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December 15, 2016

The "Elite" Coup Of 2016

  • There is an "elite" coup attempt underway against the U.S. President-elect Trump.
  • The coup is orchestrated by the camp of Hillary Clinton in association with the CIA and neoconservative powers in Congress.
  • The plan is to use the CIA's "Russia made Trump the winner" nonsense to swing the electoral college against him. The case would then be bumped up to Congress. Major neocon and warmonger parts of the Republicans could then move the presidency to Clinton or, if that fails, put Trump's vice president-elect Mike Pence onto the throne. The regular bipartisan war business, which a Trump presidency threatens to interrupt, could continue.
  • Should the coup succeed violent insurrections in the United States are likely to ensue with unpredictable consequences.

The above theses are thus far only a general outlay. No general plan has been published. The scheme though is pretty obvious by now. However, the following contains some speculation.

The priority aim is to deny Trump the presidency. He is too independent and a danger for several power centers within the ruling U.S. power circles. The selection of Tillerson as new Secretary of State only reinforces this (Prediction: Bolton will not get the Deputy position.)  Tillerson is for profitable stability, not for regime change adventures. The institutional Trump enemies are:

  • The CIA which has become the Central Assassination Agency under the Bush and Obama administrations. Huge parts of its budgets depend on a continuation of the war on Syria and the drone assassination campaigns in Afghanistan, Pakistan and elsewhere. Trump's more isolationist policies would likely end these campaigns and the related budget troughs.
  • The weapons industry which could lose its enormous sales to its major customers in the Persian Gulf should a President Trump reduce U.S. interference in the Middle East and elsewhere.
  • The neoconservatives and Likudniks who want the U.S. as Israel's weapon to strong arm the Middle East to the Zionists' benefit.
  • The general war hawks, military and "humanitarian interventionists" to whom any reduction of the U.S. role as primary power in the world is anathema to their believes.

The current CIA director Brennan, a leading figure of the CIA torture program and Obama consigliere, is in the Clinton/anti-Trump camp. The former CIA heads Hayden and Panetta are public Clinton supporters as is torturer king and former CIA deputy director Michael Morell.

It is thereby no wonder that the CIA is leading the anti-Russian campaign. Its task now is to implant the idea in the U.S. public that Russian intervention skewed the U.S. election towards Trump. The purpose is the delegitimization of the Trump victory in the eyes of the media and public but even more so in the eyes of the electors within the electoral college.

The CIA is heavily supported by the same mainstream media that pushed for Clinton during the election. (These are, not by chance, also the same media that pushed the CIA's earlier "Saddam's Weapon of Mass Destruction" campaign.)

The Democratic partisan and Harvard law Professor Lawrence Lessig is pushing the electors and offers them free personal legal support. He says the electoral college vote is now close.

Could 37 Republican electors, put there by voters in their states to vote for Trump, be convinced to move from electing Trump to abstain or vote for someone else, Trump would miss the needed 270 votes. The whole election of the president would then by kicked up to the House of Representatives.

Should the electors vote for Trump there is still a possibility that members of the House and the Senate could officially question that vote and cause delays or Congressional probes and legal challenges.

Here are the detailed general proceedings and specifics for the electoral college as explained by the National Archives and Records Administration.

Though neoconservatives have no genuine support within the U.S. electorate they have a strong hold on significant parts of Congress and the relevant MSM commentariat. Many leading neoconservatives and war hawks like Robert Kagan, Max Boot and the Washington Post editorial board came out for Clinton during the campaign. Clinton even ran campaign advertisements with Republican Congress luminaries like Lindsay Graham, Sasse and Flake.

The House and the Senate majority may well be on the anti-Trump side if push comes to shove. But whatever the outcome there surely would be intense legal challenges and I expect the case to go up to the Supreme Court.

As an alternative to legal shenanigans Trump's inauguration could be delayed by Obama's order to the intelligence community to create a formal review of Russian intervention in the election by January 20. That is not by chance the official inauguration date! The selling point:

By ordering a “full review” of allegations of Russian into the 2016 election process, President Barack Obama is essentially asking the IC to make an analytical judgment about the validity of the election that will place Trump in the Oval Office.

A "compromise" in Congress could be to wait for the Intelligence Community's analysis and then discuss it before certifying Trump as president. That would end up with no result as National Intelligence Estimates are notoriously vague. Meanwhile the Vice President-elect would sit in as acting President:

If the President-elect fails to qualify before inauguration, Section 3 of the 20th Amendment states that the Vice President-elect will act as President until such a time as a President has qualified.

If the congressional or legal process around the Trump election gets delayed, that may be a state for a long time. The ruling Washington blob or borg could well live with an acting President Pence while Trump would have no official say in any government business. (Could Clinton then become acting VP or qualify as the new president?)

The media intervention on the anti-Trump side is heavy.

But first keep in mind that there is no public evidence, ZERO, that Russia indeed had anything to do with the DNC or Podesta or other leaks and the publication of emails by various outlets like Wikileaks.

Craig Murray assures us that he knows that these were not hacks but insider leaks and that he knows the leaker(s). Indeed he now tells us that the emails were handed over to him during a visits in Washington. Former intelligence officials including the technically very knowledgeable former NSA official William Binney concur that the hacking story is false.

All we have heard or seen so far are hearsay rumors and allegations of evidence. To me as experienced IT professional the case is technically laughable just as Murray explains here. If the claimed hacks occurred at all the alleged methods were so common that anybody could have done these. There is not even one claimed fact yet that is technically halfway acceptable as evidence that "Russia did it".

But still the NYT runs a big package of pieces telling us that "Russia did it" based on the non-factual CIA rumors and unprofessional IT assertions by Crowdstrike, the self-promoting IT security company the DNC hired and paid. Before that the Washington Post published major claims of Russian interference by anonymous officials. NBC News now tops that with "intelligence officials" saying Putin himself ran the hacking campaign. Authors of the story are the long time insider hacks Bill Arkin and Ken Dilanian known for clearing his stories with the CIA before publishing. The next story will tells us that Vladimir Valdimirovich himself was punching the keyboard.

Many news outlets and editorials follow these "leads".

Part of the scheme the Clinton campaign has worked out was explained by a former opposition research consultant to the Democratic National Council, the Ukrainian-American Alexandra (aka Andrea) Chalupa, in this thread:

Andrea Chalupa ‏@AndreaChalupa Dec 11

1.) Electoral College meets Dec. 19. If Electors ignore #StateOfEmergency we're in, & Trump gets elected, we can stop him Jan. 6 in Congress

2.) If any objections to Electoral College vote are made, they must be submitted in writing, signed by at least 1 House member & 1 Senator

3.) If objections are presented, House & Senate withdraw to their chambers to consider their merits under procedures set out in federal law.
...

Editorials and op-eds in the major papers are pushing the scheme along. Just for example from a long list A.J. Dionne in the Washington Post:

The CIA’s finding that Russia actively intervened in our election to make Trump president is an excellent reason for the electors to consider whether they should exercise their independent power. At the very least, they should be briefed on what the CIA knows, and in particular on whether there is any evidence that Trump or his lieutenants were engaged with Russia during the campaign.

The New York Times editorial laments about Trump ridiculing the CIA fairy tales it promotes.

Many people who have voted for Trump would be disgusted and outraged if or when Trump will be denied his office. Many of them are armed and would protest. Violence is ensured should the coup succeed.

Trump selected four former generals to joins his cabinet and staff. Should the troubles escalate we might be roughly in for a scenario as laid out in the 1992 military paper: The Origins of the American Military Coup of 2012 (pdf) by Charles J. Dunlap.

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Vladimir the Great was technically a Slavic Pagan. He did have a lot of concubines but he actually found Islam unattractive because of the ban on alcohol.

Posted by: dh | Dec 17 2016 0:59 utc | 201

Old wisdom requires a modern adaptation: hack their e-mails and forcibly convert to Western free market!

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 17 2016 1:02 utc | 202

@168 b, 'Clinton was a very safe bet for the Zionists - there was no reason to support Trump.'

right. but clinton lost. tee-rump is their man now. if there's one thing tee-rump understands ... it's go along to get along.

watching his cabinet filling up? his appointment of ambassador to israel?: who will 'strengthen the unbreakable bond between our two countries and advance the cause of peace within the region, and look forward to doing this from the US embassy in Israel's eternal capital, Jerusalem' ?

Posted by: jfl | Dec 17 2016 1:04 utc | 203

@206 “We’re taking the view that the Israelis have just as much of a right if [not] a much greater right to Judea and Samaria as the Palestinians,” Friedman said in a radio interview in November, using a Jewish religious name for the West Bank.

an attempt at 'we stole it fair and square'.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 17 2016 1:08 utc | 204

@206

watching his cabinet filling up? his appointment of ambassador to israel?: who will 'strengthen the unbreakable bond between our two countries and advance the cause of peace within the region, and look forward to doing this from the US embassy in Israel's eternal capital, Jerusalem' ?

Pass the barf bag; this sounds like Zionist/Neocon speak.

Posted by: Circe | Dec 17 2016 1:16 utc | 205


So, your theory is that "the elite" were to stupid to prevent his election, but are smart enough to keep him from assuming office. I wish that you were correct. But do you have any idea how stupid room temp IQ this concept is on its face. Almost as dumb as the obvious idea that sun goes around the earth. Which it does... Just go outside and look

Posted by: douglas nusbaum | Dec 17 2016 1:16 utc | 206

Obama's Russian False Flag will result into a coup. But you forget the ultimate reason why, which will crown all the manoevres you state: War on Russia. Indeed in order to avoid "violent insurrections" and the civil war likelihood, Obama (who will invoke exceptionalpowers), or anybody usurping power under the Congress cover, will launch war on Russia (to punish the manufactured cyber attacks, or by means of a provocation in either Syria or Ukraine). General mobilization, ultranationalist propaganda, military law, etc., should deter the protesters from going further. And the war party would have its war, as this is all it is about. And the Trump election has been obstacle, which is why it must be removed.
Or else the JFK method could be used to the same end.

Posted by: Enrique Ferro | Dec 17 2016 1:25 utc | 207

in fact when it comes to trump and zionists it's ironic that the greatest act of chutzpah of all - 9/11 - has opened the door to this back door run on the electoral college and tee-rump. this kind of move could never have been complicated prior to the USraeli Straussians' 'bold' move at the wtc. by now its become second nature. having got away with 9/11, they feel can get away with anything. and what's at stake hear, really, for the neo-cons? the strings in their hands rather than someone else's. the difference seen from the outside will require a forensic pathologist's microscope to be detected. they are really just insisting on being recognized - we all deny it, as part of the deal - as the king makers.

classic projection of one's faults/crimes on 'the enemy': it's not USrael that's openly suborned the American government ... it's Russia, in secret.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 17 2016 1:28 utc | 208

@Piotr Berman #205:

So if you are a stringent Polish Catholic or Southern Baptist, should you "assimilate"?

Polish Catholics and Southern Baptists are part of the general culture and society. Pennsylvania Dutch (of which there are many around where I live) are not, but they do not attack the mainstream culture. And none of those groups do things like this:

VIDEO: Mob chants ‘Muslim and proud’ in clash with Santa Monica street preacher

Report: 12-year-old planned two bomb attacks in German city of Ludwigshafen, targeting a Christmas market

Watch the video at the first link to see the hate in that girl's eyes. It is Islam that makes her hate. How can people assimilate in a society when they hate the people who make up that society?

Catholics, Baptists, and Pennsylvania Dutch do not try to get local customs, like Nativity displays, shut down because they find them "offensive". And since you are so sympathetic to Islam, maybe you can explain something to me. Why to Muslims find nativity displays offensive? Jesus is as special to Muslims as he is to Christians, because according to Islam, Jesus is the only human being who never died. (Muhammad died according to Islam, just like everyone else.) So why do they mind the celebration of Jesus' birth? It seems that the only reason they complain about them is because they want to attack Christians and impose their own fake religion upon us.

How well are you keeping abreast of what is going on in Poland, btw? As I recall, you live in the US.

Posted by: Adalbrand | Dec 17 2016 1:35 utc | 209

Hey b, here's your story on Global Research..

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-elite-coup-of-2016-against-us-president-elect-trump/5562712

Posted by: ben | Dec 17 2016 1:58 utc | 210

An excerpt from Glen Ford's Black Agenda Report..

"“Well, you know, people are looking for Russians, but what we had is a real Jim Crow election. Trump, for example, in Michigan, won by less than 11,000 votes. It looks like we had about 55,000 voters, mostly minorities, removed by this racist system called Crosscheck. In addition, you had a stoppage—even before the courts ordered the complete stop of the vote in Michigan, you had the Republican state officials completely sabotage the recount. They said, in Detroit, where there were 75,335 supposedly blank ballots for president—75,000—they said you can’t count 59 percent of the precincts, where most of the votes were missing. There were 87 machines in Detroit that were—that didn’t function. They were supposed to count about a thousand ballots each. You’re talking about a massive blockade of the black vote in Detroit and Flint, enough votes, undoubtedly, to overturn that election.”

http://blackagendareport.com/

Posted by: ben | Dec 17 2016 2:18 utc | 211

Trump as Sulla
Oh wait

Posted by: Jay M | Dec 17 2016 2:19 utc | 212

@dh #204:

Vladimir the Great was technically a Slavic Pagan. He did have a lot of concubines but he actually found Islam unattractive because of the ban on alcohol.

My mistake. I got the pre-Christian Russians confused with their later Mongol occupiers, who were Muslims. I shall have to read up on Vladimir, since I didn't know that he considered converting to Islam. What I learned in high school was that he wanted to convert to Catholicism, but Rome wasn't interested. So then he turned to the Eastern church. (My high school history was a Catholic, so maybe that account was tendentious.)

Rejecting a religion because it bans alcohol is a perfectly good reason. But there is a general principle involved here: law-based religions like Judaism and Islam are primitive. Christianity replaces the law with the gospel.

@Enrique Ferro #210:

Obama's Russian False Flag

There can't be a false flag if there was no flag to begin with. The emails were leaked, not hacked.

Posted by: Adalbrand | Dec 17 2016 2:25 utc | 213

@216 the conversion of the Kievan Rus was a slow process. It started with St. Andrew I believe but there were a lot of false steps along the way. Not sure why Vladimir finally chose Christianity. He did like a drink by all accounts.

Posted by: dh | Dec 17 2016 2:31 utc | 214

@215 jm, 'Trump as Sulla
Oh wait ...'

yeah, wait. wikipedia has Sulla aligned with the optimates against the populares. Trump would be Gaius Marius by that analogy, wouldn't he?

i'm always suspicious of people who cite Roman history, as though those were the good old days. it's imperialists, primarily, who seem to do so. the English with their 'Elgin marbles'. the southern slavers of the United States ... who in large part wrote the US constitution, didn't they?

i did enjoy Michael Parenti's The Assassination of Julius Caesar. A People's History of Ancient Rome, more for its background on the republic on the cusp of empire than for its story of the assassination itself ... all from an unorthodox point of view rather than that of the classicists. i had begun Howard Fast's Spartacus, but got sidetracked. i'll get back to it. thanks for the push in that direction ... willy nilly.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 17 2016 3:00 utc | 215

History 1000 years ago was written by monks, so the "primary texts" have a certain tendency. Christianity definitely was expanding when the leading Christian states were powerful. And in 10-th century both Germany (Roman Empire of German Nation) and Byzantium (another Roman Empire) were doing OK and ceased to be an easy prey for pagan riders. That motivated pagan princes to cement trade and diplomatic relationships, and to avoid being on the receiving end of crusades. If I recall, Bohemia was converted first, then Hungary, Poland, Rus and Scandinavian kingdoms. Southern Slavs were converted earlier, and they were in Byzantine zone of influence, and Rus obviously interacted with Byzantium much more than with Germany.

Khazars were an interesting case. They were kind of equidistant from Persia and Byzantium, so they could benefit from equitable trade relationships with both. Trade was important because circulation of prestige goods was cementing the relationship of the "central government" with local elites. And Jews had a trade network that could assure good access to both Persia and Byzantium (and Caucasus region; later, Khazar state have fallen, but their trade network in Black Sea/Caspian Sea region survived for a while, and some of those survivors joined Ashkenazi Jews, most of whom reached Germany from Italy and Gaul/France; ). However, converting to a state religion was also giving access to the exchange of princesses and alliances.

It is very clear from historical accounts that this series of conversion did not stem from the demands of "masses", it was purely an elite calculation.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 17 2016 3:30 utc | 216


Fernando @ 3, I agree something is up. I felt creeped-out as soon as I saw the MSM coverage. I just posted on today's thread (12/16) a 21st Century.com story about Daily Beast & CNN reporting that SAA is raping women & burning children alive in the streets. Same story: SAA has captured 10 NATO officers in E Aleppo headqtrs.

Only 3 possbilities occur to me to explain the further ratheting up of lies: 1. It's the prodrome of R2P intervention. 2. The oligarchs need martial law because too many people are waking up, and either going to war or the futile Trump election drama can serve as a pretext.

3. Both of these idiocies are a giant distraction from something we aren't seeing-- but WHAT? Does anybody know of something which would be getting top coverage, absent these 2 matters? I don't think it's the threatened censorship, but what could it be? Is there some movement against TPTB?

None of this is adding up-- truly creepy.

Posted by: Penelope | Dec 17 2016 3:30 utc | 217

I don't think Trump is a Russian agent and prefer him over Clinton. However, there is a certain poetic justice in this scam, given that Trump championed the birther movement against Obama.

Posted by: Edward | Dec 17 2016 3:32 utc | 218

@221 edward

yes indeed. the common sewer they all swim in.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 17 2016 3:40 utc | 219

Adalbrand asks why "Christan groups do not do things like this:"

"The main suspect of the Fort Pierce Islamic Center fire-bombing is, surprise, surprise, a Jew named Joseph Michael Schreiber. "

In few more minutes I could find Christian examples as well. Including some Sikhs killed because the ignorant Christians thought that they were Muslim. To borrow from "gun rights advocates": groups do not kill people, people do.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 17 2016 3:46 utc | 220

Douglas @ 209, You're right, it's not the case that TPTB couldn't control who was elected. I thought it obvious they were trying to elect him. If not, the media wd've given him no coverage. Plus, they wd've revealed something more damaging than his saying "pussy". Clearly they wanted him elected. Everything that we are now seeing is THEATRE. Either it's been preplanned for real (or simulated, made-for-TV) serious civil disturbance-- in which case there's another event to come. Or, this is an off-the-cuff distraction.

Probably the first. This is truly nerve-wracking.

Posted by: Penelope | Dec 17 2016 3:58 utc | 221

And the principle of religious freedom does not apply to Islam, since it is not a legitimate religion, but a Christian heresy.

Who, pray tell, legitimates religions?

And who legitimates the legitimator?

I prefer to see religions as evolving human traditions; traditions which often have as much diversity within each "category" as between categories.

But then, if one sees religions as a set of cold empty stone caskets inexplicably set beside one stone box brimming with life and aglow with the only true light in the world, one might see my viewpoint as illegitimate.

Posted by: Illegitimi non carborundum | Dec 17 2016 4:13 utc | 222

@168 b, 'Clinton was a very safe bet for the Zionists - there was no reason to support Trump.'

Of course there were reasons. You just need to observe how people arrive at supporting A or B. For example, they may find something soon heinous that they will not forgive it for the end of the person live. In her more innocent period, Hillary Clinton kissed Ruha Arafat when their husbands were negotiating in Camp David, something that was used for years in NYC tabloids to attack Hillary. Characteristically, rather than trying to build upon this progressive vignette, Hillary spend decades to undo this image. But she was never truly forgiven.

Another terrible sin of Hillary was that she joined Obama Administration after Obama made a pretense that he views Muslim in general, and Palestinians in particular as -- hear, hear! -- human beings. In other words, the crime of false moral equivalency. From that day onwards, Obama was rarely called Obama in comments in Israeli and Jewish newspapers. Obamibi, Ovambo, Barak Hussein Obama, anything but "Obama" or "President Obama". And Hillary joined that awful individual!

But, but... [you may ask] but she joined Obama to be a Zionist shill!!! How could Zionists find a fault in that? Well, this could suffice for semi-self-hating Jews like Haim Saban or Soros, or Labour MK's in Israel (or whatever current party harbors those semi-Jews), but a Jew truly proud of his/her Jewishness, a Jew reveling how much more Jewish he/she is than lesser Jews, would NEVER find that to be sufficient.

And there is a wider problem, namely, Clinton was on the Left. And he joined the Administration of crypto-Communist (and open Islamist) Barak Hussein Obama, which makes her a member of Hard Core Left, which in turn is a pillar of Anti-Jewish Conspiracy (Islamofascism being the second pillar). You (I mean, if you area Jew who is proud to be Jewish and strives to be even more Jewish) simply cannot ever trust such a person.

And Trump was never remotely connected with the Left, never kissed Ruha Arafat (he rented a house to Muammar Qaddafi, but that was in a process of trying to survive by making a buck), never liked Obama, never like ANY Muslim, why he hated Muslim so much that he even dislikes Mexicans who also start with M!

So if I were "America's Rabbi", my voting advise would be Trump. No doubt about it!

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 17 2016 4:17 utc | 223

@Illegitimi non carborundum #225:

And who legitimates the legitimator?

I prefer to see religions as evolving human traditions; traditions which often have as much diversity within each "category" as between categories.

Critical scholarship on Islam has only started fairly recently, whereas Christianity was subjected to it since the early 19th century. Christianity was able to withstand scholarly critique. From what I've read about Islam, Islam won't be able to. In other words, there is a rational form of Christianity, whereas Islam can only be dogmatic.

But I suppose I shouldn't make claims like this on public forums, since this is just a hunch I have at this point.

Posted by: Adalbrand | Dec 17 2016 4:34 utc | 224

The truth is that for decades, the U.S. medical establishment performed open heart surgeries on infants without pain killing medicine. Imagine having your chest cracked open without anesthesia.

Posted by: Morongobill | Dec 17 2016 5:15 utc | 225

Posted by: Morongobill | Dec 17, 2016 12:15:18 AM | 228

I don't believe that. But I'm not a medico. However, if it's true then I'm very confident that there would be a persuasive, documented reason for adopting such a policy in specified circumstances.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 17 2016 5:27 utc | 226

Re comments about islam, i.e.,
"Islam can only be dogmatic"
If ever I read a dogmatic comment, that's it. Dogmatism grounded in ignorance.
Here is a good place for you to start your education about Islam and its relevance to current events:
http://www.williampolk.com/assets/under-the-banner-of-religion.pdf
Polk is retired now, in France, a descendant of USA President, a scholar, and adviser to USA including JFK during Cuban missile crisis. He speaks arabic fluently, and even composes poetry in arabic. He knows/knew virtually every leader in mideast. He is as fine a writer as I have ever read.
There are many more articles here:
http://www.williampolk.com/articles.html
And if you sincerely want to educate yourself, you can read his books too.

Posted by: mauisurfer | Dec 17 2016 6:24 utc | 227

What is it with all the Islamophilia, even on blogs where people have otherwise sophisticated views? What do I care about some unpublished manuscript by someone who obviously has no training in the field?

Here is are good places for you to start your education about Islam and its relevance to current events:

Robert Spencer, Did Muhammad Exist?: An Inquiry into Islam's Obscure Origins

Gabriel Said Reynolds, The Emergence of Islam: Classical Tradtion in Contemporary Perspective

Posted by: Adalbrand | Dec 17 2016 7:19 utc | 228

Re: Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 17, 2016 12:27:18 AM | 229

Hoarsewhisperer - are you Melbourne, Sydney or elsewhere?

I am Melbourne. Would love to pick your brain on the state of the world if you are as well.

Posted by: Julian | Dec 17 2016 8:39 utc | 229

@jfl 75 - '28 years of misrule'
@chipnik 107 - 'four buildings with two planes, baby!!'

Cant argue with the aftershock those numbers in US history. Definitely up there with Dallas 1963. And of course the mighty Centurion from 1913.

If The Don is truly an America 1st'er, he'll be acutely aware of the difference between a greenback and a US Treasury note.

Posted by: MadMax2 | Dec 17 2016 9:33 utc | 230

Posted by: jfl | Dec 16, 2016 8:08:43 PM | 207

It is the one state solution.

Posted by: somebody | Dec 17 2016 9:34 utc | 231

@231 demian, 'What do I care about some unpublished manuscript by someone who obviously has no training in the field?'

and what do we care for the opinions of some smarmy bigot with his hymns to kultur kampf to sing?

it's obvious that you have estensive training 'in the field', and i sometimes wish you'd go back out there and root around, and leave the rest of us in peace.

@230 mauisurfer

thanks for the link to my little shelf of, William R Polk. You've cast your pearls before swine with demian.

Polk seems essentially an establishmentarian, but he's an honest, discerning, and broadly educated man.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 17 2016 10:04 utc | 232

Douglas Nusbaum@209 "So, your theory is that "the elite" were to stupid to prevent his election, but are smart enough to keep him from assuming office." That is a very clear, concise and correct summation of the post's thesis.

Penelpe @224 "You're right, it's not the case that TPTB couldn't control who was elected. I thought it obvious they were trying to elect him. If not, the media wd've given him no coverage. Plus, they wd've revealed something more damaging than his saying 'pussy.'"

If by "them" you mean the owners who aren't personal rivals (like the Kochs) and those generals who hadn't already committed to Clinton, oh yes. It's always amazed me that people don't get that for the owners political donations to politicians like the Clintons isn't a freely chosen investment. They think of it as extortion by goddamned politicians using the rabble as clubs. Campaigning against "politics" (and the press too) is being for leaving everything to the people who really have a stake, the owners...and leaving the rest of us out of the negotiations.

Posted by: s | Dec 17 2016 16:19 utc | 233

Not going to happen Trump will be the next President and unlike the Republicans if the roles were reversed they would be filing lawsuits, holding protests to block the Electors from voting, demanding a re-vote, etc etc etc. The Democrats will roll over and play dead and the Republicans Wing of the Democratic Party (Blue Dogs, New Dems, 3rd Way) would side with the Republicans even if a few of them grew a set!

Posted by: Garry | Dec 17 2016 16:51 utc | 234

First off;Deep State=Zion.
Circe,your hysteria is funny.Trump had the whole(has)ZNN arrayed against him,from Russian love to antisemitism,he is portrayed as a threat to the status quo of zion uber alles.Why would the zionists let their american brothers in lies spew wo the Israelis permission?No way no how.Does it mean Trump is anti Israel?No,I'm sure he sees them as a powerful bloc to massage in ending the impasse of I-P,the biggest mother lode of American hatred on this planet.Friedman,yes,is a zionis=t,but did you think Zogby would have been appointed.Friedman acaqn't be any more rabid than Indyk or all the other previous appointments.Like I said,a peace offering?
They are mulling the offer i imagine,but as of this moment,the hydrophobia continues from zion.
And the choices for his cabinet;Every one of the idiots from the shrubs regime have so far been rejected,his choices as far as international picks are all nationalists,hallelujah,and Rudy,Christie,Mitt and the other retreads that you and others emote about are all in the dust.Stop enforcing serial liar postulations,that are only intended as divide and conquer.
And the Hell Bitches recent complaints will make Donald rethink his benevolent off the hook talk.
And I wish Michelle 0 would shut up already,as she is starting to be a real asshole with her Trump bashing.I've never seen such ridiculous stupidity and off her reservation spewage from a F.L. before.
And I wouldn't get in an argument with Lysias.I find him pretty accurate over historical knowledge,and yes,Lincoln did push the Souths buttons,but the end result was worth it,one nation,which before zion,was indivisible post CW.(at least in accepting POTUS results)

Posted by: dahoit | Dec 17 2016 16:59 utc | 235

A question has arisen concerning the baptism of Russia. As there are a number of comments concerning this topic here, (which I guess could be also considered an 'elite coup' of a religious nature), I will recommend the full account given at orthodoxwiki.org. Most would have heard the tale of Vladimir sending envoys to different faiths as well as to Constantinople, but the story begins further back and extends onward as well. [To access, the link is "Christianization of Kievan Rus'"

Here is the followon from the above:

"...In the Primary Chronicle, the account of Vladimir's baptism is preceded by the so-called Korsun' Legend. According to this apocryphal story, in 988 Vladimir captured the Greek town of Korsun' (Chersonesos) in Crimea, highly important commercially and politically. This campaign may have been dictated by his wish to secure the benefits promised to him by Basil II, when he had asked for the Rus' assistance against Phocas. In recompense for the evacuation of Chersonesos, Vladimir was promised the hand of the emperor's sister, Anna Porphyrogeneta. Prior to the wedding, Vladimir was baptized (either in Chersonesos or in Kiev), taking the Christian name of Basil out of compliment to his imperial brother-in-law. The sacrament was followed by his marriage with the Greek princess.

Baptism of Kiev
Returning to Kiev in triumph, Vladimir exhorted the residents of his capital to the Dnieper river for baptism. This mass baptism became the iconic inaugural event in the Christianization of the state of Kievan Rus'.

At first Vladimir baptised his 12 sons and many boyars. He destroyed the wooden statues of Slavic pagan gods (which he had himself raised just eight years earlier). They were either burnt or hacked into pieces, and the statue of Perun — the supreme god — was thrown into the Dnieper. Then he sent a message to all residents of Kiev, "rich, and poor, and beggars, and slaves", to come to the river on the following day, lest they risk becoming the "prince's enemies". Large number of people came; some even brought infants with them. They were sent into the water while Orthodox priests, who came from Chersonesos for the occasion, prayed.

To commemorate the event, Vladimir built the first stone church of Kievan Rus', called the Church of the Tithes, where his body and the body of his new wife were to repose. Another church was built on top of the hill where pagan statues stood before. "

Posted by: juliania | Dec 17 2016 17:33 utc | 236

@juliania #239:

Thank you so much. I forgot about that Wiki. Of course that is the first place to look.

Christianization of Kievan Rus'

Are you a member of the #SlavRight by any chance? I know that you're an Anglo-Saxon from America living in Oceania who converted to Russian Orthodoxy, but doesn't converting to Russian Orthodoxy make you an honorary Slav?

Posted by: Adalbrand | Dec 17 2016 19:03 utc | 237

Adalbrand
thanks for the tip, i thought that MoA formatting would not accept anything "embedded"
I don't understand why ppl have problems with link (on another thread, posted with another machine): i tried to view it with ffx and chrome and had no pb

Posted by: Mina | Dec 17 2016 19:33 utc | 238

@Mina #241:

I can't say why that works for me but not for you.

I don't really have problems with links. It's more of an aesthetic thing.

Posted by: Adalbrand | Dec 17 2016 19:47 utc | 239

Wow. Demian finally showing his arse, posting links to an author sponsored by Horowitz's "Jihad Watch".

What absolute filth.

Posted by: sejomoje | Dec 17 2016 20:35 utc | 240

@ Penelope | Dec 16, 2016 10:30:08 PM | 220

Media ratcheting up the hysteria in an effort to keep their ratings and affinity scores with their paymasters. Reports out of sync with more local ME sources as far as timing of green buses and murky pieces on SAA alleged atrocities. USA is too complacent to go back the duck and cover days, methinks. Thus the media looking stupid for lack of traction. Possibly just a diversion, Syria and Russia just too much to hold in the average consumer's mind. Christmas season, after all.

For something to ponder, last night I uncovered a tidbit about who the energy corporations supported the most in the 2016 election, Jeb Bush. The real Neocons moving in to reclaim territory mucked up by the neo-neocons? Thus Tillerson and Russia/Japan relations coming around?

I am also keeping an eye on Venezuela and drug trafficking that may flow from, say, Afghanistan, through So. America into US markets. No one paying attention to war on drugs atm, but more kids die from heroin overdose than terrorist attack or botched kidnapping á la Somalia. Taliban cash flow, or whoever's cash flow. Sorry for the OT, but you're right, need to keep 360 degree vision.

Posted by: stumpy | Dec 17 2016 20:36 utc | 241

stumpy at 247
most of the opium from afghanistan goes to Europe

"Under the rule of the youngest brother of president Hamid Karzaï, Afghanistan became the first world producer of opium poppies transformed in heroin locally and transported by the US Air force to Camp Bondsteed (Kosovo). There, the men of Hacim Thaci take charge of the drug and distribute it mainly in Europe and accessorily in the United States. The benefits are used to finance the illegal operations of the CIA. Karzai and Thaci are longstanding personal friends of Bernard Kouchner who undoubtedly ignores their criminal activities in spite of all the international reports which have been dedicated to them."
read Thierry Meyssan,
Operation Sarkozy: how the CIA placed one of its agents at the presidency of the French Republic
http://www.voltairenet.org/article157821.html
also available here
https://redice.tv/news/operation-sarkozy

Posted by: mauisurfer | Dec 17 2016 23:38 utc | 242

Do I understand correctly that the "hacking of the election" amounts to the DNC and Podesta email leaks? I need a firm starting point to being understanding how the media went from 0-120 mph on the "russia stole the election" mindset.

Posted by: G.A. Couthon | Dec 18 2016 3:34 utc | 243

In his most recent piece Meyssan paints rather rosy picture of Trump. I would like to know how has the president-elect been responding to tough questions and criticism from the public (including honest journos)...?

Communication - according to President Trump, by Thierry Meyssan


Our site, Voltairenet.org, has been proving for a long time that it is possible to communicate on political subjects without having to suffer the anathema of the major medias, Donald Trump has now taken the road we opened and that many others have also taken. If you want news about the next US administration, don’t read the New York Times, which wastes its time with caricatures, but Internet sites like Breitbart.com. The President no longer answers questions from the grand Press, but communicates on twitter.com/realdonaldtrump.

The rules governing modern political communication were imposed by the United States, which until now were dominated by the Puritan ideology (politically correct expressions, public apologies for faults passing for absolution, belief in having been chosen by God to enlighten the world, separation between the WASPs and the minorities, belief in wealth as a gift from God to those who serve Him, etc.). By overthrowing the Puritan ideology embodied by Washington in general and the Clinton dynasty in particular, Donald Trump has also put an end to the current rules of political communication.

He did not base his electoral campaign on grand shows, part-entertainment, part-politics. While his competitors paraded on stage with show-business stars, gobbling up colossal budgets, he concentrated on his message and spent 10 times less than others.

Considering that the medias were generally hostile to him, he gave them almost no interviews, and in each of his meetings, never ceased from denouncing their predjudice. His spokeswoman never tried to seduce the journalists, but on the contrary, relied on anti-establishment Internet sites, whether they had a public or not – his campaign director himself runs one of these sites, Breitbart.com.

Aiming his campaign against the political class in Washington, he did not rent auditorium space there, but stayed at home in Trump Tower, New York. Faithful to his own logic, he also rented no space in Washington to set up his transition team. Consequently, while the Obama administration handles current affairs from Washington, the future is being decided from New York.

Once elected, he gave no Press conference, and no interviews, but addressed US citizens directly via Twitter and YouTube. This is the first time that a head of state has addressed his people in this way, by short-circuiting the major medias.

As if the electoral campaign was not over, he undertook a thank-you tour of new meetings, which the Press has avoided mentioning. In his speeches, he first of all thanked the electors from the minority groups (women, Hispanics, Afro-Americans and gays) who voted for him depite the racist image that the major medias had tried to stick him with. He repeated his message, not against the elites, but against the methods they have adopted in Washington and the Puritan ideology that they incarnate. Finally, he announced his first decisions. In matters of foreign policy, he confirmed that he will end the Trans-Pacific Treaty which was concluded to the detriment of China; end the policies of régime change (including Syria); wherever possible, replace the current confrontations (including Russia) with cooperation; and reform the secret services, whose unique function today is to assassinate third-world leaders.

In days gone by, the Presidential Press enjoyed comfortable offices in the White House and decided on the themes that were to be discussed. Today, most of its members have deserted Washington, and wait all day at the foot of Trump Tower until «the» Donald feels like coming down, accompanying one of his guests to his car, dropping a few comments on his way.

The major medias, both written and audio-visual, persist in mocking the President-elect, accusing him of incompetence and extremism, but he doesn’t care. He has succeeded in climbing over their heads and now communicates directly with his compatriots.

Posted by: ProPeace | Dec 18 2016 3:52 utc | 244

Those celebrities desperately calling in the video "A Message for Electors to Unite For America" for overthrowing legally and democratically elected president seems like a really pathetic, yet traitorous attempt. It should be thoroughly investigated if those shills and minions for the current status quo based on imperial "blood economy" controlled by the City of London Crown Corporation were bribed or blackmailed to lower themselves to such a disgusting campaign. Maybe the #PizzaGate scared them that the truth about the pedophilia and satanism in the core Hollyweird circles will finally see the light of the day ? Previous voices about that urgent issues like that of Corey Feldman, Elijah Wood, or other were squashed. It seems that the recent scandals in Norway, in Brutish football schools are just the tip of the iceberg. Unfortunately the BBC Panorama documentary about VIP Pedophiles seems to be just a cover up, like almost all related police investigations (Westminster, Orney, Elms guest House). Were the Cook Report, RAINS set up to fail and discredit the idea of world-wide elitist Satanic Ritual Abuse ?

It's quite astonishing how the new censorship of the Internet has been pushed - please try searching the term "vladimir bukovski pedophile" with Google and compare it with Yandex. It's quite remarkable that the top result with google points to FB page "fighting against Russian 5th column"! (depending on your country). That's because Bukovsky claims that the child porn on his computer was - of course - planted by the FSB! It's truly remarkable with what kind of defense for that pervert comes his Jewish friend Yudkowsky on Fecesbrook:


When you indulge in moral panic about child pornography, you're helping Putin spread fascism and take down human rights activists around the world

One should not be suprised actually, given that Soros backed group partners with Facebook to take down alt-media.

Regarding the US elections: didn't the 1952 US Supreme Court ruling in Ray v. Blair rejected the argument that the US Constitution’s 12th Amendment demands absolute freedom for the Elector to vote his own choice ?

Aren't the attempts to subvert Trumps confirmation and inauguration US federal crimes that violate The Presidential Transition Act of 1963 that declared the national interest of the US requires orderly presidential transitions and that “any disruption in a transition could produce results detrimental to the safety and well-being of the United States and its people” ?

Weren't the claims about the "Russian hack" refuted by US Superior Court Judge Andrew Napolitano when he revealed that his sources inside the US intelligence community are adamant that insiders leaked these damning emails to Wikileaks, and that neither President Putin or Russia had anything to do with it ?

Maybe one of the ‘disgusted’ Democratic Party whistleblowers who met with Ambassador Murray to transfer Clinton’s emails to Wikileaks was top Democratic Party operative Seth Rich—who, probably assassinated by a Hillary Clinton “hit team”, and that Wikileaks has offered a $20,000 reward to find the murderers ?

Why has the CIA refused to present "the evidence" before the Congress?

The whole fake "hack" issue stinks to high heaven...

Posted by: ProPeace | Dec 18 2016 5:49 utc | 245

DAMASCUS – According to two reports coming out of Aleppo today, at least 14 US Coalition military officers were captured this morning in an East Aleppo bunker by Syrian Special Forces.

This story was quietly leaked by Voltaire.net, who announced, “The Security Council is sitting in private on Friday, December 16, 2016, at 17:00 GMT, while NATO officers were arrested this morning by the Syrian Special Forces in a bunker in East Aleppo.”

Fares Shehabi MP, a prominent Syrian Parliamentarian and head of Aleppo’s Chamber of Commerce published the names of the Coalition officers on his Facebook page on the 15th December (emphasis added):

Mutaz Kanoğlu – Turkey
David Scott Winer – USA
David Shlomo Aram – Israel
Muhamad Tamimi – Qatar
Muhamad Ahmad Assabian – Saudi
Abd-el-Menham Fahd al Harij – Saudi
Islam Salam Ezzahran Al Hajlan – Saudi
Ahmed Ben Naoufel Al Darij – Saudi
Muhamad Hassan Al Sabihi – Saudi
Hamad Fahad Al Dousri – Saudi
Amjad Qassem Al Tiraoui – Jordan
Qassem Saad Al Shamry – Saudi
Ayman Qassem Al Thahalbi – Saudi
Mohamed Ech-Chafihi El Idrissi – Moroccan

Listen to Fares Shehabi’s interview on the Sunday Wire radio show: ‘Liberation Aleppo‘

In addition to Voltaire.net, the other original report was provided by Damascus-based Syrian journalist Said Hilal Alcharifi. According to Alcharifi, captured “NATO” officers were from a number of member states including the US, France, Germany and Turkey, as well as Israel. Here is his statement (translated from French):

“Thanks to information received, Syrian authorities discovered the headquarters of high ranking western/NATO officers in the basement of an area in East Aleppo and have captured them alive. Some names have already been given to Syrian journalists, myself included. The nationalities are US, French, British, German, Israeli, Turkish, Saudi, Moroccan, Qatari etc. In light of their nationalities and their rank, I assure you that the Syrian government have a very important catch, which should enable them to direct negotiations with the countries that have tried to destroy them.”

Although these initial reports describe the individuals in question as “NATO” officers, it’s unlikely they would have been carrying NATO colors on a covert operation – and might be more accurately labeled as US Coalition officers. Note that early reports suggest that these are not standard ‘street rebel’ or jihadi terrorists but actual Coalition military personnel and field commanders.

21WIRE also received unconfirmed reports yesterday that militants had fired a missile into the Ramousa area and then tried, unsuccessfully, to get cars out of East Aleppo. It’s possible this incident could be related to today reports of captured western operatives.

This report from the Syrian Arab News Agency (emphasis added):

“The agreement on evacuating militants and weapons from the eastern neighborhoods of Aleppo city has been suspended after terrorist groups breached it, special sources told SANA correspondent in Aleppo.

The sources said that the suspension of the agreement will remain in place until obtaining guarantees that oblige the terrorist groups to abide by all the agreement’s provisions, stressing on the Syrian side’s full adherence to the agreement and its keenness to end the bloodshed and restore security and stability to the entire city of Aleppo.”

Earlier, SANA reporter said that the terrorist groups have breached the agreement as they smuggled heavy weapons, including TOW missiles, heavy machineguns and kidnapped people via the buses and cars transporting terrorists and their families towards the southwestern countryside of Aleppo city.

The reporter added that the terrorist groups fired shells and sniper bullets on the buses and ambulances at al-Ramousseh crossing, noting that the Syrian Arab Red Crescent (SARC) and the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) which are supervising the evacuation process had to withdraw all buses and cars from the crossing.

Over the past 24 hours, some 8079 terrorists and members of their families were evacuated via busses and ambulances from the neighborhoods of Salah-Eddin, al-Ansari, al-Mashhad and al-Zibdiyeh to the southwest countryside of Aleppo city”

If true, this latest news would also mean that both the Syrian and Russian governments would have additional leverage going forward in any bilateral negotiations with the US-led Coalition.

If, however, this story is kept under wraps by NATO member governments and summarily blacked out by the US and European media outlets, then it might indicate that a deal has been struck, albeit behind the scenes, for the return of captured NATO operatives in exchange for other concessions.

If today’s report from East Aleppo is accurate, this might also help explain the hysterical behavior by the US State Department and western UN officials who have been demanding “an immediate ceasefire” – despite the fact that 99% of East Aleppo has already been liberated by Syrian government forces.

The western establishment hysterical reactions to Al Nusra’s defeat in Aleppo have included wild claims that the Syrian Army had ‘unleashed death squads,’ on its own residents in East Aleppo and were openly ‘executing women and children in the street,’ and ‘burning children in the street,’ as well what appear to be more fictional reports circulated in US media mainly by Michael Weiss of The Daily Beast via CNN, claiming that Syrian Army was committing “mass rape” against residents of East Aleppo. His article entitled, “Women in Aleppo Choose Suicide Over Rape, Rebels Report,“ made a number of outlandish claims including:

“Activists and rebels in the besieged city say mass executions have begun and children are burned alive as Assad’s Iranian- and Russian-backed forces move in.”

Not surprisingly, aside from unnamed “UN sources”, Weiss claims to have received his information from none other than the discredited US and UK-financed pseudo ‘NGO’ known as the White Helmets.


http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/12/16/reports-at-least-10-nato-military-officers-captured-by-syrian-special-forces-this-morning-in-east-aleppo-bunker/


Posted by: mauisurfer | Dec 18 2016 6:37 utc | 246

Also this: Threatening Electors Violates Federal Law

Report: Romney's Refusal to Apologize to Trump Cost Him Secretary of State Job

Nato vs Russia: US sends 1,600 tanks to Netherlands as Nato's presence in Europe hits high

Corporate Media Fake News Gets Fact Checked By Reality

Media Ignores US Rigging of Russia's Elections As CIA Struggles to Prove Russian Hacking


Mainstream, corporate media and the U.S. political establishment has once again proved the depth of their hypocrisy in thus far unsubstantiated claims Russia directly interfered with the presidential election — because the United States has done so, itself, with multiple countries.

Including Russia.

Twenty years ago, TIME Magazine exclusively reported on the feats of American political consultants who’d managed — much to the joy of the United States government — to ensure Boris Yeltsin won re-election to the Russian presidency.

20 years ago, TIME praised America’s propaganda campaign to elect Yeltsin. Today, they have appeared to change their tone.

Posted by: ProPeace | Dec 18 2016 10:53 utc | 247

Paul Craig Roberts cites Moon of Alabama, saying "the article is a documented and accurate description of a coup that is underway." More worrisome, he believes the coup is serious and may succeed.

A CIA-led Coup Against American Democracy Is Unfolding Before Our Eyes — Paul Craig Roberts

Will the coup succeed?

In my opinion, former and present members of the US government and the media would not dare to so obviously and openly participate in a coup against democracy and an elected president unless they expect the coup to succeed.

It is an easy matter for the ruling interests to bribe electors to vote differently than their states. The cost of the bribes is miniscule compared to the wealth and income streams that a trillion dollar annual budget provides to the military/security complex. The fake news of a Putin/Trump election-stealing plot generated by unsupported allegations of present and former members of US intelligence, the lame-duck President Obama, and the presstitute media provide the cover for electors to break with precedent “in order to save America from a Russian stooge.”

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Dec 18 2016 12:06 utc | 248

just hours ago (16 December in US) the United States District Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit in the State of Colorado threw out the last challenge [Case No. 16-1482] to President-elect Trump’s victory by stating that the Electors suing to stop Trump from becoming president failed to point to specific provisions of the US Constitution that supported their argument.

This Tenth Circuit decision backing President-elect Trump followed Friday’s earlier US Federal Court ruling in California where US Federal District Judge Edward Davila, likewise, threw out a Hillary Clinton backed lawsuit [Case No. 5:16-cv-07069-EJD] seeking to sow Electoral College chaos

Coinciding with the US Federal Court in California throwing out the Hillary Clinton backed lawsuit to overthrow President-elect Trump US Federal District Court Judge Timothy Burgess in Alaska, likewise, tossed out a last minute attempt yesterday to cause Electoral College chaos by stating that this process “is spelled out in the U.S. Constitution”—and that was preceded by US Federal District Judge Wiley Y. Daniel in Colorado doing the same thing, and US District Judge James L. Robart in Washington rejecting Hillary Clinton’s Electoral College coup attempt too.

In the US Federal Courts of the States of Alaska, California, Colorado and Washington complete smashing of Hillary Clinton’s attempt to overthrow President-elect Trump, as well as the State Supreme Court of Colorado these American jurists have laid bare the lie being spread by what is called the Hamilton Electors who say that the 538 members of the Electoral College are able to substitute their will over that of the over 100 million citizens of their country who voted for whom they wanted to be their next president.

The main goal of these Hilary Clinton backed and supported Hamilton Electors is to get 37 Republican Party Electors to violate their sworn legally binding oath to vote on 19 December for President-elect Trump and, instead, vote for Clinton (or someone else)—but that has, so far, only gained one “Faithless Elector” named Christopher Suprun, from Texas, who is, shamefully, soon to be under FBI investigation as a “stolen valor” criminal for his lies saying he was a 9/11 hero, when documents and records show he wasn’t even near New York City on that most fateful day when thousands of real American hero’s lost their lives.

Most astounding to note, however, about these US Federal and State Supreme Courts all throwing out Hillary Clinton’s attempts to overthrow President-elect Trump by subverting the Electoral College is that this nations mainstream propaganda media (who all colluded with Clinton to get her elected) has yet to inform the American people about it—choosing, instead, to continue publishing fake news stories in order to deceive the American people.

Even worse any US alternative news site attempting to tell the American people the truth about what is really happening are now being met with the most restrictive censorship regime ever instituted in that once free nation—and that now includes Facebook (where 44% of Americans get their news) branding all news articles about Hillary Clinton’s total defeat in these Federal and State Courts as “fake news”.

And in what can only be described as one of the most farcical ironies ever foisted upon the American people Facebook’s determination of what is to be labeled as “fake news” has been handed over to the billionaire Hillary Clinton supporter George Soros whose leftist Moveon.org forces have vowed to destroy President-elect Trump at all costs—and have, also, previously admitted that their main goal is to destroy all of Americas alternative news media sites forever. [SF]

Posted by: ProPeace | Dec 18 2016 13:42 utc | 249

mina, thx for the link, will listen. Circe, me “Trump will make those compromises.” I guess I meant that some ppl expect far bigger changes (or less compromise) than what we will see take place. As for Zionism, later.

Incidentally, Russophobia has been prevalent among progressives for a lonrg time. - adalbrand at 187.

I was going to mention it but refrained.

Yes, and the russophobia or folly seems to rest on two main pillars, which are not the historical ones of Empire, religion, or political ideology (communism, post-communism, role of the State, etc.),

a) social libertarianism, ‘equality’, etc. gay parades as you mentioned, etc. Russia is a of course an extremely poor choice as a contrast to the USA, as women do extremely well there (better than in the US in some ways), abortion is on demand, gays can be gay, religion is free, it is a huge multi-ethnic country, etc. Russia serves to draw attention away from Saudi Arabia (as the prime example), which again goes to show that the ‘deluded dems’ are not in fact adhering to any principles or an agenda focussed on what one might call some view of ‘human rights’, or ‘individual status which must be free from discrimination’ and so on.

b) Russia as a ‘bully’, ‘invader’, ‘controller’ of ‘smaller, weaker’ territories, such as Crimea, Ukraine, Poland, Moldova, etc. Or Yugoslavia, recall, that was a Clinton caper. Ukraine - Obama. Imho, this aspect is not even really sui generis but heavily influenced by expat communities, who are ready to go along with US agression and spur it.

(Not only/uniquely the Dems of course.)

Posted by: Noirette | Dec 18 2016 15:10 utc | 250

...given that Trump championed the birther spiel against Obama. …Edward @ 221

This article gets most of the facts concerning the birther impulse and which powerful ppl pushed it right, imho. Sept. 2016.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/09/obama_was_the_original_birther.html

Obama let his bio as 'born in Kenya' stand as that was an advantageous status for him, i.e. he was NOT in any way connected to the ex-slave black-US community (cf. his attitude and actions towards that part of the US population since), but an ‘exotic, interesting’, foreignor. Note his alleged father did exactly the same thing, using “Kenya” - original Africa or whatever - not British Dominions - to his advantage.

The ‘new proof’ of a faked Obama BC - which only re-hashes old info imho - is about a week old. Suddenly, this crops up again.

http://www.wnd.com/2016/12/evidence-obama-birth-certificate-fake-heading-to-congress/


Posted by: Noirette | Dec 18 2016 15:28 utc | 251

Noirette, journalists have no control over headlines and young authors can't control the marketing of their book.

Just shows that when he wrote the book he was not planning to run for president. Or he did not care at this moment.

It comes up, because there is the issue of Obama's legacy and popularity now. The Donald's crew are just as likely to mess up as not.

It is about strategy, too. Does the Republican Party think they can position themselves as "white" party by dog whistling against Democrats? I suppose they do. Does the Democratic party have a chance as a coalition of minorities with the working class? Probably, but where will all the donors go?

Posted by: somebody | Dec 18 2016 15:59 utc | 252

- The "Elite" coup ??? Yes, that was my take as well.
- But I fear that this will back fire on especially the Democrats.

Posted by: Willy2 | Dec 18 2016 16:37 utc | 253

I asked MI Spooks: "What’s going to happen?"

Mi Spooks replied:

The times will keep getting more interesting until a large majority is ready for boredom again, at least a large majority of those still left alive.

I wouldn't exclude World War from the interesting events in the near term years ahead.

Real Liberal Arts are so degraded that history is now a mere cartoon sketch comparable to Family Guy or Beavis and Butthead. It is therefore forgotten that the "United Kingdom" was so divided over Irish Home Rule that it was on the very brink of civil war in the summer of 1914. At this point the Serbian secret service conveniently organized an assassination plot of the Austrian Archduke Francis Ferdinand in Sarajevo, Bosnia.

No matter who ultimately inspired this plot one fact is established beyond all doubt. The British Army General Staff was completely aware of the overall German war plans and a great many specific details of the "Schlieffen Plan" well in advance. The Army General Staff Director of Operations, Sir Henry Wilson, even gave the British Cabinet a complete briefing on this in 1911.

The Moon of Alabama ignores that The Donald has adopted the most extreme Likudnik positions on Iran. Iran and its south Lebanon Hezbollah proxy are Israel's last real enemy standing anyway so its easy to call for peace with the rest of the Middle East. Although a new enemy is appearing in Erdogan's fast Islamicizing Turkey. ISIS and al Qaida are not a factor for Israel since Israel has real border walls and fences.

Trump's also apparently en route to moving the US Embassy to Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.

To succeed all of these CIA-MSM coup plot scenario variations require the cooperation of 37+ Republican electors and the GOP House and Senate majorities. Any GOP shenanigans over the electoral college that lead to Hillary being elected to anything, including dog catcher of Brooklyn, will lead to the immediate and permanent collapse of that party, including its House and Senate majorities.

Trump has the support of the security and military forces by a very wide margin. This even includes the CIA's own Special Activities Division. Not that this is necessary since US Special Operations Command knows who they are and where to find them anyway. Meanwhile public trust in the MSM is at an all time low and falling.

Such events would be the ultimate in ZOG Regime delegitimation. The DNC email exposures alienated large numbers from the Democratic Party with their undeniable proof the Democratic primary process was 100% rigged in Hillary's favor. Repeating this with Trump's election would complete the process. I therefore continue to think we won't be so lucky as to witness such an attempt at this point in time.

Posted by: Jimmy D. Giles | Dec 18 2016 17:59 utc | 254

I applaud your identification of the CIA as orchestrating the assault on Trump, but should the “elites” be more specifically identified?

The CIA, along with the US military, have been identified as tools used by the IMF and the WB to fund economic oppression throughout the world. Ref. CONFESSIONS OF ECONOMIC HIT MAN by John Perkins; KILLING HOPE by William Blum. Wall Street controls the IMF and WB.


Wall Street funds and Allen Dulles created the CIA to thwart government policies that were objectionable. Ref. DEVILS CHESSBOARD by David Talbot.

The CIA has overridden US presidential actions which pursued international peace. Ref. JFK AND THE UNSPEAKABLE by John Douglas; https://www.scribd.com/doc/49566880/CIA-ROGUE-AGENCY-RUN-AMUCK

Wall Street uses the Federal Reserve to embezzle billions from the government daily using the FRBNY's exclusive handling of Treasury auction funds. Ref. 31 CFR 375.3. Ref. http://www.scribd.com/doc/48194264/rip-off-by-the-Federal-Reserve-revised; https://www.scribd.com/document/115919607/FUNDING-THE-NEW-WORLD-ORDER.

Posted by: Olde Reb | Dec 19 2016 2:56 utc | 255

this just appeared. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGZds4W1nEs&feature=youtu.be

Posted by: Flame | Dec 19 2016 4:55 utc | 256

The Bad Losers


Trump is the revenge of people who feel manipulated, forgotten and despised. However flawed, he is the only choice they had to express their revolt in a rotten election. The United States is deeply divided ideologically, as well as economically. The United States is threatened, not by Russia, but by its own internal divisions and the inability of Americans not only yto understand the world, but even to understand each other.

The problem isn’t Trump but a political system which reduces the people’s choice to two hated candidates, backed by big bucks.


that's been and remains my thesis. all this is just gas.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 19 2016 11:00 utc | 257

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