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January 06, 2017

New Intelligence Report Adds No Evidence Of "Russian Hacking" (Updated)

UPDATE: Up to today there is no public evidence that Russia hacked the Democratic National Council and/or released DNC material to Wikileaks. After today's new intelligence report (pdf) there is still no such evidence. (One third of the report is dedicated to criticize the Russian government's TV outlet Russia Today for criticizing Hillary Clinton. The RT viewer numbers claimed in the report are evidently false from 2012 and thereby completely irrelevant.) There are rather wild assertions and a lot of conjecture but zero facts that could be accepted as proof.

Alexi de Sadesky saz: "ноль + ноль = ноль"



When Hillary Clinton was defeated in the U.S. presidential election the relevant powers launched a campaign to delegitimize the President elect Donald Trump.

The ultimate aim of the cabal is to kick him out of office and have a reliable replacement, like the Vice-President elect Pence, take over. Should that not be possible it is hoped that the delegitimization will make it impossible for Trump to change major policy trajectories especially in foreign policy. A main issue here is the reorientation of the U.S. military complex and its NATO proxies from the war of terror towards a direct confrontation with main powers like Russia and China.

The cabal consists of President Obama, the defeated candidate Hillary Clinton, neoconservatves like the State Department's cookie dispenser Victoria Nuland, the Republican senators McCain and Lindsay and the military-industrial complex. (One of the few neocons planted near to Trump, former CIA director James Woolsey, threw the towel today and left the Trump transition team.)

A major role in directing the plot has fallen to Obama's consigliere John Brennan, the current director of the CIA. Another role has been delegated to the various military and NATO think tanks like the Atlantic Council and the British RUSI and reliable proxies within the media.

The current emphasis of the campaign is on the release of emails and papers from the Clinton campaign through Wikileaks. It is alleged that some releases were gained through hacking, planned and executed by the Russian government. Trump had announced that he plans to seek good relations with Russia, the power that the cabal had earlier chosen as the new enemy de jour.

But there is a problem. There is no real evidence that a "hack" ever happened. There is no evidence that Russia is involved. None at all.

Three cases of paper releases have to be differentiated:

  • The emails from Clinton's private basement mail-server were released by the State Department after various FOIA requests.
  • Emails from Clinton's campaign chief John Podesta were released after someone "spear phished" his Gmail password and got access to his mail box. Such spear phishing - sending an email which asks to change one's password on a faked login page - happens thousands of times each day. Naturally prominent people with publicly widely known addresses are the preferred targets of such stunts. This has nothing to do with real hacking which defeats a system's defense by manipulating computer code.
  • The Democratic National Council was probably hacked. "Probably" because it is still quite possible that a (murdered?) insider leaked the DNC emails and the hacking "evidence" is made up to conceal that. But even that "evidence", presented by the DNC hired company Crowdstrike, is thin.

Allegedly there were two different hacks into the DNC. One was probably harmless, the second one is said to have gained system-level access. I have found no explanation yet how the hackers of the second attack got their first entry into the DNC system. Was an administrator spear-phished? Crowdstrike's fluffy account doesn't say. But it mentions two well known tools the alleged hackers are claimed to have used: "RemCOM, an open-source replacement for PsExec available from GitHub" and "X-Agent malware with capabilities to do remote command execution, file transmission and keylogging". The X-Agent hacking suite has been known for some time and is used by several actors. It is likely also in use by other non-state and state services. All such hacking tools use freely available infrastructure like TOR or rented networks from cyber-crime wholesalers like the recently exposed Israeli denial-of-service franchiser.

The tools and the infrastructure the DNC hackers allegedly used are not evidence that points to any specific actor. Indeed any cyber-crime actor, like the NSA, seeks to disguise as a different actor when committing attacks. Something that "proves" that A did it is likely to have been created by B, C or D to disguise as A.

As no evidence exists the cabal has to rely on throwing chaff, lots of it, and on conjecture. Media who propagandize such are plenty. Keep in mind that some 95% of U.S. media backed Clinton during the campaign.

The Joint Assessment Report released (pdf) last Friday was hyped in the media. But it failed to prove hacking or any Russian involvement.

The new report released later today adds nothing but fluff to it. Selected bits of the new intelligence report are systematically "leaked" by "senior intelligence officials". Here are headlines from today that show how stupid the presented "evidence" is.

The Washington Post: U.S. intercepts capture senior Russian officials celebrating Trump win

A lot of people all over the world celebrated when Clinton lost - me included. So the headline above carries grains of truth. But it could have been be shortened to CIA finds, watches RT clip on Youtube:

Russia: State Duma applauds Trump's victory in US elections

The Russian State Duma welcomed the news of Republican candidate Donald Trump's victory in the US Presidential elections with a round of applause from Moscow, Wednesday. Deputy Vyacheslav Nikonov announced Donald Trump as the president-elect which was greeted enthusiastically by the chamber.

So yes, the WaPo report is correct. Senior Russian officials celebrated the Trump win - publicly. Even the CIA somehow got wind of that.

Deep down the Washington Post piece also says:

The new report incorporates material from previous assessments and assembles in a single document details of cyber operations dating back to 2008. Still, U.S. officials said there are no major new bombshell disclosures even in the classified report. A shorter, declassified version is expected to be released to the public early next week.

How could information from some cyber operation in 2008 be relevant here? The systems existing today are hardly the same. We can assume that this is only included to disguise the lack of current proof that any hack of the DNC happened. And the "no bombshell disclosure" line is just a different way of saying: "We got nothing new. There was no real evidence before this report and there is none in it now."

Also consider this lines from a Reuters report on the new release:

Not all 17 intelligence agencies participated in preparing the assessment.
The report contains some of what the officials called “minor footnotes” about open questions and other uncertainties

Not all 17 U.S. intelligence services signed off on the report. Those who declined to be part of it will have their reasons. Footnotes to the "slam dunk" 2002 National Intelligence Estimate on alleged Iraqi Weapons of Mass Destruction reports got some prominence:

Not all agencies involved concurred with the NIE’s conclusions. Two footnotes have come to public attention. In one, the State Department’s Bureau of Intelligence and Research dissented from the intelligence community’s majority view [...]. In another footnote, the U.S. Air Force’s director for intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance questioned [...]

Back then the "minor footnotes" caveats turned out to be correct while the "evidence" in the main report was fake and its conclusions were one big lie.

Consider also this example on how the "evidence" about the alleged DNC "hack" was gained: The FBI Now Says Democrats Were Behind Hack Investigation Delay:

“The FBI repeatedly stressed to DNC officials the necessity of obtaining direct access to servers and data, only to be rebuffed until well after the initial compromise had been mitigated. This left the FBI no choice but to rely upon a third party for information,” a senior law enforcement official told BuzzFeed News in a statement.

The third party was Crowdstrike, a cyber-something company who's founder and Chief Technical Officer is the Senior Fellow of the Atlantic Council, Dmitri Alperovitch. (I fail to find biographic information about Alperovitch. Where was he born?) The Atlantic Council NATO lobby is sponsored by various foreign (Gulf) governments and defense industry companies. Crowdstrike was hired by the DNC.

The FBI statement above inspired me to write this movie plot:

In the public courtroom:

Judge to FBI: "So you know who killed Mrs. Clintons Dream?"

FBI: "Yes. We think Vlad did it ... evidence ..."

Judge: "You found the evidence at the crime scene?"

FBI: "Yes, ehem .. no. We never visited the crime scene. We were not allowed to enter it. Our assessments rely on the reports by the private investigators. The victim's family hired those."

Hollywood rejected that movie script. "Hilarious, but too implausible," they said.

Whenever there is talk of "evidence" of alleged hacking or any Russian involvement ask for real evidence. You will likely be pointed to the several (semi-)official reports and opinions that have been issued so far. But none of these reports, which I read a to z, contains any real evidence. It may be that the DNC got hacked - may be. Even if it was - the case currently presented points only to tools and methods that are known and used all over the hacking and spying scene. To say that it was a "Russian hack" is pure conjecture based on chaff and hot air.

Keep in mind who makes those "hacking" assertions and the motives and money behind them.

Posted by b on January 6, 2017 at 15:48 UTC | Permalink

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This is getting absurd, these people going full-retard now.

Of course Russians celebrated when Hillary lost, they did that openly just as b tells us! Watch now how they try to frame this that this prove russians are somehow behind the election results! I mean its breathtaking and ugly how these people try to manipulate western world with this bs.

I mean all who celebrated Trump's win - including most people here, are we actually behind the loss and manipulated the election against Clinton? This is how friggin absurd these people try to sell this!

If Nato celebrated if Clinton would have won is that according to CIA/MSM proof that Nato was behind the elections? I mean...Jesus christ!

Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 6 2017 15:57 utc | 1

Faultless summation, b. Bravo.

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 6 2017 15:58 utc | 2

Love your site, b. But why no mention of Craig Murray and his claim that he personally met the leaker?

Posted by: spudski | Jan 6 2017 16:10 utc | 3

Yes, I am negative.

Simply put, people are evil. The rest of the animal kingdom may live by tooth and claw, but only humans kill for no reason. Religion is not a cause of evil, but rather an excuse for evil: a rationalization. The whole 'peace' movement is nothing more than a plea for the status quo. Politics is little more than an excuse for domination ... getting ones way. Democracy isn't ... except as a facade for fraud. Hope is a veiled threat to accept the status quo for me and mine ... and f**k the rest.

Someone said: "FYI RG, it is not us Americans that are the problem, it is the people who seek positions of power in our government. Like I said above, 57% of the people eligible to vote, did. I am guilty of wishing a nuclear on CONUS myself, but not total annihilation as your posts too frequently wish upon us." Well, there are a few who may not be evil, rotten to the core, but I challenge you to come up with one thing Americans do that is not exploitative or twisted to eventually justify either their position in the greed game, or created to acquire ... .

Regarding Jack Smith ... he and I actually disagree as much as we agree. The one thing we have in common is that both of us see humans as evil and thus worthy of annihilation. Maybe, then a similar non-greed based, rapacious species can come to the fore ... but not until human kind is eradicated.

Posted by: rg the lg | Jan 6 2017 16:10 utc | 4

I for one definitely did celebrate, so even though I'm a total klutz at anything internet/technical it must be true that I alone masterminded the invasion and eradication of Hillary Clinton's queenship.

I confess. I did it.

I myself have nothing against queens personally, and I did read that the queen of my native land was herself recently out for a night stroll and almost shot down by her own protecting guardsmen. So, you see, it can happen even to the best of us and Hillary should not feel personally affronted. She ought, by my mind, to feel much, much safer.

Go home, Hillary. Rock your grandbabies. Sing them a lullaby.

Also, do you in your wildest dreams think that the Russian fleet would now be withdrawing from Syria, mission truly accomplished, had the result of this election been otherwise? It's a huge, huge thing for the world to be celebrating, and whatever Trump brings to the table else - he has brought this!

This is the Russian Christmas Day. Peace on earth; goodwill to all men (and women).

Posted by: juliania | Jan 6 2017 16:24 utc | 5

Sorry, I meant Christmas Eve of course. Got carried away.

Posted by: juliania | Jan 6 2017 16:25 utc | 6

No one was happier than I to not see Hillery elected to the office of POTUS. All the reports we heard of her pathetic and her calamitous record from the past and her present belligerent attitude toward Syria and Russia foreshadowed dire events should she have her finger on the button. Her personality profile is one of a severely damaged victim of childhood, compensated for by adult psychotic disfunction. I feared as many did that she would lead the world into a self-destructive crisis.

However Donald Trump has a far more dangerous psychotic personality malfunction. His actions as POtUS will be as unpredictable and volatiles as were his unrestrained perfidious rants on the campaign trail. I refer those, hopefully all, interested to a concise and pithy article that poignantly clarifies my claims by Dr Gabor Mate

Yes, the hacking was almost certainly done by some domestic to discredit Hillary or support Trump but now it is really immaterial to where we need to move in this new and dangerous situation. Perhaps Trump could be rendered ineffectual by exposing his psychotic and psychopathic tendencies.

Posted by: juannie | Jan 6 2017 16:27 utc | 7


..all who celebrated Trump's win - including most people here..

I think that nobody here celebrated Trump's victory, really.
Both options were terrible as an offer in general.
An advantage that Trump has is that he is not really part of usual Washington political establishment, nor he really belongs to any of the two party system you have in the USA. So he is a good (and the only) "third option" that might be able to shake up stale and inefficient system that was running the show so far.
That includes and NATO and CIA and NSA and all of them.
Of course that people working in such organizations are fighting for their jobs and lives. And they do not hesitate to use all the means available.
Trump will fire probably half of them and they know it.
It will throw those way out of a comfort zone and naturally one of excuses that is repeated is a "threat to national security", hence the external enemy is needed.
As long as there is a one (Russians, Iranians, you name it..) there is a cause worth fighting for - in their eyes. And by all means.

Posted by: laserlurk | Jan 6 2017 16:35 utc | 8

The only event in modern history where these same kabalist families have gone to such desperate extremes to provoke a war was in 1939. Of course the jews had already declared war on Hitler the day he was democratically elected in 1933, but it took them 6 years to finally drag England and France into their war for Israel.

Today these same families are watching over a decade of effort and countless goyim lives and wasted goyim taxes go up in smoke. The destruction of Syria is not going to plan, and the Shabboh goys masters demanded it finished already in 2008 (think of Wesley Clark's 7 nations in 5 years quote). Iran is stronger than ever.

So they are cranking up the volume just as they did in 1939, and just as happened then the wrong parties are being blamed for this catastrophe: Putin and Assad. Then it was Hitler and Mussolini who were standing up to the zionists and saying "No Mas!"

Posted by: Kenny | Jan 6 2017 16:39 utc | 9

Sorry, laserlurk - I most certainly did, even though I did not vote for Mr. Trump. And to juannie I will say that all those who think they know what kind of president he will be, I would genuflect, were it not that the amazement I feel for those who can so absolutely determine future events has locked my knees into an upright position.

I guess I understand where you are coming from, since I also was drop dead certain Obama would be a GREAT president (I did vote for him - once) and look what happened there?

I am just wishing peace to us all the eve of this day, so I wish you peace. May your certainty have as much of a chance of being correct as was mine back in November of 2008.

I do not have faith that this will happen. But as faith is the assurance of things hoped for, in the kingdom of men I can only wait and see.

Posted by: juliania | Jan 6 2017 16:43 utc | 10

I think "deligitimizing Trump" is a means to an end. And that end is not simply attempting to influence the new Administration's foreign policy. That "influence" is unlikely to last. Trump is a great communicator. He will easily win the argument once he's in office.

With that in mind, one must seriously confide whether the goal is to dump Trump altogether via the 25th Amendent.

The Maddow interview with Schumer got a lot of attention due to Schumer's remarks warning Trump away from a confrontation with the intelligence agencies but Schumer also said that the Democrats planned to delay confirmations of cabinet nominees. That means that VP Pence (who has a long history with Sen. John McCain) and a few members of the cabinet (as few as two) could decide that Trump is incapacitated (via the supposition that Trump owes his electoral success to Putin as well as Trump's vast business interests). If the US Congress approves, that would mean that Pence would become acting President.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 6 2017 16:55 utc | 11

@ Kenny | Jan 6, 2017 11:39:47 AM | 9

Troll alert. Revisionist ahistorical, blame the joos, troll alert. Stand clear of the marked lines. Do not feed the troll.

@ laserlurk | Jan 6, 2017 11:35:08 AM | 8

Concur with your earlier remarks, however:

... Trump will fire probably half of them and they know it.
It will throw those way out of a comfort zone ... there is a cause worth fighting for - in their eyes. And by all means.

This is desirable, however, with greatest respect, its fantastic magical wishful thinking.

What was the greatest monumental error immediatley post the initial military phase of the 2003 Iraq invasion ?

The prompt sacking and dismissal/demobilization of the entire Iraqi Army/AirForce and all paramilitary and Intelligence & security service/organizations. Without a paycheck, no status/power/influence, a very large portion became the core nucleus of the subsequent successful insurgency ... and elements today are at the core military/technical/logistic/intelligence and leadership elements of ISIS.

IF Trumps administration were to decide to take action as you describe, IF they were to succeed in doing what you describe, the suddenly unemployed would never go quietly into the night, you can be assured of that. It would lead to potential true home-grown terrorism, insurgency and possibly widespread civil strife and potentially the seeds of eventual Civil War. The gloves would truly be off, I shit you not ...

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 6 2017 17:03 utc | 12

More on Dmitri's background here (born in Moscow):

Posted by: Erast Fandorin | Jan 6 2017 17:05 utc | 13

"I fail to find biographic information about Alperovitch. Where was he born?"

Washingtonsblog has lately posted a series of posts by George Eliason with details on this gentleman. The latest here:

How close is Dimitri Alperovitch to DNC officials? Close enough professionally he should have stepped down from an investigation that had the chance of throwing a presidential election in a new direction.

Also loads of information on the Chalupa sisters, closely linked to Crowdstrike. First of all Andrea was an activist within the DNC.


The Chalupas are not Democrat or Republican. They are OUNb. The OUNb worked hard to start a war between the USA and Russia for the last 50 years. According to the Ukrainian Weekly in a rare open statement of their existence in 2011, “Other statements were issued in the Ukrainian language by the leadership of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (B) and the International Conference in Support of Ukraine. The OUN (Bandera wing) called for”… What is OUNb Bandera? They follow the same political policy and platform that was developed in the 1930’s by Stepan Bandera. When these people go to a Holocaust memorial they are celebrating both the dead and the OUNb SS that killed There is no getting around this fact. The OUNb have no concept of democratic values and want an authoritarian fascism.

Ukranian-Americans then. My, what a small world.

Posted by: el sid | Jan 6 2017 17:05 utc | 14


According to this Esquire article in October Alperovitcvh was born in - surprise, surprise - Moscow.

"The Russian Expat Leading the Fight to Protect America

In a war against hackers, Dmitri Alperovitch and CrowdStrike are our special forces (and Putin's worst nightmare)...

Posted by: johnf | Jan 6 2017 17:16 utc | 15

Once Trump's team is fully in charge, there will be another, much more thorough and critical investigation. Since there is no evidence, and there can't be any, it will inevitably produce a complete repudiation of Obama's inantile witch hunt. Hussein Obama, Brenner, Clapper and other serial liars will be named and shamed as such, and intelligence agencies will be subjected to exhaustive internal clean-up. Within a year, this pathetic spectacle will be seen as one of the most shameful events in CIA history.

Posted by: telescope | Jan 6 2017 17:21 utc | 16

Faultless summation, b. Bravo.
Posted by: Outraged | Jan 6, 2017 10:58:24 AM | 2

I second that!!!

And this bit...

"But none of these reports, which I read a to z, contains any real evidence"

...from the final par of b's post brought a tear to my eye, thinking of the self-sacrificing Dedication required to wade (painstakingly) through all that dross, drivel and horseshit merely to confirm to Moonkind what we all suspected from the beginning. i.e. that the reports were nothing more than a long-winded collection of fact-free dross, drivel and horseshit.
Much appreciated, b.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 6 2017 17:29 utc | 17

thanks b.. i am so sick of this.. reminds me of the usa election run up.. and when it is over and trump is in? does everything in the usa have to be distorted into some shitty 2nd rate hollywood type flick? looks like it. i have a new song out 'the ruskies are coming'.. i already have some major supporters for this and am going to be a millionaire!

ot - went and saw the movie 'lala land' last night.. this is my once a year pilgrimage to a movie theatre.. thought the movie was really great and a breathe of fresh air.. not everything out of hollyweed is bad..

Posted by: james | Jan 6 2017 17:38 utc | 18

Re. Alperovich: "The Russian Expat Leading the Fight to Protect America"

He was born in 1980 in Moscow, in an era when people were afraid to discuss politics even inside their homes. His father, Michael, was a nuclear physicist who barely escaped being sent to Chernobyl as part of a rescue mission in 1986. Many of Michael's close friends and colleagues died of radiation poisoning within months of flying to the burning power plant. The takeaway for Dmitri was that "life is cheap in the Soviet Union."

Michael also taught Dmitri to code. Without a computer at home, Dmitri practiced by writing down algorithms on paper. In 1990, his father was sent to Maryland as part of a nuclear-safety training program for scientists. Per Soviet custom, Dmitri stayed in the USSR to ensure that his parents didn't defect. He lived with his grandparents, and when his parents returned, after a year, they brought him his first computer, an IBM PC.

In 1994, his father was granted a visa to Canada, and a year later the family moved to Chattanooga, where Michael took a job with the Tennessee Valley Authority. The work was not particularly challenging, so Michael began studying cryptography on the side. While Dmitri was still in high school, he and his father started an encryption-technology business. Dmitri says he loved the beauty of the math but also saw cryptography's fatal flaw: "If someone stole your keys to encrypt the data, it didn't matter how secure the algorithms were."

Alperovitch studied computer science at Georgia Tech and went on to work at an antispam software firm. There he met a striking dark-haired computer geek named Phyllis Schneck. As a teenager, Schneck once showed her father that she could hack into the company where he worked as an engineer. Appalled, Dr. Schneck made his daughter promise never to do something like that again.

Fighting email spam taught Alperovitch a second crucial lesson. He discovered that every time he blocked a server, the spammers deployed a hundred new servers to take its place. Alperovitch realized that defense was about psychology, not technology.

To better understand his adversaries, Alperovitch posed as a Russian gangster on spam discussion forums, an experience he wrote up in a series of reports. One day he returned from lunch to a voice mail telling him to call the FBI immediately. He was terrified. "I was not a citizen yet," he told me.

As it happened, the bureau was interested in his work. The government was slowly waking up to the realization that the Internet was ripe for criminal exploitation: "the great price of the digital age," in John Carlin's words. In 2004, the bureau was hacked by Joseph Colon, a disgruntled IT consultant who gained "god-level" access to FBI files. Colon was eventually indicted, but his attack showed the government how vulnerable it was to cybercrime.

In 2005, Alperovitch flew to Pittsburgh to meet an FBI agent named Keith Mularski, who had been asked to lead an undercover operation against a vast Russian credit-card-theft syndicate. Mularski had no prior experience with the Internet; he relied on Alperovitch, whom he calls "a good guy and a friend," to teach him how to get into the forum and speak the lingo. Mularski's sting operation took two years, but it ultimately brought about fifty-six arrests.

Good Russian vs. Putin, the bad Russian. LOL

Posted by: Gesine Hammerling | Jan 6 2017 17:51 utc | 19

Alperovich is a Jewish name, I'm surprised nobody mentioned that yet. I dont know much about this guy in particular, but his fervent rusofobia doesnt surprise me.

Posted by: Harry | Jan 6 2017 18:02 utc | 20

Agree that biographical info on Dmitri Alperovitch is not readily available aside from him going to college in Georgia.

Researchers should note that in the fifties the CIA imported all sorts of fascists into the US. The CIA's role in protecting and nourishing remnants of the OUN-B are known and the seventy-year relationship between US intelligence and the Banderites came to fruition a few years ago in the coup in Ukraine. Anyone with German and eastern European backgrounds inside the corridors of power, like Alperovitch may be, should be checked to see if in fact he was part of the CIA's exodus into the US after the war.

I am reminded of Hans von Spakovsky, Bush II's Department of Justice infiltrator, who worked diligently to keep blacks and other minorities off voting roles, is the child of a German-White Russian couple who allegedly fled Germany because of their fear of the Nazis, in 1950. Of course, 1950 was about five years late for fleeing from the Nazis, and if you fleeing Nazis you wouldn't have chosen to resettle in Huntsville, Alabama, where post-war Nazi rocket scientists were resettled.

The point being that long-term goals by the elite of the US was to steer American politics to the right by introducing fascists into the various white immigrant communities.

So, yes, whenever these guys pop up it would be interesting and helpful to find out what these guys' daddies did in the war.

Posted by: Bob In Portland | Jan 6 2017 18:05 utc | 21

@Outraged: re: "Troll alert. Revisionist ahistorical"

So just like a sycophant Hillary supporter screaming "Russia hacked the election, Putin is a Troll" you try to get me banned and yet fail to back up your claims with one thread of evidence. Please, explain to us how this never happened:

Judea declares war on Germany

So listen here outraged douchbag: Stop being a troll and propagating fake news like a podesta brother. Put up or shut up and show us how the jews didn't declare war on Germany in 1939. While you are at it, show how the jews didn't sponsor Kaufman in his 1939 masterpiece "Germany Must Perish" which was used as the basis of the Morgenthau plan when the Bolschevic Jews controlling Roosevelt and Truman murdered millions of German POW's at the Rheinlagers.

Posted by: Kenny | Jan 6 2017 18:12 utc | 22

@ Gesine Hammerling | Jan 6, 2017 12:51:51 PM | 18

He was born in 1980 in Moscow, in an era when people were afraid to discuss politics even inside their homes. His father, Michael, was a nuclear physicist who barely escaped being sent to Chernobyl as part of a rescue mission in 1986. Many of Michael's close friends and colleagues died of radiation poisoning within months of flying to the burning power plant. The takeaway for Dmitri was that "life is cheap in the Soviet Union."

Hm, therefore contrary to the narrative, his father and therefore family were comparatively very privileged and well-off compared to the average Russian in USSR 1980's. Further, as a nuclear Physicist he would have almost certainly had access to the illicit samizdat system which was very mature and widespread in such circles by the early '80's ... in 1994 obtained a visa to Canada, home and keen sponsors/protectors/supporters of the OUN and anyone rabidly anti-Russian ... left only a few years after the collapse of the USSR ... along with all those special privileges, lost ... all sounds a bit too much like a fictional fairy tale ... wonder what his fathers/fathers family story was and where his father was born too ... just because our lovely fairy tale like Dimitri was born in Moscow, doesn't mean his father considered himself Russian, or taught him Moscow/Russian culture/values ... if his father was born in, reasonably, late 30's/mid 40's, could his father have been born/grown-up in OUN Ukraine during the war on the eastern front in WWII ? And of course passed on HIS values to dear Dimitri ... the fathers history/story may well be the key context here to truly understand Dimitri ...

No, too sugary good to be true ... some serious omissions here ... whats new ...

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 6 2017 18:21 utc | 23

@ Kenny | Jan 6, 2017 1:12:55 PM | 21

- Troll alert - Rabid feral, rude, ahistorical ProPornOT(?) Troll Alert - Please stand clear of the Troll and do not attempt to feed it - your limbs may be torn off and cannibalized raw - please stand clear of the Troll -

Dearest Kenny, thank you so much for explicitly confirming beyond any reasonable doubt your true nature. Won't get any further reply from me. Ciao.

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 6 2017 18:30 utc | 24

So let me get this straight. We need to trust unquestionably the same crew that has let US down innumerable times because ..., Oh, oh yeah, that big house cleaning after 9/11 when they admitted their failures, fired all those inept workers and instilled cost effective, life saving, paradigm shifting measures that any truly externally threatened nation would make. You know like Russia actually did!

The lesson of weapons of mass destruction is simple. We make mistakes, stuff happens, rent a DVD, have a beer, watch some porn, we broke it, again, we will fix it, just like we did before! We negotiate a cease fire then oops bomb the SAA so ISIS can successfully attack, but hey with all our fancy fail safes boo boos happen, trust us! So what if the Dutch quit over it, they never had balls like US any way, quitters! Poor Debbie Wassermann-Schultz got fired, that too was a mistake, nothing to see here, move along. So the truth, we can't handle the truth or they would let us have it on our nightly news. Perhaps another explanation is in order.

The reason RT has become so popular is not because they outspend US, they have a secret weapon. Its because somehow some of US can sense TRUTH and are drawn to it. As a tax payer I hereby withdraw any authorization the US feels it has to spend any more money spreading anything but the TRUTH! And no I don't care that they made a law making it legal to lie, stop it.

Posted by: frankly | Jan 6 2017 18:31 utc | 25

@ Bob In Portland | Jan 6, 2017 1:05:44 PM | 20

Hehe. LOL. :))

Saw your post after drafting/posting mine. Do great(?) minds think alike ? ;) Cheers.

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 6 2017 18:36 utc | 26

This is just precious. John Harwood is a somewhat well-know political reporter for CNBC, NYT and other fake MSM. He set up a little mini-poll on Twitter asking the viewers "Who do you believe, America?" giving two choices: either Wikileaks or U.S. Intel Officials.

I'm sure the delusional Mr. Harwood expected the folks in his corner of the Twitterverse to cheer for U.S. Intel Officials, but the response so far has been just the opposite. 75% for Wikileaks! Maybe that isn't that surprising, but these are people who would normally bother to read something John Harwood tweets. Most normal people don't do that.

In any case, the real humor in all this is the comments people left on his goofy poll. They are worth the time scanning over - they made my day: Harwood Tweet

h/t to ZeroHedge

Posted by: PavewayIV | Jan 6 2017 18:43 utc | 27

I have been reading this website for maybe a couple of years, but have never commented. I would just like to say, that your research and analysis is excellent, and I would like to send you £10.

Is this possible?

I eventually managed to send Tom Feeley Information Clearing House $10, though my first attempt was blocked - by either UK or US banks. I phoned my bank up and asked why have you blocked my payment? I have also bought The Saker's book - and even Craig Murray's - Murder in Samarkand. Both are excellent.

Thank You,


Posted by: Tony_0pmoc | Jan 6 2017 18:46 utc | 28

Kenny | Jan 6, 2017 11:39:47 AM | 9

I really do not want to be rude, so I put it as mildly as possible: Your WWII recount is fucking bullshit and an insult to millions of jews. I strongly hope not to encounter more fascist propaganda here. This is disgusting.
Politics is not math, minus times minus doesn't equal plus.

Posted by: Pnyx | Jan 6 2017 18:47 utc | 29

@PavewayIV | Jan 6, 2017 1:43:50 PM | 26

Hey, bro in ZeroHedge earlier, did not vote but bookmarked freaking delusiona Harwood. Thanks nevertheless for MoAs.

OJS -> The Original Jack Smith

Posted by: OJS | Jan 6 2017 18:57 utc | 30


Nice first post, welcome!
About funding,

Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 6 2017 19:00 utc | 31

Solid. Thanks.

various foreign (Gulf) governments

It is called the Persian Gulf.

Posted by: nobody | Jan 6 2017 19:02 utc | 32

Excellent post and many (not all) good comments with more info.

It continues to amaze me that some so-called "leftish" blogs keep adjuring us hapless idiots that we must all bow down and pay homage to our great, our valuable, our amazing, our ever-so-truthful "intelligence" spooks. Because of Trump NOW the CIA is a vertible hot bed of truth justice and the American way, plus mom & apple pie.

Gimme a break.

This never-ending, super tedious, "election" really has pushed this benighted nation beyond the pale. I'm leery of Trump but was certainly not sorry to witness Clinton go down in flames (which I predicted in August due to the shithouse way she choose to run her campaign). The unending fecklessness (to be exceedingly kind) of Obama & the rest of the execreable mob that call themselves "Democrats" just revs up my loathing of them x 1million.

I chucked out my TV ages and ages ago and listen to radio sparingly. The only real news is at sites like this. Thanks be to the flying spaghetti monster that the Internet - as of now - provides us with options to access real info.

I have no idea what's in store for us if Trump somehow does make it to January 20 (and beyond). It seems clear that the PTB are doing their damndest to get rid of him in one fashion or another. Frankly the idea of Pence as POTUS is more frightening to me than Trump. Hope Trump's private security team can keep him safe bc ....

Keep up the good work. It's helpful to come here and read the well researched posts. Many thanks.

Posted by: RUKidding | Jan 6 2017 19:41 utc | 33

P.S. Thanks for re-confirming that there is, as yet, no SOLID PROOF that Boris & Natasha hacked the DNC. None. Plus no real solid proof that the info released by those hacks actually swung the election for Trump anyway. I suspect that even without the leaks/hacks/whatever Clinton would've lost. Her campaign sucked. She wanted rich Republicans to vote for her, not the nasty smelly icky awful poor D-voters in the Rust Belt. The Republicans Clinton sucked up to said: Nyet. The poorz said: fine. Then we'll vote for the guy who's actually coming to my hometown to talk to me. Whoda thunk that campaign strategy woulda worked? Well, clearly, not Hilbot.

Sucks to be Clinton. Happy to see her go away (hopefully).

Posted by: RUKidding | Jan 6 2017 19:45 utc | 34

McAfee White Paper Revealed: Operation Shady RAT (2011) actor China by Dmitri Alperovitch [pdf]

See also his efforts on behalf of the Atlantic Council here

Posted by: Oui | Jan 6 2017 19:54 utc | 35

Barry thinks he is al-buraq...

Posted by: pubumwei | Jan 6 2017 19:58 utc | 36

Russian hacking debate between Brent Budowsky, Daniel MCadams and Lionel in RT

OJS -> The Original Jack Smith

Posted by: OJS | Jan 6 2017 20:04 utc | 37

Reading what Trump now have said its seems he coming along halfway on Obama/CIA/MSM,
basically he says hacking occured but no influence on election.

A win for the warmongers I am afraid.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 6 2017 20:08 utc | 38

Here is an interesting and detailed investigation published by washingtonsblog suggesting that the people framing Russia for the alleged "hacks" are actually ex-patriate Ukrainian ultra-nationalists within the American Democratic party connected to the cyber security firm Crowdstrike of Dmitri Alperovitch

Alperovitch in turn is connected to OUNb Ukraine, a supporter organization for the Neo-Nazi wing within the post-coup Ukrainian government, who still celebrate the WWII Nazi mass-murderer Stepan Bandera.
He is also connected to the Chalupa family, Irene Chalupa is leader of Ukrainian emigrees, Andrea Chalupa worked for the Euromaidanpress and her sister Alexandra was a research staffer for the Clinton campaign. All of them were said to expect high positions in a Clinton government.

Posted by: Eve Human | Jan 6 2017 20:09 utc | 39

type @11: ... one must seriously consider ...

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 6 2017 20:09 utc | 40


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 6 2017 20:09 utc | 41

I'd be curious to know if any link/s might exist between Crowdstrike and the crowd behind the PropOrNot (or ProPornOT as some snickeringly say) site. I wouldn't be surprised if the people behind both were much the same or even exactly the same. At the levels TPTB operate, the incest is probably much tighter than what Queen Victoria's descendants achieved among the royal families of Europe.

Bob In Portland @ 21:
Too many fascists also found safe havens among immigrant communities in Australia and Canada and helped shape those countries' foreign policy directions.

Posted by: Jen | Jan 6 2017 20:29 utc | 42

@38 Trump's precise words...

“While Russia, China, other countries, outside groups and people are consistently trying to break through the cyberinfrastructure of our governmental institutions, businesses and organizations including the Democrat National Committee, there was absolutely no effect on the outcome of the election including the fact that there was no tampering whatsoever with voting machines.”

Posted by: dh | Jan 6 2017 20:30 utc | 43

@25 frankly.. that is how i see it too.. "The reason RT has become so popular is not because they outspend US, they have a secret weapon. Its because somehow some of US can sense TRUTH and are drawn to it."

@27 paveway.. if they ran an election between 'Wikileaks and U.S. Intel Officials', the same sycophant crowd running the western msm would be telling us now us intel officials are a slam dunk to win.. ordinary people aren't buying it.. blame rt, russia, putin and keep on trying to reenact the cold war..

to me it's very simple.. are you for war, or are you for peace? are you into believing regular liars, or are you into believing something different? sorry for the simplification of all this hoopla.. that is how i see it.. folks are being given a choice on what they want to believe, with or without concrete info to go on.. it is much like the bill of sale on the war in iraq in 2003 - weapons of mass destruction.. if these same folks haven't figured it out by now, then they can stay asleep.. many others have woken up to the game in play here..

Posted by: james | Jan 6 2017 20:32 utc | 44

The most important thing is, Clinton won the election. Donald Trump only won the electoral college, which no one with any sense regards as legitimately democratic. There are quite a few people who aren't really into that majority rule thing who love the electoral college, though.

The second thing is, of course the hack stories are in the end nonsense. The alleged hacking didn't accomplish what it is darkly inferred they did, deliver the election to Trump. For one thing, Trump lost. The hacking in no way did the electoral college end run around the democratic will of the majority of the voters. Also, there is no sanity in the covert implication that Trump is treasonous. Of course, people have carried on for months and months about Clinton Foundation and Clinton as Secretary of State, covertly implying Clinton was treasonous. This is just tit for tat. Trump and Trumpists are whining losers who can't take it after they dished it out.

And the third thing is, once again, the real time for the supposed independent deep state of the CIA to stand up and manipulate the election before hand, so that Trump lost, so their preferred anti-Russia policy stays the number one priority, instead of China. Oh, wait, Trump lost the vote. Of course everybody knows winning the electoral college isn't really the same thing as actually winning. Since Trump isn't really legitimate by democratic standards, why not try to predetermine his foreign policy by mass media hysteria?

Posted by: s | Jan 6 2017 20:36 utc | 45

Nice piece b

Posted by: xor | Jan 6 2017 21:04 utc | 46

@Outraged, Pnyx

"an insult to millions of jews."

If the fact that Judea declared war on Germany in 1933 is an "insult to millions of jews" (your quote) then what becomes clear is that the truth is an insult to millions of jews. And we know this is true because your tribe keeps trying to hide what they did to Jesus.

This is why Schumer, Kristol, Feinstein, Boxer and all the usual tribal suspects have their panties in such a bunch about Putin and Trump. Because they are telling the truth and the vast majority of jews simply cannot tolerate it. Just as you cannot tolerate me posting links to facts proving how jewish provocations leading up to WWII are so similar to jewish provocations to Russia by Schumer and his neocon tribe now. You won't refute them, you won't discuss them, you just call me an anti-semite and a troll. How MSM you two are.

Posted by: Kenny | Jan 6 2017 21:13 utc | 47

Anonymous @38:

... [Trump] says hacking occured but no influence on election.

Trump's having been legally elected would have no bearing on any determination that he is incapacitated (as wrote about @11).

The case for an incapacity MAY BE that he fell under Putin's influence (as shown by his admiration for Putin and Putin's willingness to hack on Trump's behalf). Trump's many business interests (now controlled by his children) add more conflicts but are not as serious. And Trump's character and temperament - which have been criticized repeatedly by his opponents- would probably also be added as factor in the determination.

McCain claims that the Russian "hack" was an act of war. A lot of powerful people seem to have taken that view. Trump's resistance to this "fact" and butting heads with intelligence agencies then acknowledging that they were right may actually help his opponents (though Trump would be attacked either way).

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VP Pence invoking the 25th Amendment would be the surest way to sideline Trump if a couple of early nominees and Congress would go along (seems quite likely). And probably the safest in terms of preventing civil war because: a) it is constitutional, and b) a peaceful transition of power will have occurred.

TPTB have had a lot of time to explore how to remove Trump. You may recall that they were talking about it as early as April/May 2016.

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Anyone that believes that the election was not merely Trump vs. Hillary, or populist vs. establishment, but one Deep State faction against another would likely take the view that the goal is to dump Trump outright, not just try to influence his foreign policy.

If the latter, the attacks on Trump will intensify so as to give VP Pence and nominees political cover for invoking the 25th Amendment.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 6 2017 21:17 utc | 48

Sigh, so the deep-state drop a report on RT which basically its says RT criticze US,... ok? So apparently its forbidden to critize the US? I mean this is absurd. For one, if they could fill a report with sheer fake-news produced, but what they say is basically "RT criticze US role in Syria" "RT cover police shootings in the US" ...this lady's and Gentleman's is apparently forbidden by the same people claiming freedom of speech!
And apparently try to create an image that this truthful? reporting had what to do with the election?

This report is another attack on the freedom of speech, people need to wake up. This people wont stop, they are pushing red-scare 100% now.

As someones else said, people are driven to RT because it gives more than often a better image of an issue.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 6 2017 21:25 utc | 49

The report says:

... Moscow’s influence campaign ... [included] paid social media users or “trolls.”
What about the anti-Trump "trolls"? Who was paying THEM?

(I'm looking at you rufus).

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 6 2017 21:28 utc | 50


Thank you for another piece of great journalism.

I'm writing in dismay upon a sense that very few people actually read beyond the headlines in most cases. I've come to this conclusion based upon several common observations.

One example of this was the BBC news take on this subject which was a convoluted mish mash of nonsense that contained few facts and much hyperbole. I've also seen similar smoke and mirrors in the WaPo articles concerning the hack of the electrical grid, and "fake news". One of my early mentors gave me advice as a consultant. It's the old saw, "if you cannot dazzle them with your brilliance, blind them with your BS." That is what it is like reading most mainstream media today. It's like listening to a Clinton speech. My conclusion is that no one can understand what journalists are talking about, so the assume they are just not smart enough to understand, and accept the headline as fact, and then in embarrassment never attempt to read another article.

If you look at a recent Pew poll 96% of Democrats are concerned about Russians hacking the election, while only 29% of the Republicans have this concern. This is almost the inverse of the belief that Obama is a Muslim. I can only conclude that these beliefs are dependent upon one's new source and also means that public opinion is totally manipulated and impervious to published fact.

Posted by: Michael | Jan 6 2017 21:31 utc | 51

Yeah, I'm negative ... but, read this:

I suspect that many on this site denigrate RT and the Duran because the truth is a hard thing to swallow by people who believe that people (even Americans) are good. Bullshit. Homo sapiens is anti-life. Needs to be done away with ...

Posted by: rg the lg | Jan 6 2017 21:31 utc | 52

Many people are benefitting from all of this confusion. It's not as simple, though, as saying that those who are targeting Russia are some sort of "cabal". It's not as if Russia is some innocent bystander who would never interfere with our politics. They have demonstrated plenty of willingness to do so. That is not proof, of course, but the attention this story is getting at least gets that possibility in front of the public. The world is saturated with disinformation and it is high time the public starts developing a defense against it.

I am fascinated that so many sites like Moon Over A. are dedicated to being the anti-anti-Russia sites. I realize that there needs to be a skeptical side to all of this, but many are falling backward into becoming pro-Russia cheerleaders. That is just as dangerous. There is a middle ground in all of this. The fact that Moon and others are not in that middle ground depresses me because it makes me think they are either dupes or in on some kind of disinformation campaign of their own.

The facts are that someone interfered with the election. That interference has a high probability of changing the course of the election. That alone should make us want to investigate the heck out of the story. Whether it lands on Russia or not is immaterial. As far as I can see, no one is calling for Trump to stand down over this. Does it cast a shadow over his presidency? Of course, but then, he casts his own shadow. And his response to all of this makes it even worse. It's not as if he is out there saying we should find out who really did it. He just doesn't seem to care (at best).

If for a minute I thought Trump's pro-Russian stance was based on some kind of well thought out foreign policy I would be willing to give these kinds of stories some credence. But Trump's incoherence blows it for me. He can't be both anti-Iran and then side with all the folks that are pro-Iran. That's incoherent. It leads me to believe that he is pro-Russian for bad reasons. In other words, he has been corrupted, duped, or both. That in itself is a powerful story. If it turns out Russia had nothing to do with our elections and helping Trump then great. But who did? That matters. It matters because it may still lead back to Trump's camp and that is a problem. After years of investigating Obama and Clinton over how they spun Benghazi, the least we can do is care about what happened here.

Posted by: Mars over Alberta | Jan 6 2017 21:36 utc | 53


It seems to me that your hypothesis that Trump is pro Russian is fallacious, and sets the trap that Trump is a Russian agent. My view is that Trump is a self serving business man and sees a profitable outcome in a transactional relationship with Russia. Looking at Trump's Secretary of State, the CEO of Exxon, it's obvious that there is a lot of money to be made off of Russian petroleum products and Trump wants in.

Posted by: Michael | Jan 6 2017 21:50 utc | 54

i was wondering about "Dmitri Alperovitch" myself. i'd seen the atlantic council connection somewhere (maybe here?) and everything i read gives off a "my family were vultures in russia before putin kicked them out" vibe. i'd bet he has zbig on his speed dial.

good article in general...not to sound like a snob (i'm hardly an expert myself), but a lot of the stupidity around this seems to come from media and gov't types who can't change their desktop background without tech support. when everything is called a "hack" and "experts" like alperovitch are the oracles spouting cryptic messages of doom you get a steady storm of dumbness. consider that a venn diagram of clinton supporters + people who are BFF with a "nigerian prince" would have significant overlap and things get outright tarded.

Posted by: the pair | Jan 6 2017 21:58 utc | 55

Seems that Trump's statement is acknowledging the fact that hacking attempts took place, which is hardly a surprise to anyone. So he is giving the security services a pat on the back. "Good job guys.....but we still need proof that it affected the election." Question is will it shut McCain and his friends up?

Posted by: dh | Jan 6 2017 22:03 utc | 56

just saw the article about alperovitch; ukrainian. makes sense. i had a friend who was from the area and she happened to be both jewish and living in maryland/DC as well. from the few conversations we had regarding her life there i'd say that article's view is highly subjective. also: "life is cheap" from a US media source. that's rich.

Posted by: the pair | Jan 6 2017 22:10 utc | 57


Really? Hacking took place? Where is the evidence?!

Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 6 2017 22:15 utc | 58

For the record, it was FDR (mainly) who pushed the world into war in 1939.

Herbert Hoover:

Respected mainstream liberal Jewish historian, Robert Herzstein:

Posted by: fnn | Jan 6 2017 22:16 utc | 59

@ 58 Hacking ATTEMPTS ....I'm as careful with words as Trump.

Posted by: dh | Jan 6 2017 22:21 utc | 60

@53 mars over alberta... you sound like you're smoking (made in the usa) msm crack.. i am curious if it ever occurs to folks like yourself touting this line of 'russia meddling in the usa election', that the usa has a long history in meddling in other countries elections? i'm not saying any of it's right just the fact countries do this all the time, especially the one at present - the usa - who is calling the fucking kettle black! so, please tell me you ain't smoking usa msm crack, and are able to see how this can and does swing both ways? and cut the bullshit about folks here being pro russian.. folks just ain't buying all the made in the usa bullshit.. that's all..

Posted by: james | Jan 6 2017 22:24 utc | 61

@58 Incidentally you misquoted Trump in your post #38. Or maybe that was another Anonymous.

Posted by: dh | Jan 6 2017 22:25 utc | 62


Ok well where are the evidence for the attempts then and by who?

Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 6 2017 22:28 utc | 63

@63 That is a more interesting question. I wasn't at the hearing. You'll have to ask Donald.

Posted by: dh | Jan 6 2017 22:34 utc | 64

b, quoting Reuters:
“Not all 17 intelligence agencies participated in preparing the assessment.”

Yeah, ya’ really have to read the large-print – as in the titles of these reports. The Oct07 “Joint Statement” was produced by DHS +ODNI. The Dec29 “Grizzly Steppes” JAR was produced by DHS + FBI. Reuters keeps pointing out how ODNI, FBI, and CIA are butting heads over these issues. IOW, there is no Intelligence Community agreement. If there was, you would be seeing documents titled “Intelligence Assessment.”

In the texts of the various reports that Obama has released note how none of his crap is referred to as an “Intelligence Assessment,” a term that has a formal meaning as being the product of and supported by all 17 members of the IC. Every since the Sep|2013 Ghouta intelligence cluster-fuck, Obama has been punting Intelligence Assessments and putting out more often what are titled “Administration Assessments” or “Government Assessments.” These are euphemisms for “unsubstantiated bullshit that is not backed by the IC.”

Recall that in Sep|2013, having been badly burned by Bush/Cheney in 2003, a bunch of intelligence professionals threatened to resign and make a big stink if Obama released an “Intelligence Assessment” alleging that Assad gassed his own people. That just didn’t happen, and a lot of the intel people knew the allegation was not adequately supported.

When a report gets stamped “Intelligence Assessment,” pay attention; otherwise, it’s bullshit packaged for purely political reasons

Posted by: Denis | Jan 6 2017 22:37 utc | 65


Well you just claimed there were hacker attempts and that was something obvious that shouldnt come as surprise, if you just refering to what Trump have.said please use quotation marks.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 6 2017 22:38 utc | 66

Mars over Alberta @53:

Your "facts" are as bogus as your handle:

1) The fact that Moon and others are not in that middle ground ...
You provide no evidence of this "fact". Mocking blatant propaganda from Western media does not make one pro-Russian.

I think many are here because they establishment policies as divorced from the people's interests and often immoral. Syria is just one example (but a good one). Western governments support countries that have been shown to support extremists as a weapon. AFAIK, Sy Hersh was the first to bring this to public attention in his "The Redirection (2007) which described a plan to topple Assad with extremists as part of a strategic realignment between Israel, Saudi Arabia, and USA to counter Iran.

The facts are that someone interfered with the election.
The fact" is, many people try to interfere with elections. Some do so with monetary donations (almost unlimited $$$ flows into PACs, superPACs, etc.). Some do so with paid trolls. Some do so with a dozen women suddenly appearing to say that Trump acted badly.

Were the voters misled? No. The info released showed the DNC and Democratic Party operatives to be the sleazy operators that many suspected they were. And they OWNED their mess by: Hillary's promoting Debra Wasserman Schultz to be head of her campaign; Hillary's acknowledgement of having public and private positions; Hillary's insulting the electorate by calling them "deplorables"; Hillary's lies about her emails, and more.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 6 2017 22:40 utc | 67

@66 I was referring to Trump's statement. Here is my post #56 again...

'Seems that Trump's statement is acknowledging the fact that hacking attempts took place, which is hardly a surprise to anyone. So he is giving the security services a pat on the back. "Good job guys.....but we still need proof that it affected the election." Question is will it shut McCain and his friends up?'

Anybody else want to pick nits?

Posted by: dh | Jan 6 2017 22:42 utc | 68

I agree with b's and everyone elses thoughts here, but I think everyone is missing a bigger part of the picture here in two significant ways.

FIRST, CrowdStrike was obviously paid by the DNC to publicly answer one single question: did Russia hack/access their servers. I'll just use 'hack' although that's not quite accurate as b points out. The DNC DID NOT pay Dmitri Alperovitch to list ALL the hacks publicly and offer conclusions on who ALL those parties were. Didn't anyone catch that in the odd way this was being reported?

Common sense would suggest that anyone with such amateurish security would be easily hacked by anyone with some tech skills and, say, a sixth-grade education. Now consider how many intelligence agencies of ANY country might be interested in intel on the U.S. elections. Now consider how many monied oligarchs and foreign potentates might be interested? So out of tens-of-thousands of interested parties and security like a sieve, we are to believe that there were only TWO successful hacks? Sorry, but that defies all logic. There were probably hundreds of hacks and gigabytes of data siphoned off those servers for months to hundreds of interesting places. CrowdStrike would not have even been able to detect a lot of them if they were sophisticated hacks by state actors. If I missed somewhere where CrowdStrike claimed there were exactly and only two successful hacks discovered, then they're proffering an outlandish lie. I'm pretty sure they weasel-worded their way around making that claim and the MSM picked up the slack by reporting it AS IF that claim was made (= fake newz to support a narrative).

There's a reason the DNC wanted CrowdStrike to look at the servers and not the FBI: the FBI would have found (and might have revealed) the hundreds of other hacks and many 'interesting places' receiving their siphoned data. Maybe DNC leaders were spying on each other and they didn't care to have the FBI know. In any case, the DNC controlling the security team means the DNC controls what is made public. And the ONLY thing the DNC wanted to revealed to the public is the possibility of Russian hacking. Now, CrowdStrike's conclusion is laughable and that alone is reason to dismiss the whole affair as propaganda, but why isn't anyone questioning the unusually limited findings?

SECOND, I'll throw a monkey wrench into this whole discussion (bear with me): Russians are pretty smart and they pay lots of people (just like we do) to look for interesting bits of information on foreign computers that might be useful to the Russian Federation. Considering the security situation, I would think they would have and probably DID siphon off emails and all kinds of other information from the DNC servers. [yawn..] In fact, I would be pretty surprised if they didn't. What doesn't necessarily follow is that they tried to influence the elections by giving those emails to WikiLeaks. How about the possibility that Russia DID grab the emails for internal consumption, and - quite independently - some disgruntled DNC staffer filled a flash drive with the emails and gave that to WikiLeaks? The intel agencies and administration seem desperate to make this an either/or proposition. I find no difficulty believing the Russians (and Chinese and Israelis and Wal*Mart) had a copy of the DNC emails for their own perusal, but it was an insider leaked them to WikiLeaks.

If you were head of the DNC and outraged about the release, what narrative would you rather push: a disgruntled DNC staffer leaked them to inform the public, or that damn evil Russia did to influence the election?

So... 1) Many parties probably grabbed the emails if it was that easy - the DNC obviously isn't going to admit that, and 2) Russia was one of them but just kept them to themselves - the leak was an inside job that the DNC also doesn't want to admit.

DNC playing the victim card and blaming Russia covers up the massive fail this was for them and (most importantly) distracts the sheeple from considering the damning truth of the WikiLeaks material.

I don't think either reason is working out like they hoped. Goebbels:Fail.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Jan 6 2017 22:45 utc | 69


Россия — священная наша держава,
Россия — любимая наша страна.
Могучая воля, великая слава —
кто заботится, динь дон, ведьма мертва!

Posted by: chipnik | Jan 6 2017 22:58 utc | 70

@Michael | Jan 6, 2017 4:50:32 PM | 54

"...Trump is a self serving business man and sees a profitable outcome .....Secretary of State, the CEO of Exxon...."

That was my secondary fear not voting Trump but more frightening skips Russia but start war with China after elected.

OJS -> The Original Jack Smith

Posted by: OJS | Jan 6 2017 23:00 utc | 71

PavewayIV | Jan 6, 2017 5:45:29 PM | 69

The primary problem I have with this line of thinking is the lack of a hard trail reported by the NSA on data moved between IP addresses. They may have such information, but thus far they are not talking.

Posted by: Michael | Jan 6 2017 23:11 utc | 72

I did try but the donate form did not give me the option to send £10. I do not want to send $10. I want to send £10. I don't normally do Euros nor US Dollars. I do UK Pounds.

My keyboard does not have a Euro symbol, and I am not impressed with the EU.

Thanks - Don't upgrade it for me - it was only a Tenner I wanted to send.

I do do sums - but that ain't the point.


Posted by: Tony_0pmoc | Jan 6 2017 23:19 utc | 73

@69 paveway.. good break down to which i agree with.. frankly i see it all as bs, so am less inclined to bother with the details. thanks either way.

lets not forget clinton during her election campaign was busy bad mouthing russia regularly, (as was obama) and telling everyone how trump was in bed with russia.. the dnc have been warmongering on russia since the time of the election campaign.. all this after the election news is just a continuation, minus the fact the war parties chosen rep - clinton - didn't make it past the finish line. now how is the war party and wall st going to get the money flowing? i am sure they will find a way, but it won't be with the war queen hillary rubber stamping their agenda..

Posted by: james | Jan 6 2017 23:23 utc | 74


That premise of yours assumes, falsely, a Two-Party State. Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld did arms deals with Saddam right up until Let's Roll. I'm sure Obama-Clinton-Paneda did arms deals with Ghaddafi right up until, 'We came, we saw, he died.' And the Jewish Defense League has committed acts of terror against Russian ambassadors to the US and UN for decades, while at the same time, former Soviet Jews took over Israel. It's a crazy fucking world.

Trump has to mollify all sides while lining his crony's pockets, the international oil cartels fighting over the EU oil/gas distribution franchise, the US/UK oil industry desperate to spike the price of WTI/NS, the international banking community credit-debt profiteers, looking to dump their upside-down fracking positions into some new public oil depletion allowance scam, and, of course, the NOVA-Pentagon war profiteers who see 'Russia Hacking' as their European theater version of 'Pivot to Asia' for the largest arms buildup in human history, ...and all happening right now, while Emerald City and GOT binge-glazes our eyes shut.

If Assange and The Kid has taught us ANYTHING, it's that we are Just Their Sheep, and the One Party of Mil.Gov.Fed.Biz uses our $3,400,000,000,000 annual blood tithe for their own salaries, benefits and pensions, while they're busy insider trading on their privatizing legislation, and heat-seeking for any other bicycling opportunities to claw public treasury funds from, including SS/MC trust funds and pension funds, then drop them into their private anonymous offshore bank vaults. Trump et al included.

Look around you! Look at the world news, all the bankrupt nations, 100,000,000s at risk of starvation and penury and blood-letting! We are CIRCLING THE TOILET DRAIN. Glug, glug, glug! I ... drink... your ... milkshake!! And in 99 more days, that One Party Pharoahocracy will be kicking our doors down for the next tranche of $3,400,000,000,000 to fuel their golden chariots.

Posted by: chipnik | Jan 6 2017 23:24 utc | 75

The goal of the anti-Trump and pro-interventionist (as regards foreign policy) faction of the US elite is now to paralyze his presidency as much as possible. Some quarters even claim they are considering eliminating him and that this is one reason Melania will not be resident in the white house much.

I feel we are going to see unprecedented socio-political civil war in the US which will really shock the psyche of the average American and lead to disillusionment not just with how dysfunctional their political system is but with their country as a whole. Society will become quite polarized. Social media whereby Occupy Democrats have 4.8 million followers on their facebook giving a very propagandized account of events and inciting hatred, will have a very negative impact on everything.

Will Trump survive? Will he be impeached? Will he be rendered incapable of governing due to constant warfare against him from the media, the professional urban middle class, the universities and their young students who - like Black Lives Matter - can cause huge disruption?

I have no idea.

One thing is for sure however that this socio-political civil war benefits US rivals, China and Russia and detracts the US from its ability to bully the rest of the world.

Posted by: Muslim Dude | Jan 6 2017 23:40 utc | 76

It is serious. Fake MSM news now doubles down on paranoia, blaming Putin for trying and failing to rig US elections for Trump and hence NUCLEAR WAR is the answer so DemRep shrink choir sings.

SOMEBODY CALL 911!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maniacs are on loose.

Posted by: Kalen | Jan 6 2017 23:47 utc | 77

With respect to the study of post WW11 primary source data at odds with the OCT 'official account.'
Without 'Revisionism,’ [it could equally be called ‘rationalism’] - ’official' claims, such as this present ‘Russian-hacking' psyop, become 'the official History’. Another lie set into the literature.
Falsity created on purpose to deceive.
'Revisionists,' for want of a better term, contest the Historic narrative with on-going data finds. They Search and Research and produce the anomalies and break or add to the block-chain of ‘learned’ history ; So 'plus minus' [empirical] maths is very important in establishing forensic truth. Proper research without fear nor favour, is basic to establishing forensic truth. To argue against it without researching the evidence basis of it is anti-science. 911. The gigantic myth of 911 is a classic case in point. Contested by ‘revisiting' and ‘revising’ and ‘contextualising’ primary source evidence and data and peer-reviewing the record - questioning OCT History - crack’d the code to the great lie. Unfortunately, cracking that code leads to others.
To argue those reviewing WWII data are somehow ‘fascist,’ is, like everything else in the control pathways of massive deception, the pot calling the kettle black.

Posted by: rm | Jan 7 2017 0:04 utc | 78

Outraged | Jan 6, 2017 12:03:00 PM | 12

I agree with Kenny @ 9 and (much of) subsequent comments.

More than that, the complicity of a significant (in the sense of being highly placed and able to frame policy) number of zionists, financiers and Anglophiles around Wilson & FDR are largely responsible for WWI and WWII,

Three points:

1. The character of the Electoral College map, the Reds and Blues, seriously upset an advantage zionists cultivated and have enjoyed since Woodrow Wilson's administration, that was dramatically intensified by Benzion Netanyahu, Bibi's father, in 1940, when he played Dems (already Jewish-friendly territory) against Republicans and caused both parties to include in their platform, from that election and ever after, endorsement of "a state for the Jewish people in Palestine." I don't think any other foreign state/ ethnic group in USA has made such a demand, or sustained it for so long.

2. Bradford Westerfield was Dick Cheney's favorite professor at Yale (before Cheney dropped out). Westerfield wrote the textbook that Cheney likely used: "Foreign Policy and Party Politics," written in ~1953. In his discussion of zionism Westerfield explained that "well-financed, organized, and zealous Jews" enjoyed two main advantages: they took advantage of winner-take-all voting in key states, where Jews were numerous, and by that means could control national elections. He named several of the states, which included Pennsylvania & Florida, as well as NY and Calif. Losing Pennsylvania and FL was yuuuge; Trump fractured a 60-plus year old system. Jews still control Calif and NY, but the loss of electoral college dominance must have stung, badly. (Look for doubled-down efforts to regain control in PA at least, and maybe FL (which was a surprise, frankly).

The second advantage "zealous zionists" enjoyed was the fact that no other group, of similar determination, wealth and organization, existed that was willing to counter them.
The Catholic church rose to some power in the post-war years and did have the organizational heft to go toe-to-toe with zionist/Jewish organizations, but zionists were able to shorten that tenure by sundry means, not least the seduction of the Moral Majority/evnagelicals to the zionist cause; the use of Hollywood and other media levers; battering the Church with the pedophilia charge; pop music, pop culture and pop psychology.
That advantage -- dominance of so many institutions means of influencing the masses -- remains in zionist hands, imo, but there are challengers -- like this blog.

3. imo zionists are stuck in a rut: they have been pushing the same narrative for almost a century; they don't have any fresh material or new ideas, or the capacity for introspection. This 03 Jan 2017 article in Foreign Policy Journal Donald Trump: Making the World Safe for Dictators
For 100 years, the United States has championed democracies around the world. Trump is about to undo this pillar of American security and decency.
makes that point crystal clear: James Traub is still pushing Woodrow Wilson -- Franklin Roosevelt narratives -- zionist rode those horses to dominance over US foreign affairs and it's the only ride they've got left in the stable -- or out to pasture.

Russia have moved on -- rather, Russia is advancing its Russian self, having shed, at great pain and cost, the alien imposition of Bolshevic Communism.
Paul Robinson, the Canadian author of this article about Putin's Russia and why that quest for national identity should be respected, is very much in line with Flynt Leverett's thoughts on why the USA would do well to engage with the Islamic Republic of Iran, as it is and not with ambitions to "westernize" or secularize revolutionary Iran.

China's One Belt One Road project presages a new era of non-ideologically driven cooperative nation-with-nation trade and development
that seems to me to comport with George Washington's counsels in his Farewell address.

There ARE new and brighter and more peace-promoting visions afoot. Zionists are so accustomed to seeing and hearing their own visions and voices that they are incapable of recognizing that they are no longer relevant. (That doesn't mean that they are not still dangerous -- such delusions die hard).

Let's hope educators like Robinson and Leverett can reach enough young people who are willing to bring to birth new and fresh ideas and overwhelm the decaying zionist ideologues.

Posted by: Croesus | Jan 7 2017 0:15 utc | 79

This is this afternoon from Naked Capitalism: NATO trains 14km long is headed toward Eastern Europe, loaded with tanks. Anybody see a connection? I really do not need this.

Posted by: Michael | Jan 7 2017 0:26 utc | 80

Kenny | Jan 6, 2017 4:13:20 PM | 47

"If the fact that Judea declared war on Germany in 1933 is an "insult to millions of Jews" (your quote) then what becomes clear is that the truth is an insult to millions of Jews. And we know this is true because your tribe keeps trying to hide what they did to Jesus."
B, this antisemitic rubbish does not belong here. Okay, I do not want to bare it, but I think its important for the reputation of this blog to react. Please do it.
By the way, I'm not a Jew and I'm extremely critic of the actual government of Israel, which in many ways has a resemblance to fascism. But to accuse the Jews to be responsible for WWII is unbearable. (Not to mention "what they did to Jesus"; possibly the oldest antisemitic slur in existence.)

Posted by: Pnyx | Jan 7 2017 0:33 utc | 81

Michael @80

NATO has sent 87 tanks plus a couple of hundred APC-type vehcles. Russia has 3000+ T-90s. I don't think they will be concerned.

Posted by: Yonatan | Jan 7 2017 0:34 utc | 82

Pnyx @81

Ah, how cute, a concern troll.

Posted by: Yonatan | Jan 7 2017 0:40 utc | 83

re: Brad Westerfield and Cheney

Cheney loved Westerfield, and that was an embarrassment for Westerfield.

“I do not agree with his worldview today,” says the professor. “I’m not even sure I understand it. He is so at odds with what we know about the world today. Unfortunately, I think it is clear that Bush is quite dependent on him. He prefers a backroom role, but he is obviously very influential."

I took Westerfield's course on foreign affairs, got to know him, continued the acquaintance when I worked in DC. He wrote a recommendation for me to grad school. His views on the role of USA in foreign affairs changed completely as a result of the disastrous Viet Nam war.
I also knew Cheney (slightly)at Yale, he played poker at my table, not very well. John Negroponte took all his money, which was not very much. Cheney pledged to DKE and tried to emulate Mike Pyle's style, but could not fill out his white t-shirt. He drank a lot, flunked out, went home and came back, and flunked out again.
Cheney certainly became a successful powerful man.
And he seems to enjoy shooting little birds that others have raised and set out to be shot by rich/powerful shooters.
Smart, but not wise.

Posted by: mauisurfer | Jan 7 2017 0:46 utc | 84

@ Croesus | Jan 6, 2017 7:15:22 PM | 79

Qouting out of context phrases and links that do NOT support your meandering delusions and false assertions about it all being the joos, all the time, everywhere, everything is patently puerile ... few at MOA would fall for your NONSENSE! even temporarily.


Go get a life and an honest ethical form of sustenance, heh ?

The other IDs using the same techniques and variations ARE ALSO TROLLS. These type of TROLL posts always appear whenever MOA has touched down and kicked a field goal so as to flood the thread.

This long known strategy and technique is designed to confuse & confront non-regulars and brief visitors and also to create OFFENSIVE INANE DISSEMBLING IRRATIONAL and/or ILLOGICAL NON_FACTUAL SHIT throughout the site that can be referenced and linked to on searches to seek to justify the #ProPornOT and their predecessors demonization deligitamization slanders against effective voices/sites. A modern online derivative of more traditional COINTELPRO techniques.

For anyone who's uncertain or in doubt, especially the non/less-technical, re the likes of Kenny, Croesus, Circe, et al and any other unfamiliar or confronting/dissembling user IDs whenever they post ... simply plug the following (or more advanced) into a google search (keyword/s are optional): "Posted by: [poster ID]" keyword/s

Example: "Posted by: croesus" +jews +zionist

A brief review and superficial analysis will confirm, as in the example, a ONE TRICK PONY, and especially consistent and persistent TROLL and possibly other insights ...

I shit you Not! ;)

Apologies for the shouting ...

-= Don't feed the Trolls =-

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 7 2017 1:13 utc | 85


Posted by: Lozion | Jan 7 2017 1:21 utc | 86

Followup to @85, also helps with identifying suspected ID hijacks ... re out of character, stylometry.

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 7 2017 1:22 utc | 87

Trump acknowlege that hacking is a very common problem and that he will take care of that in priority. In a way he is putting the blame not on the Russians or the hackers but on the Obama administration that did little to prevent it.
It seems 'carelessness' on security was all over the DNC, primary Hillary. Obviously the FBI and the National security did a lousy job in not imposing strict regulations on cybersecurity in the administration.
Finally the team that were so proud to show that they knew who did the hacking came out feeling guilty of having done nothing to prevent it. If they are still on board that will be their first priority mission.
Good job Donald!

Posted by: virgile | Jan 7 2017 1:24 utc | 88

@juliania #6:

Sorry, I meant Christmas Eve of course. Got carried away.

LOL. Merry Christmas!

@Hoarsewhisperer #17:

...from the final par of b's post brought a tear to my eye, thinking of the self-sacrificing Dedication required to wade (painstakingly) through all that dross, drivel and horseshit merely to confirm to Moonkind what we all suspected from the beginning. i.e. that the reports were nothing more than a long-winded collection of fact-free dross, drivel and horseshit.
Much appreciated, b.


Is it my imagination, or is there a new troll infestation here?

Posted by: Adalbrand | Jan 7 2017 1:30 utc | 89

s @ 45

Clinton didn't win the election. The election was for delegates to the Electoral College and Clinton lost that. I've been wondering whether her running up her vote total in California and elsewhere, where it would make no difference to the outcome, was deliberate, to enable the "popular vote" argument.

Posted by: mudduck | Jan 7 2017 1:43 utc | 90

mudduck @46

In 2000 Gore won the Popular Vote

Popular vote Bu$h II 50,456,002 Gore 50,999,897

Of course there was the matter of Florida votes not being counted per USSC.

Posted by: ALberto | Jan 7 2017 1:59 utc | 91

@ b

Oh, b! only just now followed your link to youtube.


Perfection. Even the punchline re NYT fits this farce we live ... genius from Kubrick & Sellers ... what a FULL STOP exclamation mark! to your whole piece.

Grew up with the Dr Strangelove film ... an endlessly re-watchable masterpiece.

Political Trivia: Kubrick intentionally tricked/deceived George C Scott to do pre-take rehearsals of his scenes, encouraging him to go totally over the top, way over, to 'rev himself up' ... unbeknown to Scott, Kubrick purposely, actually used all of them instead (Scott's scene rehearhals), NOT the scenes Scott acted and was led to believe/thought, were his 'real' scenes ... when Scott eventually found out upon theatrical release, he was not amused, to say the least (went against his politics and traditional roles, ie Patton(film))

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 7 2017 2:19 utc | 92

The IC have been sexing up another dossier - the annex to the report dates back t 2012. How prescient of the Russians to start their campaign to elect Trump four years ago.

Posted by: Ghostship | Jan 7 2017 2:20 utc | 93

@79 croesus.. first off you agree with kenny @9.. as outraged pointed out @24 - kenny is a troll.. i agree with that assessment and the one he makes @85 too.. anyone who comes and immediately starts yammering on about jews on a thread topic about 'evidence on russia hacking' is clearly going off script pretty fast.. and that is all kenny has yammered on about since.. now you come along and agree with kenny.. great!

regarding that title from foreign policy journal - "Donald Trump: Making the World Safe for Dictators
For 100 years, the United States has championed democracies around the world. Trump is about to undo this pillar of American security and decency." is a joke right???? who in their right mind would even bother with a link and title with those outright lies??

Posted by: james | Jan 7 2017 2:29 utc | 94


I recognise an old troll "acquaintance" (opmoc) from my days on alternet. The donation is a clever gambit to get an email address, for example. Perhaps hence the small amount?

Opmoc and company showed up around the time of Obama's early information control operations, around 2009ish, allegedly to shut down the truthers, but more generally to shut down investigations by leftists---a number of trolls pretended to be truthers (I'm not, but I respect a number of actual truthers...). Cases in point include Rwanda, Yugoslavia and US support for AQ (keep in mind that Hersh's revelations were still relatively new at the time). If Guitarbill and Princeofwhales show up, we'll have all the old sponsored opposition present.

Posted by: Johan Meyer | Jan 7 2017 2:32 utc | 95

Yonatan | Jan 6, 2017 7:40:02 PM | 83

Beg you pardon? Do you think antisemitism is ok? And what about women, blacks, muslims, christians, alright to insult too? And maybe redheads and poor people? Come on think twice next time before you give judgements.

Posted by: Pnyx | Jan 7 2017 2:48 utc | 96

@ Ghostship | Jan 6, 2017 9:20:39 PM | 93

Oh indeed. :)

Boris Badenov & Natasha Fatale (real live commie operatives, truly (incriminating surveilance footage)), Evil™ Russkies are probably working right this very moment on weaponizing a Time Machine or weaponizing Clairvoyants, to stay ahead of the decision cycle of the Empire! ... to see four years into the future ;)

From the Fallout 3 wiki (thanks for the idea, CNN):

Notable relevant quotes

"I was going to attend the clairvoyants meeting, but it was cancelled due to unforeseen events."

re The Intelligence reports, the whole farce really, and NYT (TRUTH!), CNN, Washington Post, et al

"Two cannibals are eating a clown. One cannibal turns to the other and asks, 'Does this taste funny to you?'" &,

"War does not determine who is right - only who is left."


The joke, "War does not determine who is right - only who is left." is a quote from Bertrand Russell.

The joke, "Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says, "Does this taste funny to you?"" is from famed comedian Tommy Cooper.

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 7 2017 2:48 utc | 97

Want proof that people (homo sapiens) are nasty, evil things?

Read the above posts. The 'high and mighty' postings prove that precious few deserve to exist.

Posted by: rg the lg | Jan 7 2017 3:26 utc | 98

"Here’s a small morsel for background purposes that shines a bit of new light on this mess – as they say, follow the money. It’s odd to learn Tim Geithner now Prez of Warburg Pincus, a private equity firm, invested $100M into CrowdStrike in July 2015 –

"What are the chances Obama’s former Sec’y of the Treasury would be tied to an equity firm that invested $100M into the very cybersecurity firm that is now at the center of accusing Russia of hacking the DNC?"
-h at emptywheel

Posted by: not h | Jan 7 2017 3:26 utc | 99

Rat bastard Obama just put the Brownshirts in charge of state elections.
It's for your protection.

In Stunning Last Minute Power Grab, Obama Designates Election Systems As "Critical Infrastructure"

Posted by: Perimetr | Jan 7 2017 3:39 utc | 100

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