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January 14, 2017

Open Thread 2017-02

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Posted by: nmb | Jan 14 2017 16:25 utc | 1

Oui 2
It used to be the other way around. US Secrets acquired by Israel wound up shared with the Soviet Union. But would a Trump administration share Israeli secrets with Russia? I doubt it. Russia knows enough about what is going on with Israel but more importantly Trump and a good bit of his staff are as pro-Israel as Bush's was (which included dual citizens). And in this case their big bogeyman is Iran and the idea of a US to Russia to Iran secrets deal to harm Israel. Geeee. These people whether Baby NuttyYahoo or the rest are getting shrill ... and paranoid.

Posted by: Curtis | Jan 14 2017 16:45 utc | 3

An open thread?

Hoo boy ... this ought to bring out the nut cases. I mean, here I am!

Posted by: rg the lg | Jan 14 2017 16:49 utc | 4

Here's an article by Mike Whitney:

Posted by: rg the lg | Jan 14 2017 16:51 utc | 5

@rg the lg | Jan 14, 2017 11:49:03 AM | 4


Posted by: OJS | Jan 14 2017 17:10 utc | 6

Sputnik Reports From Terrorist Chemical Factory in Aleppo (VIDEO)

Read more:

Posted by: OJS | Jan 14 2017 17:16 utc | 7

It was never us westerners who pursued Empire, it was the Oligarchy that rules over us from the shadows.

The election of Trump marks the first serious revolt against the Oligarchy.

The revolt came from the long suffering central region of the US, the very place where the backbone of the empire's army is recruited. Think about that. This is not about race, this is about the economic demise of the working and middle class at the hands of the costal elites. They are tired of the foreign wars and increasing federal interference in their lives and more and more, they see Washington as the enemy, and not some foreign bogey man. They are angered that the "left" is obsessed with figuring out who can use what bathroom, but don't care a whit that families are having a hard time paying the rent.

Think about it. You on the left have come to despise the "stupid bigots" of the working class and have abandoned your traditional role as their defenders for the cult of Cultural Marxism.

In abandoning Clasical Liberalism for Cultural Marxism, you on the left are now more aligned with the Oligarchy that runs the empire than you are with defending the rights of the plebs. Remember, the Oligarchy also hates the working class because they have the power to rebel.

The left have become the useful idiots of the Oligarchy. It is not the right who is calling for censorship. It is not the right who is questioning the value of democracy. It is not the right who are engaging in increasingly violent behavior towards the common man. It is you.

Nobody has really noticed, but these last 10 years everything has become the opposite of what it is supposed to be.

The revolution against the Oligarchy that the left has been waiting for these last 100 years has finally arrived and lo, you are aligned with the Oligarchy, and are on the wrong side of history. If you succeed in keeping Trump out of office, what comes next is much much worse.

Posted by: Anon | Jan 14 2017 17:16 utc | 8

For all you sheep who weren't quite convinced whether russia is really the evil super hacking power that threatens your way of life.
Now russia is hacking the holy altar and central point of every sheep's existence, your living room TV.
Uaaaaarrrrgh. It's so scary. Please make it go away.

Posted by: radiator | Jan 14 2017 17:19 utc | 9

Rohrabacher: Trump ‘Reaching Out’ to Russia, ‘Rather Than Beating Them Up’ All the Time

Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 14 2017 17:22 utc | 10

Will Obama pardon Hillary? Is Comey's investigation forcing his hand?

What impact will there be on his "legacy" if the Nobel-prize winner pardon's Hillary but not Manning?

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 14 2017 17:30 utc | 11


The UNZ article conclusions are supported by the recent Israeli attack on the Syrian airfield, the rapid NATO military buildup in the Baltics and poland, as well as the attacks on Trump and his support team from every direction. The near total brainwash of the American public is certainly as great if not greater than what the Nazis accomplished in Germany.

Posted by: Musburger | Jan 14 2017 17:34 utc | 12

Posted by: rg the lg | Jan 14, 2017 11:49:03 AM | 4
An open thread?
Hoo boy ... this ought to bring out the nut cases. I mean, here I am!

Mee tooo.

Recalling my comment from yesterday:

“Of course, if Vlad has the vids, then they aren’t going to surface, but the sanctions will be lifted. IOW, if DTDuck lifts the sanctions, then we’ll know Vlad has a vid of DTDuck’s junk and Miss Mexico’s hoo-ha. No doubt Anthony Weiner and Bill Clinton will be jealous. Me, too, theoretically.” Posted by: Denis | Jan 13, 2017 6:49:31 PM | 100

Today’s headlines (Reuters):

Trump suggests he may do away with Russia sanctions if Moscow helpful: WSJ

I think not . . .

Probably not that either . . .

Misanthropic deduction based on profoundly pessimistic view of human nature?

Posted by: Denis | Jan 14 2017 17:52 utc | 13

@ 2 and 3, I'm pretty sure the significance is that Israel is now piling on to the anti Trump coup.

Posted by: Lysander | Jan 14 2017 18:10 utc | 14

Putin likes Trump!

At the end of article ...
UPDATE-1 :: Trump Inauguration: Thaw In US – Russia Relations

Turkey and Russia to invite U.S. to Syria talks in Astana | Reuters - Jan. 14, 2017 |

Posted by: Oui | Jan 14 2017 18:10 utc | 15

"Trump suggests he may do away with Russia sanctions if Moscow helpful: WSJ"

Cue charges of blackmail.

Posted by: dh | Jan 14 2017 18:13 utc | 16

What's the point in having an open-thread if they start with Trump here too?


Posted by: Mina | Jan 14 2017 18:15 utc | 17


Your 'revolution' (sic) was just the matzo ball mafia doubling down on the galvanizing OWS psyop campaign, pandering to the meth heads in middle america where the future is past. Rabbinical endtiming tent revivals and The Donald riding a white unicorn farting rainbows, with neo-fascist hatred mongering of the still-thriving west coast economy.

You can confirm that in just 15 minutes of browsing the propaganda machine at matzo ball central, drudge and breitbart, brushing off all trump's lies: hillary won't be indicted, americans will have to pay for 'The Wall' (National Police State) out of their own SS and MC, the Goldmans and Generals filling his cabinet, 'Mr. Anti-Establishment' (sic), China's Jack Ma at his Left Hand, Bibi Netanyahu at his Right Hand, and a now $29 TRILLION platinum card for mayhem and mischief, high crimes and misdemeanors.

Everything Trump pledged was a lie! He immediately shucked off every pledge when the selection was over, and the voices of the flyovers and repugnant rabble are now drowned out forever by the relentless Sethian chorus of paid Zook posters and right wing fake news casters, the false-flag psyop that Trump is 'under attack', the huge screaming TRUMP banner at the inauguration, leadership by phone-in, tweeting from his 24k gold penthouse.

Someone once said that 'goyim' was actually a pretty accurate description of middle america, because the cattle could always be relied upon to vote against their own best interests. And so it's all Zooks and Generals now, with a $10 TRILLION credit-debt hellstorm about to visit humanity, in what, 6 more days?

I'm willing to bet the hysteria will be whipped so high, deluded followers will be laying palm fronds at Trump's feet, and women will be fainting in his presence, or holding up their children offering. 'Take me!' 'Choose ME!'

A story as old as the rolling rock and the matzo ball. A sad tale, billions slaughtered.

Posted by: chipnik | Jan 14 2017 18:16 utc | 18

@Lysander - #14

You must realize the intelligence community (IC) is totally independent from politicians or state policies, they have their own set of rules and a different dynamic. Just review the lead-up to the Iraq War, Ukraine Maidan coup d'état, etc. Historically with Bay of Pigs and the Gulf of Tonkin incident. The IC is leading!

Putin and Netanyahu are on excellent speaking term!

The strange love affair of Putin and Netanyahu

Posted by: Oui | Jan 14 2017 18:23 utc | 19

The "dossier" is being used to cement the Russian-hacking allegations (still no evidence) at true-fact ... as well as Comey-cost-Clinton-the-election as true-fact ... as well as Comey-the-partisan-protects-Trump as true-fact.

Americans don't understand that "sanctions" are a form of economic warfare.and psst, tend to be rather blazingly ineffective except as a excuse to mount the bully pulpit and lambast the enemy-du-jour and back up bluster with "more sanctions" ...

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Jan 14 2017 18:24 utc | 20

@ Posted by: Mina | Jan 14, 2017 1:15:11 PM | 17

Post or discuss anything at all! It is an OPEN Thread, any AND all topics, intermingled, as long as civility is maintained.

It only excludes a particular topic when b includes something like, (No US election news!) in the Open Thread title Header.

It is free open range/steppe! Go for it! :))


Posted by: Outraged | Jan 14 2017 18:39 utc | 21

Anyone at the bar that is planning to be in D.C. for inauguration?

If so, hope you will post your thoughts on the happenings.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 14 2017 18:41 utc | 22

@ Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Jan 14, 2017 1:24:51 PM | 20

Indeed. The very calling of SSCI Hearings is outrageous. Until after the new POTUS has settled in and had their first 100 days honeymoon ... but this is a Gloves OFF fight now between the factions, so forget all those traditional niceties!

Comey's future, is now intimately linked to Trumps fate ... bet he hopes he chose wisely !

AFAIK the sanctions have actually improved the underlying economic foundations in Russia as a result of greater independence and internal domestic self-reliance/manufacturing/production, especially some agricultural products like fruits .. HaHa!

Though one claims any/zero/zilch economics specialty/knowledge whatsoever ... just my personal impression from what I've read.

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 14 2017 18:49 utc | 23

@ 2 and 3, I'm pretty sure the significance is that Israel is now piling on to the anti Trump coup.

Posted by: Lysander | Jan 14, 2017 1:10:12 PM | 14

Yeah and that's like saying Friedman, Kuschner and the other Wall Street Goldman Zionists on his team are going to hog tie him and put him on display in the rotunda.

Honestly, do you expect us to believe the crap you just pooped? TRUMP has his A..s all in for Israel. He's twisted into a pretzel for ZIONISM.

And then we have someone linking Breitbart....H...AYE. The Zio-goebbel hasbara on steroids.

Posted by: Circe | Jan 14 2017 18:57 utc | 24

chipnik | Jan 14, 2017 1:16:26 PM | 18

Thanks for enlightening us.

You should spell that "chumpnik"

Posted by: Perimetr | Jan 14 2017 18:59 utc | 25

Outraged, there is a thread related to Trump and the attacks on Trump. Why spoiling the other thread?
Should I simply get back on the 21st?
Does US hysteria have to monopolize every screen, every news, every broadcast on the planet (it is very much the case, we can't turn a radio OUTSIDE the US without hearing as facts that the Russians have hacked the DNC, bought Trump etc).

I know that was a trap. You made me write about Trump and the US...

Posted by: Mina | Jan 14 2017 19:03 utc | 26

@chipnik 18:

Poetic post!

But is it really pure mozza ball? Also gotta up that "Platinum". Try Rhodium.

@Anon 14:

The election of Trump marks the first serious revolt against the Oligarchy.

Precious. As chipnik pointed out in passing ("OWS"), this election marks the rounding out of hijacking of the genuine revolt.

From this nobody to anybody who cares about "inalienable" liberties, freedom, and a world without "aristocracy":

Focus on pushing back regarding civil liberties. Everything else is a waste of time. (I mean seriously, why are you wasting your time worrying about Syria, or China, or the KGB midget from Moscow? Can you do anything about it?)


Posted by: nobody | Jan 14 2017 19:23 utc | 27

Fine -- CNN says that Poland is welcoming Nato troops ...
Poland welcomes thousands of US troops in NATO show of force.
utterly unrelated.

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Jan 14 2017 19:24 utc | 28

Jeffrey Sachs writes:

One path for the US is global cooperation. The other is a burst of militarism in response to frustrated ambitions. The future of the US, and of the world, hangs on this choice.

Global cooperation is doubly vital. Only cooperation can deliver peace and the escape from a useless, dangerous, and ultimately bankrupting new arms race, this time including cyber-weapons, space weapons, and next-generation nuclear weapons. And only cooperation can enable humanity to face up to urgent planetary challenges, including the destruction of biodiversity, the poisoning of the oceans, and the threat posed by global warming to the world’s food supply, vast drylands, and heavily populated coastal regions.

Yet global cooperation means the willingness to reach agreements with other countries, not simply to make unilateral demands of them. And the US is in the habit of making demands, not making compromises.

read whole story here:

Posted by: mauisurfer | Jan 14 2017 19:30 utc | 29

@ Posted by: Mina | Jan 14, 2017 2:03:24 PM | 26

Sorry, don't understand what you mean in your first two sentences.

Otherwise :)) LOL

Real life calls, gotta go, cheers.

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 14 2017 19:34 utc | 30

Isis is launching big attack on Deir Ezzour

Saudis apparently want negotiations with Iran after defeats recently

Not only Moscow that is getting S400

Posted by: Paul Cockshott | Jan 14 2017 19:34 utc | 31

Mina@17 - "...What's the point in having an open-thread if they start with Trump here too?"

Agree wholeheartedly.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Jan 14 2017 19:41 utc | 32

@nmb | 1
Thanks for the link.
A chronology of events but incomplete and superficial in my view.
Two major causes of friction to Erdogan's foreign plans are a) Erdogan's domestic goals; b) Russia.
Neither is given sufficient place in the article.

Posted by: AtaBrit | Jan 14 2017 19:57 utc | 33

- Moved from previous thread.

CyberBerkut published a yesterday an alleged screenshot of a leaked or hacked email related to the claimed US plan to fabricate evidence of Russian involvement in the cyber attacks:

13.01.2017 г. США планируют сфабриковать доказательства причастности России к кибератакам - ''CyberBerkut'', January 13, 2017

The photo was also published by ''Novorossia Today'':

Trump In The Clear From Secret Dossier As U.S.chan Try To Destroy And Cause A Coup On New President (Enclosed Secret Document) ID: Z4k N0VA7

Our whistleblowers gave us information that Russia was going to face great provocation. The Americans intend to manufacture false evidence of the Russian security services’ involvement in cyber attacks during the U.S. presidential elections 2016.

We cover the names of the provocation facilitators in order not to expose our sources. It is worth saying, a famous American politician and major financier took part in the plot.

All the names have been blacked out. The screenshot has not been manipulated, but all names in the email file have been replaced with "█" characters (Unicode Character 'FULL BLOCK' U+2588) before the .eml file is displayed in the email program. The email is displayed in a monospaced font, so it is possible to count the number of "█" characters. If the number is equal to the number of deleted characters, it may be possible to reconstruct the original email, or at least the intended content of the forgerers who created this prank.

The email also has a boilerplate disclaimer that has been cut short in the image. A Google search however reveals that it is proprietary to Soros Fund Management LLC. Use of the iPhone suggests that the email could be for example from - Here is a link to one Podesta email on Wikileaks for comparison.

Here is my attempted reconstruction:

Subject: Re: Elections 2016 1/8/2017 10:03 PM
To: Hillary.Clinton@█████
Date: 1/8/2017 10:03 PM

Dear Hillary,

We all agree there is a need to provide technical details on Russian hacking.
George urges you and John to bring up again the issue with ██████. It's quite important, especially as we approach the hearings.
If there are no technical details we have to find some by all means. I am sure his guys can do it.
We are short of time.


Sent from my iPhone


IMPORTANT NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachments are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, proprietary or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and permanently delete this message and any attachments. Nothing contained in this message and/or any attachment(s) constitutes investment advice or a recommendation to purchase or sell any financial product and you may not rely upon the sender or Soros Fund Management LLC or its affiliates for any investment advice. We may monitor and retain email communications for legal and regulatory compliance purposes.

The name of the purported leading intelligence operative is 6 characters wide in the email. Therefore it cannot be Comey, Brennan, or Clapper. Michael Morell would fit in the space.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jan 14 2017 20:07 utc | 34

Mina and Paveway - please go ahead and post on a different subject. My thought was to continue the discussion Outraged initiated on the previous thread, about the deliberate creation of one's own reality.

In continuation of my post thereon, I just want to say that the times being what they are, Rove's 'We create our own reality' is becoming reduced to absurdity, leading inevitably to a kind of apocalypse, in the original sense of the term. Originally, the word (Greek) actually means "from the island" - as in Odysseus's escape from the wiles of the shapechanging enchantress Circe on the island of Calypso - Homer's Odyssey. In more ordinary terms, apocalypse can be thought of as what happens when the sea, the tide, goes away from the land and reveals the foreshore, that which is covered when the tide is in.

The tide is now fast going OUT. Sharp cragged rocks are more and more being revealed. Perhaps a tsunami is coming - the tide is out further than it has ever been before.

Metaphorically, people, we need to head for higher ground. Let's not panic. Good people (we know by now who they are) are showing us the way. We might lose our flashlight even (this blog) but steady as she goes and we can make it because now the rocks are visible; we can see more clearly the way to go.

Posted by: juliania | Jan 14 2017 20:15 utc | 35

Open thread, closed minds.

Posted by: stumpy | Jan 14 2017 20:15 utc | 36

Fellow Whiskey Bar patrons,

In less than a weeks time we will know what is 'news' and what is 'fake news.'

I am of the belief that the public slaughter of Muammar Gaddafi is the catalyst for the upcoming push back by Russia and the US. What has occurred in Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Libya over the past 15 years is nothing short of pure evil. A souless, mindless attack on the civilized world. The people behind this attack on civilization are the great grandchildren of the forces that murdered Tsar Nicholas, his Lady and their five children. The Gaddafi slaughter bears all the signs of the same godless evil that respects no one and nothing. Did I mention that their only love is GOLD!?

Just me opinion

Posted by: ALberto | Jan 14 2017 20:15 utc | 37

one other thing ...

Posted by: ALberto | Jan 14 2017 20:16 utc | 38

@17 mina.. b would make it easier on us ''non usa phobs'' if he did a ''non usa'' open thread.. that way, we would have about 50 zillion less posts..

Posted by: james | Jan 14 2017 20:16 utc | 39

@jfl That was a great quote by Hannah Arendt on imperialist Cecil Rhodes you posted on some other thread. I remember her from that astute observation about the "banality of evil", still relevant after so any years in the context of the imperial terrorist assaults in MENA, Ukraine and elsewhere nowadays.

What Arendt missed was the second component involved in that evil, namely overarching controlled chaos created by the global cabal hqed in the City of London in order to "divide and conquer", pushing weak individuals over the border of becoming criminals and terrorists at the service of their empire.

Arendt also signed this letter about, inter alia, the Deir Yessin massacre:

Albert Einstein Letter to The New York Times. December 4, 1948 New Palestine Party. Visit of Menachen Begin and Aims of Political Movement Discussed : Albert Einstein, Hannah Arendt, Sidney Hook,

Apparently not much has changed since then, except that so many fewer prominent Jewish voices can be heard now in defense of what is humane and righteous.

Posted by: ProPeace | Jan 14 2017 20:18 utc | 40

Why are Zionists bombing the Syrian army? Is this like 1982 when Israel illegally intervened to raze Lebanon? Israel is trying to provoke something with this. So then the air defense systems Russia deployed to Syria in October are just to protect Russian military bases in Syria and Zionists can bomb the shit out of Syria whenever they feel like it; in essence helping the terrorists. If Putin wants to keep bases on Syrian territory, shouldn't he be countering attacks on the Syrian Army? I mean if North Korea bombs a South Korean army base wouldn't the U.S. retaliate with its own military stationed there? I hope Putin didn't make a deal with the Zatanyahu.

Or is Putin already looking the other way to get Trump to relax sanctions? Trump said yesterday he might lift sanctions. So is he paying Putin back for allowing Zatanyahu to bomb the Syrian Army base? WTF is going on?

Posted by: Circe | Jan 14 2017 20:28 utc | 41

Dear Moonkind,

For those of us who've had the misfortune of dealing with the troll Louis Proyect in the MoA comments forums, you'll be comforted to know that other blogs (among them and websites (the World Socialist Web Site in particular) have had similar problems with LP over his selective use of information, his reliance on links to sources that turn out to be extremely fishy (to say the least) and his abuse.

This article by Ben Norton on Louis Proyect is something to bear in mind for future MoA posts and forum discussions:

Off-Guardian published a post recently on the propaganda videos being made in Egypt that would purport to show more Syrian government atrocities against civilians in east Aleppo. The comments forum attached though is becoming the star attraction due to commenters calling out Louis Proyect for citing propaganda from a pro-jihadi source (the UK-based Syrian Network for Human Rights - not to be confused with the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights) to bolster his belief that the Syrian government attacks and brutalises Syrian civilians under cover of war.

World Socialist Web Site on Louis Proyect's fabrications:

Posted by: Jen | Jan 14 2017 20:38 utc | 42

@42 thanks jen.. the guy is a real freak show..

Posted by: james | Jan 14 2017 20:42 utc | 43

Thanks for the link, mauisurfer@29. I thought the article excellent broadly speaking, though something was troubling me, and I couldn't quite put my finger on it until I read the following comment at the site:

george jonisch DEC 29, 2016
By building a straw man of two extreme choices, cooperate or dominate, the author paints in black/white colors rather than the more realty based grey shades. Have our attempts at cooperation been smart? Have we paid attention to citizens welfare if they happen to live in the US? Does China work in the interests of its citizens? A new approach was voted for by the noncoast, nonelite. Considering their welfare is not a lack of cooperation.

[There's that tricky word 'reality' again.

Posted by: juliania | Jan 14 2017 20:44 utc | 44

Petri Krohn 34

Being cyberberkut, the email was most likely sent to Ukraine.
One list of names here

though the last name possibly Ukranian

Posted by: Peter AU | Jan 14 2017 20:57 utc | 45

I quite like Chipnik and Circe’s passion. I like a good rant, especially if it is well written and sort of brilliant and cynical as Chipnik’s latest most definitely is. I have been following the quite acrid debate going on at MOA vis-a-vis Trump without commenting, but I see it as a valuable debate and definitely one worth having.

It annoyed me that Outraged dismissed these people as trolls.

That Trump is up the ass of the Israelis is undeniable. I think it’s all down to the dollar as reserve currency. Wall Street is totally dependent on this, Russia has rebelled, and encouraged the BRICS to rebel, therefore Russia must be taught.
I disagree with Mike Whitney’s latest that it is all down to a geopolitical loss in Syria.

Without the reserve currency the US is basically toast as an economy. I think there is a huge overestimation of the military industrial complex as a dominating force. The power is in Wall Street and its media - as psychohistorian would say...

Posted by: Lochearn | Jan 14 2017 21:03 utc | 46

@46 lochearn.. thanks..

i agree with you and psychohistorian of the importance of the financial dynamics here..i think it is really far reaching and often goes unacknowledged..

i also agree with you one has to be careful defining others as trolls with rare exception..however @42 jen post highlights a good example..

Posted by: james | Jan 14 2017 21:11 utc | 47

> Without the reserve currency the US is basically toast as an economy.

The entire resource consuming West is toast.

Now go and review Trump's statements on Japan & Saudis & later China on youtube. (Lateshow, Oprah, etc.) He plays dumb and expresses outrage. This "world order" they keep talking about it all about the global funny money reserve currency. And lest you get excited about China et al, they proudly joined the IMF basket a while back.

If US ever dares to confront the global oligarchs they will demand payment on TRILLIONS of debt. If US then says "it was illegal and we ain't paying" welcome to Rogue Nation club. And if you say we are self sufficient, DECADES of planned gutting of education and industry done precisely to insure that US can NEVER afford to cut lose will place a newly independent US of A in 2nd world category.

Nothing short of a global revolution will save us nobodies.

Posted by: nobody | Jan 14 2017 21:11 utc | 48

Stumbled across a website recently. REDFLAG. Not bad many good stories and excellent videos, below is one that I like.

...Obama’s biggest fear is new Attorney General Jeff Sessions. It looks like Sessions will be confirmed, and this spells disaster for the Obamas, the Clintons, and all of their cronies. In fact, many experts say Obama’s final pardon will be none other than himself.

Many expect that Obama will also pardon himself of any offenses he may have committed in office. The media will say Obama had no choice but to protect himself and his allies against the racist/sexist incoming administration and the big bad wolf Jeff Sessions...

OJS -> The Original Jack Smith

Posted by: OJS | Jan 14 2017 21:17 utc | 49

Today, is the day before tomorrow; there is this other Countdown


Abbas inaugurates Palestinian Embassy in the Vatican, meets Pope Francis

[.]Vatican officially recognized the state of Palestine in May 2015, despite opposition from Israel, which said that it would damage prospects for peace in the region. Days after the Pontiff met Abbas in the Vatican, and said he was “an angel of peace” who would destroy a “spirit of war.”

In January 2016, the Vatican announced that a “comprehensive agreement” with the “State of Palestine” signed in June 2015 had come into force. Vatican referred to Palestine as “a state,” giving it full recognition as an equal partner.

The treaty secured the rights and privileges of the Catholic Church in the Palestinian territories in exchange for brokering a two-state solution as well as giving more weight to Palestine’s political stance in the world. It also included clauses on safeguarding the holy sites in Palestine, equally important for all three Abrahamic religions.

and tomorrow, January 15, 2017 the 70 Nations Peace Conference on Palestine - following UN Resolution 2334 - all eyes will be focused on Paris: A very Unhappy day for Israel’s Bibi and fellow Khazars. US' SoS, John Kerry will attend.

Israeli defense minister calls Paris peace summit a ‘tribunal,’ compares it to Dreyfus trial

[.] Israel’s Security Cabinet on Sunday reportedly discussed the possibility that a new set of measures unfavorable to Israel might be agreed in Paris and be voted for by the UN Security Council before US President Barack Obama leaves office on January 20. Israeli media said the concern is that the members of the Middle East Quartet, comprising the UN, the EU, Russia and the US, may find common ground during the meeting, so it could pave the way for further punitive resolutions by UN Security Council against the Israeli settlement policy in Occupied Palestinian Territories, The Times of Israel reports.[.]

Posted by: likklemore | Jan 14 2017 21:20 utc | 50

@ Circe | 41

If Putin wants to keep bases on Syrian territory, shouldn't he be countering attacks on the Syrian Army?

Not from Israel, no. Russia maintains goods relationships with both Syria and Israel, therefore it wont ever shoot at IAF, unless it directly attacks Russians inside Syria, which wont happen either.

Welcome to the World of geopolitics. There are no real friends, just interests. US plays even more hypocritical games, like supporting Turkey, ISIS, "moderates" and Kurds while ALL of them are fighting with each other.

Why Syria itself isnt shooting at Israeli jets? They supposedly have S300. The reason is simple - SAA cant afford to open new war front at the moment, so unless Israel actually does full scale invasion, S300 wont be used and their locations will be hidden. After terrorists are defeated, Syria might do something about Israel and Golan, or might not - Russia can intervene. Again - Russia cares about its own interests, and its not necessarily whats good for Syria.

Posted by: Harry | Jan 14 2017 21:21 utc | 51

ALberto 37:

Interesting theory but doubtful. But speaking of the Tsar and his family, here is a pic of the Lovely Romanov princesses with shaved heads.

Thank God there is a God and the crettin in guise of humans that killed these innocents will answer for it.

Posted by: nobody | Jan 14 2017 21:23 utc | 52

Thank God there is a God and the crettin in guise of humans that killed these innocents will answer for it.

Can you proof god exist? Fake news over 2000 years

Posted by: OJS | Jan 14 2017 21:30 utc | 53


Thanks, james. Yes, it slips under the radar as it is supposed to do. It took five years and 150 books to enlighten me, plus lots of other stuff. You could call it a late PHD.

Posted by: Lochearn | Jan 14 2017 21:37 utc | 54

"the crettin in guise of humans that killed these innocents will answer for it."

So it goes for the relatives. They should ha

Posted by: Laguerre | Jan 14 2017 21:41 utc | 55

* have renounced their adhesion to the god-given right.

Posted by: Laguerre | Jan 14 2017 21:43 utc | 56

@ 54

Probably the very best of educations that, learning because of wanting to learn.

@ 46

The Hubris is strong in that one, what the staying power will be is another question, those who have all answers leave little else for others and become quite boring quickly. It is like Rufus returned with attitude.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jan 14 2017 21:46 utc | 57

> should have renounced

Nicholas II abdicated, as a matter of fact.

None of these young women claimed the Romanov throne. What sort of monster would approve of killing innocents?

In any event, have you ever heard of trials, juries, defence, and all that jazz?

Posted by: nobody | Jan 14 2017 21:49 utc | 58

OJS @49:

Many expect that Obama will also pardon himself ...
The President can't pardon himself.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 14 2017 21:50 utc | 59

The Soviets learned the lesson from the English and the French, when setting up a commonwealth or republic it is not enough to execute the reigning monarch. You have to kill all putative heirs as well if you are to prevent a later monarchical restoration.

Posted by: Paul Cockshott | Jan 14 2017 21:54 utc | 60

> Can you proof god exist? Fake news over 2000 years

"2000 years" is the fake news of the equally ludicrous Judeo-Christrianity.

News flash: there are other nations on this planet, many of whom were civilized and God worshipping thousands of years before the Hebrews stiched together various neighboring religions and passed it off as an original creation. :)

And as for "proof". People who ask for "proof" of God affect a rationality that betrays their lack of education and understanding. No formal proof (Godel), no simulation (Turing), no comprehensive understanding (Bohr) is possible.

YOU are the proof of God's existence, oh you walking talking feeling loving understanding coil of self-replication hydrocarbon chain.

Posted by: nobody | Jan 14 2017 22:03 utc | 61

6 more days until a totally new reality folks.

I wouldn't call it a cause for positivism - Trump's admin could be irrevocably sabotaged from the start, and so far it looks like the oppositional elites *finally* see an opportunity to do so.

Of course, we have no idea what Trump Inc. has in store either. Based upon his rhetoric, his appointments and their rhetoric, Iran has a huge target,Israel has full support, Russia maybe getting conned, and China being successfully intimidated and/or brought to heel are the apparent geopolitical objectives.

This, of course, is in a reality of 20~60trillion (USA) in debt, rampant privatization, resource depletion, possible climate chaos, overpopulation, underemployment, a fraying social net, deforestation, ETC ETC. There may be overall global extremism and violence coming that surpasses any previous era.

BTW, how do thermonuclear warheads or nationwide EMP strkes on major affect economists' models and forecasts? What effect do 100 or so nuclear meltdowns have on the Dow Jones moving average or on Marvel movie release dates?

Posted by: bbbb | Jan 14 2017 22:12 utc | 62


I'm not buying that; Putin can at least tell Zatanyahu to cut it out! He must have some leverage he can use against Israel.

Posted by: Circe | Jan 14 2017 22:30 utc | 63

Circe @63

So now Putin is a Zionist? LOL.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 14 2017 22:49 utc | 64

@34 Petri Krohn,

Dmitry [Alperovitch] of CrowdStrike, the same "infosec" firm that falsely claimed Bernie hacked the DNC and provided other convenient attributions, perhaps?

Posted by: Jonathan | Jan 14 2017 22:50 utc | 65


Read the Old Testament and get back to me on who you represent.

Posted by: Jonathan | Jan 14 2017 22:56 utc | 66

Which old Testament?

The one with a tribal deity contending with other "gods" or the one post exile numeru uno where they pass of Zoroastrianism as Judaism, complete with (new!) Angels, Judgement, Heaven, Hell, and much expanded set of commandments?

Ever wonder why in "old Testament" Persian "King of Kings" is called CHRIST?


Posted by: nobody | Jan 14 2017 22:59 utc | 67

Erdogan is facing a looming humiliation in Al Bab. Before it gets too bloody for the Turks , he is rushing to establish the presidency of his dream: Total power.
Trump administration will soon declare the Moslem Brotherhood, the core of Erdogan ideology, a terrorist organization. That will hurt Erdogan and may weaken his position. One more reason to rush.
My prediction is that even he succeeds in changing the Constitution, he wont be the one who will enjoy it.
There is too much frustration hatred in and around Turkey for him to survive the next attempt to eliminate him.

2017 may see the liberation of Turkey from the Erdogan's oligarchy.

Posted by: virgile | Jan 14 2017 23:00 utc | 68

Audio evidence: John Kerry privately confirms supporting and arming Daesh

Posted by: Headache | Jan 14 2017 23:15 utc | 69

@ bbbb 62

Of course, we have no idea what Trump Inc. has in store either. Based upon his rhetoric, his appointments and their rhetoric, Iran has a huge target, Israel has full support, Russia maybe getting conned, and China being successfully intimidated and/or brought to heel are the apparent geopolitical objectives.

Oh, but we do know.

Paul Craig Roberts,former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy under Reagan and former WSJ Associate Editor , reflects that Obama promised “Hope and Change.” We were hopeful and got change, but for the worst.

Dr. Roberts observes the confirmation hearings for Trump’s nominees and asks; “Is Trump Already Finished?"

It did not take long before we knew there was no hope of change from President Obama. But at least he went into his inauguration with an unprecedented number of Americans on the Mall showing their support for the President of Change. Hope was abundant.

But with Trump, we are already losing faith, if not yet with him, at least with his choice of those who comprise his government even before Trump is inaugurated.

Trump’s choice for Secretary of State not only sounds like the neoconservatives in declaring Russia to be a threat to the United States and all of Europe, but also sounds like Hillary Clinton in declaring the South China Sea to be an area of US dominance. One would think that the chairman of Exxon was not an idiot, but I am no longer sure. In his confirmation hearing, Rex Tillerson said that China’s access to its own South China Sea is “not going to be allowed.”

Here is Tillerson’s statement: “We’re going to have to send China a clear signal that first, the island-building stops, and second, your access to those islands also not going to be allowed.”efore he even takes office:[.]

Judging from their public statements, Trump’s announced government has targeted Iran for destabilization. Trump’s appointees as National Security Advisor, Secretary of Defense, and Director of the CIA all regard Iran incorrectly as a terrorist state that must be overthrown.

But Russia cannot allow Washington to overthrow the stable government in Iran and will not allow it. China’s investments in Iranian oil imply that China also will not permit Washington’s overthrow of Iran. China has already suffered from its lost investments in Libyan oil as the result of the Obama regimes overthrow of the Libyan government.

Realistically speaking, it looks like the Trump Presidency is already defeated by his own appointees independently of the ridiculous and completely unbelievable propaganda put out by the CIA and broadcast by the presstitute media in the US, UK, and Europe.[.]

~ ~ ~ ~ ~
What I would like to ask Mr. Tillerson is this:

If Russia is such a threat to US and all of Europe, sure this threat did not occur overnight, why then, as CEO of ExxonMobil, did you partner with Rosneft? Should ExxonMobil now dissolve the Rosneft partnerships in Alaska, Texas, the Gulf of Mexico and Russia? These are hefty ExxonMobil and Rosneft partnering

~ ~ ~ ~

USA debt is way more than 20-60 trillion. Add the unfunded liabilities of over 100 trillion that excludes the states’ munis’ and underfunded pensions never will be paid.

Our Chipnik has been sounding the fire alarms. He should not be dismissed.

Posted by: likklemore | Jan 14 2017 23:18 utc | 70

I can't figure out how to fix my computers. Are the Geek Squad gods too?

Posted by: Bob In Portland | Jan 14 2017 23:20 utc | 71

China brought to heels by Trump ? yeah right, they just have to sell some of the massive billions pile of US bonds they still have in stock and america will be made cosy again ^^

Posted by: ratatat | Jan 14 2017 23:20 utc | 72

Nah. Just your sundry demi-gods.

Posted by: nobody | Jan 14 2017 23:23 utc | 73

From Facebook:

A public service announcement to all Americans, from Poland:

"A quick note to my US friends. Please share this with your own friends and familes, co-workers, bowling team members, office mates, guys you hang out with at the local bar, etc. Despite what you may be seeing and hearing on your TV news, Putin is not threatening Poland. Russia is not interested in attacking my country. As I look out my window right now I can see the other side of the Vistula river. I can assure all of you that here are no Russian soldiers, tanks, APCs, helicopters or jeeps visible on the other side of the river. Our borders have not been violated by Russian forces. We are not being attacked or even threatened by our neighbor to the east. Relax, USA, it's just a quiet Saturday afternoon in Poland. We'd like to keep it that way.

Oh, and could you please take YOUR troops back to Colorado? Thanks." Roger Domagalski

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jan 14 2017 23:26 utc | 74

"Beginning in 2003, software engineer William Connolley quietly removed the highly inconvenient references to the global cooling scare of the 1970s from Wikipedia, the world’s most influential and accessed informational source."

“All told, Connolley created or rewrote 5,428 unique Wikipedia articles. His control over Wikipedia was greater still, however, through the role he obtained at Wikipedia as a website administrator, which allowed him to act with virtual impunity. When Connolley didn’t like the subject of a certain article, he removed it — more than 500 articles of various descriptions disappeared at his hand. When he disapproved of the arguments that others were making, he often had them barred — over 2,000 Wikipedia contributors who ran afoul of him found themselves blocked from making further contributions. Acolytes whose writing conformed to Connolley’s global warming views, in contrast, were rewarded with Wikipedia’s blessings. In these ways, Connolley turned Wikipedia into the missionary wing of the global warming movement.“

"After eviscerating references to 1970s global cooling scare and the warmer-than-now Medieval Warm Period from Wikipedia, and after personally rewriting the Wikipedia commentaries on the greenhouse effect to impute a central, dominant role for CO2, Connolley went on to team up with two other authors to publish a “consensus” manifesto in 2008 that claimed to exp”ose the 1970s global cooling scare as a myth. . . ."

- See more at:

Posted by: Penelope | Jan 14 2017 23:34 utc | 75

- Pentagon passed on information to Assad because Turkey didn't want to support the "moderate rebels" in Syria but instead Turkey "re-directed" US support to ISIS and its affiliates.

Google the words: "seymour hersh pentagon is passing info to the syrians" (Several links pop up)


Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 14 2017 23:46 utc | 76

Obama may not legally (let's ignore ethics for the time being) be able to pardon himself. But, imagine the firestorm of bs if he tried to? Personally, I would like to watch as the pro and anti Obama factions tear each other apart! Talk about real entertainment?

Plus, it might cause the anti-Trump nonsense to abate somewhat? Not that I care about Trump ... it is just that he is not the center of all that is.

Above, I said the open thread would bring out the nut cases. Glad to hear from all ya'll.

Posted by: rg the lg | Jan 14 2017 23:49 utc | 77

Behind the CIA's Covert Ops Against Trump - with Ray McGovern (Brian Becker, Loud & Clear)

Posted by: x | Jan 15 2017 0:04 utc | 78

@24, being pro Israel does not protect you. If they think that Pence would be even more pro Israel then too bad for Trump.

Posted by: Lysander | Jan 15 2017 0:22 utc | 79

Is Trump really the populist he ran as?

Trump Team Will Not Attend Davos: "Would Betray Populist-Fueled Movement"

Posted by: Tobin Paz | Jan 15 2017 0:50 utc | 80

Lochearn @ 46:

"Without the reserve currency the US is basically toast as an economy"

I would love to see the logic behind this assertion.

The dollar has reserve status because the US is the only country in the World willing and able to run persistent trade deficits.

Without trade deficits it would be impossible for the rest of the World to accumulate dollar reserves.

If The US spent the (trade deficit) dollars domestically instead of on foreign goods the US economy would be booming, and the rest of the World's economies would be toast.

However, without the dollar as the reserve currency (the Dollar Virus) the US would have much less leverage over foreign governments, which to me would be good thing.

Posted by: paulmeli | Jan 15 2017 0:57 utc | 81

@54 lochearn.. i agree with former t bear @ 57 sentiment... formal ed isn't all it is cracked up to me.. nowadays it is just a way for the millennial's to go much deeper into debt then the group before then. i have a friend who is turning 70 this year studying physics.. here in canada seniors can take courses at a real discount, especially if you aren't interested in collecting credits.. of course in the Scandinavian countries one gets free ed right up and thru university.. sure would be nice to have that in canada especially for the younger folks enrolled at present.

buy your tickets to saudi arabia now! don't expect to be able to go see 'lala land' whatever the latest movie is..
"I hope those in charge of the Entertainment Authority are guided to turn it from bad to good and not to open doors to evil,” Al al-Sheikh said on his weekly television program on his website, adding, “Motion pictures may broadcast shameless, immoral, atheistic or rotten films.”

He said that the nothing good can come from mixing sexes."

Saudi Arabia’s radical top religious authority FREAK! , Grand Mufti Sheikh Abdulaziz, has denounced the Saudi governments plan for opening cinemas and concerts in the puritanical kingdom as bringing immortality.

Posted by: james | Jan 15 2017 1:09 utc | 82

@ Lochearn who ended their comment with
"...The power is in Wall Street and its media - as psychohistorian would say...
Posted by: Lochearn | Jan 14, 2017 4:03:48 PM | 46
and james who followed with a supportive comment about how the power of finance is underrated/reported.

What is happening here is that Trump is bypassing the MSM by using twitter and other non-produced media. It is the same tactic that Modi is using in India to appeal to the techie class to take away "cash" and only allow digital money.....which will seriously impact the estimated 20% of the population that currently do not use, afford to use or have access to digital money.

So did Trump and Modi go to the same school of population control? Or are they the latest tin pot dictators dancing to the tune of those that own private finance? The technology to push the Edward Bernays type of population control buttons have changed but the effects and ongoing obfuscations of the underlying social structure remain the same.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 15 2017 1:12 utc | 83

@83 paulmeli..the us$ has the reserve status thanks the bretton woods agreement, the imf arrangements and ''international'' agreements like that.. it's a fixed ponzi scheme that works well for the reserve currencies, especially since they went off the gold standard... the classification of 'developing' verses 'developed' in the imf lingo is especially ''class status'' telling too as it dictates the % of voting rights a country does or doesn't have... and it all has bearing on gatt and every trade agreement that has come after it.. lawyers make up this crap.. the financial sanction game is another part of the ponzi scheme challenge for anyone who wants to contemplating stepping out of line.. that bozo samantha powers, or was it the new bimbo here in canada - crystia freeland that was suggesting russia be shut out of the bank of international settlements? folks know a mafia system when they see it.. it is presently rigged for the us$.. it can't last forever..

Posted by: james | Jan 15 2017 1:21 utc | 84

Lochearn @ 46 says, " I think it’s all down to the dollar as reserve currency. Wall Street is totally dependent on this, Russia has rebelled, and encouraged the BRICS to rebel, therefore Russia must be taught. " and "Without the reserve currency the US is basically toast as an economy."

I'd like to disagree on these points, Lochearn. While elements of the US military might well like to preserve the US & its economy, the banking powers that should not be, together with the media and think tanks they control-- not to mention their global ownership of natural resources and industrial might-- have ALWAYS planned to bring down the US economy. How can a global currency emerge while the dollar occupies that position? Nor is the US capable of taking and holding by force every nation in the world. It has always been planned that the global oligarchy would be regionally administered. China is to administer the entirety of Asia. Her oligarchs-- the Immortal 8 Families-- can have no better guarantee of their illegitimate wealth & power, than to go along w the NWO.

You think Russia is resisting? She belongs to every one of the international institutions that usurp the sovereignty of the nation-state. Her economics is neoliberal. 74% of the wealth of Russia is owned by her oligarchs.

BRICS was harmless from the outset. BRICS countries were already hopelessly debt-compromised & therefore controlled economically by the IMF. The bank itself shares personnel and projects w the World Bank. You should note the sites that told you the truth about the BRICS Bank. Those who told you it was an act of rebellion you should realize were just shining you on. And the worst of these was Mike Whitney, "The dollar is toast," he kept saying w his inane cheerleading which was totally devoid of facts.

March 2013 Putin : "BRICS members advocate the creation of a more balanced and just system of global economic relations. The emerging markets are interested in long-term sustainable economic growth worldwide and reforms of the financial and economic architecture to make it more efficient. This is reflected in last year's joint decision to contribute $75 billion to the IMF lending program, thus increasing the participation of the fastest growing economies in the Fund's authorized capital."

They shouldn’t, but the power balance within the BRICS today seems to dictate a sub-imperialist stance in relation to global finance, instead of an anti-imperialist one. To illustrate, the two men the Pretoria regime just deployed to co-direct the BRICS New Development Bank go to Shanghai from high-paid jobs at, you guessed it, Goldman Sachs-Johannesburg: Leslie Maasdorp and Tito Mboweni. The situation of the other three BRICS member states (Brazil, India, South Africa) with regard to the implementation of (real, rand rupiah) currency swaps is markedly different. These three highly indebted countries are in the straightjacket of IMF-World Bank conditionalities. They do not decide on fundamental issues of monetary policy and macro-economic reform without the green light from the Washington based international financial institutions.

7/12/15 BRICS DEV BANK: Beijing’s emergency bail-out measures represent vast subsidies to financiers, just like those used in Washington, London, Brussels and Tokyo since 2007.
Change is urgently needed yet the BRICS’ finance bureaucrats – especially two leading appointees from South Africa – won’t deviate from orthodoxy. Ongoing financial turbulence should offer a gap for the $100 billion Contingent Reserve Arrangement (CRA), which is anticipated to open its doors next month. However, it carries not only a strange name that even many insider experts often get wrong, but is dollar-denominated and structurally hard-wired to support the International Monetary Fund (IMF).
To illustrate," according to CRA rules agreed at last year’s BRICS Fortaleza summit, after 30% of a country’s quota is borrowed – based on double the amount of its own contributions (China at $41 billion, and Brazil, Russia and India at $18 billion each, and South Africa at $5 billion) – then the borrower must next sign a neoliberal IMF agreement."

the BRICS delegation included its chief, Kundapur Vaman Kamath, IMF’s Executive Director and new Vice President of the BRICS bank Paulo Nogueira Batista, Russia’s Deputy Finance Minister Sergei Storchak and the head of state bank Vnesheconombank (VEB), Vladimir Dmitriev

Posted by: Penelope | Jan 15 2017 1:29 utc | 85

re the freak in my @84... apparently singing at concerts is harmful and corrupting as well!~ gotta love the good friends of the usa/uk - saudi arabia/etc and the liberated and tolerant ideology towards women and just about everything else that goes with that bastion of 'democracy and freedom' lol.... stand tall america, lol..

Posted by: james | Jan 15 2017 1:29 utc | 86

psychohistorian 85

Is he really "bypassing" MSM or are they having a dialogue. :)

So did Trump and Modi go to the same school of population control? Or are they the latest tin pot dictators dancing to the tune of those that own private finance?

It is not evident why these should be considered mutually exclusive.

Next, I take issue with the "Wall Street" centrality thesis. There is also the City of London. In any event, these people are playing in someone else's fiat cash plantation. Who are these people who are issuing debt to the so called sovereign nations?

Something happened in Europe a few hundred years ago around the time they formed those East India companies. The Halliburtons of that age. After wards, a select set of kingdoms got revolution, while the rest remain in place. We're in a historic 'age'. One needs to pull back, climb up, and consider a larger vista.

to wit: paulmeli 83

The Emperor of the Chin and something about Gold and Opium and trade ...

Posted by: nobody | Jan 15 2017 1:32 utc | 87

@87 penelope... yeah sure... just opt out of it all and see how you get along.. this shit takes time.. unfortunately when a country is dealing with a mafioso system, it doesn't exactly work in a black and white only manner.. typically one has to play the game until they can find a chance to alter the arrangement.. now maybe someone wants to create an alternative system to the imf ponzi scheme... any alternative would be a good alternative to those left out on the cold shoulder of that arrangement..

Posted by: james | Jan 15 2017 1:33 utc | 88

Now double time quick: what is the Opium of the industrial world that has everyone 'hooked'?

Posted by: nobody | Jan 15 2017 1:36 utc | 89

@91 I was going to say shopping but I guess if we didn't have oil there wouldn't be any shops, not much in them and no way to get there.

Posted by: dh | Jan 15 2017 2:10 utc | 90

James @ 90

I agree this shit takes time. What is not well known is this --- where the US dollar, as the world’s reserve currency was once upon-a-time exclusive and undisputed in international trade ---it is being by-passed:

As big multinationals and other international trading companies settle many of their trade and international accounts in Yuan and Euros

A helpful Infographic on the countries: Dollar no More --The Dollar is Slowly Losing its Status as the Primary Reserve Currency

The dollar’s 70-year dominance is coming to an end

Posted by: likklemore | Jan 15 2017 2:23 utc | 91

Starvation hits Yemen under Saudi bombardment and U.S. embargo:

Meanwhile, the "moral authority" of Saudi Arabia is concerned about movies and concerts:
"Saudi Arabia’s highest-ranking cleric has warned of the “depravity” of cinemas and music concerts, saying they would corrupt morals if allowed in the ultra-conservative kingdom. “We know that singing concerts and cinemas are a depravity,” Grand Mufti Abdulaziz al-Sheikh said in a television interview cited by Sabq news website late Friday"

And the neoliberal Democrats like Pelosi and the neocon Republicans like McCain remain firmly in support of Saudi war crimes:

Posted by: nonsense factory | Jan 15 2017 3:30 utc | 92

OK some general comments and then some more specific ones. I hold no brief at MoA, there is nothing 'seniority' should offer other than a particularly jaded attitude we're all just posters at b's shop and b shows uncommon good sense about censoring our thoughts, that is someone hasta go right over the top with trolling, lying and suborning other posters' nyms before b gets pissed enough to bar a poster. as it should be.
That said, if someone offends me by posting racist claptrap or attacks another's person rather than the idea they are posting about, I get pissed and I often respond in kind, just kneejerk I know but I personally hate bullies and there is one type in particular I hate more than others. I had the misfortune of attending an all male high school which meant that bullying was probably more prevalent but it didn't get as vicious because there weren't any women for a thug to 'show off' to.
Many of the teachers (they called themselves masters and many behaved like it flogging us for giggles) were big time bullies who would try and get onside with the class rednecks and play to them as they tried to take down those of us that wouldn't take their shit.
For me that is the worst type of bullying the bullying by consent where someone tries to concentrate antipathy towards another by appealing directly to others usually with an ad hominem like an accusation of troll or whatever - even worse than that are the shitbags who make a big deal about not being able to comprehend those for whom english is a second language - that isn't debate it is just a cheap shot, an ad hominem that is truly foul as it is racism and intellectual snobbery rolled into one big turd.

I fucking hate that and there is no need for it around here, I doubt any of us are ever gonna see 14 years of age again yet some of the shit flying around strikes me as pretty adolescent. How about if you don't agree with something someone says, debate that and ideally give a rational explanation about what it is you disagree about. There is no need at all to shout troll, zionist or whatever, all that does is reveal the paucity of your argument.

I came in here to point out that while all the septic tanks are rabbiting on and on and on about which one is truly the lesser evil to the point they appear to all have forgotten that it was a right pair of cunts who ran in prez 2016, other things are happening in the world, other foul crimes and abrogation of people's right to life in a society that behaves as they choose and not as the number 1 septic tank tells them they must.

For me the most egregious acts against normal decent human beings are occuring right now in Africa, and as per usual no one knows or cares most likely because it isn't novel, different enough from all the other horrors amerikans, englanders, frenchies, russkies or chinamen have done before, to warrent a moment's thought.

For me the worst example of abrogation of a nation's right to govern itself the way it wants to right now, is occurring in Gambia.
They had an election and I concede I have no idea of how honest the election was but I do know the night the incumbent lost he conceded defeat and prepared to hand over the president's gig to the winner. Then it surfaced instances of ballot box stuffing in favour of the victor and new prez were uncovered.
Yahya Jammeh the bloke who had been prez for 22 years then said "whoa hold yer horses folks I'm not handing over to a bloke who stole this thing. I'm gonna stay on and uncover how the ballot was corrupted and then we will have a fresh election".
Well the shitstorm really rained down then. FukUS all went into hysterics claiming that Jammeh was a human rights abuser (that's pretty rich coming from 2 countries responsible for more than a million dead iraqis, and a 3rd who sends mercenaries (the french foreign legion are the longest constituted mercenary force in history) into africa any time some whitefella back in Paris imagines that the actions of a non-industrial nation might cost him/her a dollar or two.
I dunno a thing about the bloke who claims to have won other than a) the englander media patronised and owned him by claiming he had worked in england as a security guard (ie he was just another blackfella, albeit one who knew to doff his cap to his betters) and b) he has been making a lot of money since returning to Gambia by working as a 'property developer' an occupation which we all know covers a host of sins.

Jammeh himself is 'known' for two things 1) the msm have been accusing him of being a human rights abuser and 2) his major raison d'etre. His motive for staging a coup back in the 1990's in the first place was that he was pissed at the way successive Gambian leaders had taken bribes then flogged the best bits of the nation off to foreign buyers. Since getting in power he has tried to keep Gambia outta debt. Has he lined his own pockets or more likely provided some affirmative action to members of his own clan? Fucked if I know, allegedly that is common practice in Africa but apart from the fact that we only ever get told about that stuff when someone hasn't been a friend of fukUS, it is none of our damn business that is something for Gambians to deal with free from greedies interering.

I mention Gambia because all the african nations run by neoliberal appointees like Kenya, Nigeria Liberia et al have threatened to invade Gambia and install Barrow themselves.
To me that is a definite indication there is something really dodgy going on. The gang of three shitbags (amerika, france, england) don't fritter their african political capital away on 'gestures in the name of peace freedom and harmony' but they do jerk the strings when they are concerned a fish could jump off the hook of the IMF/World Bank rort.

This AJ news article from the AJ website has Ellen Johnson Sirleaf, prez of Liberia saying the Economic Community of West African States must set about

"measures to bring this matter to successful conclusion before January 19", when Jammeh's mandate expires.
She did not elaborate on what measures the bloc would take, but they could include sanctions.

Sanctions is bad enough but other AJ TV news reports I have seen have been alleging the fukUS puppets are threatening to send troops into Gambia, which is why according to this Bloomberg piece Yahya Jammeh has said

" a standoff with neighboring West African states over his refusal to step aside after losing December’s election will escalate into war if the alliance doesn’t back down from its stance."

The absolutely most shameful result of amerika's africom activities has been the way in which the neoliberal puppet states of Africa have 'volunteered' their armies to do the white imperialists' dirty work.
If the assholes really cared about the lives of those in their oppressed venues they would stop the genocidal witch and darling of sex tourists of a certain age Ang Sung Su Kyi who has been ethnically cleansing Myanmar of followers of islam. These people have been living in Myanmar going back centuries but according to the witch of Rangoon they are not citisens - only Burmans who make up just over 60% of Myanmar's population are entitled to be considered 'Burmese'. This evil personified has been in the employ of USuk for decades yet no one mentions her crimes against humanity,
The pupeeters know that citizens back home in queens, shepherds bush or montreuil won't be happy to see soldiers and resources from their own countries 'wasted' on africans, so the only way they can run a tight enought ship in Africa is by using african troops often with whitefella (generally Jaapie) 'advisors'.

It just goes on and on - the most evil stuff happens while humans are distracted by manufactured fake crisises like "will trump be inaugurated' or will Oblamblam be put on trial'? Let me settle that now with a simple yes & no.

Trump will cut a deal with the previous management, make no doubt about that - there is just no need to destroy the very foundations of the scam when the usual rort will work just fine.
No one is going to put a former amerikan prez on trial yet because it sets such a dangerous precedent for the next time there is a change in management.
This is all distraction - No not because of Gambia that is just one of a myriad of horror stories.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jan 15 2017 3:53 utc | 93

@ likklemore who provided links to 2013, 2014 and 2015 articles on potential demise of US Reserve Currency status.

Where/when is the tipping point? I continue to think it is a big part of the geopolitical stink going on but I also write about it on textual white noise outlets to extreme because the US public have no idea of the adjustment they and their children will make because they will no longer have private finance (assuming it stays in control) as a primary backer of their government.....and through that the Western world.

Private finance, assuming it maintains control of international financial transactions and investment like it does, will spread its still overwhelming wealth around to countries that support strong private ownership of property, beneficial inheritance legal posture and allow continuing influence of private finance in geopolitical machinations.

Will humanity evolve beyond its more craven neanderthal roots?

Can someone explain to me the difference in big money backing for the US circus sides and then explain to me the sides with Russia and China again......any fake news in there?

Who are the Hollyweed producers behind what we are about to behold by the end of this week, month, year?

I now have a vision of a political cartoon with Trump standing on a world street corner with his Hurdy Gurdy/Twitter machine and the monkey attached is labeled as "US Public" begging for pennies from the rest of the world.....tell me when you see it.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 15 2017 3:57 utc | 94

*jp is just an atm that needs no pin number'

the 'great destroyer' is gonna turn more prinstine water of okinawa into monster concrete jungle to house its war machines, inspite of vehement oppoisition from the locals. [1]
hey chief, is this part of your grand vision to 'make murkka great' ?

*im gonna get those boys back home .......unless the jp pony up more money to keep them happy over there

see, every pledge from trump comes with an 'exit clause'.
you cant blame the man for breaking his promise !



japan focus is a pale shadow of its former self,
recently it even featured the indian neocon brahma chellaney's china bashing rants. !
hhhhhhh !

Posted by: denk | Jan 15 2017 3:59 utc | 95

@ 46 & 47 & 57

Fully comprehend and understand why you may perceive that & have drawn those conclusions.

Hm, lol. My ID is not 'representative' re etymology of, hubris, either, far from it.

My tone/voice may grate to some because of my, background ... rigidly formal & firm given being defined by service/experience ... not by a purely academic, life. Though do love the classics of antiquity ...

Have been a bar patron and contributor to the Barflies efforts from Billmon thence thru to our Patron & Host b, Bernhard, for almost 13(14?) years. And thru most of that in service of our gracious & generous host b, who knows me well ... throughout all that time, and, ... 'understands'. It's b's blog, his open Bar, not ours, we're but merely Bar patrons.

So, unfortunately, you may be disappointed with speculation re, 'staying power', unless one suddenly takes a dirt nap ;)

The last few years have been a daily lurker, when able, due to serious health issues.

Old Moonbats, are well aware of the reason & true, inner meaning of my ID, and it has nothing to do with a superficial speculation re etymology of Hubris, etc, nor reflective of or chosen in relation to character.

The supposed 'attack' on certain poster IDs, which some attribute to selective Outrage,Hubris,Intolerance etc is, nothing of the sort. One did not continue with it, has not resumed, and all interaction with said IDs ceased after one post and one reply each ... co-ordinated/purposely/pre-planned ... given your specious premise re oneself, would that not be 'odd' ? Would that not be 'out of character' of the one proposed, re this poster. ? Anomalous, not ?

Unable to go into that anomalous sequence further for now, than other than to say, was not by accident, nor driven by any form of emotion, intolerance of others viewpoints, etc, whatsoever. Was specifically NOT done to discredit nor 'shut-up' the IDs, exactly the opposite, was intended. see previous.

You may wish to reconsider what you believe/perceive you know/assess re, as ol' kameraden, R'Giap might say, 'Moi' ;)

With respect & nil animosity whatsoever, white-anting is, well ... as opposed to discussing/challenging content, civilly ... if y'all truly believe the comments you've made and are committed to them after the above, then, these have merely only been wasted pixels/bytes and, re-affirmed your judgement. Nil harm done.

This poster won't 'bite' and doesn't have rabies ;) Should you wish to engage/discuss/clarify, civilly, as opposed to 'white-anting', or, not.

Regardless, Vale. Pax vobiscum.


Posted by: Outraged | Jan 15 2017 4:05 utc | 96

@ Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jan 14, 2017 3:07:23 PM | 34

Great work!

Though without any confirmation or verification nor corroboration so far, given the source, can as yet only still be rated F/F.

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 15 2017 4:14 utc | 97

Paulmeli @ 83

Penelope @ 87

Et all

The US$, in and of itself, is not the problem. The US$ is merely a conduit, a vehicle if you will, as are all currencies that are imposed by the state.

Now, if a sovereign currency is tied to the US$ as is the case for all members of the Floating Exchange Rate Mechanism (FERM), that does have consequences of course. But, once again, that is not the problem.

What I am about to write is to be read through the prism of the right to private property.

The key to understanding our predicament is to understand that, though presumably democratic, modern nation states:

Impose one arbitrary unit of account by force of law

Impose one arbitrary and unelected owner of said unit of account

Run perpetual fiscal deficits

The arithmetical underpinnings of these arbitrary but deliberate choices have real life consequences that must inherently and inevitably result in the concentration of title thus the concentration of wealth and power.

The Network That Runs The World

Since the Renaissance of the 1600s, Western societies have developed along 3 very well defined principles. Namely:

The right to self determination
The right to private property
The right to economic freedom

Since the early 1900s however, the imposition of our modern monetary systems have laid the foundations to gradually roll back the benefits and wealth that had been accumulated by the many since the 1600s.

The problem is not what vehicle is used for interaction between individuals or states.

The problem is that in our modern monetary systems, in exchanging labor for money, the individual exchanges something he owns outright for:

Something he does not own
Something that is constantly devalued
Something he owes taxes on

Since modern states run perpetual deficits, then the following is an arithmetical consequence:

The money is constantly devalued
As money is constantly devalued fiscal pressure must increase
As fiscal pressure increases, legislation must be brought to bear to justify same

All along, individuals are gradually divested of their property in exchange for debt.

This same dynamic works at sovereign level too.

This is where the IMF and World Bank come in and this is what they have been doing to all peripheral countries in the past 60 years.

Interestingly enough, the IMF seems to have run out of peripherals to run their scheme on. Now the IMF has turned its guns towards Europe and Greece is but the first victim.

Study in this regard the Bank Recovery And Restructuring Directive that has become law in Euroland as of January 1st, 2016

Bonus info

A corollary of the monetary dynamic is, of course, off shoring

As fiscal pressure increases and as legislation becomes more restrictive, industry and business are encouraged to set up abroad. This dynamic is reinforced when, using deficit spending, the state gives subsidies to preferred economic entities.

Posted by: Guidoamm | Jan 15 2017 4:34 utc | 98

@40 pp,

thanks for the link to the Albert Einstein Letter to The New York Times. December 4, 1948.

the more things change the more they stay the same. except that now no one confuses israel with an idealistic, social-democratic state. no one is surprised at the murderous, fascist party in charge there. it's accepted. murderous, fascist parties are in charge everywhere in north america/the eu. the smiles on all those young faces in britain in aljazeera's The Lobby,

Part 1: Young Friends of Israel,
Part 2: The Training Session,
Part 3: An anti-Semitic trope,
Part 4: The Takedown,

show that in the 'modern' world it's go with the seeming winner ... it's a job, it's a buck, or a euro, or a shekel, or a pound.

Posted by: jfl | Jan 15 2017 4:37 utc | 99

Saudi media are claiming that the Russian Ambassador to Yemen was killed when gunmen stormed the Russian Embassy in Sana'a.

Reports appeared in Saudi Arabian media that the Kremlin’s ambassador was shot in Sanaa – the largest city in Yemen.
The assassination was first reported by Saudi Arabia's Barq news agency.

Russia has strongly denied this.
The Russian embassy in the Yemen has reportedly said “no one’s been shot”, telling NBC there had not been any attack.

Did someone in Riyadh fuck up by releasing the announcement of the attack before the attack was actually carried out?

Posted by: Ghostship | Jan 15 2017 4:44 utc | 100

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