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December 17, 2016
Open Thread 2016-42

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Paveway IV @1
Well said, what could go wrong…
Maximo Sandin explains that biology is grounded on erroneous concepts tainted by 19th century cultural supremacism, translated in “survival of the fittest” and utilitarianism.

Posted by: estouxim | Dec 18 2016 5:20 utc | 101

jfl I think you a hit a nerve with your comments – which is a good thing. I truly enjoy and learn from your many contributions.

Posted by: Thirsty | Dec 18 2016 5:38 utc | 102

JS @ 103: great video, thanks…

Posted by: ben | Dec 18 2016 5:40 utc | 103

Russia Expert Stephen Cohen: New York Times Stokes a New McCarthyism Against Critics of U.S. Policy
Posted on Dec 15, 2016
Full article: http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/stephen_cohen_the_new_york_times_is_enabling_a_new_20161215

Posted by: ben | Dec 18 2016 6:19 utc | 104

Convinced warmongers were in E Aleppo, but why let these criminals off? Pity Russia Ambassador Vitaly Churkin and Dr. Bashar Jaafari – Permanent Representative to UN, brutally attacked by the warmongers.
I would love to see Kerry and Samantha Powers face lies after lies. A vid of Dr. Bashar Jaafari on “Syrian Regime” in ABC Australia Interview. Dr. Bashar Jaafari superb Eng – point to point rebuttal. After watching this vid – my deep respect for Dr. Bashar Jaafari a lone voce in UN.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6DSEkehMAI

Posted by: Jack Smith | Dec 18 2016 6:19 utc | 105

This is a question, thought I’d post it here to see if anyone has any input.
Myanmar. I know little about it, but I’m incredibly suspicious about about current atrocity reports. Haven’t really looked into them, but the same clowns who sold us Iraq/Libya/Syria seem to be now focusing on Myanmar, this to me is a red flag. It’s incredibly easy to be fooled by today’s sophisticated propaganda techniques, I don’t wish to wake up in a few years time with severe cognitive dissonance and the realisation I’ve aided yet another imperial adventure.
Thoughts?

Posted by: D. Barnes | Dec 18 2016 6:43 utc | 106

Trump Responds To Michelle Obama’s Claim That He Is The “End Of Hope” For America. Tyler Durden
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-17/trump-responds-michelle-obamas-claim-he-end-hope-america
A reader comment:
zorba THE GREEK knukles Dec 17, 2016 10:00 PM
I will be glad to see that gorilla leave the white house and go back in her cave. what a piece of shit liberal saying that to the country about the incoming president. no fucking class knuckle dragging baboon. i don”t blame Trump for not wanting to live in the White House after 8 years of housing monkeys, it will take 4 years to air the stink out.

Posted by: Jack Smith | Dec 18 2016 7:06 utc | 107

Alberto 98
Veterans today…. PTSD. Perhaps in amongst their gossip and rumor mongering and outright fiction there will be elements of truth, but you really have to aim a bit higher for links.

Posted by: Peter AU | Dec 18 2016 7:28 utc | 108

What nonsense the piece on Dzerzhinsky – Lenin considered him the most resolute of Bolsheviks.

Posted by: ashley albanese | Dec 18 2016 7:48 utc | 109

If anything it seems to me the media are playing down the slaughter of Muslims in Burma.
A little history – ethnic cleansing in Burma/Myanmar dates back to the rule of General Aung San who was the UK’s preferred choice of leader when circumstances forced them to relinquish Burma as a colony. WW2 had split the nation created by drawing lines on a map. Some ethnic groups had welcomed Japanese intervention just as they had across the border in the British Raj of India, because they saw Japan as being fellow asians who liberated them from British rule. But there were also groups who favoured the Chinese particularly the Kuomintang, the Chinese Nationalist Army who lost to Mao Zedung’s People’s Army, most of whom then fled to Taiwan occupying that island and stealing land, political power and economic resources off the indigenous Taiwanese population.
General Li Mi hung around Northern Burma with his Chinese nationalist army staying there (the nationalist army that is, Li Mi karked it a long time ago) pretty much until the present day. Some may remember that the CIA used those guys to stir trouble on Vietnamese supply lines (aka the Ho Chi Minh trail) during the period of the amerikan invasion and occupation of Vietnam.
Burma/Myanmar has always been cursed with two seemingly unresolvable problems.
The first is that it is difficult to class a geographic entity made up of many disparate and mutually leery cultures, many of whom have centuries of conflict between each other, as a nation. Altho the conflict appears to have only become an existential problem for the people since imperialism became an essential component of western capitalism.
The second is that Burma is incredibly ‘blessed’ with mineral and energy resources. This was why the Brits were so reluctant to let it go, and why until Ne Win’s coup and the subsequent takeover by the military, Myanmar most resembled the Congo, as various players most notably english capitalists armed and funded the disparate groups to stage revolutions and drive out “that damn bore, Smedly-Carruthers-PshawPshaw who makes the most dreadful to do at a chap’s club when they run out of his favourite tipple”.
The asshole tail-end of english imperialism very nearly destroyed Burma until Ne Win & co took over.
After that, inter-tribal violence pretty much died down. The Military government aligned themselves with the so-called iron Curtain & Bamboo Curtain States and the Brits no longer got a look in so there wasn’t anyone causing ethnic conflict.
Aung San Suu Kyi , General Aung Sung’s daughter finagled a place in the Ne Win government and for some reason , she believed that gig, plus her father’s messed up attempt at ruling Burma had entitled her to be the next leader after Ne Win.
That didn’t happen so Aung San Suu Kyi split to England and cut a deal with the Brits. Suu Kyi was telegenic and knew how to present as the submissive little Asian ‘girl’ so during the 1980’s Aung San Suu Kyi joined Benazir Bhutto as the most rootable women pols among slightly leftish and totally screwed up Brit males.
Bhutto’s facade became tarnished probably because she married a Pakistani ‘businessman’ but Aung San Suu Kyi married an Oxford don who she barely lived with – chiefly because after she convinced the Burmese government to let her return to Burma and began stirring up mayhem using Brit cash, she knew if she left Burma she would never be allowed back in by the government.
As it was her activities caused a number of violent incidents which would have got anyone else prison or death but Aung San Suu Kyi had western media eating outta her hand outside burma and support from the urban ethnic Burmese bourgeoisie in Rangoon.
So much so that in 1991, the takeover of the Nobel committees by USuk had been achieved, and Aung San Suu Kyi was awarded the Nobel Peace prize – an obscenity that probably outdoes Barry Blam Blam’s Nobel victory for bad taste.
The military stood resolute so that even after 2003 when shrub rescinded the US objection to Britain re taking former colonies, the Brits simply couldn’t get Aung San Suu Kyi made prez, she is the power behind the throne however and has chosen to follow in her father’s footsteps, by encouraging ethic conflict to distract the Burmese urban majority from their shitty lives which are getting much worse thanks to the shift from agrarian socialism to neoliberal corporate capitalism which insists all monies be transferred outta Burma and into the wallets of Aung San Suu Kyi’s corporate ‘sponsors’.
The simple explanation is that just as brexit found favour in the hollow shell that is most of Northern England and Trump won big in the rust belt, Burmese nativism is down to greedy pricks exploiting the mess created by their greed by blaming it all on ‘the other’ those poor bastards who are even worse off.
The attacks on Rohingya Burmese are easy to sustain as the ‘new’ Burma is favouring a brand of Buddhist fundamentalism which considers anyone not a Buddhist to be not a citizen.
Things are gonna get bad as Rohingya are followera of a pretty toned down islam – just as their cousins in Bangladesh traditionally were. That puts Rohingya at odds with the wahabi nutjobs who are the most able to kick up a stink on their behalf . Nice one Johnny Saud you would have to be a special form of sociopathic asshole to go for this USuk stunt.
That leaves Iran and Pakistan to run with the issue at the UN and I cannot see many listening.
This is just more murder for empire and its awful to say it but the Rohingya will have to grab a ticket from the machine and take a seat because it could be a while.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Dec 18 2016 8:17 utc | 110

estouxim@105 – Thanks for those wonderfully thought-provoking links to Maximo Sandins work. He sounds like an interesting guy. Looking for more information on him on-line, I see that he certainly has his detractors as well – which only makes the subject all the more interesting. Well, to me anyways: Bare-knuckles rhetorical fights between Biology PhDs are worth their weight in gold – they should be a mandatory part of all higher education.
I only take exception to Dr. Sandin’s remark about the lack of an chickephant produced through evolution. Not only do they exist, but I had one for a pet as a child. We called him Mr. Muggles. Everyone loved Mr. Muggles, but he was quite noisy and ended up eating the neighbor’s cat one day, so we were forced to get rid of him.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Dec 18 2016 8:50 utc | 111

@Perimeter | Dec 17, 2016 11:32:24 “The relief organization World Vision compares Aleppo to Berlin …”
Some background from aangirfan: CHARITIES RUN BY THE SPIES?:

1. The new boss of Toybox is Lynne Morris. Lynne worked for World Vision for over 12 years
2. Jeni York is now a Toybox Trustee. Jeni was Human Resources Director at World Vision for 21 years.
3. Ian Gray is now Toybox’s International Programmes Director. Ian was Associate Director, Policy and Programme Innovation at World Vision.
World Vision is alleged to be a CIA-front organisation. “USAID is ‘the humanitarian arm of the CIA’ and Americares has been singled out as well. “World Vision is also a CIA front.”
It appears that large international charities such as World Vision are in fact intelligence cut-out operations for clandestine mind-control operations and other counter-intelligence activities around the world.
“World Vision employee, Mark David Chapman, worked at their Haitian refugee camp in Ft. Chaffee, Arkansas.
“He was later to gain infamy as the assassin of John Lennon in New York City.
“World Vision works with refugees worldwide.
“At the Honduran border, they are present in camps used by American CIA to recruit mercenaries against Nicaragua.
“They were at Sabra and Shatilla, camps in Lebanon where fascist Phalange massacred the Palestinians.
“Their representatives in the Cuban refugee camps on the east coast included members of the Bay of Pigs operation, CIA-financed mercenaries from Omega 7 and Alpha 66.
“Are they being used as a worldwide cover for the recruitment and training of these killers?
“They are, as mentioned earlier, working to repopulate Jonestown with Laotians who served as mercenaries for our CIA.”…
4. Reporter Andrew Geoghegan visited his 14 year old sponsored child in Ethiopia.
The girl has “been part of a World Vision program all her life” yet said “until recently, I didn’t know I had a sponsor.”
And when asked about her knowledge of World Vision sponsorship she said “Last time they gave me this jacket and a pen.”
Geoghegan was disconcerted to find that despite being “told by World Vision that the girl was learning English at school, and was improving… she speaks no English at all.”
(Geoghegan, Andrew “Ethiopia – The Endless Famine”, Foreign Correspondent, 25 November 2008, series 18, episode 22, Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
(http://www.oilempire.us/reagan.html)
World Vision “ran the refugee camp in Sabra-Shatilla where the fascist Phalange were allowed in to kill the Palestinians…
“They ran the Cuban and Thai refugee camps in the United States.
“Mark David Chapman, who eventually shot John Lennon, worked at the Thai refugee camps out in Arkansas that World Vision operated there.
“They ran these camps brutally, forcing people into political education against Castro, refusing to feed people, beating people…
“The chairman of the board for some period was John W. Hinkley Sr..
“The son worked at Fort Chafey at the Thai refugee camps.
“There were pictures of him after the Reagan shooting running in his World Vision T-shirt around the edge of the camp…
“Scott was already doing the wheeling and dealing and was tight with Neil Bush…”
Jonestown – linked to the CIA and World Vision
And what about the Jonestown Massacre and World Vision?
(Source: Jonestown Massacre by Fiona Steel, published at Court TV’s Crime Library)
Allegedly Jonestown was part of a CIA mind-control program: the CIA infiltrated The People’s Temple, to carry out their experiments.
CIA theorists claim that Jim Jones had many questionable associations with the CIA throughout the years he was establishing The People’s Temple.
The Temple had a strong association with the World Vision organisation that many believe to be another CIA front.
(http://www.crimelibrary.com/8)
“Jim Jones had a very interesting past which was overlooked by the media: Jones was … sent to Brazil where his house, transportation and groceries were provided to him by the U.S. Embassy, and he frequently traveled to Belo Horizonte, the CIA headquarters in Brazil.
“Jones had been contacted in Ukiah by ‘Christian missionaries’ from World Vision (World Vision is a CIA controlled front operation), an evangelical order which had performed espionage work for the CIA in Southeast Asia.”
(http://www.subversiveelement.com/Firefromsky20.html)
Hillary Clinton after donating $2,000,000,000 to World Vision.
The ‘CIA front’ organisation World Vision UK has its HQ in Milton Keynes.

Posted by: ProPeace | Dec 18 2016 9:40 utc | 112

Vintner’s synthetic cell is to the biological world what Vonnegut’s ice-nine was to the crystalline.
Except that Vonnegut’s was just a cautionary tale and Vinter’s is the real thing.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 18 2016 10:17 utc | 113

Posted by: Jack Smith | Dec 18, 2016 12:16:08 AM | 104
The ceasefire seems to have been brokered between Turkey and Russia – with no one else involved.
This here is the somewhat likeley version of the Teheran Times

Posted by: somebody | Dec 18 2016 10:46 utc | 114

A turkish paper wrote that Syrian army arrested 15 officers from “coalition” in Aleppo, including american, turkish, israeli, jordonian, saudi, qatari, and even a Moroccan. They even published the names of the officers. Apparently, they were hiding in a cellar of destroyed building. The name of the american officer is David Scott Winer. Is there a way to confirm?

Posted by: kemerd | Dec 18 2016 10:47 utc | 115

thanks Perimeter, may I ask which software you used?

Posted by: Mina | Dec 18 2016 10:58 utc | 116

PavewayIV @115 – My condolences on the unfortunte fate of Mr. Muggles. Maybe he lacked the right amount of selfish genes, hehe…
But yes, Sandin is thought-provoking as he piles up evidence that biological processes are far, far more complex then the prevalent cause-effect, machine-like, utilitarian concepts derived from 19th century afirmation of science as the new religion, high-priests and Nobel liturgy included.
If it works and it makes money we do it, never mind the consequences. -Let’s just get these seeds to market, we’ll make a killing never mind what we don’t understand, just call it junk DNA, we have no use for it.-
And as Sandin and others warned and Seralini experimentally demonstrated the side-effects are catastrophic even when there is no glyphosate in the feed. The transgenic is toxic enough, the mechanism yet to be found. No problem, “science” will fix it, Bayer is allready on the job, buying Monsanto they’ll profit both from the poison and from the remedy.
Also thought-provoking and enlightening on the mindset that more generally produced this state of affairs is Domenico Losurdo’s “Liberalism, a counter-history”. A good read if you have the time, details how the liberal thought justified slavery on industrial scale by affirming the individual right – as long, of course, as the individual belonged to the right kind, all others not deserving – If you haven’t read it you can find reader reviews on the book’s amazon site, you can find the torrent on piratebay.

Posted by: estouxim | Dec 18 2016 11:49 utc | 117

@114 DiD, ‘A little history – ethnic cleansing in Burma/Myanmar dates back to the rule of General Aung San who was the UK’s preferred choice of leader when circumstances forced them to relinquish Burma as a colony.’
i agree with your conclusions in the present about buddhist fundamentalism and the fate of muslims in burma, and i agree that aung san suu kyi is tied to the west, but i think aung san himself was a good guy – he did kill karen during the war when he sided with the japanese, viewing them as possibly friends and certainly the lessor of two evils, because the karen were allied with the brits, but the shan and other ‘minorities’ liked and respected him – chances are the tory brits murdered him in order to throw a monkey wrench into independent burma. not unlike what they did to india/pakistan with the east-west division and in kashmir.
Who really killed Aung San? bbc youtube
Who Killed Aung San? same info in print from The Irrawaddy
Panglong Conference
Panglong Agreement
Alternatively, Naing Win / Kyin Ho, M.D. claims Newin killed Aung San
Who Really Killed General Aung San And His Cabinet Members ?
Newin and the SLORC were no damn good at all.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 18 2016 12:53 utc | 118

George W. Bush
George H.W. Bush
Dick Cheney
Robert M. Gates
Donald Rumseld
James Baker
Condoleezza Rice
endorsing Rex Tillerson….
Doesn’t sound good.
http://www.westernjournalism.com/george-w-bush-makes-his-position-known-on-trumps-secretary-of-state-pick/

Posted by: From The Hague | Dec 18 2016 13:09 utc | 119

Pamela Anderson support Assange.
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2016/12/12/pamela-anderson-calls-julian-assange-hero-and-asks-for-his-release.html

Posted by: Lionsshare | Dec 18 2016 13:42 utc | 120

#125 follow-up
Or they know their game is over now.
Adjusting, touting..

Posted by: From The Hague | Dec 18 2016 13:48 utc | 121

MSM (BBC) reports negative facts about “rebels”!
Aleppo battle: Rebels burn Syria evacuation buses
22 minutes ago
Several buses en route to evacuate the sick and injured from two government-held villages in Syria’s Idlib province have been burned by rebels.
The convoy was travelling to Foah and Kefraya, besieged by rebel fighters.
Pro-government forces are demanding people be allowed to leave the mainly Shia villages in order for the evacuation of east Aleppo to restart.
Thousands of people are waiting to leave in desperate conditions, reports say.
The initial plan to evacuate eastern Aleppo collapsed on Friday, leaving civilians stranded at various points along the route out without access to food or shelter.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-38358177

Posted by: From The Hague | Dec 18 2016 14:26 utc | 122

@125 CEOs of TNCs taking over the highest level government positions. dealing directly with other CEOs of other TNCs in other jurisdictions … under neither jurisdiction really, but dealing corporation to corporation. any ‘legal’ problems can be fixed forthwith.
this is like thaksin in thailand … bloomberg in nyc … berlusconi/renzi in italy, maybe we’re not used to it, because up until now compliant presidents, ministers, and prime ministers were sufficient to meet their demands … but now its revolution … the corps want more then the laws allow … revolution … more than mere elected officials can deliver. these guys are there to change the laws directly as required by each ‘deal’ they make, or to undo them completely … remember tee-rump’s pledge to eliminate two regulations for every new one made? … the number of regulations that need elimination will dictate the number of new ones required – half those eliminated … or the other way round … the number of new ones required to enable a deal will carry a bonus of twice that many eliminated. we’re going to see government – not like we’ve never had before – just like we’ve never seen before. crimes in the open. it’s been happening since the turn of the millennium, but now without any attempt made to cover it up.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 18 2016 14:37 utc | 123

Tomorrow, 19 December 2016, another December day that may go down in infamy as the day the Constitution and the idea itself of the Republic died. Indeed, a CIA engineered coup d’état from beginning to end. Cry not though for the ‘citizen’, few experience a real loss of their Republic, their hearts captured under delusions of some dream ‘democratic’ estate; for the most part unqualified by education, or intellect, through thought or spirit to exercise that ròle as accomplished citizens of a Republic, responsible for its governance. About half the electorate hardly qualifies as adult enough to be trusted with the responsibility of voting and should be relieved of such burden. Only a diminished portion of those who remain have the intellect or education to sustain a popular republic and the attention governance requires. It is not nearly the wonder that oligarch and elite have supplanted and replaced the Republic birthed more than two centuries ago. That Republic lasted just above the life expectancy of Republics and came no where near the time its progenitor republic in Rome persisted. Enjoy your empire – if you can keep it – there is not much after that goes.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Dec 18 2016 15:13 utc | 125

127;Tillerson is an oilman like the Bushes.I guess they know him.
Harry Law;I have no idea why people would give a pass to a fraud POTUS.Wouldn’t checking his mothers passport tell us where she was at his birth?And yes,Cruz was ineligible.
Over at the Graun;Story about the assassin(Greenpsyn?) who shot a German(Von Rath?) in Paris in 38 which started Kristallnacht,which ended up a disaster for German Jews.They have a photo taken in 46 of him.How would an assassin of a German official escape Nazi punishment in CCs?

Posted by: dahoit | Dec 18 2016 15:17 utc | 126

Re: Mina | Dec 18, 2016 5:58:23 AM | 122
I tried translating the page using just the URL (Bing translate does this easily), but got error codes from Google Translate and Bing Translate, which said “unable to translate secure page.”
So I just copied sections of text and pasted into Bing Translate. I have found that sometimes it is wise to use at least two different translation softwares, in order to compare results.
There can be subtle but important differences, especially Russian to English.
Re: Posted by: ProPeace | Dec 18, 2016 4:40:52 AM | 116
I think you have me confused with another post?

Posted by: Perimetr | Dec 18 2016 15:18 utc | 127

D Barns 110
Go back through Tony Cartalucci’s articles from the last few years
http://journal-neo.org/author/tony-cartalucci/
His site here http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com.au/

Posted by: Peter AU | Dec 18 2016 15:21 utc | 128

Thanks to Peter AU and others for slightly relieving my ignorance about Myanmar. This article on Aung San Suu Kyi in the the Myanmar Times is quite fascinating, it seems press freedom isn’t really a problem there: http://www.mmtimes.com/index.php/opinion/24228-has-daw-aung-san-suu-kyi-taken-on-too-much.html
Also, today Myanmar’s army seized an outpost from a rebel faction, but it seems western media has no interest? Can’t find any msm sources: http://www.themalaymailonline.com/world/article/myanmar-army-takes-outpost-from-powerful-rebel-group

Posted by: D. Barnes | Dec 18 2016 15:54 utc | 129

jfl@129
“… remember tee-rump’s pledge to eliminate two regulations for every new one made? ”
Alternatively to your (rational) conclusion, the eternal irrational in me wants to say: but also remember Obama telling us that everything the banks were doing to shaft us is technically ‘legal’ so there’s nothing he can do but praise them for being clever enough to do it. Trump has also said that he took every advantage he could of those ‘regulations’ – so he’s going to be in a prime spot to ferret them out now and cancel them.
That’s how I irrationally read it.

Posted by: juliania | Dec 18 2016 15:59 utc | 130

I agree with you, Formerly T-Bear@ 131, that if the electors do not honor the duty imposed upon them by the Constitution, there will have been a coup rendering that document null and void. And ironically enough, it will have been the manner in which the elites have consistently sought to return us to pre-Constitutional days when only the few had an adequate education that accomplishes this – whereas the thrust of the nation’s history since it was formed has been to educate the populace in order that they may make free choices of governance not based on instinct or prejudice but on the well-ordered education available to all, rich and poor.
Just look at how those who still strive to get a college education are so burdened by debt they will never be free of it, and so inadequately served in the job market that they can never rise above that debt! And then too, look at the sort of education they are achieving when they do manage to find a way in!
It’s no wonder people are confused and downhearted. This has been orchestrated. And it will be a terrible day indeed, if government is cast aside tomorrow.

Posted by: juliania | Dec 18 2016 16:14 utc | 131

Apparently the UNSC meeting Friday last was in response to NATO officers being captured in Aleppo. Being in Syria ILLEGALLY prevents the NATO personnel from receiving protection under the Geneva Conventions.
https://uprootedpalestinians.wordpress.com/2016/12/18/arrested-nato-officers-in-aleppo-were-in-country-illegally-and-are-not-therefore-covered-by-the-geneva-convention/
http://www.voltairenet.org/article194590.html

Posted by: ALberto | Dec 18 2016 17:14 utc | 132

“Thanks to information received, Syrian authorities discovered the headquarters of high ranking western/NATO officers in the basement of an area in East Aleppo and have captured them alive. Some names have already been given to Syrian journalists, myself included. The nationalities are US, French, British, German, Israeli, Turkish, Saudi, Moroccan, Qatari etc. In light of their nationalities and their rank, I assure you that the Syrian government have a very important catch, which should enable them to direct negotiations with the countries that have tried to destroy them.”
Although these initial reports describe the individuals in question as “NATO” officers, it’s unlikely they would have been carrying NATO colors on a covert operation – and might be more accurately labeled as US Coalition officers. Note that early reports suggest that these are not standard ‘street rebel’ or jihadi terrorists but actual Coalition military personnel and field commanders.
http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/12/16/reports-at-least-10-nato-military-officers-captured-by-syrian-special-forces-this-morning-in-east-aleppo-bunker/
AU @112 so the information provided by VT in invalid because it was posted on VT? Really? Are you a child?

Posted by: ALberto | Dec 18 2016 17:33 utc | 133

wrt comment(s) above concerning “low comment” on this blog…
barflys come and go… as do the trolls. The one constant is the insightful analysis rendered by our host. I come here for b’s comments, the rest is just gravy. Sometimes I find a real gem out of a handful. I could do without the personal attacks by some against one or more posters, but human nature being what it is, most of us expect some level of ego to slip in now and again… the level here is imho much much lower than most blogs.
As for the ‘level’ of comment, what is one person’s perception of that is certainly different from another’s.
In short, I find MOA to be a top-notch blog and excellent source of information. ymmv

Posted by: crone | Dec 18 2016 18:37 utc | 134

Cold War Hysteria vs. US National Security
Allegations that Putin “stole” the election for Trump further prevent the urgent discussion needed to cope with grave new Cold War dangers.
By Stephen F. Cohen
https://www.thenation.com/article/cold-war-hysteria-vs-us-national-security/
Pod cad

Posted by: okie farmer | Dec 18 2016 18:46 utc | 135

74
A friend in SE Asia sent me photos of abducted children, tape across their mouths, tape binding their hands behind them and their knees to their chests, then taped into heavy cardboard shipping containers, to be sent through international mail, in this case to Thailand, and hopefully for the ‘adopt an orphan’ swindle, but that’s the same swindle the pedo’s would be auctioning off of, and not really any different than the ‘fashion model’ swindle, or the ‘starlet’ swindle, or the ‘cheerleader’ swindle that gets young girls into the pedo circle, or the ‘sex tourism bar girl’ operations you see on the ground in every country, pay her bar ‘rent’ and the 1-hour motel room next door, which is all just one big lap dance in the infinity of the cosmos of starving and dying young children from around the world, every day. Don’t visit rural Philippines or India or China, you’ll go mad. Don’t walk the barrios at sunset, and have the starving children chase after you, pleading, ‘Money, money, money!’
They live in impossible circumstances. They carry a cup of gasoline in a plastic bag, in case the moto that they’ve paid a 50% balloon fee to the loan sharks for, sputters during their daily commute. If they don’t sell, they don’t eat, and as the Petrocene Era comes to an end, and the price of all forms of energy begins to climb the wall of woe that the Rentiers and their ZIRP have created, then the harvesting of food and creation of paying jobs will begin to steeply decline. We’ll all personally see children sold as pedo pawns in front of us for whatever venezuelan ratfest civilization the world devolves to, then at some point, we’ll find ourselves looking the other way, at a world reduced to a drowning blur in the rear-view mirror.
How many young angels can dance on the head of a nail? Many more, if you duct-tape them together. Fröhliche Weihnachten!!

Posted by: chipnik | Dec 18 2016 18:58 utc | 136

Sidebar: — re. some posts above:
Glencore is in desperate shape and losing money hand over fist, re-trenching, cutting off parts of its ops.
MSM selection (the nos. are all dicey.) 2015/16.
Guardian
WSJ
Business Insider
‘Real’ news aka *banking reports* etc. are more pessimistic (no links, sorry..)
———
Trump’s pick of Exxon-Mobil Tillerson is on line to curbing brakes on exploiting Fossil Fuels to the hilt.
Tillerson will promote, imho, investments / etc., partnerships, w. Russia to exploit the last consequent reserves in a stable envrionment, as previous admins effed up not only Russia – ex USSR (1990 >, failed rapine but for a few bandits who cashed in), but also Iran, Iraq, the whole “ME” (without KSA etc.) and instead of cooperating with e.g. Venezuela effed them over.
Energy need, providing the golden spout, is the no. 1 key to offering more revenues and employment to the US, so denying climate change, ignoring pollutions regs and the like, etc. is mandatory.
Wait an’ see, soon! consequent ‘energy’ projects between USA and Russia.

Posted by: Noirette | Dec 18 2016 19:02 utc | 137

Latest Update trapped Anglo-Saxon mercenaries in Aleppo
OBAMA’S PSYCHOPATHS ATTACK BUS FOR SICK PEOPLE NEAR FAW’AH; THE THIRD INTIFAADHA IS COMING THANKS TO TRUMP!; FOREIGN MERCENARIES STILL STUCK IN ALEPPO
Ziad Fadel / 3 hours ago
ALEPPO: “…….Syrian, Russian and Iranian governments are not talking about the fact that over 11 American special forces operatives working for the CIA, and 2 retired British SAS terrorists functioning as “independent contractors” ………over 30 Turkish military elements, are still stuck in East Aleppo with no credible opportunity to leave. There was an earlier attempt to sneak them out of the city when they were dressed up as civilians and mingled with earlier groups of evacuees. That failed when the SAA-MI people checked everyone’s identification and spoke to many of the citizens in Arabic, a language most or all of the American buffoons never mastered…….. Another fear is that the agents will be lumped together with the remaining foreign rodents inside East Aleppo where their fate will be sealed as the army is planning a final push in to Sukkari to eradicate every trace of the Chechen, Albanian and Uigher …
http://syrianperspective.com/2016/12/obamas-psychopaths-attack-bus-for-sick-people-near-fawah-the-third-intifaadha-is-coming-thanks-to-trump-foreign-mercenaries-still-stuck-in-aleppo.html

Posted by: Jack Smith | Dec 18 2016 20:08 utc | 138

@101 Perimeter. Unfortunately no I dont have the officer’s name as he wished to stay anonymous. Apologies to all for all the space taken, this was copy/pasted from an email exchange from a few years ago as the original link is now 404.. Whether true or not the content is in line with Putin’s clean up and curbing of many (zio) oligarchs from the nineties..

Posted by: Lozion | Dec 18 2016 20:53 utc | 139

Comprehensive list of “evidence” compiled on the pizzagate affair here: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1497611

Posted by: Lozion | Dec 18 2016 21:18 utc | 140

@137 julianna – “those who still strive to get a college education are so burdened by debt they will never be free of it”
There is so much dark irony in that…. higher education is meant to free the population. Today, it appears more a tool to enslave.
A double whammy for many, as I find that extra 4-8 years not only fully plugs the bank account into the system, but the mind and body as well. Perfect stenographers for the status quo. “Remember children, don’t rock the boat!!”
A generalisation perhaps as there are many institutions out there preaching critical thought, though I would say with some certainty that the percentage of them out there is declining. Like banks, they look more like they function as part of the retail sector, and don’t play the specialised role they are meant to FOR society

Posted by: MadMax2 | Dec 18 2016 21:36 utc | 141

@137 juliana, @147 mm2
phoenix university. a scam leaving the government collecting the debt and the scammers running with the dough
@147 mm2,
i think you’re right on with your criticism. take stanford. all they are now is a technical school, ‘teaching’ their students to jump on the mill of technical ‘innovation’ … to nowhere. to twitter. to chase their tails. to more and more of the same. and the same is killing us all and mother earth, as well. i mean mother earth as we knew and loved here. she’ll outlast our pipsqueak race, as you’ve pointed out before. but at what cost?

Posted by: jfl | Dec 18 2016 22:56 utc | 142

@145 lozion
i googled a piece of the text you posted and came up with the same text, elsewhere.
it looks to me like post collapse spin, although certainly the Russians have fallen back on traditional Russian culture since the collapse of the USSR. But Felix Dzerzhinsky was a Polish catholic!
is it just me, or does anyone else detect a deep mystical strain among the Russians? at once attractive and repulsive.
in the course of googling references i came upon a link to Muzeon, the Fallen Monument Park. i guess i’m taking notes for the fall of the USSA.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 18 2016 23:15 utc | 143

@143 noriette, ‘Wait an’ see, soon! consequent ‘energy’ projects between USA and Russia.’
absolutely. damn the torpedos, full speed ahead! the fusiliers stumble, the fossil-fuelers overtake them on the inside. the financiers, of course, still lead the race … over the cliff.
it’s the paleo-cons in full ‘bloom’.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 18 2016 23:26 utc | 144

@142 chipnick
thanks for the reality porn. welcome break from the war porn. PornOrNot? the world descends into the world of porn, in every direction, as far as the eye can see. yeah. that’s the choice. porn in the rearview with the zombie ‘elite’ in their unmanned vehicles, or up-close and personal with their victims, on planet earth, on the ground.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 18 2016 23:34 utc | 145

jflJ@149 Yes Dzerzhinsky was catholic thus christian and it is contended he was sort of a double agent. Who knows?
Agreed with the mystical strain statement. Russian orthodoxy has its roots in the Levantine interpretation of gospel which quite differs from Rome.
Also, the monasticism of early churches was and is still is a common trend in Russian orthodoxy. My take is this US vs Russia “conflict” has also a spiritual component to it. One only needs to observe american moral degradation (see @146 for ex) to come to that conclusion. Note that the Saint George against the Dragon episode originates in Levantine (eastern) Orthodox Church. Substitute George for a Bear and we get imo an allegory close to current times..

Posted by: Lozion | Dec 18 2016 23:38 utc | 146

@140, crone, ‘ I come here for b’s comments, the rest is just gravy. ‘
i certainly agree with you there.
‘As for the ‘level’ of comment, what is one person’s perception of that is certainly different from another’s.’ i’ve always noted and enjoyed yours.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 18 2016 23:38 utc | 147

@129 juliana
i dream too … but i always wake up
@131 jewels, ‘… the elites have consistently sought to return us to pre-Constitutional days when only the few had an adequate education that accomplishes this …’
and then they heap scorn and ridicule upon us. their depravity knows no bounds.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 18 2016 23:50 utc | 148

@89 g,
i have benefitted from your comments, of course. thanks for taking mine in the spirit offered. it’s silly, perhaps, to form affections on the basis of words sent out over the ether, but i’ve always liked yours and you.
@99 ben
thanks to you, too. i think you’re ok, too. in fact i think most folks are ok at moa, and elswhere. and i’m surely wrong about the others.
@106 thirsty
thank you, too. i enjoy your comments as well. better to say so once in awhile for sure, so i say so to you, and to one and all, now.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 19 2016 0:01 utc | 149

What a cracker of a comment: “Mr Hope & Change” …. love it: small change I assume, certainly no folding note – the only things he folded was all his promises to the electors (Gitmo; Afghan;Iraq; …), … oh, and the Tuesday Kill list in his back seat pocket.

“Michelle, you may not realize it, but Americans rejected you and everything you stand for. They know what hope is. Hope is when people, 30,000 at a time, stand in line, in the cold, with their children, hoping to get the glimpse of a man they think can change the course of their lives from the downward spiral that you and “Mr. Hope & Change” have put them on.”

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-18/judge-jeanine-slams-michelle-hopeless-comment-americans-rejected-you-and-everything-

Posted by: x | Dec 19 2016 0:32 utc | 150

@100 perimetr
thanks for the translation …

heute.de:
… what needs to be done to stabilize the situation in Syria …?
Meyer:
… [that] the most important opponent [of Assad, the US] makes a climb-down and one can proceed even together against the terrorists. … It remains open whether Trump keeps what he has promised in the election campaign.

yes, it does remain open ..

Germany has no influence on what is happening in Syria

… Germany can have great influence on the US … just say no! …

heute.de:
What can Russia and the other allies do to quickly improve the situation?
Meyer:
There are two ways: one is the more military support for Assad to the reconquest of the country as a whole. While the fighting will focus after the consolidation of the situation in East Aleppo initially mainly on the remaining strongholds of Islamist militias in the province of Idlib and in the South of Damascus. The second way would be the inclusion of intra-Syrian negotiations on a peaceful solution. That the United States is again started to supply the “moderate” rebels with weapons, is as unhelpful.

… Germany could denounce the Nobel Peace Prize Laureate’s last gasp ration of wanton death, devastation, and destruction in Syria …
Germany might prepare itself for the change of reign … i guess they’re hedging their bets? waiting to see if the cia’s last desperate ploy will play out in the USA?
in addition to the amusement of watching all the msm ‘skillfully’ play themselves as backers of tee-rump all along … it will be amusing to see Germany do so, once the scramble for normalization and trade with Russia begins in earnest.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 19 2016 1:13 utc | 151

Ho-ho-ho!
Ukraine Nationalizes Its Largest Bank, Which Holds 36% Of All Domestic Deposits
Dec 18, 2016 8:14 PM
It was just a few short days ago, on Wednesday of last week, that Ukraine’s largest lender, PrivatBank, said that reports it will be nationalized were “attempts to create panic and destabilize the political situation in the country.”
Local media, quoted by Reuters, speculated that Privatbank, which is part-owned by one of Ukraine’s richest men, billionaire Ihor Kolomoisky, could be privatized if it does not meet a year-end deadline for Ukraine banks to reach a capital ratio requirement agreed under an International Monetary Fund bailout program. However, what made Privatbank unique, is that with some $6 billion in private deposits – or 36.5% of Ukrainian banks’ total – it puts America’s own TBTF banks to shame: the bank is an absolute giant which controls nearly half of the local banking sector.”

The Israeli Junta Coup in Ukraine immediately looted $35 BILLION of gold bullion from the Ukraine Treasury, then shipped it off to NYC private bank vaults, and in return, the IMF private bank issued a tranche towards $35 BILLION in loans, that the Israeli Junta Coup in Kiev used to create $50 BILLION in Ukraine Junk Bonds, for use in buying up and privatizing all the prime ag lands and industrial properties, of which Ukraine is famous for, and is also the largest rocket engine and gun manufacturer. Who knew? Well, not the poor folks on MH17.
Here’s where it gets good! When private IMF bank stalled on the second tranche over Kiev’s junk bond privatization scheme, so then Kerry and the US Senate scooped $50 BILLION out of the Treasury, in July 15th, for a ‘Special Fund’. Kerry stated, illegally and unconstitutionally, that the US government would ‘fully backstop the IMF loans to our friends in Kiev.’
The Ukraine junk bonds started defaulting almost immediately after. Now the biggest bank is nationalized, and Americans are all giddy-up that Trump has assigned every USA finance arm to the Goldmans: Fed, Treasury, NEC, Commerce and OMB, now the entire global financial system is controlled by Those Who May Not Be Spoken Of, and USArya is headed towards a (-)$32 TRILLION ‘debt’.
Let’s review:
Ukraine citizens looted of $35B in gold bullion by Junta Coup;
Chosen IMF bankers issue $35B in private loans to illegal junta;
Illegal junta issues $50B in junk paper to privatize Ukraine;
Kerry and Co loot $50B from public Treasury to refi private IMF;
.: $85B in public wealth has been bicycled into private hands.
The Trump Bicycling Revolution has begun, and nobody seems to notice, and nobody seems to care.
Vud you like zome Venezuelan schnapps, perhaps?

Posted by: chipnik | Dec 19 2016 4:37 utc | 152

@ chipnik
Look around you on MoA and what do you read?
It is all capitalism’s fault. This concept that doesn’t exist is the problem with our society. I come here like you wanting to make a difference and this is what we get. Folks complaining about capitalism.
The brainwashing against understanding that private finance is the cancer we all face is quite effective, wouldn’t you agree?
I will continue to state the obvious until they put me away but am less optimistic about the outcome today.
If we can’t understand as a species what is killing us, what chance is there for progress?
May peace be with you.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 19 2016 6:12 utc | 153

@105 estouxim
thanks for that link. i had read of lateral transmission of DNA sequences before, but Maximo Sandin very skillfully puts the origin and effects of such transmission into its matrix, and shows how recognizing that matrix reduces the wildly improbable odds of coincident ‘random mutations’ to something plausible and feasible. and his relations of the ‘paradigm’ from biology to socio-economics shows how the ‘wild economists’ mutations’ can finally be contained within a human matrix as well. i think it is a very good work. i’m surprised it’s not more current. although it might be, i may just read in the wrong circles. thanks again for introducing me to it.
@159 psycho
but aren’t the ‘things’ described as ‘capitalism’ and ‘private finance’ the same thing? we all see the problem, what we call it needn’t be a cause for division. Maximo Sandin’s work is a case in point, of recognizing the same problem under different names in different manifestations and studied under different regimes.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 19 2016 9:08 utc | 154

Things coming to a head in Donbass?
IMF Refused To Grant Kiev The $ 1.3 Billion Until They Pay Up What’s Owed To Mother Russia !

‘The IMF said that the next tranche would not come until we settled our relations on the Russian Eurobond of $3 billion. This is a clear position of the IMF that there will not be a new tranche until these three billion are either restructured, or returned to the Russian Federation,’ said Skorik.

Kolomoisky’s Privatbank passes to Ukrainian government ownership

The government said the move was undertaken in coordination with Ukraine’s international lenders and with their support, and that it would ensure a smooth transition and the stable running of the bank. Ukraine has relied on billions of dollars of loans from the International Monetary Fund for the past two years, although recent installments have been stalled by the slow pace of economic and anticorruption overhauls.
The government said its decision was needed to “save Privatbank and the whole banking system.”
Ukraine has been cleaning up its banking sector in the last two years, shuttering several dozen ailing lenders in a rare success for the country’s pro-Western leadership. But it has long held off from Privatbank, which was controlled by powerful tycoon Ihor Kolomoisky and accounts for around one-third of all deposits in the country, despite concerns that it needs billions in additional capital.
Recapitalizing Privatbank and other large lenders, as well as reducing their lending to shareholders, is part of the $17.5 billion IMF bailout program.

Kiev Junta confirmation on large losses near Debaltsevo

‘AS REPORTED BY NAZI JUNTA MEDIA ~ . The heavy artillery is massively shelling the Ukrainian forefront positions. Unfortunately, serious losses are confirmed from various sources. There are dead and wounded. So far I can not refine the information as there is not a stable connection with the advanced units, they are in combat. We have failed to suppress the enemy artillery. Soldiers of the 54th brigade continue to hold their positions, trying to exactly respond the Russian aggressors … This is a bad day for the whole of Ukraine,’ writes Butusov.

Sudden Ukrainian offensive in Lugansk ends in heavy losses, retreat

According to Ukrainian sources, five Ukrainian troops were killed and 26 were wounded. Reports have since come in that more than 35 have been wounded, most being evacuated to the military hospital while others could not be withdrawn from the battlefield due to intense artillery fire. Ukrainian volunteer Yurii Mysyagin from Dnepropetrovsk has suggested that the number of dead has risen to six. The official “Anti-Terrorist Operation” headquarters has released significantly lower figures, counting only five dead and six wounded.
Earlier, the Lugansk People’s Militia claimed that “no fewer than 30 of Kiev’s troops have been killed and no less than two armored vehicles have been destroyed.”
Several sources on both the Ukrainian and Donbass sides have suggested that the sudden Ukrainian offensive could have been connected to internal squabbles, namely, the Ukrainian state’s acquiring of the infamous oligarch Igor Kolomoysky’s Privatbank, Ukraine’s largest commercial credit institution.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 19 2016 12:08 utc | 155

Trump names hard-line “deficit hawk” to head budget office

In a statement Saturday announcing the appointment, Trump declared, “Right now we are nearly $20 trillion in debt, but Mick is a very high-energy leader with deep convictions for how to responsibly manage our nation’s finances and save our country from drowning in red ink.”
Mulvaney’s convictions revolve around slashing entitlement programs like Medicare and Social Security, the largest single non-military areas of federal spending. In accepting the nomination, he said the Trump administration “will restore budgetary and fiscal sanity back in Washington after eight years of an out-of-control, tax and spend financial agenda, and will work with Congress to create policies that will be friendly to American workers and businesses.”
This is political code for cutting federal social spending drastically, to pay for further tax cuts for the wealthy and big business. Trump has pledged to cut the corporate tax rate from 35 percent to only 15 percent, a windfall for the rich that will come out the health care and retirement money of tens of millions of elderly and disabled working people.

Think tee-rump’s supporters will be happy with this guy?

Posted by: jfl | Dec 19 2016 12:12 utc | 156

So Kolomoisky is finally suffering a bout of indigestion from gorging himself on the rotting carcass that is the Ukrainian economy. It seems he has finally picked clean the bleached bones of Privatbank. According to a Reuter’s article:
“Risky lending practices had left a capital shortfall of around $5.65 billion on PrivatBank’s balance sheet as of Dec 1, while some 97 percent of its corporate loans had gone to companies linked to its shareholders…”
With 97% of corporate loans going to Kolomoisky and his cronies it seems that Privatbank was indeed Kolomoisky’s ‘Private Bank‘.
John Helmer‘s blog : “THE IMF IS POSTUREPEDIC, SO IGOR KOLOMOISKY CAN SLEEP WELL AT NIGHT” provides more detail. ( can’t provide link as Helmer’s website seems to be under attack again)
from the article:
The new loan terms announced by the IMF last week, postpone reform by the commercial banks until well into 2016. In the meantime, the IMF says it will allow about $4 billion of its loan cash to be diverted to the treasuries of the oligarch-owned banks. That is almost one dollar in four of the IMF loan to Ukraine.
The biggest beneficiary of last year’s IMF financing is likely to repeat its good fortune, according to sources close to the National Bank of Ukraine (NBU). This is PrivatBank, controlled by Igor Kolomoisky , governor of Dniepropetrovsk region and financier of several units fighting on Kiev’s side in the civil war.
snip
For collateral, Gontareva (NBU Governor) has accepted a shareholding in the bank, plus an undisclosed number of airplanes owned by Kolomoisky, or by airlines associated with the Privat group. …. They are all bankrupt, and so the asset value is uncertain and the subject of creditor claims pending in several countries
As for where the IMF money which has been paid into the Ukrainian banks has gone, the report discloses … the banking system faced large foreign currency outflows (US$3.1 billion). Capital controls likely prevented larger outflows, but were not fully effective in stemming them.”
In short, of the $3.2 billion disbursed to the Ukrainian treasury by the IMF at the start of May, $3.1 billion had disappeared offshore by the middle of August.
But of course Kolomoisky will never be held to account for his looting of Privatbank and the Ukrainian economy in general as well as absconding with billions of IMF funds. Not only is Kolomoisky is hooked into the US state department, via Bursima, his murky gas company where both VP Biden’s son and Kerry’s stepson(?) have been appointed as members of its Board. He is also president of European Council of Jewish Communities, which translates into backing from powerful Jewish interests in the US and Israel. He is, after all, one of the principals of the ‘The Israeli Junta Coup in Ukraine’ as chipnik so eloquently puts it and therefore untouchable.

Posted by: pantaraxia | Dec 19 2016 15:11 utc | 157

Russian ambassador gunned down in Ankara, seriously wounded: media
The Russian ambassador to Ankara was seriously wounded in a gun attack in the Turkish capital on Monday and was taken to hospital, NTV and other broadcasters reported.
Hurriyet newspaper’s English website said Ambassador Andrei Karlov was shot while making a speech at an art gallery. NTV said three other people were wounded.
CNN Turk television said shooting was continuing in the building.

Posted by: okie farmer | Dec 19 2016 16:45 utc | 158

@61
But the question I would like to pose is – is the US yet free to leave the Middle East, and concentrate its efforts on Asia? I would say no, they’re stuck. Netahyahu won’t let him. This could be a serious degradation of US interests.
If the U.S. pivots to Asia, it will start with escalating harassment of China. Netanyahu is no doubt very concerned with the growing cooperation between China and Iran. So I’m sure he’s pleased the U.S. is leaning on China.

Posted by: Circe | Dec 19 2016 17:33 utc | 159

re 165
Netanyahu wants to have the US defend him and destroy the Arabs. He wouldn’t want to lose that.

Posted by: Laguerre | Dec 19 2016 17:43 utc | 160

163
This blatant CF-esque looting of all Public Treasury’s is happening globally, you just have to look at the Modi Coup as example, or what they’ve done to Venezuela.
Really, the only STRATFOR worthy of discussion on MoA in this final hour before Z-Day, whenever that day comes, is whether the Crazy Train will come to a slow inexorable stop, with gradual extirpation of sub-classes by disenfranchisement then starvation, and leaving the Elites with a blissfully-depopulated Garden of QEn; or whether we’ll all be carried over the cliff by Trump and his band of Goldman Bankers and MIC Pentabombers in a slowly metastasizing Circle of Fire.
“From what I’ve tasted of desire, I hold with those who favor fire. But if it had to perish twice, I think I know enough of hate, To say that for destruction ice, Is also great, And would suffice.”
Now you have a glimmer of feeling for how the potato-eaters felt, as they waited, huddled by their peat fire, for the Bolshevik Revolution and the Petrocene Era to irrevocably change their lives, forever.
Your holiday read.
Froeliche Weinachten!

Posted by: chipnik | Dec 19 2016 20:32 utc | 161

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/dec/19/uber-self-driving-cars-bike-lanes-safety-san-francisco#comment-89796864
These self-driving, driverless cars – which will obviously be vulnerable to hackers, raises a question for me. What good will these self-driving cars be when hackers/terrorists will be able to load these things with explosives and remotely pilot them into areas to blow things up.
It’s an exciting future we have ahead of us isn’t it.

Posted by: Julian | Dec 20 2016 0:49 utc | 162

168
Amazing observation, and I’ll bet not a single one of the 2,000,000s plus civilian and military employees of the ‘Defense’ (sic) Department thought of that, when Uber said it was going to ignore calls for a halt, and just keep putting it out there, until it runs over some gramma pushing a baby buggy, then keeps right on going, license plate splattered with blood, to deliver the Bmob.
Uber is going after all the weed and drug dealers who will leave a package on the seat, then roll out of the car when it slows at an intersection, and let it keep going to the purchaser’s house. Then it’s not a ‘buy’ or ‘selling’, it’s just ‘possession’, and who would report it anyway? You think the cops are going to trail every Uber pizza delivery?
How long will Uber wait outside your house with the food package, lol? Will the next fare get to drink your milkshake? Won’t the Uber cars start to fill up with garbage and used condoms? It’s a mobile party palace for you, the booze, the bud and the hookers.
“Just drive around, just drive around.” Wonder what Uber is programmed to do? (If you’ve lived in Alaska, you’ll get that joke.)
Wonder if Blade Runner II will have Uber on everything for product placement? Wonder if the next Star Wars will? What a great subplot line, as Opie Wahn steps out of a Kim Jun restaurant and into the Uber, kabloooey!! Revenge of the Sith-Ubers, ha,ha,ha.

Posted by: chipnik | Dec 20 2016 7:46 utc | 163

159
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-20/ray-dalio-praises-trump-predicts-huge-changes-it-will-be-glorious-be-rich
It will be glorious to be rich, when the Bank-Broksters have the privilege now to churn your savings deposit up the wall of QEn and WWE woe, with the entire Finance arm of Government controlldd bg the Goldmanauts, and nobody left to say whoa, and somehow, these credit-debt pimps and whores have conflated themselves with capitalism and the Titans of Industry, but I’ll bet their little hands are as soft as a baby-s ass, and the only experience they have with Titaning is choking the investors with ‘structural readjustments’, e.g. looting their SS and MC TRUST FUNDS , like the Israeli Junta Coup in Kiev looted the Public Treasury. This isn’t ‘capitalism’, this is credit-debt train robbery, bicycling the Public Wealth into the private offshore bank accounts of the Rich and Famous, and now In Control. All your wealth are belong to us. A final Ashkenazim Hordes attack upon the Little People, as the Lords pull up their drawbridges, and count their new silver shekels.

Posted by: chipnik | Dec 20 2016 18:59 utc | 164

@168,169
Someone should ask Michael Hastings how well autonomous machines are contributing to his wellbeing. KEYWORDS: Maximum speed
It’s what you get for calling out a war on journalism.

Posted by: MadMax2 | Dec 20 2016 22:14 utc | 165