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January 30, 2017
Open Thread 2017-04
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Single payer health care. Posted by: George the Curious | Jan 30 2017 17:48 utc | 1 Safe zone again Posted by: OSJ | Jan 30 2017 17:52 utc | 2 The safe zone idea is OK if located in Alexandretta and Golan Heights and these areas are returned to Syria when no longer needed. Posted by: Albertde | Jan 30 2017 18:05 utc | 4 YouTube is engaging in selective enforcement and I have been unfairly targeted. Youtube’s policy change claims they won’t monetize “Controversial or sensitive subjects and events, including subjects related to war, political conflicts, natural disasters and tragedies, even if graphic imagery is not shown” YET I have see others able to monetize their videos about Israel and Palestine (videos regurgitating the dominating narrative) yet I have had my videos on Israel demonetized which simply state facts. AND IT IS EVEN WORSE THAN THAT NOW because my channel is now on a list so that EVERY SINGLE NEW UPLOAD REGARDLESS OF TOPIC is automatically demonetized! For example, I have uploaded a video simply saying “Merry Christmas” and it gets demonetized and then I can dispute it and such a video will most likely get monetized BUT most of my videos on war, or political conflicts are refused monetization. Posted by: Tom Murphy | Jan 30 2017 18:14 utc | 5 They are only studying ‘safe zones’ now, right? Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 30 2017 18:17 utc | 6 We should all start to PANIC NOW, says one Yonatan Zunger. Posted by: persiflo | Jan 30 2017 18:19 utc | 7 The BBC: Myth of a Public Service Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 30 2017 18:33 utc | 8 Science is dead! http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/02/17/guest-column-kevin-ryan-science-died-911/ Posted by: Barbarossa | Jan 30 2017 18:38 utc | 9 If it’s not already clear, @5 and @8 should cause anyone with a level head to be very skeptical of anti-Trump messaging. Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 30 2017 18:39 utc | 10 G the C @1: Thanks for the link. Posted by: ben | Jan 30 2017 18:53 utc | 11 Barbarossa @ 10:With enough money invested you can find lots of ways to convince people water isn’t wet. Posted by: ben | Jan 30 2017 19:09 utc | 12 @ George the Curious. Single payer health care is looking like the unicorn of American politics and policy. Colorado just defeated a ballot measure to institute it. Even state democrats were against it. Sanders publicly supported it. The only thing I can say is the propaganda works; remember the golden rule–he who has the gold rules. Posted by: Erelis | Jan 30 2017 19:10 utc | 13 b,I was wondering if anyone else had brought forward the idea of coding in the ability to jump to the bottom of the page? (Most recent comments) I’m sure I’m not the only one who reads comments “newest first.” It gets tiresome to have to scroll through all the long-winded rants sometimes. Otherwise, great blog. Simple is good, so keep everything else as is. Thx for considering Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 30 2017 19:18 utc | 14 American foreign policy is a disaster for the people of the United States and the rest of the world – that’s the bottom line. The bloated foreign military budget means basic issues like infrastructure, education and public health can’t be addressed until that budget is cut by about 50%. That would involve steep cuts in financing NATO, a reduced military presence in Asia, Africa, and the Middle East, and cuts in weapons buying. The total military budget is $600 billion; about $200 billion goes to weapons procurement, propping up defense contractors like Lockheed Martin, Boeing, etc. This is the cash cow the Deep State is bent on protecting; that’s a main reason Clinton and her cohort were pushing so hard to restart the Cold War, to lock in the cash for decades to come. Trump has likewise promised to keep the military budget intact – all those generals on his team can thus look forward to cushy future jobs on the boards of various government contractors. Posted by: nonsense factory | Jan 30 2017 19:21 utc | 15 I think Donald mentioning safe zones has several benefits but I realize how someone might easily construe this as Hillaryesque. Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 30 2017 19:28 utc | 16 Suggested criteria for successful Safe-Zones for Syrians. @6 Tom Murphy Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 30 2017 19:35 utc | 18 How about Trump falling right in line with the CIA’s plan to destroy seven nations in five years as told by General Wesley Clark. War’s back on gentleman, overt war. No Saudi Arabia ban no Pakistan ban . . . great. Posted by: Au | Jan 30 2017 19:53 utc | 19 White Helmets being feted at Sundance; “Cries From Syria“. This is the same Israeli musical theatre producer (not a joke! this, before he was picked to direct “real” drama in Syria and beyond) who did the pro-putsch Ukrainian documentary “Winter on Fire“, which received and Oscar nom for best doc. He did another, “Pray For Ukraine”, the year before. And this is the extent of his “serious” film career.
You’d think the deep state, at least for their ne plus ultra propaganda, would hire different directors, but no. When I see this, and how utterly revered such behavior has become I can’t help but think we’re not too far from rock bottom. I guess I just never figured that Hollywood would record and sometimes even produce it all, in all of its disgusting glory. But hey, job creation! Posted by: sejomoje | Jan 30 2017 19:57 utc | 20 Only one of the two men arrested in the minutes after the terror attack at a mosque in Quebec City is a suspect, police revealed Monday, saying the other man they handcuffed was a witness. Posted by: Tom Murphy | Jan 30 2017 20:03 utc | 21 EU liberals whine again. Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 30 2017 20:26 utc | 23 What would be the point of any Safe zone in Syria anyway? If its for citizens safety, its already done by Syria’s government in its controlled territory. Is to better protect them from terrorists? I very much doubt US will EVER care one bit about it. Posted by: Harry | Jan 30 2017 20:32 utc | 24 I would encourage all posters here to read the “panic now” link @ # 8: You don’t have to believe it, but it’s worth a read. Time will tell if it’s BS or not. Posted by: ben | Jan 30 2017 20:37 utc | 25 I am extremely interested in two things that will become extremely powerful elements that will really shape the future of the world. Posted by: blues | Jan 30 2017 20:39 utc | 26 @27: A solution to global drying? Posted by: ben | Jan 30 2017 20:48 utc | 27 The safe zone will allow civilians who succeed to flee towns occupied by ISIS to have a place to stay. Posted by: virgile | Jan 30 2017 20:57 utc | 28 – Steve Bannon to be involved in US foreign policy. Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 30 2017 21:01 utc | 29 How can anyone see Trumps seven nation ban as anything other than a reactivation of the post 9/11 Neo Con foreign policy which means we get to continue to be the military arm of Saudi Foreign policy. Posted by: Au | Jan 30 2017 21:14 utc | 30 Harrry 25 writes Russia openly blasted Assad for desire to reclaim all of Syria and said they’ll withdrew all its support if Syria tries to do it. Russia can easily divide Syria in zones of influence with US if they agree on terms. Posted by: ToivoS | Jan 30 2017 21:21 utc | 31 safe zone – ‘usa-saudi and etc friends’ staying the fuck out of others countries.. if you can get that, it’s possible to get one in syria and elsewhere.. Posted by: james | Jan 30 2017 21:27 utc | 32 @8, @26 Ben Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 30 2017 21:31 utc | 33 Nemesis @15, all computers have a page down button that gets you to the bottom of the page immediately. Posted by: mischi | Jan 30 2017 21:32 utc | 34 @ mischi Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 30 2017 21:34 utc | 35 @34 I personally wouldn’t call the story garbage but I was left underwhelmed after reading it despite a few interesting speculations. Posted by: Au | Jan 30 2017 21:35 utc | 36 @37 unfounded speculation galore. One false premise to the next. Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 30 2017 21:36 utc | 37 blues @27 Posted by: ALberto | Jan 30 2017 21:38 utc | 38 @31 Au – I’m not so sure if the seven nation’s ban is a lead up to more 9/11 NeoCon style of foreign policy, but it does seem to point in that direction, even if it’s just a continuation of Obama’s policy (but on steriods). I did hear a blip of KelleyAnn Conway screeching on the Sunday shows about how the seven nation ban was put in place to keep us safe from a 9/11 repeat (not her words but essentially what she meant). Conway said it in a more emotive fashion – speaking about all the children who went to bed in America after 9/11 without parents and how Trump is ensuring that won’t happen again. Posted by: RUKidding | Jan 30 2017 21:42 utc | 39 Actually, Trump’s executive order doesn’t even name the seven countries. The critical language is in section 3(c) of the executive order:
So the seven countries are those singled out for special treatment by section 217(a)(12) of the Immigration and Naturalization Act, as amended in 2009 by the Travel Promotion Act of 2009, Pub. L. No. 111-145, which, as it happens, was passed by a Democratic Congress and signed by President Obama. Posted by: lysias | Jan 30 2017 22:05 utc | 40 Mystery death of ex-KGB chief linked to MI6 spy’s dossier on Donald Trump
Does this mean that linking the death of Seth Rich to the DNC leaks is fair game? Posted by: Tobin Paz | Jan 30 2017 22:07 utc | 41 IMO, Chicago ought to merit primary consideration for the establishment of a Safe Zone, followed by ones that quarantine the Pentagon, CIA Headquarters, State Department, Federal Reserve, and the entire financial districts of New York and London. Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 30 2017 22:09 utc | 42 Re: Safe Zones – I think everyone is missing the point of what is ultimately desired here. The humanitarian guise is to accomplish Turkish and Israeli border-buffer goals. They don’t care how much manpower it takes to secure them because that’s what the UN is for. Even if the UN can’t provide a force large enough, the U.S. and crony coalition will step in and volunteer (demand) to monitor the areas with aircraft/drones. This gives the U.S. plenty of spying capability and provides a ready casus belli for accusing Syria and Hezbollah of ‘violating’ the zones and periodically attacking them. Posted by: PavewayIV | Jan 30 2017 22:25 utc | 43 @ ToivoS | 32
How could you miss it? It was all over the news, it takes just two secs to find it: Posted by: Harry | Jan 30 2017 22:38 utc | 45 @41 that’s good information, thank you. I am entirely fine with laying blame on the democratic congress / obama, I do not mean to single out Trump in this but I certainly don’t think it bodes well for much of a reversal in our middle eastern fp. I suppose the wild card at this point is the russia relationship moving forward. Posted by: Au | Jan 30 2017 22:40 utc | 46 PavewayIV – enjoyed reading what you wrote, all smacks as truth to me. Posted by: Au | Jan 30 2017 22:47 utc | 47 cf. ‘Safe Zones’, I don’t quite understand it yet. Has Russia already accepted the partition, since it won’t be possible to drive the US out of Rojava/ Kurdish Syria anyway? Defining zones of influence now, to at least limit the potential for escalation? Posted by: smuks | Jan 30 2017 23:04 utc | 48 @Ben #8 Posted by: smuks | Jan 30 2017 23:04 utc | 49 Obama Killed a 16-Year-Old American in Yemen. Trump Just Killed His 8-Year-Old Sister. Posted by: jfl | Jan 30 2017 23:10 utc | 50 PWIV @44– Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 30 2017 23:17 utc | 51 Some positive coverage of Tulsi Gabbard’s Syria trip among the barrage of corporate media attacks:
It is interesting to see which media outlets are most actively attacking Gabbard for going to Syria; it’s a pretty good indicator of which ones have the closest Deep State ties (Washington Post, The Hill, Daily Beast, FOX News, MSNBC, Associated Press, Salon, Guardian, etc.) – an equal spread of “liberal” and “conservative” media outlets. Posted by: nonsense factory | Jan 30 2017 23:17 utc | 52 @44 pw ‘Syrian refugees are impoverished and most don’t have homes any more – they’re not going anywhere. The refugee camps will exist for years, ensuring a prolonged period of land-theft from Syria via the UN safe-zone scheme.’ Posted by: jfl | Jan 30 2017 23:26 utc | 53 smuks @51 Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 30 2017 23:26 utc | 54 Safe Havens Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 30 2017 23:38 utc | 55 @56 Jack Posted by: smuks | Jan 30 2017 23:46 utc | 56 @50 smuks, What was this Yemen operation about, anyone has an idea? Getting rid of potentially annoying witnesses?’ Posted by: jfl | Jan 30 2017 23:58 utc | 57 @58 Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 30 2017 23:59 utc | 58 The shooter in Quebec has been identified as Alexandre Bissonette, who is a fan of Trump, the Israeli Army and other far right groups.
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/quebec-mosque-attack-suspect-liked-trump-israeli-army-french-far-right Posted by: Circe | Jan 31 2017 0:06 utc | 59 Circe, TheRealDonald, and other commenters tell us that Trump is an uber-Zionist. If so, then why do so many Israelis and Jews hate Trump with such passion? Posted by: Circe | Jan 31 2017 0:20 utc | 60 @61 Circe Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 31 2017 0:21 utc | 61 no matter how many times i change the channel i always get trump 24/7… gets tiring, lol.. Posted by: james | Jan 31 2017 0:24 utc | 62 @44 paveway.. thanks.. that makes a lot more sense.. obviously we will not be hearing it presented this way in any msm outlet.. Posted by: james | Jan 31 2017 0:29 utc | 63 My previous reply was for @56 Jackrabbit Posted by: Circe | Jan 31 2017 0:34 utc | 64 @66 Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 31 2017 0:45 utc | 66 @1 George the Curious and @14 Erelis Posted by: Marnie | Jan 31 2017 0:50 utc | 67 @63 Posted by: Circe | Jan 31 2017 0:54 utc | 68 @ Posted by: james | Jan 30, 2017 7:24:49 PM | 64
From the mouths of babes …
Posted by: Outraged | Jan 31 2017 1:11 utc | 69 @jfl 59 Posted by: smuks | Jan 31 2017 1:21 utc | 70 I think the link below provides a good summary of the R2P cabal in place to feed on Americans being thrown under the bus. Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 31 2017 1:40 utc | 72 Trump is a political newcomer trickster, bearing insight and misconception in various proportions, juggling many considerations, and inflicting political-cultural shock therapy to our unprecedented contemporary context. Trump likes and appreciates and empowers Bannon, he who mass-BS-media are variously apoplectic about, dismissive of, fearful of, and heaping vilification on. This is a good sign. Posted by: canuck | Jan 31 2017 1:52 utc | 73 279 smuks, ‘though the entire operation looks a lot like ‘make sure no one gets out alive’ to me.’ Posted by: jfl | Jan 31 2017 1:52 utc | 74 NemesisCalling@63 Posted by: P Walker | Jan 31 2017 1:55 utc | 75 ^ continued “heavy balkanization of thought” can you explain that? i like that terminology. Posted by: Au | Jan 31 2017 1:57 utc | 76 @67 Probably because it takes a lot of time and effort to build up the kind of traffic b gets. Posted by: dh | Jan 31 2017 1:59 utc | 77 Harry | Jan 30, 2017 5:38:15 PM | 46 Posted by: ToivoS | Jan 31 2017 2:05 utc | 78 Anyone interested in why the Mega-Media-Corpses didn’t provide any detail on the Executive Order(EO) re the restructure of the National Security Council(NSC) & created a massive over-the-top reaction/distraction re the EO on Immigration/Visas temporary ban, worldwide ?!
Think back to the speech to the Analysts/Admin staff on Trumps first official visit, to CIA … Posted by: Outraged | Jan 31 2017 2:31 utc | 79 @77 p walker, ‘Trump has emboldened the crazies? We are in a downward spiral … with a bunch of Tudjmans being admired and leading the population down into the abyss.’ Posted by: jfl | Jan 31 2017 2:40 utc | 80 ToivoS @80 Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 31 2017 2:47 utc | 81 dh @79
That, and the fact that he is a one-issue troll with a (paid?) mission to influence so he has no desire to start his own blog (like any other know-it-all loudmouth would have by now). Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 31 2017 3:08 utc | 82 @81 outraged.. thanks.. i am not sure what to make of what you share in your post.. is that tin foil hat stuff, or is it supposed to be legit? i am never sure about thierry meyssan.. i have never had a clear read on his agenda.. i have read him before, but keep coming away with a mixed bag of fruit from him… Posted by: james | Jan 31 2017 3:12 utc | 83 @77 P Walker Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 31 2017 3:25 utc | 84 @70 Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 31 2017 3:34 utc | 85 Outraged @81 Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 31 2017 3:35 utc | 86 @71 Posted by: Circe | Jan 31 2017 3:41 utc | 87 We don’t need to attack ISIS with boots on the ground. Just squeeze them through the banking system. Make sure the Saudis and the Turks can’t sneak in arms or aid. Then give Russia and the SAA the logistical support to give ’em hell. Posted by: Fidelios Automata | Jan 31 2017 3:53 utc | 88 @81 or, ‘The CIA, which until now has been the president’s weapon for conducting secret actions, has finally become an intelligence agency in the true sense of the word, that is, responsible for studying international actors, anticipating their actions and advising the President.’
… then again mike pence may and tee-rump may not. which one of the two wrote the memorandum? or did K.T. McFarland write it? for some reason the announcement posted at the white house itself includes the ‘THE Deputy Assistant to the President and National Security Advisor to the Vice President’ as shown, in mixed case, while all the others are uniformly in upper case. reading the tea leaves … that’s still what we’re reduced to. Posted by: jfl | Jan 31 2017 3:54 utc | 89 ALberto | Jan 30, 2017 4:38:21 PM | 39 [He said:] Posted by: blues | Jan 31 2017 3:57 utc | 90 @85 james, @88 jr Posted by: jfl | Jan 31 2017 3:57 utc | 91 @outraged… is it possible? a moment just like that, what a relief Posted by: Jocelyn Braddell | Jan 31 2017 3:59 utc | 92 @70 Posted by: Fidelios Automata | Jan 31 2017 3:59 utc | 93 @92 blues Posted by: jfl | Jan 31 2017 4:14 utc | 94 @ Posted by: james | Jan 30, 2017 10:12:22 PM | 85
From the EO:
The Director CIA no longer gets a de facto seat. The Director of National Intelligence and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff no longer get automatic seats. The only other occasion where this was the case, IIRC, was the start of Bush Jrs Administration, where it was briefly, as required, until 9/11, then it promptly changed back to permanent seats again and ever since … this EO changes the practices of the last 16 years since 9/11 …
It is only an ‘Indicator’, yet possibly a significant indicator re change regarding the last 16 years of the Global War on Terra. Posted by: Outraged | Jan 31 2017 4:35 utc | 95 https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/trial-balloon-for-a-coup-e024990891d5#.2kot74ej3 Posted by: aaaa | Jan 31 2017 4:47 utc | 96 Trump goes right ahead and says it about these two anti-Russia, anti-Syria, anti-Iran, pro-ISIS warmongers: aaaa @98 Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 31 2017 5:06 utc | 98 With regards to Balkanization, I’m referring to how the larger population is breaking down into tribes that essentially hate and cannot tolerate the other. Each side just digs in and then unleashed acts they accuse the other side of doing while unable to acknowledge they do the same. “Evil cannot see its reflection in a mirror.” Posted by: P walker | Jan 31 2017 5:11 utc | 99 Outraged @97 Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 31 2017 5:11 utc | 100 |
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