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January 5, 2017
Open Thread 2017-01
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101 Posted by: chipnik | Jan 7 2017 3:53 utc | 101 Myth Posted by: denk | Jan 7 2017 6:43 utc | 102 @ chipnik who asked if he missed anything as he linked to social fabric renting in Mexico. Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 7 2017 7:37 utc | 103 Joe Biden steamrolled Democrats objecting to Trump’s Electoral College victory, ‘It is over’
Mash-up from various sources:
Posted by: Outraged | Jan 7 2017 10:11 utc | 104 @99 james
2. @97, Libya Asks Russia to Help in Reconciliation
… lead one to believe that the gna has slipped out of the usa’s control … one deputy leader resigns and another calls for russian help. it certainly seems like the one who resigned was the usa’s guy, given that the one speaking up now is seeking russia’s help. Posted by: jfl | Jan 7 2017 10:23 utc | 105 Followup to 104 Posted by: Outraged | Jan 7 2017 10:38 utc | 106 one thing is puzzling me. When E. Aleppo was under siege, there were all these white helmet reports about the good things they were doing when the Syrian government was doing all these bad things. However when Aleppo was liberated, I didn’t see any reports of white helmets leaving. Were they there in Aleppo? How did they get out if they were? Posted by: gepay | Jan 7 2017 11:20 utc | 107
another american made-murderer by the nobel peace prize laureate allows his demons to act out on innocents. Posted by: jfl | Jan 7 2017 12:11 utc | 108 For french speakers , two of the best analysts on the Tunisia revo and aftermaths. Can serve as case study for the rest by highlighting the differences, very homogenous, small society, no minorities to go after Posted by: Mina | Jan 7 2017 12:21 utc | 109 Egypt (and Russia) are very active is solving the Libyan big problem. Tourism in Egypt and Tunisia depends on it, and they are supported in this effort by the totality of African sub-Saharan countries (no matter how crooked they are, it became something like a high priority which short-sighted technocrats doubled with ambitious greedy narcissists are strictly unable to tackle) Posted by: Mina | Jan 7 2017 12:36 utc | 110 107 Posted by: Peter AU | Jan 7 2017 12:53 utc | 111 @105 jfl Posted by: MadMax2 | Jan 7 2017 14:42 utc | 112 @ 112 Madmax2 Posted by: Curtis | Jan 7 2017 18:30 utc | 113 Not only there should always be an open thread, but even an “open thread free of US news”, imo Posted by: Mina | Jan 7 2017 20:45 utc | 114 102 Posted by: denk | Jan 8 2017 2:36 utc | 115 @105 jfl.. yes, as you add it up – does look promising… Posted by: james | Jan 8 2017 2:43 utc | 116 @112 mm2
… although your last is from, ‘a close ally of Qaddafi’. Posted by: jfl | Jan 8 2017 2:59 utc | 117 @113 curtis, @116 james Posted by: jfl | Jan 8 2017 3:10 utc | 118 jfl 117 “russia, it seems, will work with anyone” Posted by: Peter AU | Jan 8 2017 3:16 utc | 119 @119 peter au Posted by: jfl | Jan 8 2017 3:46 utc | 120 *Sigh* Their State national news service, AUS, ‘down-under’. Posted by: Outraged | Jan 8 2017 5:01 utc | 121 LOL has anyone else spotted this?
Of course the usual will happen the alleged ‘bad apple’ at the apartheid embassy will cop the flick and all sorts of lame ‘excuses’ are being composed as I write this eg Strizzolo a ministerial aide who boasts of working as an agent of a foreign power, will at the worst, be publicly humiliated but keep her job since she is obviously an important bagwoman who secures ‘donations’ from zionists. That means that the creepy israel lovers in the Labour Party such as Hilary Benn will help her stay. Posted by: Debsisdead | Jan 8 2017 5:33 utc | 122 @ Debsisdead | Jan 8, 2017 12:33:03 AM | 122 Posted by: Outraged | Jan 8 2017 6:37 utc | 123 Followup to 122 & 123
(it’s been replaced by worthless still shots, they even pixelized Shai Masot’s face, hah! … that act/action is solid-gold confirmation he is an undercover Israeli Intelligence operative, under Official Cover(OC), for any uninitiated.
, if you do follow the link, be sure to click on ‘show more’ … additional details in text post. Shows Israeli intelligence operative Shai Mosat’s Face, voice, mannerisms, CLEARLY 😉 Posted by: Outraged | Jan 8 2017 7:25 utc | 124 Followup to 124 Posted by: Outraged | Jan 8 2017 8:02 utc | 125 Followup to 124 & 125
Posted by: Outraged | Jan 8 2017 8:14 utc | 126 from the ‘some more’ comments at the Astonishing undercover video captures Israel plot to ‘take down’ Tory minister youtube trailer …
isn’t this it, really, in the us? Posted by: jfl | Jan 8 2017 8:55 utc | 127 Followup to 126
Further:
The above reference has now also been scrubbed … Posted by: Outraged | Jan 8 2017 9:06 utc | 128 Followup to 128 & the Daily Mail link:
From the original Guardian article, which, because it is heavily sanitized and has little detail or context and an edited video clip, being used as the source for most MSM articles (Comment: Especially inside Israel – so far (as of this post) they are heavily censoring, attempting to manage damage and tamping down re reports) … how convenient … hm, no context, lack of detail, ommissions … how De javu re MSM reporting of anything geopolitical.
From a followup article by the daily mail, who appears to intend to attempt to follow this thru with further reporting:
Well, if that is truly the end of it as far as Her Majesties Government is concerned in the UK, you Brit’s no longer have a sovereign government concerned with rule of law, IMHO. An observation, not in any way intended as derogatory. Posted by: Outraged | Jan 8 2017 9:52 utc | 129 Followup to 129:
Much more detail in the above article, recommended read. Posted by: Outraged | Jan 8 2017 10:10 utc | 130 @ Outraged yeah nowadays I tend to see this indication of Mossad’s hubris as being more of a source of humour than anything else because we all know that even if the englander establishment are pissed off about it which they must be – this is far, far worse a total breach of the understandings sovereign nations are meant to share, than anything the amerikans have alleged against Russia, no one will do/say much publicly because everyone will be worried about it ‘playing into Corbyn’s hands’. Posted by: Debsisdead | Jan 8 2017 10:22 utc | 131 @ Debsisdead 131 & followup to 130 There’s also a different again, brief 2Min41Sec video clip with some minor additional context.
There is no such thing as multiple coincidences in these sorts of matters … our vassal in Qatar (owner of Al-Jazeera), may be working as part of a covert co-ordinated campaign … we live in interesting times indeed. Posted by: Outraged | Jan 8 2017 10:56 utc | 132 can’t wait for the AJ documentary Posted by: Mina | Jan 8 2017 11:00 utc | 133 @ Outraged It is increasingly difficult to discern the Qatar play I mean of course the emir is busy protecting his own interests, but it feels to me as though he’s begun to realise that his best interests do not always align with amerika KSA & therefore israel. Posted by: Debsisdead | Jan 8 2017 11:12 utc | 134 @ Mina | Jan 8, 2017 6:00:01 AM | 133 Posted by: Outraged | Jan 8 2017 11:29 utc | 135 @ Debsisdead | Jan 8, 2017 6:12:48 AM | 134 Posted by: Outraged | Jan 8 2017 12:07 utc | 136 From the middleeasteye article linked by outraged Posted by: Mina | Jan 8 2017 12:09 utc | 137 @135 or, ‘Speculative: The Israeli Zionists may be in for a shellacking come the 15th … a new legally binding UNSC resolution, that may specifically enable UNSC sanctions to follow … only a week away … 😉 The new POTUS cannot overturn previous UNSC resolutions …’ Posted by: jfl | Jan 8 2017 12:14 utc | 138 Fundrasing for the kind people that sheltered Edward Snowden Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 8 2017 12:38 utc | 139 from the uk mail link in the middleeasteye link posted by outraged and referred to by mina … Israel plot to ‘take down’ Tory minister: Astonishing undercover video captures diplomat conspiring with rival MP’s aide to smear Deputy Foreign Secretary
exactly what happens in the us … and france and germany and italy …. the difference is that the us bankrolls the israeli bagmen to the tune – now, since the nobel peace prize laureate’s raise – of 3.8 billion us/year.
it would be wonderful if this made that possible, and if it spread across the atlantic to ac/dc and caught fire there, as well. Posted by: jfl | Jan 8 2017 12:38 utc | 140 @ jfl | Jan 8, 2017 7:38:59 AM | 140 Posted by: Outraged | Jan 8 2017 12:54 utc | 141 In France BDS has been made illegal by law by former PM Valls, a guy who boast he is a humanist (openly freemason). The UK scandal is made to put pressure on France before the 15th Jan. conference, where you can be sure Fr and Uk were going to be very mild on Israel (speeches and nothing else). Can’t imagine any major newspapers or TV will report the scandal in detail. Posted by: Mina | Jan 8 2017 12:55 utc | 142 Update:
This is just from a 3min trailer/clip 😉 there’s four hours of documentary prepped from months of footage … only a few comments on this update but hundreds of Likes/Upvotes … this story will have legs … Posted by: Outraged | Jan 8 2017 13:28 utc | 143 @ 135 Outraged Posted by: pantaraxia | Jan 8 2017 13:59 utc | 144 Followup to 143:
Haven’t reviewed the content of the above yet … Posted by: Outraged | Jan 8 2017 14:01 utc | 145 @ Posted by: pantaraxia | Jan 8, 2017 8:59:42 AM | 144
No disagreements here re above … yet multiple events & coincidences trouble me greatly … Why has Israel been unable to get the 70 Nation conference in France for the 15th killed then, if France and the US are her utterly beholden puppets ? Or other nations not to attend ? Why did US abstain, justify the abstention, and Kerry give a followup speech considered extremely undiplomatic re the recent UNSC resolution ? troubling, it is… Posted by: Outraged | Jan 8 2017 14:11 utc | 146 Followup to 145:
Posted by: Outraged | Jan 8 2017 14:19 utc | 147 First meaningful US report from Juan Cole (some have come to suspect is a Neocon or CIA asset/apologist ?):
Posted by: Outraged | Jan 8 2017 14:34 utc | 148 what then? very simple, we have a law against people who watch AJ or anything we don’t like, they can be “fiché S”, ordered to stay confined at home with obligatory visits to the police station everyday, and if really they insist our “leftist” (i’m cynical here, i shouldn’t, because it is bad for health) governement has also passed a law to stripe then of their French citizenship in case they dared doing that with a foreign background. and in case the extreme-right wins the election, well the laws are already in place for them. and if they don’t have a foreign background, well as long as they stay home it’s fine, but if they ever try to write about some ideas etc, we make them understand that we know about it and usually that does not mix well with having a job. next? Posted by: Mina | Jan 8 2017 14:56 utc | 149 @ pantaraxia | Jan 8, 2017 8:59:42 AM | 144
Respectfully, after reviewing your link and footage, it does not appear to me to definitively actually support the above emphatic statements nor those in the Times of Israel article itself. The Deputy Secretary of National Security(DSoNS), is Not the POTUS, nor the Secretary of State, or their deputies, nor the Secretary of National Security … In what IMHO, consider a partisan gotcha interview, the majority of it was the DSoNS strongly and passionately decrying the unsustainable situation of the longstanding and current Israeli Government position … most emphatically … would draw no succor or boundless confidence as you assert from this interview re possible(?)future US government intentions/conduct. Posted by: Outraged | Jan 8 2017 15:39 utc | 150 Well the New York Times (Pravda(Truth!)), the paper of record(?), has an article up … as predicted, it simply jumbles and does some paraphrasing of the original sanitized Guardian report, with yet even further, Omissions. Hence the NYT can declare, hand-on-heart, they covered the story. Nothin’ to see here folks, move along, move along:
Posted by: Outraged | Jan 8 2017 15:52 utc | 151 seems like the guy Maria worked for is a real sweetheart too. Posted by: dan of steele | Jan 8 2017 16:12 utc | 152 Followup re #IsraelEmbassyTapes:
Lot’s of new details in above, as we dive deeper down the rabbit hole … new video clips/footage too.
That’s it really, the rest is just re-hash of what’s already been reported. Posted by: Outraged | Jan 8 2017 20:38 utc | 153 141 outraged, ‘Have great difficulty in believing the recent USNC vote was a once off novelty … it did not happen by accident … and just as this long-term covert OP by Qatar/al-Jazeera was never seen comin’ by the Israeli Government, nor was the recent UNSC resolution, which they new nothing of until the very last moment (24hours preceding) … doubt any concern for humanity has anything at all to do with the given the players involved motives …’ Posted by: jfl | Jan 8 2017 21:15 utc | 154 I have been reading a large movement of arms from U.S / Nato to the Russian border. Does anyone see anything in this beyond sabre rattling? Could an outgoing lame duck jerk be allowed to kick off a global war? Posted by: John Bowery | Jan 8 2017 21:17 utc | 155 JFL another piece of the jigsaw is Qatar buying into RU Gov owned Rosneftegaz a month or so back. Posted by: Peter AU | Jan 8 2017 21:33 utc | 156 @ Peter AU | Jan 8, 2017 4:33:12 PM | 156
Valid points …
Former, not really, just a dummy spit with some attempted provocation thrown in, most likely. Latter, if he wanted to, he is CIC, with full war powers, by executive decree thanks to precedents established by Bush the Younger … likelihood is low though … (they love their children too …) Posted by: Outraged | Jan 8 2017 22:26 utc | 157 https://twitter.com/em_bernadin/status/818208485565460480 Posted by: David | Jan 8 2017 23:19 utc | 158 154 Posted by: chipnik | Jan 9 2017 0:32 utc | 159 149 Posted by: chipnik | Jan 9 2017 0:43 utc | 160 @154, 157 outraged, Posted by: jfl | Jan 9 2017 0:47 utc | 161 isis blows up the hayyat gas factory in east homs putting millions out of a source of heat, including those dealing with the water problem in damascus and etc… gotta love kerry admitting that he had hoped they could use isis as leverage against assad to remove him.. thanks kerry for showing the world what a messed up country you come from.. Posted by: james | Jan 9 2017 1:06 utc | 162 good write up from elijah j m on the syrian war circa 2011 to present, with the title “Are Russia, Iran, Hezbollah and al-Qaida winners in Syria? Posted by: james | Jan 9 2017 2:31 utc | 163 james 163 Posted by: Peter AU | Jan 9 2017 3:33 utc | 164 Destruction of infrastructure and the non-combatant/civilian consequences thereof has been our malevolent way of Unlawful War since, forever … just ask the ghosts of Sherman, Le May or MacArthur … our patsies are just taking the fall for following our directives … at the command (military(political)) and executive level we’ve always considered humans, even our own citizens/soldiers, let alone other nations, little more than cattle, stock … ass-wipes. May the suffering and long-term effects be returned to the psychopaths tenfold, in kind. Grrrh! Posted by: Outraged | Jan 9 2017 3:34 utc | 165 mike [bomb nk] finney, Posted by: denk | Jan 9 2017 3:40 utc | 166 @164 peter au… yes, i agree with you on all of that… i am not on twitter, but do read him when he has a new article out.. i missed this one from a few days ago.. Posted by: james | Jan 9 2017 3:57 utc | 167 Followup re #IsraelEmbassyTapes: Posted by: Outraged | Jan 9 2017 3:58 utc | 168 Outraged 168 Posted by: Peter AU | Jan 9 2017 4:10 utc | 169 James 167 Posted by: Peter AU | Jan 9 2017 4:20 utc | 170 161 Posted by: Peter AU | Jan 9 2017 4:35 utc | 172 @ Peter AU | Jan 8, 2017 11:10:56 PM | 169 Posted by: Outraged | Jan 9 2017 4:41 utc | 173 [Vanity Press, Hollywood] – Emerald City Director Tarsem Singh Dhandwar’s publicist affirmed today that Hillary Rodham is in talks for a cameo appearance in ECs second season, with pilot shooting already underway, cast as Queen Mother to Glynda, the White Witch character, so that ‘Glyndas innermost thoughts can be heard through Rodham’s Queen Mother voice-over narration’, the publicist explained, kinda all Shawshank’y. Posted by: chipnik | Jan 9 2017 4:55 utc | 174 chipnik 175 Posted by: Peter AU | Jan 9 2017 5:14 utc | 176 Outdated, opening premise/context, though the fundamentals have never changed since the days of the British Empires hand-over to the Good Ol’ USofA, initial article provides a good overview given those flaws … maintained, regularly, updated War Plan has been active since the days of Truman & Eisenhower
Declassified Docu & analysis – The National Security Archives:
Posted by: Outraged | Jan 9 2017 5:15 utc | 177 Outraged 173 Posted by: Peter AU | Jan 9 2017 5:19 utc | 178 103 Posted by: chipnik | Jan 9 2017 5:22 utc | 179 Here is an update on Syria from China News (total article) Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 9 2017 6:32 utc | 180 Why Has Israeli Spy Shai Masot Not Been Expelled? Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 9 2017 6:36 utc | 181 #IsraelEmbassyTapes:
Posted by: Outraged | Jan 9 2017 7:13 utc | 182 PeterAU 169 Posted by: m143 | Jan 9 2017 10:46 utc | 183 @ Peter AU 173 m143 # 183, Posted by: Debsisdead | Jan 9 2017 13:10 utc | 184 #IsraelEmbassyTapes:
Posted by: Outraged | Jan 9 2017 13:27 utc | 185 @ Debsisdead | Jan 9, 2017 8:10:41 AM | 184 Posted by: Outraged | Jan 9 2017 13:30 utc | 186 #IsraelEmbassyTapes: Posted by: Outraged | Jan 9 2017 13:44 utc | 187 In France the sole news about the UK in Le Monde is that… there’s a tube strike in London. You can’t make this up, some here would say. Posted by: Mina | Jan 9 2017 13:44 utc | 188 @ Mina | Jan 9, 2017 8:44:41 AM | 188 Posted by: Outraged | Jan 9 2017 13:55 utc | 189 | Oh! mice! An Open thread and a New Year! Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jan 9 2017 14:29 utc | 190 @189 outraged Posted by: jfl | Jan 9 2017 15:26 utc | 191 191 Posted by: chipnik | Jan 9 2017 16:00 utc | 192 Outraged/jfl Posted by: Curtis | Jan 9 2017 16:06 utc | 193 http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/how-one-israeli-border-hospital-is-treating-wounded-syrians-849979971727 Posted by: Curtis | Jan 9 2017 16:08 utc | 194 Followup to 187
Further:
Posted by: Outraged | Jan 9 2017 16:13 utc | 195 outraged/jfl Posted by: Curtis | Jan 9 2017 16:18 utc | 196 @ jfl | Jan 9, 2017 10:26:12 AM | 191
Posted by: Outraged | Jan 9 2017 16:31 utc | 197 @195 This story will get buried pretty fast IMO. Usual excuses…. he was just doing his job, making a mountain out of a molehill, nothing to see here….etc. Posted by: dh | Jan 9 2017 17:22 utc | 198 @ Posted by: Peter AU | Jan 8, 2017 10:33:30 PM | 164
Feel compelled to comment on this. Objectively, Russia cannot ‘face down’ the US, in any category of Military endeavor, with the sole exception of Nuclear Warfare, which has become the bedrock of Russia’s Strategic Defence. Russia’s conventional military is, IMHO, fully capable of defending Russia’s Border’s and territories, however, it’s conventional forces strategic force projection capabilities are extremely constrained and extremely limited, as is the types and most importantly, quantities of materiel and most importantly, trained/experienced personnel as well as technical/logistic/manufacture/maintenance capabilities re those specific conventional strategic force projection assets. Posted by: Outraged | Jan 9 2017 17:27 utc | 199 b never writes about germany. i get a news letter from a guy named victor [wechsler] grossman, and this one, “THE YANKS ARE COMING!” no. 124 observes …
… not sponsored by the un, not even by nato … isn’t it an invasion then? of germany and the baltic states?
… far too few. it really does seem to me that we americans are not the only ones supine in the face of the neo-con nobel peace prize laureate’s run amuk. brits, french, germans, americans … all of us on the couch ‘eating popcorn’ as the war crimes in syria intensify and germany and the baltics are invaded by the american wehrmacht. Posted by: jfl | Jan 10 2017 1:48 utc | 200 |
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