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December 8, 2016
Russia Today Plagiarizes Moon of Alabama – Correspondence – Act I

The German edition of the Russia Today website, RT Deutsch, evidently plagiarized a piece I had written for and published on this site.

I have since communicated with the director of RT Deutsch, Ivan Rodionov, via Twitter. The responses were slow and uncommitted. Today Rodionov, as well as the author of the piece, Mr. Rupp, contacted me and denied that the obvious plagiarism has happened at all.

Meanwhile I have been contacted by other authors who claim to have also been plagiarized or ripped off by RT English and/or RT Deutsch. The authors in question are, like me, generally positive towards Russia and RT.

Indeed this site has been labeled a "Russian propaganda outlet" by U.S. media and by the Ukrainian-American fascists behind the censorship advocates at ProPornOT.

This issue thereby obviously not an "anti-Russian" action but simple concern of serious authors about their rights.

I will write about the other authors cases' in a later piece.

The plagiarizing issue with RT is likely to escalate. I decided to publish all relevant communication on this blog to keep the readers informed and to be able to let others know how RT in general, and RT Deutsch especially, is handling such issues.

Mr Ivan Rodionov contacted me on public Twitter today. Here is the whole public thread including his tweets, my responses and the relevant context:

Moon of Alabama @MoonofA

ICYMI – MoA:

Russia Today (@rt_deutsch) Plagiarizes Moon of Alabama (@MoonofA) piece. Unresponsive to complains

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2016/12/falsely-defamed-russian-propaganda-outlet-gets-plagarized-by-russian-state-tv.html …

6:03 AM – 7 Dec 2016

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Barbara McKenzie ‏@BarbaraMcK42 19h19 hours ago

@MoonofA Your article was well-written, and made its point succinctly. There's no excuse for hijacking it @RT_Deutsch @IvanRodionov_

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Ivan Rodionov ‏@IvanRodionov_ 1h1 hour ago

@BarbaraMcK42 @MoonofA @RT_Deutsch Our contributor provided information supporting his claim of independent authorship which i believe 1/3

Ivan Rodionov ‏@IvanRodionov_ 1h1 hour ago

@BarbaraMcK42 @MoonofA @RT_Deutsch conclusive. I see no reasons to distrust him. His reply was AFAIK shared with you. If you see it 2/3

Ivan Rodionov ‏@IvanRodionov_ 1h1 hour ago

@BarbaraMcK42 @MoonofA it diferently pls feel free to use legal ways. Respectfully. 3/3

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Moon of Alabama ‏@MoonofA 33m33 minutes ago

@IvanRodionov_ Mr Rapp's "explanation"via email is a sorry excuse and evidently factually untrue in at least 3 points. @BarbaraMcK42 1/2

Moon of Alabama ‏@MoonofA 29m29 minutes ago

@IvanRodionov_ Legal ways cost money-not yet ready to spend. Will escalate via my contacts w/ RT Moscow and German media @BarbaraMcK42 2/2

(For timemarks – the alternative Twitter view of the last tweet ("29m29 minutes ago") is marked (in Pacific Time) as 9:09 AM – 8 Dec 2016)

 

In the above exchange Mr Rodionov mentioned a response from the RT author who had plagiarized my text. That response had arrived via email.

Here is a copy (email addresses withheld) followed by a copy of my reply.

From: Mr. Rupp
Subject: Putin's joke
To: MoonofA
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 12:28:45 +0100

Hallo Bernard,

You are certainly aware of the fact, that Newton and Leibniz developed a very similar theory of calculus at the same time in history, apparently completely independent of each other.

I use this famous example to illustrate, that you were not the only person with mathematical knowledge to spot the mathematical issue behind Putin's "joke". By way of excluding a translation mistake as well as the possibility that Putin would have made such a silly chauvinist comment, especially on public TV, it was quite clear what the Russian president had really meant when he said, that Russia's borders do not end anywhere. Only the kid as well as a large part of the audience did not understand and applauded for the wrong reason. Thus Putin had to save the situation somehow, declaring it a joke but one could see on his face, he did not feel comfortable doing it.

Unfortunately at the time I was working on another project that I had to finish first. So I could not react immediately to this matter, which made headline in Western news. Somewhat belatedly I could turn to the subject, as by then some German media had also begun to slander Putin for his "joke". First I scanned the internet to see, if anyone else had come to the same conclusion as me, namely that Putin had referred to the definition of a border as an uninterrupted line running along the edge of a surface that does not have a beginning or an end. My search also took me to your site, which I read and liked very much.

This may have unknowingly influenced my approach to the subjects. But I did in no way translate line by line from your piece. What you declare as proof for your claim, namely the definition of a border, I have taken from the German "Duden". And translated it is the same in English. But for a Definition that should not come as a surprise.

And what you call the core issue, i.e. Putin's mathematical lecture, that was not there for you alone to spot. You do not have sole ownership of the recognition of a simple and well known mathematical problem for 5th graders.

Moreover I did make a reference to the MofA source in my manuscript but certainly not with respect to the core issue.

As to my person, I am a political writer. For most of the last 20 years I worked for one or the other of the two remaining left wing daily papers which have survived in Germany. On RT-Deutsch I publish since Spring this year.

The reason I reacted so late to your complaint is simple. Only last night I got the e-mail from Mr. Rodionov – who had been out of the country for a few days – informing me about the matter and asking me, to clean it up. As I am a freelance writer my articles are my sole responsibility and neither RT-deutsch nor Mr. Rodionow carry any blame.

As I do not feel guilty for the things you accuse me of, I cannot apologize for them. But I do not want to hide myself either. If you are still angry enough to sue someone, you have to sue me. If you want to do that, please let me know and I will find a lawyer and forward his address to you for further legal action.

My honorarium for the article in question was 200 Euro. I can provide you a copy of the Honorarium. It is not much to fight about in court. But I can transfer you a share of it, if this helps to sooth your anger. This would not be recognition of any guilt but it would safe me a lot of paper work.

Certainly I did not want to offend or hurt you. After all, I did like your article and it probably did help and influenced my writing.

I would appreciate, if you treat this letter as personal and not for publication.

Looking forward to hearing from you,

Rainer Rupp

P.S. Now that we are actually in contact with each other I just had an idea, how we could turn this annoying situation into something good for both of us. You have produced some very good pieces of research, which would certainly find also a German readership. May be we could come to an arrangement, whereby I would translate occasionally an up to date piece of your research for publication in Germany under your name and with a split honorarium for both of us?

 

My reply:

From: MoonofA
Subject: Re: Putin's Joke
To: Mr. Rupp
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 18:15:13 +0100

Your statements, Mr. Rupp, about the plagiarism of my text are -at least- misleading.

Some of your claims with which you try to prove that you did not copy and translated my text, which you did, can evidently not be true:

"My search also took me to your site, which I read and liked very much. This may have unknowingly influenced my approach to the subjects. But I did in no way translate line by line from your piece."

You translated the core paragraph of my piece sentence by sentence – line by line, nearly word by word! My post on the subject sets these texts next to each other. It is obvious to anyone who can read that your paragraph is a translation of my text.

See: http://www.moonofalabama.org/2016/12/falsely-defamed-…-tv.html

It is inexplicable that you would "unknowingly influenced" structure that paragraph sentence by sentence in your copy exactly as I did in the original.

"Moreover I did make a reference to the MofA source in my manuscript but certainly not with respect to the core issue."

No, you did not!

When I read your copied piece first on Nov 30/Dec 1, after having noticed it through Mr. Rodinov's promotional tweet, I immediately saved the whole HTML page to a local disk. There was NO REFERENCE to MoA anywhere in there. MoA was only inserted as a source for a minor statement AFTER I later complained to Mr. Rodionov. The firsts saved version and the current one are now displayed in the updated post at my site and can be easily compared.

"What you declare as proof for your claim, namely the definition of a border, I have taken from the German „Duden“. And translated it is the same in English."

So, Mr. Rapp, you want to tell me that you hear Putin in Russian on a TV show and while writing about it in German for a German language news outlet you first look up the German version in the Duden but then -just by chance of course- insert the same link to the English freedictionary.com definition of "border" that I used in my text?!? Why would you use the English definition link for the word border in a German text at all? Why not use the German definition link from the Duden and insert that?

In your text you write the definition of border as "*Ein Band oder eine Linie um oder entlang der Kante von etwas."*

That**is no way consistent with any version in the Duden that you have claimed to have looked up. There is no "Kante" in any of those Duden definitions.

Please compare here: http://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/Grenze

Indeed what you used in the RT text is a (bad) translation of the English freedictionary definition I used: "A part that forms the outer edge of something."

Your response is obviously not serious but pure obfuscation behind which you want to hide the plagiarism of my piece.

RT Deutsch is the publisher of the website where the text appeared as part of its regular content. It is as such fully responsible for the texts on that site. I will continue to correspond with RT Deutsch and RT central in Moscow about the issue and expect them to take the appropriate measures.

Bernhard

PS: Reading that sorry explanation for your plagiarism and then the "offer" in your PS: paragraph my mind flashed with the word "extortion"!

So far the current communication between Moon of Alabama/Bernhard, Russia Today Deutsch and the plagiarizing author.

I will leave it to the readers and commentators here to judge.

Comments

@100
outraged?

Posted by: annie | Dec 10 2016 2:23 utc | 101

rememembereringgiap!

Posted by: annie | Dec 10 2016 2:24 utc | 102

RememberingGiap @ 101
Oh! So very, very glad to hear your voice, my friend. The mispelt ID had me suspicious … however, stylometry 😉
the disrespect by some of the posters is beyond belief, Indeed. And almost all of those posts by, ‘blow-ins’ following common memes.
It is the self-discipline, integrity, clarity, rigorous research and analysis, along with intellectual energy, that brings me back day after day …
IMHO, b would have made an outstanding professional intelligence analyst, in an alternate reality … to our War on Terra.
Wishes for your Good health and a joyous festive season.

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 10 2016 2:27 utc | 103

@ 102
Annie! Indeed 🙂
As R’Giap said … i hope all is well with you & & other old camarades here … can but concur.

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 10 2016 2:33 utc | 104

good to see that at least some of us have b’s back
choose your battles wisely though – appears that you’re dealing w/ professionals in the practice of deceit

Posted by: b real | Dec 10 2016 2:53 utc | 105

wow, b real, amazing. and debs is around too (on another thread). b’s the bomb, no two ways about it. and that story was so unusual it beggars the imagination someone would claim if for their own. oh well.
another year is upon us.
😉

Posted by: annie | Dec 10 2016 3:09 utc | 106

it for their own. i really need to start using the preview.

Posted by: annie | Dec 10 2016 3:10 utc | 107

annia
darling camarade, you said that years agoabout the preview

Posted by: rememembereringgiap | Dec 10 2016 6:04 utc | 108

1.
Attacking RT is beyond imagination. TPTB will be glad.
http://theduran.com/russia-today-attack-uk-government-shuts-rt-bank-accounts/
2.
Not knowing the difference between “border” and “borders” and not knowing the difference between Euclidean geometry and non-euclidean two dimensional geometry b should be ashamed for every reference to that “bit of additional entertainment”.

Posted by: From The Hague | Dec 10 2016 7:12 utc | 109

Hiya giap annie breal n outraged – must be that time of year I suppose that or the world got even weirder now than it used to be.
I hope everyone is well if somewhat better matured. What is it with this type cluttering the joint up with his repetitious twaddle eh, as if the hacks at rt are somehow more ideologically sound than the hacks at nbc/cnn/newscorp Ha! A careerist hack is the same no matter which rock they crawl out from under.
Doubtless the derp will be berating us for revisionism shortly.
N I thought all the moronic trots had transformed into neocons it looks as tho some couldn’t even manage that.
Giap you need to remind him that vomiting on the rug is verboten.
take care y’all

Posted by: Debsisdead | Dec 10 2016 8:00 utc | 110

For what it’s worth, b, I’m with
Formerly T-Bear | Dec 9, 2016 3:50:51 AM | 82
and
Amend | Dec 9, 2016 4:18:30 PM | 95

By all means swap cross words and insults with RT but keep lawyers out of it.
Once lawyers get their hooks into both sides of a squabble over principles & ethics, only the lawyers win.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 10 2016 13:13 utc | 111

Uncoy
I m afraid it is not that simple
let’s try
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/2/8/251762/World/Region/Syrian-opposition-willing-to-resume-talks-without-.aspx
(how would i know it works?)
it suggests to create a new style to either http://www.moa or moa, hope it was moa
then i just typed your code in the “name” place and pressed return, and now when i hover on the Stylish icon, it says there is 1 style for the site and 0 for the interface

Posted by: Mina | Dec 10 2016 13:28 utc | 112

debsisdead, hope you well, camaradelllll

Posted by: rememembereringgiap | Dec 10 2016 14:56 utc | 113

me & annie both

Posted by: rememembereringgiap | Dec 10 2016 14:57 utc | 114

r’giap, i know i know i know. old habits don’t die. i read about that movie about you. impressive! big smooch for you.
debs, time of year, must be. fun seeing so many old friends around here.
i woke up this morning bombarded w/more cia fake news about russia stealing the election (another big wapo story) — screaming at me from all sides. crazy.

Posted by: annie | Dec 10 2016 15:55 utc | 115

Is this where the moonbat reunion is?

Posted by: beq | Dec 10 2016 16:04 utc | 116

beq!

Posted by: annie | Dec 10 2016 16:18 utc | 117

Bernhard, I fully support your stance, exemplifies all that those, who are the honest commenters here, have been fighting for – justice for “the little guy”.
Anybody who questions your struggle against the transgressions of “the big guy” is a traitor, probably a CIA/MI6 plant, and a saboteur.
All real MoA supporters should file a protest with RT and the Russian authorities.
Keep up the good work and good luck!

Posted by: ProPeace | Dec 10 2016 20:04 utc | 118

@all news all the time | Dec 10, 2016 1:36:15
Whom do you serve with such idiotic allegations? Go away.

Posted by: ProPeace | Dec 10 2016 20:08 utc | 119

annie, b real, debs, rgiap, outraged:
If all the above are really you then hurrah! It would be great to know you are all here at least lurking but still hanging in there with b.
However, I have my doubts. I am relatively sure annie, b real, outraged, and probably debs are really y’all who you post you are, but I have my doubts about rememberinggiap-( rememembereringgiap?) and maybe even debs. I know both of them have been impersonated here of late although debs is still an occasional contributor. As b real stated

appears that you’re [we’re] dealing w/ professionals in the practice of deceit

Honestly, rgiap doesn’t sound like his old usual style and nor did debs on his #111.
MoA has been tagged on The List as one of the “subversives” and is so now open to the real subversive “Bernayes” perfected campaigns.
Just saying, but Beware.
Best to all, maybe all, who are really you.
J

Posted by: juannie | Dec 10 2016 20:40 utc | 120

|@ ALberto | Dec 8, 2016 5:31:41 PM | 39
Thankfully the link problem has been resolved. I am in beginning stages of macular degeneration which eventually ends in blindness, now my visual field contains distortions which interfere with reading, particularly with extended formats. I will eventually have to increase the size of lettering which would make such extensions even more troublesome to read. That night, being under attack by gout and unable to sleep, I encountered your #39. Between pain, the format, and lack of sleep combined into an undiplomatic irascibility, you being the subject. I do find (and look forward to) your contributions on this site and find them of generally high quality. I do regret the words I used at #50 and would have it deleted. Peace.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Dec 10 2016 23:01 utc | 121

@juannie #122 Sorry to say it is indeed me, I realise there is no way to prove that especially since r’giap would be the only one who could at least slightly vouch as we had a very small occasional snail mail correspondence about this time every year.
I did not know I had been impersonated which if correct reveals how outta touch I am – what was the 111 issue? I suppose I used to be more reticent in my dislike of those who treat humanism as if it were another form of organised religion, which I’m sorry to say, is the way that fervent followers of Leon have appeared to me to be. In fact when I was a young fella I noticed that a noticeable proportion of the Socialist Action crew had come from families where the practise of full-on xtian sects pretty much defined the family. Yep I know that is intolerant of me but the way that the Corbyn debacle in england this summer played out wasn’t aided by intemperate remarks from some followers of Trotsky. Of course most of the problem was the blairite reds under the bed bullshit, lies & exaggeration, but on at least two occasions when it would have been better to say nothing , the Trotskyist leadership opened their mouths which made it appear to some that Mr Corbyn was a closet fellow traveler -it struck me at the time as being sheer self aggrandizement on their part – the best thing would have been – if you believe Mr Corbyn to be on the up and up, to have said nothing.
Anyway it is great to see that you juannie, like Giap, Outraged, breal and Annie (I hate doing these lists because I worry I have omitted someone I don’t want to omit) are still droppin in from time to time.
I saw slothrop’s nym in here a week or so ago and regret not giving him a hiya for old times sake, even if his POV would cop much shorter & nastier shrift from the current MoA habitues than what we gave him back then.
When we began posting at billmon’s then here, war seemed like a temporary aberrance that could be prevented/ended if enough of us pointed that out. Right now being at war seems to have become accepted as the normal state of being.
Today I can wax a bit philosophical about that but many days it makes me incredibly angry at the way so many cannot acknowledge that there is good & bad in all sides – sure some sides are better than others but reality cannot be reduced to “That mob over there in the white hats do no wrong while them wearing the black hats over there only know & do bad shit” .

Posted by: Debsisdead | Dec 11 2016 2:52 utc | 122

@ Juannie, annie, b real, debs, R’Giap, et al
Certain experiences and contexts cannot be faked … hm ?
To celebrate this mini reunion, may I entice ya’ll to share in some virtual stalinist fruitcake, on me 😉
@ Debs
Each and every time I’m confronted by yet more ‘White Hat, Ambulance Boy & Bana Alabed, etc‘ blatant in your face Bullshit propaganda simultaneously served up worldwide on MSM media, my stomach churns and my bile rises …
However, all of this, all the time, over the top propaganda, is IMHO, ultimately self defeating … still damn well pisses me off tho’.

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 11 2016 6:09 utc | 123

It’s very heartwarming to see the old gang showing up here! Hello to all.

Posted by: Copeland | Dec 11 2016 6:26 utc | 124

Yep, I’m now convinced it’s really you debs. As for r’giap it would be truly heartwarming for him to share in some fruitcake and convince me he’s still with us and well. I missed sloth’s drop-in but would have been pleased to see him still around. I have to say I often appreciated his perspective even though most of the time he drove me nuts especially when he’d get on b’s back. Hi Copeland, although I hardly consider you a drop-in. I read your posts regularly here and always appreciate your contribution.
Outraged, I fear the White Hat propaganda bullshit is just the most visible tip of the iceberg. b has done a masterful job in exposing them for the scum they are in contributing to the normal “health of the state’ incessant war situation that debs refers to. It seems that propaganda is so ubiquitous these days that everything I read, or hear is suspect. Guess my conditioning is so thorough that i’m wary of everything and everyone.
Thanks debs for pointing out that back in the Billimon era that war was pretty much just a “temporary aberrance”. It’s been such a constant for so long now that I had sort of forgotten that. (creeping normalcy- to say nothing of landscape amnesia. Damn I like to think of myself as observant enough that I’m immune to that but obviously I’m not.)

Posted by: juannie | Dec 11 2016 13:03 utc | 125

@ glad to be of service a good night’s sleep has also reminded me that aberration is the noun I was searching for – no wonder spell check just wouldn’t give aberrance a tick eh; all the rest of you are too polite to play the pedant which I respect but must apologise for my badly declining grammar.
Hiya too Copeland I’ve spotted you on the site but our paths didn’t cross as I tend to concur with your posts.
Respect for sticking at it Copeland.
I guess many of the MoA-heads came to a similar conclusion that our posts good or bad, on point or ranting, had zero effect on anything and it made more sense to act out in our local communities than to try and distil our sense of frustration into 250 words or less, nevertheless the contribution of those who did hang in should not be diminished in any way by other choices made by others.
Most of all it is times like this where we should salute b. the man himself who has kept this site alive and hugely relevant across the spectrum of political thought while never sacrificing his integrity and/or philosophy for a couple more page clicks.
I trust you realise just what an achievement that is b. I cannot think of anywhere else on the net where a comparable statement could be made.
There have been times when I didn’t share your POV b., but there has never been an instance when I doubted the sincerity of your read on the fucked up state we humans have allowed/enabled this old rock to become.
thank you

Posted by: Debsisdead | Dec 12 2016 0:21 utc | 126

b,
I want to thank you as well for the sane community you have allowed me to come to after being thrown out of almost naked capitalism for my idealistic ways.
The energy you put into casting the beam of light on our rock is a tribute to your humanity. I am happy to read others commenting on this thread that have been here longer share their reinforcement of your living your ideals. namaste

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 12 2016 1:23 utc | 127

@debs @128 – thank you very much. That coming from you is real ointment on my hurt soul.
Welcome back! @r’giap, @annie, @beq, @b real, @juannie, @outraged, @copeland, @debs and anyone of the oldtimers I might have forgotten here.
Very nice to see that so many of you, each of you, are still lurking around – and comment when needed most.

Posted by: b | Dec 12 2016 14:46 utc | 128

it is me juannie, i come here often but this issue with b, is not a personal one, but like all else, political
it is shameless that b, is being plagiarised by a news service that should be exemplary
as the oldtimers know, b is so far ahead on a great many issues, that i am not surprise, the poverty in journalism & journalist scribblers so parlous, that they steal the work of b, overtly in this case, covertly too, old barflies also know the intellectual & physical effort involved & it is intense, that such rigor is appropriated ,is deeply deeply immoral
not only is it a question of intellectual property, the breadth & depth of b’s work, costs, in human terms
i have sent an email to their editor in chief at rt & i have also made it a public question on my fb pagr (which was started because of the film, annie but also for the work of my association & deterioratin of my health – which allows me to talk to collaboraters, friends & camaradees on all continents)
it is good to see the clarity of old fighters – force et tendresse, christopher

Posted by: remembererringgiap | Dec 12 2016 17:58 utc | 129

This to confirm that I read your 130 r’giap and am delighted that it is you and that you still stop in to imbibe here often. Sound off occasionally. It is always worthwhile to read your viewpoint. And I know I’m not the only one who appreciates that. I’d wager that more contribution from you would revive more of the old-timers.
Cheers,
John

Posted by: juannie | Dec 13 2016 1:35 utc | 130