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December 09, 2016

Official Fake News Numbers Will Have Serious Consequences

The U.S. has killed 50,000 out of 20-30,000 ISIS fighters.

US official: 50,000 Islamic State killed in wars to date, AP, Dec 9 2016

WASHINGTON — A senior US military official for the first time says the US-led coalition has killed 50,000 Islamic State militants in the last two years in Iraq and Syria.

The official said it was a conservative estimate, but it’s a bit more than what others have stated before.

CIA: ISIS has 20,000 to 31,500 fighters, The Hills, Sep 11 2014

The CIA estimates the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) is made up of anywhere between 20,000-31,500 fighters, according to reports Thursday night.

The agency previously put the number at 10,000 but revised it upward after stronger recruitment since June, according to CIA spokesman Ryan Trapani, who was quoted in The Associated Press.

While ISIS forces come to existence seemingly out of nowhere only to get killed by the U.S. military, civilians in east-Aleppo vanish into the nowhere whenever the Syrian government forces take new areas.

UN diplomat offers to personally escort 900 al-Qaeda fighters out of Aleppo in hope of ending bombing, Telegraph, Oct 6 2016

Speaking in Geneva [UN envoy Staffan de Mistura] said that around 900 members of al-Nusra were still in Aleppo and he asked the jihadists to “look at my eyes” and decide if they were prepared to stay in the city even if it meant more casualties among the 275,000 civilians in the area.

“A thousand of you are deciding on the destiny of 275,000 civilians,” he said. “If you did decide to leave [Aleppo] with dignity and with your weapons, to Idlib or anywhere you wanted to go, I personally am ready physically to accompany you.”

Rebels defiant as Syrian army nears Aleppo's Old City, Reuters, Dec 4 2016

The U.N. estimates that close to 30,000 people have been displaced by the latest fighting, 18,000 to government-held areas, a further 8,500 to the Kurdish-controlled neighborhood of Sheikh Maqsoud and the rest within rebel-held areas.

U.N. envoy Staffan de Mistura has said more than 100,000 people may still be in the rebel-held area.

The opposition Aleppo council claims that there are 150,000 left in the "rebel"-held area. Official UN refugee numbers say that some 26,500 fled from east-Aleppo to the government controlled areas. Another 8-9,000 fled yesterday and today. The Takfiri held areas have shrunk to some 4% of their original extension in east Aleppo. If the original Mistura numbers were correct those must by now be the most densely inhabited area of the world.

But somehow those numbers are now inoperative.

275,000 civilians - 35,000 refugees = 240,000. But there are only 100,000 to 150,000 left in east-Aleppo? Where are the 90,000-140,000 people missing from those numbers? Where did they go?

Equally false numbers were used by the UN and other with regard to Mardaya and Daraya.

Here are more officially faked news and numbers:

IDF map of Hezbollah positions revealed as fabrication, Times of Israel, Dec 9 2016

A map of southern Lebanon released this week by the Israeli military that ostensibly showed Hezbollah positions, infrastructure and armaments along a section of the Israeli border was a fabrication, the army admitted Thursday.

The map, tweeted by the army Tuesday, appeared to feature over 200 towns and villages, which the IDF said the organization had turned into its operations bases, along with over 10,000 potential targets for Israeli strikes in the event of a new war with the terror group.
According to a Channel 2 report Tuesday, the illustrative map has been shown to practically every foreign diplomat visiting Israel ...

The IDF spokesperson posted the map with the remark: "This is a war crime". But the map is fake and as it claims that Hizbullah positions are near villages and cities it was though up as propaganda cover for the future IDF war crime of bombing those build up areas.

In reality Hizbullah takes special care to position its missile forces away from any settlements.

More uncovering of official fake news just from today's feed:

British Govt-Funded Outlet Offered Journalist $17,000 a Month to Produce Propaganda for Syrian Rebels and The incredible story behind the Syrian protest singer everyone thought was dead.

The BBC, CNN, Guardian, Telegraph, AP and others had reported that the "regime" had brutally murdered the "protest singer". Even some corpse was shown but that had been murdered and brutalized by the "rebels". The singer is alive and living in Spain.

The above numbers and stories are real fake news used as instrument of western governments and allegedly neutral international organizations. Unlike the inconvenient news spread by this and other "propaganda" sites they are depicted as truthful by mainstream media even when they are lies. Only by chance will they later be exposed.

I doubt that people will, over time, continue to fall for such nonsense. Information availability has increased. The people can get better informed with only little effort. The continued use of such false numbers and facts will lead to further deterioration of the trustworthiness of mainstream news and government institutions. In consequence the people will look, and vote, for outsiders to govern them. Radicals on the right of the political spectrum will gain more from this trend than the dispersed forces on the left.

Those predictable consequence may be consistent with a general political plan.

Posted by b on December 9, 2016 at 11:50 UTC | Permalink


Well, we know that if you ask people, you always get the wrong answer (Trump, Brexit, ..)
JC Juncker (the guy that made 300+ tax evasion deals) was complaining the other day that people don't love Europe enough, so we should stop holding referendums.
Next step is stopping holding elections altogether, because only smart people know what is good for us.

Posted by: Jeff | Dec 9 2016 12:05 utc | 1

This is a much better and more important article than the geometry one and it's still far from your very best. Thanks for documenting and sharing the false (fake) numbers from the US propaganda outlets in one place. Keep holding their feet to the fire.

Posted by: Uncoy | Dec 9 2016 12:18 utc | 2

@1 jeff, 'stopping holding elections altogether, because only smart people know what is good for us'

yeah. that's what they've done in thailand. here they call them 'good' people. of course they're 'smart' too.

b, 'Those predictable consequence may be consistent with a general political plan'

yeah. it's one of those 'plans' that only become apparent after the fact, when all precursors are seen as causal. i think they're just stumbling around in the dark, as they always do. saying and doing what seems like the 'right' thing at the time. corrupt? ... incompetent? ... both at the same time, i think.

i think you're right though. i do think that most people are unconfused as to the fonts of fake news. the only ones who (pretend to) take ProPornOT seriously are the 'brain trust' who funded them ... that'd be the purveyors of fake news themselves.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 9 2016 12:37 utc | 3

I think it is Harold Bloom who remarked "Numbers are mentioned in Torah and Talmud for many profound reasons, but counting is not one of them." If you treat the numbers of warriors, tribe sizes, spans of years, ship sizes and all kinds of numbers in the holy texts as literal numerical truth, it is impossible to get a plausible narrative. But if you realize that each number stands for some combination of letters and piece them properly together you can access Divine Wisdom. Thus they are absolutely true, but in a deeper, profound sense.

Thus 300,000 of innocent martyrs from Eastern Aleppo represent the mystical, spiritual strength of the righteous cause, and as this strength wanes, so do the numbers. The actual numbers seems to be higher that the low-ball estimates of 30,000.

One should think seriously about 20,000,000 innocent victims of the "food weapon" in the blockaded areas controlled by "illegitimate government" in Sana, Yemen. Unlike the Aleppo number, this number is actual. It seems that the claims that Yemen was 80% dependent on food import were exaggerated, so as yet we did not see millions literally starved to death, but it is nevertheless the largest man-made catastrophe of 21st century (so far). Yemen does not need "help", it needs lifting of the maritime blockade and banking blockade (Yemenis are not allowed to pay for imported food through banks that use Federal Reserve (and Swift?) transfers, according to NYT, this is true even in the "liberated" southern Yemen).

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 9 2016 12:38 utc | 4

Wasn't that just the icing on the turdcake? Hillary Clinton, 'we ran under sniper fire from the helicopter with our heads down' Clinton says fake news has real world consequences, yes that video about Muslims was the real reason for the attack in Benghazi right Hillary?

This has gone past bizzaro world in a different dimension. IT"S NUTS!!

This whole fake news narrative need to be caught, repackaged and sent right back at them.

Posted by: Gravatomic | Dec 9 2016 12:44 utc | 5

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Like MOA, and our b, Paul Craig Roberts is on the list of 200, too ...

Upon reflection, given the many worthies on this so called list, IMHO, perhaps it should be considered an inadvertent first draft, 'Public Good', Honor Roll ...

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 9 2016 13:00 utc | 6

On French gov radio this morning, the Radio France correspondent visiting a schol where journos were shown how it was use as a base by the terrorists moralized on the fact the 4 bombed ambulances in the courtyard of the school had certainly been used to cure people and that it was bad to bomb ambulances.
She also added that the civilians who were in the neighborhood "must have been here" before they vanished.. an easy explanation for the conflating figures.
And of course, the jouralist they sent is not an Arabic speaker.
Ahram spins it differently and mentions the recent anti rebels demos,-rebels.aspx

Posted by: Mina | Dec 9 2016 13:15 utc | 7

Yep, corporate media lost control of the narrative, but they lost that with globalization enabling people to compare national narratives.

However, the news you get from social media is by no means better or independent of agenda.

All we do on this blog is comparing MSM narratives and discussing their likelihood.

Nobody really knows what is happening on the ground and whose twitter account is for real.

My present fun example - Pat Lang predicting violence on New Year's Eve in Germany on his blog quoting video. does not even hide their agenda in the comment, their link that pretends to quote Bild goes to The video may well be fake.

Germany is a much much safer place than the United States.

Posted by: somebody | Dec 9 2016 13:19 utc | 8


With more kebabs, we can get Germany a lot more unsafe, believe me.

Posted by: lemur | Dec 9 2016 14:03 utc | 9


275,000 civilians - 35,000 refugees = 240,000. But there are only 100,000 to 150,000 left in east-Aleppo? Where are the 90,000-140,000 people missing from those numbers? Where did they go?

I told you where they've gone!
It wouldn't surprise me if the wankers at HRW did some maths and came up with a claim that the Russian and Syrian regimes had massacred 246,300 people in East Aleppo because they (HRW) know there were 275,000 people there to start with and only 28,700 left

Posted by: Ghostship | Dec 7, 2016 3:54:14 PM | 19

Posted by: Ghostship | Dec 9 2016 14:05 utc | 10

What is really happening in Syria...the war...escalating...badly

Posted by: pubumwei | Dec 9 2016 14:07 utc | 11

Today's news is all fake,and they are upping the Russian accusation(preposterous)with McCain and Graham (Reps)accusing Russia of hacking,and the hell bitch calls out fake news on Capitol Hill,and the Lying Times and the Graun are all in on Russian doping.
Republicans attacking Trump?Two traitor peas in a pod,and they should probably thank Trumps coattails for their reelection the pos scum.
And the Lying Times claims Russia planting pedophilia crap on unsuspecting wonderful criminals.A little Pizza gate comeback?The Russians are at fault.
I think its time for cocktails,to warm our our torturers houses of BS.

Posted by: dahoit | Dec 9 2016 14:12 utc | 12

#9 I have stopped eating Kebab a long time ago

I found the video in German MSM.

Posted by: somebody | Dec 9 2016 14:13 utc | 13

@4 "Yemen .. is nevertheless the largest man-made catastrophe of 21st century (so far)."
Although started a bit earlier, I still think the Congo merits that distinction, especially because nobody ever talks about it.

Posted by: Jeff | Dec 9 2016 14:14 utc | 14



The vanishing civilians of Aleppo

Posted by: virgile | Dec 9 2016 14:21 utc | 15

add to 13

That video works like a Rorschach pick your villain test

"Syrian facebook posters think the woman is a Muslim and the attackers Neo Nazis"

With English translation - to get the information across that the woman is German and did not wear Hijab.

Posted by: somebody | Dec 9 2016 14:35 utc | 16

By the way, b.'s post motivated me to click on the Times of Israel link and from there to check out @JudgeDan48 who uncovered the fake.

This will be my favourite example of guerilla messaging in the future.

Posted by: somebody | Dec 9 2016 14:51 utc | 17

apparently, the US wants to tear up the Montreux accords, and keep a fleet in the Black Sea indefinitely, according to Sputniknews

Posted by: mischimischi | Dec 9 2016 15:04 utc | 18

Yet another victim of the awful regime is just resurrected

Posted by: Mina | Dec 9 2016 15:06 utc | 19

in fairness, ISIS militants killed can be explained by the date difference. It is possible that the difference might have joined ISIS. Though I doubt that people spinning numbers cared much about consistency of the numbers, they will surely be a bit more subtle in the future. As you say, access to truth is not that difficult for the ones who seek it,

Posted by: kemerd | Dec 9 2016 15:07 utc | 20

>>>> Mina | Dec 9, 2016 10:06:36 AM | 19
Did you read the article. If you're not careful, b'll expose you as a plagiarist.
(Hint, you posted a link b already posted)

Posted by: Ghostship | Dec 9 2016 15:14 utc | 21

I am sure you've heard of this story on your local msms; it was on the radio yesterday in France. But many details in the letter do not fit the report I heard on the radio. How many versions of the story will there be in the end?

Posted by: Mina | Dec 9 2016 15:16 utc | 22

>>>> mischimischi | Dec 9, 2016 10:04:42 AM | 18

apparently, the US wants to tear up the Montreux accords, and keep a fleet in the Black Sea indefinitely, according to Sputniknews

There are a few problems:
1. The United States is not a signatory to the Montreux Convention, so it'd be difficult for them to tear it up.
2. Romania and Bulgaria, the two other NATO countries on the Black Sea have not been prepared to re-flag US warships as their own to get round the restrictions so why would they be interested in allowing to USN to base illegal warships in their ports.
3. The only access for large ships is through the Dardanelles and the Bosphorus which Turkey controls, so without Turkey's support, there's no way USN warships could get into the Black Sea and Turkey is bound by that treaty, one they're unlikely to break.
4. In WW1, the Britsh tried to force their way through the Dardanelles and that was a major success.
This is just some idiots in the USN, Pentagon or some think tank blowing off.

Posted by: Ghostship | Dec 9 2016 15:28 utc | 23

u got me! i hadn't read that far!! but again with phones and 10" screens...u never really know where u r!

Posted by: Mina | Dec 9 2016 15:33 utc | 24

Nice to see the very objective, Qatari-funded AlJazeera crying crocodile tears about the facts on the ground in Aleppo and (imagine the audacity!) Russia's and its allies' unwillingness for even a teeny-weensy compromise. The piece is so blind to the historical facts of this war against Syria that it might as well be fake news (

Posted by: GoraDiva | Dec 9 2016 16:02 utc | 25

@25 A beautifully balanced article I'm sure but I only got as far as 'regime' before scrolling to the comments.

Posted by: dh | Dec 9 2016 16:14 utc | 26

After WW2 at Nuremburg, Nazis who produced the Fake News that led to its invasions were indicted, found guilty and sentenced to death as this real news item discusses,

I think it fitting for Fred Hiatt, Judith Miller and their editors to be treated similarly for their actions differed little from Nazi crimes.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 9 2016 16:22 utc | 27

pardon me, this is a little off topic
but Lewis Lapham is best writer/thinker in usa
and here is his analysis of election

Posted by: mauisurfer | Dec 9 2016 16:24 utc | 28

I suspect they will explain the difference in the Aleppo numbers by claiming that Assad has "disappeared them". There is nothing they can't spin, no matter how ridiculous or evidence-free.

Posted by: Bob | Dec 9 2016 16:49 utc | 29

@Ghostship @ 23

The Sputnik article mentions that according to the Montreux Convetion, warships are limited to a 21 day period in the Black Sea, which the US is already contravening. The US would station ships there for much longer periods, in effect to form another front in their anti-missile defense shield.

Posted by: mischimischi | Dec 9 2016 16:52 utc | 30

What are the CIA going to do now?..."The Stop Arming Terrorists Act (SATA) has been introduced today in the House of Representatives by Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D – HI). The bill is a bipartisan effort, co-sponsored by Reps. Peter Welch (D – VT), Barbara Lee (D – CA), Dana Rohrabacher (R – CA), and Thomas Massie (R – KY) which would forbid the US government from using taxpayer dollars to arm, fund, or train terrorist organizations.

Rep. Gabbard noted that it has been against the law for years for individual Americans to fund terrorist organizations, but that the US has been routinely doing so for years in Syria, providing arms to many terrorist-linked groups within Syria’s rebellion".

Posted by: harrylaw | Dec 9 2016 16:58 utc | 31

wait wait wait... fake news is just fine: it's metaphorical

Posted by: Mina | Dec 9 2016 17:01 utc | 32

@ Mina #32

Written by Anne Barnard sitting in Beirut .
Now we just have to wait for Richard Enggels from NBC News to confirm to us that little Bana does have a Syrian accent, like when he was captured by the rebels in Syria but said that from their accent they must be Assad's militia thugs. Never knew he was a linguist for someone who learned Arabic on the streets of Cairo, Baghdad and other ME capitals.

Posted by: Yul | Dec 9 2016 17:13 utc | 33

Perhaps the numerical inconsistencies are the result of America's declining math skills - after all, the Metric System is so very confusing what with having to multiply by ten and all?

Posted by: flatulus | Dec 9 2016 17:23 utc | 34

Thanks for following this. That representatives from the UN and human rights organizations were most responsible for propagating these false numbers is of great concern, as it diminishes their credibility and objectivity immensely while providing the MSM and talking heads with the excuse they were simply accessing numbers provided by supposedly neutral organizations.

Posted by: jayc | Dec 9 2016 17:39 utc | 35

Posted by: Brad | Dec 9 2016 17:39 utc | 36

somebody | Dec 9, 2016 9:35:43 AM | 16

"Syrian facebook posters think the woman is a Muslim and the attackers Neo Nazis"

The woman is German but it's not obvious that it's not a hijab. A woman who worked in a local-to-where-I-live convenience store who was of South Asian origin, wore a hijab which had a similar appearance to that hood from behind. Perhaps they were Neo Nazis who thought she was a Muslim. Some sites have claimed the attackers were immigrants but without proof since it seems they have not been caught yet. Hopefully, with wider publicity, someone will tweet their identity.

Posted by:

Posted by: Ghostship | Dec 9 2016 17:40 utc | 37

mischimischi | Dec 9, 2016 11:52:10 AM | 30
I think you misread the article:

In keeping with the 1936 Montreux Convention, US naval ships cannot stay in the Black Sea more than 21 days, but it looks like the Pentagon could disregard these limitations.

My emphasis.
As far as I'm aware the Russians who justifiably would be the first to complain, haven't.

Posted by: Ghostship | Dec 9 2016 17:57 utc | 38

Of more interest about Aleppo is this article in As-Safir (in Arabic via Angry Arab), which suggests (as far as I can make out) that Syrian intelligence had so thoroughly penetrated the terrorist groups in East Aleppo that they knew exactly what was going to happen and could even "persuade" the terrorists to launch those disastrous attacks to "liberate" East Aleppo. They even "encouraged" the internecine fighting among the terrorists

In detail, the Syrian intelligence has sought since the early days of the fall of the eastern Aleppo to transplant eyes and agents and spies in all military, security, economic and informational structures of the armed groups in Aleppo. Has been successful in many cases, the breach of these groups in the leadership levels influential both on the military or the security or the media level. Has allowed her to these intrusions through a cumulative process continued throughout the past years, but to varying degrees, access to a treasure trove of information, images and coordinates, but it is in some cases was a detailed overview of what is happening from the debates inside some rooms insurgency operations, including obtaining details Special military plan b «grand epic Aleppo», which the army has helped to thwart this plan and aborted by placing an interview plan worked to contain the militants plan and turn it into an ambush against them.

Posted by: Ghostship | Dec 9 2016 18:11 utc | 39

Boris Johnson tells the truth about Saudi Arabia and gets a pie in the face from Teresa May.

Link to two clowns together

Posted by: harrylaw | Dec 9 2016 18:18 utc | 40

That's the late, great Benny Hill. See also F Cunningham here..

Posted by: harrylaw | Dec 9 2016 18:28 utc | 41

The US has 'killed' 25,000 Afghan hillbillies for the past 15 years. It's a crISIS! It's a crISIS!! And it sells a lot of hot dogs and citizens dutifully line up to salute the Yankee War Flag and conga-dance to the Bombs and Red Glare national anthem forced on them in 1931 by the same folks who gave US (and the world) WW1, WW2, KR, VN, GW1, GW2 and coming very soon now, WW3. That's what Operation 'Fake News' is all about, like Operation 'ISIS' before it, only this time, it will be world-shattering. The Chosen control Treasury, Commerce, OMB, NEC and Fed. Nothing will be The Truth. It will either be Given Wisdom from the State, or it will be deemed Fake News and censored.

All the global checks and balances are collapsing. ZIRP will become NIRP bail-in. Take PM Modi's India Privatization Plan: 1. Synthetic fiat script 'gold bonds' traded for citizens' real 24k gold jewelry. 2. Then destroy rupee currency so those 'gold bonds' cannot be redeemed for cash. 3. Instead, sell the citizens fake gold-plated coins for redemption! Their new 'yellow gold' 1oz coins are 24k gold-plated, offered at $2049/oz! You get it?

All this will be hidden by Operation 'Fake News'. Really think about that. All the gold bullion in Afghanistan is gone. All the gold bullion in Iraq is gone. All the gold bullion in Libya and Ukraine is gone. And now it's disappearing from India. Anyone and everyone who pokes the State with the Truth about ISIS or PizzaGate or India Gold Bonds or The Chosen Control All US Finance will be called 'Fake News', then Gitmo'd! Their blogs and webpages and emails and bank records will be shut-in, 404. Facebook, Google, Yahoo can lock you out of your Profile and disappear your account addresses, with simply the flip of a 1 and 0. You will log in one day to their challenge screen, then your life as you knew it will melt away.

Watch this video over your holiday. That was 2008-2011. 1998-2001 was Their Coup. 2008-2011 was Their TakeDown. Now 2016-2019 will be Their Lockdown. We will all become a 1 or a 0 away from being a Non-Person, unless we comply. That's what US H.R.9363 Intelligence (sic) Authorization Act is all about: kiss The Flag, sing The Anthem, salute the Given Wisdom, buy the Big Lie, give up your Last Life Savings to Deep State, ...or rot in a Salvation Army hospice center, wailing your toothless plea:

"I WANT MY MOMMY!", haww, haww, haww. A lotta mommy's, I reckon.

Posted by: chipnik | Dec 9 2016 19:30 utc | 42

Watch this video over your holiday. That was 2008-2011. 1998-2001 was Their Coup. 2008-2011 was Their TakeDown. Now 2016-2019 will be Their Lockdown. We will all become a 1 or a 0 away from being a Non-Person, unless we comply. That's what US H.R.9363 Intelligence (sic) Authorization Act is all about: kiss The Flag, sing The Anthem, salute the Given Wisdom, buy the Big Lie, give up your Last Life Savings to Deep State, ...or rot in a Salvation Army hospice center, wailing your toothless plea:

"I WANT MY MOMMY!", haww, haww, haww. A lotta mommy's, I reckon.

Posted by: chipnik | Dec 9, 2016 2:30:22 PM | 43

Are you always a perpetual 'downer' or what? Ever offer constructive input? Perhaps I missed such from you but your tendencies are usually utterly pessimistic. Consider giving it a rest once in a while dude.

Posted by: Avid Lurker | Dec 9 2016 20:41 utc | 43

thanks b... this isn't going to stop.. when some country stands up to the bully and interferes with it's agenda of war=money, irrespective of any humanity - the lies will continue.. it is like going into a jungle and hoping to kill all the mosquitoes in it-> ain't gonna happen! but, i appreciate your efforts in dispelling the lies.. it is becoming more transparent by the day..

@ 15 virgile.. nice to see gwynne dyer has become less of a shill for the empire.. stopped reading him a long time ago, but it appears a crack has opened in his approach!

@18 mischimischi.. who needs democracy when you have the war party in power 24/7, regardless of elections!

@29 bob.. ditto your comment.. true.

@32/33 mina /yul.. i can't believe anne bernard is still on the empire's payroll.. oh wait - she is a 'bad', but consistent liar from afar, so they can continue to put her to use, in spite of being proven wrong time and time again...

Posted by: james | Dec 9 2016 21:23 utc | 44


Trying to call out Mil.Gov Fake News by highlighting examples of Deep State's psyop is like trying to correct comments on BB. They have legions of propagandists doing Hugh Downes Call-and-Response Think-Speak, and they will purge your comments anyway. Deep State 100% controls the media and the message, and once H.R.6393 passes, they will purge MoA, regardless of you pointing out their hypocrisy. You will be targeted as a 'Russian operative' then DDOS'd and defamed, while the real Communists, former-Soviet Khazars in the Pentagon, the NSA and the CIA, bleed out USAryans for another $6,000,000,000,000 gone MIA. You're spitting into a real typhoon. It's better to take cover and hunker down.

Posted by: chipnik | Dec 9 2016 22:24 utc | 45

44 "Those who cannot remember the past are doomed to repeat it." Georges Santayana
Watch it! Watch it a dozen times!! I worked inside the Beltway, and my sibling worked on Wall Street. You . have . no. idea.

I'm suggesting to MoA to steer a different course. MoA can't win baiting the former-Soviet Bear, and could lose this site.
Something positive, as I've suggested, is sell ad space on the right-banner, then use that to talk about world social issues.

MIC has a $6,000,000,000,000 unaccounted honey-pot, and a $35 BILLION a year domestic psyop budget. How much does MoA have?

Posted by: chipnik | Dec 9 2016 22:33 utc | 46

@ chipnik who continues to tell us how bad it is going to get

While I agree with your prognostication I disagree with your advice to others. I believe that our species needs to hit the coming wall hard enough to foster structural change in the way we socially organize (end private finance is my mantra to others).

I don't see MoA or others doing any good to themselves or the rest of society by anticipatory fumblings, as well intentioned as they may be. I believe that the American people and others worldwide will soon see clearly the lack of humanistic morals that those in and owning private finance have.....but I doubt the downfall will be televised like the McCarthy hearings.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 9 2016 23:15 utc | 47

@27 karlof, 'I think it fitting for Fred Hiatt, Judith Miller and their editors to be treated similarly for their actions differed little from Nazi crimes.'

from your link ...

Sulzberger rag's, Bezos' blog's Fake News Still Bringing Real Guns to Iraq, Killing Thousands

Fake news propagated by the US government and collaborating organizations such as the New York Times and Washington Post helped create an environment in which the US was able to illegally invade Iraq in 2003, killing at least one million and possibly upwards of two million people, including the deaths of some 4,500 US soldiers, according to a meta-study by Nobel-winning Physicians for Social Responsibility.

Just this November, nearly 6,000 people were killed in Iraq thanks to the conflicts that are still raging due to the invasion (which is ongoing), and it was not an atypical month – even more were killed in October.

Regarding the fake news that laid the groundwork for the US war of aggression, award-winning journalist Robert Parry notes that, for example, Judith Miller of NYT and Washington Post editorial page editor Fred Hiatt “repeatedly stated the ‘fact’ of Iraq’s hidden WMD as flat fact and mocked anyone who doubted the ‘group think.'”

Parry also traces the use of fake news by these outlets and the government to the present, raising interesting legal questions about whether and how the individuals who perpetrate fake news should be punished, and to what extent they are protected by the US first amendment.

Trevor Timm of The Atlantic cites a Supreme Court decision which ruled that speech is protected unless it “is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action”.

According to the highest UN officials and many others (including most of the world), the invasion of Iraq was a lawless action, which would make statements directed to precipitating it ineligible for protection under US law.

The next question that arises would be how to punish the offenders of the illegal speech. Sticking to US legal precedent, we may note that the US, at Nuremberg, executed Germans who it determined had issued fake news in service of creating the conditions for Germany to invade other nations. And though the death penalty has since been eradicated in most of the world, it has not been in the US.

just trying and convicting them would do the trick. let them serve their sentences in one of the federal resort prisons for white-collar criminals. all of them, cheney collaborated with miller at the times. long sentences.

the nobel peace prize laureate just authorized resupply of his al-ciaduh units in syria. trying to keep his trademark death, devastation, and destruction going till the final bell. his deceit is no longer possible. he's capable of fooling no one at this point. and neither is sulzberger nor bezos nor anyone of the rest. everyone with a pulse knows who the liars and war-criminals are by now.

the problem is that too many people are 'ok' with it. it pays - very well - to go along and get along.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 9 2016 23:34 utc | 48

I truly like the name ProPornoT. It is well known that majority of internet users, at least on occasion, visit risqué sites, so AntiPornoT would be instantly unpopular. While Pro- is bound to generate some traffic.

I made a spot-check of their list (careful! can distract you! especially if you know Russian ?!). One of the propaganda sites has url The content masks the true intentions masterfully:

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Actually, they are not apolitical. An article tells how to use your gun to stock your pantry. Some historical remarks about revolutions. Seems that they are "natural foodies" plus libertarian hunters. The technical self-term is "peppers". Still, it takes some imagination how they may advance some foreign agenda. Moreover, a week ago, for a good measure, the list featured some truly harmless nuts who were advocating soy products in every meal. I actually do use tofu, miso, edamane, plus I read at occasion, so I fit that profile.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 10 2016 0:09 utc | 49

Sorry. The guys at are "preppers", not "peppers", but it is hard to type because I do not know how to switch off auto-correction. And they have an article why you should add peppers to every meal (to be better prepared?).

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 10 2016 0:12 utc | 50

jfl @49--

"the problem is that too many people are 'ok' with it. it pays - very well - to go along and get along."

Yes, those not being paid that are "'ok' with it" voted for HRC and are every bit as evil as she and they--my sister and brother-in-law included. Thank the stars for Rep. Gabbard's proposed legislation to--again--make it illegal for the federal government to support terrorists in which she specifically states the federal government is currently breaking domestic and international law thus making every taxpayer a supporter of terrorism and vindicating my decision to not do so for the past dozen years. Unfortunately as the many votes for HRC prove, there are far too many unprincipled, ignorant, evil, and/or lazy people supporting the Outlaws. It's rather similar in nature to those incapable of supporting b's fight with RT on the Principle of the matter.

Thanks for your reply! I was beginning to think my posts were invisible.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 10 2016 0:32 utc | 51

which news is fake?

a. Dozen dead as Turkish army shells north Syrian city

At least a dozen civilians have lost their lives when Turkish artillery units shelled the purported positions of the Takfiri Daesh terrorists and US-backed Kurdish forces in Syria’s troubled northern province of Aleppo.

The so-called Syrian Observatory for Human Rights reported on Friday that the projectiles slammed into a residential neighborhood in the city of al-Bab, located 30 kilometers south of the Turkish border and 40 kilometers northeast of Aleppo, claiming the lives of 12 civilians and leaving 10 others wounded.

b. US-led air raid in northern Syria kills 20 civilians: Report

Nearly two dozen civilians have lost their lives when the so-called anti-Daesh US-led coalition carried out an airstrike in Syria’s troubled and militant-held northern province of Raqqah.

The attack struck al-Msheirfeh region north of the provincial capital city of Raqqah, located about 160 kilometers east of Aleppo, on Thursday and claimed the lives of nearly 20 civilians, Syria’s official news agency SANA reported on Friday.

The report added that several people also sustained injuries in the blitz. The death toll is expected to rise as many of the wounded victims are in critical condition.

c. neither one is fake, they are both selections from among the endless stream of murder and mayhem authored by obama, the blairite/tory stream, hollande, merkel, netanyahoo, and the gcc - each is reported to bolster the narrative of one side or the other of the syrian holocaust.

it appears that the western terrorist 'coalition' has soured on erdogan-turkey - they'd prefer their kurdish client to his ottoman vision - so his mayhem and massacres are now reportable.

the iranian story is there to counter the western terrorist 'coalition' narrative of civilian deaths in aleppo.

every such selection is there to fake reality, is there to further an organizational point of view in its stead.

b, b'ing a lone individual - and not only b, thank goodness - directs his efforts to furthering the human point of view. to giving us just such an overview of the reportage of the interested parties and to relay what factual data he can discover himself.

thank you b. thanks to all the living, breathing, human individuals who have interest enough in our collective human affairs to take the time and expend the effort to help keep us all informed of the perfidy and machinations of 'our' institutions, and to point out what might be via implicit contrast with fake-reality ...

Posted by: jfl | Dec 10 2016 1:14 utc | 52

@51 karlof

i always read your posts. almost always agree. i suppose i should say so more often. will do so.

i haven't yet found the text of the Stop Arming Terrorists Act (SATA), but it sounds good. remains to be seen how the 'unprincipled, ignorant, evil, and/or lazy people' in congress respond to it. i have to admit that i don't expect much from either side of the war party coin. we'll see.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 10 2016 2:09 utc | 53

@ Bob #29
"I suspect they will explain the difference in the Aleppo numbers by claiming that Assad has "disappeared them". There is nothing they can't spin, no matter how ridiculous or evidence-free."

When I turned on AJ news this morning one of the teasers at the top of the news was exactly that,that thousands of military age males had disappeared after evacuation from Aleppo. According to AJ's insinuation they are being totrured and most likely in shallow graves or soon will be.
The weaselly little goebbels types at AJ news are playing it smart they haven't yet mentioned this as a solution to the discrepancy between the "hundreds of thousands" of trapped civilians and the much lower numbers of civilians being rescued by the Syrian Army, leaving that for viewers to conclude initially but I'm sure they will eventually.
We know that some of the younger blokes who surface out of Aleppo are likely to be encouraged to show their loyalty by joining the Syrian Army which is fair enough, young men in other parts of Syria (Sunni & Shia alike) made the sacrifice which freed these blokes from being hostage to terrorists, so it is incumbent upon them to return the favour for other families being held as shields to protect gangs of foreign mercenaries committing terrorism and shelling the citizens of free Aleppo.
I'm sure that the last couple weeks plus the years before living in a society where any dissent cultural as well as political meant death wasn't a picnic but that should motivate these blokes to do the right thing for other citizens still trapped by the jihadists.
Of course AJ News is going to claim these new recruits were press ganged but apart from the reality - that reluctant recruits make worse than useless soldiers it is vital that these young men are encouraged to feel a part of their nation and joining the army as a raw recruit will be an effective way of ridding them of any residual jihadism which any young person in their situation could have been seduced by.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Dec 10 2016 2:18 utc | 54

@4 piotr, 'Yemen does not need "help", it needs lifting of the maritime blockade and banking blockade (Yemenis are not allowed to pay for imported food through banks that use Federal Reserve (and Swift?) transfers, according to NYT, this is true even in the "liberated" southern Yemen).'

blockade. the yemen blockade, the palestinian blockade, the cuban blockade ... the 'free marketeers' have certainly but over a big one with their signature self-description, haven't they? could anything be more fake than the globalized narrative? yet they pop-up their latest meme on fake news and expect people to nod in agreement. this is the same crew that- by insisting on clinton - brought us the trump. everything they touch turns to dross.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 10 2016 2:50 utc | 55

Posted by: Debsisdead | Dec 9, 2016 9:18:41 PM | 54

Sounds nice but isn't. They run the danger of being preferred front line cannon fodder.

Posted by: somebody | Dec 10 2016 3:30 utc | 56


Hey, chipnik. So today I was coming back from the barn and 4 Apaches flew over looking very deadly and made me think how wonderful that I wasn't on the receiving end of their awesomeness. Then one rolled a bit and shed some ice shards. Beautiful really. Then wondering if I should take cover or get out the phone and shoot some photos. Imagined headlines "Man sliced to bits by Apache ice grenades" --- no, no, no --- but back OT, was amused by PBS radio with an interview claiming that liberated Allepian males were being disappeared by Syrian gov't forces. Hm, then the obligatory bit about how infamous the Syrian gov't had been for years locking up people for no reason as human rights violation. So according to US byline, mixed results for liberated Allepians.

Mixed Results

Posted by: stumpy | Dec 10 2016 3:55 utc | 57

> Lt. Lloyd Painter stated: “I saw a motor torpedo boat—plainly Israeli—machine gunning our life rafts.”

> The attack—that had lasted nearly two hours—finally ended and those still alive were out of danger, but help from the Sixth Fleet would not arrive for another sixteen hours. Thirty-four men died that day aboard Liberty and another one hundred seventy-one were injured. The life raft taken by the Israeli torpedo boat and the wheel of the torpedo boat that succeeded in hitting Liberty are on display at Israel’s National Maritime Museum in Haifa. In Israel, those who participated in the attack are celebrated as national heroes.

Posted by: mauisurfer | Dec 10 2016 4:45 utc | 58

b, Thanks for "The continued use of such false numbers and facts will lead to further deterioration of the trustworthiness of mainstream news and government institutions. In consequence the people will look, and vote, for outsiders to govern them. Radicals on the right of the political spectrum will gain more from this trend than the dispersed forces on the left.

"Those predictable consequence may be consistent with a general political plan."

A few weeks ago I posted this link to desired changes in our elections:

Posted by: Penelope | Dec 10 2016 4:55 utc | 59

Don't know why it posted; I wasn't ready.

No, we don't want to get rid of the Electoral College which ensures the importance of every State in Presidential elections. No, we don't want a Constitutional Convention, virtual or otherwise. We are proposing a simple piece of legislation. With insistence we can pass it. We want to make it easier for people to vote, and to make the system respond to their concerns. Enacting this program will return citizen control of our govt.

"4. Who Is Doing What? The bottom line is that no one is pursuing an integrated national electoral reform strategy. US Representative John Delaney (D-MD) with his Open Our Democracy Act, Christina Tobin of Free & Equal, Lawrence Lessig and his Citizen Equality Act, and Peter Ackerman with his effort to expand the debates are all noteworthy, but not integrative. Everyone else is doing what they can on single issues from ballot access to gerrymandering to getting money out of politics to opposing electronic devices proven to be enablers of fraud, but their efforts do not add up to a systemic whole. The table below lists a tiny fraction of the organizations that could be brought together in a National Electoral Reform Coalition that in turn attracts economic and social justice groups and others to this common cause – electoral reform is ROOT, without it, no issue will receive an honest complete hearing."

Take a look; his specific steps for election reform are pretty good.

Posted by: Penelope | Dec 10 2016 5:02 utc | 60

Speaking of numbers, have you'all seen the number who are willing to standup in S Korea against their version of PizzaGate-- or at least satanism? The story is blacked out here. But wall-to-wall S Koreans in the street, altho the President has already resigned. Now THERE is a people who know what outrage means.

Posted by: Penelope | Dec 10 2016 5:07 utc | 61

Wanted to post last nite about two concurrent developments, but alas got censored because of a unz review link..
Anyway, Russia is sending a batallion of Chechen military police to protect Rus assets on Syrian soil while Turkey sends a 300 strong commando of special forces to Euphrates Shield op.. I can only imagine Kadirov kicking wahabbi Chechen ass embedded in the "FSA"..

Posted by: Lozion | Dec 10 2016 5:19 utc | 62

@Debsisdead | 54
I saw the same. It is ludicrous.
All Tutkish news reports that I've seen are carrying the 50,000 dead ISIS story too this morning
The numbers are just made up.
I was talking to a Syrian friend from northern Aleppo about the numbers game only yesterday. He said that they are lies. He said that usually days before militias arrive, everyone in the town or village, or area receives the news and the vast majority flee to safer areas immediately. Sometimes older people stay to protect family property. No one else stays, he says.
The 300k / 150k in Aleppo has always been dodgy. Wasn't it Chulov that actually betrayed his own news outlet by tweeting the fact that no one remained in East Aleppo? Reported here as well, if I remember rightly.
Sadly, most people are quite content to swallow whatever lies they are fed as long as packaged in the right way!! (Brexit, Turkish Coup etc.). It is not correct to assume that everyone pursues the truth, unfortunately.

Posted by: AtaBrit | Dec 10 2016 5:22 utc | 63

The whole western MSM is one giant fake-news-creating machinery. I avoid it as a plaque.

Posted by: telescope | Dec 10 2016 5:49 utc | 64

@somebody #56 "They run the danger of being preferred front line cannon fodder."
That is possible but unlikely simply because the days of sending troops blindly "over the top" have gone in the ME. The Iran/Iraq conflict is probably the last example. Sides who want to win have learned to lead with skilled, experienced and committed soldiers - which is not to say that armies don't still occasionally use punishment platoons for mine clearing and the like, but in the main the the Aleppo residents chosen for the army will be chosen for their potential ability not their perceived flaws.
If they are smart the recruits will take the offer because lets be frank it is highly likely that most of those families who did stay right to the bitter end were sympathetic to al nusra etc. No matter what changes come to Syria's political structure once the al nusra mob have been defeated, those who stayed in Aleppo will cop the hairy eyeball from other Syrians unless they find a way to 'prove' their loyalty - that is the nature of humanity and one of many reasons why war should be avoided at all cost.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Dec 10 2016 6:15 utc | 65

Meantime fake islamists from ISIS have launched a powerful assault on Palmyra. Why? Because their hadlers from the CIA and Mossad want to delay Syrian victory over jihadists in Aleppo.

Posted by: blu55 | Dec 10 2016 7:05 utc | 66

Unusually detailed order of battle info on the Syrian Arab Army side in the siege of Aleppo at Long War Journal ("LWJ"). I'm not a fan of the LWJ folk's politics, but their info has checked out far too many times for me to ignore it.

Posted by: Paul E. Merrell, J.D. | Dec 10 2016 7:15 utc | 67

A lot of the vanishing men probably have joined idlib or the turkish controlled areas. There were some pics of shaved beards found in old aleppo over twitter yesterday

Posted by: mina | Dec 10 2016 8:36 utc | 68

As I posted on another site, one of the benefits of the PropOrNot list - so kindly published by the Washington Post - is that it now serves as a comprehensive index for those wanting to get a better grasp of what’s going on in the world. Thank you WaPo for letting everybody know where to find the real news.

Posted by: Bryan Hemming | Dec 10 2016 9:49 utc | 69

Female SSA soldiers holding the line in Homs.

Posted by: Wwinsti | Dec 10 2016 9:50 utc | 70

i picks up my 'paper' and what do i read at ...

Obama’s parting shot at Russia

The charge that Moscow sought to influence the US election was made in October by the US government, which has presented absolutely no evidence to back up its claims of Russian hacking.

Even if it were true, the “threshold” of interference in foreign elections was passed by Washington itself long ago. Over the last seven decades, the CIA has intervened on countless occasions to rig elections or overthrow elected officials seen as insufficiently loyal to the interests of US imperialism. Its public arm, the National Endowment for Democracy, has continued such operations from Georgia and Ukraine to Venezuela, Honduras and Haiti.

Obama has himself boasted that Washington has the greatest cyber war capabilities of any nation on the planet, and it has regularly employed them, while developing plans for disabling attacks against the civilian infrastructure of Russia, China and Iran. The United States has hacked the phones and emails of world leaders from German Chancellor Angela Merkel to former Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff.

What precisely is Russia accused of having done?

CIA Claims Russia Intervened to Get Trump Elected

Unnamed officials are saying that the CIA has issued a secret assessment claiming that Russia not only intervened in last month’s US presidential election, but did so explicitly to get President-elect Donald Trump elected

Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House

The CIA has concluded in a secret assessment that Russia intervened in the 2016 election to help Donald Trump win the presidency, rather than just to undermine confidence in the U.S. electoral system, according to officials briefed on the matter.

“It is the assessment of the intelligence community that Russia’s goal here was to favor one candidate over the other, to help Trump get elected,” said a senior U.S. official briefed on an intelligence presentation made to U.S. senators. “That’s the consensus view.”

Unpacking the New CIA Leak: Don’t Ignore the Aluminum Tube Footnote

consider this background. First, if Trump comes into office on the current trajectory, the US will let Russia help Bashar al-Assad stay in power, thwarting a 4-year effort on the part of the Saudis to remove him from power. It will also restructure the hierarchy of horrible human rights abusing allies the US has, with the Saudis losing out to other human rights abusers, potentially up to and including that other petrostate, Russia.

The CIA is institutionally quite close with the Saudis right now, and has been in charge of their covert war against Assad.

Some senior US official (often code for senior member of Congress) says this is the consensus view. Another senior US official (or maybe the very same one) says there are “minor disagreements.”

Remember: we went to war against Iraq, which turned out to have no WMD, in part because no one read the “minor disagreements” from a few agencies about some aluminum tubes. A number of Senators who didn’t read that footnote closely (and at least one that did) are involved in this story. What we’re being told is there are some aluminum tube type disagreements.

Transition statement on claims of foreign interference in US elections

These are the same people who said that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. ...

... i go along with the rump ransition ... these are well-known, habitual liars ... of the very worst sort (see karlof's link) ... the fake news Bezos blog has broken the story ... and the CIA is using this opportunity to try to stop 'presidential interference with its mission'. you'll remember what happened to jfk when he did that. i suppose this is just a shot across the incoming president's bow. cave now ... or you know what'll happen.

what needs to be investigated is the f*in' cia. in fact, the incoming president ought to skip that step, and just decommission the cia ... created by executive fiat it can be uncreated by executive fiat.

if the rump were to do that they would immediate rise immeasurably in americans' and the worlds' estimation.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 10 2016 10:24 utc | 71

an excellent observation on the bottom line of the fake news scam ...

Washington Post Issues Correction To “Fake News” Story

The current controversy is different. Many people in Washington are irate over Wikileaks — not because the email were untrue but because they proved what many had long suspected . . . that Washington is a highly corrupt place full of truly despicable people. For people who make their living on controlling media and information, it was akin to the barbarians breaching the walls of Rome. So the answer is to call for government regulation to combat what will be declared “fake” news or propaganda. It is only the latest effort to convince people to surrender their rights and actually embrace censorship.

... saw the link at SouthFront. well-documented, not stolen. link to what appears to be the site of an individual, following his nose.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 10 2016 10:40 utc | 72

While Russia wastes time on another ceasefire, the Turks change guards in Al-Bab, the USA prepares to take over Raqqah and ISIS decides to concentrate on taking Palmyra. Go figure.

P.S. What happened to the 250.000 civilians in Aleppo the "evil" Russians and Syrian government were starving out? Max. 30.000. Most Syrians left eastern Aleppo when the terrorists invaded and conquered it in 2012.

Posted by: redrooster | Dec 10 2016 11:06 utc | 73

Too many leaks at the same time drowned the leaks.
Why did the Guardian Le monde etc wait 3 years to publish yet another bunch of stories out of the Snowden papers? that includes papers on the fact that every head of state/PM etc in Africa was under heavy surveillance. Why the hell are there wars all over Africa then? not a question the MSM would like to ask.

Posted by: Mina | Dec 10 2016 12:25 utc | 74

Posted by: Uncoy | Dec 9, 2016 7:18:42 AM

"This is a much better and more important article than the geometry one and it's still far from your very best"

Hey even orgasm's have different degrees...........

Posted by: notlurking | Dec 10 2016 12:40 utc | 75

28;Lapham sounds just like all the other purists who hate America first and Donald Trump,who is the enemy of our MSM torturers,who of course are the enemy of humankind.
Choose your side carefully,and the latest garbage from our CIA,just further reveals that truth,they and zion are ours and Trumps mortal enemy.

Posted by: dahoit | Dec 10 2016 14:07 utc | 76

They reckon 50000 evacuated so far....

Posted by: dan | Dec 10 2016 14:20 utc | 77

If the new US SOF detachment will be operating with Turkey as reported, will they not be operating in Syria's western provinces rather than on the Raqqa axis ? This would be tantamount to begging the Russians for a fight -- major ugly hot war the likes of which not seen on this planet ever.

At the same time, a soft-coup (as described by ZeroHedge) is active against Trump's accession, indicating a very active incipient (covert and info stages) civil war.

Interesting times.

Posted by: Gladstone | Dec 10 2016 14:57 utc | 78

Syrian humor

Posted by: Mina | Dec 10 2016 16:12 utc | 79

There is no substitute for American leadership and "exceptionalism", so said General Flynn, Trumps National Security advisor, of course Obama felt American exceptionalism with every fibre of his being.What obnoxious and arrogant individuals these people are. Makes you want to support anyone who could teach these people a lesson, i.e. by smashing them in the mouth.

Posted by: harrylaw | Dec 10 2016 17:26 utc | 80

re: juan cole

today cole says

""So it was Clinton’s public persona and public positions that hurt her and depressed Democratic turnout in places like Detroit and Flint, not anything in Wikileaks (can anyone name even one newsworthy email?)"

so I answered his question on his blog:

yes i can name a newsworthy email, the one where the questions of the presidential debate
were leaked to Hillary, which proved to me that she is so corrupt

it is just like the 1959 scandal where Van Doren (the great NY writer/intellectual)
was given the answers to questions to quiz questions
it took Van Doren 49 years to admit the truth and apologize for it
he lost his job, and any/all prestige for his deceit
yet Clinton goes on with no apology and people are so ignorant she maintains her prestige with her followers
perhaps some day someone will make a movie about the Hillary scandal as Robert Redford did about Van Doren
perhaps Hillary will retire in self-imposed exile to Connecticut as did Van Doren, but I doubt that, too many wealthy sycophants still support her

and of course censored my answer to his question

Posted by: mauisurfer | Dec 10 2016 17:38 utc | 81

mauisurfer@83 Juan Cole does not like posters who disagree with his views on Syria. He thinks Assad is a war criminal and is always quoting the Qatari 'Caesar' propaganda and Photo fraud of tortured and killed Syrian prisoners. No doubt he has a wealth of knowledge on middle east affairs, unfortunately he has no common sense. Rather like Peter Tatchell who interrupted Jeremy Corbyn's speech, accusing him of not stopping the war in Syria and castigating him for his lack of leadership in standing up to Russia.Someone should have told him to take his protests to East Syria, where he would be flung off the top of a very tall building then beheaded.

Posted by: harrylaw | Dec 10 2016 18:13 utc | 82

Thanks Liebenshich
this is indeed a must read
just the 1st of the 6th pages explain why it can't be the russians

Posted by: Mina | Dec 10 2016 18:21 utc | 83

@85 Thousands of Syrians are leaving East Aleppo for food and medical attention already. The Russians and Syrian government are happy to provide.

Can't figure people like Tatchell at all. How are these 'air-drops' supposed to work? Either he is naive or he wants to see UK planes shot down.

Posted by: dh | Dec 10 2016 18:50 utc | 85

Speaking of lies, here is Russian MoD, once again, exposing b's lies about the population of Aleppo.

Posted by: tom | Dec 10 2016 19:35 utc | 86

Only an idiot or an agent can spin the words of the Pope as being against the alternative media, whereas the opposite is truth and consistent with his previous messages - the official lame-scream provides tabloidized, filthy "content" distorting the real news, turning it into a heap of puzzles for the confused audience.

Posted by: ProPeace | Dec 10 2016 21:28 utc | 87

Eva Bartlett and others speaking at the UN:

Permanent Mission of the Syrian Arab Republic to the UN - press conference

Posted by: iegee | Dec 11 2016 0:59 utc | 88

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