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January 16, 2017

Libya - How U.S.-Russian Cooperation May (Re-)Unite The Country

By Richard Galustian

On January 20th Trump will be sworn in as President. US Foreign Policy will crystallize when the full cabinet is approved by the U.S. Congress. The Russians will try and make their moves on the world chess board during this transition period to further their interests.

As far as Libya is concerned will Russia’s now overt support for the LNA (Libyan National Army) and 74 years old General Khalifa Haftar, a former(?) CIA asset, cause a problem? The U.S. has up to now supported the UN installed GNA (Government of National Accord) which has little following in the country. Could Russia's LNA support put it at odds with the incoming Trump administration or will this be a welcome and calculated play from Trump's perspective?

Haftar and the LNA are also supported by Egypt and the United Arab Emirates. Last week Blackwater founder Erik Prince allegedly provided private mercenary pilots in armed agricultural aircraft to bomb Western Libya's Islamist extremists. Prince's mercenary air force is paid by the UAE. He is a brother Betsy DeVos, the U.S. president-elect Donald Trump’s nominee to be secretary of education.

What will change as a result in the complicated ground war in Libya between the various warring factions in south, east and west Libya?

What of ISIS relatively small presence in the Sirte and Sabratha regions?

What of the tentative potential thawing of US/Russia relations put on edge by last week's inevitably doubtful allegations of Trump's being blackmailed by Russia.

The first three months following the inauguration will be the most telling.

Until then, let us hazard a guess as to what will unfold:

One indication is certain. Washington interests now favor a military solution to the quagmire in Libya that involves Khalifa Hafter who would become part of some sort of leadership coalition or council. But that does not mean that it would favor the mercurial Haftar. He is not pliable enough to be a reliable (U.S. proxy-)leader. Serious Libyan commentators agree that talks now must include all ground players, even former Gaddafi officials, if the country is to be united.

However, the eradication of ISIS in Libya is still paramount. That joint desire could put America and Russia on the same side in Libya.

Russia has shown her strong willingness to support Hafter on two recent occasions; at the Moscow foreign ministry in mid December, and again, last week when Hafter was helicoptered to the neutral waters of the Mediterranean Sea, outside Libyan territorial boundaries, by Russian military, for a video conference call with Moscow's senior officials on board a Russian Warship. This behavior indicates a clear willingness to support Hafter's Libyan National Army, as the legitimate military force of the elected Parliament, the House of Representatives (HOR) in Tobruk. For some it's even indicative of Russian support to Hafter with or without the HOR's backing.

Signs now seem to indicate an imminent military attempt by the LNA and Hafter to move West and take Tripoli.

Russia’s rationale for involvement was summarized by Foreign Minister Lavrov’s categorical statement on December 2 that it “does not want Libya to end up like Syria, as a failed state.”

But the motivation undoubtedly is one of self-interest. As with Syria, Russia sees an opportunity to gain new increased and important influence in an Arab state and I judge that this is better achieved before President Trump takes the full reigns of power; out trumping Trump so to speak. That's why I think internal fighting in Libya will escalate very soon.

Obama’s self professed greatest foreign policy mistake in office was the failure to quell the post-revolution chaos in Libya. What better way for Trump to truly legitimize his position and silence the naysayers than strategically achieving peace in Libya and an end to ISIS's influence in Libya via a Russian alliance?

It is no secret Trump has announced his desire to cooperate with Putin, and he actually may view Russia’s very public support of Hafter as an asset rather than a liability, securing the region, making an unlikely ally and increasing the popularity of his administration in one stroke.

This position assumes that the West will abandon its failed attempt to shore up the UN’s puppet government (GNA). It and its leader Serraj are viewed as wholly illegitimate and inept by the country's populace. It is time for EU/UN diplomats and politicians to recognize this as so and adapt to change and quickly.

Russian made helicopters and arms were delivered to LNA indirectly and covertly via Russia's ally's the UAE and Egypt and they proved crucial in repelling attacks by militias at the key central oil ports, seized by LNA in September 2016.

Earlier this month, Russia publicly supported lifting the UN arms embargo. The West up until recently only wanted the embargo lifted for GNA militias. Presumably, if Western Powers attempted to lift sanctions for only the GNA, Russia’s UNSC vote would be "Njet."

Therefore the LNA would appear to be the only entity that will be supported by the international community including Russia.

On the other hand another critical factor is Oil. Russia has an option of buying directly from Cyrenaica, (the historic entity of what is now east Libya), challenging western powers to intercept its tankers. A potential superpower flashpoint.

Cyrenica also wants its own flag as well as a new national anthem. This would in my opinion certainly lead to Libya becoming two (or three) separate countries, east and west (and south) Libya. This would follow historic precedence back to the former Greek and Roman provinces.

Structural and mismanagement issues remain and heighten internal tensions. For example GECOL (General Electricity Company of Libya) has all but collapsed as has electricity to the entire country, Combined with water distribution shortages and an unusually intense cold spell, the people's patience is at an end. The country could now completed dissolve and fall into even deeper chaos.

A wild card remains - the US to drop support for the GNA in its current form and shift it to the LNA making it the undoubtedly strongest force in the country.

US good relations with Putin and Moscow could well see Russia gaining a chunk of influence in Libya at presumably the expense of the Italians and British with the French seemingly solely interested in southern Libya.

All will be clear very soon as, I believe, internal fighting will escalate considerably. A peaceful negotiated settlement between the warring Libyan parties seems now very remote.

Posted by b on January 16, 2017 at 10:27 UTC | Permalink


As a True American Patriot (TM) all I know about Libya is BENGHAZI!!! and that Hillary killed people there and got away with it...

Posted by: ralphieboy | Jan 16 2017 10:54 utc | 1

Are there any good sources for day to day new from Libya, I see your post only contains one link

Posted by: Cresty | Jan 16 2017 10:55 utc | 2

It's not gonna happen. The Western hypocrites want to loot the Libyan corpse (which had created) for their corporate monsters. They wanted Russia and China out of Libya.

Posted by: nmb | Jan 16 2017 11:12 utc | 3

@ Cresty 2

Look under the Title. b, has republished the above article, By Richard Galustian, for anyone interested in discussion/debate/research. Probably 'cause of the recent 'US all the time', overload, at a guess ;)


Posted by: Outraged | Jan 16 2017 11:36 utc | 4

So it was attempted BLACK MAIL!,the content may be fake or not just as,Crimea,Syria,evil putin etcetera.The knives are out but who owns the soon to be POTUS and who owns 'covert international agency, head?Americans are dump enough not to know i live in interesting times:-)

Posted by: Nur Adlina | Jan 16 2017 11:36 utc | 5

What of ISIS relatively small presence in the Sirte and Sabratha regions?

ISIS is a tool created by the Mossad and CIA to destroy Syria and Iraq. Their ultimate goal is an independent Kurdistan (a client-state for Israel). Libya is not so important. ISIS = ISrael. Kurdish forces can always easy beat ISIS, they use ISIS as an excuse to gain territories, to do ethnic cleansing and it is obvious that Kurds and ISIS have the same patrons and handlers.

Posted by: for m | Jan 16 2017 11:41 utc | 6

It sounds that you feel outraged that a thread on something else than the US appears.
You are not answering Cresty's questions. He is asking if there is an equivalent of daeshdaily for Libya (by the way: has a section on Libya when significant events happen, also ahramenglish has articles on Libya at least 2-3 times a week).
B has already posted articles by Galustian several times.

Posted by: Mina | Jan 16 2017 11:45 utc | 7

@ Mina 7

No, no, no, not at all :)

Was an attempt to explain to cresty why there was only one link (within the post), which is not b's style/delivery. And also /depreciating/denigrating/laughing at, ALL the US coverage ;)

The more the merrier, and am interested in this topic/detail also.


Posted by: Outraged | Jan 16 2017 12:05 utc | 8

Has anyone asked what does the Libyan public and whether Libyan people themselves want to see their country divided into separate states? Just because these states would restore the historical Tripolitania, Cyrenaica and Fezzan regions does not necessarily mean that Libyans want them or that those states would be in their best interests.

Where does Saif al Islam Gaddafi fit into these plans? Doesn't he still have a significant following?

Posted by: Jen | Jan 16 2017 12:06 utc | 9

Obama, clintion,and the Zionists destroyed Libya. Kill 10's of thousands. Destroy the country. Attempted to blow up the most advanced irrigation system that brought water to the people...where is their 144 tons of gold. Gold that would have backed a new currency for Africa. The evil that men and women do!

Posted by: charles | Jan 16 2017 12:17 utc | 10

So do we think that "blackwater" "academi" etc etc will be Trump's secret service replacement? Or is betsy just a bridle?

Posted by: norma lacy | Jan 16 2017 12:42 utc | 11

Correction: Russia’s rationale for involvement was summarized by Foreign Minister Lavrov’s categorical statement on December 2 that it “does not want Libya to end up like Syria, as a failed state.”

I believe b intended to write that Russia "does not want Syria to end up like Libya, as a failed state."

Posted by: Steve | Jan 16 2017 12:50 utc | 12

It is worth going back and re-reading Galustian's earlier piece to see what has changed since then in connection with Russia's now open move into Libya. The biggest change seems to be the Russia/Erdogan where Russia is in a much stronger negotiating position with Erdogan. Some very well thought out and complicated/complex moves occuring.
...Libya is a strategic asset. It holds the largest oil reserves in Africa and has more than $100 billion in foreign assets and cash. The oil is light and sweet, placing it in the top four percent of world premium oil. It remains a strategic prize. Libya has also many other minerals that have yet to be exploited.

Libya Dawn’s Muslim Brotherhood component has seen it attract support and weapons from principally Turkey while Egypt and UAE do the same for the House of Representatives (HoR) and its rather maverick but popular commander Gen. Khalifa Haftar. This popularity is understated by the mainstream western media.

The GNA plan is led less by the UN than by the U.S. State Department and the UK Foreign Office. Both believe it is strategically important to ensure the Brotherhood retains a position in North Africa, after it - Morsi and Co - was replaced by force in Egypt as well as losing elections in Tunisia. The American and the British, this author maintains, are mistaken and that it is a gross error on both their parts.

Never forget that the mercurial, some say insane, leader of Turkey is the worlds only Muslim Brotherhood governed country.....

Posted by: Peter AU | Jan 16 2017 12:53 utc | 13

Really? Galustian, Putin, b, Hafter, Prince, Russia's Mediterranean fleet, ISIS, et various al. got together to co-ordinate some impending military actions in Libya, simply as a diversion for some arbitrary blog readers on a blog somewhere?

(Sometimes, if there's no useful response to a request for advice, it's "probably" better not to bother providing it.)

Posted by: Petra | Jan 16 2017 13:04 utc | 14

Balkanisatin and ethnic cleansing are always a bad thing, stealing people's common treasury and forcing them to choose artificial identities.

Jen, when do people ever get "asked" about balkanisation? We know, for instance, that Yugoslavia's break-up was several years in the planning (in DC) and had nothing at all to do with people's wishes. We know, similarly, the precipitously hasty breakaway of the three Baltic soviet repulics was similarly triggered by external forces. Sudan/SSudan? Similarly a DC "project" involving sinophobia, oilfields, the Darfur operation, backroom deals anddeals and blackmail of Bashir (and look at the mess that has resulted). And so on and on and on.

Posted by: Petra | Jan 16 2017 13:14 utc | 15

Trump fomenting war with Iran and China does't bode well for any warming with Russia.

Posted by: paul | Jan 16 2017 13:30 utc | 16

Re: b's offering: “post-revolution chaos in Libya”.

It was not a revolution. It was an orchestrated foreign intervention, with preparatory subterfuge, foreign mercenaries, a UN SC no-fly zone declared on the basis of lurid lies, followed by a massive bombing of the country by NATO, and the murder of the remarkable architect of the Libyan success story.

A lovely successful country was turned into hell on earth, as per the disclosure of Wesley Clark that Libya was on 'the list' for regime change.

Libya's gold was then duly stolen, and its independent national bank transmuted into part of the global banking criminal network. Libya's musings on setting up a beneficent pan-African alternative to the IMF financial weapons of mass financial destructive indebtedness was still born.

Useful and credible source of information on Libya imo is:

Posted by: canuck | Jan 16 2017 13:46 utc | 17

Thanks for the Libyan consideration. Until now, it was thought Trump would ally with Putin for action in Syria. Libya has not been in the US media since its destruction. The three governments, militias, al Qaeda, ISIS, and the rest are not discussed. As with Iraq, Americans should be outraged. Nowadays, the press doesn't push so much for support like in Iraq but more to prevent opposition to the war agenda. Canuck is right; Libya was done just like Syria with what TIME/Hillary called "soft power." And oil deals were among the first ones signed by the NTC. And dont' forget the assets. I wonder where all that gold went as well as the investments/holdings. It's bad enough our govt sided with Goldman Sachs and their swindle of Libya.

See also:
Slouching Towards Sirte
The Illegal War on Libya
Destroying Libya and World Order

Posted by: Curtis | Jan 16 2017 14:01 utc | 18

is ayesha gaddafi that irrelevant, for not even mention her ? for libya's future ? and what about saïf al-islam ? irrelevant too ? we'll see.

Posted by: alain | Jan 16 2017 14:13 utc | 19

Libya is a tragic sidestory to a Syria.
Betrayed by Sarkozi and France, Ghadaffi dead, US & UK undermining and plundering, while refugee boats were sinking in Italian waters, was left to be divided by same remote power(s) of no historical or cultural links or for that matter a knowledge to succeed in the bending to a transition and not to end up in the chaos.

In the meantime the Syrian war was starting off, in Ukraine as well as Egyptian turmoil goes on. Just now in the rewind we can understand the intesity of events that took place almost at the same time.

What better place and the time to render EU incompetent, block Russia and prepare the theatar, make space and open the door to ISIS as an entry stage to Syria?

Result was very few pros and many, many cons on all levels, so it is perceived as yet another mistake by IC/USA/UK and some partners coalition.

It was the easiest to conquer, so it should be easy to rebuild it.
Suggestion: Just go. Leave. And also leave the oil and gold behind, please.

Posted by: laserlurk_remote | Jan 16 2017 16:26 utc | 20

it's kinda funny how some of these isis franchises seem to have the druthers for ancient Roman theatres. remember Palmyra?

theatrical flair?

no doubt the enhanced acoustic dynamism of executions and edicts read and whatnot isn't lost on them.

onto Leptis Magna.

Posted by: john | Jan 16 2017 16:39 utc | 21

Sidebar: Media Watch.

CNN published a R. Galustian pov. Heh.

20th-century world order doesn't meet today's challenges — by Richard Galustian. Jan 14, 2017.

— Not at the top, which features a vid. with sleaze Amanpour, but lower down. (for me on 16 jan.)


A coalition between the United States, Russia and Great Britain would be an incredibly powerful military alliance. If this tripartite partnership is combined with sensible and ethical changes in US and UK foreign policy toward Syria, Yemen, Afghanistan, Libya and importantly Iran, 2017 could see the beginning of the end of the global terror threat of ISIS.

Posted by: Noirette | Jan 16 2017 17:04 utc | 22

@Noirette | Jan 16, 2017 12:04:24 PM | 22

Thanks I'm watching the vid now. :-)

Posted by: OJS | Jan 16 2017 17:19 utc | 23

As a payback below NBC interviewed Dmitry Peskov.
Peskov is good crisp and concise Eng replied to all questions, enjoy!

Posted by: OJS | Jan 16 2017 17:25 utc | 24

thanks richard.. i appreciate these updates..

your quote "This position assumes that the West will abandon its failed attempt to shore up the UN’s puppet government (GNA). It and its leader Serraj are viewed as wholly illegitimate and inept by the country's populace. It is time for EU/UN diplomats and politicians to recognize this as so and adapt to change and quickly."

this is a very big assumption. if the name of the game is selling more weaponry while gutting out whatever is available to be had in libya, then the ongoing antagonism between russia and the usa is a given. i think this also is in part explained by the attempt to run trump off the road as we head to the jan. 20th date.. so, perhaps after jan. 20th we will indeed quickly see what is in store for libya..

i like @13 peter au's comments.. thanks peter.. turkeys role is a critical part to all this, as it has been in syria..

Posted by: james | Jan 16 2017 17:39 utc | 25

Why would Russia be interested in _buying_ oil? Seems to me that if Libyan oil is part of their rationale at all, it's in the form of profiting from getting that industry up and running again in Libya. That might even be a way of re-gaining access to Western hardware and technology, thereby bypassing the sanctions that are in place. Don't know if Russia would even need Western-made seamless pipes at all, though.

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Jan 16 2017 17:56 utc | 26


You want clairvoyance? I'll give you clairvoyance!

With Trump's Goldman Shower Cabinet now engulfing OMB and OEC, the USAryan economic front goes Opaque, 'Everything is Go for DOW 36,000!!' and blog Zero Hedge will be forced to hire former Defense analyst Tealiban as their chicken bone prognosticators.

With DeVos pushing education-for-profit, Pearson will experience a brief surge on NYSE, then plummet as it's replaced by low-quality offerings written in Modi-land, printed in Ma factories, pimped through Bezos Amazone, and dropped in shrink-wrapped bales of comic book formats from converted cargo planes owned by Echo Papa's FSG. We're talkin' moar profit heah!

Speaking of moar profit, the Pentagon under Mattis will find the missing $6 TRILLION gone MIA floating offshore in a giant ping pong ball at a cost to taxpayers of $250,000 a day (the other $1B ship-based SPX remains in permanent drydock after failing its initial sea trials, moar R&D!).

DHS General Kelley will hit Tango Beach with a half-$TRILLION FEDo bucks to IDIQNB Trump$s Zook business pals with The Wall 'Scheme', but it won't get any farther than Governor Brown's Hyperloop before it gets pinned down by naysayer machine-gunners, at which point Congress will invoke the Can't Say Anything Bad About Zook's Act, and nuke the free internet blogs.

After that, as Israeli's really just want 'Peace and Quiet',(and Jerusalem) things will move smoothly along that, with $10,000,000,000,000 in new fiat credit-debt, and proliferation of Little Gold Book private nursery schools, so that all future DHS programs will revolve around putting single-parent families back to work, privatizing highways, military and government facilities, national parks and national forests under the new public-private Lend-Lease Program, where USAryans lends their SS and MC trust funds to shell companies run by former One Party apparatchiks, then lease-back those facilities and resources with body organ DNA punctures from their grandchildren, to grow 3D scaffolded replacement body parts for the Monarchs.

It will be so cool! You'll see them, the Ubers, 240-year old surgical miracles, buzzing around in their 24k gold clad armor plated Amazone-automated Uber limos, with the Twitter antenna, punching out ear-blasting 140-letter hypersonic tweets, "get back to work get back to work get back to work what are we paying you for do we need to tell you again?"

The future can all be encapsulated in a single sentence:

"We won, you lost. It's just business, get over it! Now get back to work!"

Posted by: chipnik | Jan 16 2017 18:00 utc | 27

Haftar and others visited the Admiral Kuznetsov for an anti-terroism briefing. Caution - cheesy national anthem alert.

The LNA just happens to have control of most of the oil fields and the GNA does not.

Posted by: Yonatan | Jan 16 2017 18:07 utc | 28

Steve@12 has an important correction to the article.

Tass has a piece on the Dec 2 meeting between Kerry and Lavrov entitled "Russian Top Diplomat Says Syria cannot repeat Libya's Fate"

This is very important to the thrust of the article b has posted, because Russia would be reluctant, I think, to enter the quagmire that is Libya today. Putin did take to heart the fate of Gaddafi as a stunning lesson in the collapse of a stable government that brought about the need for Russia to intervene in Syria. It is not at all clear there could be a similar intervention where Libya is concerned, though indeed a concerted diplomatic effort is probably a good thing.

I'd like to see the muscle applied of both powers to extract Saudi Arabia from poor little Yemen first. It mightn't be such a plum as Libya, but it certainly would be doable on the scale of doable things. Just get the weapons business sealed off, tamped down, whatever.

Posted by: juliania | Jan 16 2017 18:35 utc | 29

I wonder if this scramble for influence is a prelude to another neo-colonial alignment (per Noirette's link @22): the usual cynical Big Powers kind of hookup? However, it is clear that the tribal council, consensus arrangement, that was the underlying system Ghadafi had, is the system under which Libya rose from a humble state, into a developing and prosperous society. It is that society and its traditions, and its successful adaptations, which was so brutally wrecked by the dishonest and self-serving ambitions of the US, Britain, and France.

Libya's history traces back to smaller districts like Cyrenaica, that fell under several administrations from the Ancient Greeks to the modern imperial ambitions of Italy's Mussolini; but it is probably not in the best interests of Libya, or its people, to have the country subdivided, in the interests of foreign countries.

And so suspicion must arise that the same political calculation and outside interest that looked with disdain or disapproval on Ghadafi's Pan-African diplomacy and his gold dinar, and the potential for the emerging reality of Libya as a real regional power, also reflects what Great Powers did before, with their cynical diplomacy.

Posted by: Copeland | Jan 16 2017 18:41 utc | 30

@22 noirette

wow. Richard Galustian lets go in that one, doesn't he? i was wondering what the uk was doing in his vision, sandwiched between russia and the usa ...

Libyan British Business Council (LBBC) - official guide to delegates, April 2012

Richard Galustian Senior Consultant

Richard Galustian is a Senior Consultant to Babcock International Group. He is the son of Haig C. Galustian, a renowned Armenian who was very close to the late Shah of Persia. Richard grew up in Britain. The senior Galustian was awarded exclusive agencies for Persia by almost every major British corporation, post-WWII.

Richard was mentored in professional activities by his father and began working as his protégé in 1968. Based on his background and experience, he has unique access to various influential components of British, US and Middle Eastern societies. One of his primary endeavours involves providing political and business advice.

Richard has lived and worked most of his life in the Middle East and noteworthy is the fact that he spent three years in Iraq, post 2003 invasion as well as time in Afghanistan in 2006.

... seems to be the empire's fixer. well, one of ...

Posted by: jfl | Jan 16 2017 19:22 utc | 31


Thanks, I'll pick up where you might have missed? :-)

Posted by: OJS | Jan 16 2017 19:27 utc | 32

@31 ojs

that's it. i got nothin', really. you're welcome to it.

Posted by: jfl | Jan 16 2017 19:41 utc | 33


Happy MikeLimaKilo Day off for the One Party apparatchiks!

Bombing will recommence at 08:00 hours!

Posted by: chipnik | Jan 16 2017 20:34 utc | 34

jfl, bit more below and still searching... getting hot?

...Richard Galustian, a security contractor who worked for the U.S. government in Iraq, launched the multi-million dollar lawsuit against SkyLink Group of Companies, senior company officers, subsidiaries of the firm, a former employee and retired Col. John Holly, the former director of logistics in Iraq for the U.S. Army Corp of Engineers. ..

Posted by: OJS | Jan 16 2017 20:40 utc | 35

@35 ojs

i don't know. sounds like a squabble among thieves.

Posted by: jfl | Jan 16 2017 21:24 utc | 36

'Russia’s rationale for involvement was summarized by Foreign Minister Lavrov’s categorical statement on December 2 that it “does not want Libya to end up like Syria, as a failed state.”';

isnt this back to front?!

Posted by: brian | Jan 16 2017 21:59 utc | 37

Thanks for highlighting that interesting mercenary connection... As Peter said "The GNA plan is led less by the UN than by the U.S. State Department and the UK Foreign Office". The western goal in setting up the GNA is that there needs to be unanimity in the internationally recognized leadership of Libya for the western actors (Tony Blair's relative) to gain control over the 100 billion Libyan Sov wealth fund - which is still unspent. Sending the mercs to work with Hiftar sorta goes against that US-Brit, State department/Tony Blair's relative attempt. Typical though for the US where one faction overtly fights another in some far-off land. Maybe the US/Brit connection already got control and are setting up to ditch the GNA now that it has served its' purpose - though I doubt it.

Certainly the Russians (and Chinese) would like a reason for the new power in Libya to be indebted to them - seeing they lost something like 5+ billion in oil concessions when Libya was overthrown. A leader dependent on their weapons would have incentive to re-instate those arrangements. The US on the other hand would be more than a bit reticent to let them have it. The US ordered their oil people out 6 months before the revolution, throwing the concession bids to the Russians and Chinese on the assumption they would get them back at a discount. As to why Russia would want access to Libyan oil... it is all about control! With Libya the only other cheap and local source with increasing reserve potential, this is part of Russia's attempt to keep energy control over prices in Europe.

I don't think that Trump will let all that slide while he sings "why can't we be friends, why can't we be friends... "

Posted by: les7 | Jan 16 2017 22:14 utc | 38

@28 yonatan.. thanks for all that..

@jfl.. interesting little exchange of ideas their, lol..

Posted by: james | Jan 16 2017 22:46 utc | 39

Posted by: jfl | Jan 16, 2017 2:22:24 PM | 31

the son of Haig C. Galustian, a renowned Armenian who was very close to the late Shah of Persia. Richard grew up in Britain. The senior Galustian was awarded exclusive agencies for Persia by almost every major British corporation, post-WWII.

HAh! Yes, we can trust Galustan's motives ... not.

The Brits 'handled'(abused) and manipulated pre WWII Iran (Persia) with a very heavy hand indeed, treated much like the earlier days of the 'Jewel in the Crown' India, and there were huge grants give to such individuals who would emulate the likes 'Cecil Rhodes' of South African fame ... as long as they dutifully served they British Empires interests, 110%.

When the Soviets re-entered the 'The Renewed Great Game's picture re Persia/Iran during and immediately after WWII, that's when Perfidious Albion and the US got together and really got their hands dirty ...

Forgotten History - very relevant background contextual events...

See Mohammad Mosaddegh (Iran Coup of '53), events preceding re the nationalization of the Iranian oil industry, which had been under British control since 1913 through the Anglo-Persian Oil Company (APOC/AIOC) (later British Petroleum and BP) & most importantly:

The disgraceful Iranian Constitutional Revolution of 1905-07 & the Anglo-Persian Treaty of 1919 ... in order to better understand Galustian's antecedents and master's intentions re Libya ... b has toyed with us, once again ;)

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 16 2017 23:56 utc | 40

george webb on you tube asks where is eric bravermann.
where is the gold of libya what of the sovreign wealth funds in new york and of the goldman sachs investments.
what of foreign property portfolios the banks full of dollars.
what of the oil contracts what of the children and woman renditioned too turkey,tel aviv and haiti.
what of the live organs harvested by the 10s of thousands.
what of the monies profit of g4s,accademi,serco,wakkenhut and glorious hilary killery favorite dine corpse dyncorp.
what of the rothschild central bank put in what of the epic water projects bombed with bunker buster.
what of the depleted uranium from general electric nuclear waste piles packed into bombs,missiles bullets and tank rounds.
cancer for a billion years genetic mutations for eternity.
they called gadaffi mad dog gadaffi duck killery clinton laughed as this great man was sodomised with a knife.
the french the british tel aviv mobsters wanted the fast cash and the gold,goldman wanted too delete all outstanding debts owed.

an even bigger heist than ukrainia why so many folks of a jewisher persuasion involved just a conky dinq perhaps.
tony soprano and colleone mafia small time rabbi big boss
hyman roth indeed

Posted by: andy mcnobb | Jan 16 2017 23:56 utc | 41

Well the operative word in 2017 will be IMPEACHMENT!so while the new management is trying to setup shop it would be temporary or it could drag on for the full term.Trump doesn't have balls of iron to withstand the torture by thousand cuts as he is a 'reality queen' used to having his ways .Secret operatives have double or triple roles even after the pink slip.Old soldiers fade away but these scoundrels throwing a hissy fit cos POTUS wouldn't listen to them would be like a pack of wolves more so if they are paid in petro dollars for their 'good' works.

My point is Trump cant get anything done as he fights the oncoming train called ,''Trump impeachment moves''...or TITS:-) he is owned like it or not.

Posted by: Nur Adlina | Jan 17 2017 0:03 utc | 42

Nur Adlina,

Are you claiming responsibility for that? And why does the Star Wars "Rebel Alliance" emblem look so much like the Ukrainian tryzub anyway?

Posted by: Jonathan | Jan 17 2017 0:18 utc | 43

@41 andy - interesting theme you present, Libya in a mafia-type savage burn. Almost as if the hoodlum tactics have become so visible now in today's light that Libya can serve as a textbook study in heist. And heist is the MO of the people in charge.

Thanks for the collection of observations. I always liked your poetry.

Posted by: Grieved | Jan 17 2017 0:30 utc | 44

Interesting to note, but my brother(who lives in Libya) said the Russian Mediterranean fleet, including a carrier; the same force that was docked by Syria and taking part in operations there, was docket in Tobruk three days ago. Tobruk is very close to Benghazi, where the LNA -Libyan National Army operates out of under Gen. Haftar. Haftar has visited Russia two times recently and made weapons deals.

It would be a blessing if Russia came to some kind of assistance to Libya, as the flip-flopping E.U. -NATO and U.S. seem to have abandoned Libya.

The situation on the ground in Libya cant be worse, with an ongoing cash liquidity crisis(banks have no money), main water supply to Tripoli has been shut down since Wednesday, rolling power outages all across Libya lasting for hours, or days. The whole national power grid went down completely a few days ago etc. Also, high tensions are building among various militias. The situation in Libya is fast approaching critical mass.

Posted by: bored muslim | Jan 17 2017 0:50 utc | 45

Trump will support whoever is more effective in fighting ISIS. That means General Khalifa Haftar. That's no brainer.

Posted by: telescope | Jan 17 2017 1:52 utc | 46

@ Posted by: chipnik | Jan 16, 2017 8:16:51 PM | 47

Nice try chipnik, but 'No kewpie doll for you' ... you are intelligent, literate, capable, and a demonstrable fraud.

Even before b opened MOA, thru to b, b's abrupt shutdown and subsequent re-opening of the MOA bar six months later, 'til today.

However, who really gives a shit, re one among many posters past involvement ... apparently you do, re false slanders, false 'research' and Big Lies' ...

So who, dearest, Chipnik, 'who' is yet again, and again, though in this instance, 'Telling the Big Lie' ? Hm ?

Oh, and Chipnik, assertions without supporting evidence ? Re your latest 'Big Lie' ... anyone who could actually be bothered re this amateur hour crap of yours, and fraudulent research assertions:

'20 October 2005 on MOA' ...

Open Outrage Thread

Welcome back O. - News and views ...

Give it up, FFS! You and your colleagues/sock-puppets aren't ... fooling ... anyone ... anymore ...

Would y'all, kindly, please, stop polluting the threads ?

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 17 2017 1:53 utc | 47

@Jen 9

Saif al-Islam Gaddafi has been set free:

and is living in Zintan in a “comfortable house with a new wife and their three-year-old daughter”

Subsequently, Gaddafi loyalists and Haftar representatives are rumored:

Also, Egyptian forces have been closely collaborating with some key Libyan factions, including representatives of the tribes whose loyalty remains with the Gaddafis.

More background on Libya and the Syrian conflict can be found in “War on Syria – Gateway to WWIII


Posted by: Krollchem | Jan 17 2017 2:22 utc | 48

Looks like Ukraine and Jordan chose the wrong side in the Libyan war II
"Dawn Air Force — the main aerial rival of Haftar’s own Libyan National Army Air Force — paid the Ukrainian companies Glissada and Amber Tiger and the Jordan-based Caravana Middle East to find suitable pilots for its tiny fleet of fighters and helicopters"

Posted by: Krollchem | Jan 17 2017 2:25 utc | 49

The destruction of Libya is only a small part of the North African chaos created by by the US and French secret services as described in the Global War On Terror in the Sahara (The Dying Sahara, Pluto 2013

For example see "How Washington helped foster the Islamist uprising in Mali"

Posted by: Krollchem | Jan 17 2017 2:39 utc | 50

@51 james

more instructive might be a tally of posts attacking other posters vs good faith posts trying to contribute something to the commonweal.

sorry days at moa. the 'trolls troll the trolls' - or revet to their own one-noted songs - and we're all left without nourishment, without reason to be here, really.

Posted by: jfl | Jan 17 2017 2:41 utc | 51

Ukraine always chooses the wrong side, wrong time, wrong place, wrong everything.
That's just how Ukraine rolls.

Posted by: telescope | Jan 17 2017 2:56 utc | 52

Glenn Greenwald
Jeremy Corbyn Accused of Being Russian “Collaborator” for Questioning NATO Troop Build-Up on Border

at the Intercept

Posted by: mauisurfer | Jan 17 2017 3:49 utc | 53

yes sir
follow the oil,drugs,guns and fun times with the woman and the kids.
we had to drop a 100 tons of depleted uranium on libya gadaffi was going too kill his own people..
doin it for the kids
by doing it too them.

The starting pistol has been fired on bids by Britain and other western powers to secure a slice of the oil prize in Libya when France said it was "fair and logical" for its companies to benefit.

Alain Juppé, the French foreign minister, planted his flag in the sand as the Guardian was told that BP was already holding private talks with members of Libya's interim government.

Libya is a vital energy producer, and BP had previously committed itself to spending more than $1bn on exploration plans under Muammar Gaddafi's government.

Shell was also becoming active before the civil war broke out, as was Total of France

Posted by: andy mcnob | Jan 17 2017 4:11 utc | 54

Trump wants to kick Italy and France out of Libya.
He prefers to allow Russia and Egypt to play the largest role there. Trump and Putin will support Haftar and destroy the EU supported government.

Trump will do all he can to provoke more exits from the EU by weakening all its members, including Germany.

In a way Trump has declared war to the EU and NATO. The E.U members are shocked and feel weaker than ever.

Posted by: virgile | Jan 17 2017 4:18 utc | 55

Posted by: mauisurfer | Jan 16, 2017 10:49:26 PM | 59

Thank you for the 'Heads-up'. Here is the link:

Jeremy Corbyn Accused of Being Russian “Collaborator” for Questioning NATO Troop Build-Up on Border

Do you recall most recently, there was the campaign to destroy Corbyn and slander supporters falsely as Anti-Semitic. Tories and Israeli agents, on behalf of Israel.

They would only do the above and your link and the following if they really consider him as leader of the Labor party a threat to their interests. Worth a ponder ... ah, faux Democracy at work ... :(

May wish to review the Al-Jazeera investigation re UK Tories/Government Israelis in the vids jfl linked to in open-thread-2017-02 page 2 post 101

Also, may recall, the already suborned parliamentarians within the Labor party fought tooth and nail, in partnership with the UK MSM, the UK government, The UK Tories and the classic definition of an Agent-of-Influence(AOI), Tony Baliar, and his associates to prevent he Grass roots members from electing Corbyn to lead the Labor party.

That was only the first of many campaigns, so far, to destroy Corbyn, because he isn't apparently an AOI. And will not be the last.

However, with utmost respect, maybe more appropriate in the Open Thread ?



Posted by: Outraged | Jan 17 2017 4:22 utc | 56

@ james 51 & jfl 56 & grieved 58

Should you wish to engage and discuss, may one suggest the Open Thread ?

Wouldn't wish to increase the OT posts, or total post numbers, would we ... ;)


Posted by: Outraged | Jan 17 2017 4:26 utc | 57

Russia seems to have a plan for putting the part of the world that US has destroyed back together again. Oil producing countries that will sell oil in currencies other than the dollar, buying weapons systems from Russia and other trade with Russia.
The foundation stones are being laid as the right conditions are created. A stone here, a stone there, but soon the shape will emerge. Russia has not gone back to Syria/MENA just to save a military base in Syria.
Trump or no Trump, the wahabbi kingdom will most likely end up isolated in that part of the world. China is now the biggest importer of oil, not the US, so I guess the headchoppers will be very tempted to follow the money.
Interesting times.

Posted by: Peter AU | Jan 17 2017 4:42 utc | 58

Richard Galustian is often on RT-on-air.

Posted by: okie farmer | Jan 17 2017 5:14 utc | 59

In the interview, Trump changed entirely the metrics by which sanctions on Russia would be lifted. Instead of fulfillment of the Minsk Accords over Ukraine’s ethnic Russian Donbas region – which nationalist hardliners in Kiev had the power to block – Trump conditioned the relaxation of sanctions on progress in curbing the nuclear arms race and moving toward significant nuclear disarmament, issues that are fully within the power of the Kremlin to implement.

To be sure, these issues today are more complex than they were in the heyday of disarmament talks. The recent obstacles include the U.S. anti-ballistic missile installations in Poland and Romania, the forward stationing of NATO human and materiel resources in the former Warsaw Pact countries, and the standing invitations to Ukraine and Georgia to enter NATO. So any negotiations between Washington and Moscow will be very complex.

But Trump’s statement shows that he is focused on the big picture, on the triangular relationship between Washington, Moscow and Beijing that he believes to be of vital importance in keeping the peace globally, rather than on some amorphous reliance on expanding democracy globally on the unproven assumption that democracies among themselves are peace-loving.

These elements in Donald Trump’s thinking, quite unexpected in a businessman, bring him very close to the Realism of Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger, while his setting nuclear disarmament as a key goal, aligns him with Ronald Reagan and — strange to say — with Barack Obama at the very start of his presidency.

If Donald Trump can stave off the jackals from the Western mainstream media and the U.S. foreign policy establishment – a combination that has formed a snarling circle around him even before the takes office – he may have a chance to make historic changes in international relations toward a more peaceful world.
endquote (from consortiumnews)

this is my big hope
especially good that trump may forget the obama/hillary BS re Maidan2 (which kiev has refused to follow as agreed)
and base russia relations on new positive steps - reducing both nuclear insanity and troop buildup on russian borders
love to see him put a leash and a muzzle on nato warmongers/profiteers

Posted by: mauisurfer | Jan 17 2017 5:45 utc | 60

cannuck @ 17: Thanks for the reminder that the "revolution" in Libya was engineered by the
empire and it's minions to achieve resource hegemony. Thanks for the synopsis.

"Its just business"

Posted by: ben | Jan 17 2017 5:48 utc | 61

- I fear that other countries in North Africa & the Middle East will also experience/go through - what I would call - "the Libya scenario". In that case the entire Middle East will become a VERY unstable "quagmire" in which neither the US or Russia will have much interest in getting too involved.

Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 17 2017 8:11 utc | 62

- Lavrov said "We don't want Libya to become a failed state like Syria".

2 comments regarding this statement:
- I thought Libya was already a "failed state"
- Does Lavrov REALLY think that Russia can turn this failed state into a well (or better) functioning state again ? To change a failed state into a not-failed state ?
Sheer lunacy.

Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 17 2017 8:30 utc | 63

@69 Willy2

“In that case the entire Middle East will become a VERY unstable "quagmire"

There is a strong possibility that the ‘VERY unstable "quagmire" scenario is about to become a reality. Trump’s insistence on recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel could well be the spark that blows apart the whole middle east. As the Jordanian gov’t recently stated: “An embassy move would be a "red line" for Jordan, would "inflame the Islamic and Arab streets" and serve as a "gift to extremists," While this may sound hyperbolic, the reality is that the Palestinian cause is overwhelmingly supported by Arabs throughout the mid-east and the potential for blowback to such a move should not be underestimated. For Jordan, a staunch US ally, to state publicly that it considers the move a red line underscores the gravity of the situation.

So much for the vaunted Paris peace conference. Robert Fisk has a scathing critique:

“As peace conferences go, this was the most miserable of all. Pathetic, hopeless, hapless, woebegone, dead before its time. Trump sent nobody, Netanyahu called it “the last twitches of the world of yesterday”, the autocratic Mahmoud Abbas didn’t bother to turn up and Theresa May’s secretary of state for buffoonery only sent a clutch of underlings. John Kerry, who said two years ago that peace between Israelis and Palestinians had at the most 18 months to succeed “or it’s over”, announced lamely that the gathering of 70 nations in Paris had “moved the ball forward” – whatever that means. So what was it all for?”


“…But what did they all expect?

That Trump’s new ambassadorial stooge to Israel would choose to stay in Tel Aviv? That Benjamin Netanyahu, the Coloniser and Settler-in-Chief, would make no more territorial demands? That the Palestinians, losing acres by the day to Israeli land theft but saddled with a leader whose legitimacy depends on Israel rather than them, would restart negotiations with their occupiers? And so it came to pass that the great and the good in Paris spoke thus: thou shalt not prejudge the outcome of negotiations by taking unilateral steps. And this, announced a French spokesman, was a “subliminal message” to Trump.

Ye Gods! Trump doesn’t receive “subliminal messages”. He sends tweets. “Stay strong Israel.” How do you answer that? But maybe the lads and lasses in Paris got the message. Not once did they utter the word “occupation”, let alone “apartheid”. Why, they didn’t even mention the little matter of moving the US embassy to Jerusalem. This would be “inappropriate”, quoth the mighty Kerry. And this was supposed to be a “strong message” to the Prime Minister of Israel (clearly Trump) and the President of the United States (obviously Netanyahu) that the two-state solution really was the only game in town.

And so the Palestinian tragedy continues its slide down the domestic news schedules – to Israel’s delight – sandwiched somewhere between hospital trolley deaths and academy awards, but way behind Trump and Putin, Russia in the Middle East, Isis, Brexit, European migrants and global warming. The world’s biggest volcano is bubbling away in Palestine …”

Posted by: pantaraxia | Jan 17 2017 12:38 utc | 64

Paris conference is PR operation for France/Qatar. We have elections!! need to justify the bags of money EU policy makers are getting from the Gulf. 70 countries ! in Paris! PR for the Arab cable-viewers over the world. 'We don't forget Palestine!' i.e. 'we don't need more bombings, got our hands full with *** /the usual culprits'.

Posted by: Mina | Jan 17 2017 13:05 utc | 65

Willy2 ...Does Lavrov REALLY think that Russia can turn this failed state into a well (or better) functioning state again ? To change a failed state into a not-failed state ?
Sheer lunacy.

The answer to your (rhetorical) question is YES, Mr Lavrov does, knowing as he does from first-hand experience that a state can rise again from plunder, sacking and utter ruination (thanks to Jeffery Sachs and others) to become strong, secure and confident again.

Posted by: Petra | Jan 17 2017 13:51 utc | 66

“The international community must continue to stand as one against Russian coercion and aggression,” Biden told reporters, standing alongside Poroshenko, in remarks which did not include reference to Trump by name.

“The Crimea-related sanctions against Russia must remain in place until Russia returns full control to the people of Ukraine.”

“Together with our EU and G7 partners,” Biden said, “we made it clear that sanctions should remain in place until Russia fully, emphasise fully, implements its commitments under the Minsk agreement.”

it is hard for me to conceive of where Biden is coming from
his remarks about Minsk2 are so far from truth/reality
Kiev agreed (under pressure from Merkel0, and Kiev has refused to take any steps in compliance with its agreement
indeed, some say the Kiev govt would fall if it attempted to comply with Minsk2

Posted by: mauisurfer | Jan 17 2017 14:10 utc | 67

@ Posted by: mauisurfer | Jan 17, 2017 9:10:23 AM | 67

the Kiev govt would fall if it attempted to comply with Minsk2

Indeed. The OUN Neo-Nazis occupy most military and security services Key positions. Poroshenko and anyone else involved in compliance with the signed agreement, would likely be dead, hanging upside down from lampposts, surrounded by modern 'brownshirts' holding lit tar torches within hours ...

We're does Ukraine proper go from here ? How do they extricate themselves from this nightmare ?

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 17 2017 14:30 utc | 68

@67 mauisurfer
“it is hard for me to conceive of where Biden is coming from”

Perhaps this provides a clue:

In May2014 (during the height of the Ukraine crisis) both Biden’s son Hunter and John Kerry's financial adviser Devon Archer were appointed as Directors to Burisma Holdings, Ukraine’s largest private gas producer. This shady company just happens to have large holdings in the Donbass and surrounding area and is owned by none other than that scumbag zionist oligarch Igor Kolomoisky.

Then there’s the cozy relationship between another major Ukrainian oligarch, Victor Pinchuk and the Clintons.
Pinchuk has directed between $10 million and $25 million to the Clinton foundation. They became such good buddies that Pinchuk has lent his private plane to the Clintons and traveled to Los Angeles in 2011 to attend Mr. Clinton’s star-studded 65th birthday celebration.

from NYT:
“Between September 2011 and November 2012, Douglas E. Schoen, a former political consultant for Mr. Clinton, arranged about a dozen meetings with State Department officials on behalf of or with Mr. Pinchuk to discuss the continuing political crisis in Ukraine, according to reports Mr. Schoen filed as a registered lobbyist.”

-pay to play? (Was always puzzled as to why this wasn’t brought up during the ‘pay to play’ phase of the Clinton campaign)

So three of the most prominent Democrats - Biden, Kerry, and Clinton- have what can be loosely termed as financial interests associated with the present regime in Ukraine. Who knows what else is carefully hidden ‘behind the curtain’.

Nothing to see here. Move along.

Posted by: pantaraxia | Jan 17 2017 15:19 utc | 69

a great rant from pilger, should read all, here is a taste

One of the persistent strands in American political life is a cultish extremism that approaches fascism. This was given expression and reinforced during the two terms of Barack Obama. “I believe in American exceptionalism with every fibre of my being,” said Obama, who expanded America’s favourite military pastime, bombing, and death squads (“special operations”) as no other president has done since the Cold War.

According to a Council on Foreign Relations survey, in 2016 alone Obama dropped 26,171 bombs. That is 72 bombs every day. He bombed the poorest people on earth, in Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, Somalia, Syria, Iraq, Pakistan.

Every Tuesday — reported the New York Times — he personally selected those who would be murdered by mostly hellfire missiles fired from drones. Weddings, funerals, shepherds were attacked, along with those attempting to collect the body parts festooning the “terrorist target”. A leading Republican senator, Lindsey Graham, estimated, approvingly, that Obama’s drones killed 4,700 people. “Sometimes you hit innocent people and I hate that,” he said, but we’ve taken out some very senior members of Al Qaeda.”

Like the fascism of the 1930s, big lies are delivered with the precision of a metronome: thanks to an omnipresent media whose description now fits that of the Nuremberg prosecutor: “Before each major aggression, with some few exceptions based on expediency, they initiated a press campaign calculated to weaken their victims and to prepare the German people psychologically … In the propaganda system … it was the daily press and the radio that were the most important weapons.

Take the catastrophe in Libya. In 2011, Obama said Libyan president Muammar Gaddafi was planning “genocide” against his own people. “We knew… that if we waited one more day, Benghazi, a city the size of Charlotte, could suffer a massacre that would have reverberated across the region and stained the conscience of the world.”

This was the known lie of Islamist militias facing defeat by Libyan government forces. It became the media story; and Nato – led by Obama and Hillary Clinton – launched 9,700 “strike sorties” against Libya, of which more than a third were aimed at civilian targets. Uranium warheads were used; the cities of Misurata and Sirte were carpet-bombed. The Red Cross identified mass graves, and Unicef reported that “most [of the children killed] were under the age of ten”.

Under Obama, the US has extended secret “special forces” operations to 138 countries, or 70 per cent of the world’s population. The first African-American president launched what amounted to a full-scale invasion of Africa. Reminiscent of the Scramble for Africa in the late 19th century, the US African Command (Africom) has built a network of supplicants among collaborative African regimes eager for American bribes and armaments. Africom’s “soldier to soldier” doctrine embeds US officers at every level of command from general to warrant officer. Only pith helmets are missing.

It is as if Africa’s proud history of liberation, from Patrice Lumumba to Nelson Mandela, is consigned to oblivion by a new master’s black colonial elite whose “historic mission”, warned Frantz Fanon half a century ago, is the promotion of “a capitalism rampant though camouflaged”.

It was Obama who, in 2011, announced what became known as the “pivot to Asia”, in which almost two-thirds of US naval forces would be transferred to the Asia-Pacific to “confront China”, in the words of his Defence Secretary. There was no threat from China; the entire enterprise was unnecessary. It was an extreme provocation to keep the Pentagon and its demented brass happy.

In 2014, the Obama’s administration oversaw and paid for a fascist-led coup in Ukraine against the democratically-elected government, threatening Russia in the western borderland through Hitler invaded the Soviet Union, with a loss of 27 million lives. It was Obama who placed missiles in Eastern Europe aimed at Russia, and it was the winner of the Nobel Peace Prize who increased spending on nuclear warheads to a level higher than that of any administration since the cold war — having promised, in an emotional speech in Prague, to “help rid the world of nuclear weapons”.
Obama, the constitutional lawyer, prosecuted more whistleblowers than any other president in history, even though the US constitution protects them. He declared Chelsea Manning guilty before the end of a trial that was a travesty. He has refused to pardon Manning who has suffered years of inhumane treatment which the UN says amounts to torture. He has pursued an entirely bogus case against Julian Assange. He promised to close the Guantanamo concentration camp and didn’t.

Posted by: mauisurfer | Jan 17 2017 15:30 utc | 70

A Demand for Russian ‘Hacking’ Proof

Our VIPS colleague William Binney, who was Technical Director of NSA and created many of the collection systems still in use, assures us that NSA’s “cast-iron” coverage – particularly surrounding Julian Assange and other people associated with WikiLeaks – would almost certainly have yielded a record of any electronic transfer from Russia to WikiLeaks. Binney has used some of the highly classified slides released by Edward Snowden to demonstrate precisely how NSA accomplishes this using trace mechanisms embedded throughout the network. [See: “U.S. Intel Vets Dispute Russia Hacking Claims,” Dec. 12, 2016.]

Not mentioned until now is our conclusion that leaks are the source of the WikiLeaks disclosures in question – not hacking. Leaks normally leave no electronic trace. William Binney has been emphasizing this for several months and suggesting strongly that the disclosures were from a leaker with physical access to the information – not a hacker with only remote access.
This, of course, makes it even harder to pin the blame on President Putin, or anyone else.

In addition, former U.K. Ambassador Craig Murray has said publicly he has first-hand information on the provenance of the leaks, and has expressed surprise that no one from the New York Times or the Washington Post has tried to get in touch with him. We would be interested in knowing whether anyone from your administration, including the intelligence community, has made any effort to contact Ambassador Murray.

from consortium news

Posted by: mauisurfer | Jan 17 2017 15:52 utc | 71

- No, I don't think neither Russia or the US are able to "resurrect" the Libyan state. There has simply been too much war/military violence in that country. Agree, Russia got "back up on its feet" but it never experienced a civil war like in Lybia & Syria. And the longer that voilence continues the longer it will take to get both countries back to a normal and stable situation.

Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 17 2017 16:56 utc | 72

right willy
and all of Kafai's gold is long gone

Posted by: mauisurfer | Jan 17 2017 20:48 utc | 73

I think it's remarkable that Richard Galustian can write a long speculative article about possible outcomes in Libya, including a pointed reference to wild cards, without once mentioning China.

Xi has made it abundantly clear that China's vision for the future is a calm, conflict-free and prosperous multi-polar world, and will form alliances with anyone interested in breathing life into that vision. If the Christian Colonials think they can prolong the chaos in Libya, to conceal the crimes they've already committed there, they've got another think coming.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 18 2017 12:26 utc | 74

I dont think any adequate solution will be provided when two of the biggest countries arent working together. As long as their war wont be over, the minor countries (no offence here) will suffer.
In twentieth century, bipolar world was the biggest problem. Nowadays, nothing really changed.

Posted by: artgsg | Jan 18 2017 13:38 utc | 75

The Fight Over a Trump-Putin Détente Begins
Events this past week make clear that Trump was serious about changing US policy toward Russia, and the enemies of détente know it. Lessons from the past.
By Stephen F. Cohen

Posted by: mauisurfer | Jan 18 2017 19:40 utc | 76

@Petra (#66):

- No, I don't think neither Russia or the US are able to "resurrect" the Libyan state. There has simply been too much war/military violence in that country. Agree, Russia got "back up on its feet" but it never experienced a civil war like in Lybia & Syria. And the longer that voilence continues the longer it will take to get both countries back to a normal and stable situation.

- About the "Libya Scenario":
In Libya the government was (heavily) susidizing a number of things. Gasoline , Healthcare, food. It was all financed with the exports of oil. The Khadaffi government was not popular because Khadaffi was known to torture people who landed in one of his prisons. But at the same time it was safe country because everyone who carried a gun was thrown in prison. No one dared to carry a weapon in the street.

But after Khadaffi was killed and his government was overthrown the libyans were cheering in the streets that the dictator was dead. But with the fall of Khadaffi and his government also all those subsidies vanished into thin air as well. The militias have gotten hold of Khadaffi's arms and are now fighting among each other.

This is what I call "The Libya scenario" and this scenario/pattern (with some variations) will repeat itself in many countries in the Middle East and North Africa.

Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 18 2017 21:02 utc | 77

Why would Russia be interested in _buying_ oil?

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Jan 16, 2017 12:56:17 PM | 26

The idea is that according to "UN as enforced by EU", the only legal payments for Libyan oil are deposited in an entity that is under the control of GNA in Tripolis. But Russia wants to get money for weapons for LNA that has physical control of the oil fields and oil terminals. Thus Russia can get paid in oil. Moreover, the eastern government needs money too, so to support it one has to enable them to sell oil. Hence from the point of "UN as enforced by EU", Russia may "wash oil payments".

I guess a player that has most at stake in restoring order in Libya is Egypt, which is on receiving end of Islamist terrorism and guerrilla, and chaotic Libya assures that those Islamist can be supplied with weapons. Helping Egypt may gain Russia an ally and stabilize Syria (although Egyptian junta is a bit decrepit, so hard to tell if they can be of much help). And if the order in Libya is indeed restored, the instrumental countries will gain stature. There is a little question what is UAE doing here.

UAE is a vassal of KSA, if one interprets their press. I recall reading that we "have to be engaged in Yemen" because that is needed for the alliance with KSA. In the same time, UAE is not so happy about the Yemen situation, and their word view and interests are not the same as KSA. I though that KSA prefers GNA, Turkey definitely does.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jan 20 2017 21:31 utc | 78

Superficial, uninformed and poorly written.
Sorry to say that, but this is not the quality I'm used to on MoA.

US switching to support the LNA - sure, why not? Next, they'll supply arms to Assad, forge an alliance with Teheran and subject their nuclear arsenal to UN inspections. Plus, the pope will have an abortion.

Posted by: smuks | Jan 23 2017 2:46 utc | 79

Reinstate the Libyan Jamahiriya.

Posted by: giney newport | Feb 1 2017 16:29 utc | 80

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