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January 27, 2017

Fake News Of "Interests" And "Intervention"

U.S. and other media continue their strong move towards baseless, aka fake, news. We recently caught the New York Times claiming that Russia started the war in Georgia, something the NYT had earlier debunked itself. The Washington Post claimed that Russian hackers were sneaking into the U.S. electricity grid. The story fell apart within a few hours. Nothing in it was true. Hundreds of pieces were written about "peaceful demonstrator" rebels in Syria, about 250,000 civilians besieged in Aleppo or Syrian government bombings of hospitals that lacked any base in reality.

That onslaught of fake news by repudiated media continues unabated in print, web and TV.

Yesterday a sensational piece in the Washington Post claimed that The State Department’s entire senior administrative team just resigned:

The entire senior level of management officials resigned Wednesday, part of an ongoing mass exodus of senior Foreign Service officers who don’t want to stick around for the Trump era.

The simple truth: These were people in political positions who serve "at the pleasure of the President". They got fired even though some of them wanted to stay on. For bureaucratic reasons they had to write formal resignation letters. They did so after they were told to leave. There was also nothing sensational about that. It happens with any change of the President. As the American Foreign Service Association (AFSA) explained:

While this appears to be a large turnover in a short period of time, a change of administration always brings personnel changes, and there is nothing unusual about rotations or retirements in the Foreign Service.

Only one higher manager in the State Department "survived" the 2001 change of administration from Clinton to Bush. There was no reason to think that the current change would be any different.

Another fake news item currently circling is that Trump has given order to the military to create safe zones for Syria. The reality is still far from it:

[H]is administration crafted a draft order that would direct the Pentagon and the State Department to submit plans for the safe zones within 90 days. The order hasn't yet been issued.

The draft of the order, which will be endlessly revised, says that safe zones could be in Syria or in neighboring countries. The Pentagon has always argued against such zones in Syria and the plans it will submit, should such an order be issued at all, will reflect that. The safe zones in Syria ain't gonna happen.

Another fake news item comes in the description of a Theresa May speech she yesterday held in front of U.S. Republicans. The BBC headlines: Theresa May: UK and US cannot return to 'failed' interventions. Sky News likewise headlines: Theresa May warns US and UK cannot return to 'failed' interventions. From the BBC piece:

BBC political editor Laura Kuenssberg said Mrs May was signalling there would be no more wars like those in Iraq and perhaps Afghanistan, and it was significant that she had chosen her US speech to signal such a shift.

BBC diplomatic correspondent James Robbins said it was a hugely significant speech, arguably the biggest by a UK PM in the US since Tony Blair's 1999 speech in Chicago advocating armed interventionism against dictators - something repudiated by Mrs May.

The claims by these BBC commentators are ludicrous. May did not call for less intervention as those comments make seem. Indeed she argued for more intervention. She argued against interventions for "values" (which were anyway always just a propaganda ploy) but strongly called for intervention for "interests". She of course would not like such interventions to 'fail'. From her speech:

It is in our interests – those of Britain and America together – to stand strong together to defend our values, our interests and the very ideas in which we believe.

This cannot mean a return to the failed policies of the past. The days of Britain and America intervening in sovereign countries in an attempt to remake the world in our own image are over. But nor can we afford to stand idly by when the threat is real and when it is in our own interests to intervene. We must be strong, smart and hard-headed. And we must demonstrate the resolve necessary to stand up for our interests.

Shorter: "It is in the U.S. (and our ass-kissing country's) interest to defend its interests by intervening for the sake of its interests."

May destroys the fake facade of liberal interventionism, the "responsibility to protect" nonsense, and argues for wars of aggression for purely monetary or geo-political reasons - "interests" as she calls it.

That is not, as the BBC claims, "signalling that there would be no more wars like those in Iraq and perhaps Afghanistan" but the opposite. There will be more such wars and all will predictably end with bad consequences for those invaded as well as for those who invade.

This is May's approval for Trump's call for stealing Iraq's oil:

[H]e suggested the costly and deadly occupation of the country might have been offset somewhat if the United States had taken the country's rich petroleum reserves.

"To the victor belong the spoils," Trump told members of the intelligence community, saying he first argued this case for "economic reasons."
"So we should have kept the oil," he said. "But, OK, maybe you'll have another chance."

With stealing Iraq's oil the invasion would have been in the U.S. and UK's "interest". As such it would not have "failed".

(The end result though, would have likely been the same. The U.S. and its British sidekick would have been kicked out of the country.)

To turn such talk around and argue, as the BBC does, that May "repudiated" such wars, is worse than simple fake news. It is Orwellian.

Posted by b on January 27, 2017 at 16:37 UTC | Permalink


This analysis of the DoS mass resignations is a little bit, well . . . dodgy.

The fact that “[o]nly one higher manager in the State Department ‘survived’ the 2001 change of administration from Clinton to Bush” is irrelevant to the current situation. The story here is that these DoS people walked off the job; the line about 2001 is about staff being fired. Two entirely different things.

Likewise, look at the AFSA quote closely. It notes the large numbers leaving and then it says “there is nothing unusual about rotations ore retirements in the Foreign Service.” What a stupid thing to say. Of course there is nothing unusual about rotations/retirements, but the ass-end of the statement is disconnected from the head-end, because the ass-end does not address the issue of the magnitude of the “large turnover.”

Here’s some speculation. The facts:
1. Trump on the campaign trail promised to move US embassy to Jerusalem.
2. In December Conway called this “a very big priority.”
3. The career diplomats bust a gut over this proposal. This week a bunch of top DoS people resign en masse.
4. Today DTDuck says he doesn’t want to talk about the move to Jerusalem. “It’s too early.”

Coincidence? I think not.

Posted by: Denis | Jan 27 2017 17:20 utc | 1

Sorry, meant to include link to today's RT to back up those facts I listed.

Also, just ignore the typos, they are my contribution to the fake news meme.

Posted by: Denis | Jan 27 2017 17:23 utc | 2

It is Orwellian, but with a sick twist.

The BBC is a taxpayer funded enterprise. The people pay their yearly TV licence fees, around £140 annually...and for that price they are then lied to in a superior fashion on a nightly basis...for that price you might also get EastEnders or some imported shite too... programming designed to help you escape the several alternate realities being pumped into your psyche each day. Alas, such prolonged escapism usually results in obesity, diabetes and severe social retardation.

Nope, on BBC world news you dont often hear that Russia retains an internationally regarded legal footing in order to be involved in the Syrian theatre, due to the invite extended to Russia by the Syrian state.

What you do hear of is a report made into an illegal war that took the best part of a decade and thousands of pages to say: "Oh, I say, those aren't my sandwiches...but my word they certainly do interest me. I will take them."

Posted by: MadMax2 | Jan 27 2017 17:29 utc | 3

thanks b... there is too much of it and it is ongoing.. nyt - wapo - wsj - i don't believe anything i hear from these outlets - and they are the establishment.. on the other hand, i trust folks like you infinitely more!

Posted by: james | Jan 27 2017 17:36 utc | 4


... worse than fake news. It is Orwellian.
Along those lines, you might've also mentioned the 'fake news' scare-mongering surrounding Kellyanne Conway's "alternative facts" phrase during her push-back on the media.

MSM portrayed this as the Administration making up its own facts and quickly followed up this 'fake news' with 'news' that the current publisher of George Orwell's 1984 was going to do another printing of the book!

'1984' has had multiple printings over the years, and for all I know, it was due for another! And it is arguable (if not certain) that Obama was more 'Orwellian' than Trump ever hopes to be.

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Anyone that watched the exchange knows that Ms. Conway's point was that the media is prioritizing 'gotcha' over substantive developments.

"Alternative facts" was actually a skillful way of accepting that Sean Spicer had not been truthful (whether knowingly or unknowingly) while taking the media to task for not reporting on more important 'facts'.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 27 2017 18:14 utc | 5

I have to say I am no longer a fan of RT. They distorted the safe zones story yesterday, and seem only to be going with shock headlines and very little reporting behind the stories they are currently featuring. Perhaps it is due to a lack of funding, but it is disappointing.

I am equally concerned that Trump doesn't help things by his off the cuff tweets but rather seems to enjoy clouding the issues at times. Whether that is to distract his political foes or not, each chance remark such as during the ABC interview can have a 'release the hounds!' affect that would be laughable if we weren't all just yearning for some steady hand at the helm of the ship of state as soon as possible. Seems we'll be lurching about for a while yet before that happens.

Many projected plans are indeed far into the future and 'Rome wasn't built in a day' applies in particular to them. Plus it's not easy to turn a big ship around; the process is going to look unsteady for some months to come. For the public at large, especially in the US, the meme "there is no alternative" has been replaced by "there IS an alternative". That's a very good thing.

Unsettling, but good.

Posted by: juliania | Jan 27 2017 18:30 utc | 6

Yeah. Good read it is. But, that has been going on for many, many years. All our lives the real important news is psyopped, twisted, filtered and left for an open end interpretation. Today the news is a quick flow of pictures and it is a proper manga. Just bits and pieces of an information that we need or not to understand content in-depth.
People who create them know how this is done and how it works.

It seems that it is more a conflict of interests and a motion of a certain worlds collide. Those worlds were once allies in one or a few things and its sync lasted good 60-70 years. Now they reposition and conflict each other.
We have been living in good old 1984 for some time now.

No news outlet is independent, but I find RT rather curious as it is getting more and more sophisticated in not showing pro its side emotional outbursts like CNN, BBC, DW and others when compared to. Those are unwatchable.
I find it really tasteless from BBC calling Russian fleet "boats of shame" or something in that manner. It only shows how low those can go and what to be expected in the future.

And for May and Trump as forward looking world leaders - I doubt it.
It is a more of a temporary solution construct running on a borrowed time, because if you try to undermine expensive structures and really big and old money you do not get very far.

Posted by: laserlurk | Jan 27 2017 18:37 utc | 7

I agree with anything - especially about May - but the safe zones issue. As for now it is indeed in a premature stage, but this will change and lead to a confrontation with Russia.

Posted by: Pnyx | Jan 27 2017 18:38 utc | 8

Mainstream news on topics of geopolitical importance consists of four ingredients in varying proportions:

  1. Outright lies: In the Syrian context this often takes the form of accusing "Assad" for crimes committed by "rebels".
  2. Half truths
  3. Factoids: small pieces of falsehoods and lies that have already been shown to be lies but that are repeated by the media so often that sheeple believe them to be true. "Assad, who last year gassed his own people, denied..."
  4. Facts: the most useful fact are the time and place of alleged events. Sometime the article may contain useful pieces of eyewitness testimony.

The creation of factoids is interesting. First the newspaper of record prints outright lies or fabrications. Then, some months or a year later they produce a refutation. Sometime this refutation is a true gem of investigative reporting, like the The New York Times article by C. J. Chivers and Eric Schmitt about CIA's secret arms airlift to Syrian rebels. This new knowledge is however newer integrated into the narrative. The original lie is repeated over and over again as a factoid; irrelevant to the story but important in framing the usual enemies.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jan 27 2017 18:53 utc | 9

REGARDING Orwell ...

The fact that the constitution created what was to be called fascism (after Mussolini coined the word) as the combination of government with capitalism (business) means we have lived in an Orwellian world for so long that the only surprise seems to be that it is now obvious.

The constitution created a non-democracy ruled directly by the oligarchs of the time: Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe. After Jackson it became a world in which the real oligarchs hid behind the presidency (the throne upon which non- oligarchs presumed as temporary kings for a time).

Thus, the propaganda of US History, taught and retaught as the myth of democracy, prevailed until Trump pulled away the mask.

And still, in spite of all of this, all of you persist in pretending that the US is a democracy. Is it any wonder that some people (a tiny minority) who have peeked behind the curtain promulgate a revolution to do away with the oligarchs and start over?

Or, is any wonder at all, that failing a revolution, some actually think the virus (humans) needs to obliterate itself in order to give the world a chance to heal? The planet made it back after each drastic crisis (best known, the end of the dinosaurs) showing a resilience to catastrophe. It can, and will, hopefully, do it again.

Otherwise, it is all just nannering by nabobs ...

Posted by: rg the lg | Jan 27 2017 18:59 utc | 10

Jackrabbit @ 5

MSM portrayed this as the Administration making up its own facts and quickly followed up this 'fake news' with 'news' that the current publisher of George Orwell's 1984 was going to do another printing of the book!

'1984' has had multiple printings over the years, and for all I know, it was due for another! And it is arguable (if not certain) that Obama was more 'Orwellian' than Trump ever hopes to be.

Uhhh... 1984 has jumped to #1 on Amazon's best seller list since DT's inauguration... that's why they're re-printing. 1984 was not in the top 100 previously.

DT in all he does driving people to read 1984 is pretty extreme stuff.

Clearly, a lot of people are very concerned about Trump's presidency. This is a "canary in the mine" snapshot, irrespective of any one person's "opinion"... pulling for DT or marching against him.

Anyone that watched the exchange knows that Ms. Conway's point was that the media is prioritizing 'gotcha' over substantive developments.

"braggadocio" is one of a lot of people's worries about DT, and for good reason: he's done a lot of it. It was DT making big deal in speeches his crowds were largest "ever". Foolish to ignore these things AFAIC.

Not releasing his taxes (and DT's statements about why eg. nobody but media cares) another case in point. This needs no explanation.

"Alternative facts" was actually a skillful way of accepting that Sean Spicer had not been truthful (whether knowingly or unknowingly) while taking the media to task for not reporting on more important 'facts'.

Well I'd just say DT/Spicer "made up shit" on this one, and they got called on it. There's been a lot of these this week.

Given a lot of scary cabinet appointments... many IMO that make GWB's (Condi, Rummsfeld, Wolfowitz, Norton...) look like choir boys, there's good reason for concern amongst the public. There's no sign of "draining the swamp", just the opposite.

Worth considering a lot of voting age citizens here did not vote, probably for a mix of apathy, 2 lousy candidates and accepting fed gov. is little more then a vehicle for the well healed. But a lot of these people care, and the extremes DT is demonstrating "out of the chute" give plenty of reason to put him on a short leash.

Just the talk we've heard in confirmation hearings and from (senate, but especially) congress wrt dumping ACA, overhauling medicare and privatizing SS enough to give US silent majority shivers.

Posted by: jdmckay | Jan 27 2017 19:12 utc | 11

rg the lg @10--

I never taught the US was a democracy, nor was I taught to do so; therefore, there was no "mask" for Trump to "pull away." The undemocratic nature of the Outlaw US Empire's been well known and remarked upon since the Founding and more intensely since the first "Presidential War" in 1846 stole 1/2 of Mexico. Turner's "Frontier Thesis" and Beard's An Economic Interpretation of the Constitution of the United States both demonstrated its undemocratic nature just as the drive for equal rights did.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 27 2017 19:20 utc | 12


Tulsi Gabbard meet Trump and delivered 3 messages to Dr. Assad. Information not found in any Syria news media. Therefore, I cannot confirm it’s true. Below cut-and-paste and snips for brevity.

When Tulsi Gabbard finally admitted that she met Dr. Bashar Al-Assad in Damascus, we were free to discuss what we knew about her trip. At first, we respected her deliberate efforts to obscure the fact that she met with the Prez. But, she also met with President-elect Trump who told her that he wanted her to deliver a message. The first message was that Dr. Assad had nothing to fear from the United States. The U.S. will not truck with any party out to change governments. .... In any case, Donald Trump has delivered his message successfully to Dr. Assad.

The second message has to do with Trump’s willingness to help the Syrian government to control the out-flux of refugees by establishing a “safe zone” for Syrians in areas controlled by either the Syrian Army or the Russian Air Force. I have been informed that Dr. Assad has accepted this kind of benign interference as long as it was coordinated with the Syrian government.

The third message she carried to Dr. Assad was that the U.S. is intent upon wiping out every vestige of ISIS and Alqaeda, and, that it would do so in coordination with Russia and the Syrian government.

.... Tulsi Gabbard took the trouble to secure Syrian permission to enter the SAR and, thus, entered legally and properly. Only Zionist child molesters and drug addicts attack a woman so courageous and, yet, so punctilious in the way she conducts her affairs.....

I decided not to include website the above article in compliance to your wishes. MoAs will have to find themselves to read the full article.

Posted by: OJS | Jan 27 2017 19:31 utc | 13

Correction. "Information not found in any Syria news media"

"Information not found in any Syrians news media where I regularly visited everyday.

Posted by: OJS | Jan 27 2017 19:42 utc | 14

My interpretation of "safe zone" is NOT "no fly zone". Therefore, Syrians and Russian Federation air forces full and absolute control its airspace. This is a game changer.

Posted by: OJS | Jan 27 2017 19:50 utc | 15

OJS @13--

That would be Syrpers. I found Assad's view on safe zones okay with Syrian approval a nice touch. It was also announced by Russia's Foreign Ministry that Kurdish autonomy was NOT included in the draft constitution under discussion in Kazakstan. What was discussed was the need for Kurdish inclusion in the negotiations,

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 27 2017 19:50 utc | 16

@10 @12

Each individual State is a democracy. They elect their Representatives by popular vote. Democratically.

On the Federal level the 50 States are represented by electors as laid out in the 12th Amendment. This makes us a Republic in that electors votes represent the winner of each individual State.

Long Live the Republic

Posted by: ALberto | Jan 27 2017 19:59 utc | 17

@juliania | Jan 27, 2017 1:30:32 PM | 6

I stand in disagreement RT is a reliable alternative news sites, they took pains, checks and delivered stories and documentaries that no other MSM willing or dare to do. BTW I watch RT live and RT news-feed 7/24.

I took exception to Thom Hartmann and Larry King shows and switches off whenever their program starts. Both are NeoLiberal and Democrat's apologists that I dislike.

Posted by: OJS | Jan 27 2017 20:06 utc | 18

karlof1 , thanks for added comment. Still not sure if the news is real, must wait if other alternate news or Trumps team further comments.

BTW I still don't trust Trump. I had just concluded Trump is a bit of the Clintons, GW Bush and Obomo and another warmonger

Posted by: OJS | Jan 27 2017 20:15 utc | 19

Here's a possible explanation for the walk-back on moving the embassy to Jerusalem:

Over the past year, Israel has been developing closer security and intelligence-sharing ties with Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Qatar in the face of Iran’s growing influence in the region. Moving the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem could spark popular protests in those countries that might force their leaders to curtail those exchanges. . . . 1/25/17
So, how can one tell if that argument makes any sense or not?
Well, the author is Jonathan Broder, who has been writing about the region since the 1980s, and after doing some digging, it looks like he's somewhat honest about where ISIS comes from, so that's a good sign:
Because Assad is supported by Iran, Sunni officials and wealthy patrons in Turkey and the Persian Gulf emirates began funneling money and weapons to the rebels; they saw them as defenders of the Sunni heartland against Iranian Shiite proxies. Before long, the Iraqi militants established an identity separate from Al-Qaeda, calling themselves the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, or ISIS.

But, @9 above, the "factoid" system looks like it's at work here, since in the same story Broder repeats the claim that "Assad used chemical weapons against civilians" without qualification: 2015/07/03/isis-george-w-bush-barack-obama
For them to admit this though? They'd have to admit that the entire episode was a deliberate propaganda effort to promote a NATO strike on Syria that they participated in. That, the media won't admit to. It's too revealing.

So the rule is, don't trust anything you see in mass media without further investigation, and even then, it's probably only part of the truth. It's also clear that neocons and neoliberals in government are sure to lie through their teeth about their true agendas, every time, without fail.

Posted by: nonsense factory | Jan 27 2017 20:23 utc | 20

Theresa May’s US speech – A commentary

As Americans know, the United Kingdom is by instinct and history a great, global nation that recognises its responsibilities to the world.

So as we rediscover our confidence together – as you renew your nation just as we renew ours – we have the opportunity – indeed the responsibility – to renew the Special Relationship for this new age. We have the opportunity to lead, together, again.

Because the world is passing through a period of change – and in response to that change we can either be passive bystanders, or we can take the opportunity once more to lead. And to lead together.

So we – our two countries together – have a responsibility to lead. Because when others step up as we step back, it is bad for America, for Britain and the world.

It is in our interests – those of Britain and America together – to stand strong together to defend our values, our interests and the very ideas in which we believe.

[W]hen the world demands leadership, it is this alliance of values and interests – this Special Relationship between two countries – that ... enters the arena ... to strive valiantly and know the triumph of high achievement.

tory cheerleader performs for republicans with pom-poms for empire. tee-rump's mum would have approved.

Posted by: jfl | Jan 27 2017 20:25 utc | 21

I want to direct everyone's attention to a disturbing article on DEBKA--supposedly the "voice of Israeli intelligence". It proposes carving up Syria in to "safe zones"--1 along the Israeli/Lebanese border, one along the Iraqi border--controlled by the US---one along the coast controlled by Russia--and one along the Turkish border controlled by Turkey. If any of this proves to be true it answers the question of how much influence Israel will have in a Trump Administration—maximum influence. So much for ending the US as an “occupying power” or putting the interests of the US first. This is very "Yinon Plan" creating “weak statelets”, very damaging to the territorial integrity of Syria, a continuation of the plan to end the so called “Shia crescent” as a way to weaken Iran. This would mean US boots on the ground in Syria, lots of boots, and putting the US front and center in an effort to exclude Iran and Hezbollah from Syria.

Posted by: Syvia | Jan 27 2017 20:28 utc | 22


You may like UK Column News in YouTube which I watches everyday, 1-hr long video mainly on UK social services plus EU, UK defences, bit of Vanessa Beeley. Yesterday 26 January 2017, Vanessa Beeley reported on Aleppo updates.

Again, no website MoA need to find themselves.

Posted by: OJS | Jan 27 2017 20:32 utc | 23

Trumps defense minister seems like real neocon,

US defense secretary to Europe: US committed to NATO

Why does Trump accept these stupid warmongers? It goes against his alleged foreign policies.

Friggin pathetic to see european leaders whine and warmonger at a time when Trump SEEK BETTER RELATIONS with Russia. What the hell is wrong with these people?

Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 27 2017 20:38 utc | 24

@Syvia | Jan 27, 2017 3:28:31 PM | 22

DEBKA is a fake news site by Israel.
I can confirm 100%.

Since 2013 I was conned at least 3 times when they posted China's Liaoing aircraft carrier was seen in Syrians port and passing Suez channel

Posted by: OJS | Jan 27 2017 20:45 utc | 25

I didn't explain the DEBKA article (from 22 above) very well. It claims to be an exclusive report of a deal struck between the US and Russia to establish "safe zones" in Syria--effectively turning over military control of the country.
"This scheme will transfer military control of the country to those three powers. Each of them will be responsible for a zone whose borders will be defined and agreed upon by Washington, Moscow and Ankara."
"As part of this arrangement, all forces from the Iranian military, the pro-Iranian Shiite militias and Hizballah will be required to leave Syria."

Posted by: Syvia | Jan 27 2017 20:46 utc | 26

jdmckay @11:

Uhhh... 1984 has jumped to #1 on Amazon's best seller list since DT's inauguration.... driving people to read 1984 is pretty extreme stuff.
Well, the media reported the jump in sales/reprinting as though it was sparked directly by Kellyanne Conway's "alternative facts" comment.

If the Democratic faithful are so concerned about tyranny, they should call out media distortions like that.

It's difficult to ignore (though you've chosen to) that Amazon's Bezos owns the Washington Post, which has been very anti-Trump. I don't trust Amazon's self-reporting.

"draining the swamp"
This appears to be another term that has been distorted so as to raise the bar to an impossibly high level. IMO what Trump means by this is that he will put an end to foreign lobbying for policies that weaken America.

Trump ego issues and secrecy are definitely concerns. The undermine confidence in the Administration and they give his opponents an easy target.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 27 2017 20:51 utc | 27

OJS@23 - What's with the 'no posting websites' comment? Did I miss something?

Your SyrianPerspective quote:


UK Column YouTube channel here.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Jan 27 2017 20:57 utc | 28


Where is this "ego" of Trump you are talking about?

Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 27 2017 20:59 utc | 29

@nonsense factory: I agree with your argument that the media participated in a deliberate propaganda effort and is unlikely to admit that. I would add that by not critically reporting on acts of this type that lead to deaths, they encourage the carrying out of these acts by those that know from experience that the U.S. Government and its parrots in the press will blame the acts on the desired enemy without regard to the facts. Thus, they participate in terrorism.

Posted by: Dwight | Jan 27 2017 21:07 utc | 30

Anonymous @29

Well, I'm no expert but in Trump it's likely to be found where his huuuge prostate rubs against his low-energy bladder - causing a tenderness that in the 'ego' such that it is easily bruised by small hands and empty spaces.

Hope that helps.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 27 2017 21:16 utc | 31

@Syvia | Jan 27, 2017 3:46:48 PM | 26 b,

I dun want to drag your comment but to tell you anything from DEBKAFILE is fake. Period.

Since the beginning Ukraine to Syria debacles was conned too many times. Finally spend hrs with search engines DuckDuckGo and StartPage. Checked and cross checked to original sources. Every stories from Sputnik, The Truthseeker (UK), Shadowproof and many Alternate website originated from DEBKAFILE were fake.

Using Liaoning aircraft carrier as a basic of my search. I believe Liaoning just competed sea trial and in no position deployed to a war zone in Syria. DEBKAFILE even said China send troops and in Syria. Sorrie can't remember where I read it, but damn sure it was originated from DEBKAFILE

Posted by: OJS | Jan 27 2017 21:22 utc | 32

@ Syvia

Debka is MOSSAD's disinformation channel. This idea is a wet dream for them, which wont happen. Even is Russia would agree to that (doubtfully), Syria-Iran-Iraq-Lebanon would be dead set against it. Trump wouldnt want to commit an entire army required for it either.

Posted by: Harry | Jan 27 2017 21:23 utc | 33


No it doesnt, why play along with this fakenews against him?

Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 27 2017 21:24 utc | 34

Syvia@22 - It's kind of like Jack said in @25, but the site isn't entirely useless. It reliably telegraphs the wishful thinking of the rabid Likudnik leadership in Israel. Or rather what they wish you and I would think about something.

They are especially pissed about Wadi Barada right now (among other things) as this is seen as positive for Hezbollah. The route through Wadi Barada to Lebanon is difficult for Israel to keep an eye on 24x7, so they are intensely interested in it not returning to government control. It's the usual paranoia about weapons smuggling, etc. They also don't like Iran/Hezbollah's contributions to recent successes of the Syrian Army and want to see any Iranian influence in Syria, period.

The 'Russia supports' part is pure BS. It's in Russia's interest to have a secure and stable Syria. That will never happen with foreign-controlled terrorist safe-zones on permanently porous borders, and Russia will never support that scheme. Erdogan want's to prolong the Syrian war and continues to support head-choppers, but also wants to get rid of all the Syrian refugees on its soil. He can't have it both ways. Everyone knows that and no negotiations are going to change anything. If Turkey doesn't 'allow' moderate head-choppers and groups like al Zinki and al Nusra to lose, then the refugees are staying in Turkey.

There has been subtle U.S./GCC/Israeli pressure on the U.N. to force Syrian refugees into new Syrian-based refugee camps (moving them out of Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan). The U.N. isn't too excited about that and would just as soon the refugees go back to their home cites in Syria, not shuffled to another internment camp. The idea of housing foreign head-chopper refugees on Syrian soil until they can be carted off to western Europe or the U.S. is preposterous.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Jan 27 2017 21:24 utc | 35

@PavewayIV | Jan 27, 2017 3:57:03 PM | 28

Sorrie, try to comply b wish and banned. :-)

Thanks for " SyrianPerspective".

Update UK Column News website. website.

Posted by: OJS | Jan 27 2017 21:26 utc | 36

Syvia @ 22:

If DEBKA is the "voice of Israeli intelligence", what makes you think Israeli intelligence is any more accurate or truthful than the CIA or other US intel agencies that kept insisting on and pushing the narrative of Russian hacking of the US presidential elections even when they had no evidence of such interference?

What was Mossad's former slogan again in its English translation - "By deception thou shalt do war"?

Posted by: Jen | Jan 27 2017 21:31 utc | 37

@22 Syvia..more garbage from debka... well, at least we are on topic with 'fake' news!

i agree with everyone else here, lol..

Posted by: james | Jan 27 2017 21:41 utc | 38

What? the BEEB ..'Orwellian?! Well...mostly. 'perfidious Albion' a culture of the Lie. 
Orwell recognized the patterns. Identified a central truth. All 'in reverse' of course, as 'fake news' is. That reversal allows 
Trump’s joining the GWOT as “holy crusade” against 'radical Islam.' A radical Islam earlier versions of Trump facilitated and deployed as proxy. He can call Muslims a threat to Christianity and Western civilization as he likes. CIA appointee, Mike Pompeo, considers this a “War between Islam and Christianity.” Yeah. Right Mike. At who's stead? Who created this war between Islam and Christianity? I mean, can no-one say 'the 3rd point of the star' and "911" to Donald? He's a steel framed high rise builder in NYC. Don't tell me no-one in the industry hasn't whispered in his ear 'Free Fall' Steel frame' and 'Office Furnishings Fires' is quintessentially 'Orwellian.' 
The entire purpose of the 911hate crime was to create the war on Islam. Utilizing Islam as tool for neocon/deepstate expansion. Global hegemony/full spectrum dominance/R2P/P2OG/GLADIO/YINON etfkncetra. War by deception, and all that jazz. Trump is just the next 'variation on a theme'. Orwell's post WWII polarity reversals identify an essential secret, and central proponent, as the center of resistance. 
Prosecute that hate crime, and the 'civilized world' just might have a chance.

Posted by: rm | Jan 27 2017 21:45 utc | 39

Hi MoAs,

Syvia, is a newbie and dunno fake from real news. I sincere believe
DEBKAFILE is a "disinformation" if not a fake site by Mossad and it's cronies.

PavewayIV express correctly: "but the site isn't entirely useless. It reliably telegraphs the wishful thinking of the rabid Likudnik leadership in Israel. Or rather what they wish you and I would think about something.

Thank you, PavewayIV! :-)

OJS ->The Original Jack Smith

Posted by: OJS | Jan 27 2017 21:51 utc | 40

I don't think Dr. Assad would object to US safe zones in Syria provided they are in Alexandretta and Hadbatu I-Jawlan and the US ensures that these areas are returned to Syria once they are no longer needed as safe areas for refugees.

Posted by: Albertde | Jan 27 2017 22:06 utc | 41

The brazen nature of reporting up is down and left is right really is getting quite brazen!

Posted by: PVP | Jan 27 2017 22:07 utc | 42

Jackrabbit @ 27

Well, the media reported the jump in sales/reprinting as though it was sparked directly by Kellyanne Conway's "alternative facts" comment.

Maybe that is because, to a certain extent it was? From The Guardian:

The Amazon best seller list is updated hourly so it can swiftly track a surge in a book's popularity. A spokesman for Signet Classics which currently publishes 1984 said sales have increased almost 10,000 percent since the inauguration and moved noticeably upwards on Sunday. That's when Counselor to the President Kellyanne Conway appeared on Meet the Press. When host Chuck Todd challenged the Trump administration's assertions about the size of the Inauguration Day crowd, Conway responded by saying that the administration had " alternative facts."

So as I said, big jump was after inauguration. Media didn't generate this, citizens responses to what they've seen from DT's 1st week did.

And not just Orwell: of particular note "Origins of Totalitarianism" (great book!!!) as well.

It's difficult to ignore (though you've chosen to) that Amazon's Bezos owns the Washington Post, which has been very anti-Trump. I don't trust Amazon's self-reporting.

I didn't ignore it: other major online book vendors have reported same huge jump. I just note cynicism taken hold in such a big way Amazon's best seller list is not believed. :(

"draining the swamp"

This appears to be another term that has been distorted so as to raise the bar to an impossibly high level. IMO what Trump means by this is that he will put an end to foreign lobbying for policies that weaken America.

Most of electorate took it to mean cleaning house in D.C. Trump was explicit about this on campaign trail, and it was openly discussed everywhere for months. He was talking about D.C., Congressional leaders, and WH appointees. I'll hold the links wrt B's new link policy.

Just his constant going after Hillary for ties to Goldman Sachs alone... Trump's appointed more of them then any president in history, by far. Israel announced approval of 2,500 new housing units in the West Bank just two days after he spoke with President Trump. DT's declaration over 3m illegal votes cost him the popular vote. Rick Perry (geezus)... and you didn't comment on his cabinet's approval testimony wrt medicare/SS, very long records wanting to dismantle and privatize.

We had the same clamor for "give 'em time" when GWB first started appointing these kinds of people, and it turned into a disaster... utterly, and we still haven't recovered.

As has best dicussed everywhere including MoA, Trump rode to victory by tapping into discontent amongst disaffected blue collar America. Privatizing roads, move health care to private accounts (or whatever old scheme they pull out), dismantling EPA are NOT what he sold them.

I think you are ignoring a lot.

Right now, Trump looks like a blitzkrieg to me, on multiple fronts.

Trump ego issues and secrecy are definitely concerns. The undermine confidence in the Administration and they give his opponents an easy target.

More to the point, it undermines his own integrity... and nobody has much without it.

Posted by: jdmckay | Jan 27 2017 22:08 utc | 43

I call it "assuming facts into existence." People think they have moved on and yet the MSM usual suspects will throw something into an article as if it's an absolute truth that everyone agrees with ... even after it's been disputed or discredited. It reinforces the agenda/narrative for the sheeple and they become adamant about anything to the contrary.

Posted by: Curtis | Jan 27 2017 22:09 utc | 44

OJS | Jan 27, 2017 3:06:19 PM | 18

I will take your advocacy under advisement. I've been disheartened of late by the news transcripted there as I can't watch the videos - when I could, indeed they were excellent. I agree with you on Thom Hartmann - he disappointed me when he was on radio back in the day.

I hasten to say RT was my only 'news feed' - I do not watch tv news, any of it, or radio. I go to linked articles, sites online and that keeps me as busy as reading a newspaper or magazine used to do. And of course, this site and commenters is wonderful, goes without saying.

Posted by: juliania | Jan 27 2017 22:19 utc | 45

Interesting press conference. One got the feeling these two get on very well. May appears to be, as she says, the total opposite of the Donald and…

“the contrast between her style and that of David Cameron and Tony Blair could not be greater. She is barely known by Tory MPs; she rarely circulates at Westminster drinks parties; she has no celebrity friends or hangers-on. She has no tight clique of advisers and she has already declared there will be no “sofa government”, favoured by her predecessors” (George Pascoe-Watson).

So the shy, retiring side to May needed the Donald just as he needs that 20 years of serious political experience to consult about stuff and that reputation for extreme caution. There is something genuine about Theresa May, despite other stuff. The guy in the security booth at the entrance to my work said: “Is it okay to like Jeremy Corbyn and Theresa May or is that nuts?” I said no, I don’t think so.

Posted by: Lochearn | Jan 27 2017 22:23 utc | 46

jdmckay @43

Here's what Slate had to say about a similar spike in sales of '1984' was reported by MSM in 2013:

It would be gratifying to think that millions of Americans are spontaneously flocking to the book to help them make sense of the recent revelations about the NSA's wide-ranging digital surveillance programs. No doubt a few are.

But before you conclude that this sales spike represents some sort of national intellectual awakening, keep in mind that we're talking percentages here. This particular edition of the book might only sell a few copies in an average day, so a sudden appeal to a few thousand buyers could account for a drastic jump.

And in fact, there is at least one concerted activist campaign asking people to buy the book and send it to their representatives in Washington. Other editions have seen more modest sales gains, on the order of 200 to 300 percent

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 27 2017 22:51 utc | 47

Of course the BBC is Orwellian. Orwell based Nineteen Eighty-Four to a large extent on his experiences writing propaganda for the India Service of the BBC during World War Two. The original Room 101 was Room 101 in the BBC's Broadcasting House in which Orwell had to sit through tedious meetings.

Posted by: lysias | Jan 27 2017 22:53 utc | 48

It seems likely that O'Brien was modeled on Brendan Bracken, Churchill's Minister of Information, under whom Orwell served.

Posted by: lysias | Jan 27 2017 22:58 utc | 49

The "spreading democracy" cover was only meant to give aggression and invasion the illusion of respectability. If the US/UK were to dispense with the illusion and say openly the motive for war is pure theft, it would be impossible to gain any kind of support from abroad and would give pause even to the armed forces in this country. Soldiers don't want to believe they are killing people to steal their stuff.

And obviously, they can't say they are going to war to implement a Yinon plan on Israel's behalf. So it is either stop wars or fight them under the same bogus cover.

Posted by: Lysander | Jan 27 2017 23:10 utc | 50

"Soldiers don't want to believe they are killing people to steal their stuff." (@50)


Try "War Is A Racket" By Major General Smedley Butler

Quote from "Smedley Butler on Interventionism"
(Excerpt from a speech delivered in 1933, by Major General Smedley Butler,

War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that
is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small inside group
knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the
expense of the masses.

I believe in adequate defense at the coastline and nothing else. If a nation
comes over here to fight, then we'll fight. The trouble with America is that
when the dollar only earns 6 percent over here, then it gets restless and goes
overseas to get 100 percent. Then the flag follows the dollar and the soldiers
follow the flag.

I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of
the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense
of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is
simply a racket.

There isn't a trick in the racketeering bag that the military gang is blind
to. It has its "finger men" to point out enemies, its "muscle men" to destroy
enemies, its "brain men" to plan war preparations, and a "Big Boss" Super-

-end quote-

Posted by: x | Jan 27 2017 23:40 utc | 51


Yes really. Recruiters have to spin a yarn of fighting for freedom. Talking about stealing from victims (with the money all going to someone else) is not going to be very appealing to potential soldiers.

They pretty much have to stick with the lie.

Posted by: Lysander | Jan 27 2017 23:44 utc | 52


I agree this safe zones pending executive order is really troubling. Trump is stupid if he thinks he can disregard Syrian sovereignty with an executive order. I too see heavy-handed Zionist influence in this plan. This plan is basically a disaster in the making even without Zionist, Turkish and U.S. occupation. And if this is the plan: what happens if there is escalation by either the Zionist side with Hezbollah or the U.S. against Russia for reasons having to do with NATO in Eastern Europe or Ukraine? In other words the zone controlled by Russia would be flanked by the forces of two NATO countries on one side and Zionists on the other. How convenient! This is definitely Zionist geopolitical engineering.

I'm not buying that Trump isn't considering such a plan. He just said in the ABC interview: I'll absolutely do safe zones in Syria. Notice he said zones; plural. These are Trump's own words; not fake news.

This is not the first time he's made this comment, and it's not that he gives a damn about the Syrian refugees either! He's been proposing this idea for OVER A YEAR. Do the freaking research; it's in his speeches! First he was proposing that the Gulf States, the Saudis should secure these zones, but I'm convinced that he's been strategizing this plan with Zionists and it's evolving. The reason he's giving it more time is because he needs Defense and State to look at all the angles; ergo the 90 days.

The fake zio-goebbel propaganda excuse will be humanitarian: to repatriate the poor Syrian refugees; while the real goal will be permanent occupation of Syria to satisfy Zionists. And why wouldn't Turkey jump at the chance to get rid of the burden the refugees represent and control a part of Syria? And considering that Turkey has been getting closer to Russia; this would draw Turkey back to the NATO fold.

Zionists are salivating for this kind of outcome and just as they were the primary influence behind the invasion of Iraq during the Bush administration; they are engineering this plan behind the scenes with Trump who was harping on safe zones for over a year. Permanent occupation of Syria by the Zio-Empire to satisfy Zionists' need to control the Middle East was always the goal; completely excluding Iran to weaken Iranian influence in Syria and Iraq was the goal in Clean Break, with the added benefit of flanking Russian forces to contain Russian influence and contain and neuter Hezbollah, which are proving to be a formidable fighting force. What could be more perfect for them?

And Trump probably thinks he can lure Putin into accepting this by pretending they'll be fighting ISIS together in Syria and pretending he's such a humanitarian do-gooder. Trump can go to hell! The moment the U.S. military enters Syria under the guise of hunting down ISIS; Syrian sovereignty is undermined for good. The Russians invited the U.S. to Astana and instead Trump is having his safe-zones executive order worked out with Defense.

This stinks Zio-empire.

This plan is a recipe for war with Lebanon and Iran and maybe even Iraq and a potential threat for Russia as well.

Who the hell do Zionists think they are plotting to carve up a sovereign nation with permanent occupation? They screwed over the Palestinians and now they want Syria too? And I suppose then they'll start running pipelines through Syria as well that benefit the U.S. and Israel and Trump can finally get his wish and steal Iraqi oil! So Russia, Iran, and Iraq routing Wahhabi terrorists and ISIS do all the heavy lifting and Zionist f...kers get control. Safe zones for the Syrian people, my ass; Trump can go create his safe zones in Chicago sending in the Feds; see if the people of Illinois accept.

Putin better not fall for anything Trump-con is selling.

Posted by: Circe | Jan 27 2017 23:58 utc | 53

Talking about Fake News, News doesn't get much faker than the Doomsday Clock/Crock which the Bulletin Of Concerned Scientists, edited by anaemic, bespectacled panic-merchant, Rachel Bronson has been told to 'reset' to 2.5 minutes to Midnight and pull out of her ass, by the Deep State's Swamp-dwellers.
Trump's definitely got 'em rattled.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 28 2017 0:01 utc | 54

ALberto @17--

Very close to being correct. Unfortunately, universal suffrage is not the norm for all 50 states and those territories allowed to vote. Furthermore, too many elections attract fewer than 50% of the potential electorate which mars the election's legitimacy. The 2000 Judicial Coup went a long way to finally delegitimize the United States and legitimize at long last the Darkside entity known as the Outlaw US Empire, especially given the subsequent events.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 28 2017 0:01 utc | 55

US 'safe zones' in Syria? Not sure what he means by this. Possibly just a distracting bone thrown at the military complex to chew on while other things progress: "Squirrel!"

The ever changing narrative is always about contesting Syrian sovereignty and borders. "Assad must go" is now "Syria must be partitioned". Cui bono?

Three issues seem related to this need to 'do something' in Syria: shut down Obama's failed Saudi funded Wahhabi terrorism project; find a 'safe place' to dump European based refugees; and create "another chance" to steal the oil 'interests'.

Syria is a Russian protectorate and nothing will happen without their agreement.

Syria will rebuild quickly (and no doubt China will assist) however, it looks like the UN is on its last legs. Trump's threat to defund it should not be dismissed too quickly.

What Trump should be focused on is fixing the mess in Libya that Madame Clinton created.

Posted by: x | Jan 28 2017 0:04 utc | 56

re DT's draft 'safe spaces' order; we are told it directs Pentagon to conduct a 90 day review. in bureaucratese; a Pentagon "review" does not mean that DT has yet sold out Syria - a lot can happen in 90 days and DT may also know he needs to cya with the lunatic Sen. from Az watching his every move re Russia.

Posted by: Marnie | Jan 28 2017 0:15 utc | 57

This article may explain a lot

Now if we can just find out where sociopaths are on the smart continuum?

Posted by: Cabeza del Toro | Jan 28 2017 0:26 utc | 58

1. Circe the anti-Zionist responds seriously to DEBKA report.

2. Then warns that

"Putin better not fall for anything Trump-con is selling"
after having said earlier today that:
"I'm kind of dying to see how Putin ends up playing Trump; because he is playing him".

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 28 2017 0:27 utc | 59


We may disagreed on some minor matters, this time AMEN!

Posted by: OSJ | Jan 28 2017 0:43 utc | 60

how about designated safe zones in the usa? would be good if some amerikkkan politician could issue that somewhere in a usa inner city after 10pm, lol..

Posted by: james | Jan 28 2017 1:50 utc | 61


Sure Putin's playing him; because he knows that Trump is a megalomaniac fool who is ego-driven. So up to now; he's played to his ego and it worked to buy him more time to scramble the Empire's momentum.

If it were just Trump calling the shots; Putin would run circles around him, cause Trump's an imbecile and neophyte on the foreign policy stage, however his devious Zionist handlers like Kissinger are the ones Putin should be wary of as they're surely devising a deal with unforeseen long-range ruinous consequences that Trump will sell in the guise of detente.

Trump can't cook up foreign policy strategy on his own...he can't see further than his nose on foreign policy. You of course, miss my point because you see Trump as his own man; while I see him as 110% Zionist owned, and Zionists are always scheming geopolitically in their think tanks. Trump is but the perfect tool to sell a duplicitous con; that's all he is.

Trump sold himself to the Rust belt and Appalachia promising the bring back steel and coal i.e. pie in the sky. It's that talent that made him the deep state's choice. Putin will be lured with an enticing offer that is programmed to delay the negative intent built into it. I'm just hoping Putin sees that there's a long-range set-up to whatever Trump is commissioned to sell him.

Posted by: Circe | Jan 28 2017 1:55 utc | 62

DEBKA ? Hah, what a Hoot! Consistently E5 (Admiralty code)

However sometimes the #Fake news does let slip in amongst all the co-ordinated narrative & rants:

Terry Glavin: While Trump rants about ratings and crowds, autocrats make their plans

... Now that Donald Trump is finally ripping up the remaining terms of an American-insured global economic order that had lasted nearly 70 years, we shouldn’t have expected that it would have all gone out with a whimper. Even so, what a very, very loud bang. It’s perfectly understandable, then, that not much attention was drawn last week to a freight train that put in at London’s Barking Station.

The train’s terminus in London ended a journey of 28,000 kilometres that had begun 18 days earlier in the Chinese city of Yiwu, in the coastal province of Zhejiang. Carrying an otherwise unexceptional assortment of electronics, clothes, bags and household items in 68 containers, the train had passed through Kazakhstan, Russia, Belarus, Poland, Germany, Belgium and France, and finally through the Channel Tunnel to Britain.

The train was the first of its kind to reach Britain in the $3 trillion “One Belt, One Road” project that Chinese President Xi Jinping began punching through Central Asia in 2013. Starting with a rail link to Tehran, the network now takes in 39 rail lines connecting 16 Chinese cities with a dozen European cities. It’s 30 days faster than by sea and a fifth of the cost of air freight.


William Browder, the Hermitage Capital Management co-founder and human rights champion(WTF?!), was not so sanguine about China replacing the United States as the principal guardian of a global economic infrastructure that began with the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade in 1947


Bold & Italics inside brackets my insert.

PS William Felix Browder (born 23 April 1964) is the Chief Executive Officer and co-founder of the investment fund Hermitage Capital Management and noted critic of Vladimir Putin.

And IMV a major corporate parasite & Oligarch crook of the first order.

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 28 2017 2:10 utc | 63

Reminds me of that story in Mad Magazine: My Husband Forced Me to Live in Sin, p12. You turn to page 12 and read "Sin, Arizona is a small town outside of Flagstaff where my husband was posted after a stint in Denver..."

Posted by: ruralito | Jan 28 2017 3:35 utc | 64

Great analysis b! Tweeted ...

Posted by: fairleft | Jan 28 2017 4:33 utc | 65

Trump's and his team's cyber security awareness.

He is as old as Clinton and as fluent as her about information technology.

Safe zones in Syria... How would that delay the Iranian pipeline and promote, renew prospects of a Qatari one from the Russian perspective is probably the key issue.

Posted by: ThatDamnGood | Jan 28 2017 5:15 utc | 66

Just another stick (News?) to beat Trump-faction with ?

Trump’s Holocaust Memorial Day statement mentions Nazis — but not Jews or anti-Semitism

President Donald Trump issued a statement Friday on Holocaust Memorial Day that referred to “Nazi terror” — but not Jews or anti-Semitism.

It is with a heavy heart and somber mind that we remember and honor the victims, survivors, and heroes of the Holocaust,” read the statement from the White House Press Office. “It is impossible to fully fathom the depravity and horror inflicted on innocent people by Nazi terror.”

The omission was noted as conspicuous by Jonathan Greenblatt, the CEO of the Anti-Defamation League.


Previous White House statements marking the observance mentioned Jews and anti-Semitism, and Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau drew criticism last year when he neglected to mention both in his own statement.


Trudeau quickly and publicly corrected his omission, and Rosenberg hoped Trump would do the same.


Posted by: Outraged | Jan 28 2017 5:31 utc | 67

Trump needs moderating on the environment, on the police, and on the war on terror. Trump needs to understand that “the Muslim threat” is a hoax created by the neoconservatives and the military/security complex with the complicity of the presstitutes to serve the hegemony agenda and the budget and power of the CIA, Pentagon, and military industries. If the US stops bombing and slaughtering Muslims and training and equiping forces to overthrow non-compliant Muslim governments such as Syria, Iraq, and Libya, “the Muslim threat” will disappear.
Paul Craig Roberts

Posted by: mauisurfer | Jan 28 2017 5:54 utc | 68

Update comments:

More searches on "safe zones" every website I regularly visited suggest "safe zones" are "no-fly zones" with the exception Ziad Fadel SyrianPerspective.

Posted by: OJS | Jan 27, 2017 2:31:01 PM | 13

"The second message has to do with Trump’s willingness to help the Syrian government to control the out-flux of refugees by establishing a “safe zone” for Syrians in areas controlled by either the Syrian Army or the Russian Air Force. I have been informed that Dr. Assad has accepted this kind of benign interference as long as it was coordinated with the Syrian government."

Who were faking safe zone, Ziad Fadel - SyrianPerspective and the rest or maybe b is correct?

“Another fake news item currently circling is that Trump has given order to the military to create safe zones for Syria. The reality is still far from it:”

We will know sooner or later after Tulsi Gabbard meet Trump.

Posted by: OSJ | Jan 28 2017 6:17 utc | 69

Outraged | Jan 28, 2017 12:31:05 AM | 67

Full White House statement here

This will give the goddess of sorcery headaches.

Posted by: Peter AU | Jan 28 2017 6:55 utc | 70

@juliania | Jan 27, 2017 1:30:32

Do not fret too much about RT's reporting, do not loose you health over it.

The current state of confusion has its purpose, and you can figure it out if you realize that Hitlary believed 150% in her win to the very end.

Let's call it "noble confusion" paraphrasing Plato's concept...

Posted by: ProPeace | Jan 28 2017 7:53 utc | 71


All that you posted there: utterly delusional.


If the US stops bombing and slaughtering Muslims and training and equiping forces to overthrow non-compliant Muslim governments such as Syria, Iraq, and Libya, “the Muslim threat” will disappear.

Gosh, silly me, here I was under the impression that that's exactly what the U.S. did in Libya and especially Syria - equip the rebel forces to overthrow as in attempt a coup.

Methinks we should stop trying to moderate what is clearly still an agent of the Empire in a guise other than Neocon which has lost its popularity with the oh-so dumb mass.

Posted by: Circe | Jan 28 2017 8:05 utc | 72

Regarding the last part of this article: values wars vs interests wars. Tomayto; Tomahto same difference.

This is the Empire fudging the lingo to make the next invasion appear like it's going to benefit the working servitude somehow and make it more profitable therefore more, palatable.

However all along values were fronting the long-term interests of the wealthy and powerful that run the Empire when fear was the driving force rallying the masses to send their children off to fight for freedom against those that want to destroy us and what we stand for. But now that Bin-Laden is dead and AQ somewhat contained and ISIS has more enemies than it can count and even some enemies of the Empire are fighting it; the values excuse isn't a good enough cover for the geopolitical strategy and interests of the powerful, as the masses weary of living from paycheck to paycheck need to feel like they have a worthwhile stake in all these wars and not just the financial burden their children, grandchildren and great grandchildren will be forced to carry forward.

So why Syria?

So yes, regime change was planned against Syria (as well as Iraq, Libya, Lebanon, Somalia, Sudan and Iran) 20 years ago.

And yes, attacking Syria weakens its close allies Iran and Russia … and indirectly China.

But Syria’s central role in the Arab gas pipeline is also a key to why it is now being targeted.

Just as the Taliban was scheduled for removal after they demanded too much in return for the Unocal pipeline, Syria’s Assad is being targeted because he is not a reliable “player”.

Specifically, Turkey, Israel and their ally the U.S. want an assured flow of gas through Syria, and don’t want a Syrian regime which is not unquestionably loyal to those 3 countries to stand in the way of the pipeline … or which demands too big a cut of the profits.

Map Arab Gas Pipeline

Here's a few other interests Zionists have in Syria; that Trump no doubt was made aware of and that will ensure he doesn't hand the entire farm over to Russia and Assad.

The Israeli government claims that the Golan Heights is a strategic territory for Israel’s security, but it is also a fact that a third of Israel’s water supplies comes from the occupied territory. It is also important to note that 25% of Israeli wines are produced in the Golan Heights and between 30-50% of certain fruits and vegetable are also grown in the occupied territory. Water in the Middle East is similar to the value of gold since water is becoming a scarce commodity.

Oil is another commodity just discovered in the Golan Heights. According to RT news, a 2015 report by an Israeli business website ( ) said that a discovery of oil in the Golan Heights will make Israel “self sufficient.”

Therefore, water, a precious resource in that area; fertile land, that Israel lusts after continuously and oil notwithstanding the pipeline Israel needs to effectively exploit the 2nd largest gas market in the world the EU are interests Zionists will not surrender.

After concluding the flow testing phase, Afek Oil and Gas will now begin analyzing samples drawn from the Ness-2 drilling site, euphemistically dubbed “Deborah’s Well,” in the Israeli-occupied region of Syria known as the Golan Heights. New Jersey-based Genie Energy, Ltd., Afek’s parent company, claims a dubious cadre of investors cum war profiteers, including Rupert Murdoch, Dick Cheney, Lord Jacob Rothschild, former CIA director James Woolsey — as well as a number of current and former U.S. politicians.

Zionists are heavily invested in Syria which leads me to conclude that the plan to partition Syria into safe zones has already been devised by Zionists to secure their needs while making it appear that their role is only for security purposes to contain Hezbollah. The issue is how to implement the plan they conceived? Is this the same safe zones plan that Trump instructed his Mad Dog Defense Chief and BIG OIL chief at state to look into? Will their strategy be similar or different?

Regardless, whatever the safe zone plan looks like, the humanitarian values excuse will provide the front for all these interests as Syria is a bone Netanyahu won't release and Trump will secure the interests of his powerful masters one way or another pretending it's in the best interests of the Syrian people above all to return them to their home. Trump's words: they wanna go home to their country and I understand that. So he's going to look like the magnanimous humanitarian rescuing the refugees from an uncertain, dismal fate, and Syria will be occupied on the pretext that these safe zones must be protected for this humanitarian cause. Of course; Assad won't be part of the safe-zone equation, because he'll never accept this Zionist occupation plan. One only has to look at the Palestinian territories to understand what Zionist occupation really means: theft, no sovereignty and permanent military occupation.

In the end we have the same zio-imperial agenda that previous administrations catered to. New boss; old boss -- same difference.

Don't you just hate that tweet Trump posted on Chelsea Manning? True colors shining through....

Posted by: Circe | Jan 28 2017 8:18 utc | 73

Great catch on the May war-mongering - it seems the Brutish Empire cabal wants to maintain its death grip on the world, now with the mask off. The titles about "non-interventions" were introduced to confuse the public - typical of the "Perfidious Albion". Thus I find it comforting that the chief of staff of the US forces in Europe is German.

@jfl thanks for further examples of the Brutish Empire blatant threats against the world.

Expect more fake news from Fecesbrook:

Media Matters Says It’s Fighting ‘Fake News’ With Facebook ‘Behind the Scenes’

@juliana one more thing - whenever you read some confusing news from the "good guys" (e.g. RT, Trump) try to remember that the purpose of it is "not to startle the prey"...

Posted by: ProPeace | Jan 28 2017 8:19 utc | 74

Tucker Carlson Professor Stephen Cohen Warns US in Danger Must Partner with Russia

Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 28 2017 8:34 utc | 75

@ Posted by: OSJ | Jan 28, 2017 1:17:14 AM | 69

Trump call for 'safe zones' in Syria worrying start for new White House - (RT)
Does President Trump really believe the Syrian people or Russia would stand by while Washington attempts to impose “safe zones” on Syrian territory in violation of international law? To ask this question is to answer it...

@ Posted by: Peter AU | Jan 28, 2017 1:55:50 AM | 70

Not at all possible, mythological beings from antiquity don't get headaches, surely, nor wilful, deliberate ------

@ Posted by: ProPeace | Jan 28, 2017 2:53:51 AM | 71

And let us not forget. All the extended 'confusion' of Western Democratic(Vassal?) States Leaders/governments, who were also informed on the QT, that Hillary would win 150%, well ... in ... advance ... ;)

@ Posted by: Circe | Jan 27, 2017 8:55:13 PM | 62

Sure Putin's playing him ... Trump is a megalomaniac ... Trump's an imbecile and neophyte ... devious Zionist handlers ... surely devising a deal with unforeseen long-range ruinous consequences.

... I see him as 110% Zionist owned, and Zionists are always scheming geopolitically...

Trump ... the deep state's choice. Putin will be lured ... I'm just hoping Putin sees...

It is fairly obvious that key points/phrases/themes are selected, then inserted and woven into a 'constructed', ludicrously irrational self-contradictory diatribe. Why ... do ... you ... bother ?

Oh, and as opposed to your imaginary Zionists projections re your intentional dross, they 'created' the egregious theft that is 'The Jewish State of Israel(TJSI)' based on the crimes of terrorists, including the Lehi, Irgun, Haganah, Palmach. Including bank robberies, extortions, Embassy bombings including IRA style bombings & letter bombs in London, assassinations, murders, booby-trapping victims publicly displayed corpses, extensive use of IEDs against vehicles, murdering British prisoners/abductees, civilians, soldiers, British & UN officials, etc, from 1938-1948, especially '44-'48.

Hm, TJSI seems very similar in it's methods and rise, now enhanced by a shroud of faux sovereignty, also without recognized borders, to the ISIS 'mini-me' and hanger's on of today, no ?

Yet, now somehow 'reborn', as the only Democracy in the ME (NOT!), with the most moral (NOT!) army in the world created from the above terrorists & led by the above groups leaders, the IDF, fighting a supposed endless horde of 'labeled' 'terrorists'(Destitute dispossessed/occupied Palestinians!), whilst enabling & supporting Wahhabists ...

We started Dronings under Bush the Younger as a result of the cross-infection of the Israeli's policy creation/practice of 'Targeted Killings', you know, use an F-16 to drop a 1000lb bomb on an occupied apartment building, to take out one(1) guy, all a little more sophisticated these days, though no less 'collateral'. Israel does not even have a constitution, it still operates on the entirely endlessly malleable 'Basic Law' of the original British Mandate. But those are actual facts ... something your posts are not interested in, Yashar(?).

Perhaps you could enlighten us all, given your supposed extensive knowledge of 'Zionists', re the above ... In the Open Thread ?

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 28 2017 8:40 utc | 76


It is fairly obvious that key points/phrases/themes are selected, then inserted and woven into a 'constructed', ludicrously irrational self-contradictory diatribe. Why ... do ... you ... bother ?

Indeed, I just dont bother reading his posts anymore, its so obvious what hes trying to achive.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 28 2017 8:46 utc | 77

DATE OF MIRTH - British reporters locked out of Theresa May and Donald Trump press conference at the White House because Secret Service were confused about their dates of birth

(WH) Guards told UK press pack that they could not get in to landmark conference because of British day, month and year format ...

Always quality, in-depth investigative journalism from the UK's, 'The Sun'. Not.

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 28 2017 9:07 utc | 78

Yesterday in the news bulletin on a French gov radio, a single sentence about 'the EU says to the EU states that they should deal with the problem of unaccompanied migrant children who are victims of sexual abuse'

So when it is inside the EU it cannot be called rape, child trafficking, prostitution, organs harvest? That's only for the third world?

Posted by: Mina | Jan 28 2017 9:23 utc | 79

This is 100% true of today:

Bannon: "You Are The Opposition"

Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 28 2017 9:23 utc | 80


I know-I know. I'm not supposed to make Trump look bad cause he's gonna f...k up so much the Empire will never recover. Trump is like the neutron bomb that's going to obliterate ZioAnglo imperial dominance.

So let's play along with Trump; let's humor him and coddle his ego; let's make him look like the man-god whose babble has such hidden profound genius no ordinary mortal can decipher it's mystery until it's finally revealed by him the all-knowing - instead of the man-baby carrying a nuclear football that he really is.

The longer he stays; the greater the damage so why abort his mission? I'm fine with that. What bothers me is: why would the masters put such a bumbling idiot in charge? What's their plan? Don't they know he could unleash hell; division, chaos and a crashing decline?

The Empire's enemies are to be caught off guard by this neophyte leader who's fealty to the rulers is greater than Clinton, Bush and Obama put together.

Just let him be the one that unwittingly exposes the black abyss of U. S. government corruption (cause this redeeming outcome can only issue from his unmitigated stupidity; it won't be treason against the deep state; he's too much of a coward for that). That is what I live for; that moment when people see the treachery in living color; the thieves draining all their hard-earned treasure to benefit the select few. America first, my ass...and coal and steel too! Misery; your real name is blissful ignorance and that's all that Trump is out to achieve besides indulging his megalomania.

Posted by: Circe | Jan 28 2017 9:49 utc | 81

Clearly the Anti-Trump faction, including the co-ordinated Mega-Media-Corpses are simply just continuing to make crap up, out of whole cloth, to seize the narrative early and set the 'frame' of discussion of any policies. Unless something is a direct quote from a named official, as opposed to 'anonymous White House staffers', it's likely just fictional, same method was used re, 'Let's Torture/Waterboarding':

Trump orders Syrian refugee ban, military rebuild - (NO 'Safe Zones'!)

President Donald Trump signed an executive order on Friday indefinitely banning admission of people fleeing Syria, temporarily freezing the entry of other refugees and prohibiting entry by people from at least four majority-Muslim nations for 90 days.

... Absent from the order was a provision from a draft of the document, obtained by Bloomberg, requiring the Defense Department to make a plan to create "safe zones" in Syria and neighbouring countries for people fleeing the civil war.


Comparing: The Leaked Draft vs Final Executive Order Barring Citizens of 7 Muslim-Majority Nations and All Refugees - (Inludes PDF download links)


Safe zones in Syria

This entire section on creating safe zones for refugees in Syria was completely eliminated from the earlier draft. The draft had read:

Sec. 6. Establishment of Safe Zones to Protect Vulnerable Syrian Populations. Pursuant to the cessation of refugee processing for Syrian nationals, the Secretary of State, in conjunction with the Secretary of Defense, is directed within 90 days of the date of this order to produce a plan to provide safe areas in Syria and in the surrounding region in which Syrian nationals displaced from their homeland can await firm settlement, such as repatriation or potential third-country resettlement.

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 28 2017 9:52 utc | 82

Last update regarding "safe zone".

Trump's 'Safe Zones' in Syria: Theatrics or a Wider War?
LOUD & CLEAR - Brian Becker is joined by independent political analyst Catherine Shakdam.

Brian Becker - a director and organizer : National Director of ANSWER (Act Now Stop War and End Racism) Coalition which is US-based international anti-war organization. The ANSWER is believed to be the largest ever international anti-war coalition since its inception in mid 2000s. Mr. Becker who's been recognized for many years around the world, particularly among the world's peace and anti-war groups is a lifelong grassroots, progressive and sociopolitical activist in US.

Circe please STFU, thank you.

Posted by: OJS | Jan 28 2017 10:16 utc | 83

@ Posted by: Peter AU | Jan 28, 2017 1:55:50 AM | 70

WH statement is perfectly reasonable. It also doesn't explicitly mention, the Roma/Gypsies, unionists, communists, Russian POWs, Seventh Day Adventists, Homosexuals, priests/Catholics, the disabled, et al, also victims of the Nazi, Holocaust.

Yet, the H word, and every aspect of discourse re it, has long ago been appropriated exclusively for long-term political purposes/objectives within and without Israel.

What is of note, is the explicit LACK of the ritually required Key Phrases, public declarations demanded of AIPAC by their sock-puppets, such as Ryan, McCain & Graham, and the openly declared demand of the ADL for the President to ... correct the record, bow down & submit in abeyance to the required political orthodoxy, via ritual public statements ... or ... else ?

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 28 2017 10:42 utc | 84

Is anybody sad to see the bitch Victoria Nuland go......

Posted by: notlurking | Jan 28 2017 12:39 utc | 85

@ notlurking | 85

I'm sad she is still alive and not burning in hell with 72 virgin goats as she deserves.

Posted by: Harry | Jan 28 2017 13:12 utc | 86

The whole Trump agenda is incredibly strange. Either he's way too sheltered by wealth, or he has some profoundly devious agenda.

I have found that people in the NYC construction industry tend to develop a very peculiar mindset. It's a very intricate business, and they have no time to contemplate the world beyond their very complicated bubble.

Posted by: blues | Jan 28 2017 13:12 utc | 87

"Circe please STFU, thank you.

Posted by: OJS | Jan 28, 2017 5:16:15 AM | 83"

I think this site would benefit quite a lot if not only Circe but also Outraged, his obsessed-stalker, both STFU

Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 28 2017 13:20 utc | 88

Had to go to the Malaysia Sun, to get anything more than a couple of lines on the Prezs signed (not draft) 'National Security Memorandum - Rebuilding the US Armed Forces' :

Trump calls for increased spending on rebuilding the military during first visit to Pentagon
Malaysia Sun Saturday 28th January, 2017

This was the first such gathering with senior military leaders at the Pentagon since Trump became commander in chief

• Trump met the new defense secretary, James Mattis and the Joint Chiefs of Staff at Pentagon

• Trump has called for a stepped-up military campaign against the Islamic State


During his first visit to the Pentagon, along with senior military leaders, after becoming America’s new commander in chief, Trump announced his intention of rebuilding the armed forces.

Speaking at the Pentagon’s Hall of Heroes, Trump declared, “I’m signing an executive action to begin a great rebuilding of the armed services of the United States. We're developing a plan for new planes, new ships, new resources, and new tools for our men and women in uniform.”.


Trump, who was accompanied by his senior adviser Steve Bannon, National Security Adviser Mike Flynn and other members of his inner circle said, “As we prepare our budget request for Congress... our military strength will be questioned by no one, but neither will our dedication to peace, we do want peace."

This, after Trump signed a never-before-seen form of presidential directive, the presidential national security memorandum.

The memorandum reportedly calls for a 30-day “readiness review" of the armed forces to assess "readiness conditions, including training, equipment maintenance, munitions, modernization, and infrastructure.” He would then have to submit a report about actions that can be implemented within the fiscal year.

At the heart of it the new Defense secretary has been charged with rebuilding the military and the memorandum requires the Pentagon and Office of Management and Budget to come up with a plan to bolster the military, and calls for an examination of the nation's nuclear arsenal and missile-defense capabilities.

As part of this order, Mattis will also have to review America’s ballistic missile and nuclear systems to "ensure that the United States nuclear deterrent is modern, robust, flexible, resilient, ready, and appropriately tailored to deter 21st-century threats and reassure our allies."

Days after Trump had complained about how the two major defense programs in the country were “too costly” - Mattis had ordered financial reviews of the costs of the $400 billion F-35 fighter jet project and the $4 billion development of a new Air Force One presidential jet on Friday.


Currently U.S. has about 6,000 military personnel in Iraq and Syria, including trainers, advisers and special operators....”

That's a lot of USD to be spent, speculated as at least an additional $100Billion+ USD per annum to the existing 'On Ledger' $600Billion USD/year Mil budget, whilst concurrently lowering corporate taxes ... so, where is the additional $100Billions going to come from, hm ?

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 28 2017 14:13 utc | 89

Trump, Putin to talk by telephone at 20:00 Moscow time on Saturday


Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 28 2017 14:15 utc | 90

What bothers me is: why would the masters put such a bumbling idiot in charge? What's their plan? Don't they know he could unleash hell; division, chaos and a crashing decline?

He is not in charge. He said so himself:

27 seconds ending with an unscripted slip at the end.

Quote: "I am going with our leaders".

"Our leaders". Not "my ministers", not "my advisors", not "my generals", not "my cabinet".

No. "Our leaders".

It is safe to assume that US is controlled by a military Junta at this point in time. The Trump show is just that.

Posted by: nobody | Jan 28 2017 15:07 utc | 91

some Q/A on Trump,

Trump 'wants to stop foreign interventions' , so why the sabre rattling on TW, SCS, NK....???

'But those are our *national interest* !', snapped the GWHoax.
In fact the WH spokesman Spicer just 'upgrade' SCS to 'international interest' status !

Its so much more fun under the GWH, he doesnt need no stinking R2P, WMD pretext, once he declares you a murkkan 'national interest',
you are a legit target !

Trumps 'wants to engage the world', so why the incessant provocations to China ?

'You havent been paying attention kid, I say we'd engage the world on our terms !
If the Chinese dont give in on trades I'd make Obama's pivot looks like child's play' !

So hows that different from Bush's 'my way or the high way' ??

'At least he's making nice with Russia' !

Really ?
Do they know whats Trump's pet peeve with Obama ?
'Driving russia/China together !
Somebody 'up there' realise that the 'two wars scenario' is fine with countries like Grenada/PaNama, but Russia./China is an entirely different ball game altogether !

Trump 'wants to stop Washington's regime change streak' but Tillerson has already proposed to oust the 'incompetent and dysfunctional regime [sic]' in Venezuela !

How's that square with GWH's promise to 'stop imposing murkkan values [sic] on the world ' ?

Obama's parting shot,
“This is not a period, This is a comma in the continuing story of building America.”

Is obomber telling us its anything goes , business as usual under Trump the 'non-interventionalist' , some even call him an 'isolationalist' !

roflmao !

Posted by: denk | Jan 28 2017 16:05 utc | 92

"zionist" "wife-beater" "alt-right" "deplorables" "apartheid" "racism" "mIsogyny" "LGBTF" "hate"

You trying to win a prize by using as many MSM-words as possible?

Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 28 2017 17:32 utc | 93

denk | Jan 28, 2017 11:05:56 AM | 92

"If those islands are, in fact, in international waters and not part of China proper, yeah, we'll make sure we defend international interests from being taken over by one country," Spicer said.

If..if...if.. Didn't the fake tribunal already determine this. Seems Spicer/Trump doubts the judgement of the tribunal.

Trump won't be going to war with China.

Posted by: Peter AU | Jan 28 2017 18:50 utc | 94

Trump sets 5-year and lifetime lobbying ban for officials & asks for plan to defeat ISIS

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump is imposing a lifetime ban on administration officials lobbying for foreign governments, and a five-year ban for other lobbying.

Trump used his executive authority Saturday to put in place the bans — fulfilling part of his campaign pledge to "drain the swamp" in Washington.

Trump has said that those who want to work for him should focus on the job they'll be doing for the American people, and not on future income earned by peddling their influence after serving in government.

Administration officials describe the bans as historic in scope. But it's not immediately clear how they'd be enforced.

Trump also took a separate action to restructure the National Security Council and ask military advisers to prepare a plan to defeat the Islamic State group.

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 29 2017 1:58 utc | 95

- The UK is a basket case as well. They're running a Current Account Deficit of 5% of GDP.

Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 29 2017 8:27 utc | 96

Trump gives National Security Council seat to ex-Breitbart chief Steve Bannon
President also gives Priebus access to sensitive meetings while partially excluding defense chiefs and requesting strategies to defeat Isis

President Donald Trump granted controversial adviser Steve Bannon a regular seat at meetings of the National Security Council on Saturday, in a presidential memorandum that brought the former Breitbart publisher into some of the most sensitive meetings at the highest levels of government.

The president named Bannon to the council in a reorganization of the NSC. He also said his chief-of-staff Reince Priebus would have a seat in the meetings.

Trump also said the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff and the director of national intelligence, two of the most senior defense chiefs, will attend meetings only when discussions are related to their “responsibilities and expertise”. Barack Obama and George W Bush both gave the men in those roles regular seats on the council.


Posted by: Outraged | Jan 29 2017 13:39 utc | 97

The Media Honestly Doesn’t Get It

Posted by: Anoynmous | Jan 29 2017 13:49 utc | 98

Peter AU 96

The empire might not want a full front war just yet but it sure is prepping for it.

the assets for 'air sea battle ' are all in place, Thaad, Aegis in Jeju,littoral battleships in /Singapore...carrier battle groups prowling off Chinese shore line.
After a decade of 'scientific survey' by murkkan spy ships, the USN now knows the SCS topology and Chinese nuke sub chacracteristics like the palm of his hand.
murkkans/indians./jps/aussies have been doing dress rehearsals on a full Malacca straits blockade for years.
In other words, the preparation for a full 'air sea battle' is moving on like clockwork.

Posted by: denk | Jan 29 2017 14:07 utc | 99

Trump Warns Israel, ‘New Settlements May Not Help Peace in Middle East’

Posted by: Anonymous | Feb 3 2017 9:46 utc | 100

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