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November 7, 2016
U.S. Election Thread 2016-06
Whatever there is to say about the election …
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Chevrus says: Posted by: john | Nov 7 2016 18:33 utc | 2 SHIPPED! Posted by: schlub | Nov 7 2016 18:35 utc | 3 First and foremost, thanks b, for what you do! Posted by: ben | Nov 7 2016 18:45 utc | 4 The bankrupt nature of the “lesser of two evils” is fully upon us in America. The two most hated candidates in recent memory face off in an election with basically no policy debate. This is not to say there aren’t policy differences between the two, just that policy has not driven the debate in any way. The longer people vote for the lesser of two perceived evils rather than ever stepping out of the false binary debate between two corrupt political parties, the worse the candidates will get. Posted by: WorldBLee | Nov 7 2016 18:55 utc | 5 3 Recent Wikileaks Revelations You Should Know About from TRNN: Posted by: ben | Nov 7 2016 18:56 utc | 6 WBL @ 5 said… Posted by: ben | Nov 7 2016 18:59 utc | 7 49% of polled Americans think that Bill Clinton would make a “good First Gentleman” while 37% thinks something similar about Melanie Trump. I am a resident alien, and I am at loss what the questions mean. Who would be more capable of shouting “careful with that button!!”??? Better at entertaining guests, and not overly good at seducing the staff (Bill is a bit too old for that, and Melanie …). Concerning the accent, I definitely prefer Slovenian to Southern, but Americans may have a different preference (to my ear, Melanie has no accent at all, she is just easier to understand than most, and all Southern accent speakers in particular). Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 7 2016 19:04 utc | 8 I’m hoping that Trump defeats Crooked Hillary tomorrow and we can have some unPC hilarity for the next 4 years. Posted by: ab initio | Nov 7 2016 19:38 utc | 11 5 Posted by: chipnik | Nov 7 2016 19:44 utc | 12 Simply sum up 2016 presidential election: Repub. united against Trump. Dem. united against Trump. Blacks, Latinos and minority united against Trump. Posted by: Jack Smith | Nov 7 2016 20:02 utc | 13 The more I think about this thing, the more I figure the world would be better off with someone like Hillary at helm when the US collapse begins. Posted by: Quadriad | Nov 7 2016 20:32 utc | 14 My latest pearl of wisdom for the Trump campaign, “Trump and his campaign failed to stigmatize Hillary foreign policy as EVIL (not just incompetent); He should rectify that, on the last day of campaigning”, on reddit, @ https://www.reddit.com/r/Vote_Trump/comments/5bl6og/trump_and_his_campaign_failed_to_stigmatize/ I never quite understand why, despite all their globalism and love of diversity, Millennials don’t seem very interested in or concerned with foreign policy. Brown people, and black Africans, suffering thanks to US intervention in Libya? Brown people (or at least non-Euro white people) suffering because of US (etc.) intervention in Syria? Brown people suffering because of US-backed KSA intervention in Yemen? Discriminated against ethnic Russian untermenschen suffering in the Ukraine thanks to a US-backed coup? The ongoing destruction in Afghanistan and Iraq? US support for the slow motion destruction of the Palestinians? The multi-national drone war? Why does none of this seem to matter much? Posted by: RudyM | Nov 7 2016 20:38 utc | 16 If Trump wins, he should make make immediate (but reasonable) attempts at reconciliation with large swathes of the electorate that loathe him. A close relative of mine, who I’ve always considered both one of the most intelligent as well as spiritual of my relatives, announced that she “won’t be able to work, anymore, if Trump gets elected”. This was related, somehow, to misogynistic treatment she had suffered from coworkers. (The only connection I could figure out was that a President Trump would encourage their bad boy behavior, though the presumed connection was not explained.) I mostly kept my mouth shut about Clinton’s vileness, for the sake of family harmony (saying only that I was voting for a Republican for the first time in my life), but my cousin only lasted a few minutes, anyway. She got upset when her mother repeated a conspiracy theory about Comey getting paid off by the Clintons. And off she went! One day shy, and I’ve still not decided what to do. I lean toward Trump solely because he is best positioned to destroy the oligarchic duopoly. I lean away because he I have no truck with white nationalism. One day left. Absurd. Posted by: Martin Finnucane | Nov 7 2016 20:47 utc | 18 Dunno! I’m usually left brained in my approach; analytical, specific, if one of my 5 senses alerts me then I pay attention, self-centered. But my right brain; holistic, all inclusive, empathetic; has me somewhat worried. I am fearing, unreasonably I admit, that the entrenched PTB, Obama et al., are prepared to move to not let their candidate lose. Posted by: juannie | Nov 7 2016 20:48 utc | 19 I just spent 2 hours trying to figure out which of the 3 socialist parties on my ballot was worthy of my vote … being annoyed by the Greens (their website has not been updated since mid-September, I’m not a facebook user — the “critical” — I was told — Green party challenge in the Senate race has not been updated since MAY!!!) … Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Nov 7 2016 20:55 utc | 20 Both of the likely winners are actually losers … and that bodes ill for the DunMuriKKKan people. On the other hand, given the split in opinion and the anger that will seethe post-election, maybe we’ll have an actual collapse … in which case, I’d find some solace in a revolution, or at least a rebellion. Posted by: rg the lg | Nov 7 2016 21:13 utc | 21 Last weeks almost daily Dem.’s foot soldiers going house to house but skipped my house as worked in the front yard. They checked their clipboards, knew exactly which houses to knocked. I presume, they skipped my house knowing I’ll be showing my finger. Posted by: Jack Smith | Nov 7 2016 21:28 utc | 22 I’ll repeat here the position I decided on for myself, and offered a few weeks back. Posted by: Grieved | Nov 7 2016 21:29 utc | 23 Try this : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh8Majvs0KU and this Posted by: jocelyn braddell | Nov 7 2016 21:32 utc | 24 Having joked about Gil Fulbright, Giant Meteor, and Canada for President in an earlier thread, I have to be realistic. Posted by: Curtis | Nov 7 2016 21:40 utc | 26 That said or written, Cynthia McKinney sounds good. So does Dennis Kucinich. At least those two opposed the Hillary’s Libyan Massacre which I wish Trump had slammed her with. Posted by: Curtis | Nov 7 2016 21:42 utc | 27 scotlands SNP leader Nicole Sturgeon supports Hillary clinton and her FB thread goes into comment meltdown Posted by: brian | Nov 7 2016 21:47 utc | 28 I wish Bernie had slammed Hillary much much harder too. The Wikileaks of a few days ago made mention of an non-aggression pact … because (unsurprisingly) the Clinton campaign was outraged when Bernie mentioned the Clinton’s hustling for $$$ … so the Sander’s campaign was “talked to” … Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Nov 7 2016 21:52 utc | 29 @Curtis | Nov 7, 2016 4:42:40 PM | 27 Posted by: Jack Smith | Nov 7 2016 21:54 utc | 30 OK, so whaduya make of this: multiple outlets are reporting that the Hilton campaign has canceled their victory fireworks over the Hudson previously planned for tomorrow night. http://www.heise.de/…/US-Praesidentschaftswahl-Polizeistaat… Posted by: Paul Cockshott | Nov 7 2016 23:05 utc | 33 I would hazard the guess that the fireworks in New York were cancelled because the authorities had some reason to fear a terrorist incident. Posted by: lysias | Nov 7 2016 23:35 utc | 34 @32. Hard for the victim to make the choice when he’s already dead. Posted by: lysias | Nov 7 2016 23:36 utc | 35 Jill Stein. Agree w/Grieved @ 23. I hope final tally reflects her #’s here. @35 Read the article. The idea is to keep a database of citizens who are for or against the death penalty in the event that they are murdered. Posted by: dh | Nov 7 2016 23:45 utc | 37 I’m not terribly interested in Stein. (I’ve voted for her before, I don’t dislike her). I am interested in “growing” the party locally and on state level — that’s what I’m not seeing (and have not seen since the pull-back after the so-called 2000 debacle, to be followed by 09/11). Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Nov 7 2016 23:56 utc | 38 malcolm gladwell on the usa election candidates via cbc link Posted by: james | Nov 8 2016 0:24 utc | 40 Ralph Nader was interested in growing the party, too. Posted by: Perimetr | Nov 8 2016 0:29 utc | 41 Not voting for Trump is a criminal act Posted by: From The Hague | Nov 8 2016 0:48 utc | 42 Best result would be quagmire/gridlock, cuz neither Hill nor Trump is good for bottom 90% children, mothers or fathers anywhere on earth. The Green party thrived under the odious leadership of Bill Clinton … the 2000 election, followed by 09/11 did very very bad things to America’s psyche … “question authority” became unthinkable. I think it’s part of the engine behind the messianic DLC/Clinton campaign who seen themselves as saviors … and the go-for-broke Trump as savior appeal. I have never known a time of less interest in the details, background, alternatives, discussion. Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Nov 8 2016 1:03 utc | 44 from emptywheel. FBI’s Demographics: No Pot Smokers, but Lots of Middle Aged White Men Posted by: james | Nov 8 2016 1:06 utc | 45 At this FUBAR moment I can only give one suggestion. One I have already posted here, the other at Zero Hedge. It would never have gotten this bad (no choices whatsoever) if we had effectively disrupted the two-party coercing spoiler effect. So again I quote myself: Posted by: blues | Nov 8 2016 1:09 utc | 46 Vote for anyone but Hillary. She definitely stated she wants a no-fly zone in Syria. A no-fly zone is a recipe for escalation into full-blown war. Don’t vote Hillary. Posted by: Circe | Nov 8 2016 1:22 utc | 47 I think posted yesterday somewhere, worth posting again.. The unimaginative title doesn’t do Hudson’s words justice, though they never seem to anyways… Posted by: MadMax2 | Nov 8 2016 1:54 utc | 49 I want to share a thought with MoA folks about the cognitive dissonance that a certain number of (mostly male) Americans are going to have even if war mongering Clinton II is (s)elected. Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 8 2016 2:22 utc | 51 I don’t know … We got Obama, as I recall, as Teddy Kennedy’s last stand anyone-but-a-Clinton (and the DLC) … It has appeared for the last years (2-3-4? or more) that the decision was that it was Hillary’s turn. Any sane democratic party watcher would be alarmed that no one was willing to run against her — were her henchmen that threatening? Would it have to be self-financed because HRC had a lock on the money? Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Nov 8 2016 3:21 utc | 52 Opting for Jill Stein. Trump is all over the place. Posted by: dumbass | Nov 8 2016 3:28 utc | 53 HRC = democratic mob rule Posted by: GrandPa | Nov 8 2016 4:05 utc | 54 Off topic pet peeve of mine. Why is it that once the comments pass the hundred mark, one cant go directly to it by clicking on the author’s name in the sidebar and is there a remedy? Txs. Posted by: Lozion | Nov 8 2016 4:15 utc | 55 California is a BLUE State. My vote for Dr. Jill Stein cannot change the outcome tomorrow results. However, it may help the Green party in the next election if Green party gain 5% of the votes, look unlikely! Posted by: Jack Smith | Nov 8 2016 4:36 utc | 56 On behalf of the humanity – thank you all who voted against Hitlary Killton. Posted by: ProPeace | Nov 8 2016 4:50 utc | 57 This 2 minute video was published 12 hours ago … Posted by: ALberto | Nov 8 2016 4:57 utc | 58 Lozion | Nov 7, 2016 11:15:48 PM | 55 Yes good point, I’ve been wondering about this too. Posted by: ProPeace | Nov 8 2016 4:57 utc | 59 Michael Hudson says Posted by: mauisurfer | Nov 8 2016 5:02 utc | 60 A pulitzer price winning case for Jill Stein 🙂 Posted by: Tobin Paz | Nov 8 2016 5:05 utc | 61 The only real issue here is either war or peace. Posted by: RayB | Nov 8 2016 5:18 utc | 62 @ mauisurfer Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 8 2016 5:27 utc | 63 I know it is hard as Westerners not to vote; this duty has been drummed into our collective consciousness. What we need to remember is that Representative Democracy is not popular rule; it is not even democracy (except for five minutes every 3-4 years). All we do is choose the faction we wish to rule us, then we are rocked gently back to sleep until next time. It serves to focus popular movements into parliamentary activity, where people’s passion and principle is worn down via factional infighting, and the resultant loss of collective action through the election of individuals. All it does is give the illusion of control, so the sheeple don’t break out the torches and pitchforks from cold storage. The best slave is the one who does not know they are even enslaved. Posted by: Earthrise | Nov 8 2016 5:36 utc | 64 @ RayB Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 8 2016 5:42 utc | 65 AND YES I AM PUMPED!!!! Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 8 2016 5:47 utc | 66 @ 64 Posted by: RayB | Nov 8 2016 5:53 utc | 68 @58 alBerto Posted by: NemesisCalling | Nov 8 2016 6:14 utc | 69 62 Posted by: TheRealDonald | Nov 8 2016 6:40 utc | 70 @68 South African Apartheid was brought down by a voter strike, for one. Posted by: Jonathan | Nov 8 2016 6:45 utc | 71 @65 Posted by: RayB | Nov 8 2016 7:18 utc | 72 Abby Martin exposes John Podesta’s links to the oligarchy and fixer capacity for scandals: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fat63bqvG8 Posted by: anonymous | Nov 8 2016 7:40 utc | 73 It is shockingly disappointing that MOA, this otherwise intelligent incisive, a deeply intellectual and factual blog’s readership exhibit a trait common to overall American anti-intellectual sheeple constituency as Gore Vidal posited decades ago, having no shame expressing their utter confusion and ignorance about one fundamental fact of reality they are facing. Posted by: Kalen | Nov 8 2016 8:21 utc | 74 Looks Like Donald Trump is Jewish Posted by: Freedomknight | Nov 8 2016 9:00 utc | 75 I sense unfortunately that Clinton will win big, every elite group is behind her: Posted by: Zoom | Nov 8 2016 9:15 utc | 76 it’s quite remarkable the ire so many feel towards non-voters(as if voting at this point in time could possibly remedy what ails the Nation). so yeah, you could vote your conscience, and, say, try to build on Ms. Stein’s 2% over the next 10 or 20 years, or you could vote strategically(which may also be voting your conscience, hahaha) by not voting and build on the 50% or so who already constitute the largest political group in America. as has been pointed out above a low vote(the lower the better) would delegitimize any central government. Posted by: john | Nov 8 2016 9:24 utc | 77 The heartland of the US is RED, solid RED. Posted by: Perimetr | Nov 8 2016 9:34 utc | 78 The powers that be won’t “allow” anyone to upset the current order..Yes, the people will vote, but it’s the counting that matter – and they have control of the counting 🙂 Posted by: Zico | Nov 8 2016 11:25 utc | 79 vision Posted by: john | Nov 8 2016 11:36 utc | 80 @RayB | Nov 8, 2016 12:18:53 AM | 62 “The only real issue here is either war or peace.” Posted by: ProPeace | Nov 8 2016 12:02 utc | 81 fairleft at 43 — Posted by: rufus magister | Nov 8 2016 12:26 utc | 82 rufus @81:
The corrupt ‘Third Way’ Democrats blew up U.S. democracy years ago. “Do not blow shit up” = BOHICA.
Shameless, unadulterated bullshit. Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 8 2016 13:03 utc | 83 Kalen@73 Posted by: David Shinn | Nov 8 2016 13:14 utc | 84 The zionists who rule US,and make US the force behind Israels total arrogance and evil,and behind every nation destroying division here in America,hate Donald Trump. Posted by: dahoit | Nov 8 2016 13:48 utc | 86 >> even third party candidates are just nibbling on the behemoth of abhorrent and brutal US imperial power Posted by: dumbass | Nov 8 2016 14:27 utc | 88 Tobin Paz @ 61 Posted by: james | Nov 7, 2016 7:24:39 PM | 40 Posted by: notlurking | Nov 8 2016 15:00 utc | 90 [VIDEO] Putin – “America is tired of the Elites” Posted by: Zoom | Nov 8 2016 15:08 utc | 91 Here’s a pro Trump/Pence link for those who may want to get into the weeds on voter turnout, what’s being reported at the polls, possible rigging, fraud etc. All threads, posted throughout the day, will be comment driven only. The site also breaks down what to expect throughout the day, especially from the media, plus poll closings, electoral college assumptions etc. This site is also predicting what they term a ‘Monster Vote’ that is, a potential high of 20M new voters with the majority voting Trump. Jackrabbit @82 Posted by: Martin Finnucane | Nov 8 2016 15:43 utc | 93 jdmckay @67 Posted by: Tobin Paz | Nov 8 2016 16:01 utc | 94 In Alabama (Red/Trump) this morning the polls down the street in the World Church was packed. Lines about 10 deep for ballots, then people crammed to tables to fill the circles with a privacy folder to try to hide your vote. Then a much longer line that wound around to feed into the reader. I’ve been annoyed in years past because they person making sure the ballot feeds right can see the ballot. Today that guy was coverd up as people fed ballots and he handed out I Voted stickers. At least you could feed your ballot upside-down to hide the political choices. We had around a dozen amendments that didn’t make sense unless you read the translation in the newspaper. One encoded right-to-work into the Constitution. Another lets state parts keep their money instead of the state govt taking the money for the General Fund. The ones I talked to in line said they were sick of the election. I told one that at least it wasn’t like the one in Yemen where the only choice was the leader. Posted by: Curtis | Nov 8 2016 16:19 utc | 95 I noticed that the topless anti-Trump protestors at Trump’s polling place had “Femen” written on their back (“You were looking at their backs?!”). I wonder if they are really related to Femen? It would make sense, obviously. Posted by: RudyM | Nov 8 2016 16:20 utc | 96 88 Posted by: chipnik | Nov 8 2016 16:22 utc | 97 jdmckay @88 Posted by: Tobin Paz | Nov 8 2016 16:47 utc | 98 Tobin Paz @ 93 jdmckay @ 88 Posted by: spudski | Nov 8 2016 16:51 utc | 99 |
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