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December 03, 2016

Open Thread 2016-40

News & views ...

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@83 "Government-backed human trafficking - but for what purpose?"

To depress wages has a certain cause-and-effect logic to it.

Posted by: ruralito | Dec 4 2016 23:48 utc | 101

So according to a coupla sites , the Cheyenne River Lakotas have won their case and permission for the pipeline easement through federal land has just been denied.

"We will not fight tonight, we will dance!" -Rami Bald Eagle, Cheyenne River Lakota Tribal Leader"

And yeah I'm as cynical as anyone else about the long term outcome but Hey take yer wins when yer can eh?

Posted by: Debsisdead | Dec 5 2016 0:04 utc | 102

Pizzagate-Just the facts:

Posted by: Lozion | Dec 5 2016 0:39 utc | 103

and Another Neoliberal bites the dust

News outta Italy is also good Matteo Renzi's attempt to amend the constitution to make the government rather than the entire legislature (both houses) powerful enough to change laws has gone down in a screaming prang. Matteo Renzi has to resign since that is what he promised, and just for a change the populist replacement doesn't appear to be an islamophonic fascist.
Stand up Beppe Grillo, founder of Italy’s populist anti-austerity Five Star Movement is being touted as the mob most likely to take control of the Italian government.
Combine that with the routing of Norbert Hofer in the contest for Austrian prez & one could conclude that citizens of nations which have had experience of fascism aren't rapt at the thought of an encore.
Of course that isn't the message coming outta CNN et al who claim Grillo is a wanna be Mussolini (with zero supporting evidence natch).

Once again the world of 2016 being what it is I'm certain that this victory will not pan out as I hope, but fuck it, just as I celebrated when Clinton lost taking the hateful TPP down the gurgler with her, today I raise a glass of cheap tawny port to the stymying of another transparent corporate power grab.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Dec 5 2016 0:50 utc | 104

@ juliania who asked for clarification about my thoughts about religions in general and Xtians i particular.

I was raised Catholic and went to Catholic school for 12 years, the last 4 with Jesuits. I do give the Jesuits credit for teaching me to think.

As I thought more and educated myself further about history I wondered why religions were not fully relegated to honorable myth after the Enlightenment period. It was clear to me that they were pushing rules of social organization that were patriarchal and elitist....and still are. Their enforcement of the rules is beyond hypocritical now and I see many who ascribe to one or another but in name only. If Xtians leaders and their followers were true to their precepts we would not have war and the money changers would not exist.....hence my Devils pact theory.

And then as I learned more about the Cosmos we live in I realized the hubris of a species that creates Gods in their likeness. I explain it to folks this way:
1. Science, which I believe much of, has learned that the Cosmos consists of almost 5% matter, which we are starting to know some things about but still clueless in many ways.
2. The remaining 95% of the Cosmos the science folk have some theories about but mostly we are very clueless about that 95%
3. Does it make any sense that our species that is part of the 5% matter of the Cosmos can discover/create/believe in any deity given our utter ignorance at this point in our existence?
4. I think it takes the utmost hubris to do so and view religions as crutches for those that can't handle not knowing.

That said, I think that religions have come up with some useful thoughts to help guide society but should not be thought of as having any more of a clue than the scientists. Religions, IMO, should be relegated to the wonderful myth they represent in our history, certainly longer than the 6K years the "serious" Xtians believe. True science, that is based rigorously on rules of discovery has, IMO, ongoing relevance in our world.

Since I am on this topic and it is an open thread let me share some parts of an interview between Bill Moyers and Isaac Asimov that speaks more to this subject:

MOYERS: The fundamentalists see you as the very incarnation of the enemy, the epitome of the secular humanist who opposes God's plan for the universe. In 1984, the American Humanist Society gave you their Humanist of the Year Award, and you're now president of that organization. Are you an enemy of religion?

ASIMOV: No, I'm not. What I'm against is the attempt to place a person's belief system onto the nation or the world generally. We object to the Soviet Union trying to dominate the world, to communize the world. The United States, I hope, is trying to democratize the world. But I certainly would be very much against trying to Christianize the world or to Islamize it or to Judaize it or anything of the sort. My objection to fundamentalism is not that they are fundamentalists but that essentially they want me to be a fundamentalist, too. Now, they may say that I believe evolution is true and I want everyone to believe that evolution is true. But I don't want everyone to believe that evolution is true, I want them to study what we say about evolution and to decide for themselves. Fundamentalists say they want to treat creationism on an equal basis. But they can't. It's not a science. You can teach creationism in churches and in courses on religion. They would be horrified if I were to suggest that in the churches they teach secular humanism as an alternate way of looking at the universe or evolution as an alternate way of considering how life may have started. In the church they teach only what they believe, and rightly so, I suppose. But on the other hand, in schools, in science courses, we've got to teach what scientists think is the way the universe works.

MOYERS: But this is what frightens many believers. They see science as uncertain, always tentative, always subject to revisionism. They see science as presenting a complex, chilling, and enormous universe ruled by chance and impersonal laws. They see science as dangerous.

ASIMOV: That is really the glory of science - that science is tentative, that it is not certain, that it is subject to change. What is really disgraceful is to have a set of beliefs that you think is absolute and has been so from the start and can't change, where you simply won't listen to evidence. You say, "If the evidence agrees with me, it's not necessary, and if it doesn't agree with me, it's false." This is the legendary remark of Omar when they captured Alexandria and asked him what to do with the library. He said, "If the books agree with the Koran, they are not necessary and may be burned. If they disagree with the Koran, they are pernicious and must be burned." Well, there are still these Omar-like thinkers who think all of knowledge will fit into one book called the Bible, and who refuse to allow it is possible ever to conceive of an error there. To my way of thinking, that is much more dangerous than a system of knowledge that is tentative and uncertain.

MOYERS: Do you see any room for reconciling the religious view in which the universe is God's drama, constantly interrupted and rewritten by divine intervention, and the view of the universe as scientists hold it?

ASIMOV: There is if people are reasonable. There are many scientists who are honestly religious. Millikan was a truly religious man. Morley of the Michelson-Morley experiment was truly religious. There were hundreds of others who did great scientific work, good scientific work, and at the same time were religious. But they did not mix their religion and science. In other words, if something they understand took place in science, they didn't dismiss it by saying, "Well, that's what God wants," or "At this point a miracle took place." No, they knew that science is strictly a construct of the human mind working according to the laws of nature, and that religion is something that lies outside and may embrace science. You know, if there were suddenly to arise scientific, confirmable evidence that God exists, then scientists would have no choice but to accept that fact. On the other hand, the fundamentalists don't admit the possibility of evidence that would show, for example, that evolution exists. Any evidence you present they will deny if it conflicts with the word of God as they think it to be. So the chances of compromise are only on one side, and, therefore, I doubt that it will take place.

MOYERS: What frightens them is something that Dostoevski once said - if God is dead, everything is permitted.

ASIMOV: That assumes that human beings have no feeling about what is right and wrong. Is the only reason you are virtuous because virtue is your ticket to heaven? Is the only reason you don't beat your children to death because you don't want to go to hell? It's insulting to imply that only a system of rewards and punishments can keep you a decent human being. Isn't it conceivable a person wants to be a decent human being because that way he feels better?

I don't believe that I'm ever going to heaven or hell. I think that when I die, there will be nothingness. That's what I firmly believe. That's not to mean that I have the impulse to go out and rob and steal and rape and everything else because I don't fear punishment. For one thing, I fear worldly punishment. And for a second thing, I fear the punishment of my own conscience. I have a conscience. It doesn't depend on religion. And I think that's so with other people, too.

Even in societies in which religion is very powerful, there's no shortage of crime and sin and misery and terrible things happening, despite heaven and hell. I imagine if you go down death row, and ask a bunch of murderers who are waiting for execution if they believe in God, they'll tell you yes. I wouldn't be surprised if the number of people in jail for fraud, for violent crimes, for everything, includes a smaller percentage of acknowledged atheists than we have in the general population. So I don't know why one should think that just because you don't want a ticket to heaven, and you don't fear a ticket to hell, you should be a villain.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 5 2016 1:14 utc | 105

One more quote from that Bill Moyer/Isaac Asimov interview and then I will stop

MOYERS: Is it possible that you suffer from an excessive trust in rationality?

ASIMOV: Well, I can't answer that very easily. Perhaps I do, you know. But I can't think of anything else to trust in. If you can't go by reason, what can you go by? One answer is faith. But faith in what? I notice there's no general agreement in the world. These matters of faith, they are not compelling. I have my faith, you have your faith, and there's no way in which I can translate my faith to you or vice versa. At least, as far as reason is concerned, there's a system of transfer, a system of rational argument following the laws of logic that a great many people agree on, so that in reason, there are what we call compelling arguments. If I locate certain kinds of evidence, even people who disagreed with me to begin with, find themselves compelled by the evidence to agree. But whenever we go beyond reason into faith, there's no such thing as compelling evidence. Even if you have a revelation, how can you transfer that revelation to others? By what system?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 5 2016 1:23 utc | 106

Remember Gordon Gekko's "Greed is good." ?

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Psychopathic traits can lead to success. A new book by SAS hero [!!!] Andy McNab and psychopath expert Kevin Dutton explores the idea of the Good Psychopath.

Another piece of the puzzle including "gender studies" (rooted in the cult of hermaphrodite Baphomet), peadophilia, incest (prof. Hartmann in Poland), children blood drinking always somehow eerily connected to judeo-masonic circles...

Young blood transfusions may be source of eternal youth

Two separate teams of scientists have announced that blood transfusions from young individuals make older individuals younger, fixing their hearts and curing aging brains. Speaking to the New York Times, Harvard Medical School's professor of neurology Rudolph Tanzi, "these findings could be a game changer."

BTW what do you make of the Pizza Gate?

Posted by: ProPeace | Dec 5 2016 1:30 utc | 107

@ Lozion | Dec 4, 2016 7:39:47

"Pizzagate": How 4Chan Uncovered the Sick World of Washington's Occult Elite - The Vigilant Citizen

@all - any thoughts on this: The Economist Cover for 2017

Posted by: ProPeace | Dec 5 2016 1:48 utc | 108

@106 Cheers to you debs. Am having a quality Angus IPA myself..

Posted by: Lozion | Dec 5 2016 2:08 utc | 109

Recently somebody here touched upon Antarctica, which saw a lot of traffic this year.

I found this very interesting: Debs is dead | Jan 18, 2006 4:32:42 PM | 56

There's something nasty goin on in Antarctica judging by this morning's story in my local fishwrap:

" Details of a private meeting between the Prime Minister and one of the United States' top military chiefs are being kept under wraps.
Admiral William Fallon, head of the US Pacific Command, is due to meet Helen Clark and Defence Minister Phil Goff among a series of meetings in New Zealand this week after visiting Antarctica.
A spokeswoman for the Prime Minister said Helen Clark would have a "private meeting" with Admiral Fallon.
She would not say what day the meeting would be or what would be discussed."....
...."Admiral Fallon, who reports directly to US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, and his travelling party were also due to meet senior New Zealand Defence Force staff for "courtesy meetings".
Among his entourage is General Paul Hester, head of the air forces in the US Pacific Command region. "....
...."His visit comes only a week after influential Republican Senator John McCain led a delegation of US politicians to Antarctica and New Zealand.
US Pacific Command spokesman Captain Jeff Alderson said Admiral Fallon was making his first visit to New Zealand and Antarctica."....

Shortly after World War 2 US forces moved in to establish what is now McMurdo, by coming in through the NZ base (Scott base).

Mc Murdo appears to have swallowed up a large (the majority in fact) chunk of the allocation of Antarctica awarded NZ under the original Antactic alliance which I believe was ratified through the old League of Nations in the 1920's.

It's hard to know what happened exactly because many of the protocols and agreements which were negotiated starting off some time during WW2 are still secret.
I don't know and it doesn't matter too much as long as the principles of the Antarctic Treaty are adhered to. This is how the Brits glowingly describe the treaty:

"There are few places on Earth where there has been never been war, where the environment is fully protected, and where scientific research has priority. But the whole of the Antarctic continent is like this. A land which the Antarctic Treaty parties call a natural reserve, devoted to peace and science."

However we are talking about perfidious Albion here so a cynic could say that whatever they say will not be what they are doing.

We should also ask ourselves exactly what interest any Northern hemisphere nation should have in the south pole and the land which surrounds it.


Or - as seems more likely - it may have something to do with the strange goings-on in Antarctica over the past few years, or possibly both. Just by way of a brief review of those goings-on, a few years ago there began to be rumors being shared that the Russians had found or discovered something in the large under-ice lake, Lake Vostok, on that continent. Whatever was going on, the Russians weren't talking, but there seemed to have been by some accounts a minor flurry of activities there as they were flying planes in and out of the polar continent. Then, of course, we've seen the strange stories of sudden illnesses over the years, and of emergency flights having to go down and fetch people and fly them back to civilization for treatment of whatever mysterious illnesses they were suffering. But we never hear any follow up to these, on exactly what these people might have contracted. Then there was, of course,the Nazi expedition to that continent in 1938-39, under the auspices of Nazi Party Reichsleiter Rudolf Hess and Reichsmarschall Herman Goering. The expedition stayed several months, made surveys of Queen Maud Land or, as the Nazis called it, Neuschwabenland (New Swabia), and the expedition returned to Germany by a curious zig-zag route through the southern Atlantic. Medallions were struck, and then everyone pretty much forgot about it, and the Nazis weren't saying very much either.

After the war, of course, was Admiral Richard Byrd's Operation High Jump expedition, outfitted for several months' stay, a battalion of specially trained Marines, some destroyers and destroyer escorts, and a small light aircraft carrier. After a few weeks, the expedition departed in a rather hurried fashion, and Admiral Byrd gave an interview - now well-known in various histories - to the El Mercurio of Santiago de Chile, in which he allegedly stated that the USA would have to prepare itself to defend against "enemy fighters" which could fly from pole to pole with tremendous speed. This in turn fueled all sorts of "Nazi UFO-flying saucer" speculations which still get a lot of traction in certain circles, though this author disagrees with it strongly, for reasons I've articulated in several interviews and in some of my books. In any case, however, it is an indicator of more high strangeness in Antarctica. And rounding out all this high strangeness, reports and stories have run in various magazines such as Nexus of post-war British and America covert operations on the southern continent, shooting it out with Antarctic SS troops in caverns deep beneath the ice. More recently, pictures have occasionally surfaced on various internet sites of alleged giant pyramids beneath the ice, and so on.

As if it couldn't possibly get any stranger, even more recently the Patriarch of Moscow, Kirill III, visited the polar continent a few months ago, had his picture taken with some penguins, shortly after his historic meeting in Havana with Pope Francis I, where the two hierarchs signed a joint declaration calling for an end to the genocide of Christians in the Middle East. Ostensibly, Kirill III's visit to the continent was to bless a Russian Orthodox Church on the continent, serving the Russian contingent there. That was a story that may have had some traction for the moment, but now there's been another high-level visitor to that continent, and that was none other than the US Secretary of State, John "Ketchup" Kerry, whose visit moreover occurred during what surely must rank as one of the most hard fought and important elections in US history. This raises the question, why such a visit now? Perhaps they were planning to fund another chapter of Isis or Al Qaeda, but I doubt it.

.... And don’t forget the Falkland war, which some believe was connected to all of the above!...

Posted by: ProPeace | Dec 5 2016 2:13 utc | 110

james | Dec 4, 2016 5:09:59 PM | 94

“ is janes something like sohr, that 'one man' publishing house out of britian?”

James, if you don’t know what/who Janes is, you’re waaay out of your element. Janes has been the ultimate authority on military gear from around the world since the 19th century. If this is news to you, you need to find a good soccer blog or knitting blog to hang out on, dude.


Petri Krohn | Dec 4, 2016 6:25:08 PM | 100

“The Admiral Kuznetsov has a secondary mission of 1) testing and proving its airplanes and their new weapons systems in combat, and 2) giving its pilots combat experience, something that is extremely rare in the Russian Navy.”

OK, I’ll bite, how does this lard-bucket carry out any mission if it throws a MiG or Su into the drink every other week? Wanna’ give us a good guess of the cost of that new, specially designed MiG-29 that ditched on Nov14 while waiting for the deck crew to fix the arrestor cable? Kuznestov has had more arrestor cable incidents in the last month than the USN has had in two years of operating 10 full-size carriers. It’s laughable, Petri, to be pretending like this dumpster is any threat to the US 6th fleet. The only thing it is good for is being a practice target for the USN.

We get a lot of blather on this blog about the deadly Ru missiles and other play things, and they obviously have their toys. But the Ru defense budget is 1/10 the US defense budget, and nobody here ever mentions US capabilities. What does Ru have, for instance, to stop the new US Long-Range Anti-Ship Missile that would take out the Kuznestov? Just one example of hundreds. Ya’ have to be a sucker to believe Putin’s bullshit.

Please don’t take my word for it; I’m just reading the military bloggers who laugh at the Kutznetsov disaster. For instance, by having only one carrier, Ru has practically no pilots trained to land planes on the thing. That has been a long-standing observation. Here’s the National Post, for instance, re: this floating garbage bin:

Critics have derided the Kutznetsov – with its myriad mechanical problems and propensity to belch black smoke – for being nothing more than a propaganda tool for the Kremlin. Others point to the Soviet-era ship and its small detachment of trained pilots and aircraft as a modest attempt to field a maritime task force capable – at least on some levels – of mimicking its U.S. supercarrier counterparts.

My guess is that you are wildly over-estimating the threat of the Ru navy to the US. And I don’t see you presenting any evidence backing up your assertions that Ru navy changed Obama’s mind in Aug|2013. More likely Obama realized he was being played for the town idiot by Netanyahu and the iJews in Congress and so he put the ball in Congress’ court as to the decision to go to war, and it was Congress, not Obama, who decided not to play with matches.

As far as you saying that the Ru navy is keeping the US navy out of the Mediterranean . . . horse-shit, dude. Here’s RT itself on the USN’s amphibious group just completing a Suez transit and entering the Med with 4000 Marines. At about the same time Ru’s heavy-hitter destroyer Kulakov has packed up and left the Med. Just watch – Kutznetsov will be right behind it. Won't last a year.

Posted by: Denis | Dec 5 2016 2:15 utc | 111

@110 propeace, see here for my thoughts:

Am just looking at the Economists cover.. more to follow..

Posted by: Lozion | Dec 5 2016 2:15 utc | 112

@Lozion | Dec 4, 2016 9:15:48 Interesting website and discussions, thanks!

I recommend reading AangIrfan, except he went astray regarding Trump.

Posted by: ProPeace | Dec 5 2016 2:27 utc | 113

This link is for all out there that believed Trump was less apt to start WWIII than war criminal Clinton II

The link:

The quotes:
" reported that Trump wrote, “Did China ask us if it was OK to devalue their currency (making it hard for our companies to compete), heavily tax our products going into their country (the U.S. doesn’t tax them) or to build a massive military complex in the middle of the South China Sea? I don’t think so!”
It is a tricky time for the Republican president-elect to be antagonizing China. This week he had a phone conversation with Taiwan’s President Tsai Ing-wen, violating years of U.S. diplomatic protocol, which has chosen not to antagonize China by conducting positive relation with the province.

Trump’s camp now says that Pres. Tsai called to congratulate him on his win in the U.S. Electoral College and that nothing of diplomatic or commercial significance was discussed.

The Guardian reported that Trump’s call was preceded by an inquiry by his corporation about the possibility of building a new hotel in Aerotropolis — a sprawling commercial complex adjacent to Taiwan’s Taoyuan International Airport.

So instead of war with Russia we are headed to war with China.....nice/not

I have commented before that I believe both Russia and China have made it clear to the US warmongers that if they see shit coming over the horizon they will not wait to see where it is headed but will launch immediately.

Any adults in the "room"? I mean ones that love their children more than the God of Mammon.


Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 5 2016 2:34 utc | 114

Ok, last comment on this topic:

1) Q: What do the JFK Assassination, Antarctic Bases, Aliens, the Majestic 12, Human Sacrifice, the Rothschilds, Hollywood, Demons, Globalism, the Clintons, Transhumanism, Pedophilia, and the Federal Reserve All Have in Common?

2) Isn't it weird? The Fletcher Prouty Commentary - July 20th

In November 1963 [JFK murdered on 22nd], when I was Chief of Special Operations with the Joint Staff in the Pentagon. I was sent to Antarctica with a large group of VIPs industrialists, newsmen, and others. We went there to witness a most important event. A small nuclear plant was going to be activated at the Navy Base of the shore of McMurdo Sound, Antarctica; and from that moment on all water, all heat, and all electricity for that huge scientific establishment was going to provided by that tiny, inconspicuous nuclear plant.

The marvel of it was that we saw this unit activated. We saw the electricity come on, we felt the heat and in short time we bathed in and drank pure water from the ocean that had been desalinated by this plant. Meanwhile, on the foothills above the base a field of oil tanks were shut off; and for 10 years that base did not draw on those tanks for another barrel of petroleum.

Ten years, that was from 1963 to 1973. We all recall that 1973 was the year of the "Gas Lines" the "Oil Shortage", the "Energy Crisis", and all of the dire predictions that were certain to befall this great consumer nation as soon as that "last barrel" of petroleum had been pumped from the sand domes. So: In 1973 someone was sent to McMurdo Sound to that scientific base and he shut off that wonderful little nuclear plant and took it away. The oil barons were afraid that the penguins might talk.

Posted by: ProPeace | Dec 5 2016 2:37 utc | 115

@92 Jackrabbit

The Saker didn't rebut Engdahl--- AAAAND? Why didn't you add the rest of my sentence? - because you're dishonest, that's why!

Here's my exact statement:

The Saker didn't rebut Engdahl; he demonstrates a great deal of intelligent skepticism about Trump; UNLIKE you who is drunk on Kool-Aid.

He did. Politely (as I said). People can read Saker's view and decide for themselves.

Here’s a direct quote from the Saker's comments:

This being said, please don’t conclude that I am any more optimistic than Engdahl. I am not. It’s just that my fear is different from his. He thinks that Trump is a fraud while I think that the Trump is unlikely to have the right combination of intelligence, willpower, courage, abnegation and patriotism to purge the USA from the Neocon rot. Simply put – I don’t think that Trump will be the “American Putin”. Furthermore, I think that the choice of Pence as VP is indicative a deeply misguided hope by Trump that he can appease the Neocons.

But I think that Engdahl is asking the right questions and sounding the right warnings. While it is legitimate to hope for a miracle, one must never forget miracles happen very rarely and that it is far more likely that they will not happen.

He didn’t rebut; because he IS skeptical; like Engdahl. The excerpt I copied here sure sounds like effing skepticism to me!! And he wouldn't say Engdahl is sounding the right warnings, if he weren't skeptical too, okay?! So it's not really a rebuttal; it almost even sounds like he's playing devil's advocate.

Okay, so my point is that you cut off my sentence to blatantly lie again and discredit me with BS. Normally I would end it here as I shouldn’t give your dishonesty the time of day. So then I continued:

BOTH parties are Zionism's prostitutes...and you replied...

Trump ran against the Republican establishment. Zionists don't especially like nationalism (unless it is Israeli nationalism.)

He ran against the campaign, because he's all show! Now his cabinet is stacked with establishment types and don’t you dare make me list them! And Zionists don’t like Nationalists? You could have fooled me since Zionists of America are Trump and Bannon’s new besties and invited Bannon to their gala…then again, you’re being totally dishonest. So you cut and paste part of my next comment

Syria's over for the PNAC handlers since Putin scuttled that strategy ... rattling sabres.

Attacking either Syria or Iran means WWIII. Rattling sabres is not war. Countries that LOSE wars feel obliged to rattle sabres so as to not appear weak.

I wrote Syria’s O-V-E-R, can’t you read? Everyone that Trump chose has made provocative statements on Iran, do you not get a consistent pattern when you see one?

Hillary and the Neocons want to double-down in Syria.

Bullcrap! First don’t bring up Hillary she’s no longer relevant; I told you I don’t give a rat’s ass what she thinks. Second, Neocons are over Syria; they’re moving on to Iran; their obsession has always been Iran, and Syria was only a means to weaken Iran’s influence before taking on Iran, Damascus was to be the road to Iran’s decline, but now that Putin frustrated the Syria option; their target is solely Iran; Syria is in chaos and that’s good enough for them although they wanted more; but they know it’s time to move on to Iran because Putin made it impossible for them to do much more in Syria.

Trump wants to end the Syrian Conflict and he rattles sabres against Iran to placate the butt-hurt neocons/MIC/allies.

His actions will be much more provocative than mere sabre-rattling mongering; but time will prove me right. And the MIC can't be more pleased that Trump will inject hundreds of billions and probably a trillion into boosting defense!

Obama's Agreement with Iran was never meant to be lasting. So Trump is not particularly onerous wrt Iran. And, as everyone knows, there is ALWAYS an enemy.

Huh? Whut?? That’s an argument? At least make some logical sense. Then you quoted me again:

Adelson invested 25 million on Trump one week before the election!

and you replied with yet another cockamamie response and link to fixed news:

Adelson's reluctant backing of Trump
[As of Oct 19th] Adelson has only contributed $10 million to the Trump campaign, and continues to focus his efforts on aiding GOP candidates in Senate and House of Representatives races... Adelson has told people he disagreed with Trump’s erratic campaign style and frequent attacks on GOP establishment figures ... Trump has raised just $200 million, compared to more than $500 million raised by the Clinton campaign.

Oh paw-leese; you’re so dishonest; don’t give me an old article from fixed news! You think Adelson dished out 25 million because he was lukewarm and didn’t get assurances at some point just before the election? Besides, if it’s not too much of a challenge for you to remember things as they were; Trump started sticking to script rigorously in the last two weeks before the election to please his handlers. Be honest for crying out loud!

Everyone knows that Israel always plays both sides.

Doesn't mean that they're happy with the outcome. The clear favorite was Hillary. (And still is - as proven by Jill Stein's recount.)

Agaaaaaain with the Hillbat!

Israel's not happy...only in your own mind! Netanyahu was probably peeing himself with joy. Meanwhile Trump’s got more Neocons around him than I can count.

Interesting that you are repeating the same BS at the Saker site that you've already been castigated for here. That the Israeli leader is the first or one of the first Heads of State that a President-Elect speaks to is meaningless.

Oh, because I shouldn’t be consistent in my opinions, wherever I choose to comment. Because, according to you; I should say one thing here and the opposite there…think again.

Castigated? LOL! What is this…kindergarten and you’re the lunchroom supervisor? Where was I castigated? You’ve really grasped at the absurd now; desperation anyone?

Trump's support for Israel isn't much different than prior American Administrations

Oh so then he isn't much different? ....your words. PERIOD.

I will wait and see what he does. For example, after he was elected, Trump backed away from several positions:

Duuu-uh, because he’s a LIAR and a con! as in Neo – con. So of course he’s walked back several positions, and since then, he’s surrounded himself with Neocon swamp life. Now run along.

Posted by: Circe | Dec 5 2016 3:34 utc | 116

GP showed their true face for whom they've been shilling. Congratulations to jfl! Stein is of course Jewish...

Green Party switches strategy in Pennsylvania recount | Fox News

...Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein, raised over $6.9 million to fund recount efforts in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania.Stein framed the issue as an effort to explore whether voting machines and systems had been hacked and the election result manipulated.

Stein announced Sunday morning that she plans to hold a rally on Monday morning outside of Trump Tower in New York.

Despite Stein's lawyers having offered no evidence of hacking in Pennsylvania's election...

The decision came two days before a state court hearing was scheduled in the case. Saturday's court filing to withdraw the case said the Green Party-backed voters who filed it "are regular citizens of ordinary means" and cannot afford the $1 million bond ordered by the court by 5 p.m. Monday. Green Party-backed efforts to force recounts and analyze election software in scattered precincts were continuing.

Trump’s lawyers and the state Republican Party claimed there was no evidence or allegations that tampering occurred with Pennsylvania's voting systems. Pennsylvania law does not allow a court-ordered recount, they argued, and a lawyer for the Green Party had acknowledged that the effort was without precedent in Pennsylvania.

Republican lawyers also argued that the case has threatened the state’s ability to certify its presidential electors by the December 13 federal deadline.

On Saturday, a GOP lawyer, Lawrence Tabas, said the case had been meant "solely for purposes to delay the Electoral College vote in Pennsylvania for President-Elect Trump."

Posted by: ProPeace | Dec 5 2016 3:59 utc | 117

Is there an ignore list function at MoA?

Posted by: Lozion | Dec 5 2016 4:26 utc | 118

I can't remember if I posted about this here the other day or not.
There is a TV show at the moment about the last sleazy politician left standing following an extremely well planned operation which blew away the prez, veep, speaker, all the cabinet, congress and senate. One pol was left because the secret service tucks a junior pol up every time all the rest have to be in the same place at the same time. anyway it occurs to me that may be what amerika is using Antarctica for.
John Kerry spent the whole of the final days of prez 2016 down there - why?

Overseeing science projects doesn't seem like a natural fit for Secretary of State; if you bother to take note of who is flying in and out of Christchurch Airport (South Island of Aotearoa) you will discover a who's who of senior amerikan officials and their sponsors, about 99% of whom spend their lives devising ways to destroy fragile eco-systems, and amerika's excuse for stealing a big slice of Antarctica off the kiwis has always been that they are doing it to understand the environment so it can be better protected - no kidding - pull the other one Oblamblam, it's got bells on it.

There is nothing those mendacious shitbags wouldn't do if it meant a better bottom line next quarter so the very mention of altruism makes one imagine that whatever is up at Scott Base, it must be something truly awful, and lets face it running amerika from the length of the planet away from where the citizens are getting irradiated or whatever is pretty fuckin awful.
And that is the best option - if you live in the Southern Hemisphere; all the others - nuclear experiments, alien autopsies, designing a supervirus are really off-putting for people working hard to not create or get caught up in the unceasing Northern conflicts.
What right do amerikans or any of the other Northern Hemisphere scumbags have to be going south to fuck that up too - isn't it bad enough you've rooted your own part of the planet now you want to go South and fuck with that as well.

overseiing science projects doesn't appear to be a natural fit foe secretary of state and if you bother to observe who comes and goes thru christchurch airport

Posted by: Debsisdead | Dec 5 2016 4:31 utc | 119

Oops once again my shitty subbing skills combine with the lack of an edit function at MoA to make a mess.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Dec 5 2016 4:35 utc | 120

Circe @118

... but now that Putin frustrated the Syria option; their target is solely Iran
It has previously been pointed out (and not just by me) that Iran would almost certainly have the support of Russia and China in any future conflict. Thus, it makes no sense to me (nor others) that "the plan(tm)" is to defer WWIII by a bit so as to strike Iran directly.

I also have to wonder how Trump will fight a war with Iran when he has repeatedly voiced his 'America First' priorities, criticized the high cost of the Iraq War (while pointing out that USA is dead broke), and told Americans that he doesn't want to engage in regime change.

What American will fight a major war half a world away for a President that proves to be a lying scumbag?

And, as I have said many times before: Your certainty on Trump's impeding vile betrayal!!! and your oh-so-pressing need to spread the word strikes me as very suspicious in the run-up to the Electoral College vote. I doubt that you are so tone-deaf or so ignorant as to be unaware that Hillary/Democrats/neocons are trying to wrangle the Presidency away from Trump.

I will wait and see. Partly because I see the corrupt Democrats and their feckless, in-the-tank media as the real problem and I am not inclined to lift a finger to help them.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Dec 5 2016 4:45 utc | 121

@ Debsisdead who wrote"
There is nothing those mendacious shitbags wouldn't do if it meant a better bottom line next quarter so the very mention of altruism makes one imagine that whatever is up at Scott Base, it must be something truly awful, and lets face it running amerika from the length of the planet away from where the citizens are getting irradiated or whatever is pretty fuckin awful.

I appreciate you calling a spade a spade, thanks. It is going to be interesting how our species handles the next few months/years if we last that long.

Maybe there is a slew of Aliens down there that are holding intergalactic court.....grin....been off my hopium too long already.

Whatever it is, I expect us pond scum can't handle the truth....isn't that what they say?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 5 2016 4:46 utc | 122

@ myself at # 116 where I report on Trump stirring the pot with China

The new link adding background to the Taiwan call

The quotes:
The Washington Post spoke with sources within the Taiwanese government and the Trump transition team who confirmed that the call was actually planned months in advance after extensive negotiations on each side.

The Post‘s Anne Gearan, Philip Rucker and Simon Denyer said that Trump allies characterized the call as “an intentionally provocative move” designed to demonstrate the president-elect’s willingness to dispense with old diplomatic enmities and alliances.
“He took the call, accepted her congratulations and good wishes and it was precisely that,” said Vice President-elect Mike Pence on Sunday on ABC.

However, Trump advisor Stephen Yates — a former national security official under Pres. George W. Bush — said that establishing contact with Taiwan has been high on the transition team’s list of priorities.

“Very early on, Taiwan was on that list,” Yates told the Post. “Once the call was scheduled, I was told that there was a briefing for President-elect Trump. They knew that there would be reaction and potential blowback.”

Tsai spokesman Alex Huang told Reuters, “Of course both sides agreed ahead of time before making contact.”

Trump’s mouthpieces and defenders say that all head-of-state calls with the president-elect have been well-planned and cleared through the proper diplomatic channels, but on Sunday, Secretary of State John Kerry said that Trump made no efforts to contact the State Department before the calls.

How fast will China dump its Treasuries? Will Trump default on US debt? Stay tuned.......

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 5 2016 6:28 utc | 124

@ 113 denis.. that was a cheap shot at what seems like mostly a propaganda outlet to me (janes)_.. if you believe that shit - fine... don't try to force it down the moa folks, as they are gonna call bullshite just like petri indeed has! i thought i was being gentle with you, but since you seem like a prick, i have no problem thrown the shit back at ya.. now tell me you are some pompous brit with relatives relying on the sale of reports from janes, and i will understand a bit better..

great that you linked to the neo con paper from canada - national post.. if i want to read a lot of bullshite, i will pick that up and use if for firestarter and a laugh... you take it seriously? LOL!

Posted by: james | Dec 5 2016 6:46 utc | 125

and in fwiw dept regarding janes : "Jane's Information group was acquired by IHS Inc.[2] in June 2007"

about ihs : "IHS is a global information company with world-class experts in the pivotal areas ..." LOL! invest, invest, invest in ticker symbol INFO on the nasduck, lol..

IHS Markit Ltd. (INFO, Information Handling Services) is a company based in London, United Kingdom.
"IHS provides information and analysis to support the decision-making process of businesses and governments in industries such as aerospace, defense and security; automotive; chemical; energy; maritime and trade; and technology.

The previously announced deal to merge IHS and Markit closed on July 13, 2016."

Posted by: james | Dec 5 2016 6:58 utc | 126


I will wait and see. Partly because I see the corrupt Democrats and their feckless, in-the-tank media as the real problem and I am not inclined to lift a finger to help them.

Okay, if your worry is that the Republican candidate's win might be overturned; the chances of that are nil.

I, on the other hand, could care less about either side and whatever shenanigans the Democrats might be up to.

The only issue that interests me is that I don't trust Trump, never have from day one, although I urged everyone to vote anyone but Hillary. The only reason I wanted Trump to win when no third party stood a chance is because Trump will usher in a dark chapter in American history that will finally accelerate real change. This would never have happened with Hillary. She represented the slow burn; while Trump represents the furnace that must be passed through to achieve greater humanity.

And because I see the direction he's headed in I intend to expose him for the Zionist Neocon fraud that he is.

Once Hillary was out of the way, and from the moment Trump was elected I have not wasted a moment because I know just how dangerous he is and I'm not fooled and have never been fooled by his play to the crowd.

I'm against all provocation of China and Iran that will seriously affect the entire world. Containment of China through the destruction of Iran is the culmination of PNAC. Zionist Neocons have been trying to figure out how to contain China for decades and Zionists are obsessed with destroying Iran and meshed a strategy to get to China through Iran. If they succeed in duping Putin into getting out of their way; then Putin is weaker than I imagined and will also be responsible for the disaster the crazy Zionist Neocon cabal unleashes next.

I believe that balance of power is a good thing and am virulently opposed to the Zionist hegemon that Trump is allying himself with that abuses the American system and is responsible for so much death, suffering and destruction already.

So I ask that you quit considering me the enemy here; I care squat about whatever intrigue the Democrats are up to, and your paranoia that Trump might not make it is totally unfounded, as he will regrettably be president. Hillary is history; get that through your head.

Trump is the master of his destiny now and he's already charting the course of destruction, therefore,I'm not going to pull any punches in my criticism. The only hope I have is that what he will unleash will finally cause Americans to revolt against the Zionist cabal siphoning their treasure.

I will continue to tear him down despite your unwarranted concern for the outcome of the Electoral College. I'm convinced beyond any doubt that Trump is dangerous and his budding bromance with that lunatic In Israel is a grave threat as the fate of millions is at stake and if you don't see that then quit wasting my time and just ignore what I write and scroll on.

Posted by: Circe | Dec 5 2016 7:00 utc | 127

Re: Posted by: Denis | Dec 4, 2016 9:15:30 PM | 113

You're forgetting the other main purpose of the Kuznetsov - it's is a (barely) sailing casus belli - live bait.

If it were perchance to be sunk, Russia would have just cause if it so chose to go after military assets of whoever sunk it, or their allies, anywhere in the world.

Now, they might choose not to, but that would be a fairly significant option.

Posted by: Julian | Dec 5 2016 8:00 utc | 128

@psychohistorian #124
I just don't know whether most of us actually want to know or whether we would be happier in the belief that "everyone is basically trying to do the right thing".
Every time a I convince myself of that something truly awful happens such as the invasion of Iraq which was not only awful in the way that blatant lies were told to kick the damned thing off, or even that 1,000,000 plus and counting human lifes were ended, or that the entire ME has become a huge slaughterhouse, it's that 50 years of moving societies around this rock to the default position of all wars are bad and only evil people start them just disappeared into nothing- seemingly overnight.
So here we are in a world where the people who hold the power are capable of any act no matter how wrong it is as long as it advantages them personally.

That is a world where doing deals with alien colonists to sell the rest of us out is imaginable, and the only reason to conclude that isn't happening down at McMurdo Station is that too many humans would have to be in the secret making it not a secret very quickly.

Maybe all these US power brokers just really want to check out the penguins - except of course for minor details such as when Kerry was down there a few weeks ago it may not have been winter any more but it was still pretty cold and dark - a 'master of the universe' such as Kerry would surely pick a better time of year.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Dec 5 2016 8:13 utc | 129

Three hundred and ninety opponents of the US Constitution, who sit in the US House of Representatives, just passed a bill that voids the First Amendment to the US Constitution.

We're all talking about this. What we need is a Bill of Impeachment. Now THAT'S an issue worth demonstrating for. Bet we could get a lot of citizen participation, too.

Posted by: Penelope | Dec 5 2016 9:00 utc | 130

May be financial chaos Monday cuz of the Italian vote, Renzi's resignation, and Italian bank failures imminent they say w at least one to be nationalized. Meanwhile bedlam chaos in India due to withdrawal of currency problem.

I don't know if there's still any possibility of Russia's still going thru w the Stolypin club's economic reforms, which wd constitute a break w neoliberal economics. Includes Russia's issuing much-needed currency w/o linking it to the dollar & breaking w Nabuilina's monetarist policies (Fed/IMF policy). Last I heard the Stolypin Report was being shredded in Sept, but seems to me there was a mention of reconsideration or something in December (now). Anyone know anything about this?

Posted by: Penelope | Dec 5 2016 9:12 utc | 131

@ psychohistorian | 107

And then as I learned more about the Cosmos we live in I realized the hubris of a species that creates Gods in their likeness.

Its the other way around, God created us in His likeness.

As for my religious denomination, I'm aspiring vaishnava (based on Indian Vedic scriptures, with scientific and logical approach to both matter and spirit, the most logical and extensive Worldview and philosophy I've ever seen, it blew away my atheism).

1. Science, which I believe much of, has learned that the Cosmos consists of almost 5% matter, which we are starting to know some things about but still clueless in many ways.

Thats the point, even of those 5% of known matter in the Universe, current atheistic science knows like 0,000000001%, what to speak of entire knowledgebase of the Cosmos. And yet they have hubris to claim there is no God (or some ultimate intelligence behind the Universe). Thats a faith system, atheism is in a sense also a religion, since its based on believing. More objective scientists and agnostics say that they dont know if there is or isnt God.

There are two ways of getting knowledge: upstream (we try to figure out by ourselves) or downstream (we receive knowledge from God, like Vedic scriptures) process.

2. The remaining 95% of the Cosmos the science folk have some theories about but mostly we are very clueless about that 95%

As you rightly pointed out, current science knows next to nothing about entire Cosmos, and the little we know, changes over time. I.e. one day the Universe is explained one way, the next day scientists find out there is Dark matter and energy, and that they have no clue whats going on in the rest of 95% of the Cosmos :)

The knowledge we get from God is perfect. Vedic Worldview is complete, logical and I was amazed how much the World makes sense now.

3. Does it make any sense that our species that is part of the 5% matter of the Cosmos can discover/create/believe in any deity given our utter ignorance at this point in our existence?

You are right from the point of view if we try to figure out everything on our own. It might take millions of years (if humanity still exist at the point), and maybe even then we might get an inconclusive answer.

However for argument sake lets say that there is God, wouldnt it make sense that He gives us knowledge? In this way you can know right now.

4. I think it takes the utmost hubris to do so and view religions as crutches for those that can't handle not knowing.

Its natural for us to want to know, isnt? And blind faith is not sufficient regardless if you are an atheist or believe in some other religion. Faith is fine if its based on knowledge and understanding, thats why I chose Vedas (translated it means knowledge). I'll address the main Asimov points in the next post.

Posted by: Harry | Dec 5 2016 9:20 utc | 132

"Its the other way around, God created us in His likeness."

Bull Shit! Period.

Please take your religion elsewhere....
Anyone, I mean anyone who knock at my doors to sell me god regardless, men or women, I stick my middle finger at them and tell them off or I'll call the cop!

Posted by: Jack Smith | Dec 5 2016 9:57 utc | 133

@ Lozion | Dec 4, 2016 11:26:29 PM | 120

"Is there an ignore list function at MoA?"

Should you find that button, please advise. Would pay a gratuity gladly. As is, an ignore function does develop naturally although gradually through exposure to some folk's insistence on their BS beliefs and ideas they have found elsewhere declaimed on the internet, usually in video form for ready consumption. Somewhat interestingly to observe, these elide-able ones all seem to operate on a zero-sum hypothesis, they having all the answers leave no answers for anyone else. A strange world they make for themselves (and everyone else).

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Dec 5 2016 10:18 utc | 134

ASIMOV: My objection to fundamentalism is not that they are fundamentalists but that essentially they want me to be a fundamentalist, too.

Thats correct, we have a free will and we should be able choose one way or another. However it works both ways - current education system (at least in the West, I assume in China also) is exclusively atheistic. For example, in US some teachers wanted to present an alternative explanation to evolution theory, they were forbidden to do that and were fired. Same with scientists, if they find something which contradicts some established theories (even if its triple checked by the most advanced scientific methods), they might get fired, get character assassination, denied of publishing in respected journals, etc.

Thats also fundamentalism, but in this case of atheistic variety.

Now, they may say that I believe evolution is true and I want everyone to believe that evolution is true. But I don't want everyone to believe that evolution is true, I want them to study what we say about evolution and to decide for themselves.

That good, I would recommend to read "Forbidden Archeology: The Hidden History of the Human Race", and then you can decide. But how can you decide, if you only presented with ONE theory in schools and universities, and others are banned?

As everyone else I was taught of Darwin's evolution theory, and I believed it, because it was stated black on white in respected textbooks that its a proven fact (not just a theory). Only later I found out its a lie. Its a most popular and the most advertised theory today, but it was never proven, and there are a lot, a LOT of scientific evidence which directly contradicts it. Few years back thousands of scientists signed the petition they doubt Darwin's theory. Irony is, Darwin himself doubted his theory, and yet its taught in schools as a fact.

MOYERS: What frightens them is something that Dostoevski once said - if God is dead, everything is permitted.

ASIMOV: That assumes that human beings have no feeling about what is right and wrong. Is the only reason you are virtuous because virtue is your ticket to heaven? Is the only reason you don't beat your children to death because you don't want to go to hell? It's insulting to imply that only a system of rewards and punishments can keep you a decent human being. Isn't it conceivable a person wants to be a decent human being because that way he feels better?

Dostoevski was right. If we take God's word as a golden standard what is right or wrong, then its a universal high humane value system (whether its Bible in the West, or Vedas in the East). Now, if we go atheistic route, then every society can invent whatever standards they want. Lets say cannibalism is allowed in some societies, why not? Why follow God if you can invent your own value system.

Or if you want something closer to home, in the West millions of children are murdered every year, and its not only allowed, but often supported by the governments. So many examples of how lower and lower standards are introduced in some societies. Why? Since no longer God's taught values are accepted, therefore "if God is dead then everything is permitted." We can see how higher humane values are abandoned faster and faster, and humanity is spiraling down, fast.

Asimov: "Isn't it conceivable a person wants to be a decent human being because that way he feels better?".

Thats another problem, its good if one feels better and wants to be a decent human being. What if he wants to do (and feels better) if he engages in bestiality or necrophilia or w/e? If we dont accept higher God's standards then "everything goes" as Dostoevski said.

I think that when I die, there will be nothingness. That's what I firmly believe. That's not to mean that I have the impulse to go out and rob and steal and rape and everything else because I don't fear punishment.

An atheistic life in the very essence means its accidental and meaningless. One famous atheistic philosopher killed himself because in atheism life is meaningless. Whether you write books or rape, whether you live or die, its just different combination of chemicals. As soon as you ascribe value and meaning to life, you start moving away from atheism.

Posted by: Harry | Dec 5 2016 10:30 utc | 135

@ Harry please take your old wives tales & superstitions to somewhere that people want to hear that patent bullshit.
One common thread running all the way thru posts here over the years has been a rejection of any organised religion because such superstitions inevitably become a way for sociopathic assholes to create a hierachy of power with the believers at the bottom, forever manipulated by self serving assholes.
Hinduism which you appear to subscribe to has several millennia of wars, rapes and impoverishment attached to its ugly history. The Modi creep with his hindu fundamentalist party is right now destroying the lives of millions of so called 'untouchables' people who at least in theory had been rehabilitated during the decades of Congress rule their crime is to have been born, That's all it takes if you're a good Hindu see someone who has been born into poverty and kick them because they must have been terrible in previous lives - otherwise they wouldn't have been born into poverty.

So does Buddhism which has long been used by sociopaths to keep the 99% oppressed e.g. right now notorious witch and daughter of the general responsible for Burma's 20th century ethnic cleansing Ang Sung Su Kyi has cranked the Burmese Buddhists up to butcher children for the crime of following an alternative superstition Islam. As if children have any say in the particular brand of lie their family-> clan -> village -> nation subscribes too. I had imagined the hari krishna scammers had died out - apparently not - as Bhaktivedanta Prabhupada once noted, "the world is full of stupid westerners".

I'm sure no one will mind if you post on current global issues, but posting on your stupid superstitions will rightly get short shrift around here, a good 50% of the net is polluted by morons talking 'faith' while ignoring facts - why do you feel the need to drag that shit in here? As per usual your 'beliefs' have deceived you into imagining others want or worse 'need' to hear about em - piss off somewhere where stupid people who cannot grasp the rather rudimentary science of evolution gather. This isn't one of those places.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Dec 5 2016 11:53 utc | 136

@ 138 Harry

Take your shite for the braindead somewhere else.Your 'right' to believe is in conflict with my 'right' not to listen to shit.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Dec 5 2016 11:53 utc | 137

138;Who da nazis?Jeez,God haters are so tiresome,especially when they wish one to shut up,while they spew forever.
Anyone who quotes Wapo as a rational Trump reportage needs psychiatric help.
In fact any reportage.
The Taiwan pres called Trump,and if you clowns think Chinese displeasure equals US knuckling under,fuggetaboutit,especially under Trump.
Trumps claims of Chinese currency manipulation and trade policy have merit,and if America wants to regain its plowshare economy,we must revoke all the traitor trade steals by our feckless neolibcon scum.
Again,Trump owes zion absolutely nothing,and is now the alpha male in that relationship,eclipsing Yahoo,whose insults to Obomba were many and revealing of top dog status.
Good news re Dakota pipeline btw.Enough divide and conquer.

Posted by: dahoit | Dec 5 2016 14:27 utc | 138


No, no, and no.

No, I will not stop criticizing faulty analysis and disinformation:

> starting WWIII over Iran instead of Syria makes no sense;

> Trump talking first with Netanyahu means little;

> anti-Iranian bluster by military and intel analysts nominated by Trump are not the slam-dunk you think it is - no one in that community would get very far by being 'soft' on Iran;

> Trump's tough talk about Iran is just what one would expect after a failed military adventure (in Syria).

No, I will not ignore certain facts so as to emphasis others (the very essence of disinformation):
> your argument that we should ignore differences between Hillary/Democrats and Republicans/Trump doesn't make sense: Trump ran against the duopoly/neocon establishment - he represents a faction of the establishment that sees that, as Bannon says, America is getting F*cked;

> Hillary raised MUCH more money from dubious sources than Trump AND had most of the media on her side;

> the Electoral College shenanigans are not over;

> you ask that we ignore Trump's clear and consistent remarks regarding his 'America First' policy.

No, you haven't addressed the substance of the criticism that I and others have made (see above):
> your attacks on me and bargaining with me makes me even more suspicious.

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Personally, I think that Trump's FP will be more realist. And that is driving the neocons nuts.

Donald Trump Should Embrace a Realist Foreign Policy.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Dec 5 2016 14:42 utc | 139


Thank you for your mindful response! Your personal history resembles mine in one aspect - I had two years at a Catholic High School on first arriving in this country - I was the only non-Catholic there (rather traumatic for a teenager) and had never been around nuns before (it was a school within a very active convent.) Good and bad experiences there, but I have to say the good outweighed the bad. My home room teacher, a nun, recommended a small liberal arts college on the East coast, and I have never regretted going there. It was not a religious school. The Bible was just another text among many. And yes, Dostoievski's two novels, "Crime and Punishment" and "The Brothers Karamazov" were among those texts. Also all the main philosophical works. I can truly say I went through all of this education as an open book myself, not having had anything more formal than Sunday school in various Protestant settings, Bible stories (and I'm glad to have those memories too.)

You say: "As I thought more and educated myself further about history I wondered why religions were not fully relegated to honorable myth after the Enlightenment period. It was clear to me that they were pushing rules of social organization that were patriarchal and elitist....and still are. Their enforcement of the rules is beyond hypocritical now and I see many who ascribe to one or another but in name only. If Xtians leaders and their followers were true to their precepts we would not have war and the money changers would not exist.....hence my Devils pact theory."

I am puzzled. Who is it that would have fully relegated religions to honorable myth? Some government? A popular decision naturally arrived at? We saw more recently Communism in USSR that attempted this. But you know, people still kept icons and the grandmothers went to what churches remained, keeping the faith alive. It's my belief, though, that it is alive, the flame flickering maybe, in everyone's hearts. And that's the answer to your question, I think, for all faiths. When the attempt is made to suppress them, it only banks the fires in the heart.

Sure, human beings are and should be rational. You can't really live your life to the fullest otherwise. All praise to science, especially when it tells its advocates that something is going wrong with previous scientific theories - they can't just be followed like a faith because new knowledge comes along to supplant them.

I am not sure where Dostoievski says that if God is dead there is no morality (I'm paraphrasing.) It might have been a bit earlier than when he was writing TBK. Because there, although one character who doesn't believe in God, Smerdyakov, is almost totally immoral and another, Fyodor, is bestial, the main atheist Ivan is humanly noble. He's a marvellous person, with a conscience far superior to many of the devout Christians in the novel. So I think by that late stage the novelist sees there is more to morality than even belief in God provides.

You see,in the Christian faith there's only one leader. Ubi caritas et amore, Deus ibi est.

That is my faith, doesn't have to be anyone else's.

Posted by: juliania | Dec 5 2016 15:08 utc | 140

@ Juliania who asked about who relegates religions to myth status

The same folks that evolved to relegate what is now called Greek and Roman mythology and paganism to myth. Do you think that your faith should be imposed on others in a form of social organization or can we have government that is totally secular? That is the reason and logic of science are allowed but not faith to help ourselves govern? early America

@ Harry who seems to think I just don't have enough faith

You are right, I don't. I value reason and logic over faith and want to know which faith you think should govern our world, and why?

@ others who seem bothered that we are discussing such in this or any open thread at MoA

B can decide to censor me for sharing my thoughts about faith but I believe that the concept of faith or not as part of our global form of social organization needs to be made clear and not just have blind faith a pillar of how we are structured as a species.....again back to my question to Juliania, which faith is above all? None for me.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 5 2016 15:49 utc | 141


Posted by: NemesisCalling | Dec 5 2016 15:58 utc | 142

Hey b, I was unable to post last night from my home ip but am now able to post through my phone carrier's network. Is this due to my home's ip banning?

If yes, can you please let me know through email why you felt the need to do so?

If no and this is an honest mistake, please forgive this comment.

Ps. If yes, please refund me my paltry donation or at least 1/100 of your newly acquired laptop (you can send me the 'b' key :)). I can understand banning a harmful troll which disrupts the intake experience/flow of a messageboard, but I am failing to see my culpability here.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Dec 5 2016 16:08 utc | 143

I should also add (in case it is not already clear): If Trump does try some sort of misguided, military adventure, he would meet with a storm of protest from both the left and right. And I would be among those protesting.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Dec 5 2016 18:17 utc | 144

@142 Jackrabbit

First, let's get one thing straight; the small blockquote part of your comment is part of your own comments. I wouldn't want anyone to misinterpret and attribute so much rubbish to me.

Second, I'm done with you. You are not what you appear to be and I am 100% sincere and unlike you I have no hidden agendas that you continuously attribute to me to discredit me. I'm sick and tired of your paranoia in my regard.

I'M DONE WITH YOU; I will no longer respond directly to you; it is an endeavor in complete futility.

If you try to spin my words or respond dishonestly, or attack me as being hasbara I will find other means to deal with this, but I want nothing to do with you from this moment on.

Posted by: Circe | Dec 5 2016 18:49 utc | 145


Good news re Dakota pipeline btw.Enough divide and conquer.

Not so fast:

According to Trump’s 2016 federal disclosure forms, the billionaire businessman owned between $15,000 and $50,000 in stock from Texas-based Energy Transfer Partners, the owners of the controversial Dakota Access oil pipeline. A year earlier, his share was between $500,000 and $1 million.

The president-elect sold off his shares in Energy Transfer Partners, Trump campaign spokeswoman Hope Hicks said. If true, it is unclear why investments in the company are still listed in the disclosure.

However, Trump’s financial disclosures also show he has between $500,000 and $1 million invested in Phillips 66, another energy company headquartered in Texas with a 25 percent ownership share of the Dakota Access.

While Trump’s share in the $3.8 billion Dakota Access project is minuscule (about 0.02 percent), the president-elect’s close ties to the pipeline’s parent company and other beneficiaries of the project don’t stop there.

The Trump campaign also received hundreds of thousands of dollars from Energy Transfer Partners Chief Executive Officer Kelcy Warren. In June, Warren donated $3,000 to Trump’s presidential campaign – over the $2,700 limit for individual campaign contributions to a candidate. Warren also gave $100,000 to the Trump Victory Fund, a joint fundraising committee between Trump’s campaign and the Republican Party.

And it looks like Obama's kicking the can down the road to Trump....

The delay in construction means that a final decision on whether the project moves forward on its current path will likely be up to Trump once he’s in the Oval Office.

President Barack Obama has deferred on making a final decision on the project, instead suggesting to let the situation in North Dakota, "play out for several more weeks” while the Army Corps studies the situation.

So don't break out the champagne just yet. Trump might still do the 180.

Again,Trump owes zion absolutely nothing,and is now the alpha male in that relationship

Right. Lol! He only owes millions worth in favors to uber-Zionist Adelson; thats all!

Posted by: Circe | Dec 5 2016 19:26 utc | 146

Trump wants to privatize Tribal land. Maybe resistance will be met with imminent domain - something he's apparently done many times before. Hopefully the tribes can have a grand cash-out, since it will be only a matter of time before every single oil/gas patch in USA gets exploited

Posted by: aaaa | Dec 5 2016 20:08 utc | 147


Seriously? You fell for that? Construction season is over. They are just clearing out the riffraff, especially the Veterans: "With celebrations continuing at the site of the Dakota Access Pipeline protest (following the Obama administration's decision not to grant the construction permit), it appears the Trump administration has very different ideas. Having confirmed Trump's support for the pipeline (not to do with his investments), Reuters reports a Trump advisory group proposes the politically explosive idea of putting oil-rich Indian reservation lands into provate ownership." ZeroHedge

Posted by: chipnik | Dec 5 2016 21:09 utc | 148


Speaking of Dostoevsky, today the Congress passed the RU Anti-Propaganda Act: "As the "fake news" narrative grows, and The House quietly passes a bill to "counter Russian propoganda" websites, one alleged 'fake' news wesbite - as defined by the farcical PropOrNot organization - has struck back. Naked Capitalism's Yves Smith has threatened The Washington Post with a defamation suit and demanded a retraction." ZeroHedge

b will have to systematically purge MoAs Putin-lovers or else testify before Congress, lol.
"Sir, have you no shame!" Try that one, b. See how far that gets you with the New Zio-Right

1998-2000 Dot.Con destroyed USAryans 401k
2001-2003 OEF.Con destroyed USAryans Treasury
2008-2011 SCDO.Con destroyed USAryans Equity
2016-2019 Zio.Con will pound USArya into bone fragments

Their iron claw is revealed inside the velvet glove. Thought crimes are now illegal. Why hide it any longer, the Goldman Mob owns the Treasury, Commerce, OMB and Fed, they own the Legislature and Executive. Who cares about SCOTUS? The Trump DOJ won't file any actions, and will block every action. Expect NIRP, then confiscation of your property for protesting NIRP as a 'Russian agitator'. Ha,ha,ha. They gotcha by the balls! They're gonna privatize it all!

Posted by: chipnik | Dec 5 2016 21:19 utc | 149

The Mafia State

Trump and his coterie of half-wits, criminals, racists and deviants play the role of the Snopes clan in William Faulkner’s novels “The Hamlet,” “The Town” and “The Mansion.” The Snopeses rose up out of the power vacuum of the decayed South and ruthlessly seized control from the degenerated aristocratic elites. Flem Snopes and his extended family—which includes a killer, a pedophile, a bigamist, an arsonist, a mentally disabled man who copulates with a cow, and a relative who sells tickets to witness the bestiality—are fictional representations of the scum we have elevated to the highest level of the federal government. They embody the ethos of modern capitalism Faulkner warned us against.

I gotta admit I laughed out load when I read that one. First time in months. It's not a laughing matter, but the mismatch of reality and our present means of 'fixing' what's gone wrong is right on target.

There is no hope to be had from the present political class in the US/EU. We're juat going to have to do it ourselves.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 5 2016 21:51 utc | 150


There is no hope to be had from the present political class in the US/EU. We're juat going to have to do it ourselves.

Bingo! Someone gets it. What Standing Rock is proving is that people mobilizing for justice works!

Of course it's still unclear what the final outcome will be; but what I see is people willing to fight for as long as it takes regardless which of the two monopoly parties holds power.

Posted by: Circe | Dec 5 2016 23:08 utc | 151

Circe @148:

... let's get one thing straight; the small blockquote part of your comment is part of your own comments. I wouldn't want anyone to misinterpret and attribute so much rubbish to me.
YES! Lets get it straight. Those blockquote comments @142 are MY responses to specific "rubbish" that YOU have written.
You are not what you appear to be ... I'M DONE WITH YOU.
I'm everything that I appear to be. A left-leaning skeptic that believes that the corrupt, sell-out Democratic Party has been an obstacle to real progress. If it takes a nationalist to shock the left into soul searching and reform, then Trump is a net positive.

I am, at this time, more wary of those that seek to hype Trump hate as I am of Trump. They want the focus on Trump and NOT on reforms that would create an effective, independent (non-oligarch dependent) opposition.

Democratic Party failures should be a teachable moment. Those that seek to quickly turn the blood-soaked, shit-stained page are doing so for their own selfish reasons.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Dec 5 2016 23:38 utc | 152

@106 debsisdead
@111 Lozion
Yeah, bottoms up guys. The brutal reality found at blogs like this one can be liberating, but quite depressing at times so this is great reason for uncorking a bottle of plonk.
Another resounding F.U. vote...! Europe has a nasty flu, great to see Italy ridding itself of a symptom.
This was nothing more than ongoing scripted formula from private money. After unelected technocrat Monti, let's put a nice young marketable face out there to help us subvert the democratic process. Italians: "fark off"
Democratic functions ought to be a slow process, there is good reason for that, there should be plenty oversight in representative authority that make decisions affecting any given population large or small...arguments for and against legislature should be argued and won, not slipped through the back door one the eve of midnight Obama-style.
Though, I am certain the Italians simply enjoyed weren't thinking about the senate so much as going the spear to the status quo.
For those not aware of how well Europe has been infiltrated by the like of Goldman Sachs alone, I would like to refer you to the following article. (Keep in mind this is Europe, and doesn't take ino account the vampire squids' control over colonial outposts like Australia in the form of Malclown Turnbull in Australia.)
What price the new democracy? Goldman Sachs conquers Europe
Stephen Foley
While ordinary people fret about austerity and jobs, the eurozone's corridors of power have been undergoing a remarkable transformation
Stephen Foley
Friday 18 November 2011

@146 NemesisIsCalling
Really enjoying your commentary, especially on the last threads - could only see you being banned if Jeff Bezos was moderating this blog

Posted by: MadMax2 | Dec 5 2016 23:48 utc | 153


I was never here, and we never had this conversation. Wipe it down.

They did the same thing about the Presidio, SF, military base for cushy officer pre-retirement, bored out of their minds, what's a few pecadillos with some pre-K's? Then all of a sudden, Presidioans were getting arrested, children were taken out of school, and the governmentturned Presidio into an amusement park, ... kind of like Michael Jackson's Wonderland.

They wiped it down "for sanitary reasons". Get it? No prints. No evidence.

"It's your preference, and we all have preferences, don't we, darling, haww, haww, haww."

Podesta/Weiner exposed the Deeper State of Deep State: Mil.Gov Deep Pornography. They are watching your children at night on their tablets playing in their pajamas, thanks to AT&T and their Israeli subcontractor. DHS is the porn integrator. We paste over our cells / tablets so the kids can't be captured on video running around the house, then sold to some international perv group friends of Scalia, along with your street address and their school.

Those porn tapes from Abu Ghraib, Iraqi prisoners being anally raped for the camera, and later found in Bush's White House Annex tape vault, mysterious auto-immolated into ashes?
You'll never, ever, hear another word about Podesta's or Weiner's particular 'preferences', unless Jeff Epstein turns states witness. Remember Heidi Fleiss? Remember Madame Claude?
They were all sent to Camp Climax, lol.

Kanye is lucky they didn't give him a lobotomy for mentioning Pizzagate. Maybe they did? Days of chemical- and electro-shock, he prolly would just blink if you said Pizzagate now, all thanks to Hugh Hefner and his Jewish fascination with underage goy pornography, like Flynt, Goldstein, Guttman and Schwartz. Now it's everywhere, and looking for fresh 'talent'.

Yeah, kinda obvious why MSM will bury this pizza for their BFFs in Mil.Gov.

Posted by: chipnik | Dec 6 2016 2:03 utc | 154


Posted by: NemesisCalling | Dec 6 2016 5:07 utc | 155


Word up, Max. Likewise. b should really learn to keep the talent happy and let this place be the retarded peacock it was meant to be.

Sadly, it is true though. b has banned my home ip. No hard feelings and I'll still visit here for his posts and the awesome array of commentary in the message boards. I can take a hint. No hard feelings.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Dec 6 2016 5:12 utc | 156

@ NemesisisCalling

I am curious what you wrote that would cause you to be banned. I could be next with me taking on the issue of Faith and all that I continue to rant about. Are you sure it is not your ISP keeping you from Fake News sites?

Or some other technical issue....Hmmm. I somehow think that you haven't been banned but there is another reason.....he has warned others.

Be well and continue to challenge the world you are forced to live in.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 6 2016 5:38 utc | 157

@ Psycho 160

Maybe you're right? Just need confirmation from b. Otherwise, there are lots (one) of other ways I could use (waste) my time. And, in any case, Don't cry for me, I'm already dead.

Thanks, Psycho. Stay safe on the cycle.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Dec 6 2016 6:09 utc | 158

@ psychohistorian | 144

@ Harry who seems to think I just don't have enough faith

You are right, I don't. I value reason and logic over faith

Its not about faith, its about knowledge and reason and logic (as I already addressed above). One of the problems in current society, people are brought up in atheistic education, and have little to no knowledge about God (maybe family tradition or few rituals here and there, thats not a real knowledge). Its fine if one chooses atheism or Christianity or w/e, but it should be an educated choice, and not a preconceived notion. Open mind is a wonderful thing.

and want to know which faith you think should govern our world, and why?

God is one, and every genuine theistic religion is a parallel path to the same goal. Some are better suited for one person, some for another.

Posted by: Harry | Dec 6 2016 7:58 utc | 159

Donald Trump
"I will rebuild our military. It will be so strong, and so powerful, and so great. It will be so powerful and so great that we’ll never have to use it. Nobody’s going to mess with us, folks. Nobody.”,

Well i've got news for you, Gringo !
Murkkan armed forces has been so powerful it's unchallenged since ww2 ,yet it still rampaged all over the world like a mad bull chasing a red flag !
Why ?

Not that anybody was 'messing with you' [sic],
It's the Albright doctrine
*What a shame to have such a magnificent military and not using it !*

two obvious conclusion,

1] Trump is just another gringo speaking with forked tongue, a fraudster.

2] He's the latest iteration of the Micc appointee churned out by the murkkan
election circus.



Posted by: denk | Dec 6 2016 10:26 utc | 160

Well i've got news for you, Gringo !
Murkkan armed forces has been so powerful it's unchallenged since ww2 ,yet it still rampaged all over the world like a mad bull chasing a red flag !


Not that anybody was 'messing with you' [sic],
It's the Albright doctrine
*What a shame to have such a magnificent military and not using it !*
Posted by: denk | Dec 6, 2016 5:26:58 AM | 163

AmeriKKKa in a nutshell. Sweet.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 6 2016 14:06 utc | 161

@ Harry about his God

You have not provided any evidence, let alone compelling evidence that your God is anything but myth. What is this knowledge you speak of? I have been round and round with folks and it comes back to having faith, which I refuse to have, as do others.

What "knowledge" Harry? Show me a test that can be repeated by scientists that proves your God exists. Try not to torture our language too bad in trying.

If it is anything to you, I do have a feeling that I resonate with the Cosmos that I am part of but I can think of no way I can share that feeling with others, nor do I care to. I am comfortable with not knowing but having a totally open mind and keep questioning. I see your mind as being closed because you have faith in a myth that makes you feel better about your existence. You follow your faith instead of question all that you don't know and be humbled by that.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 6 2016 15:27 utc | 162

Engdhal (tagged above), The Saker (re. Trump.)

Agree with Saker drift.

Trump was not ‘selected’, although he had his supporters, and many of them joined only when the inevitable became apparent (long before public predictions, etc.)

Saker sees: ..clear signs of a *real* struggle taking place inside the US elites and if, indeed, such a struggle is taking place, then I conclude that Trump is not a showman..

Imho, there is not one struggle taking place but multiple factions are moving about defending their bacon - positions, legitimacy, role, etc.

The majority of these were allied to the PTB (1), that is the circle of ‘right-wing’ neo-libs-/-cons, the fake Dem-Rep oligarchic duopoly. A kind of consensus, a flat-earth mentality of Biz as Usual, any vetted candidate would do, with HRC as the preferred and solidly expected juddering Queenie, as being the most *corrupted* and *corruptible*, thus a kind of guarantor of the smooth transmission of power in ‘elite’ circles. Saker’s arguments pointing to pro-HRC support are all good.

Saker: Furthermore, when I see the desperate efforts by Soros & Co to organize some kind of “color revolution” against Trump under the slogan “not my president” and the efforts by, again, Soros & Co. .. I come to the clear conclusion that the Neocons have still not accepted their defeat ..

No.… The only ones who can publically oppose Trump now are the 'official' losers (Dems + affiliated like Stein) and their moves are ritual knee-jerk jabs, to keep the sheeples on board, showing they tried everything. Not true oppo, just the only path available; as in totally corrupt systems, defeat followed by renewal is not a possible, nothing sincere or genuine can be communicated.

Hardcore neo-con beasts exploit anything they can, and do so for personal status (money) and hubris, they adapt - the underlying ideology is more like a pretext than politically motivated, while hangers-on, scribes, etc. parrot the talk.

Trump broke the mold. Not the *God Emperor* - as he is called on some sites! — he is the type of figure that often rises to power in a failed State. (Fill it in.) … /…. yet that often leads to surprises.

I could write another page.. the Iran qu. needs to be tracked closely, as no ‘re-set’ with Russia can be operative if Iran becomes a ‘target’.

1. The Powers that Be is a vague expression I use on purpose (as opposed to the Deep State, or M-I complex, for ex.) It leaves open influence from the 10%, from power of large corps such as Pharma (not only the Pentagon, oil industry, Central Bank), the Media (in all its forms, incl. cinema and internet sites), the opinion makers, and certainly unknown figures.

Posted by: Noirette | Dec 6 2016 15:51 utc | 163

@ psychohistorian | Dec 6, 2016 10:27:44 AM | 165

The constitutional separation of church and state was breeched with Reagan's 'moral majority' ploy to gain political power. There is no difference in introducing belief as the equal of reason. The difference is with reason, facts can change the direction of reason in a rational mind. Compare that with belief, that once a belief is established, little can be done to dislodge a belief. We are now in a state of belief that will not be changed until it collapses of its own ineptitude to respond to crisis. Enjoy the ride, your fare for the ride has been paid by the congregation.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Dec 6 2016 17:05 utc | 164

Trump just declared in Ohio,3?trillion spent in the ME for nothing,its worse than ever.
And for political novices,Trump chose Pence so he would have credence in the exact region he needed to win the POTUS,which turned out to be absolutely astute and another sign that you purists and nobility might be totally wrong about his intelligence.
And in that speech,he reiterated America first,and the coming together of Americans for America.
No retreat there,and his picks for cabinet all seem not to the liking of the zionists,so again he is demonstrating an independence not seen in decades.
Until he reveals an Obomba about face,I will keep my faith in the Donald.

Posted by: dahoit | Dec 6 2016 17:58 utc | 165

Seems that all the panic to ban Independent media has come following the Wikileaks Podesta emails exposing "pizzagate", elite Washington DC child sex abuse ring.

The organisation Anonymous believes Assange has been renditioned by black ops from the Ecuadorean embassy.

Veterans Today writes this:

Read this if still in disbelief:

Posted by: Anoncommenter | Dec 6 2016 18:27 utc | 166

The Golden Calf

Israeli artist shows masterful contempt for Netanyahoo, with enormous political statue, which is placed in a manner where it will do the most good. A most amazing grassroots political scene ensues. Check out the video in the article.

Posted by: Copeland | Dec 6 2016 20:39 utc | 167

Reading news from Greece (in French, sorry)
one wonders if they will not end up asking to become a member of the Russian Federation

Posted by: Mina | Dec 6 2016 23:19 utc | 168

Hoarsewhisperer 164

'Did China ask us if its ok to built a military complex [sic] in the middle of scs'

This megalomaniac thinks China should get murkkan permission to build up on an uninhabitated isle in its own backyard !

OTOH, its must be murkkan's god given right to build a vast military complex all around China, not to mention poking a dagger at China's belly and pointing a gun at its heart ! [1]

So whats the difference bet this megalomaniac and all those before him, Obama, clinton, Bush.......
Zero, nein, nada, zilch !


military bases in SK, JP, GUAM, SG, PH, Oz....
Agies warships and THAAD in SK.

Posted by: denk | Dec 7 2016 3:36 utc | 169

Here is a ZH link that reinforces my view on the sickness of private finance if you want more, or someone else's take on it.

I also just submitted a comment to a interesting posting at Angry Bear that those wanting more about the financial world may want to read.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 7 2016 5:31 utc | 170

@ psychohistorian | 165

165@ Harry about his God

You have not provided any evidence, let alone compelling evidence that your God is anything but myth. What is this knowledge you speak of?

Earlier I addressed the questions you raised before, but now since you are asking about evidence of God, we can speak about it as well. I love this subject, since its of great interest to me as well.

What "knowledge" Harry? Show me a test that can be repeated by scientists that proves your God exists. Try not to torture our language too bad in trying.

For every subject there is appropriate proof. There are ways to know God and get the evidence of His existance, same way as you learn any complex subject - studying it. Like if you want to have knowledge about Quantum physics, you study it from the appropriate books and under guidance of professors. Likewise, Vedas are science about God, so you have to study them under guidance of gurus (spiritual professors) to know God. And end result wont be theoretical, you can actually experience and see God face to face.

Great starting point with condensed knowledge about God and every living being is explained by God Himself in Bhagavad Gita:

Posted by: Harry | Dec 7 2016 8:08 utc | 171

@ psychohistorian
You havr hit the nail on the head about the dingbats peddling their superstitions. It is possible to have a rational discussion about most things, people can put forward their objectively verified evidence, then others can agree or disagree backing up their POV with evidence.
Attempting any sort of rational interaction is totally pointless.
e.g. If someone claims 'faith' that trump will do the right thing, at least it is possible to hold them accountable when the donald inevitably shows his true colours. Of course those with a heavy emotional investment will do like a god botherer and deny reality, but that isn't a function of the irrationality of the belief just the irrationality of the person.

The superstitions don't work that way, the mugs are told to have faith and that is the end of the discussion as far as they are concerned.
It's beautiful scam dating from before humans understood that the world can be assessed objectively and contentious matters assessed, experimented and if correct, verified by replication of the experiments.
There is no way of doing the same with someone overwhelmed by superstition cos you have to wait until both parties are dead, then of course the lights are out neither exists any longer - no discussion, so I don't even try to debate with them.

The truly dingbat part is the way that the credulous morons selectively grab on to those bits of science that are convenient for them while rejecting those which may threaten their superstitious beliefs.
So a dingbat is happy to use a computer to communicate but "doesn't believe in evolution". It is pitiful a sad reflection of the way some self-entitled, usually westerner, humans imagine the universe is able to be custom molded to match their own warped belief set.
I wouldn't mind - let the fools believe what they like but unfortunately a huge amount of damage is done to innocents by the 'shepherds' of these morons who use their power over the silly blind faith believers to subjugate others eg Modi in India, the witch in Burma, the TV god botherers in amerika, countless 'popes' who enabled the slaughter throughout Latin America & Africa - the list goes on & on.

When I worked with indigenous Australians in remote parts of the country, I witnessed up close the incredible damage religious proselytizing does to fragile cultures.
Indigenous Australians had developed a philosophy over more than 40,000 years which worked for them, it wasn't about any god BS, it was about the country & how they fitted into it, then a bunch of bible bashers turn up tell em its all a crock and fill their heads with irrelevant nonsense from other cultures. The people quit doing the stuff they needed to do to keep their way of life viable, and have a big hole they fill with booze, kava, TV etc. Horrible to see.

That is step one in colonising & dominating others. Religious colonisation, step 2 is sexual colonisation - the first imperialists generally select a woman going against all local customs & using those relationships as a wedge to create a gap to begin the economic imperialism aka theft.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Dec 7 2016 11:10 utc | 172

Trump lays out non-interventionist U.S. military policy

"We will stop racing to topple foreign regimes that we know nothing about, that we shouldn't be involved with," Trump said. "Instead, our focus must be on defeating terrorism and destroying ISIS, and we will."

"We don't want to have a depleted military because we’re all over the place fighting in areas that we shouldn't be fighting in. It's not going to be depleted any longer," he said.

Trump said any nation that shares these goals will be considered a U.S. partner.

"We don't forget. We want to strengthen old friendships and seek out new friendships," he said. He said the policy of "intervention and chaos" must come to an end.

"We will build up our military not as an act of aggression, but as an act of prevention," he said. "In short, we seek peace through strength."

Now that sounds like what everyone was hoping for from Trump. One nation that shares those goals is ... the Russian Federation. I'll still believe it when I see it. And throwing more money at the military is a recipe for disaster, along every dimension.

Pepe Escobar has an article up emphasizing Trump's going out of his way to poke Xi and the Chinese in the eye with his call to Taiwan. I think it might be a case of Trump trying to sell a 'you and us against the Chinese' to Putin. Good luck on that score!

Since Brexit the Brits, and since they heard about the OBOR plan the Germans and plenty of others in Europa have seen the sun rising in the east and have been thinking China. My guess would be that Xi and Putin are clever enough - certainly more clever than i am - to act the middle and to play both ends off against each other.

But ending the US' neo-con reign of death, devastation, and destruction would be great.

Israel strikes Mezzeh Airbase in Damascus

Although the video title says it was an airstrike, the Syrian Ministry of Defense have stated it was surface-to-surface missiles.

What is Trump going to do about this sort of stuff? It's hard to imagine him doing anything but bend over for the Israelis.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 7 2016 11:10 utc | 173

@ 177

Is it at all possible for you to write anything without involving sexual innuendos towards those who rile your opinion? This is behaviour of an adolescent.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Dec 7 2016 12:42 utc | 174

Putin to Send Enough Wheat to Venezuela to Stop Food War

They may say it's payback for the vote in the UNSC, or they may say it's about support for another oil-producer - they probably won't say anything about Fidel, the help he received from the USSR, and the subsequent collapse and resurgence of Russia - but it's good to hear, no matter the reason. Good for Putin, good for Russia. And good for Maduro, lashed to the mast in Venezuela.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 7 2016 13:02 utc | 175

Hey jfl, you'll want to post mature, thoughtful stuff like our little plush toy did at 137 and 140.

Posted by: all news all the time | Dec 7 2016 14:34 utc | 176

A Moment of Silence for President-Elect
Supporters left Speechless by Call for Respect

Rev. John Wesley King of the AUMP Church lauded the moment of silence for respect and equality that the President-elect received at his recent "victory lap rally" in Ohio.

In prepared remarks read from a teleprompter on uniting the country, he intoned that "We condemn bigotry and prejudice in all of its forms... We denounce all of the hatred and we forcefully reject the language of exclusion and separation.... We're gonna come together. We have no choice, we have to and it's better, it's better."

Said Rev. King, "I and my deacons were all deeply moved by the deep and profound moment of silence with which the crowd met this statement. They were quite vocal and demonstrative before and after this, but you could hear a pin drop on an angel's head when he said that."

Campaign spokeswoman Sirena Di Livorno told the press "You see, this proves he's a not a white supremacist. Sure, the crown bayed for 'Crooked Hillary's' blood. But we hate because of her opposition to us, not her race." She added that the President-elect harbored no animosity towards people of any race, nationality or creed. "Except Mexicans, of course. They're all rapists and losers. And oh yeah, and Muslims and Iranians, too."

An anonymous source in the campaign further qualified this. "We're not too sure about the Jews and Catholics, either. What with Francis I not liking us and believing in the Chinese global warming scam. Very unchristianly unfair. But if he has the bishop's conference at the fabulous new hotel in Washington, we might be able to begin to talk about forgiveness."

Efforts prior to press time to confirm the fabrication of a ring to be kissed by those supplicating the President (the process formerly known as petition for the redress of greivances) proved unsucessful.

Posted by: all news all the time | Dec 7 2016 14:35 utc | 177

@ Debisdead about my religious comments and replies

Thanks for your response. I have spent 7 weeks in Australia during two trips there and enjoyed the aboriginal and "other" culture. I am glad to hear your respect for the aboriginal culture. Even most of your "other" culture is better than what American culture has/is devolving into....sad

I knew going in that I would bring out the faith breathers that would have the audacity of saying I don't have an open mind....grin

Be well

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 8 2016 1:14 utc | 178

So far Trump has two USMC generals in his cabinet ...

Secretary of Defense James Mattis
Department of 'Homeland Security' John F. Kelly

and one US Army general for a National Security Advisor

Michael T. Flynn

... the marine in charge of 'homeland security' leaves no question as to who the enemy is in Trumpian eyes : he has seen the enemy and the enemy is US.

See how many more generals he puts over us ... there's a little hitch in that there's a law prohibiting generals from serving as Secretary of Defense within Mattis' timeframe ... but Trump and his fascists don't heed no stinkin' laws. Start of his administration by breakin' laws, just so there's no doubt where he's taking US.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 8 2016 1:46 utc | 179

all FAKE news all the time 181

*Chinese global warming scam. * ??

its al gore's baby, i think he was nominated for
a nobel prize !

Posted by: denk | Dec 8 2016 2:32 utc | 180

*Speaking yesterday, US Vice President-elect Mike Pence defended Trump’s phone conversation as a “courtesy call” but dodged a question as to whether it signalled a break with the “One China” policy. He did, however, indicate that “you’re going to see in a President Trump a willingness to engage the world but engage the world on America’s terms.”

can somebody enlighten me how's trump different from all the previous megalomaniacs ?

Posted by: denk | Dec 8 2016 2:46 utc | 181

Interesting read from Malysian POV: George Soros and the Khazarian Agenda

Posted by: ProPeace | Dec 8 2016 2:54 utc | 182

An eye-opener: Hollywood “Insider” EXPOSES ALL (Cults/Clones/MindControl And; MORE)

The men behind the curtain: Who is "The Crown" Anyway ?

Posted by: ProPeace | Dec 8 2016 3:56 utc | 183

When the man who pledges to 'stop regime change, bring back the troops [cough cough]' and then in the same breath promises to 'remake the world's most powerful military into the world's no 1 military', even a five year old ought to know this is a conman talking !

I guess the 300 additional warships promised by this alleged 'isolationalist' are needed to defend AEI poster girl Tsai Ying Wen's 'freedom of speech' to smooch up to the prez elect. [1]

'Trump is our man, he's gonna to teach those Chicoms a lesson, they've been ripping us off for too long!'
Chant the Trumpsters who'r going to pay for this gigantic Pentagoon/MICC scam, the same pentagoon which couldnt account for $7000000000000 bucks !

just like i thought, this 'impromptu courtesy call' from tw is yet another washington orchestrated scam to roil the water in tw straits.
just when the asia pivot boondooggle appears to be fizzling out....

Posted by: denk | Dec 10 2016 3:28 utc | 184

Here are a few links I find interesting
Trump team memo on climate change alarms Energy Department staff
Trump and China
The 2nd one about currency manipulation is private finance spin....The US wants to devalue its currency w/o others doing so as well to maintain parity...
Trump and Syria.....the spin in this will do the same from your head...make it spin

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 10 2016 4:20 utc | 185

@ me who really should proofread comments before hitting the post key........for instead of from in last ditty

Here is another link I don't know what to think about
The link title says it all, IMO. We certainly need to take control back from the psychopaths in charge but I am not sure I want to salute Michael Moore.....

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 10 2016 4:25 utc | 186

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