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December 20, 2016
Open Thread 2016-43
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thanks regardless b… we all appreciate your hard work and diligence.. Posted by: james | Dec 20 2016 20:04 utc | 4 thanks b for the round-up about journalists Syria in the last thread. Posted by: Noirette | Dec 20 2016 20:37 utc | 5 Cross-posting from the second page of comments on the last post: Posted by: cognos | Dec 20 2016 20:43 utc | 6 james @4, I’m sure you knew it but this is very useful because now anyone who will speak to you about ‘Russian propaganda’, for example, you can show him this member of the US Congress who OFFICIALLY requested from the US government to stop funding jihadists. Yikes, George Clooney to make a movie on the white helmets. Posted by: Lionshare | Dec 20 2016 21:09 utc | 8 @ 8 Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Dec 20 2016 21:14 utc | 9 @7 nmb.. thanks.. ” is that the little banu girl? Posted by: james | Dec 20 2016 21:14 utc | 10 You just have to bluster through it, b, and shout “Yellow Cake! Yellow Cake! Yellow Cake!!” Posted by: chipnik | Dec 20 2016 21:17 utc | 11 “Bush Jrs administration was much more experienced than….. Posted by: Jack Smith | Dec 20 2016 21:21 utc | 12 correction: Posted by: Jack Smith | Dec 20 2016 21:23 utc | 13 Cognos @ 6, regarding the MSM silence about the capture of NATO officers from US, France, Germany, Turkey, Israel, Saudi Arabia and other mid-eastern: I would interpret the silence to mean that continued silence is a bargaining chip held by Syria. Once Syria makes official mention in an unavoidably public venue– say the UN– the chip is spent. I saw no mention of their being intell officers, only officers. Posted by: Penelope | Dec 20 2016 21:30 utc | 15 I’m wondering if anybody can confirm or debunk Lozion’s & 83 on OT 2016-42?
If this is true and can be verified it helps explain to American russophobes how Russia (i.e. Putin) has become the leading moral and idealogical leader of the planet and explains the incessant demonizing of Putin by the imperialistic opposite end of the spectrum. Posted by: juannie | Dec 20 2016 21:37 utc | 16 It’s both shame and glory that the ony suspect Naved B. had to be released. Posted by: xor | Dec 20 2016 21:44 utc | 17 The only president received Nobel peace prize for lying and continued to lie till he leaves office in January 2017. Eight fucking wars. Just announced today more sanctions on Russia Federation for that stupid civil war he started in Ukraine. Instigate China for Trump to start war with Chine…. Posted by: Jack Smith | Dec 20 2016 21:49 utc | 18 ‘b’ – excellent site. Can’t be said enough. Cheers. Posted by: AtaBrit | Dec 20 2016 21:55 utc | 19 @17 xor… so true… sort of gives a clear message on the relevance of the surveillance state we are presently living in.. racism trumps surveillance… Posted by: james | Dec 20 2016 21:55 utc | 20 @ Penelope | 15 Posted by: AtaBrit | Dec 20 2016 21:59 utc | 21 Yesterday I posted a 66-paragraph thumbnail history of the war in Syria (2007-2015). See http://www.bible-and-empire.net (“The ‘Fall of Aleppo’?”). It reflects my attempt to explain to people in my circle why they should resist the manipulative hype about Aleppo from so-called progressive sources. Posted by: Berry Friesen | Dec 20 2016 22:04 utc | 22 18 Posted by: chipnik | Dec 20 2016 22:55 utc | 24 Germany’s in for a big year in 2017 – Merkel is beyond finished. b, anytime you can’t gyn up a lead-in story, post The Garden of Pomegranates. Posted by: chipnik | Dec 20 2016 23:18 utc | 27 Damn JS, you STILL don’t get it. Obomba was just the latest incarnation working for the same cabal of corporate lackies. Trump WILL be the same. UP the corporate form, and screw the workers. Posted by: ben | Dec 20 2016 23:33 utc | 28 As the dominoes start to fall in Europe, let’s not forget about the Philippines. You can tell who the Empire is afraid of by the “official enemies” in the prestige press. Recently President Rodrigo Duterte has been inflated into a threat to rival Saddam Hussein or Hugo Chavez. Andre Vltchek recently had a decent appraisal Posted by: Mike Maloney | Dec 20 2016 23:48 utc | 29 Patrick Buchanan The Real Saboteurs of a Trump Foreign Policy Posted by: likklemore | Dec 20 2016 23:56 utc | 30 Yo… thanks for the integrity to pull the plug and not just try to fudge the story. Been there, done what you did but definitely know the temptation is all too real… Posted by: les7 | Dec 20 2016 23:57 utc | 31 @16, From the horses mouth Posted by: ruralito | Dec 21 2016 0:40 utc | 33 @ 22 Thanks Barry for that very good summary. It shows a great deal of work and integrity. It is a valuable resource to balance the emotional sensationalism of the media that most people are exposed to. Posted by: les7 | Dec 21 2016 1:24 utc | 34 Juannie @ 16, You say Putin is the leading moral & ideological voice of his time. I’ll leave the “moral” aside for the moment. His ideology is to applaud the IMF, the WTO, and the UN– all Western controlled. Even if they were not Western-controlled they are the first three floors of the global governance edifice which usurps national sovereignties, preventing the emergence of any variant of democracy. Not long ago Putin wanted to join EU and NATO, not disband them. Posted by: Penelope | Dec 21 2016 1:49 utc | 35 b, Posted by: Jack Smith | Dec 21 2016 1:58 utc | 36 Well, having weathered the cia’s electoral coup, we’re in safe hands now …
b, what lez7 said @31 Posted by: jfl | Dec 21 2016 2:24 utc | 37 Pacific Southwest Airlines Flight 1771 is a British Aerospace 146-200A, a small commuter jet and incapable of sustaining a ‘770 mph’ airspeed crash, which would have BROKEN THE SOUND BARRIER. “Federal Bureau of Investigation, who after two days over digging through what was left of the site found a handgun containing six spent bullet casings and a note written on the air-sickness bag written by Burke, admitting he was the person responsible for the crash.” Posted by: chipnik | Dec 21 2016 2:29 utc | 38 Israel offers to take in injured people from Aleppo Posted by: jfl | Dec 21 2016 2:59 utc | 39 @38 chipnik, Posted by: Jonathan | Dec 21 2016 3:09 utc | 40 Here’s the picture that got my attention, back in the day. Palestinians fleeing the battle of ISIS and al CIA duh for Yarmouk refugee camp in Syria. Ankara Assassination Proves Crisis in Middle East Is Engulfing Turkey Posted by: virgile | Dec 21 2016 3:44 utc | 43 I regularly visit a web site called Reading the Pictures and here is a link they provided to pictures of the shooting of the Russian ambassador in Turkey. Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 21 2016 4:16 utc | 44 I have been trying for some time to get a clue as to the sides forming in the Glass Bead Game we see evolving before us. I have commented before here that Trump is the global plutocrats “don’t throw me in the briar patch” puppet but I am not as sure of that now. Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 21 2016 4:48 utc | 45 … Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 21 2016 5:19 utc | 46 @22 berry friesen.. that was a good overview you wrote… thanks.. i hope more folks see it.. Posted by: james | Dec 21 2016 5:22 utc | 47 @ Hoarsewhisperer who answered my ignorance about bullet ballistics…..thanks! Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 21 2016 5:58 utc | 48 @ 22 berry friesen who seemingly says that the bible has all the answers that mankind needs to comport themselves. Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 21 2016 6:26 utc | 49 “Israel offers to take in injured people from Aleppo” Posted by: hals165 | Dec 21 2016 6:46 utc | 51 @Lionshare | Dec 20, 2016 4:09:48 Hollywood owns him so he does what’s told to. Posted by: ProPeace | Dec 21 2016 7:38 utc | 52 Editor in chief of Forbes Polska (luring dupes worldwide into suicidal “rat race” by dangling made-up billionaire stories and “rankings”) Michał Broniatowski (also involved in some shady deals in Banderaland) calls for bloody coup in Poland in a thinly veiled “question” – “8 itmes required to have Maidan in Warsaw”, sounds like a plan? Posted by: ProPeace | Dec 21 2016 7:39 utc | 53 As usual Reuters is full of fake news and propaganda Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 21 2016 8:06 utc | 54 @psychohistorian re lack of blood in photos of Russian ambassador shooting: Posted by: D. Barnes | Dec 21 2016 8:27 utc | 55 In 2004 Poles and other people from Central Europe were lured into coming to the UK “to seek better life” in order to cut them from their homeland and switch their loyalty to the British as a preparation for coming war against Russia. Posted by: ProPeace | Dec 21 2016 8:50 utc | 56 @44 Posted by: psychohistorian | Posted by: pantaraxia | Dec 21 2016 9:03 utc | 57 @psychohistorian | Dec 20, 2016 11:48:05 Yes, happy holidays to you and all MoA barflies. Posted by: ProPeace | Dec 21 2016 9:09 utc | 58 1 more thought – let’s remember that a lot of the violence with been seeing on the world stage over last few months has been planned as a provocation to escalate dramaatically tensions between the US and Russia before Trump is being sworn in. Posted by: ProPeace | Dec 21 2016 9:45 utc | 59 @22 berry friesen Some signals point to the scenario that the runaway perpetrator of the Berlin massacre, near the Budapest Street, will be found in Poland. Posted by: ProPeace | Dec 21 2016 10:01 utc | 61 @60 xyz So the german police are now looking for a tunisian man who’s identification papers were discovered in the truck that plowed down the christmas shoppers. Posted by: never mind | Dec 21 2016 11:23 utc | 63 Psychohistorian @ 43: Posted by: Jen | Dec 21 2016 11:43 utc | 64 re 65. They probably have a stock of suitable Muslim IDs ready prepared. Posted by: Laguerre | Dec 21 2016 11:46 utc | 65 Never Mind @ 65: Posted by: Jen | Dec 21 2016 11:50 utc | 66 After Aleppo: We Need a New Syria Policy Ron Paul • December 19, 2016
Posted by: virgile | Dec 21 2016 13:43 utc | 67 If as a refugee you lose your passport at the border, it should come as no surprise that as a terrorist you lose your ID in the truck. Posted by: passerby | Dec 21 2016 14:09 utc | 68 @psychohistorian and others Posted by: AtaBrit | Dec 21 2016 14:11 utc | 69 Trump vs Obama on Islam Posted by: virgile | Dec 21 2016 14:33 utc | 70 The id in the truck was surely left there on purpose to mislead the investigators. Who forgot the id left in the Charlie Hebdo killing that lead to the killers? Posted by: virgile | Dec 21 2016 14:37 utc | 71 @ likklemore 30. Posted by: Curtis | Dec 21 2016 15:07 utc | 72 @ Penelope 36. Posted by: Curtis | Dec 21 2016 15:18 utc | 73 What ever happened to Pizzagate?Wouldn’t enforcing the fake news agenda demand wall to wall coverage of the shooters false? motive?(and purpose?He was an actor) Posted by: dahoit | Dec 21 2016 15:21 utc | 74 @ nmb 7 Posted by: Curtis | Dec 21 2016 15:30 utc | 75 can this be true? Posted by: Mina | Dec 21 2016 15:35 utc | 76 The soft coup on Trump failed. It’s now the Trump Era officially, terror attacks in Germany and if the Germans re-elect her they are EFFING MORONS. Duterte keeps making me smile, Maduro keeps making me shake my head. Putin is made of ice he shows no emotions, none….He is a bad mofo and for Obama who grew up with no dad plus considers himself the smartest of them all, this ALPHA male is his worst fears and phobias. Putin doesn’t laugh at his jokes, Putin doesn’t make “nice” like all them college boys do. He just stares at you, emotionless and empty. Obama can’t talk or smile his way out of his encounters with the little man from Moscow and feels humiliated. Putin doesn’t care either way, he doesn’t give a flying F…….Putin is an enigma a true riddle of a man wrapped in a mystery. I wish him well. Posted by: Fernando Arauxo | Dec 21 2016 16:07 utc | 77 First Happy Holidays to everyone; let’s hope for Peace. Posted by: Circe | Dec 21 2016 16:07 utc | 78 @75 Thank you for mentioning Pussy Riot. They seem to have jumped on the anti-Trump band wagon. Recently spotted in Miami with a melange of philosophies including something called vaginal-globalism. Posted by: dh | Dec 21 2016 16:08 utc | 79 Russia, Iran, Syria negotiate with Turkey representing the opposition Posted by: Les | Dec 21 2016 16:13 utc | 80 Rumor has it Trump’s main security detail provider will be Russian RSB-Group coordinating 11 other US-based companies. Posted by: ProPeace | Dec 21 2016 16:17 utc | 81 https://twitter.com/Zinvor/status/811574795624214528 Posted by: David | Dec 21 2016 16:24 utc | 82 Ah sorry, should’ve linked directly: Posted by: David | Dec 21 2016 16:27 utc | 83 @83 Posted by: Circe | Dec 21 2016 16:32 utc | 84 AtaBrit @71 Posted by: ALberto | Dec 21 2016 16:32 utc | 85 https://southfront.org/new-york-daily-news-calls-murder-of-russian-ambassador-accomplished-justice/ Posted by: Y | Dec 21 2016 16:36 utc | 86 Posted by: xyz | Dec 21, 2016 8:36:28 AM | 69 Posted by: somebody | Dec 21 2016 16:39 utc | 87 A few days ago I followed a link on this site’s comments to a YouTube video titled “Where is Eric Braverman?” It’s a daily series detailing the connections between the Clinton Foundation and the various players involved from Libya to the present. Frankly, no book or movie could provide more intrigue and drama than the actual story. Yet there is absolutely zero investigative work being done to my knowledge by any journalists, much less the government (they are neck deep in complicity). Anyone here following this YouTube series? Posted by: Musburger | Dec 21 2016 16:43 utc | 89 Is it allowed to connect this Posted by: Mina | Dec 21 2016 16:46 utc | 90 Btw the front page of Le Canard Enchaîné, widely read among French politicians, has it that the US intelligence would have elements showing that Marine Le Pen is a Putin agent!! Posted by: Mina | Dec 21 2016 16:48 utc | 91 “I laughably point those more theologically oriented to this link and ask them why it seems there that pi = 3? If and when we answer that question I suspect there will be others just as daunting to those with the hubris to think mankind has all the answers in the myth of old.” Posted by: juliania | Dec 21 2016 16:52 utc | 92 Posted by: Laguerre | Dec 21, 2016 6:46:22 AM | 67 Posted by: somebody | Dec 21 2016 16:52 utc | 93 This exposes the depths of depravity these fanatics have fallen into—they sent their own young children to their deaths. Here the parents of two young girls fit them with suicide vests, send them into a police station in Damascus, and then press the button to blow them up remotely. They are 7 and 9 years old. Our concepts of crime and punishment, rehabilitation and reconciliation, and our naive assumption of innocence until proven guilty, don’t fit fanatics like this. We have been on the wrong side and will pay dearly for empowering these terrorists. Posted by: Syvia | Dec 21 2016 16:52 utc | 94 Increased security in Poland, Germany, Hungary and now this. The gig is up.
Posted by: ProPeace | Dec 21 2016 16:53 utc | 95 Sorry, psychohistorian, my computer can’t open that link, seems to be a nasa one? Posted by: juliania | Dec 21 2016 16:56 utc | 96 88 y It makes you wonder. The Grynspan analogy is strange. Posted by: somebody | Dec 21 2016 17:04 utc | 97 Jen@66 Posted by: juliania | Dec 21 2016 17:07 utc | 98 http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/12/20/us-army-deploys-tanks-europe-ratcheting-up-tensions-with-russia.html Posted by: Y | Dec 21 2016 17:09 utc | 99 @65 never mind / 68 jen / 73 virgile.. Posted by: james | Dec 21 2016 17:17 utc | 100 |
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