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January 5, 2017
Open Thread 2017-01
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Ok, we are on our kids so don’t mess up. Please try and be polite if possible. Posted by: jo6pac | Jan 5 2017 19:25 utc | 1 While all your emails and the websites you visit are ‘suspected’ in advance, terrorists roam freely through train stations emptied of any employees to be replaced by machines Posted by: Mina | Jan 5 2017 19:34 utc | 2 Robert Gerard Sands, commonly known as Bobby Sands, was an Irish member of the Provisional Irish Republican Army who died on hunger strike while imprisoned at HM Prison Maze. Posted by: ALberto | Jan 5 2017 19:46 utc | 3 U.S. Department of Homeland Security claims that the DNC was hacked using the “Russian” malware tool they have named Grizzly Steppe or “PAS tool PHP web kit”. Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jan 5 2017 19:59 utc | 5 b was true on Turkey and NATO Posted by: Mina | Jan 5 2017 20:05 utc | 6 Anyone see this Posted by: rawdawgbugfalo | Jan 5 2017 20:20 utc | 7 @ Mina | Jan 5, 2017 3:05:48 PM | 6
The coup against Erdogan … failed … Posted by: Outraged | Jan 5 2017 20:27 utc | 8 b, sorrie repost again. Latest news from Aleppo, Vanessa Beeley reporting. She was in Syria when Headchoppers contaminated the water supply there and also UK channel 4… Posted by: The Original Jack Smith | Jan 5 2017 20:31 utc | 9 Petri Krohn@5 – Great work, Petri. Every time the U.S. government chokes out one of their Russian Hacker conspiracy theories, the IT community just rolls their eyes. Posted by: PavewayIV | Jan 5 2017 20:38 utc | 10 Swedish peace researcher and photographer Jan Oberg visits East Aleppo to speak to residents there after the area’s liberation by the SAA: Posted by: Jen | Jan 5 2017 20:45 utc | 11 @ PavewayIV | Jan 5, 2017 3:38:14 PM | 10 Posted by: Outraged | Jan 5 2017 20:48 utc | 12 PW @10– Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 5 2017 21:33 utc | 13 PavewayIV Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 5 2017 21:37 utc | 14 What could go wrong… Posted by: pubumwei | Jan 5 2017 22:06 utc | 15 @5petri/ @10 paveway / 12 outraged.. thanks petri.. i agree with paveway – everytime they trot something out, it makes them look worse, thinking people are complete fools who will believe the bs. Posted by: james | Jan 5 2017 22:11 utc | 16 meanwhile, not sure if you all have been following this, but the leader of the opposition in turkey has been told there are some concerns for his safety, so he has been offered some options to help.. meanwhile he is ramping up his view that erdogan and the akp are responsible for much of the mayhem engulfing turkey at present ( mentioned in a story yesterday on hurriyet.. here is the latest on this unfolding story, with the referendum for the change to a presidency set for sometime this year – feb, march or april.. Posted by: james | Jan 5 2017 22:15 utc | 17 more on turkeys referendum in one of the columnists today as well for anyone interested.. Posted by: james | Jan 5 2017 22:20 utc | 18 could have just as easily been said by assad.. Posted by: james | Jan 5 2017 22:23 utc | 19 James Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 5 2017 22:30 utc | 20 @ karlof1 | Jan 5, 2017 4:33:35 PM | 13
DECEPTION AND DISINFORMATION & PSYCHOLOGICAL OPERATIONS Posted by: Outraged | Jan 5 2017 22:42 utc | 21 Anonymous @20– Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 5 2017 22:51 utc | 22 Orig Jack 9 and Jen 11 Posted by: Curtis | Jan 5 2017 23:02 utc | 23 @22 I find it increasingly difficult to have any kind of conversation without being called a conspiracy theorist, a fascist or a ‘Putin-lover’. Either that or it quickly turns into identity politics and you get called racist or sexist. I don’t know if it’s a permanent condition or if humanity will find its way through. Posted by: dh | Jan 5 2017 23:11 utc | 24 Anonymous @ 20 Posted by: Ken Nari | Jan 5 2017 23:13 utc | 25 Outraged @21– Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 5 2017 23:59 utc | 26 @22 karlof, ‘a constant downslide in US citizenry’s trust in MSM — unless they are democrat/”liberals”‘
it’s not a question of rational argument, it’s a question of a meal ticket. Posted by: jfl | Jan 6 2017 0:17 utc | 28 @27 On airplanes, over dinner, even with my kids. I’m a real misfit but I don’t quit. Posted by: dh | Jan 6 2017 0:19 utc | 29 i never follow nmb’s links because they are always bit.ly … but pasting the link titles into a search brings them up.
… coupled with one of james’ links above …
… things look to go from bad to worse in turkey. perhaps, too, in germany, if AfD gets its hands on power. Posted by: jfl | Jan 6 2017 0:51 utc | 30 Senator Richard Black sent this inspiring message to us: Posted by: OJS | Jan 6 2017 0:51 utc | 31 @20 Posted by: b4real | Jan 6 2017 1:01 utc | 32 – Conn Hallinan talked about the nuclear tensions between India & Pakistan. And those tensions received more fuel as a result of policies of the Bush administration. Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 6 2017 1:19 utc | 33 Forgot to mention something, Posted by: b4real | Jan 6 2017 1:22 utc | 34 Interesting comparison between Vietnam war and the Obama democrats Posted by: rawdawgbugfalo | Jan 6 2017 1:40 utc | 35 Did anyone witness 3 stooges McCain, Graham and Clapper stink the room up at the Senate inquiry into Russian hacking yesterday in the blanket attempt at delegitimising Trumps win…? Russian boogeyman beat up again, without any evidence…and Cruz came out looking sane for once apparently. Would like some feedback on how it looked on CSpan if anyone was watching. Posted by: MadMax2 | Jan 6 2017 2:07 utc | 36 @ b4real | Jan 5, 2017 8:22:12 PM | 34 Posted by: Outraged | Jan 6 2017 2:14 utc | 37 25 petri Posted by: jfl | Jan 6 2017 2:17 utc | 38 >>>> karlof1 | Jan 5, 2017 7:02:09 PM | 27
Try the comments at Lawyers, Guns and Money. Ask for evidence of any of the DNC claims concerning Russia and you’re accused of being a Putinbot. Just got banned for questioning why they hadn’t blamed Putin for a 1970 coal mining disaster since they seemed to blame him for everything else. Posted by: Ghostship | Jan 6 2017 2:21 utc | 39 Willy2 Posted by: Peter AU | Jan 6 2017 2:27 utc | 40 James Woolsey quits Trump transition team, doesn’t like its direction. Hopefully good news that that Neocon warmonger is unhappy w our next President. Posted by: fairleft | Jan 6 2017 2:33 utc | 41 @b4real ‘ I listened to the senate hearings this morning with regard to the “Russian hacking” … Their goal is easy to see, but the law of unintended consequences is always in effect, just like gravity…’ Posted by: jfl | Jan 6 2017 2:44 utc | 42 15 Posted by: chipnik | Jan 6 2017 3:02 utc | 43 32 Posted by: chipnik | Jan 6 2017 3:19 utc | 44 Posted by: MadMax2 | Jan 5, 2017 9:07:08 PM | 36 Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 6 2017 3:36 utc | 46 JFL “until the carnage he’s likely to cause to the domestic economic situation of ordinary americans becomes apparent.” Posted by: Peter AU | Jan 6 2017 3:49 utc | 47 Posted by: b4real | Jan 5, 2017 8:01:15 PM | 32 Posted by: Peter AU | Jan 6 2017 4:18 utc | 48 jfl @42:
Much of that “carnage” stems from Obama’s:
Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 6 2017 4:19 utc | 49 b4real@32 – Nice post – thanks for sharing your thoughts. They all make perfect sense. Posted by: PavewayIV | Jan 6 2017 4:29 utc | 50 Spent the day reading this: Posted by: rg the lg | Jan 6 2017 4:31 utc | 51 Fascinating events and strange power-plays throughout the power structure. Trump is making alliances as fast as he can with a variety of factions–he’s shown me he knows what Washington is about which is mainly just power and not ideology. The easiest way to assert power is through “creating” a “threat” in order to throw funding your way. This is why U.S. power and prestige in the world is rapidly declining–most people know that and are waiting for the house of cards to collapse–hopefully Trump will provide the push–we’ll see. Whether he’s a good guy or not he has balls. @9 ojs Posted by: jfl | Jan 6 2017 6:30 utc | 53 @ 20 Anonymous.. thanks anonymous. i see it differently, but appreciate your perspective. the way i see it, it is typically a small few that have a big influence on a larger group. we need leaders, not followers.. the folks here who have managed to cut thru the bullshit then to be more leadership material, then followers. i maintain it is these same small few that make a much bigger difference, and as @32 b4real points out – we do make a difference. Posted by: james | Jan 6 2017 7:28 utc | 54 LOL,Smooth Move Posted by: okie farmer | Jan 6 2017 8:06 utc | 55 Theoretical physicist Verlinde is able to DERIVE Modified Newtonian Dynamics equations (which had no theoretical basis), using (amongst other things) a type of entropy dependent on quantum entanglement – and perhaps kill so-far-undiscovered “dark matter”, in the process. “The Case Against Dark Matter” https://www.quantamagazine.org/20161129-verlinde-gravity-dark-matter/ We noted a stinging comment by Jasper von Altenbockum in FAZ this morning, in which he hyperventilates about the fact that the terrorist was able to amass 14 identity documents and travel freely through Schengen-Land. He said the real tragedy of the Berlin massacre is that the police had correctly identified him as a potential danger, but failed to draw the right conclusions. Posted by: okie farmer | Jan 6 2017 8:49 utc | 57 49 Posted by: chipnik | Jan 6 2017 8:51 utc | 58 56 Posted by: chipnik | Jan 6 2017 9:20 utc | 59 ISIS corpses litter east Aleppo battlefield as another offensive flops
Syrian Army kills many terrorists in Deir Ezzor as ISIS fails to advance at key airport
Syria, Iraq to strengthen military cooperation
it’s hard to feel sorry for the us/turkey/ksa/gcc mercenaries and dupes who have been killed as a result of their attacks against the syrian people. Posted by: jfl | Jan 6 2017 10:03 utc | 60 60 Posted by: chipnik | Jan 6 2017 10:17 utc | 61
if he doesn’t succeed in starting THE war, it won’t be for lack of effort … or laissez faire, Posted by: jfl | Jan 6 2017 10:23 utc | 62
who knew …
… the us has one billionaire commie, but the plutocrats’ republic has 594 commie billionaires. Posted by: jfl | Jan 6 2017 10:38 utc | 63 @b4real Posted by: b real | Jan 6 2017 10:57 utc | 64 … the US has one billionaire commie, but the plutocrats’ republic has 594 commie billionaires. Posted by: Outraged | Jan 6 2017 11:00 utc | 65 Trump Splits With ‘Senior Advisor’ Former CIA Chief Woolsey
made a point of saying ‘time’ rather than ‘term’, didn’t he? Posted by: jfl | Jan 6 2017 11:10 utc | 66 @ b real | Jan 6, 2017 5:57:22 AM | 64
made a point of saying ‘time‘ rather than ‘term‘, didn’t he? Posted by: Outraged | Jan 6 2017 11:37 utc | 67 Nazi Germany had 3600 tanks on the Russian border when it invaded in June 1941. Posted by: Perimetr | Jan 6 2017 11:44 utc | 68 @b real, b4real, outraged, et al. Posted by: jfl | Jan 6 2017 12:11 utc | 69 @ Perimetr | Jan 6, 2017 6:44:53 AM | 68 Posted by: Outraged | Jan 6 2017 12:14 utc | 70 @ jfl | Jan 6, 2017 7:11:07 AM | 69 Posted by: Outraged | Jan 6 2017 12:37 utc | 71 I checked out the Wed edition of the “local” paper (only 3/week) and they wasted most of a page for Garry Kasparov: Posted by: Curtis | Jan 6 2017 15:15 utc | 72 This comment in the Intercept [sorry cannot remember name] is so good I must reproduce it here, hope he/she does not mind. Posted by: harrylaw | Jan 6 2017 15:26 utc | 73 binney and mcgovern: Posted by: mauisurfer | Jan 6 2017 15:26 utc | 74 Drudge pushed a story about our Nobel Peace prize winning president O-Bomba who had a lot of bombs dropped last year. Posted by: Curtis | Jan 6 2017 15:29 utc | 75 The Jerusalem Post claims that an Israeli spy sat has found a large stash of Iskander missiles in Latakia Provence. Posted by: Wwinsti | Jan 6 2017 15:41 utc | 76 Deputy leader of Libya’s U.N.-backed government resigns Posted by: Curtis | Jan 6 2017 15:44 utc | 77 Anna News have released a video with new information on the White Helmets. It shows what appears to be abandoned White Helmet training bases on the same sites used by ISIS, possibly in Aleppo. There is a spoken reference to al Zinki. There are interviews with captured(?)/ex(?) White Helment members – difficult to be sertain as it has only Russian captions. This video deserves to have English subtitles. Any takers? Posted by: Yonatan | Jan 6 2017 15:46 utc | 78 Wwinsti @76 Posted by: Yonatan | Jan 6 2017 15:51 utc | 79 @ harrylaw 73 Posted by: Outraged | Jan 6 2017 15:52 utc | 80 Wwinsti@76. So. The US has supplied the ‘Robed Dictators’ and head chopper supporters well over 100 billion dollars worth of sophisticated weaponry over the last couple of years. Also Israel is well tooled up, care of Uncle Sam. Fair’s fair. Posted by: harrylaw | Jan 6 2017 15:54 utc | 81 Yes, I am negative. Posted by: rg the lg | Jan 6 2017 15:59 utc | 82 re: usa bombing of syrian army at deir ezzor Posted by: mauisurfer | Jan 6 2017 16:08 utc | 83 AlJazeera says Sarah Palin has apologised to Assange, on FaceBorg, for maligning him in the past, adding a recommendation that he watch the Snowden movie if he gets the chance. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 6 2017 16:25 utc | 84 @Yonatan and harrylaw 79,81 Posted by: Wwinsti | Jan 6 2017 16:33 utc | 85 @James + @jfl Posted by: AtaBrit | Jan 6 2017 16:34 utc | 86 https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-intercepts-capture-senior-russian-officials-celebrating-trump-win/ Posted by: okie farmer | Jan 6 2017 17:21 utc | 87 @77 curtis.. john kirby – usa state dept daily spokesperson has been lately pushing how everyone has to get behind the gna so they can do their work.. i am sure no one will challenge him on this little bit of news you’ve shared.. not sure if you’ve been around moa for a while, but over the past year b has had a guest poster R. Galustian (on Libya) who has made a few posts on this topic. if you haven’t read them – check them out.. they are on the left side panel.. he gives a broad scope on the political games being played by the west and more.. would be good to get an update. Posted by: james | Jan 6 2017 17:29 utc | 88 good news for a change Posted by: Mina | Jan 6 2017 20:53 utc | 89 Thanks Yonatan Posted by: Mina | Jan 6 2017 21:07 utc | 90 These guys are so obsessed with self-promotion it is sickening Posted by: Mina | Jan 6 2017 21:15 utc | 91 Daraa, next door to Golan heights and Jordan, has an interesting “daesh-linked” group ruling it. Posted by: Mina | Jan 6 2017 21:20 utc | 92 RE:The shooting today. Posted by: bbbb | Jan 6 2017 22:16 utc | 93 @James Posted by: AtaBrit | Jan 6 2017 22:17 utc | 94 @ mina – thanks for those updates. Posted by: james | Jan 6 2017 23:13 utc | 95 https://twitter.com/Dwarfpoo/status/811139242860617728 Posted by: David | Jan 6 2017 23:16 utc | 96 @77 curtis @88 james
looks like the gna-play has run its course. Posted by: jfl | Jan 7 2017 1:08 utc | 97 @97 jfl… actually i think it means there is another power play over libya, just like the one in syria with usa siding with the self created gna in libya and the ‘moderate head-chopper’ union in syria.. russia is on the opposing side.. the usa thru the msm will do everything to make folks think not being a part of the gna is going off script and for syria, a political solution is the only solution while the usa continues to give military goodies to the moderate head choppers.. Posted by: james | Jan 7 2017 2:34 utc | 99 |
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