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November 15, 2016

Trump Rejects Neocon Turncoats - Russia Launches Aleppo Campaign

Wikipedia: Eliot A. Cohen

... co-founded the Project for the New American Century (PNAC), which was a center for prominent neoconservatives. He has been a member of the Defense Policy Board Advisory Committee, a committee of civilians and retired military officers that the U.S. Secretary of Defense may call upon for advice, that was instituted during the administration of President George W. Bush. He was put on the board after acquaintance Richard Perle put forward his name. Cohen has referred to the War on Terrorism as “World War IV”. In the run-up to the 2003 Invasion of Iraq, he was a member of Committee for the Liberation of Iraq, a group of prominent persons who pressed for an invasion.

Cohen in WaPo May 3 2016:

It’s over. Donald Trump, a man utterly unfit for the position by temperament, values and policy preferences, will be the Republican nominee for president. He will run against Hillary Clinton, who is easily the lesser evil ...

Cohen in the NYT on May 17 2016:

Mr. Trump’s temperament, his proclivity for insult and deceit and his advocacy of unpredictability would make him a presidential disaster — especially in the conduct of foreign policy, where clarity and consistency matter.
Hillary Clinton is far better: She believes in the old consensus and will take tough lines on China and, increasingly, Russia.

Cohen in The American Interest on November 10 2016 (immediately after Trump won):

Trump may be better than we think. He does not have strong principles about much, which means he can shift. He is clearly willing to delegate legislation to Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell. And even abroad, his instincts incline him to increase U.S. strength—and to push back even against Russia if, as will surely happen, Putin double-crosses him. My guess is that sequester gets rolled back, as do lots of stupid regulations, and experiments in nudging and nagging Americans to behave the way progressives think they should.

Cohen on Twitter November 15 2016

Eliot A Cohen @EliotACohen

After exchange w Trump transition team, changed my recommendation: stay away. They're angry, arrogant, screaming "you LOST!" Will be ugly.

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5:07 AM - 15 Nov 2016

I find the above very funny. How could that turncoat think he would be greeted by the Trump organization with anything but derision? Cohen believed he and his ilk would be welcome with candies and roses after insulting Trump in all major media? Who is the arrogant one in the above?

Oh, by the way. Here is a headline from October 2013: President Obama to Republicans: I won. Deal with it. I do not remember Cohen, or anyone else, calling that "arrogant".

While the papers are full of (badly) informed rumors about who will get this or that position in a Trump administration let's keep in mind that 90% of such rumors are just self promotions by people like Cohen who shill for the rumored job. That is why I will not write about John Bolton or Rudy  Giuliani as coming Secretary of State. Both are possible (unqualified) candidates. But others are just as likely to get that position. We will only know who it is after the official release.

Meanwhile Trump yesterday had a phonecall with the Russian President Putin. They discussed bilateral relations, Syria and fighting terrorism. Today the Russian and Syrian military started the long expected big campaign against the "moderate" al-Qaeda in east-Aleppo city and Idleb governate. Air strikes on east-Aleppo had been held back for 28 days. Today missiles and cruise missiles were launched against fixed targets and dozens of carrier and land launched airplanes attacked Nusra position on the various front and in its rear. Long range bombers flown from Russia joined the campaign. Trump seems to have voiced no objections to this offensive.

The Russian military has upped its air defense in Syria. Additional to the S-400 system around its airport in Latakia seven S-300 systems were deployed as a screen against U.S. cruise missile attacks. These are joined by rehabilitated Syrian S-200 system and Pantsyr S-1 short range systems for point defense. This should be enough to deter any stupid idea the Pentagon hawks, or dumb neocons like Eliot Cohen, might have.

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I don't think the copy paste job is the man from delmarva. If he wanted to spam the blog ... he'd bless us with too-long prose of his own.

So who would like to disrupt the blog and hang it on rm?

Killary PAC? He's coincidently missing.

Someone of that ilk.

I made a post at what looked to be the correct place at the time, but I see now that it fits here at least as well.

Posted by: jfl | Nov 16 2016 5:56 utc | 101


Yuck! Scary!

Posted by: Circe | Nov 16 2016 5:59 utc | 102

@ jfl about Rufus

Rufus made a threat in a comment recently about retaliation and I am too lazy to go find it but it is there.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 16 2016 6:05 utc | 103


Thx for links, I didn't know much about this guy. Seems like (esp. from MJ link) Briebert took a decided right turn stoking fringe (anti-Semite/racial) fires after Bannon died.

Also Schweizer's "Clinton Cash" which both links say but Briebert's site "on the map" fell short of Bannon's claim to deal in facts (to put it mildly). A lot of it no better then the Swift Boat smears.

Posted by: jdmckay | Nov 16 2016 6:06 utc | 104

@101 Circe

Yeah! Like sitting around the campfire cooking somemores and telling ghost stories.

The real choices will be here soon enough. The Trump 'team' are not soliciting suggestions from the base. We'll know who 'his' cabinet is as soon as they give Trump himself his list, but not before. Protocol you know. Being president still has some perqs. You're (usually) the first to know what 'you' have just done.

Posted by: jfl | Nov 16 2016 6:09 utc | 105

@ Circe re the potential cabinet appointments

The circus is just getting started....Did you see that Joe Arpaio, outgoing Maricopa County, Arizona, sheriff who campaigned for Trump is being considered to head Homeland Security?

The confirmation hearings for some of these scum bags should be highly entertaining if you don' think about the reality of it all.

From the frying pan into the furnace. Its a feature not a bug.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 16 2016 6:10 utc | 106

@ jdmckay who mistakenly wrote
"Briebert took a decided right turn stoking fringe (anti-Semite/racial) fires after Bannon died.
but I assume meant
Bannon took a decided right turn stoking fringe (anti-Semite/racial) fires after Breibert died.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 16 2016 6:17 utc | 107

@ jfl about Rufus

Ok, I got bored and went is in the Next Step.... posting and provided below

Since MofA apparently has banned me without saying anything, I believe countermeasures are in order.

Posted by: rufusmagister | Nov 14, 2016 9:34:14 AM | 219

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 16 2016 6:53 utc | 108

psychohistorian @ 106


Posted by: jdmckay | Nov 16 2016 6:59 utc | 109

Interesting twist if true. Lobbyists cut from transition team..

Posted by: Lozion | Nov 16 2016 7:02 utc | 110

There seems to be a lot of concern that the new Trump administration represents an incipient fascist movement which is poised to overwhelm the existing democratic polity. Hasn’t the existing polity demonstrated numerous fascist tendencies, and done so since at least the 2000 election? Understanding fascism as a corporatist enterprise, it could be readily argued that the ongoing corporatist project was embodied by the Democratic candidate. If the Trump administration is to turn into National Socialists circa 1933, as some have argued, then they will be starting from scratch, as the major years-in-the-making corporatist efforts such as the Obama trade pacts and Middle Eastern regime-change operations appear to have been stalled. Neither does the Trump administration seem to be appointing long-time deep state technocrats with stated agendas on the level of Cheney and Rumsfeld.

I agree with more sober analysts who see the Trump victory as a necessary corrective measure, which opens doors to possibility on all sides of the political spectrum. Much of the Trump bashing has represented angry partisans who seem to have been content and complacent with the Obama-Clinton status quo - hardly the sort who can be taken seriously telling the rest of us the fascists are coming.

Posted by: jayc | Nov 16 2016 7:07 utc | 111

@107 psycho

And you know that was posted, not by someone setting you and I and the rest of up, but by rm, because ... ?

Posted by: jfl | Nov 16 2016 7:44 utc | 112

While draining the swamp, hopefully Trump will not overlook this blatant misuse of Justice Dep’t resources and cut off Abram’s access at the knees. This would send a signal to the Zionists that the days of exploiting the U.S. Gov’t at their whim are over and cause panic attacks all over the corridors of power.

Obama Justice Dep’t is representing Elliott Abrams against suit by Palestinians opposing settlements

“President Obama’s Justice Department is representing Elliott Abrams, the neoconservative Republican convicted of lying to Congress, against a lawsuit filed on behalf of Palestinians opposing the settlement project.


Abrams worked in the Bush White House from 2001-2009; but the lawsuit filed last spring is aimed at all his activities over the last 25 years as an advocate for the settlement project, including appearing at AIPAC, the leading Israel lobby group, and at fundraisers for Friends of the Israeli Defense Forces in the United States.


The Justice Department should not represent Abrams because his actions are “not in the interest of the United States” and were not “within the scope of his [federal] employment,” says Martin McMahon, the attorney who filed the civil suit against Abrams and Sheldon Adelson, Haim Saban and many other Israel supporters for their work on behalf of the settlement project.

“To me there’s some political intrigue going on, someone put the fix in,” McMahon said. “I think someone got to a top Justice Department official and convinced them, we’ll just represent this guy.”

… By agreeing to represent Abrams, the government is taking Abrams’s side over that of Palestinian-American citizens, including Kateeb, who are among the 88 plaintiffs in the suit, McMahon says.

Abrams will now be able to use FBI agents to help him stand up for his activities speaking at AIPAC and on behalf of Friends of the Israeli Defense Forces– a charity also supported by Hillary Clinton donor Haim Saban, a co-defendant in the suit.”

Posted by: pantaraxia | Nov 16 2016 7:50 utc | 113

Outside the US people are protesting on the basis of past facts rather than on speculation over the future.

Thousands take to Athens’ streets in protest to Obama visit

“While the Greek government is trying to present the visit of Obama as a visit of a peacemaker, thousands of demonstrators came onto the streets to protest US policy in [such] parts of the world from Latin America to Middle East, Afghanistan and Syria,” Greek journalist Aris Chatzistefanou said.

He was quoted as saying that the demonstration was being held against the US’s policies which are “creating tensions” with other countries across the globe, especially with Russia and China.

Riot police used teargas to disperse the around-7,000-strong crowd of protesters who had taken to the streets in central Athens on Tuesday.

All manners of protest had been banned in the city over Obama’s trip, with police parking buses along the US president’s route.

@110 jayc

I definitely agree on the fascism lens ... a repeat in reverse order of the condemnation of Bush's wars followed by smiling faces, applause for, and fat paychecks from the Nobel Peace Prize Laureate for his.

The contest is between those of us profiting from war, financial speculation, and fossil fuels and those of us suffering from same. The fat cats - and/or their paid help - are presently in the streets in the USA. In Greece they haven't been fooled.

I'm watchful for Trump's reinterpretation of Obama's fascism, and of what he does when he picks up all the new 'legal' tools Obama has 'left' out, 'right' in plain sight, for his use ... Obama seemed pretty chummy with Trump, at/after their meeting, didn't he? Jockeying for influence like all the rest of well-buttered neo-cons ... including Hillary herself, "What difference does it make now?"

Posted by: jfl | Nov 16 2016 7:56 utc | 114

@112 toedancer, '... the civil suit against Abrams and Sheldon Adelson, Haim Saban and many other Israel supporters for their work on behalf of the settlement project.'

If Trump drops DoJ defense of Abrams, Adelson, and Haim Saban we'll know he's his own man. If not, then not. Elliot Abrams is one of the lowest of the low ever to hit AC/DC.

Posted by: jfl | Nov 16 2016 8:07 utc | 115

So who would like to disrupt the blog and hang it on rm?Killary PAC? He's coincidently missing.Someone of that ilk.

Jeez jfl you are pathetic.

Could just as well be you jfl, given how willing you are to lie about others. Clearly you're still all butthurt over losing some argument with me.

I already knew you were a bit pathetic. I just didn't realse just how truely pathetic you really are

Posted by: Killary PAC | Nov 16 2016 8:33 utc | 116

@115 KP

I'm honored! chosen as the replacement for your rm punching bag. If I seem a little slow responding, just carry on without me.

Posted by: jfl | Nov 16 2016 9:28 utc | 117

"#24, & #45; What a total waste of bandwidth and serious posters time just scrolling past the crap.

Can the author be permanently banned and the posts deleted, b?

Posted by: juannie | Nov 15, 2016 4:22:37 PM | 47"

Gibbon is, I suppose, just that. Get past the latinate prose and he's an eighteenth century spin doctor. None too scrupulous with his facts, not concerned with balance or fairness, and poisonously effective.

His trick is not to argue his case but simply to assume it. That makes him unanswerable - you can't dispute an argument the terms of which are never stated. I was listening to the BBC this morning talking about Trump. Same technique - simply assume the target is contemptible and go from there. Equally poisonous. Equally effective.

The antidote to the spin put out by Gibbon is the direct and straightforward common sense of Dr Johnson as portrayed by Boswell. Pity that work's buried in a style no longer very approachable, because if ever there was a book for our times, that's it. I don't know the antidote to the spin that's put out by the media. Just switch off and go somewhere else, I suppose.

But I do wish our media, and yours, would lay off Trump for a bit. Give him a fair start, at least.

Posted by: EnglishOutsider | Nov 16 2016 9:42 utc | 118

Sorry but I really hate Gibbon's writing style! Rufus must be an insider if he knew that precisely b would be on an extended holidays!

Courtesy Angry Arab

Posted by: Mina | Nov 16 2016 9:48 utc | 119

Re: Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 16, 2016 12:25:03 AM | 96

To be fair - there mighty be too many women on that list footer the liking of some.

Posted by: Julian | Nov 16 2016 10:00 utc | 120

Re: Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 16, 2016 12:25:03 AM | 96

To be fair - there mighty be too many women on that list for* the liking of some.

*typo. Delete other post if you chance.

Posted by: Julian | Nov 16 2016 10:01 utc | 121

@emglish outsider

Effective my arse. Maybe effective at eliciting a quick right hook targeting the left tip of the nose.

As effective as a smiling Tony Blair practically begging for a war crime tribunal along with most of BBC editorial team.

Posted by: Quadriad | Nov 16 2016 10:06 utc | 122

@109 Lozion, 'Interesting twist if true. Lobbyists cut from transition team..'

Thanks ...

Kushner at the center of Trump transition 'infighting,' sources say

(CNN) Donald Trump's son-in-law and close adviser Jared Kushner is at the center of the "infighting" inside President-elect Donald Trump's transition team, multiple sources tell CNN.

Former Congressman Mike Rogers said Tuesday he parted ways with Trump's transition team, removing an establishment national security voice from the planning process of the next president's cabinet.

Kushner's father was prosecuted by then-US Attorney Christie in 2004 for tax evasion, witness tampering and illegal campaign contributions.

Rogers, who had been working on the transition team for months under Christie, was sidelined as the campaign and transitions merged into one presidential team, with members of Trump's inner circle that were with him through the campaign taking more prominent roles in the transition, according to one source familiar with the transition activity.

"I look forward to continuing to provide advice and counsel as needed to the incoming Trump administration as they work to make America great again," Rogers said in the statement.

"We received the MOU signed by Vice President-elect Pence this evening," said Brandi Hoffine, a White House spokesperson. "The next step is for the President-elect's transition team to provide us with the names of the individuals they have authorized to represent their transition effort across the government. Once we have received those names and related materials, those individuals will be able to receive the briefing materials we have prepared and begin to communicate with their Obama administration agency counterparts as we continue our work to facilitate the transition to the next administration."

Well it's certainly good that Rogers is out, if he's really out. He was in rabid support of the NSA, while his wife was signing billion dollar deals for the spy outsourcing biz. Rogers go out of the House for a taste of that stuff himself.

Pence and Kushner working together doesn't sound good.

Donald Trump’s Transition Team Reshaped

Matthew Freedman, who was leading the group’s planning for the White House National Security Council, also departed. Mr. Freedman didn’t return messages seeking comment.

Frank Gaffney, a Reagan administration veteran, was brought in to assist on national security issues, as has [sic] GOP U.S. Reps. Pete Hoekstra and Devin Nunes.

“We’re moving step-by-step,” said Rep. Chris Collins (R., N.Y.), who is the transition team’s congressional liaison. “Things are in pretty good shape right now.”

The rest from the WSJ is cabinet speculation and gossip about the inaugural.

Posted by: jfl | Nov 16 2016 10:09 utc | 123

re 53 P

Posted by: Laguerre | Nov 16 2016 10:38 utc | 124


And a hypocrite as well jfl.

Given the hypocrisy you certainly would make a good replacement for hypocritical ol Doofus Maximus.

I'm pretty sure most people can recognise your @100 as the uber-lame trolling it is, and as i already said whoever is posting Gibbon ain't got nothin to do with me, which b could easily confirm by comparing IP's, but your sad & pathetically lame attempt at finger pointing is noted with some amusement, I might add.

I don't know what exactly has got you so butthurt, that you feel the need to drag me into Rufie's melt-down, but certainly you're butthurt about something. I can only presume you lost some argument and still haven't got over it.

Posted by: Killary PAC | Nov 16 2016 10:55 utc | 125

Trump allies with another neocon - James Woolsey
New administration will be willing to alter American policy – Trump adviser Woolsey to RT

Posted by: Manni | Nov 16 2016 11:01 utc | 126

Who can believe that? KSA UAE ready for peace talks but Hadi refusing them?

(ref Lafarge: some workers were kidnapped and families started to raise questions about Lafarge insisting to stay in working in such areas)

Posted by: Mina | Nov 16 2016 11:45 utc | 127

@113 jfl

Always enjoy your point of view. You ans Suan Sunflower along a few others i always enjoy hearing. Since the election coverage here the comments have really changed for the worse. A lot less analysis unfortunately.

I have sincere hope that Trump can make some positive changes, possibly. A slim chance perhaps though. I don't really envision real positive change either within the confines of the democratic or republican party honestly. A lot of people here hang on to the good things trump has said about war/private capital (which ARE nice to hear) but seem to totally ignore the awful things he's said as well (anything about Iran, taking Iraqi oil rejecting climate change, etc etc). I've really been surprised how much b has gushed over Trump. I hope I'm wrong tho but it seems awfully naive to me. Time will tell. The list of cabinet positions i believe will be very revealing as to the tone he will take.

Entertaining how Obama is desperate to hang on to some scraps for his 'legacy.' he's at the helm of some of the most awful things a president has done. All the tools and power he's stored as POTUS have been handed over to the president elect now. Anything Trump does badly in the future we can see how he has gotten thw ability to do it from Obama. It's hard to envision any president giving up these tools.

Fingers crossed eh

Posted by: FecklessLeft | Nov 16 2016 11:59 utc | 128

To quadrian, 121.

The media spin doesn't work with you. Nor with most of those who search out the news on alternative news sites such as this one. There are also thousands of people who write in to the English newspapers, when those papers allow comments, and protest the incomplete and partial reporting those papers put out.

Trump's victory, and the Brexit vote, shows maybe that those who reject the current consensus are in the millions, not the thousands. Even so the framework most think in - you know that framework, it's that Russia is dangerously aggressive, that Assad is repressing a popular liberation movement and all the rest of it - is the framework set in the main by the media.

The day in, day out repetition of those themes on our TV screens and in our newspapers sets that framework in stone. If you miss it on TV you'll get it on the internet; I suspect that those who read sites such as this or SST, that do report what's happening, are a small minority; and in any case even on this site, valuable and informative as it is, the endless talk about deep state conspiracies and the foul language would be enough to deter most people who just want to find out what's going on. So those sites that do try to get at the facts are often not much of a showcase when it comes to presenting them.

That's the position. The reality you and I see when we attempt to dig a bit deeper is not the reality most people have presented to them. Unless we see that, and see how it's done, it's scarcely possible to combat it.

But all this was originally about Trump. He's getting the full treatment from the European press and politicians. That implicit rubbishing I wrote about earlier is going full bore. In the States too. What a missed opportunity, when on both sides of the Atlantic we should be looking for a fresh start, to spend all that energy merely trying to block it.

Posted by: EnglishOutsider | Nov 16 2016 12:06 utc | 129

@psychohistorian 107 & jfl 111
psychohiatorian's hunch may well be correct here. Didn't Rufus' original handle feature capital letters...? Whereupon his original IP was banned, losing his original handle, he returned as the lowercase, more irate and vengeful rufusmagister vowing countermeasures. Could still be an imposter though.

Given the meltdown we are witnessing within the left, born by the ignorant part of it who were unwilling to recognise that their side has been fully seduced by the corporate, neoliberal faction I'm willing to wager it is a Rufus in denial, anger and breakdown phase. The healing may not begin for some time.

Posted by: MadMax2 | Nov 16 2016 12:12 utc | 130

jfl says:

So who would like to disrupt the blog and hang it on rm?

Killary PAC? He's coincidently missing

and you're conspicuously here...all the time...

proselytizer cum slanderer

Posted by: john | Nov 16 2016 12:24 utc | 131

Presidential transition of Donald Trump

Lists 'leadership' and staff positions.

Energy Independence, led by Michael Catanzaro, an energy lobbyists whose clients include American Fuel and Petrochemical Manufacturers, Hess, Devon Energy, and Encana Oil and Gas.

Tax Reform, led by Jim Carter, a lobbyist employed by Emerson.

Trade Reform, led by Rolf Lundberg, a lobbyist and former employee of the Chamber of Commerce.

Transportation & Infrastructure, led by Martin Whitmer, a lobbyist at Whitmer & Worrall whose client include the American Association of Railroads, National Asphalt Pavement Association and the Utilities Technology Council.

Jeffrey Eisenach – a Verizon and other telecommunications client consultant is helping to pick staff members at the Federal Communications Commission.

The pitch is that the Trump Transition has eliminated 'lobbyists'. Wikipedia lists the above. Wikipedia may be out of date and they may be gone already ... yet they've added Rogers' 'resignation' already.

Whether these people are gone yet or not ... what were they doing in the Transition team to begin with? Just reading their job descriptions makes me want to take a shower.

Posted by: jfl | Nov 16 2016 12:30 utc | 132

@127 fl

Thanks for the kind words. I think we've all noticed the influx of the street fighters. I used to really enjoy reading posters such as yourself, still do of course, but there were more of you. You - you all know who you are - were the commonplace, not the exception. It was the trolls who stood out. So I suppose the trolls have had a certain success. The focus of the site has narrowed, certainly ... Syria and the US election, lately. I agree it's the election that's brought in the brawlers.

@128 eo

I think the news on the election of the new President of Bulgaria is a bit like Brexit and Trump ... the revolt of neo-liberalism's victims. I don't know much about Bulgaria, certainly, but from what I've been reading it does seem similar. Remember, neo-liberlism's been globalised. Its victims are not just in North America and Western Europe. And news of our common plight has been globalised as well.

Many of the people who've voted for Trump know just how evil he is. He was originally conjured up. allowed to participate, to scare everyone into Hillary's arms, remember. But the neo-liberal monster that was Hillary turned back the tide. Mirror, mirror on the wall kept answering 'you are, your majesty' to the eternal narcissist's question. And the neo-liberals hubris led to their own demise. People literally have drunk the Trump poison because it might not kill them, whereas they knew now that Hillary's (Obama's) was fatal for sure. The hardcore neo-libs/neo-cons will be back. They have no choice. They live on privilege and they know it.

And the same thing happened with the Brits - the real people of Britain - and the EU. And Vladimir Putin got solid support, despite the wounds inflicted on the Russians by his stand against neo-liberalism, And now in Bulgaria. Moldova.

If/when Trump fails to deliver, depending on one's view, there will perhaps be fertile ground for the kinds of changes that I feel are essential. I see today that Barbara Boxer, an astute American politician, Senator form CA, is talking about eliminating the Electoral College. Might just be topical talk. It will take a constitutional amendment. But once people start thinking that way, change can become possible. And change can come rapidly. It's our own inertia holding it back.

I've been saying a dozen years. I picked the number out of a hat ... three presidential election cycles. But things can move along quickly, once everyone - a majority anyway - have reconciled themselves to change. No matter what they say, people really dislike change. There needs to be a new vision of the other side of the flux built up and fleshed out so that we can walk around in it, sit down and take a good look at it, before it becomes possible. That seems to be the mission to me. To construct something that people can imagine living comfortably in, much more comfortably than what we're living in now. No one's going to go to the trouble for marginal improvement.

It goes without saying that it will not be more comfortable, economically, for the 1%. There's probably nothing that will ever reconcile them to change. That's why they call them reactionaries. And the bottom 10% were/are/will be always ready for change. And in hared times the upper threshold on the 'willing to change' keeps rising. That's why we've all got to be able to vote. The flood of misery, and just plain revulsion at the murderous exploitative nature of the neo-liberal way of life, keeps rising, keeps submerging more of us world-wide and making us more susceptible to an alternative vision. If we can just imagine it, see it with our minds' eyes, live it in our dreams, and then draw a map from here to there.

We need a peoples' transition team. No application required. Say you're a member and you are one. Flesh out a destination that fills the train and we'll then leave the station. Not on tracks, of course. Plenty of votes to take on which fork to take along the way. But at some point we'll crest the top of the last rise, and break on through to the other side.

Posted by: jfl | Nov 16 2016 13:26 utc | 133

@127 fl

It was the trolls who stood out. So I suppose the trolls have had a certain success. The focus of the site has narrowed, certainly ... Syria and the US election, lately. I agree it's the election that's brought in the brawlers.


Jfl seems to be adopting a "double down on the hypocrisy" strategy.

Well done. When it comes to hypocrisy you're certainly a fitting replacement for Doofus Maximus.

Posted by: Killary PAC | Nov 16 2016 13:39 utc | 134

@EnglishOutsider | Nov 16, 2016 7:06:52 AM | 128

...those who search out the news on alternative news sites such as this one. There are also thousands of people who write in to the English newspapers, when those papers allow comments, and protest the incomplete and partial reporting those papers put out....

If you are a Brit, there is a website... UK Column News - Brian Gerrish and Mike Robinson.

Can you share more about them. Stumble across while searching for Vanessa Beeley and White Helmets. Thanks.

Posted by: Jack Smith | Nov 16 2016 14:00 utc | 135


Maybe we can stick to dialogues rather than attacks? It fosters more positive discussion than just dismissing and rejecting others POVs. Even if you disagree maybe you can just discus the differences? This site used to be fantastic for that but lately we've seen a lot of these types of comments. It really restricts and narrows dialogue. It's a real shame.

Posted by: FecklessLeft | Nov 16 2016 15:01 utc | 136

Trump is his own man,an alpha male who is the real decider in chief.
All his choices are limited to the pool of neoshites who have led US into disaster after disaster,so the divide and conquer attempts by the commies and Trotskyite zionists mean little,as he will set policy.
And so far,he's already influenced many areas of foreign policy,with Assad,Putin,and the hysteria from the zionist scum is palpable and wonderful.
Rand Paul says to deny Giuliani and Gingrich?(I forget which exactly)I agree totally that their past has been neocon crud,but maybe,just maybe,they've seen the light of patriotism.
Shut up already,you useless tit on a bull.What a disappointment he has been.

Posted by: dahoit | Nov 16 2016 15:35 utc | 137

lozion @ 109: kudos for the link. Hope it's true.

jfl @ 114 said: "If Trump drops DoJ defense of Abrams, Adelson, and Haim Saban we'll know he's his own man. If not, then not. Elliot Abrams is one of the lowest of the low ever to hit AC/DC.


KP @ 115: Ad Hominems eh? very trollish. enough already.

Posted by: ben | Nov 16 2016 15:42 utc | 138

In addition to the evidence that the election was again stolen by Trump - - there is the little contributing fact that one of the largest American Democratic Party websites – – was hacked on election night by Trump goons and the site is still not up.

The hack occurred early Election Day night right when results were starting to come in.

Gee, too bad the literally 100,000s of registered site-members/Democrats from across the country were deprived of a vehicle whereby to document and act upon electoral chicanery in various states, huh?

Probably just a coincidence due to Hillary or something and not the theft of another election by US fascists and Trump.


But, seriously, keep having fun burnishing the Trump.

Posted by: Ron Showalter | Nov 16 2016 16:14 utc | 139

Country Is at DEFCON Code 5 — Safest Level Since Post-Trump Election

Posted by: Robhudson | Nov 16 2016 16:16 utc | 140
After calling Bolton a "menace" in an op-ed earlier Tuesday, Paul told CNN's Wolf Blitzer that Bolton was "totally unfit" to be secretary of state.
"I couldn't vote for Bolton unless he repudiated his support for the Iraq War and repudiated his support for regime change throughout the Middle East, repudiated his call for immediately bombing Iran," Paul said. "I mean really, you want a diplomat in charge of diplomacy. You don't want a bomb-thrower.
"So no, John Bolton is totally unfit to be secretary of state, and I hope that the Trump administration will say, 'You know what, he does not represent what Donald Trump represents.'"

Posted by: okie farmer | Nov 16 2016 16:19 utc | 141

"This Election Was a Massive Repudiation of the Press"

Posted by: Robhudson | Nov 16 2016 16:35 utc | 142

@71. Please, vocative case. Et tu, Rufe.

Posted by: lysias | Nov 16 2016 16:35 utc | 143


Many people have pointed to the similarity between Breshnev and Bush, and Gorbachev and Obama, and my stratfor premise was always that Rodham would join Yeltsin to complete that historical trioka. They're both black-out drunks to the oligarchs. Now we have Trump, instead, acting like a Putin, but he's filling his Cabinet with Kochim, and his first state visit will be with Netanyahu, and that won't be to cut Israel off the US aid dole. It may be he'll complete the Yinon Plan, and add US DoD/DaHS forces to the Greater Israel Axis of Zionism. Of course, that won't be transparent, it will be Deep State, and show up in his foreign policy with Iran. Much to be wary of, there is. Time to pack the bug-out bag, it seems.

Posted by: chipnik | Nov 16 2016 17:44 utc | 144

Posted by: ben | Nov 16, 2016 10:42:43 AM | 137

more hypocrisy, this time from some troll called "ben" - place is full of hypocrisy today - your BFF jfl's been dishing out plenty of ad hom but not a word from you about that.
- hypocrisy thy name art ben.

Posted by: Killary PAC | Nov 16 2016 17:46 utc | 145


Maybe we can stick to dialogues rather than attacks?

Posted by: FecklessLeft | Nov 16, 2016 10:01:18 AM | 135


Your hypocrite BFF jfl posted what could only be described as an unwarranted "attack", you then chimed in posting how much you love your bff jfl and now you have the unmitigated gall to start moral high-grounding me?

Go take a look in the mirror - you didn't react at all to an unwarranted attack from your hypocritical bff. In fact when your bff launches an unwarranted attack, your immediate unprompted response is to comment on how brilliant he is.

If attacks really bothered you, you could always have had a word with your hypocrite friend jfl, and asked him to halt, but of course you didn't, instead you hupocritically moral high-ground me. You're a joke

Posted by: Killary PAC | Nov 16 2016 17:57 utc | 146

Trump the Anti-Semite?
Or is it just that liberal Jews hate Trump?
Philip Giraldi

One of the more curious bits of invective hurled at presidential candidate Donald Trump was the claim that he is an anti-Semite. The allegation is particularly odd as Trump worked comfortably for decades in the heavily Jewish New York real estate world, his daughter Ivanka, whom he is very close to, has converted to Judaism and is married to a Jew who was prominent in Donald’s campaign while Trump’s grandson from that marriage is being raised as Jewish. Trump was Grand Marshall of New York City’s 2004 Salute to Israel Parade and has contributed to predominantly Jewish charities.

On November 2nd, a position paper was released that had been prepared by the candidate’s supporters Jason Dov Greenblatt and David Friedman of the campaign’s Israel Advisory Committee which detailed its Middle Eastern policy. It hails the “unbreakable bond” between the U.S. and Israel while calling Israel a Jewish state and a “staunch ally.”

Posted by: Killary PAC | Nov 16 2016 18:16 utc | 147

I'm going to go out on a rickety limb here, but I find the topic of RM's pave job of interest, especially since many have commented on the 'purple' blouse and suit lapels Hillary wore during her concession speech not to mention Bill's tie. Some are suggesting red and blue - R and D - when blended makes the color purple which then leads some to suggest the end of the old and the birth of a new party construct. While others mention the color 'purple' implies royalty which has led some to suggest the end of the Clinton royalty. Whatever it may mean that color was meant to project something subliminally b/c other D's are wearing purple, with more subtlety, as well.

Another visual message that may or may not be related, but has always intrigued me, was the purposeful backdrop used in Colorado during Obama's 2008 his acceptance speech. So, today I see images of Obama in casual attire, looking quite relaxed, strolling away from the very ruins he stood before in 2008. If at all interested in learning what I'm talking about simply do a search for Obama's 2008 acceptance speech. I can't help but think of 'book ends'. Queer.

And then we have the topic of RM's pavement...

I hazard to guess what any of this means, if anything, but the symbolism is intended to project some sort of message. Anybody else notice any of this stuff?

Posted by: h | Nov 16 2016 18:31 utc | 148


Here's all you need to know.

The Private Fed Bank, anticipating 'trickle-down' deficit-and-spend Trumponomics means higher interest-only forever payments to the Globalist Banksters, and cuts to Health and Human Services, SS and MC, perhaps not unlike when Governor Reagan turned out all the decrepit and insane onto the streets of California, America's first Holocaust.

Purple goes so well with black-and-blue. "Vehr ahh yur paypahs?! Antworten!!"

Posted by: chipnik | Nov 16 2016 18:37 utc | 149


Just more reverse-psychology. Anytime you attack a leader, you increase their fan base. So you appear to attack a leader for the *opposite* of the effect you want.

RNCs fan base is anti-semetic, so you claim Trump is anti-semetic, that way they rally to the Zionist cause, "Oh, now we love Israel long time!!" That's all just preparing for Trump's first state visit with a foreign dignitary, ... Netanyahu.

Then Congress will stand up and applaud for Israel First until their fingernails bleed, like they did the last time Bibi showed up to grab his $3B grift moneybag, applauding longer for Bibi than for any sitting US president in history. SYCHOS!

Black is White, War is Peace, Slavery is Freedom. That's how Zee game is played.

Posted by: chipnik | Nov 16 2016 18:45 utc | 150

excellent piece by Andrew Coburn in latest Harpers
must read all, link below

The New Red Scare
Reviving the art of threat inflation

In reality, Carr continued, “It’s almost impossible to confirm attribution in cyberspace.” For example, a tool developed by the Chinese to attack Google in 2009 was later reused by the so-called Equation Group against officials of the Afghan government. So the Afghans, had they investigated, might have assumed they were being hacked by the Chinese. Thanks to a leak by Edward Snowden, however, it now appears that the Equation Group was in fact the NSA. “It doesn’t take much to leave a trail of bread crumbs to whichever government you want to blame for an attack,” Carr pointed out.
Still, the recent accusation that Putin has been working to destabilize our democratic system has taken matters to a whole new level, evoking the Red Scare of the 1950s.
The “missile gap,” conceived by the Air Force and heavily promoted by John F. Kennedy as he ran for the White House in 1960, stands out as a preeminent example of Cold War threat inflation. Kennedy, briefed by the CIA on President Eisenhower’s orders, knew perfectly well that no such gap existed — except in America’s favor. He campaigned on the lie nonetheless, and once in office, he felt it necessary to spend billions of dollars on a thousand Minuteman ICBMs.
Among the token vessels deployed to reassure Eastern European NATO countries have been one or two Aegis Destroyers, sent to patrol the Baltic and Black Seas. The missiles they carry are for air defense. Yet the launchers can just as easily carry nuclear or conventional cruise missiles, without any observer being able to tell the difference.

Bruce Blair, who spent years deep underground waiting to launch nuclear missiles and now works to abolish them, foresees frightening consequences. As he told me, “Those destroyers could launch quite a few Tomahawk cruise missiles that can reach all the way to Moscow. You could lay down a pretty severe attack on Russian command-and-control from just a couple of destroyers.” This, he explained, is why the Russians have been aggressively shadowing the ships and buzzing them with fighter planes at very close quarters.

“Now the Russians are putting in a group of attack submarines in order to neutralize those destroyers,” Blair continued. “And we’re putting in a group of P-8 antisubmarine airplanes in the area in order to neutralize the submarines.” Quite apart from the destroyers, he continued, “are the B-2 and B-52 missions we fly over the Poles, which looks like we’re practicing a strategic attack. We fly them into Europe as shows of reassurance. We’re in a low-grade nuclear escalation that’s not even necessarily apparent to ourselves.” Excepting a few scattered individuals in intelligence and the State Department, he continued, “so few people are aware of what we’re getting into with the Russians.” Nobody is paying attention on the National Security Council, Blair said, and he added: “No one at Defense.”

Posted by: mauisurfer | Nov 16 2016 18:49 utc | 151


ZOA - the Zionist Organization of America representing Zionism, what constitutes a supremacist ideology, and who host Muslim-haters like Pam Geller and others, invited Steve Bannon to this year's ZOA gala as well as that extremist Zionist on Trump's team, David Friedman.

Supremacists of a feather getting together.

Posted by: Circe | Nov 16 2016 19:05 utc | 152

post 97 to 100 are the same as posts 105 to 108.. something is wrong at b's place at present..

as for the rufus posts, i am not sure it is rufus, but someone is messing up b's site.. i sent b an e mail to correct it yesterday, but he hasn't.. i wonder if b is pulling back from having a website at this point and letting this happen consciously? just a negative thought on my part and i hope it isn't correct.. something is wrong though as my first comment suggests..

@120 jfl.. lol!

Posted by: james | Nov 16 2016 19:11 utc | 153

This is not your grandfather's Fascism. The 'Order of the Day' is all uniforms to be shades of pastel so as not to offend the nonexceptional dirt peoples and their spawn. Other than that, you may carry on.

Just me opinion

Posted by: ALberto | Nov 16 2016 20:01 utc | 154

A good article at the Saker about the loneliness of seeing reality versus fake MSM reality:

My study of the alt right has yielded the following: White people are under attack. The left, which controls academia, has been infiltrated with Cultural Marxism which has Jewish fingerprints all over it. The idea is to encourage gender, race, sexual politics to undermine the white male and white Christian civilization. Black people are given short shrift. They've got sub-optimum IQs and a tendency to aggression and thuggery. In the space of thirty years American whites will become a minority. There are discussions about where to herd the undesirables. California? Inequality is good because, well, that's nature.

Okay, it's a snapshot. But I feel they've got it back to front. Instead of focusing on the Anglo-Zionist element which is the essence, they seek to slur and attack all other non-white constituencies.

Posted by: Lochearn | Nov 16 2016 20:21 utc | 155


That was an excellent post.

When I got to the part about the Defense Department and the need to provide some continuing work for them to do (my politically correct interpretation of your remarks - heh-) immediately sprang to mind what is presently going on in the very Southern Hemisphere with a flotilla of ships attending to a real emergency situation not having been caused by bombings and strafings - that is, they are providing assistance to stranded people after the 7.5 earthquake in the northeastern section of the South Island of New Zealand.

That may look like small potatoes, but as such catastrophes inevitably increase with the havoc global warming will cause, a goodwill effort on the part of armies and navies and airforce might just begin to change the blotched reputation this century's activities by said Defense Department has given itself.

Heaven knows there's even now plenty for them to do.

Posted by: juliania | Nov 16 2016 20:22 utc | 156

@151 mauisurfer | Nov 16, 2016 1:49:19 PM |

Thanks for this link, and keeping focus on the real threat -
accidental or deliberate nuclear war.

I was surprised and relieved by the Trump win - relieved because
a Hilary win would have lead to a US no fly zone over Syria, and
a likely consequent war with Russia. She assumes Putin would blink;
I don't. 20 Million dead and 2 Chechen wars leave a stamp on the psyche.

So the risk of instant incineration is somewhat reduced, and we now
have a little time to combat slow incineration, aka Climate change.

Meanwhile, I have no doubt that the debacle that is the upcoming Trump
administration will degenerate into civil chaos of a kind not previously
experienced in the US - Chile in 1973 is an example that comes to mind.
We live in interesting times

Posted by: DavidKNZ | Nov 16 2016 20:26 utc | 157

Sorry, I'm an oldie - got tangled up in that last compound phrase, but I know you'll get the gist.

Posted by: juliania | Nov 16 2016 20:30 utc | 158

Desperate Scramblers.

Prince Alwaleed bin Talal (KSA) in December 2015, twitter, quote:

@realDonaldTrump. You are a disgrace not only to the GOP but to all America. Withdraw from the U.S presidential race as you will never win.

DT’s response:

@ Dopey Prince @Alwaleed_Talal wants to control our US politicians with daddy's money. Can't do it when I get elected #Trump 2016.

After the US election:

Alwaleed @realDonaldTrump. President elect whatever the past differences, America has spoken, congratulations & best wishes for your presidency.

see for ex. Daily Mail

— Waleed is a grandson of Ibn Saud.

KSA is in a terrible position. So far there is silence on Ukraine, afaik DT has said nothing about it. (?) All attention is on Syria.

International politics via tweets? New era!

Posted by: Noirette | Nov 16 2016 20:41 utc | 159

Czechia rejects US missile defence - PravdaReport

Posted by: ProPeace | Nov 16 2016 20:45 utc | 161

@ 129 EnglishOutsider | Nov 16, 2016 7:06:52 AM |

Good post - its the setting of the framework within which a
dialogue takes place that is where the real battle agenda is set.

Just now, on the venerable BBC, an institution that is now a right wing
taxpayer funded propaganda machine, there is a repeat about how Assad and
the Syrian Air Force have destroyed the 'last' hospital in Aleppo.
Something simple fact checking would question. But repeat a lie often
enough and it becomes accepted as the truth.

A group in UK have been sufficiently unimpressed with this media corruption
to set up an alternative website
Worth a visit. ( tho I imagine you already do )

Posted by: DavidKNZ | Nov 16 2016 20:45 utc | 162

@ 156 20 million dead? Our very own, Western wikipedia puts the figure at unofficilly 25-50,000 dead in the second and up to 14,000 in the first so you are way off.

"Trump administration will degenerate into civil chaos of a kind not previously experienced in the US - Chile in 1973 is an example that comes to mind."

Chile 1973 was just an example of some little Latin American state trying to resist US imperialism. The late Philip Agee, ex CIA, told me over a coffee how he had smuggled millions of dollars over the Argentinian-Chilean border with accompices to pay the truck drivers to go on strike.

Posted by: Lochearn | Nov 16 2016 20:46 utc | 163

Hate to quote myself but all I could find so far is #trumpriots on Twitter so, again:

"Can anyone please provide a good link or 2 (blog, twitter feed, etc) keeping up-to-date info on this pseudo color revolution Soros et al are attempting? Txs.

Posted by: Lozion | Nov 16, 2016 12:38:09 AM | 100"

Posted by: Lozion | Nov 16 2016 20:54 utc | 165

@ Posted by: Lochearn | Nov 16, 2016 3:46:24 PM |

The 20 million was an approximate figure for the losses USSR bore in WW2.
For a reality check try "StalinGrad" by Anthony Beevor (
Putin lost a brother to war, and will likely be unimpressed with
German tanks displaying the iron cross deployed just Kms from his border.

I remember, at the age of 12, hearing the 1812 Overture for the first time,
and suddenly seeing, in my minds eye, the suffering of the russian people.
I found myself in tears, and since then have been mindfull of their sacrifices.

I don't doubt the veracity of your conversation with Phillip Agee - that modus
operandi has been well documented in "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" by
John Perkins. Perkins now argues that predatory capitalism is now turning
on the country of its origin (USA); that an internal 'colour revolution' is
a very real possibility. Karma, I think its called :-)

We live in interesting times

Posted by: DavidKNZ | Nov 16 2016 21:14 utc | 166

Reply to Jack Smith (135)

Sorry, I don’t know. I don’t think I’m going to know either: that was an impenetrable array of videos you’ve linked to.

Interestingly, I was sent a link to this same site maybe five years ago and read there an article about a group that organised management courses for Local Authority workers and the like who had demonstrated outstanding leadership potential. I think the group was called Common Purpose or some such inspirational name. The management courses were fabulously expensive and covered intensive networking, paintball games, and the destruction of civilisation as we know it.

I wasn’t sure about the paintball games but the rest of it seemed about right so I never bothered to re-visit the website.

Posted by: EnglishOutsider | Nov 16 2016 21:14 utc | 167

Trump is being subject to the same media abuses as presidents Assad, Chavez, Putin, Kim jon Un and col Gaddafi

President elect Tru,p makes an appeal on 60 Minutes to his supporters to refrain from violence and the they dont air it

'CBS News flagship investigative program 60 Minutes conducted a recorded interview with Trump on Friday in which he made a direct plea on camera to any possible supporters to “Stop it,” in reference to anyone that may have written racist slogans or abusive language in public, or at schools. In light of the numerous pockets of protests and outbreaks of partisan violence which have racked America since the election results were announced last week, it would have been in the public interest to release this powerful appeal by Trump, but instead mainstream CBS buried it for 3 days until 60 Minutes was scheduled to air later on Sunday evening nationwide. If CBS had any credibility remaining, this certainly will have finished it off.
When told about alleged reports of a ‘Trump supporter’ who were said to have been harassing Latinos and Muslims following his presidential win, Trump told interviewer Leslie Stahl, “I am so saddened to hear that.” He then added, “And I say, ‘Stop it.’ If it helps, I will say this – and I will say right to the cameras: ‘Stop it.'”

One big thing in this incident that many mainstream media observers did not pick up is that at no time did Stahl give any specifics on these alleged “abuses” by Trump supporters against Muslims and Latinos, and even though it’s obvious that Trump was not responsible for directing any alleged abuses – Stahl still demanded an apology on their behalf – without offering any evidence to support her claim. This was ‘drive-by’ media at its worst. In fact, not one of these said accusations of abuse have been properly investigated by the media, and some may end up actually being media-generated rumors, or even hoaxes.

Posted by: brian | Nov 16 2016 21:30 utc | 168

@ 162 Posted by: Lochearn | Nov 16, 2016 3:46:24 PM |

The 20 million dead was an approximate number for the USSR casualties in WW2
For a reality check, try "Stalingrad" by Antony Beevor.
Putin has lost a brother to war, and I don't imagine he will be too impressed
with German tanks bearing the Iron Cross doing manoeuvres just Kms from his

I don't doubt the veracity of your conversation with Phillip Agee. The modus operandi
has been well described in "Confessions of an Economic Hitman' by John Perkins.
Perkins now argues that predatory capitalism is now returning to the country
of its origin (USA / eg Detroit?) and we can expect that similar internal unrest.

Similarly "Killing the Host" by Michael Hudson details the inevitable economic collapse
as the parasite eats its host
" Jobs to China?? We can make a killing "

We live in interesting times :-)

Posted by: DavidKNZ | Nov 16 2016 21:33 utc | 169

Yeah, Trump is going to be great!

The man who is responsible for stealing the election for Trump through voter disenfranchisement - Kris Kobach - is floating the idea of a Muslim registry in the US!!! Gee, where have I heard that idea before? Any Germans in the house?

More on the history of Kobach's plans:

Some history on how the GOP stole the election. But I'm sure it's really just b/c there are so many angry white people, right? Um,no.

Posted by: Ron Showalter | Nov 16 2016 21:42 utc | 170

@ rg the lg Yah, don't want to insult the Mongolians but hopefully some drunk nomadic Kazakh takes a hankering to Nuland and decides he needs a new wife.

Posted by: Erelis | Nov 16 2016 21:52 utc | 171

Posted by: Ron Showalter | Nov 16, 2016 4:42:13 PM | 168

that you Rufie?

Posted by: Killary PAC | Nov 16 2016 21:54 utc | 172

@164 Lozion

1st one is pretty well researched. Usual fare from Dr PCR. Something to chew on. All seem along the lines of the recent Veritas exposés vs DNC. The dirt dug on the exposed a Soros connection to an Aussie movement, GetUp that I have familiar with for some years now. As far as I can tell, these (on the face of it) are well meaning, liberal, progressive, internet collectives which appear to be fighting the good fight...but actually share some characteristics of terrorist sleeper cells... Opportunists timing the mood.


It Looks Like George Soros Is Funding The Trump Protests Just Like He Funded The Ferguson Riots

Dr. Paul Craig Roberts Asks If George Soros Has Committed Treason

George Soros Financed Anti-Trump Protests

Posted by: MadMax2 | Nov 16 2016 21:57 utc | 173

I don't get it. Cohen clearly is not impressed with Trump. he clearly thought Clinton would be better. His November 10th statement, while less critical than previous statements, was still highly un-flattering. Are you saying that that is what it means to be a "turncoat"? Seriously? That is very Stalinesque. the guy had an opinion. Trump won and he basically said, "well, that sucks, but hey, I guess even a pile of doo doo might be somewhat challenging to Russia". And he is right. So Putin's, I mean, Trump's team yells at him and rejects him because he would not bow down to Trump. You know who bowed down to Trump during the campaign? Gamblers with nothing to lose. They went for a longshot and won. That is no excuse to not hire the sane people who backed the safer, more sane pick. Do we want people running the government who sucked up to Trump despite knowing he is a scumbag? Or do we want people who did the right thing and did not support him? I get it. You remain loyal to your supporters. Everyone does that to a decent extent. But we are talking about Trump supporters here.

Posted by: Mars over Alberta | Nov 16 2016 21:57 utc | 174

Oh I get it.

As soon as I post links to how the election was stolen, someone takes rufus' name and then tries to destroy the thread both times.

THEN along comes another poster to tie and try us together in hopes of getting us both banned.

Wow, you guys are like super clever! I mean that in a 2003 sort of way.

Posted by: Ron Showalter | Nov 16 2016 21:57 utc | 175

of a Muslim registry in the US!!! Any Germans in the house?

why pick on ze Germans?

Gee, where have I heard that idea before?

Gee, I dunno . . . Israel, maybe?

Israel already has a Muslim Registry.

All the Muslims in Israel, and the [illegally] occupied territories (incl Jerusalem), are registered as "Muslim".

So, rather than copying ze germans, it looks like Trump is actually copying your Judeo-Fascist friends in Israel

Posted by: Killary PAC | Nov 16 2016 22:01 utc | 176

Trump is not the only putative fascist in the world. Some are well out of the 'putative' category. In India, where the rich openly do hate the poor and have for millenia, a fascist government demonstrates its unthinking, callous hatred ...

India’s Demonetization Devastates the Working Class and Poor

[I]n an India where the cancelled notes account for 86 percent of all the currency in circulation, where 90 percent of transactions occur with cash, and where 85 percent of workers get their incomes in cash, the result is a fatal blow to the most impoverished, as well as the working and middle class. This while the rich – the group most likely to be “cashless” – will likely remain unscathed.

Like Hillary and the DNC, they just don't know and just don't care. Can't be bothered to calculate the consequences of their actions.

Will there be some offhand Trumpian fiat with effects equivalent to the Modi demonitzation?

Black Agenda Radio for Week of Nov 14, 2016 [~7:15-8:30]

Cornell West :

Yeah ... I mean the problem with Donald Trump is he's out of control and in over his head so you can't take seriously hardly anything he's said. It's going to be a question of what he does. Now, he may end up being very, very pro-imperialist, pro-regime change, 'cause he doesn't know what he's doin'. He just doesn't know what he's doin'.

Cornell West's assessment of Trump certainly applies to Modi ... does it really apply to Trump as well?

It would be nice to read of some unequivocally sane actions coming from The Donald Himself. He seems not to have planned on winning. The present situation in the US seems to need attention ...

US Cities Are Declaring War on the Homeless: Report

...will it get it a la Modi? If not, say what DT.

I think DT needs to come to terms with winning. Wish he had considered the possibility a little more closely before it 'happened'.

His campaign was so clearly centered on his own persona that it will take a hefty application of Himself to put people at ease, or at least to know what they are and are not up against. Or is this the beginning of 4 years' strategy of tension?

Posted by: jfl | Nov 16 2016 22:18 utc | 177

Ron Showalter @173:

someone takes rufus' name
Slip of the tongue?

Sorry rufie, but "Ron" hasn't been here long enough to surmise that someone took your name. Those who have been here long enough have only speculated that it might so.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 16 2016 22:23 utc | 178

@158 Noirette

That is simply amazing. Casts 'Why don't we just take their oil?', or whatever DT did say, in a whole nw light, doesn't it?

Why fight Russia when there are other countries with the same sorts of resources who can't fight back?

We could make a deal. Divide 'en up.

Posted by: jfl | Nov 16 2016 22:26 utc | 179

@ 167 You wrote: 20 Million dead and 2 Chechen wars leave a stamp on the psyche.

Then you backtracked to: The 20 million dead was an approximate number for the USSR casualties in WW2.

Right. Okay.

Posted by: Lochearn | Nov 16 2016 22:37 utc | 180

@Lozion | Nov 16, 2016 3:54:54 PM | 164

Sorry, dun twitter how about The Duran Lost 60 Minutes interview that George Soros desperately tried to bury [Video]

CBS 60 minutes from Soro's mouth...

Posted by: Jack Smith | Nov 16 2016 22:37 utc | 181


I doubt that Cornell West knows just how prepared Trump is or isn't. Judging by the recent uproar, I'd guess that Trump is not being too open to those that seek to undermine his Presidency.

You want "unequivocally sane actions?" How about calling for his supporters to not engage in any violence - even without proof that they may have done so? (see brian @166 for more)

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 16 2016 22:41 utc | 182

Marcy Wheeler has a very insightful post up as to why DT's transition team deep-sixed Mike Rogers.

Posted by: jdmckay | Nov 16 2016 22:44 utc | 183

@ 178 Posted by: Lochearn | Nov 16, 2016 5:37:24 PM |
Not backtracking, just clarifying

Posted by: DavidKNZ | Nov 16 2016 22:45 utc | 184

You're right, JR, I guess I haven't ever been to this site before since that would require that I post something, right?

Or could I have read the site without having posted before? Is that a thing on the Internetz?

Don't worry, you don't look like a fool. Really.

Posted by: Ron Showalter | Nov 16 2016 22:51 utc | 185

So your phrase "She assumes Putin would blink;I don't. 20 Million dead and 2 Chechen wars leave a stamp on the psyche" is really worth nothing.

Posted by: Lochearn | Nov 16 2016 22:57 utc | 186

rufie/"Ron" @183

It's clear to everyone that you would not be able to restrain from commenting if you had been here before.

Sorry rufie. You outed yourself.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 16 2016 23:02 utc | 187


I think hoarsewhisperer said it best over a year ago when referring to your too-clever-by-half prediliction for getting in your own way:

"dumbfuckery writ large"

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 16 2016 23:07 utc | 188

Trump is dumping Giuliani, Newt and Bolton from the secretary of State. As I thought he will take a young woman for the job that involves a lot of travelling.
He is considering NIKKI HALEY, MC governor, whose parents are Indian Sikh and she did not support Trump!

Here go the anti-women and the anti-immigrant accusations
Trump is smart and pragmatic manager... His team will be outstanding.

Posted by: virgile | Nov 16 2016 23:08 utc | 189


Very, very true. I figure the people under Trump are really going to be a big factor in how his term is run, despite his independence being often mentioned as if late. I certainly think it will be the best indicator we will have at the time. I would want people under him to be less partisan and not engaged in bickering and choosing 'side,' like looking at politics as a soccer game.

I'm very curious to read who's part of his cabinet. Fingers crossed it's not filled with the same batch of neocons we've come to expect in these situations.

Posted by: FecklessLeft | Nov 16 2016 23:11 utc | 190

#188 Virgile

Unsure about not giving Ruddy and Newt a couple of cushy posts somwhere in the Admin, preferably not too important (ie. give them something they can't screw up too much). You gotta keep your friends close and reward loyalty, and Trump knows plenty about that.

Bolton is a neocon. He and his ilk belong in the septic tank of history. I hope Trump is not silly enough to let one of the smelliest pieces of garbage from the W team have another go, even if it's just for keeping the neoc**ts calm for a while.

Posted by: Quadriad | Nov 16 2016 23:13 utc | 191

@171 & @179. Thank you comrades (in the barfly sense not the roofus doofus Trotskyist one, lol)

Enlightning articles, especially the emptywheel one. Trump may very well try to "drain the swamp" or at least add some drano to unclog it a bit.. Now I wish b would cover the riots so we can bounce info off each other..

Posted by: Lozion | Nov 16 2016 23:20 utc | 192


"Trump is his own man, an alpha male who is the real decider in chief."

I'm not sure that I can agree that Trump is an alpha male. To me, he appears to be a non-alpha male whose inherited wealth permits him to behave as he thinks (incorrectly) an alpha male would behave, and as if he were in fact the alpha male he yearns to be.

Posted by: AntiSpin | Nov 16 2016 23:23 utc | 193

I keep repeating there will be unintended consequences one way or another and not jumping with joy. Wait and see Trump first 100 days and his nominees for keys’ positions, especially a vacated seat by associate justices Antonin Scalia.

There are gains and losses. Most likely the war in Syria will tone down. Dr. Assad survives to rebuilt the country. WW3 avoided, but at a price and who won? Russia Federation, Hezbollah and Iran and possibly China. I mention China, France Lafarge Holcim will be boot out and replace by China cement plant manufacturer.

Posted by: Jack Smith | Nov 16 2016 23:39 utc | 194

@181 jdmckay

Good read. Thank you.


I believe I have read just about enough here from you "peace-loving, trash - talking Clintonistas. You wanna go sew insurrection? Fine. But just get to it and make it big enough to bring in the militias so we can permanently deep six you boot-licking dipshits.

Forgive me but I just watched another round of jihadists warfare using western - provided atgms. Video over at "Ru videos" on youtube.

If you don't get behind Donald right now to rid the takfiris and send wahabism packing so mothers can be mothers in peace and children don't have to watch their father get splattered in the youtube video I just watched 10 years from now, then you are part of the problem. No exceptions. Fighting the empire begins at the edges of its reach and against the actors it employs.

I get home from work, I watch the Nusra rats, from dug-in positions, allowed because of humanitarian pauses, use taxpayer missiles to kill. Almost sickening, that after watching that, one should come here and see those that piss on any expeditious effort to liquidate this demonic scourge. Shame on you!

For the love of God, get out of Trumps way.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Nov 16 2016 23:58 utc | 195


Is she ready to heel for Israel? That's the only prerequisite.

Posted by: Circe | Nov 17 2016 0:02 utc | 196

@181 jdmckay

thanks for pointing out the emptywheel article.. marcy is very good as always.. to quote the end of the article-

"You can see where this is going. One of the first things Trump has done has been to ensure agreement in its national security team on this point: that by letting our Middle Eastern allies arm al Qaeda-allied fighters, the Obama Administration created the mess that is in Syria.

And unanimity on that point — accompanied by what is sure to be a very ugly campaign of recriminations against the Obama Administration for cooking intelligence (even aside from the merit of this claim, Flynn has been bitter about his firing for what he sees as objecting to this cooked intelligence) — will provide the basis for Trump to work with Putin on ending the civil war in Syria to Bashar al-Assad’s advantage."

Posted by: james | Nov 17 2016 0:32 utc | 197

@ Quadriad 190

Trump is too smart to have Bolton in a serious position in the admin. Trump wants dynamism, novelty, imagination and flexibility. Bolton is obsolete.

During the campaign he chose the right persons to bring him a success and did not hesitate to replace them when needed.
He made Kellyanne Conway the first female campaign manager ever who brought success to her client. Women should rejoice, but the media hardly mentions that, still mourning pathetic Hillary.

I trust Trump will chose the right persons in his administration.

Posted by: virgile | Nov 17 2016 0:41 utc | 198

@juliana #155 Thanks for the appreciative post posting at MoA is always for anyone a raffle as ppl ignore posts where the poster has obviously put in a lot of work & has something new & incisibe to say, then get all over something that is less thought thru & novel.
Not that #72 was researched or novel, just a reaction to the polarization in here at the moment. As soon as the pols split thinking humans into antagonistic groups their job is done.

On your point about all the warships off the kaikoura coast as I understand it they were all coming to NZ anyway as a part of the oblamblamblam 'pivot'.
All part of the myth that the anti-nuke policy Aotearoa adopted put them on the 'other side' when in fact it was pure camouflage. Kiwis getting distracted by Lange pretending to argue with amerika permitted important research into methodologies for implementing neoliberalism. That was back in the 80's - Aotearoa was, prior to the Lange mob, a committed agrarian socialist state until an alleged leftish, but in fact neoliberal government, tore it all down in the space of three years. No one really gave a flying fuck about 'the death of anzus' or kiwis not turning up for the next imperial theft (which they didn't - the kiwis fronted in iraq & afghanistan) because they only ever send a couple of platoons of tangata whenua with generation before last equipment.
On the other hand important data was gathered about how far reasonably aware populations can be pushed before they object to their community assets being given away for 1 cent on the dollar. The pretense is no longer necessary as I understand it everything as been taken, all data collated decades ago, so now it doesn't matter. Kiwis can get as hot under the collar about nukes as they like - even if they still cared sufficiently to do anything they couldn't, they are so deep in hock to the global elite now their only option is to 'go with the flow'.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Nov 17 2016 1:21 utc | 199


I think you would do the world a good service if you would describe rufie's sordid history at MoA in a post. The pretenses, the obfuscations, the combativeness, the use of dummy accounts, etc. He is an excellent example of the utter bullshit that is foisted upon the world by the interests which he slyly advocates for.

What sticks out in my mind is rufie's:

>> use of unverifiable information about himself and/or his family to gain trust (one example: despite his overwhelming concern with Nazis and Israel, he tells us that he himself is not Jewish he merely has concerns for a Jewish family member);

>> weak criticism of Israel so as to pretend to be independent while refusing to:

> walk back his callously offensive "one down just over 12 mil. to go" remark regarding the death of an innocent Palestinian;

> prove his stated support for the Palestinians and the BDS Movement by linking to their website (on at least two occasions);

>> claim to be a socialist but act like a Hillbot;

>> utter shamelessness, and dogged persistence, of his bullshit;

>> whatever-it-takes immorality: a proven plagiarizer, liar, and slanderer, and now ...

>> ... use of multiple handles and (probable) attempt at false-flag attacks on MoA - he made himself the prime suspect of these attacks when he wrote @173:

As soon as I post links to how the election was stolen, someone takes rufus' name and then tries to destroy the thread both times.
>> "dumbfuckery write large" - the truth will out because he can not contain his asshat nature.

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I think we an surmise that rufie wanted to shed his Hillbot persona in order to attack Trump without that partisan baggage.

He chose to enhance the anti-Trump messaging of his new persona ("Ron Showalter") with a false-flag attack that appeared to be from someone that was trying to discredit his former pro-Hillary persona ("rufus magister").

It's as devilishly clever as it is disturbing. How many other 'rufies' are out there do WHATEVER-IT-TAKES to destroy Trump and reasoned dialogue?

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 17 2016 2:18 utc | 200

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