democrats Cheer wherein he warns that the American “Deep State” “is now engaged in open warfare against the duly elected and already widely disliked president-elect, Donald Trump.”
With top German journalist Dr. Udo Ulfkotte having previously warned that “allthe mainstream media writes under direct CIA pressure”, this report details, this American “Deep State” intelligence organization began their operation to assassinate President-elect Trump this week by their leaking to their propaganda mainstream “fake news” media a completely false document alleging that Americas next leader was a “Russian puppet” under the control of President Putin.
Said to have been written by a British ex-Mi6 operative named Christopher Steele, this vile and completely made up fabrication against President-elect Trump (that was labeled as “confidential”, but that the UK has never used as they label their secret papers “official”), MoD experts in this report state that this lie has, nevertheless, had its CIA “desired effect” upon the unsuspecting American people with tens-of-millions of them believing that these lies are true.
As American “Deep State” intelligence operatives had, also, during the 2016 US presidential election sought secret warrants to spy on President-elect Trump’s campaign, this report continues, his enemies not include the rabid communist leftists supporting the Obama-Clinton regime, but also those of his own Republican Party—most notably the George Soros funded US Senator John McCain who funneled this vile lie to the intelligence officials to begin this assassination plot.
MoD experts in this report further note that President-elect Trump was even shockingly warned by top US Democrat Party Senator Chuck Schumer that the CIA “has ways to strike back”—but that Trump ignored by calling these “Deep State” plotters what they truly are: “Just like German Nazis”.
With the CIA, however, having already interfered with and manipulated the elections in 81 nations already, and whose list of nations they’ve overthrown being rightly described as massive, this report notes, their skills in assassinating President-elect Trump, blaming it on Russia, and then installing President Obama to continue in power under “martial law rule” would be almost to impossible to believe—but is most certainly true.
And as thousands of US tanks, armored vehicles and troops continue flooding into Europe by the hour, this report concludes, the MoD has clearly warned these monsters that “we interpret this as a threat to us and as actions that endanger our interests and our security”—and that upon President-elect being assassinated by these “Deep State” plotters, Russia will be left with no choice but to unleash “hell on America” in order to keep these satanic Western globalist elites from destroying our entire planet.
[Note: Though it is strictly forbidden under US federal law to threaten the life of a president or president-elect, in our research of over 1,800 threats on Twitter to assassinate President-elect Trump, not one person has been charged.Does anyone know why?]
Posted by: ProPeace | Jan 13 2017 1:19 utc | 294
@ Posted by: Laguerre #279
The attack on Jeremey Corbyn is for the same reason as the attack on Trump:
“I don’t want to see any more troops deployed on the borders between Nato and Russia,” Corbyn told BBC Wales Today. “I want to see a de-escalation, ultimately a de-militarisation and better relationships between both sides of it … there cannot be a return to a cold war mentality.”
It's matched by the Israeli covert effort to unseat Corbyn using all kinds of British front groups, as Al Jazeera revealed with their hilarious undercover videos.
@ Circe on Iran,
As far as the Iran issue and Rex Tillerson:
Exxon Must Wait for Iran Oil as European Rivals Poised to Pounce from Bloomberg, one year ago.
U.S.-based heavyweights including Exxon Mobil Corp. and Halliburton Co. probably will have to wait -- and may miss out completely because of unilateral sanctions imposed by Washington to punish Iran for its involvement in terrorism and missile development. Those bans will stay in place despite the nuclear deal.
So, Rex Tillerson is likely more interested in lifting the oil sanctions against Iran than anything else, and when Trump says "it was the worst deal ever" what he really means is that a condition of the nuclear deal with Iran should have been Iran granting priority access to American oil companies over European ones. I'm pretty convinced that's the Trump mentality, and that's likely what Rex Tillerson is calling for with his "full review of the Iranian nuclear deal."
Also, I'd guess all of Trump's Cabinet picks are just telling Congress whatever they think Congress wants to hear, and that their statements have almost nothing to do with the agendas they will pursue after being appointed.
@ben on BS overload, 292, indeed.
It's become ridiculous. Like some carbon-copy redo of Iraq War WMD games - Curveball, the Nigerian yellowcake documents, the aluminum tube orders, the biological mobile labs, the chemical weapons production facilities, the whole "Russia did it" story is being constructed in an identical manner:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/feb/15/curveball-wmd-carne-ross
This was exactly how a false case for war was constructed: not by the deliberate creation of a falsehood, but by willfully and secretly manipulating the evidence to exaggerate the importance of reports like Curveball's, and to ignore contradictory evidence.
I doubt many people will buy it, other than your brainwashed media followers - and according to polls, 75% of the American public now distrusts the media, a record level of popular distrust of the official constructed narrative. The fact that in 2013 the U.S. overturned the Smith-Mundt Act that banned the government from producing domestic propaganda, that's also a problem. Could have played a role in the construction of this story, too.
Posted by: nonsense factory | Jan 13 2017 1:41 utc | 295
I dunno if this is a deliberate plant by trump to divert attention away from the real shit or yet another attempt by ClintonInc and it's team of formerly useful now destroyed puppets of ngos (southern poverty law center, sierra club, NOW et al)to fight a rearguard action against the inevitable takeover of the dem party by real y'know actual citizens, and to tell the truth I don't much care.
In January 2009 I didn't waste any energy trying to tell dropkick obama-ites they had bought a pig in a poke, so in January 2017 why bother to harsh the trumpets' mellow? Reality will kick in soon enough, let em enjoy a brief period of wishful thinking.
One thing I do know is that whatever the reason for the incessant carping about Trump will be that once he does kick his machine into gear and really get going on clipping the rubes, all of this previous bulldust is going to make the job of exposing Trump's real crimes against the ordinary normal human beings inside and outside amerika, much more difficult. The lies about trump have been insidious but so ubiquitous as well as badly constructed, that genuine footage of him raping a 90 year old nun would be dismissed as a hoax by most.
The corporate media are like a huge lumbering 1970's 'super'tanker. It takes so long for them to wake up to the new reality and change course the ship has already hit the iceberg and half way to the bottom of the ocean before the bow comes about.
There was a time about 15 years ago when the combination of media conglomeration (2 or 3 assholes owning 100% of TV news and about 70% of fishwraps), plus the nascent status of the net meant that corporate media could work like water dripping on stone, droning on & on & on about something, until most people just sighed and gave up on pointing out that the drongos were loose and talking thru their assholes again, but now that the net is the primary means of humans interacting the corporate media have two chances ( Buckley's and none, of convincing people of anything any longer.
Bezos' investment in WaPo has all the makings of just about everything else he has bought with the money he talked outta fools, that is it will be a long term loser on the bottom line and will also fail as a way of parceling up citizens and auctioning them off to the highest bidder. In fact if I had a few billion lying around my backyard & wanted to exert real influence on the Joe citizens, I would be hunting out an option on Scientology or some other 'modern' piece of superstitious bullshit, as that will be one of the few remaining methods of convincing millions of humans that water is in fact not wet.
Corporate news media is over, we are watching it's death throes which is kinda sad in one way as I suspect that most MoA-ites, while they claim a loathing for mass media, have been real news junkies in their day.
The big challenge for everyone (including sleazy pols) will be ensuring that sufficient numbers of 'folks' have enough in common with each other to vote for who ever has been picked to be the 'winner'.
Trump is just the start of the PTB problems - sure they will eventually cut a deal that satisfies both Trump's underwriters and the old crew who had gotten behind ClintonInc, but the fact that this happened at all has scared the bejeesus outta all the real billionaires and their courtiers.
As I have already posted this is reflected in the decision by englander PM Terri May not to call an election on Brexit. All the polling companies have her streets ahead, but as we know (and many of us have predicted was inevitable) the traditional tools of the pollster (electoral rolls plus white pages - lists of circuit switched phone subscribers, are irrelevant to most voters in 2017 - a quick tip; y'know how google, M$, FB etc, insist on having a mobile phone number nowadays? - allegedly for 'two factor authenticatiion but actually to sell yer mob number to the highest bidder? Buy a burner. Most of the email & big blog sites are wise to the mailinator rort nowadays but there is nothing they can do about a burner. I never get spam on my mobile as I use the burner to 'prove' who I am, then turn it off straight after. Even if there is no money left on your burner account it can still receive txts & calls)
The greedheads are desperately worried that Jeremy Corbyn will beat May in an election and that worse, all the Labour Party hacks (the ones shown on AJ salivating at the thought of a lazy million quid to run yet another anti-Corbyn campaign) will get tipped outta their constituencies by the local branch. There could conceivably be a UK govt which isn't tied to the wishes of the rich. (that would be about the first time since around I dunno 1066, or so).
Of course it is inevitable - well almost inevitable, that the PTB will bribe, bluster & bully a way into forcing us all to hear their incessant untruths, but I don't reckon they will succeed in becoming 'the only voice' ever again, and that is a cause for jubilation.
Posted by: Debsisdead | Jan 13 2017 2:57 utc | 296
What would we do without chipnik comic relief? He speaks the truth in stream of consciousness.
But I have to single out this post; short but to the point:
The hysteria does indeed provide cover for stacking admin with Boilerplate Republican dickheads and Goldman. If the ppl had wanted these, they'd have clamored for JEB!.
Posted by: fastfreddy | Jan 12, 2017 12:17:09 PM | 255
This so-called conspiracy against Trump is a distraction from the real collusion that is going on in plain sight in Washington: the committee hearings on Trump's nominees. These hearings are significant because they're developing a picture of what we can expect from the incoming leadership; what Congress is planning and just how the Trump administration is ready and willing to fulfil the agenda. Only concrete visible acts and words spoken under oath matter when it comes to finally gleaning insight into what Trump is really selling; we've moved beyond the snake oil phase.
If you’ve been watching, and everyone should watch at least in part if they want to hold government leadership accountable for either perjuring themselves or plotting to diminish the rights of people more than they have already done and plotting the next illegal war; then you cannot deny that we are entering an era worse than the last; if that’s possible and unfortunately it is. But time and time again, we ordinary people enable this outcome by falling into the traps that the government cartel, deep state cabal, whatever you want to call them set for us; surrendering on cue to the candidate that is most appealing to the burdened lower class needs and desperation. We, the humble servitude, never get out of this rut of inhibition because we fail to look beyond the façade and challenge it. The table is being set by the Trump administration and Republican-controlled Congress with the most hostile and repressive foreign and domestic policy ever and believe me from the hearings; it appears Russia is still in the crosshairs, but strangely, hardly a peep of objection from anyone here.
Now, as far as Trump is concerned. To me, he has always been totally transparent, the naked emperor (I shudder at the image) and I will agree with the geopolitical writer Engdahl who described Trump's emerging Presidency as the dangerous deception. It is--in spades. I was always 100% convinced of this then and today listening to the hearings of Tillerson (yesterday), Mattis and Pompeo, today, and yet to hear from the other scary actors on Trump's crew; my conviction is already vindicated. What is being said, on both sides back and forth is frightening. Right now Congress is the house of horrors and no one’s watching because their more primal instincts are fully engaged and held captive with golden showers.
There is no doubt in my mind that this administration is colluding with the now majority Republican Congress to further diminish rights of speech, activism, privacy and human rights to name a few. In addition, there is a unanimous obsession on the part of the Senate Foreign Relations and Intelligence Committees questioning Trump’s candidates that we are heading for war with Iran as the majority of questions focus obsessively on Iran and one after another Pompeo, Mattis and Tillerson parrot that Putin's Russia is a bad actor, enemy of the Empire that should be further sanctioned, while Mattis extols the virtues of NATO.
So what have we traded here?: we’ve traded a potential war with Russia (which I also opposed btw) for a potential war with Iran. We’ve traded a leadership that looked the other way on the Bush years erosion of rights on behalf of the war on terror for a leadership that will further erode those rights. We’ve traded a leadership that spins the truth and gave us half-truths for one that is deceptive and opaque and portends to be the most opaque Presidency ever. We’ve traded a leadership that allowed Zionists to carry on illegal settlements with one that will legitimize the entire theft operation and Apartheid with a Presidency that is totally Zio-suborned. We traded a leadership that was in bed with the mainstream with one that will wield power over the press with threats and favouritism and legislation banning alternative online news outlets. We’re surrendering net neutrality.
In other words we literally traded the devil’s advocate for the devil himself. Trump is a multi-billionaire with a cabinet made up of the top 1% Wall Street/Goldman Sachs, the MIC and Zionists all conspiring to diminish rights, suppress awareness to license abuse of power; criminalize activism and continue on the path of imperial war. These hearings are laying the groundwork. This whole conspiracy leading nowhere is a distraction from the dark chapter that Trump is ushering in and that these hearings are signalling. But continue to look for spooky stuff and fish for red herrings meant to stir up concern and fixation with the perils that threaten Trump the almighty who has all your best interests at heart and is going to make everything real great. Allow the sworn statements of Trump's henchmen to go unchallenged while you chase a rabbit down a hole.
Posted by: Circe | Jan 13 2017 3:20 utc | 297
Petri Krohn | Jan 12, 2017 5:10:49 PM | 288
......Kurt Eichenwald of Newsweek.....
Ah, that name rings a bell:
Newsweek Journalist Claims US Intelligence Fed Him False Putin-Trump Conspiracy
or two,
In Clinton Cuckooland: 1000s-Strong Army of Russian Babushkas is Hacking America
or three,
Newsweek Reporter Retracts News Report of Trump Supporters Booing John Glenn
or four,
Newsweek’s Eichenwald Melts Down After Called Out for Lying About Trump Health
Oh, I give up.
Posted by: Ghostship | Jan 13 2017 3:51 utc | 298
Things are getting surreal. I just watched some of Tucker Carlson on Fox. First, he interviewed Glenn Greenwald, who made sense (as he usually does.)
THEN, he interviewed Charles Krauthammer, who I find to be the most insightful commentator on Fox News. Well, GENERALLY SPEAKING.
However, Krauthammer blamed the Buzzfeed pee story on THE RUSSIANS, taking it as fiction of their devising. His 'reasoning' was along these lines: Europe is subject to a lot more propaganda than the US, and the Russian are world class propagandists. Got that?
Now, exactly WHY the Russians would want to create such tales, even back in August, when they're doubtless hoping for a more reasonable American government to result from the current election cycle, is something Krauthammer doesn't address. Apparently, the Russians are such bad boys, they just can't help themselves, so there you have it!
I've previously noted that Krauthammer refers to Putin as a "dictator", so I can't say I'm totally shocked by his idiotic "argument". However, the "Putin = dictator" meme has infected a lot of TV talking heads (including at Fox News), so Krauty wasn't sticking out from the herd of 'journalist' mediocrities. His recent "Russians did it" theory, though, seems like it's pushing the envelope. (Though I've been busy, so haven't had time to check this.)
In any event, I think I see a general pattern, here. Viz.,
RUSKI DERANGEMENT SYNDROME > TRUMP DERANGEMENT SYNDROME.
Trump is being attacked, but blaming such as attack as having Russian origin seems to be more about toxifying Russia than toxifying Trump. The calculus by the perps (I assume the US Deep State) is to make Russia so toxic in the American mind that Trump will recoil from a sane approach to cooperation with Russia, reflexively, as a means of destressing, even if he consciously thinks it's ridiculous.
Frankly, I wish the Russian government was more proactive, creative and even vehement in shooting down the US propaganda.
Regarding "creative', I just had a thought. Vladimir Putin (or a proxy) could tweet Trump once a day. Vlad could ask Trump such questions as,
"Please have Charles Krauthammer of Fox explain why he keeps calling me a dictator. Does he not know that we have a Constitution, Duma, and that i have to run for office?"
"Please ask the CIA why they think it's such a grand idea to provide MANPADS to terrorists? If the terrorists shoot an American jetliner out of the sky, will they still insist that they're clever?"
"Please ask President Obama why he didn't bomb the ISIS oil caravans before we did, since he's supposedly against ISIS"
etc.
This might be an ultimate expression of political judo. Neither CNN nor Fox are going to give the Russians fair treatment, and most Americans probably never heard of RT, etc.
Ah, but everybody's heard of Twitter, and Trump is quite the Twitter-communicator.....
According to the Guardian article today Christopher Steele is a highly respected agent for MI6 with flawless credentials. One of his big accomplishments was tying Putin directly into the murder of Litvenenko. He is also noted for his close contacts with Russian oligarchs that have "retired"to London and Israel in the last 15 years. This makes Steele an unassailable source. Trump should be quacking in his boots.
Posted by: ToivoS | Jan 13 2017 4:07 utc | 300
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Daily Mail says there was a D-notice preventing Brit media from naming Steele, until a WSJ article appeared naming him. Latest Daily Mail article on Steele all but says Tim Barrow is the unnamed ambassador, but stops short of doing so. I speculate that there is a D-notice protecting Barrow that is still in effect.
D-notices at least suggest that creating and distributing the dirty dossier was an official government action, and that Steele, although ostensibly retired, is in fact still working for MI6/SIS.
A further conclusion: Would MI6 do this without CIA approval?
Posted by: lysias | Jan 12 2017 12:02 utc | 201