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November 7, 2016
U.S. Election Thread 2016-06
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When it’s a choice between Cervantes and Machiavelli, on that island we all are being castaway upon, I will vote Cervantes every time.
Jill Stein.
Posted by: juliania | Nov 8 2016 17:04 utc | 101
@ Jack Smith 30.
Some Dems said they prefered single payer so I wondered how they could support the monstrosity of Obamacare. Back in campaign 2008 we knew the fix was in when Hillary and Obama both said their programs would be partnerships with the insurance industry … which I detest. I had fun with UHC 4 yr ago denying my in network charges in order to drain the HSA. I had to fight to get that righted only to have to fight the billing companies to get my money back. More recently I broke my collarbone w/no insurance but it was the month after the 60 day period after losing a job w/COBRA papers and unemployment court win delayed for same period. And the cheapest program for 2017 when unemployment runs out is $600/mo and only covers physicals and nothing else until after $7000 deductible. I do not like the idea of govt/politicized healthcare but any good option to what we have isn’t going anywhere because there’s no profit in it.
Posted by: Curtis | Nov 8 2016 17:13 utc | 102
@ RudyM 95.
You guys have topless entertainment at your polls? Wow. All you need now is some alcohol. Why have voting at schools and churches anyway?
Posted by: Curtis | Nov 8 2016 17:18 utc | 103
Posted by: Martin Finnucane | Nov 8, 2016 10:43:39 AM | 92
Try this with your wife:
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/152734465316/unhypnotizing-a-clinton-supporter
Posted by: From The Hague | Nov 8 2016 17:19 utc | 104
Assange Statement on the US-Election. By Julian Assange
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-08/julian-assange-issues-statement-us-election
In recent months, WikiLeaks and I personally have come under enormous pressure to stop publishing what the Clinton campaign says about itself to itself. That pressure has come from the campaign’s allies, including the Obama administration, and from liberals who are anxious about who will be elected US President.
On the eve of the election, it is important to restate why we have published what we have.
The right to receive and impart true information is the guiding principle of WikiLeaks – an organization that has a staff and organizational mission far beyond myself. Our organization defends the public’s right to be informed……
Posted by: Jack Smith | Nov 8 2016 17:27 utc | 106
Below is an excerpt (link at bottom) from Wahhabism, the Muslim Brotherhood and the Deep State. As you can see, it has an election tie-in.
“In addition to the neo-conservative and liberal factions, as well as the Israel lobby, we find the ideological component of Wahhabi Islam and the Muslim Brotherhood participating in the US political system, playing an important role in the fashioning of American foreign policy. Suffice it to say that this trio has for more than two decades completely dominated the choices about foreign policy of the United States, with dire consequences. The Muslim Brotherhood, a creation inspired by the British MI6 in the early 1900s to fight nationalism and Arab governments with communist inclinations, quickly became the spiritual fathers of the Afghan freedom fighters. It is a monster that has continued to morph in our day from the Taliban in Afghanistan to Al Qaeda in the late 1990s to the 2000s, and currently metamorphosing into Al Nusra Front/Daesh. Of course in each of its historical iterations, Islamic extremism has been fomented and directed against nations hostile to American imperialism.
“In recent years the once peaceful Arab Spring turned into violent riots thanks to the ideological inspiration of movements such as Saudi Wahhabism or the Muslim Brotherhood. This distorted view of Islam has often been the catalyst transforming initially peaceful movements into violent anti-government clashes. The Wahhabi ideology and the Muslim Brotherhood’s political interpretation of Islam unites such capitals as Riyadh, Doha and Ankara with those fighting for the Islamic caliphate, namely Al Nusra Front/Al Qaeda. US geopolitical ambitions have increased over the years through terrorist attacks and the consequent destabilization of nations opposed to Washington. The use of terrorism as a geopolitical weapon is not new for the United States when one remembers the stay-behind networks that operated in Europe during the Cold War.
“This conglomerate of power has in the last 30 years guided American foreign policy, justifying interventions in foreign countries under the pretext of fighting terrorism (Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan), or by using terrorism as a tool of destabilization (Syria, Egypt, Yemen). Consequently, the Wahabi/Brotherhood component continues to play to this day a major role in the constant quest for global supremacy by the US deep state.”
http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/11/08/abedin-clinton-and-american-deep-state.html
Posted by: Robert Beal | Nov 8 2016 18:42 utc | 107
Kalen @ 74, I must say the content of this thread surprised me as well. I understand – or can at least sympathise with those who abstain, support / vote Stein, or Trump, or any ‘other move’ against HRC, but the fundamental and underlying issues are elsewhere. Imho though this election is nonetheless pivotal and raises many crucial questions – socio-cultural, political, financial, international politics, citizen awareness, etc., long list.
So some ‘technical’ comments / analysis (like h at 92) are interesting to me, as I think it a grave error to ignore what happens on Level 1 “reality”, out of let’s arbitrarily state 3 (Level 1: where the comptrollers serve up their sh¡te, juggle, to turn Brit) and simply dismiss it all out of hand as bread and circuses.
I guess I’d better keep mum and leave it be.
Posted by: Noirette | Nov 8 2016 18:49 utc | 108
Are there really any accidents in what we call history? The approach of Russian naval reinforcements, the slowing down of those ships, as they take positions off the Syrian coast on the day of US elections: is this coincidence? The whole sequence and coordination of “chances” is methodically narrowed down to the point where chance is negated. I hope this is not too negative a view.
Sisyphus is a mythic hero because despite the fact that he cannot escape his burden, or the judgment laid upon him for his shortcomings, he still refuses to capitulate. In the everlasting world of myth and spirit, the Stone he rolls must always exist, as must the condition to which he is yoked, as well as the resolve still burning in his heart. “One must imagine that Sisyphus is happy”, as Camus once wrote. What is he, after all, in the event of separation from his task? How is that task not identical with being in the world?
The delusions of good people can lead, in the end, to the same tragic world that is pursued by those immoral actors whose bad faith is so evident.
Just for any of those reading who can still vote; good — vote late — harder to coordinate the subvertible election machines. Here are a few informative videos for those too sick of it all to keep on reading.
(+) hillary Wants No Fly Zone Over Syria [first 35 sec in][yes, she STILL insists on this]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74EvJieIqbM
— This will finally let us know if the Russian S-400 SAM (surface-to-air) interceptor missile (a system is capable of destroying airborne targets as far as 250 miles away, at speeds that are just… ridiculous) can take out the U.S. Lockheed-Martin F-22 Raptor, a fifth-generation (super advanced, and pricey), all-weather stealth tactical fighter aircraft.
(+) Trump: Wouldn’t it be nice if we get along with Russia [first 1 min, 10 sec in]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBqvhafoUBY
— Of course Trump is “deplorable”, at least according to many of his rants. But he wants to avoid WW-III, a battle which would set back social justice activism considerably.
(+) BREAKING: JILL STEIN ENDORSES DONALD TRUMP [SORT OF][1 min., 15 sec.]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBqvhafoUBY
— Dr. Stein almost (but not quite) agrees with me.
(+) Edward Snowden Speaks About Hillary Clinton Emails, Trump And Freedom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZWb0JNFlYw
— Speaks for itself.
(+) VIDEO: DESPERATE OBAMA TELLS ILLEGALS TO VOTE [at: 4 min, 35 sec in] [Alex Jones]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6xMkepEZRA
— Yeah, Alex Jones is a “libertarian” blow-hard; but this clip seems to have been scrubbed from everywhere else.
(+) MAGA WARS: The Last Hope (Donald Trump Star Wars Parody)
— A great fun video. Super-creative.
(+) With Single-Bid (“Plurality”) Voting You Only Have Two Candidates To Choose From
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2016/10/433619.shtml
— My ubiquitous boilerplate cry in the darkness.
None of these videos are too long, and they get to the point good and quick.
See you all on the other side.
Posted by: blues | Nov 8 2016 19:58 utc | 110
(+) MAGA WARS: The Last Hope (Donald Trump Star Wars Parody)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQsP9xTklYQ
(Mistaken omission.)
Posted by: blues | Nov 8 2016 20:21 utc | 111
@90 notlurking.. you might be right.. he makes a few interesting comments either way and has written some fairly insightful books – blink and etc.. he is a canuck, so what can he know? lol..
Posted by: james | Nov 8 2016 20:35 utc | 112
Tobin @ 98, One day you must post what you find convincing about the AGW argument. I challenge
you to do so. I will factually disprove it.
Posted by: Penelope | Nov 8 2016 20:39 utc | 113
Copeland @ 109: “The delusions of good people can lead, in the end, to the same tragic world that is pursued by those immoral actors whose bad faith is so evident.”
At what point does willful refusal to look at reasoned argument, visual evidence, and impeccably documented data qualify as cause for guilt? I begin to find belief in fairytales less than charming.
Posted by: Penelope | Nov 8 2016 20:54 utc | 114
From Zerohedge today: “As a reminder, Joseph Jankowski of Planet Free Will previously explained, a U.K. based company that has provided voting machines for 16 states, including important battleground states like Florida and Arizona, has direct ties with billionaire leftist and Clinton crusader George Soros.”
Apart from the complete inappropriateness of the word “leftist” to describe Soros is there nowhere or nothing this evil creature has not got his filthy claws into?
Posted by: Lochearn | Nov 8 2016 21:12 utc | 115
Voting Machine “Irregularities” Reported in Utah, Tennessee, Pennsylvania, & North Carolina
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-08/voting-machine-irregularities-reported-utah-tennessee-pennsylvania-north-carolina
Posted by: blues | Nov 8 2016 21:27 utc | 116
16 of 24 years of Clinton/Obama has bro’t us Trump. the people who run this country don’t want to have to put up w/trump’s mouth. that’s the only difference b/n the two. they’ll get in office, either of them, & do the same thing, one with yale-flavored words, the other sputtering incoherently for cletus & brandine about how great it’ll be when he’s in office. (“don’t worry about it. we’re going to fix it. it’ll be great.” he’ll be saying that two years from now.)
i refuse to waste my time voting. but if stuck b/n these two choices, trump has far, far less blood on his hands, so there’s your lesser evil. plus enough already of these boring ass PBS snooze hour politicians. put someone up there who embarrasses the hell out of the NYT readers & CFR circle. at least it’ll be fun.
Posted by: jason | Nov 8 2016 21:41 utc | 117
http://katehon.com/article/clinton-war-trump-freedom
Clinton is War, Trump is Freedom
08.11.2016
Alexander Dugin
Today, the fate of mankind is being decided. The question is very clear: war or peace? The USA is the only hyper-power, and elections are going to be held in this country today. Oh, what elections these are! For the first time in many decades, the two candidates embody two alternative paths of development for the United States and, accordingly, for humanity as a whole.
Hillary Clinton is the path of globalism, the unipolar world, and the continuation of US hegemony. Under the present circumstances in which American might is collapsing in all regions of the world, a Clinton victory means war – war against everyone who opposes US hegemony and chooses the multipolar world instead of the unipolar one. Clinton is the old world order, the one which was formed in the early 1990’s. This order is coming to an end, but it does not want to be ended. And this means agony. The agony of a small state or nation is one thing. It is scary and dangerous, even toxic. But the agony of a global hyper-power is a monstrous challenge for the whole world, for all of mankind. It is like a titan falling into the abyss. It can easily drag all the others down with it. In fact, Clinton is a genuinely possessed candidate. But not only by virtue of her personal qualities. Rather, her individual obsession reflects the madness of the globalist elites. They still rule the world, but their time is running out. They no longer attract or seduce anyone. People obey them only out of fear and weakness. Hillary Clinton is an image of the insane Great Mother Cybele who castrated her loved ones. She bears the matriarchal element of horror that demands submission without guaranteeing anything in return. Clinton means war.
Donald Trump is the America that we almost lost. This is a huge country inhabited by rustic, naive, and strong-willed people who are each busy with their own personal issues, establishing businesses and companies, work and amusement, but they are all Trump’s Americans for one reason: they want to feel free. That’s it. Trump’s supporters are the characters from Ken Kesey’s novel One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest, the psychiatric clinic patients ruled by the Big Mother, the chief nurse Mildred Ratched – Big Nurse as Big Mother. They see that the globalist elite of Wall Street, the maniacs of the Federal Reserve System, and the ultra-liberals are depriving ordinary Americans of what is most important to them: their identity. As Patrick Buchanan said, America subjugated the world, but it lost itself. The only way out for the the real America, the America of freedom, is direct democracy and dignity. This is Donald Trump. In him there is hope for peace with other peoples, Americans’ return home to their “city on a hill” which has long since been out of sight, forgotten, and abandoned by the transnational elite, the neocons, and the global schemers of the CFR who don’t care about America. Trump’s America is an America returning to its roots, an America focused on its domestic situation and renouncing hegemony and global strategies. Such an America could become not only a partner, but a sincere friend to all other nations and peoples. Trump is Randle Patrick McMurphy from Ken Kesey’s One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest. He rebelled against Big Nurse to free all the others. He encouraged them to have faith in themselves and rid them of their fear of the Big Mother’s black magic. Trump’s battle against Hillary is also a psychoanalytical drama. It is the independent, patriarchal male leaving behind the castrated spell of aggressive and harsh femininity.
Trump’s America is an America of men – rustic and clumsy, but quite charming.
Everything is going to be decided today. Hillary’s victory could mean the end of the world. This needs to be prepared for. She has become a hostage of the forces that have hedged their bet on her. Most likely, she is hopelessly ill and is maintained only by the most effective medical drugs and doping. But this doesn’t change anything. The devil himself will rule America and partially the rest of the world from behind her back. The situation is always the same: the witches themselves are nowhere nearly as terrifying as their black lord. The Gospel says that perversion will come into the world, but woe unto him through whom it comes.
Trump’s victory means a complete restart of the global system. America will be great again, but no longer the only pole. This means that Americans and other peoples will have freedom. And the name of this freedom is Donald Trump.
In any case, the world will be a different place tomorrow. Either much worse than it is now or much better. But only one thing is clear: the world will never be the same again.
Posted by: Perimetr | Nov 8 2016 22:02 utc | 118
Penelope @ 114
My take on the AGW is that the Global Warming component of it, is a muddied, and pointless political football. We are looking at Anthropomorphic Ecocide, AE. And that indeed does include ocean dead zones, Fukushima and radioactive byproducts of the weapons industry, untreated sewage and toxic chemical effluents and other waste, the burning of rainforest, covert weather modification, covert biological warfare, runaway extraction economy, and subversive climate policy. But the over-hyped, donnybrook over Global Warming is,–if you will pardon me–a lot of hot air.
But AE or GSW, means “exhaustion of the natural world” just as Chris Hedges so neatly puts it; and it is the fundamental process leading to wars, and subsequently to our own extinction. And this is anthropomorphic to a tee.
@Curtis | Nov 8, 2016 12:13:29 PM | 102
I sympathy your heath issue, hang on dun give up hope. Obomocare is for profit, no one should make profits in healthcare and Education. Came to the conclusion damn fucking Dem. vote them OUT.
Have no regret voting early yesterday in California for Dr. Jill Stein. Took Jackrabbit advice and “Vote Trump in swing states. Vote Jill everywhere else.”
Posted by: Jack Smith | Nov 8 2016 22:22 utc | 120
Trump freedom Clinton slavery.
Today I know what it means to be helplessly hoping.oy.
Posted by: dahoit | Nov 8 2016 22:45 utc | 121
RT live streaming on Amerika 2016 presidential election. Complete new format, reporters in key battlegrounds States.
https://www.rt.com/on-air/
Posted by: Jack Smith | Nov 8 2016 22:48 utc | 122
118
Alexander Dugin’s castration anxieties seem just a bit overwrought, like his prose.
When he writes this he could be on to something:
Everything is going to be decided today. Hillary’s victory could mean the end of the world. This needs to be prepared for. She has become a hostage of the forces that have hedged their bet on her. Most likely, she is hopelessly ill and is maintained only by the most effective medical drugs and doping. But this doesn’t change anything. The devil himself will rule America and partially the rest of the world from behind her back. The situation is always the same: the witches themselves are nowhere nearly as terrifying as their black lord. The Gospel says that perversion will come into the world, but woe unto him through whom it comes.
But his idealizing of Donald Trump as the nation’s or the world’s immanent salvation is, in its own way, a kind of cult idolatry, and a deluded oversimplification.
Tobin Paz | Nov 8, 2016 11:47:06 AM | 98
What I am seeing is a vicious divide that has been made much worse by the Democrats.
What I saw at KOS supports that.
AFAIC this started big time w/2000 election: repub manipulations were off the charts, then again in Ohio in ’04. The dems refused to stand up. And this is what happens when folks do that: eg. begin to fight on the terms of corrupt “enemy”.
Now we’ve got 2 of them.
Stealing the nomination from Sanders is unforgivable.
Yep.
Reality will eventually change people who don’t believe in global warming.
Sadly, I wouldn’t count on that. A lot of people take self-destructive beliefs to their grave.
We are in deep shit.
On this I agree. Bigger problem, to get enough people to agree on principled solutions that work. Can’t even get to the starting line on this without everything breaking down. Almost like the Tower of Babel.
in re 83 —
Given that you financiers were a critical part of it, I’m surprised you mislabel the stagnation of real wages for us 99 pct. since ca. 1980. That would be an erosion, not an explosion.
Posted by: rufus magister | Nov 8 2016 23:37 utc | 125
Whatever there is to say about the (USA) election …
‘May God have Mercy on your Souls’, lol.
Posted by: chipnik | Nov 9 2016 0:40 utc | 126
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The sweater chewers on the Climate Chains Brigade seem to have lost perspective. At the 3mm a year in sea rise, it will take a CENTURY until low-lying Florida is underwater. The United States won’t survive another decade, so you’ll excuse me if I ignore your Illuminati Wealth Transfer pogrom. Like the Cold War and the Yinon Plan, that plow don’t scour. And if you don’t know what that means, wtf are you to be talking about Global Whateverwesayitistoday?
Posted by: chipnik | Nov 9 2016 0:46 utc | 127
Buttsore response, rufass.
Your slipping. Time to pack it in.
Oh, and don’t redirect to your wife or family. We’ve seen that too many times. Your credibility is shot. Your cover is blown.
Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 9 2016 0:46 utc | 128
Inquiring minds want to know…
How did Deez Nuts do?
Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 9 2016 0:48 utc | 129
Here’s where I’m following the results, since I don’t have a TV plugged in:
NY Times
chipnik @ 127
And if you don’t know what that means, wtf are you to be talking about Global Whateverwesayitistoday?
Physics doesn’t give a rip about your geo-political/economic “illuminati” theories, regardless of their contextual relevance at given points in time. $$, or controlling them, has -0- affect on gravity. Whether you, the Rothchilds or any other declaration of life long victim-hood you choose to embrace, this planet from it’s core, to the outer reaches of the atmosphere is an interconnected system. It’s going to do what it has to do, in increasingly understood ways… & simply does not care one iota about humans’ ignorance & stupidity.
You blather is utterly irrelevant wrt climate.
At the 3mm a year in sea rise
Ahhh… you’re stuck well in the past with long outdated denier (made up) data.
Look good for Trump. Trump heading for an early victory? California polling stations still open, more than an hour before closing.
Watch live streaming RT.
https://www.rt.com/on-air/
Posted by: Jack Smith | Nov 9 2016 2:53 utc | 133
@135 dh.. big money doesn’t like the look of a trump win..
Posted by: james | Nov 9 2016 3:42 utc | 136
@136 Wall Street definitely prefers Hillary. It will be interesting to see how the MSM handles a Trump win after all the crap they’ve slung at him.
Posted by: dh | Nov 9 2016 3:49 utc | 137
Can we all just agree that watching the Clintons burn is music to out parched souls? Think about that you stick-in-the-muds, before you attempt to poison the jubilee. God bless us everyone.
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Nov 9 2016 3:52 utc | 138
All the NBC schlubs are dead in the eyes right now. Take me now, Jesus!
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Nov 9 2016 3:53 utc | 139
What I am seeing is a vicious divide that has been made much worse by the Democrats. Stealing the nomination from Sanders is unforgivable.
Hillary’s going down. This is Karma for all Democrats and what they did to Bernie. Actually Bernie was right all along; he had a better chance of beating Trump than Hillary. Proof: Trump is turning blue rust states that Bernie won in the primaries; Wisconsin, New Hampshire and Michigan. They should have listened to him; but Democrats are downright vicious and stupid. If they lose these blue states that Bernie would have delivered; they deserve to lose to Trump. There will be a lot of Democrats wailing and kicking themselves tomorrow.
I don’t care if Bernie caved to Hillary’s nomination, and you could tell he was very reluctant at first. What was done to him is turning into bad karma for Hillary and I’m loving this.
Posted by: Circe | Nov 9 2016 4:00 utc | 140
Yesterday I drafted and failed to post a piece on the amerikan election which didn’t consider the pronouncements of the media ‘the news’ but instead considered the tone of what the media were saying – for want of a better label the ‘meta news’.
Traditionally in the last week of an election campaign the self described quality press ease up on the propaganda and adopt a more balanced approach to the options. They may have just spent the last 6-9 months selling one candidate and berating the other but editors like to be able to claim they were balanced and since the general belief is that by the last week everyone has already decided the propagandists of the elite begin to pretend they have been objective by being more objective in their late coverage.
Remember too that msm operates on the mindset that it is the last story they spun that ‘matters’ anything preceding it just doesn’t count.
The Graun is the only fishwrap I read daily close to cover to cover. Life is too short to absorb more than one of these deceivers and while I disagree with the graun on virtually everything it says about clinton, corbyn & the disaster that is Syria, they do on occasion still let readers comment on some stuff – tho never ever ever israel.
Anyway over the weekend the graun appeared to be easing up on donald trump just a tad & not being as slanderous as it was just two weeks prior, but Monday morning’s edition was back in the hate trump mode which had me rather puzzled – “maybe they don’t care to claim objectivity any more perhaps they believe that enough neolibs read this rag to keep it afloat”.
That last was hard to swallow as the graun just like most fishwraps is in dire financial straits.
The monday attack could indicate the graun’s proprietors (the Scott ‘Trust’) were freaking at the latest poll results and decided “Damn the appearances full slander ahead”.
I couldn’t see it as I just couldn’t comprehend that the conniving DNC combined with the mendacious madam Clinton could fuck up the campaign so badly, so I didn’t post – but it appears my instincts may have been correct even if I lacked the will to display that instinct – even now I’m conflicted – I loathe racism and still carry the scars of battles against apartheid – but I loathe the possibility of the world ending in a series of blinding bright flashes even more.
I’m sure I’m far from the only human hugely conflicted by the result.
Are you paying attention DNC? Do you now understand that screwing with people’s ability to exist is on a whole other plane of priorities than that which supports ‘identity politics’ – that normal decent humans can be pushed to the point where they consider passively permitting the loss of power & status for other more disadvantaged humans a lesser evil than watching their own families go down the gurgler? or will you need to read a mob of ‘peer evaluated papers before you can accept the obvious?
Posted by: Debsisdead | Nov 9 2016 4:10 utc | 141
Correction: Trump won in rust state Ohio and is carrying rust state Michigan. Bernie won in Michigan, Wisconsin and New Hampshire and Trump is carrying all three.
Posted by: Circe | Nov 9 2016 4:15 utc | 142
Another blue rust state Trump is doing well in: Pennsylvania
Posted by: Circe | Nov 9 2016 4:24 utc | 144
I told you guys he’d win. Cuz enuf American’s starting waking-up. We have lots for which to atone. Starting tomorrow. Cheers.
Posted by: Take Me | Nov 9 2016 4:47 utc | 145
Funniest thing I’ve seen in a long time is http://www.foreignpolicy.com deciding to drop their paywall for 2 days so that The Great Unwashed can go there and read all those articles giving their oh-so-sage advice to President-elect Clinton.
Go over there and have a read: the misplaced arrogance is a hoot.
My guess is they’ll raise that paywall asap, all the better to wipe that egg off their face in private.
Posted by: Yeah, Right | Nov 9 2016 4:50 utc | 146
So one important lesson everyone should be getting from this outcome: Don’t trust a word the lame-stream Zio-media try to force-feed you. The Zio-media pushers have egg all over their faces. It’s a joy to see how lame they look. Bunch of losers.
Posted by: Circe | Nov 9 2016 5:31 utc | 148
To quote Nobel Bob, from his great song Mississippi, “Things should start to get interesting right about now”.
Posted by: jonku | Nov 9 2016 6:38 utc | 149
@ jonku
I more am thinking of his Ballad of a thin man with the refrain
because something is happening here but you don’t know what it is
do you, Mr. Jones?
Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 9 2016 6:57 utc | 150
So all those polls came to naught!!!! Talk about agenda driven “reporting”.. I think it’s high time these selv serving media orginanizations stop taking their audience for fools. People can smell BS when they see one.
It was funny seeing all the self appointed “exprts” and “interlectuals” tell us who’s going to win and such BS.
A Trump in the WH???? Yikes!!!!!
Posted by: Zico | Nov 9 2016 7:18 utc | 151
LOL! Hilary has left the building Podesta announced she isn’t gonna speak to the campaign workers tonight.
How much you wanna bet Hill & Bill have grabbed their passports, a coupla bags of loot & hit the airport.
Or has Clinton chicaned a win in Pennsylvania? It has been just announced that 10% of votes have suddenly been found ‘uncounted’ on the voting machines.
Posted by: Debsisdead | Nov 9 2016 7:32 utc | 153
NEOCON Purge coming up.
Draw up the lists folks. Draw ’em up.
By the way – Russia should do nothing in Syria until Putin has met with Trump.
@ Julian who wrote: By the way – Russia should do nothing in Syria until Putin has met with Trump.
I call BS on that. Russia has waited long enough because of US politics to finish the job it started.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 9 2016 7:53 utc | 155
The over the top, colluding crusade against The Don was seen through. You cant deny the dems their natural chance at reformation under Bernie then send out a doped up shell of a reptile 3 times in 2 months in front of a crowd then try to get Lady Gaga to get you home. Hahaha. Laughable. Eat shit Jay Z. I watched you everyday, so hows your predictive models now FiveThirtyEight.com…? Nate Silver, what’s the fucking story you champion muppet…forgot to consider the corruption skew in your fotecasts…? 70.4% chance Hillary the day before? 85% for most of the campaign…? You can shove your fancy algorithms squarely in your rectal cavity. Not only has The Don destroyed the Rethugs, but now the Dems and the MSM. The peoples wrecking ball. Eat that shit up.
It was Bernie’s time…so…sadly, fuck you Bernie too.. for not having the balls to fight Hellbitch for the people who stood up for you. Then supporting her…?
Posted by: MadMax2 | Nov 9 2016 7:55 utc | 156
@148 circe, ‘Don’t trust a word the lame-stream Zio-media try to force-feed you’
@151 zico, ‘Talk about agenda driven “reporting”.. I think it’s high time these self-serving media organizations stop taking their audience for fool’
I am so happy that Hillary was beaten … and that the entire ‘progressive’ jackass mob was brought down along with her. Only thing I’m unhappy about is that Trump won. I’ll be looking at the ‘other’ total. Only one with any real meaning for me.
Posted by: jfl | Nov 9 2016 7:56 utc | 157
@ jfl who wrote: I’ll be looking at the ‘other’ total. Only one with any real meaning for me.
I would be interested in reading what you find out because I am not seeing a thing about “other”.
The worrisome thing for me is the justification some are going to take for more racism, sexism, American elitism, etc. I don’t see Trump as the savior many do for American society and instead believe that we have just become a third world country with a tin pot dictator that won’t have the balls to take down private finance on one hand while he cuts taxes for the rich on the other. I think that means for most that they will be worse off than before and the adjustment will be difficult…..but maybe it will wake folks up to see through the fog.
Will countries stop buying US Treasuries now? While I want that to happen I don’t look forward to living through the transition…..Trump is no FDR
America is in freefall
Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 9 2016 8:18 utc | 158
Told you so. I remember way back when saying that Killary could not win. b agreed with me (I remember that because as the owner his opinion counts) as did several other ppl. Soon after Trump was solidly on the scene, I said he would win by a landslide. (I once conceded that is was marginally possible that if it was a closish call rigging would throw it to Killary, with dire and unpredictable results.) And I posted all kinds of indicators. I held back on some (e.g. the expat vote, there are 6 million or more expats after all, the hispanic vote, the never-voted-befores, the Berniebro switchers, etc.) because I felt I was getting tiresome.
Posted by: Noirette | Nov 9 2016 8:28 utc | 159
@jfl, psychohistorian
I have enjoyed both you guys’ commentary in here since lurking the boards, so I feel bad for the fact that it had to get so bad. But it’s happening now, and the true progressives will now have a shot in 4 years and take control hopefully. I think this just the forest fire you need that still has to happen in the other lapdog lackey western countries (except UK who are norlw rallying behind Corbyn after the UKIP firestorm). The 28 year family spell is broken…the spell that had, with Hillary, finally co-opted and corrupted all systems around it – everything except the people…
The ‘Fuck You’ vote won, and the paradigm shifts once again…the first election where online presence truly told the story against what was programmed for us in the ‘old media’
Posted by: MadMax2 | Nov 9 2016 8:29 utc | 160
@159 Noirette
I’ve been watching you line up for your ‘I told you so’ for months … that and – used to be a dime, now probably a buck – will get you a cup of coffee 🙂
@160 mm2 ‘the true progressives will now have a shot in 4 years and take control hopefully’
Other than your choice of words … progressives smells like liberals to me … I agree completely. No one to blame but ourselves from here on in. If Donald Trump can get himself elected there’s no reason in the world why the people of the United States … or any other country, cannot choose a saner, more humane man or woman from among our-/themselves to be executive of our/their representative government.
Even if there were no ‘others’ to speak of in the election … of if there were 16% – 10 times our total in 2012 … our work is still cut out for us. We need 51% – in each of our congressional districts in 2018.
A year from now – maybe some few months from now – you won’t be able to find anyone who’ll admit they voted for Trump. And if you do you’ll want to stay away from them.
But he has to put together a whole new machine.
And crime did not pay for the Hill/Billy Clintons.
Between the Clintons and Trump they have gassed the menagerie. The ‘poor critters’ never knew what hit them.
No more living with the animals down in jungle land … well, ‘new’ things are possible now. See if we take advantage of our situation … or if we boot it, again.
Posted by: jfl | Nov 9 2016 8:52 utc | 161
Here’s what it look like in Thailand …
Confidence Gives Way to Dread at Bangkok Election Party Todd Ruiz, Editor (the farang manager hired by the ‘smart money’ responsible for all the AP stories)
Donald Trump, New President of the United States AP
Thai Gov’t: Trump Presidency Won’t Affect Longstanding Ties Teeranai Charuvastra, Staff Reporter
Trump Says Clinton Called and Congratulated Him AP
European Stocks Open Lower as Trump Wins AP
Prospect of Trump Presidency Unnerves Companies, Economists AP
Russia’s Parliament Applauds Trump Election AP
Posted by: jfl | Nov 9 2016 9:01 utc | 162
@ jfl – various places,
There is sound concordance with your stance about Dr. Jill Stein – That is exactly how a political campaign should conduct itself, sound and appear like. Regret fully there was no conversation about political realities prior to D(ecision)-Day. In such absence, only a monologue ensued, impoverished by the lack of seriously conducted dialogue; now that is water passed under the bridge – all are diminished thereby. The citizen has spoken with enough volume to overcome the suspected nefarious vote count fiddling now ubiquitous in the national polling system; that was my basic concern. Now, it is of paramount importance that the public gaze is maintained and strong pressure is brought to bear upon those holding public office, not loosening the noose of res publica approbation upon their actions. It is saddening that not returning the incumbent did not catch hold; the House of Representatives could have been modified from ‘an old boy’s club’ into a ‘new members forum’ to conduct public affairs, the Senate would have moved a third of the way to that place (the House would flip to Ds, the Senate to greater equilibrium between Rs and Ds), but that wasn’t to be – the days, weeks and months ahead will be telling another story. It will be pleasant to see yourself back to providing immeasurably to the links found here and not pursuing your political chimera.
Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Nov 9 2016 9:12 utc | 163
@FTB 163
it is of paramount importance that the public gaze is maintained and strong pressure is brought to bear upon those holding public office, not loosening the noose of res publica approbation upon their actions.
I couldn’t agree more with this. A lot of the decay in values in the western economies comes from the fact, like it or loathe it, that ‘worlds best practice’ is followed – in this age that means following what ever the US sets as an example. The decay in the rule of law in the US has let everyone down.
Trump has a unique mandate in that he is not a career politician and is an outsider, reviled. While he won’t go as far to see those he defeated, and previous presidents stand trial for war crimes (which in a sane world needs to happen) he can reintroduce the rule of law from the elite down, not the bottom up. I hope this experience has affected Trump enough to get tough.
Without reintroducing the rule of law first (which is what Putin is attempting on a global level – he’s that far ahead) any potential fix or gain will be negated. Trump could be the best, but the worst. A proper Wildcard.
What are the odds Hillary ends up in New Zealand…? Will captain Obama make good on his remarks and move to Canada…? Some patriot if so. This is the neoliberalist scum that sold America to the highest bidder – the western hemisphere copied.
There’s the door Hill and Barry, tell your fucking story walking.
Posted by: MadMax2 | Nov 9 2016 9:40 utc | 164
Maxie,
She’s gotta ask herself – how welcome would she be here?
Do average Kiwis like war criminal election losers?
It’s a bit like hiding away a white, female, dodgily wealthy version of Pol Pot.
The Uruwera Raids, utter in your face Helen Clark’s cuckoldery to Zionist TPTB as they were, were one thing. Bullying fat-arsed Kim Dot Com, likewise (although he paid back the Clintons big time this time around – guess who was behind some of the Wikileaks breaches??).
But to accept and hide away a genuine persona non grata in her own homeland, likely to be prosecuted by them soon… I wouldn’t want to be a Kiwi PM in charge of that PR fiasco.
Posted by: QUadriad | Nov 9 2016 9:49 utc | 165
@160
The ‘Fuck You’ vote won
Excellent headline for exactly what happened.
Posted by: Circe | Nov 9 2016 10:11 utc | 166
Re: Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 9, 2016 2:53:06 AM | 155
No – Putin doesn’t need to do anything more in Syria now. He’s won.
He can tell the jihadis in East Aleppo – look, we’re offering you a passage out of there again – and this time – you better take it.
Your patrons lost – and you will soon find your supplies dry up completely. That date is January 20 or thereabouts.
There will be no mercy after that point. It will be the US & Russia together.
If I was a Saudi, I’d be really really really worried that the US will now do a proper investigation into 9-11 and Saudi Arabia will be blamed.
Taking down Saudi Arabia suits the US (as an energy country), suits Russia (as an energy superpower).
It also suits US frackers.
If you want to make a dime – invest NOW in US frackers. Once Saudi Arabia is degraded into a quasi-Libyan style state – they will be booming.
Every US President needs enemies – in terms of Donald Trump’s enemies I reckon I can give you a Top 5.
1. Saudi Arabia
2. North Korea
3. Qatar
4. China
5. Mexico (Not so much an enemy, as someone to be punished).
I would add, there is now a much greater risk of Russia being prised away from China – suddenly the West is on offer again for Putin (a man who could well be President until 2024 – same as Donald Trump).
@ Julian
What do I know about anything. I disagree that Russia will get “prised” away from China like you say. Please read this:
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2016-11/09/c_135815121.htm
I am just up and thought I would see the market had hit the circuit breakers form so much down volume but it seems to not be reflecting the same angst as last night. That said, the global plutocrats can make the market do anything they want, given their riches w/o losing any control…..they own private finance.
I initially said that the global plutocrats would see Trump as the “don’t throw me in the briar patch” candidate and that may still hold. After all, Trump is a wannabe one of them with a chip on his shoulder. I think he can be manipulated to their agenda.
From what I have seen it is still a very brainwashed world that is holding on to the BS memes of left/right. lib/conserv…yadda, yadda, yadda instead of waking up to the reality of the global plutocrats with their private finance and unfettered inheritance against the rest of us.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 9 2016 15:39 utc | 169
from what i gathered so far,
TRUMP gets elected cuz he promised a WALL which keeps the ‘mexican criminals’ out .
what the rest of the world want to know is,
how this ‘anti-war pragmatist’ gonna keep that
criminal murkkan armed foces IN ???
Posted by: denk | Nov 14 2016 2:58 utc | 170
Prez elect Trump,
*I will rebuild our military. It will be so strong, and so powerful, and so great. It will be so powerful and so great that we’ll never have to use it. Nobody’s going to mess with us, folks. Nobody.*
Ian Fleming’s law of probability predicted
as much !
Q.E.D.
so this is the ‘great white hope’ who promised
to ‘disengage murkkan military from the world’ ??
hehehehe
Posted by: denk | Nov 20 2016 3:37 utc | 171
so thats how this new messiah going to ‘make murkka great again’ ?
hehehehe
Posted by: denk | Nov 20 2016 9:26 utc | 172
why is the micc so bullish on trump’s win ? [1]
Lockheed Martin: Up 4.8 percent
Northrop Grumman: Up 5.1 percent
Raytheon: Up 6.2 percent
General Dynamics: Up 4.1 percent
L-3 Communications: Up 5.4 percent
Textron: Up 2.2 percent
Boeing: Up .76 percent
Huntington Ingalls: Up 6.5 percent
ask trump !
Prez elect Trump,
*I will rebuild our military. It will be so strong, and so powerful, and so great. It will be so powerful and so great that we’ll never have to use it. Nobody’s going to mess with us, folks. Nobody.*
hehehehe
[1]
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-real-winner-of-the-2016-elections-is-the-weapons-industry-military-contractors-stocks-soar/5557471
Posted by: denk | Nov 23 2016 3:07 utc | 173
170
‘The Wall’ isn’t just a wall, but Americans are too addle-brained to know that.
The wall was already built in part. Boeing had received an IDIQNB contract, they failed to complete the work, and yet were paid $10B anyway, because they needed the cash-flow to service the air refueling tanker contract, that Congress had to yank and rebid twice before they could get a Boeing win. It’s all rigged, folks.
http://www.defense.gov/News/Contracts A $B dollars a day, unaudited, forever.
The Wall legislation is already passed. It calls for UNLIMITED powers to the new DHS Czar to contract as IDIQNB for building Super Max prisons and for acquiring properties and buildings WITHOUT LIMIT, using 10,000s of mercenary contractor special prosecutors, hanging judges and prison guards. The centerpiece of this wall legislation calls for a $1B new Federal Secret Police, an SS, if you will.
Everyone is in total denial after the elections. Oh, Saint Donald will Drain the Swamp on His White Unicorn!! The ‘Muslim List’ is just ‘Vehr ahh yurr paypahs’. It applies to anyone considered a ‘terrorist’, including any American citizens. Keeping Gitmo open means you can be renditioned in your own country and tortured by the Federal Gestapo outside of US law, with no right to an attorney, no right to even notify your family you have been disappeared. Read the damn legislation!!
I wrote about this issue repeatedly until it faded from the news when Obama and Rodham didn’t have the votes to execute it. Now Trump does. This is the Fourth Reich of 1,000 Years, folks, you’d better get your affairs and family in order. Anyone who thought this was all tin-foil hat, can just look at who Trump has already appointed to positions in his Cabinet, and who he is squiring around.
The only thing the Trump Administration is going to drain is the US Treasury. OMB calculated his programs will increase the ‘debt’ (sic) to -$32B, after which the Fed will raise interest rates, then health & human services funds will disappear, just like they did in Buchenwald at the later stages of the Great War. Children will be fed into privatized MIC Education and the elderly will be cremated in MIC Eldercare, just like Auschwitz. The Exceptionals want only healthy worker bots.
Posted by: TheRealDonald | Nov 23 2016 4:05 utc | 174
167
I work in oil.
Frackers are dead broke bankrupt to the Bankster class who loaned them all the wildcat monies. There are shut-in and even un-cemented well everywhere. That catastrophic tsunami of debt can’t be SCDO’d like the Banksters did bad mortgages and is the driving force behind these wild swings in WTI and wild violence at the Dakota Access Pipeline. There are seven LNG trains being built in Texas and the loans on those are also coming due. Rodham and Obama did everything in their power to close down coal and fast-track natural gas, but OPEC and Russia were smarter. They increased production. There is way too much natural gas now. The price of natural gas is too low to get out of the ground in the US, and too low to pay the transit fees in pipelining to the gulf. A fleet of LNG supertankers is sitting in the S Korean yard, and their loans are upside down too. There’s a ton of contangoed supertankers sitting offshore. It’s a great big sh*tfest blowout.
Anyone who says you should buy oil stocks is a pimp for Jim Cramer and Buffett.
Posted by: TheRealDonald | Nov 23 2016 4:16 utc | 175
TheRealDonald 174
so either clinton/trump
==> more pork for the barrel ?
fool me once…..
Posted by: denk | Nov 23 2016 6:17 utc | 176
Jill Stein has put together a legal team to challenge the elections results (fraud).
@177 jdmck
No to Clinton, no to trump – post election. I’ve been watching the totals climb at wikipedia (they’re AP) and I note that, after climbing from ~4.8% to ~5.5% the ‘Other’ votes have remained more or less a constant % of the total. Clinton’s % has been climbing a bit, but nothing earthshaking. Some folks say the big item there is early votes in California, counted late and being disproportionately Clinton votes.
To me the salient points about the POTUS totals are :
1. Neither of the ‘effective’ candidates got a majority of the votes cast. If the count continues as it has, neither will.
2. The electoral totals: 306 to 232 in favor of the second place finisher are ringing the bell on that bad act.
I think that gives a big push for an open election amendment, by whatever name and in whatever form it finally does surface. The only way it will pass is by serious work in organization to replace the political class, the 537, in Washington – we need 2/3s of both houses there to get it recognized, and in at least 3/4s of the legislatures in the 50 states to pass it.
Without protecting our right to vote, we’re done. That’s where the pressure from the top has been: disenfranchisement. The votes for change are at the bottom: where we’re hurting, and of course, that’s where the disenfranchisement if taking place.
Posted by: jfl | Nov 24 2016 15:11 utc | 178
Lol – Jill must be trolling the dems with this. She’s recieving so much vile disgust in the comments at crapington post
Posted by: aaaa | Nov 24 2016 19:10 utc | 179
@a4
Yes, it seems very suspicious. Some ‘confusion’ on the press statements … where’d the money come from so quickly … it stinks of a takeover of the Green Party by the Demoblicans. Jill Stein? Did they just hand her a statement and have her read it?
Posted by: jfl | Nov 25 2016 2:51 utc | 180
jfl says:
… it stinks of a takeover of the Green Party by the Demoblicans
it stinks of acquiecence to me.
Posted by: john | Nov 25 2016 9:47 utc | 181
@ 182
a takeover is a capture,
to acquiesce is to accept such, passively, without protest.
you can most certainly have one without the other.
Posted by: john | Nov 25 2016 11:16 utc | 183
Stein’s 2016 campaign, the party’s most electorally potent since 2000, took in $3,509,477 from donors. As of Thursday afternoon, the recount effort had raised $3,875,502. It’s the largest donation drive for a third party in history (Link)
golly gee willikers!
Nice to see Jill Stein carrying the water for the newly disenfranchised. Never waste a manufactured crisis. Simply offshore the manufacturing
(comment from ZH)
Posted by: john | Nov 25 2016 11:47 utc | 184
You guys are a little too cynical for me.
In Sauk Co. WI alone, there were +/-2500 more votes cast then registered voters.
*It was a Democrat mindset that caused us to step back from space-based defense assets to ostensibly not ‘weaponize space,’ while our enemies proceeded to do just that, and now, we find ourselves in a grave deficit,” Franks said. “In every area of warfare, within the Geneva Conventions, America should be second to none. That includes satellite warfare, if it’s necessary. We cannot be victims of our own decency here*
hey boys and girls,
our ‘enemies’ took advantage of our decency [1] to weaponise and dominate the space, but dont worry the incoming prez would soon rectify this grave mistake.
[1]
ofmg, roflmao !
http://space4peace.blogspot.com/2016/11/under-trump-gop-to-give-space-weapons.html
Posted by: denk | Nov 25 2016 16:01 utc | 186
un resolution to de-militarise space,
voting result….
178 for,
one against.
guess who’s that lone dissenter ??
none other than the mad john bolton,
i heard he’s one of candidate for trump’s sec of state !
hhhhhhhhh…..
Posted by: denk | Nov 25 2016 16:58 utc | 187
engdhal is getting sharper by the day…
http://journal-neo.org/2016/11/25/the-dangerous-deception-called-the-trump-presidency/
Posted by: denk | Nov 28 2016 4:44 utc | 188
EXPOSED: GS behind the Hillary Clinton lawyer working with Jill Stein on voter recount
http://theduran.com/exposed-george-soros-behind-the-hillary-clinton-lawyer-working-with-jill-stein-on-voter-recount/
Posted by: Jack Smith | Nov 29 2016 6:48 utc | 189