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December 13, 2016

MSM Create #Fakenews Storm As Rebel Aleppo Vanishes

I have not ever experienced a #fakenews onslaught as today. Every mainstream media and agency seems to have lost all inhibitions and is reporting any rumor claim regarding the liberation of east-Aleppo as fact.

Consider this BBC headline and opener:

Aleppo battle: UN says 82 civilians shot on the spot

Syrian pro-government forces have been entering homes in eastern Aleppo and killing those inside, including women and children, the UN says.

The UN's human rights office said it had reliable evidence that in four areas 82 civilians were shot on sight.

1. A UN human rights office does not exists. What the BBC means is the Office of the U.N. High Commissioner of Human Rights (OHCHR). That commissioner is the Jordanian Prince Zeid Ra’ad Al Hussein, a Hashemite educated in the UK and U.S. and a relative of the Jordanian dictator king. That is relevant to note as Jordan is heavily involved in the supporting the "rebels" against the Syrian government.

2. The office has not "said" that "82 civilians were shot" or other such gruesome stuff. It said that there were "sources" that have "reports" that such happened. From its press statement today:

Multiple sources have reports that tens of civilians were shot dead yesterday in al-Ahrar Square in al-Kallaseh neighbourhood, and also in Bustan al-Qasr, by Government forces and their allies, including allegedly the Iraqi al-Nujabaa armed group.

The OHCHR claiming that "multiple sources have reports" of XYZ, without revealing neither the "sources" nor the provenance of the alleged "reports" of XYZ, certainly does not translate into "The UN said XYZ happened."

I find it irresponsible that the OHCHR even mentions such unverified stuff in its press conferences. But it is even more irresponsible that the BBC then uses a "UN says ..." headline and intro about such rumors especially without any further qualification in the rest of its "reporting".

There is also this recent report that cats were killed in Aleppo.

#BREAKING - Activists: All residents and guests of last cat shelter in Aleppo killed in Hezbollah gas attack.

The spokesman of the OHCHR has been notified of the above report. We are now awaiting the BBC headline: "UN says Hezbollah gassed last cats in Aleppo".

The BBC is not the only #fakenews outlet in this. Indeed it seems that news agencies seek "safety in the pack" by all reporting the same nonsense through each and every channel.

Again - the UN only says that it knows of such reports. It does not verify or vouches for these. Still the usual "humanitarian" influence operations, like Amnesty International, then join in on the "UN Says ..." falsehoods. Thousands of news outlets and websites copy from the fake agency reports and "humanitarian" outlets and try to sensationalize their take even further. Its a total disinformation mess.

But there are also the wonders of Aleppo.

Real inhabitants and reporters in Aleppo say that any internet connection there is slow and unstable. But those "activists" under intense artillery fire in the east seem to have gigabits of reliable bandwidth available. It's a miracle. Pictures and videos in tweets like this one come "out of Aleppo" each and every minute.

Of course such gigabits could be put to better use than for grabbing screenshots of old music videos, but nobody is perfect, especially when under heavy artillery fire.


The news agencies and mainstream media take all the "activist" tweets, WhatsUp talks, video uploads and livestreaming by Periscope as the truth without even knowing where those come from. Those "activists" could sit anywhere in the world and there is no way for reporters to verify their location.

The security of all these information operations (pdf) have me concerned. When those "last activists in Aleppo" tweet that the Syrian army is moving in towards them do they mean that Assad's tanks rumble onto Vauxhall Cross?

But as long as everyone repeats the lying "reports from the ground" of said "activists" no one can be held responsible. "We all honestly erred," is the usual and well accepted apology.

We should try, wherever we can, to hold those news people to higher standards.

Posted by b on December 13, 2016 at 16:57 UTC | Permalink

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"It's true because I saw it on Twitter." << US media verification and fact checking process

(But only if what they saw on Twitter supports the US narrative; otherwise it can be safely ignored.)

Posted by: WorldBLee | Dec 13 2016 17:09 utc | 1

The battle for Aleppo is done. This might be an attempt to place sanctions on the Syrian gov and its supporters but it will not change the inevitable outcome of the military operations in Aleppo or elsewhere. Furthermore, the neocon/liberal interventionists behind this will soon have a president who is hostile to them.

Posted by: alaric | Dec 13 2016 17:17 utc | 2

If it doesn't support the Anglo-Zionist narrative, it's Russian propaganda, of course.

Posted by: Fidelios Automata | Dec 13 2016 17:27 utc | 3

There seems to be snow where the dead cats are. Has it been snowing in Aleppo recently?

Posted by: GoraDiva | Dec 13 2016 17:34 utc | 4

thanks b.. it is hard to hold msm to higher standards. they have been in the gutter selling propaganda for so long, it gets tiring.. when they are shown to be letter carriers for war, as was the case in iraq and now here - they just move on to the next lies.. these are just the latest..

again - the ongoing theme and memo is this - ''russia, syria, iran, hezbollah are all evil''.. now who would have an agenda to put that in the public eye 24/7??

Posted by: james | Dec 13 2016 17:42 utc | 5

the MSM is completely unhinged these days. Sadly alot of people still buy into their garbage, but thankfully more and more people are waking up. Im happy that Aleppo has been liberated. Assad may not be a saint but I would imagine anything is better than being used as shields and living under Sharia loving jihadists

Posted by: Danny801 | Dec 13 2016 17:48 utc | 6

Propaganda travelling in highest gears. Göbbels would be jalous.

Posted by: Pnyx | Dec 13 2016 17:58 utc | 7

I'm pretty sure that tan cat at the top is a mountain lion. Who knew Aleppo had mountain lions?

Posted by: NoOneYouKnow | Dec 13 2016 17:59 utc | 8

French gov media

Posted by: Mina | Dec 13 2016 18:06 utc | 9

Whenever they mention the celebrations in Aleppo for the end of the war the French MSM say it happened "in West-Aleppo"

Posted by: Mina | Dec 13 2016 18:10 utc | 10

Curious that corporate media in the U.S. is in overdrive with the hysterics about the "humanitarian" crisis in Syria yet has virtually nothing at all to say about the ongoing destruction of Yemen.

Posted by: duncan idaho | Dec 13 2016 18:14 utc | 11

or in Iraq, for that matter.

Today 2 Yazidi girls got the Sakharov prive, no mention of how many Yazidi girls remain until today in the hands of the Gulf-supported maniacs.

Mosul or Sirte battles make no dead. Bad internet connection, sorry!

Wasn't Twitter created just to help the Empire create high-frequency fake news for its next wars?

Posted by: Mina | Dec 13 2016 18:20 utc | 12

The pic is of a mountain lion and a cat.

I was pointed to this story after I used the randomly selected dead-cats pic in a tweet: Can Somebody Call a Wildlife Biologist AND an Electrician? - Montain Lion, House Cat, Electrocuted

Posted by: b | Dec 13 2016 18:31 utc | 13

Thank you b for this analysis.

I'm thinking: Who is thinking?
I mean: b and his readers: how many are younger than 30? ; most are older than 50? (than 60?)
I'm thinking: Trump and the people he chooses: most are older than 60?

Just thinking aloud.
Recently I learned new words: Millennials, Snowflakes

I remember Gran Torino; Early in the film: Walt Kowalkski talking with a grandkid, and talking with his son (leaving in a car).

Do "young people" think?
Are they helpless with regard to MSM?
Or/And are they not -totally not- interested in geopolitics?

Snowflakes are busy making selfies and having feelings.
They can be hurt hearing wrong words, brrr

Posted by: From The Hague | Dec 13 2016 18:57 utc | 14

@ 8 NoOneYouKnow.. they call them cougars where i live.. and yes it does indeed look like one... all these pics are photo-shopped.. i see @13 b is confirming this as i read down the comments..

@14 from the hague. i enjoyed that flick 'grand torino'.. i think young people aren't following the msm.. i could be wrong, but the one's i know don't..

Posted by: james | Dec 13 2016 19:39 utc | 15

I think this one is the icing on the cake:

What are they going to tell us next ? Russian soldiers eating children alive ?
Can't believe I could read such utterly disgusting propaganda in 2016.

BTW, in answer to post 14: I'm 27. Not all "young" people are helpless concerning geopolitics. But it's quite true that lots of them do not have a single clue about what's going on in the world, because they simply don't care or find it "uninteresting".

Posted by: The_Salamander | Dec 13 2016 19:48 utc | 16

Fakenews "high style"
headline: Qatar abolishes controversial 'kafala' labour system
contents: "... Human rights groups say the change leaves the system - which they describe as modern-day slavery - intact."

Posted by: Mina | Dec 13 2016 19:53 utc | 17

although the pic is Old and 'fake', RIP to those majestic beasts

Posted by: aaaa | Dec 13 2016 19:54 utc | 18

another one in the high style category is whenever the MSM lists the "Syrian regime allies", it always go Russia, Iran, Hezbollah, and never Palestinians, although Liwa al Quds has been on the forefront in Aleppo.
Of course, Palestine doesn't exist.

Posted by: Mina | Dec 13 2016 19:59 utc | 19

@From The Hague #14:

Recently I learned new words: Millennials, Snowflakes

I remember Gran Torino; Early in the film: Walt Kowalkski talking with a grandkid, and talking with his son (leaving in a car).

Do "young people" think?

Just saw Gran' Torino for the first time recently. Excellent film.

I think a large proportion of young people don't think. What causes me to say that is that I just got banned from a forum at a private file sharing site, for making a post critical of Obama and a post critical of Muslim immigrants, which linked to a news story about how criticism of Islam is becoming criminalized in Europe. One reason the moderator gave for banning me was linking to "fake news". I wasn't any more harsh on Obama than lots of mainstream opinion writers and politicians are on Trump.

The mods there must be under thirty. And they uncritically picked up the post-election narrative of "fake news". So many young people seem to be conditioned to reflexively and uncritically accept and adopt establishment propaganda.

Another reason to believe that lots of young people don't think is the riots that occurred after Trump won the election. The media managed to convince a lot of people that Trump is the new Hitler. Finally, I would imagine that at least half of current college students have bought into identity politics.

On a side note, I find it very interesting that the narrative on Syria and Russia among the right-wing people and Trump supporters I follow on Twitter is essentially identical to b's. So thanks to Trump, the American right is now anti-US empire. How they are different from b is that they are also economically conservative, whereas b is economically left (like me).

Posted by: Adalbrand | Dec 13 2016 20:09 utc | 20

OT @20 adalbrand... i hang out with a lot of young people.. now, i may be mistaken, but most of the one's i know do indeed think and are very bright.. they don't have time for a lot of the bullshit and don't buy into a lot of the bullshit either.. that is my personal observation..

Posted by: james | Dec 13 2016 20:27 utc | 21

It is a sad story all together.

A detail about manufacturing those "news" that tells the whole story is the usage of the constantly repeated word the "fall" of Aleppo and an avoidance of a "liberation" in the most media coming from the US/West/European perspective.

Effect that is created and one of which they do not understand is that crying loud tears of a fakenewsery those editors and journalists are hypocritically insulting those poor people of Syria time and time again. And also all of us and a common emotional intelligence, as well.

Posted by: laserlurk | Dec 13 2016 20:38 utc | 22

I can't shake the feeling this has happened before.

"Six mistakes mankind keeps making century after century: Believing that personal gain is made by crushing others; Worrying about things that cannot be changed or corrected; Insisting that a thing is impossible because we cannot accomplish it; Refusing to set aside trivial preferences; Neglecting development and refinement of the mind; Attempting to compel others to believe and live as we do." ~Marcus Tullius Cicero (106-43BCE)

Posted by: Shh | Dec 13 2016 21:02 utc | 23

-- Full Press Conference at the United Nations. 9 December 2016, the Permanent Mission of the Syrian Arab Republic to the United Nations. Speakers: Dr. Bahman Azad, Member of the Coordinating Committee for the Hands Off Syria and Organization Secretary of US Peace Council, and Eva Bartlett, Independent Canadian Journalist. --

Posted by: persiflo | Dec 13 2016 21:38 utc | 24

Pulling out all the stops eh? Dead cats for fake news, so sad... The cretins have no shame.

Posted by: ben | Dec 13 2016 22:01 utc | 25

Gore is coming with Mitt as VP.

Posted by: pubumwei | Dec 13 2016 22:03 utc | 26

The whole of Western mainstream media is beyond saving. And they deserve and need to be fully purged, once and for all.
Every single outlet and journalist that published crap about how "Aleppo should be saved" and "moderate rebels" should be considered ally of Al-Qaeda and tried accordingly.
Time to clean the house and drain the swamp for good.

Posted by: CluelessJoe | Dec 13 2016 22:09 utc | 27

US Intelligence Veterans Dispute Russia Hacking Claims

These guys say that it's not a hack – it's a leak, and they say how they know.

Posted by: AntiSpin | Dec 13 2016 22:14 utc | 28


Gore-Mitt, funny...with The Hag as Princess and the Pea.

Great faery, urrr, Zog story. Today almost rammed into traffic listening to NPR do a Hugh Downesque call-and-response with John McCain on the phone on the air, "And then, Unka Jawn, what did the evil Russian warlord do?"

McCain is a war criminal, like Zog Kissinger, and while Soros knows how to keep his hands clean, his minions do not. I've had one request to God, that I live to piss on Cheney's and Rodham's graves, wherever they may be, but now I think that request will have to be sped up, and involves some hemp rope on or about January 21st, lol.

I can visualize everything, the horse underneath me, smell of hard-ridden leather, the way the hemp rope plays out in my gloved hands, the dead sycamore tree with that long stout branch, the scuffle, the dust, the cursing, ...and then the ballet 4 feet off the ground.

A man can dream, can't he, or did they outlaw that too?

(-)$20,000,000,000,000 gone with the wind, greatest looting in all of human history, or herstory, right under the noses of 17 US intelligence (sic) agencies, who didn't protect us in 1998 during the soft coup, didn't protect us on 9/11 during the hard coup, didn't protect us in 2008, during the great implosion, and didn't protect us in 2011, during the greatest of all bank heists...but now, oh, lawdy, dem Russians!

Posted by: chipnik | Dec 13 2016 22:33 utc | 29

Enjoying the demolition of the #fakenews again here b. Though, on closer inspection it appears those two cats were repeatedly violated by Putin prior to their death.

@28 Antispin
Thanks, great article. Binney is a legend of the game, great to see his involvement here. Even a layperson can understand it's a leak not a hack, but the MSM lay it on so thick and in unison that it seems like "It's a Hacked by Putin" is coming from all angles...when, in reality...its just one angle... and all MSM are just waiting for their cue to copy the daily narrative from the NYT...WaPo, CNN...or whoever's turn it is to fabricate that day. Basic stuff, not one critical thought amongst them.

My feeling is that the leaker is still Seth Rich who paid the price, which is why the DNC is doubling down on "Russia hacked" as they do not fear the leaker coming forward. Craig Murray's admission that he knows who the leaker is and has met actually him has me wondering if the leaker would step forward into public view. It's a big call to make, and I cant think of a reason to doubt Murray on this given his relationship with Assange. Could we see an outing prior to Trump's Jan 20 start date...destroying the best efforts of the CIA to prove a Russia Hack...? We can only hope.

Posted by: MadMax2 | Dec 13 2016 22:43 utc | 30

@Adalbrand #20

Yes, what's a socially libertarian, anti-imperialist economic lefty who supports the self-determination of nation-states with borders to do? It seems that engaging with the nationalist, economically conservative right works better than with the invade-the-world-invite-the-world identitarian left, since right manifests some actual thought processes and has a libertarian strain instead of the authoritarian SJW knee-jerk reactions on the left. The right may argue with you, but the left will just scream at you. The SJW left is the new Religious Right.

Posted by: Thirdeye | Dec 13 2016 22:53 utc | 31

I found today's storm painful. The proof, if ever we still needed it, that the US prefers jihadi confusion in Damascus over peace. It's a failing policy, though. We're talking about how the US is spinning its defeat in Syria.

Posted by: Laguerre | Dec 13 2016 22:59 utc | 32

Yeah, it's a re-play of Ghouta in 2013 and the sarin attack that never happened.

The salafists control an enormously effective misinformation network that is able to flood the news market with consistent, pre-planned "facts" in a matter of hours. It reaches from the Observatory to Higgins to a thousand plugged in pricks with keyboards and iPhones. And they have an effect. In re: Ghouta the meme that sarin had been used was being reported by virtually all of the US news wires within 2 hours of the alleged attack.

It's scary that misinfo-idiots could get the US election thrown into the House by spreading fake-news about DNC/Podesta hacks. It looks like Christine Pelosi, Nancy's daughter and an elector for California, has almost enough electors signed on to a demand that they get an intelligence briefing prior to casting votes on the 19th. Here.

Apparently a growing number of these so-called electors are getting power-happy and concluding that it is there duty to determine who is and is not qualified to be president.

Posted by: IpsoFacto | Dec 13 2016 23:05 utc | 33

"... their duty . . ." did I say "there"?

Posted by: IpsoFacto | Dec 13 2016 23:08 utc | 34

I simply CANNOT get over the fact that the Syrian army s allowing all the rats a safe passage to exit the besieged enclave. After all the crimes they've committed???

Apparently it was negotiated between the Russians are Erdogan. I don't know why Russis finds Syrian blood so cheap to negotiate away like that!!!! All men who carried arms against the state MUST face justice. I'm sure every state would do the same.

Posted by: Zico | Dec 13 2016 23:31 utc | 35

As you predicted: The destruction of the last hospital for transsexual cats was the tipping point.

Apart from that, my impression is that few people still believe the MSM narrative about Syria. It's enlightening to read the readers' comments - if an author tows the neocon line, s/he gets 90% disapproval. Oh I forgot, that's Putin's Troll Army (PTA) of course...

But thanks a lot for the article nonetheless, b!

Posted by: smuks | Dec 13 2016 23:39 utc | 36

Zeid Ra’ad Al Hussein is not only the cousin of king playstation. His father is the claimant to the title of both the Iraqi and Syrian thrones.

Posted by: estouxim | Dec 13 2016 23:46 utc | 37

re: Zico 35

It's possible that this is part of a deal to allow western SOF out of Aleppo.

Posted by: persiflo | Dec 13 2016 23:55 utc | 38

Wonders never cease. US government decided to halt sales of some "munitions" to KSA because of the "flaws in targeting cycle".

While nobody is perfect, USA admitting to mistakes in targeting, US government will perhaps refrain from selling some air-to-ground missiles, so KSA will have to make it do with British cluster bombs, and perhaps they will hire some immigrant workers to make barrel bombs.

Deploying starvation weapons against the disloyal subjects of the Legitimate President Hadi is still OK, so this issue will be left for Tyrannosaurus Rex to review (sorry if I misspelled the name of our next Secretary of State).

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 14 2016 0:11 utc | 39

@Zico #35

The rats were essentially holding hostages, not letting civilians leave or they would be shot. Same thing they were doing all along in east Aleppo until the chaos of losing battles allowed hostages to escape.

Posted by: Thirdeye | Dec 14 2016 0:14 utc | 40

@38 The more reasons not to let them out. If there are Western agents stuck in Aleppo, they need to be exposed. They have to be paraded and interrogated publicly until they confess why they're there - like in Vietnam. Traitorous Western governments must be exposed and cast as the treacherous allies of AQ they truly are - and be seen as illegitimate and criminal by their peoples.

@20 Adalbrand: I finally think I guessed why there's some specific behaviour with young ones, why some elder get more reactionary, and the like. It's experience, and accumulation of experience. A 20-y old can't have much direct experience that MSM are a lying bag of stinking shit. With the years, one can see how media report crap about fields where one has expertise and knowledge, and after some time, the sheer accumulation of disappointment turns into disgust and then into downright loathing, when the tipping point is reached. DIfferences of tipping point levels and of diverses experiences explain to an extent why people tolerate more crap from media, from the establishment, from big business, from various groups of people, and the like.
Your average young progressive / SJW might know that MSM can be shit and report bogus occasionally, he might have seen it already. He hasn't yet the cumulated experience to see that it's the standard behaviour and that MSM is beyond redemption - you need a solid amount of bad experiences to actually admit that what's always been presented as good and a guarantee of freedom and democracy is actually a pure propaganda outlet that shouldn't even be trusted when it comes to weather reports.

Posted by: CluelessJoe | Dec 14 2016 0:21 utc | 41

@41 "Your average young progressive / SJW might know that MSM can be shit and report bogus occasionally, he might have seen it already."

True but they assume the stuff is written by their peers, therefore credible. They may even think mainstream journalism is cool. They probably figured out there's not much money in alternative blogs.

Posted by: dh | Dec 14 2016 0:28 utc | 42

The whining of losers. How sweet it is. Run out of gas, now they will take the knives to their own. Those who sense which way the wind is blowing will ease away, some will just defect. Who wants to keep their wagon hitched to this losing cause.

Posted by: Robert McMaster | Dec 14 2016 0:43 utc | 43

Re:Posted by: The_Salamander | Dec 13, 2016 2:48:28 PM | 16

Maybe so, but Kanye West met with President-elect The Donald today and he looks like running in 2024 now.

Maybe Kanye will run as the Trump candidate?

Posted by: Julian | Dec 14 2016 0:45 utc | 44

@14 There are lots of us under 30 who are against things as they are. See the Bernie Sanders nearly-eleection for proof.

The powers that be control the media and they will use it as best they can to suppress dissent and create false narratives. We can counter them to the best of our abilities, but a person needs to, like a dog, shake that rain off before they can be brushed with the pointy barbs of the truth, to make a silly metaphor.

Posted by: Cresty | Dec 14 2016 0:54 utc | 45

Under the image of the two Cats I found the following, (who ever claimed that the cats were killed in Aleppo should be publicly humiliated).
"Our friend Bridget Cavanaugh took this photo today at the end of her driveway, just less than a mile outside of Bozeman’s city limits. Here’s how this mountain lion and this housecat ended up dead, side by side:

Bridget says the lion chased the kitty up an electrical pole and the kitty hit the top wire as the big cat grabbed its back leg (note that the kitty’s back leg is cut open), then the big cat hit the second wire. The lion and the kitty were electrocuted and died, dropping to the ground right below the wires. (Bridget knows which cat hit which line because there’s still fur on both wires). Fish, Wildlife and Parks picked up the cats this afternoon.

It’s an odd story, but also a frightening one for Bridget who has little children. She writes: “It’s to us chilling because our kids play just down the dirt road. We had no idea this mountain lion was living in our pastures, eating young deer and climbing electrical poles to eat the neighbor’s cat.”

Posted by: Dan E | Dec 14 2016 1:47 utc | 46


In classic Robert McKee 'The Story' scriptwriting fashion, the ZOGs at NYTimes have cast the Clinton-Podesta (but no Weiner ... what happened to Weiner?) email few-fah into Game of Thrones. Here's how Sanger spins the tale:


From the Times (bolding is HuffPost’s):

“This is a legitimate email,” Charles Delavan, a Clinton campaign aide, replied to another of Mr. Podesta’s aides, who had noticed the alert. “John needs to change his password immediately.”

With another click, a decade of emails that Mr. Podesta maintained in his Gmail account — a total of about 60,000 — were unlocked for the Russian hackers.

(but apparently not Weiner's, lol)


And that, my friends, is how you create the great narratives of Gone With the Wind.

Frankly, Mr. Sander, I don't give a damn.

Posted by: chipnik | Dec 14 2016 1:53 utc | 47

Bit of "random firing" on my brain's thought but I've been toying with this today.

Ask yourself, what is the most extreme cognitive dissonance moment you've experienced since, say the 2008 crisis?

I think I've got a few but actually the most important is this:

How is it that:

- accepted practice in the west is that "trade" agreements are agreed between corporations and technocrats behind closed doors with our elected reps not even allowed to see the details except in a "visitation" to the sacred documents armed only with a pen and paper and under security supervision (whose exactly?) the whole time


- the apparently endorsed method of dealing with a trade agreement once you approach Russia's orbit is to have a ~3 month long street riot with nauseating levels of "activist"-on-cop violence, all financed, armed trained and given political cover by the same people that accept the above as a matter of course.

Any other examples?

Posted by: Oddlots | Dec 14 2016 1:58 utc | 48

The Guardian has put together video that features a number of "average people" from Aleppo.
There is one you may be interested in It is this "doctor" who appears fourth in the Guardian video and reminds of the head of the White Helmets in Urem al-Kubra, the town where a Red Cross convoy was attacked. What do people think?

Posted by: Ghostship | Dec 14 2016 2:07 utc | 49

I find it truly amazing that people are finally beginning to talk about fake news. In junior high, I recall conversations during lunch about whether the stories out of Dallas were true ... regarding the Kennedy murder. Doubt about what we are told is really not all that recent ... what has changed is that the so-called 'educated' are now talking about fake news.

Education is little more than brain-washing, and those who resisted (and called ignorant) were right all along.

Posted by: rg the lg | Dec 14 2016 2:28 utc | 50

When the Russia hacking our election spew happens they often mention foreign agents influencing our elections as an inexcusable act. How is the Clinton foundation accepting hundreds of millions from lots of foreign countries, a matter of public record, not seen as a textbook example of that!

A good place to feel the burn of shame for my fear is to go watch the Russians in Ukraine gather in train stations and do flash mobs singing patriotic songs from the great patriotic war. In a country where Russians have been burned alive for being Russian, these folks stand and sing their songs at the top of their lungs holding their heads high, and we think with our divisive infighting we can beat them in a war, ha! Most impressive to me, all the young gals know the words by heart and the classy old ladies with style and irrepressible spirit. Least impressive, the momentarily outnumbered Nazis standing around looking like the true cowards they are.

Another impressive bit of video shows SAA troops advancing in Allepo. It shows a few fellows after its over looking very shook up. Watched it again and there was a guy down, looking quite dead, it seems like he might have been at the point when they advanced. In any case hard to imagine the jihadis giving a darn about a dead man. These folks are fighting against great power and not backing down, it's disgusting to me that we are against them.

Finally if a man is going to die for a crime we take many precautions with our justice system to guarantee he deserves to die. I propose that if we are to invade and destroy a country we take due diligence in proving our case. It is not good enough to win the media battle and convince a huge number of ignorant folks that something is true when it's not. This is not truth, justice and the American way. Never mind in the case of one man, now we have done this to millions, arguably all innocent.

Finally I told a friend about a news report on the radio announcing the fall of the Allepo “rebels”. There was a continuous clatter of gunfire through the whole piece. At the end the guy said reporting from Lebanon and gave his name. The friend asked, I didn't know they were fighting in Lebanon? Indeed! Eva Bartlettt has more raw courage than the whole MSM combined.

Posted by: Frankly | Dec 14 2016 2:32 utc | 51

Almost immediately after the WW2 intelligence agencies were renamed the CIA it created fake news. We can also call it agitprop and disinformation.
It has sowed immense suffering and death.
Let's finish what JFK planned and scatter it to the winds.

Posted by: AriusArmenian | Dec 14 2016 2:49 utc | 52

"I have not ever experienced a #fakenews onslaught as today"
Thanks for your consistent insights, b. Your work is commendable. On many levels, nonpareil.

I was thinking the same thing today. Most disturbing is a sense that the gates of bedlam are no longer simply ajar but have been bulldozed releasing one of the most unprecedented and frenzied cavalcade of lies and distortions flooding the already polluted pathways which the media navigates.

Posted by: metni

Posted by: metni | Dec 14 2016 2:59 utc | 53

Maybe a good time for this.....

Posted by: dh | Dec 14 2016 3:32 utc | 54

The neocon Corporate Media is certainly going to go on a rampage - if for no other reason than to divert attention from the total failure in Aleppo. And the cat story I actually found to be funny - don't the so-called reporters have any Google skills at all?

But there is going to be a kernel of truth within the atrocity stories. The local Syrians have been through a lot, and it's going to be payback time. The Syrian Government seems to have a policy of allowing Syrian rebels to surrender, but that's not true for outsiders. I was shocked when I read this in the Syrian Perspective site a while back:

Let’s be very blunt: the Syrian Army is under orders to slay each and every foreigner it can find. Efforts by foreigners to surrender are rejected outright the preference being to hunt him down and kill him. The Liwaa` Al-Quds (mostly Palestinian with commanders from the PFLP-GC) is proving to be the most predatory of all the patriotic groups; their fighters find and execute all foreigners – especially the Saudis who are sometimes skinned alive before burning. The standing orders are to take Syrian citizens prisoner.

That's a heavy-duty atrocity there, and the blogger wrote it with a savage pride.

Posted by: Zachary Smith | Dec 14 2016 4:00 utc | 55

here is the link and story to go with Dan E's comment at 46 regarding the picture of the cats in b's post above.. post is from november 5th and is indeed from bozeman, montana...

i guess this is where all the war money for info propaganda war goes.. some writer/photographer from bozeman gets ripped off by a bozo paid by the cia..

Posted by: james | Dec 14 2016 4:03 utc | 56

The west had lost. It'll have to get used to the feeling, as there is a lot of losing ahead. But for now let the lying scum go through all the proper stages of grief...They are past denial and into anger. Acceptance is on its way, give it a year or so.

Posted by: telescope | Dec 14 2016 4:06 utc | 57

Robert Fisk provides a decent antidote to the Aleppo propaganda blitz:
"Aleppo, Syria: Politicians, 'experts' and journalists will have to reboot their stories, 13 Dec 2016"

And from Oct 21 2016, this one bears re-reading:

Two great sieges are getting under way in the Middle East, one in Mosul in Iraq and the other in Aleppo in Syria. They have a great deal in common, including the fact that the attackers both depend heavily on foreign air power, but they are treated by most international media as though they were completely different events. How similar they are will become clearer with the passage of time. . .

. . . The Islamic State's five or six thousand fighters have had years to prepare their defences, and street fighting uses up attacking troops very fast. Even "precision" airstrikes in urban areas always mean lots of dead civilians, but central Mosul will not fall unless the US uses its air force to dig the defenders out.

Even the current advance across relatively open country south and east of Mosul relies on the massive use of air power to keep the attackers' casualties down. When the troops reach the city limits, the whole operation will stall unless the US government starts serious bombing in the built-up area. If it does that, then the civilian casualties will be quite similar to those inflicted by the Russian air force in eastern Aleppo. But the Western media will doubtless still find ways to see a huge difference between the two.

And why do I have this feeling like everyone at the U.S. State Department was exchanging high-fives over the ISIS attack on Palmyria. . . Oh, right, this video, of State Department spokesperson Mark Toner:
"WOW: State Dept Rep - Syria's army should not liberate Palmyra from ISIS?"

It is quite the propaganda blitz, but who is going to take UNHRC - with Saudi Arabia at the helm - seriously on this one? Saudi Arabia on Aleppo, sure, let's believe whatever they say. . .

Who is supposed to believe this narrative, anyway?

Posted by: nonsensefactory | Dec 14 2016 4:57 utc | 58


It's become a Hemingway For Whom the Bell Tolls saga between the Breitbart Fascists and the Huffpost Communists, as Trump surrounds himself with generals and neocons, (speaking of "The ability to go and advance US interests, our sovereignty, our security and our stealth around the globe. Implementing the Trump Doctrine, which of course is an American First Uber Alles doctrine around the globe!") and the Neoliberal Krugmanaut Stiglizim fanatics wail on the weeping wall that their (-)$20,000,000,000,000 credit-debt bicycled public-to-private welfare trough is finally in jeopardy of sunsetting.

DJIA QEn'd to 20,000, entirely borrowed debt, the principal looted in 2008-2011, no audits, no records, time for them to 'pull it' again, lol, the Zogs don't care whether you win or you lose, as long as they make their skim. Up day, down day, go moonlaunch or go flashcrash, as long as they make their fees, that's all that matters. "Redemptions are limited to $500 a day. Please take your place in line and remain orderly."

January 6, 2017, a day that will live in infamy. But USArya will survive and won't starve, because they still have the largest agricultural production per capita on Earth, and nobody is going to take remnimbi in trade for food after the Big Reset. Relax, kick back, chill.

"I can't tell you where all the money went!" Benhamin

Posted by: chipnik | Dec 14 2016 5:25 utc | 59

"Of course such gigabits could be put to better use than for grabbing screenshots of old music videos, but nobody is perfect, especially when under heavy artillery fire."

lol 180 poast

Posted by: lemur | Dec 14 2016 5:35 utc | 60

Watching repeating the same Syrian claptrap as the rest of the Jew-controlled MSM, I was marvelling at the speed with which a News outlet once praised and awarded for its diligent Investigative Reporting has been derailed onto the Apallingly Gullible & Incurious path.

But, on reflection, it shouldn't come as a surprise. News gathering and dissemination has changed dramatically since 9/11. Leaving aside the dramatic consolidation of News Media (Rupert Murdoch, Time Warner, anyone?) and the emergence of 24/7 News Broadcasters (with less than 1 hour per day of New newsworthy news) and came under extreme pressure from AIJAC (the Australian Jewish Lobby) to report "both sides" of any story which touched on issues contested by The Lobby.

Added to the above was the gradual elevation of newsreaders to Celebrity status and a trend towards younger, cosmetically attractive, Socially Aware, "Personalities" capable of playing an active role in discussing the News Highlights each day. Part of this trend is that these Socially Aware "personalities" (and I mean ALL of them ie every single one) imbibe their Social Awareness from such info-trash sewers as Twitter, Facebook et al. So it's completely unsurprising that the mouths which deliver the News are attached to brains insulated from reality by an unhealthy, time-consuming, and debilitating addiction to so-called Social Media, and have correspondingly narrow and embarrassingly ignorant points of view.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 14 2016 7:14 utc | 61

Stephen Cohen on John Batchelor particularly interesting on the current Russia as evil empire ...
Yes, likely the Nuland/Kagan/McCain/Clinton cabal trying to either neutralize or depose Trump because Trump & Company appears poised to depose the lifers at the State Department ... additional interesting info on Tillerson ... and the Khodorkovsky connection is explained.

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Dec 14 2016 7:23 utc | 62

is it just me, or is the full text of the so-called Stop Arming Terrorists Act introduced by T. Gabbard et al. unavailable.

i can't find it. i can't find a bill number. is it fakenews?

Posted by: jfl | Dec 14 2016 9:01 utc | 63

it's good to point out the fakenews from the white helmets and other us/nato operatives ... but there is some real news that is not being covered ... A Yemeni Child Dies Every 10 Minutes as Saudi Attacks Continue ...

i don't know about the 1 child/10 minutes line, but i think i do know that us/nato/ksa/gcc terrorists and mass murderers are plying their trade in real time in yemen ... and that needs more coverage than our reactionary coverage of the us/nato fake news coming out of syria. applying ourselves to the fake narrative established by the us/nato/ksa/gcc terrorists and mass murderers is leaving the real 'human rights' crisis ... the mass murder in yemen ... to proceed according to us/nato/ksa/gcc plan.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 14 2016 9:10 utc | 64

John Kirby. FML.

"I haven't seen any ANY people dancing in the streets in Aleppo."

Just SHUT UP John.

YOU'RE FIRED!!! - Donald J Trump.

Posted by: Julian | Dec 14 2016 9:10 utc | 65

Re: Posted by: jfl | Dec 14, 2016 4:01:50 AM | 63

Tulsi is (almost) the only decent Congresswoman in the whole place. No doubt they will try and railroad and ignore her.

It won't work.

Her credibility grows by the day compared to her craven and corrupt colleagues.

Posted by: Julian | Dec 14 2016 9:14 utc | 66

@66 julian, 'Tulsi is (almost) the only decent Congresswoman in the whole place.'

where's the text?

i believed that too, after her first appearance ... then the reality of her ties to the Indian national fascist party appeared.

i don't want someone who walks on the water, i just want someone that works along lines i can agree with on some dimension(s).

i can believe tg fills the bill ... but where's the text?

Posted by: jfl | Dec 14 2016 9:37 utc | 68

Konashenkov also said that “no human rights activists, representatives of the ‘opposition’ or nongovernmental humanitarian organizations, like the White Helmets, have been found in eastern Aleppo.”

The truth of the matter, like other heart-wrenching sob-stories before it, will (begrudgingly) be followed up on by western media when it finally has outstayed its usefulness and they feel the need publish one last eye-catching click-bait to score some advertisement money.

Wonder if Netflix would do a follow up documentary on the subject (probably if there's some money to be made).

Posted by: never mind | Dec 14 2016 9:50 utc | 69

Rected violently when hearing that ,''the wahabist headchoppers were waiting for a 'fatwa' for them to 'halal'ly kill their wife before surrendering as they reckoned that 'their' 'wifes' will be raped by the invading 'regime' forces!
If observers want a clear picture of the 'evil' that the present ruling regime in the so called the 'us' supports than this is it.
What the regime want is to implant the wahabi ideological rule from the deserts to the rest of the mena.We cant yet say,''something evil passed us by''...this is not true islam but evilness of turning a belief system to their true evil ends!
Heaven and the souls that suffered under this evil will hold the regimes in the 'us','saudi','jerusalem','eu','gcc'nato accountable!

Posted by: Nur Adlina | Dec 14 2016 10:02 utc | 70

It is interesting to see the wailing of the traditional media after Assad and Russia's win in Aleppo. Their hearts don't bleed so much for Mosul or Yemen. Neither did it bleed when the US invaded Iraq or when Madeline Albright thought it worth it to kill half a million Iraqi children. So, why now??

My initial impression of all this media propaganda (before the elections in the US) was that the Western population was being prepared for a war with Russia. You just can't declare war - you need to prepare the ground many years in advance. Hence, the reports of Putin being a ghastly human being guilty of all sorts of execrable crimes including the accusation that he was a paedophile (see this: In all the neocon publications, the administration in Russia is referred to as a 'regime' and Putin as a 'dictator'. Maybe the MSM believe Russians are less than human beings and so their votes don't count - why else call a statesman a dictator when he has >80% approval ratings in his country.

But the accusations, insinuations and the #fakenews is still kept on. The MSM know that the US administration will be changing with a (hopefully) far more Russia-friendly stance than was expected from Hillary (I surely expected some kind of war against Russia either high or low intensity). What are the motives of the MSM? Is anti-Russia propaganda still rolling on because of inertia? Don't they see that their side has lost the US presidential elections and hence the control of the administration machinery? Don't they see that they have also lost the battle in the middle-east where the tide has turned big-time against them? Don't they see that not all people are sheeps who just think what they are told to and do what they are told to - their defeat in the US presidential elections must have told them that- that their propaganda rags have been exposed for what they are - toilet paper to bamboozle the masses.

So, why does the MSM keep on doing what it is doing? Instead of acknowledging reality they are just digging a deeper grave for themselves. Or is there another logical explanation for why they are doing what they are doing

Posted by: ancientarcher | Dec 14 2016 10:06 utc | 71

@14 There are lots of us under 30 who are against things as they are. See the Bernie Sanders nearly-eleection for proof.
Posted by: Cresty | Dec 13, 2016 7:54:15 PM | 45

No, quite the reverse.
Bernie Sanders is an example of this phenomenon (Millennials, Snowflakes).

The upper-middle-class American style of parenting is creating a generation of children who are trained from birth to believe three things: first, that the central goals of life are success and emotional well-being; second, that the child’s definitions of success and emotional well-being are authoritative; and third, that parents and other authority figures exist to facilitate the child’s desires. If the child is the star of his own life’s story, then parents and teachers act as agents, lawyers, and life coaches. They are the child’s chief enablers.

In the Bernie Sanders phenomenon, we see the flailing. Out from under their parents’ roof, out from under the watchful eye of sympathetic administrators, who’s the parent now? Who has the authority to address their grievances and ease their fears? Responding to the fear and uncertainty, a geriatric socialist (a fatherly sort of fellow) steps in with his call for free health care and education (neither in fact free), and protection from the rough-and-tumble world of liberty and markets. In other words, Sanders wants to make the entire country a “safe space.”

Posted by: From The Hague | Dec 14 2016 11:03 utc | 75

wrt tweets, phone calls etc from E.Aleppo. How are these people getting their internet/phone sys access ?? I don't imagine any Govt not jamming radio comm's and cutting cables in these circs or the "rebels" allowing unfettered access from behind their lines. A satellite phone and a script, maybe...

Posted by: Stubbs | Dec 14 2016 11:09 utc | 76

@71 aa, 'But the accusations, insinuations and the #fakenews is still kept on. The MSM know that the US administration will be changing ...'

it looks like they don't 'know' that ... don't 'want to know' that. and some are trying to avert that change ... viewing obama->clinton and all that entails as the continuum.

i think in ac/dc there is no there, there any longer. it's a gangwar. a struggle for dominance among several strains/cliques of the elite. there is no unified 'national interest', any longer, that 'the' elite is pursuing. there are several, rival, gang interests that each clique is pursuing on its own. among the elite/the oligarchs it's the war of all against all. the interests of 'the nation', of 'the people' are no longer under consideration. it's the interest of each gang that is paramount within that gang. the usa has degenerated into warring elite factions. maybe tee-rump can assert control, purge the others ... maybe the clintons can suborn the electoral college and assert control, ... maybe the military will see an opening in the war between the two and declare a real coup ... maybe the cia will assassinate tee-rump, and work with lbj - i mean pence. things are falling apart.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 14 2016 11:30 utc | 77

70;Yes,over at AA,he says Charles Lister says hundreds of husbands kill their wives and themselves in suicide as a result of Aleppo's fall.
And the Martians and the Russians implanted vote Trump thoughts in voters heads and changed the election.And throw Trump off Twitter.(NYTs).
Twilight zone.
Yes,Trumps payback is gonna be a bitch.
Go Donald.

Posted by: dahoit | Dec 14 2016 13:54 utc | 78

I agree with most comments above and would just like to add that even this kind of seemingly 'unhinged' propaganda has a 'message' and there seems to be a strong focus on Iran once more.
Is Iran once more the target?

Posted by: AtaBrit | Dec 14 2016 14:11 utc | 79

The desinformation attacks by western media is the worst i have.ever seen, this is truly amazing, the hatered for liberation from terrorists...yeah read that again is what western msms cry about 2016. The preparation for war against Russia is based on pure fcking antirussian racism that border nazi propaganda.

Posted by: Sadef | Dec 14 2016 14:18 utc | 80


Oh, what a load of bollux! Every industrial country on earth provides government subsidized healthcare and education to all citizens, free, even fracking Arab countries, only the fracking Zogs in Israel and fracking Zogs in America, the two countries with the greatest income disparities, the greatest prison populations, the most crime and racism, those militarist sexually perverse cvnts, for-profit elderly warehoused in the two greatest grift-fest shyte-holes. Every other country in the world's parents nurture their children far more and far longer than in frack-fest Zog land, and now the fracking Zogs are in charge of the Treasury, Commerce, OMN, NEC and Fed in USArya, you can fracking stick a fracking fork in your 'helicopter snowflake' bollux theory of Ba'al and Moloch, the Zogs fracking looted $20,000,000,000,000 from the public Treasury and national paid-in retirement and healthcare trust funds, their intestines should be ripped out and they should be hung by their nutsacks from a Zog tree. "I can't tell you where all the money went!" Benhamin

Posted by: chipnik | Dec 14 2016 14:57 utc | 81

NBC was godawful and given its usually the "best" of the snowflake networks hate to think of what abc or cbs was like.

Posted by: Heath | Dec 14 2016 15:18 utc | 82

Rep. Tulsi Gabbard said, “Under U.S. law it is illegal for any American to provide money or assistance to al-Qaeda, ISIS or other terrorist groups. If you or I gave money, weapons or support to al-Qaeda or ISIS, we would be thrown in jail. Yet the U.S. government has been violating this law for years, quietly supporting allies and partners of al-Qaeda, ISIL, Jabhat Fateh al Sham and other terrorist groups with money, weapons, and intelligence support, in their fight to overthrow the Syrian government.[i]

“The CIA has also been funneling weapons and money through Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Qatar and others who provide direct and indirect support to groups like ISIS and al-Qaeda. This support has allowed al-Qaeda and their fellow terrorist organizations to establish strongholds throughout Syria, including in Aleppo.

“A recent New York Times article confirmed that ‘rebel groups’ supported by the U.S. ‘have entered into battlefield alliances with the affiliate of al-Qaeda in Syria, formerly known as al Nusra.’ This alliance has rendered the phrase ‘moderate rebels’ meaningless. Reports confirm that ‘every armed anti-Assad organization unit in those provinces [of Idlib and Aleppo] is engaged in a military structure controlled by [al-Qaeda’s] Nusra militants.’

“A recent Wall Street Journal article reported that many rebel groups are ‘doubling down on their alliance’ with al Nusra. Some rebel groups are renewing their alliance, while others, like Nour al-Din al-Zinki, a former CIA-backed group and one of the largest factions in Aleppo are joining for the first time. “The Syria Conquest Front—formerly known as the al-Qaeda-linked Nusra Front—is deeply intermingled with armed opposition groups of all stripes across Syria’s battlefields.”

“The CIA has long been supporting a group called Fursan al Haqq, providing them with salaries, weapons and support, including surface to air missiles. This group is cooperating with and fighting alongside an al-Qaeda affiliated group trying to overthrow the Syrian government. The Levant Front is another so-called moderate umbrella group of Syrian opposition fighters. Over the past year, the United States has been working with Turkey to give this group intelligence support and other forms of military assistance. This group has joined forces with al-Qaeda’s offshoot group in Syria.

“This madness must end. We must stop arming terrorists. The Government must end this hypocrisy and abide by the same laws that apply to its’ citizens.

“That is why I’ve introduced the Stop Arming Terrorists bill—legislation based on congressional action during the Iran-Contra affair to stop the CIA’s illegal arming of rebels in Nicaragua. It will prohibit any Federal agency from using taxpayer dollars to provide weapons, cash, intelligence, or any support to al-Qaeda, ISIS and other terrorist groups, and it will prohibit the government from funneling money and weapons through other countries who are directly or indirectly supporting terrorists,” concluded Rep. Tulsi Gabbard.

Posted by: mauisurfer | Dec 14 2016 16:00 utc | 83

In listening to NPR and Democracy Now! this morning, I noticed that all mentions of the Aleppo "atrocities," ascribed to the Syrian government or its allies (Russia, Iran, Hezbollah, local government supporting fighters), have completely dropped phrases which indicate there has been no corroboration of such "atrocities."

I figured NPR would follow the MCM (Mainstream Corporate Media) lead on this -- and feared Amy Goodman would so the same, as she seems to have swallowed the government line of Syria hook, line, and sinker.

However, Prof. Steven Cohen appeared on the program with Kenneth Roth of Human Rights Watch. Cohen took the opportunity to point out to Amy what she had done, that with no corroborated facts whatsoever she had said many civilians were killed, etc. By the government or its supporters.

Thank you much, Prof. Cohen.

Roth is utterly predictable, but, for once, there is counterpoint to his propaganda.


Posted by: jawbone | Dec 14 2016 16:25 utc | 84

Also, Cohen pointed out that dollar for dollar, the US Government and the MCM post hugely more "fake news" than anything from Russia.

He also pointed out that the NYTimes has had no op-eds which disagree with the gov/MCM position that the Syrians and its allies are guilty of incredible, horrific war crime type actions!

Posted by: jawbone | Dec 14 2016 16:28 utc | 85

Hope this is a working link to Dem Now!'s program.

Posted by: jawbone | Dec 14 2016 16:29 utc | 86

Julian @66

The correct form of address is Representative Tulsi Gabbard (D-HW) Major US Army. Major Gabbard will do in most instances.

Posted by: ALberto | Dec 14 2016 17:16 utc | 87


That is a worthy rant. I commend your use of the word 'fracking'.

And I commend this thread. Watching and analyzing the msm garbage constitutes torture. Please, people, find your best ways to heal when and where you can, and thank you for bringing these analyses to the rest of us.

Posted by: juliania | Dec 14 2016 17:48 utc | 88

The US Veterans that showed up at Standing Rock North Dakota to protect the First Nation people from Government forces were armed. Packing heat. I'm sure the CIA and other alphabet Federal agencies took note.

Remember Pat Tillman? I do.


Posted by: ALberto | Dec 14 2016 18:02 utc | 89

The Beast is wounded and pissed. The lunatics behind all this madness, from the 9/11 False Flag to Aleppo, aren't going to go quietly.
They have no morals or ethics, their only commandment is to grab more power and steal more wealth, so anything is possible in the coming weeks leading up to the possible change over to Trump.

And I do mean ANYTHING, even a mini-nuke detonated on US soil or at a Pentagon base, blamed on Russia or Iran.

Posted by: Greg Bacon | Dec 14 2016 18:33 utc | 90

Think of the children! (oh you're a bitter old cat lady who never had or wanted children?)
Think of the cats!

Re jfl @68: Tulsi Gabbard has connections to the "Indian national fascist party?" I admired her before, but now I think I'm in love.

Posted by: Donnie | Dec 14 2016 19:02 utc | 91

In a couple of years they will be in charge
And one will be our president
Ha ha ha ha
Oh no ...
You've Gotta Love Millennials - Micah Tyler

Posted by: From The Hague | Dec 14 2016 19:33 utc | 92

jfl @ 77 said..." the usa has degenerated into warring elite factions."

All by design of course, it is, what it's always been in any society, a CLASS war. With distractions to confuse the peons. Or, if you prefer, 99% vs. the 1%.

jawbone @ 84.. Yep!

Posted by: ben | Dec 14 2016 19:53 utc | 93

jabone @ 85: Thanks for the link...

Posted by: ben | Dec 14 2016 19:55 utc | 94

@Thirdeye #31:

The right may argue with you, but the left will just scream at you. The SJW left is the new Religious Right.

My thoughts exactly. The Republican party used to be the party of crazies, but now it's the Dem party. And it's not just SJWs: now the Dem party is also the party of Russia haters.

The Repubs were the main Russia bashers when the Russkies were commies. But now they are not commies but have embraced a kind of conservative nationalism, which involves rejection of multiculturalism and postmodernism. So now Russia has an ideology that liberals hate, whereas before, it had an ideology that conservatives hate.

The Repubs are meanwhile losing their craziness thanks to Trump, although it remains to be seen how far that will extend beyond foreign policy and cultural conservatism.

@CluelessJoe #41:

Your average young progressive / SJW might know that MSM can be shit and report bogus occasionally, he might have seen it already. He hasn't yet the cumulated experience to see that it's the standard behaviour

Maybe not, but if he were an authentic leftist, he would be familiar with Chomsky's critique of the corporate media and US imperialism, and would have a profound distrust of the establishment media for that reason.

Also, the Western news media has not always been as bad as it presently is, so the experience of a long lifetime is not really that informative for that reason. According to off guardian, the new normal of producing nothing but uninterrupted blatant lies occurred after the 2014 Ukrainian coup.

The reason I quickly came to the conclusion that everything the media says about Trump is a lie wasn't my lifetime observation of the media, but seeing how the media covers Russia since 2014.

Demian is now known as Adalbrand

Posted by: Adalbrand | Dec 14 2016 20:19 utc | 95

Hey Alaric #2-- don't you know that Syria has been the target of US govt sanctions continuously since 1979? What's left to "sanction" there?

Posted by: Helena | Dec 14 2016 20:32 utc | 96

I just caught the Tulsi Gabbard Stop Arming Terrorists Act from ZH. I wonder how long until she finds herself up against well-funded opposition to drive her out like Cynthia McKinney. I like Gabbard's efforts even if a bit late. But don't expect any MSM attention to this. It's not part of the agenda.

Posted by: Curtis | Dec 14 2016 20:35 utc | 97

Experience 'fake news' right here right now

Click on this link and try posting a negative comment. Try posting any comment.

Posted by: ALberto | Dec 14 2016 20:55 utc | 98

This ‘fake news’ meme or strident shilling, now hapless squeaking, on the part of a section of the Gvmt. and MSM is but a desperate effort to uphold their own ‘ersatz’ -as in made up, transformed, spun, etc.- news.

“They” are outraged and incredulous, and as usual accuse others of what they do themselves, as they have not the imagination to grasp anything different. How could it be that other, alt. news - sites, youtubies, other outlets, pundits, etc.- contradict, contest, demolish, mock and spit on, or even mildly question what “we” put out?

How on earth can that be? As “we” have the power to send all the messages all the time through any conduit? How come? We control the MSM, all of it, all the time, we let crazed wild loopy commentators or even consp. theorists have their say, occupy their space, what a glorious testimony to DEMOCRACY + FREE SPEECH, all stellar, part of a “vibrant” society.

…Huh…? Plus, “we” pay thousands of people to control the ‘narrative’, invest hugely in that (e.g. Control the Record, and so on) and now what?

Russians! Trump!

Posted by: Noirette | Dec 14 2016 20:55 utc | 99

I agree the MSM became uniformly awful around the time of Ukraine Coup 2014.

Posted by: jayc | Dec 14 2016 21:22 utc | 100

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