Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
November 29, 2016

Trump Is Trying To Divert Us From - What?

Another Trump tweet, another fake scandal:

Donald J. Trump Verified account @realDonaldTrump

Nobody should be allowed to burn the American flag - if they do, there must be consequences - perhaps loss of citizenship or year in jail!

3:55 AM - 29 Nov 2016

That burning flag stuff is no so exiting. The oh so luberal Hillary Clinton tried to punish flag burning too. In 2005, as Senator from New York, she introduced the Flag Protection Act of 2005 to achieve that:

It called for a punishment of one year in jail and a fine of $100,000.

The act was not taken up by Congress. During her recent campaign Clinton strongly condemned the burning of an Israeli flag.

In 2006 a vote for a constitutional amendment to punish flag burning failed in the Senate. The Supreme Court had ruled in 1989 that the burning of the U.S. flag, or any other flag, is free speech covered by the first amendment. It is settled law and there is little to no chance that it will change. The issue is a political gimmick that is used every once a while to set up certain conservative groups against certain free speech defenders.

As such it is a diversion.

More important is that Trump is suggesting a "loss of citizenship" as a punishment. That should really enrage people. Loss of citizenship for using free speech rights?!? If Trump would try to implement that a real revolution would be justified.

But I believe it is, like many other things Trump says, just red meat for the media and his supporters. They will be busy covering this for a full news cycle or even longer.

During his campaign Trump used such gimmicks to divert attention from this or that scandal involving him or his business whenever such threatened to creep up to the top news line. It always worked like a charm. The media fell for each and every new "scandal" he fabricated with a few tweets or lines on the campaign trail. Journalists, "experts" and editors went off to discuss his latest bit while Trump's huge scandals, like his University scam, barely made the headline.

But why is Trump doing this now? Where does he has to divert attention from?

The recounts the Green candidate Stein tries to initiate are not endangering him. Stein collected several million dollars knowing that the legal conditions and time for such recounts do not exist. It is basically a scam to cover her pension.

Trump's cabinet selections are the usual horror troupe of Republican U.S. administrations. There is no real surprise there and no scandal.

So what is Trump trying to cover up here? Is some long-read piece with scandalous details about him and his daughter ready to go to print? Is he doing something else he does not want us to see?

I have been looking around all day and find no answer. Any ideas?

Posted by b on November 29, 2016 at 11:49 AM | Permalink

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Trump thrives on substance-free, emotionally charged, off-the-cuff utterances that will be obsessed over by the media and tossed aside within a few days in time for his next outrageous utterance.
His comments on flag-burning are not particularly significant in that they are fully consistent with his media style.

Posted by: ralphieboy | Nov 30, 2016 5:32:41 AM | 101

@ Grieved | Nov 30, 2016 12:25:42 AM | 88

Glad to know there is at least one who didn't sleep through 'American Civics' class. Thanks for the well written comment. ZeroHedge had a electoral map of what it would be like without the Electoral College:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-20/united-states-america-without-electoral-college

Your vote would be effective ONLY in the larger and largest states as drawn. Elsewhere your citizenship isn't worth anything when electing the president.

One thing that hasn't been mentioned that is fundamental to the argument is that when the constitutional convention considered their remit, the hastily formed Confederation of otherwise independent colonies was to be changed into a tightly bound Federation of individual political states. Their popular vote was to be represented by that state's representation in the federal government (as adjusted by official national constituted census). The Electoral College has been under attack by shallow, thoughtless groups for a very long time, none of which have been successful in getting to first base with their ideas.

I do differ with your appreciation of Psychohistorian's contributions here. Enlarging their nom-de-blog to Psychoceramichistorian crosses awareness whenever their ubiquitously repeated theology appears. Psychoceramic = crackpot. A fine mind gone to waste.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Nov 30, 2016 6:02:56 AM | 102

Neither Trump nor Hillary were ever scheduled to wear the purple. They are both stalking horses for another who will be awarded the laurel on or just after 17 Jan 17. You have a constitutional lawyer in power who has set up a constitutional crisis, an economic crisis, and a societal crisis for specific eschatological outcomes. Your system is being deliberately crashed to usher in a new age. Your dollar will be no more. It is due to be replaced with a carbon dollar because in this coming age no man shall buy or sell except he who has the signifier of all life...ie...carbon.

But what is a gore...it is blood, yes, it is a horn, yes, and it is a triangle. Hmmm.

Why does the Book of John include a rehashed Pythagorean legend in as much as Jesus engages with fishermen who catch 153 fish.? 153 is afterall the sum of the minor Pythagorean triangle. And why does Revelations include the sum of the major Pythagorean triangle is 666.?

A mans name that means triangle.?

He wants every thought of your mind and every work of your hands engaged in only one thing...carbon.

He is preceded by a horn. He is a horn. What is a Ciorn.?

Is not a barack a horn of power...a lightning bolt.?

What is al Baraq.? Does he precede the 12th Madhi.?


And what of al Kadir...the green one...he gains traction around the entire globe...he is weed...but his place of worship was always Qom...and what now is at Qom but the abomination which causes desolation.?

And why are red heifers in such high demand. And what's with the Vilna Gaon and footsteps related to the northern one taking Crimea and shortly thereafter Constantinople.?

And where was it I read about Kerry's trip to the south pole and permission sought there nearby an old Norwegian and at one time Nazi base.?

A few have been busy curating for the Apocalypse.

But as Baz says its not the Apocalypse until it is the Apocalypse.

Relax...its all good...

Posted by: pubumwei | Nov 30, 2016 6:39:15 AM | 103

pubumwei @ 103

hey dude! if you're perplexed about the meaning of life, i've got a suggestion for you...

give ALL of your worldly possessions away...

and you'll have your answer real fast.

Posted by: john | Nov 30, 2016 7:17:57 AM | 104

100.Yes.I knew one guy who burned the flag,way back in 71?.He was an ex marine turned hippie.Vietnam time.
Me,I never had the inclination,as the flag is the symbol of America,not what we are or do,which of course can be very problematic,but what it represents,freedom and justice for all, sadly corrupted by humans.
It's a beautiful thing,Old Glory.I guess Donald feels the same way.
Michigan certified Trump yesterday btw.Doesn't that mean they did recount already?
And the only places that are giving these alleged surplus votes for the HB are California and other immigrant rich areas.
Which of course means thank God for the EC.

Posted by: dahoit | Nov 30, 2016 9:09:47 AM | 105

For those interested, here is a short vid on the EC.

"Every four years it seems U.S. voters need to be reminded how the Electoral College works and how it serves the Republic. Prager University Foundation provides this short video on what the Electoral College is, its purpose, how it works and why America's Founders made it a bedrock in U.S. Presidential elections"...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6s7jB6-GoU

Posted by: h | Nov 30, 2016 10:16:00 AM | 106

"More important is that Trump is suggesting a "loss of citizenship" as a punishment. That should really enrage people. Loss of citizenship for using free speech rights?!? If Trump would try to implement that a real revolution would be justified."

Well, what if a law was passed that said, "burning the US flag is an expression of an intention to forfeit one's citizenship." You couldn't possibly have a problem with a law then, could you? If so, on what basis? People will have been DULY WARNED. The flag itself is not the point, the point is that the action is an expression of a desire to leave and/or destroy the country. Maybe flag burners should be just be set on fire?

Posted by: Old Ez | Nov 30, 2016 10:27:05 AM | 107

McConnell's father-in-law, Elaine Chao's father's cargo ship was busted with 40 kilos, 90 lbs of cocaine. Nothing has come of it. Story is buried. Google McConnell and Cocaine.

Elaine Chao should have a natural talent for distributing stuff. She's a good choice for heading up a government agency to distribute money.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDkl7oRNmG4

Hillary and Bill get off the hook, too. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Posted by: fastfreddy | Nov 30, 2016 10:46:06 AM | 108

>>>> Posted by: Shh | Nov 30, 2016 12:27:25 AM | 89

So, what news from Syria?

Oh, nothing much, 18,000+ civilians have now escaped from East Aleppo (thousands more fled into Kurdish custody in the Sheikh Maqsoud district) along with 647 rebel fighters who have surrendered themselves to the SAA (most have been amnestied and might have joined the SAA), the rebels in West Ghouta have surrendered, with most Syrians being amnestied and foreigners on their way to the killing fields of Idlib, another town's fallen in East Ghouta.....
Generally, it's all quiet on the Syrian Front.
For the most timely and usually accurate news from Syria visit Al Masdar News

Posted by: Ghostship | Nov 30, 2016 10:49:12 AM | 109

@81 circe.. thanks.. you articulated it much better then i and gave quotes too!

Posted by: james | Nov 30, 2016 11:22:18 AM | 110

Anyone who is secure with their choice shouldn't worry about Green Party recount. What's wrong with ensuring the voting system is clean? Look at the monopoly! They're both in the business of enslavement of the masses. They just use a different poison; but the result is always the same. Always. And it will be the same with the savior Trump as it was with the savior Obama! The little people are still the vassals of the Anglo/Zio empire.

The bosses of the American mass are Zionist corporations together with a military industrial complex that guarantees trillions in spending and a coming world war that the masses must work like slaves to pay for. And Trump will accelerate this outcome and fleece the sheep with a theater of nationalistic pomp and racist fervor against Islam to prepare the sheep for war against Iran. While Hillary would have taken a slower route fleecing the sheep with promises of better entitlements paid for by another generation marching off to war. So what's the f...cking difference? The outcome is the same. They both represent the Zionist Neocon agenda; the 1% elite and Trump is part of the latter. So quit babbling like there's any difference. The only legitimate and truthful conclusion is the one that recognizes that Trump is the same sh...t as Hillary and the only difference is in how they keep the slavish mass happy and riled up for war.

The only discussion that matters is recognizing this fixed monopoly and figuring out how to get the masses out the Democratic and Republican induced stupor and dangerous rut.

Posted by: Circe | Nov 30, 2016 11:54:42 AM | 111

lol.. so true circe.. and how do you get people to do that? what have you figured out as a way forward here, other then articulating the problem, which i think you do fairly well..

Posted by: james | Nov 30, 2016 12:30:29 PM | 112

America is no longer great

-> Make America Great Again

Burning the flag was ‘permitted’

-> Burning The No.1. symbol of America intentionally is criminal

See, it is all perfectly logical! :) :)

I don’t think DT is diverting attention, this is just regular twit - er brawling. And the flag is … easy game. (By fire, scissors? gunshot?)

In France, ‘outrage’ perpetrated on the ‘symbols of France’ (purposefully vague), which includes btw parodies of the National Anthem, the Marseillaise, (1) became a new ‘crime’ care of Sarkozy the First, 2003, then Min. of the Interior. If committed by a member of the Army, 5 years in prison! (For lesser beings, such as individual nutters, and different contexts, the penalties are softer.)

All this created perpetual media storms and huge polemical discussions on 3 hour TV shows.. (= Distraction.)

One event, 2010, was a photograph of a man wiping his bum with the F Flag in some photo exhibit. Nobody was convicted of anything, but it provoked yet another change in the law…, to include ‘representations’ of ‘outrage’ even when committed ‘in private space’ which then enter ‘public space’ etc. etc. Or something like that.

Sigh. (Convictions have been nil or very minor.)

1. Whistling during it / refusing to sing it / etc. is also (Maybe? Even star lawyers can’t make sense of it all) considered an ‘outrage.’

Posted by: Noirette | Nov 30, 2016 12:40:44 PM | 113

Someone in this thread said that "Jeff Session is not establishment". I spit my fucking coffee out. I can't figure out if it's the funniest thing I've read or the stupidest. Could be both.

Posted by: Anonymous 2 | Nov 30, 2016 12:49:37 PM | 114

Now Stein has allowed the dems to buy her ass, one has to wonder - why? Debs is dead at 60.

Because carreerism, because her position was always to get ahead in a major party (not Repub. obviously), to capitalise on her popularity.

Many Greens are like that all over the OECD world. They get ‘splinter support’, often quite high in votes, using seductive discourse, to then join the Top Brass promoting "renewables" using all kinds of inclusive and enviro-friendly, vague but marginal, leftist discourse, avoiding the 'economy' and 'real numbers' and for that matter deeper politics …e.g. “sustainable communities” , “sharing”, “grass roots initiatives”, “husbanding energy”, “respecting traditional ways of life”, “integrating people”, “developping solar”, "promoting electric cars" and forbidding plastic bags, etc. etc.

The powerful party apparatus integrates them as a ‘voice’ for whatever is the gout-du-jour memes and everyone, including the dominant energy conglomerates are all happy. The person earns potentially …well a lot.

Sorry to be so cynical and negative but I have seen Greens do this time and time again.

I don’t hate or dislike Jill Stein. Just, that is the general trend and from what I have seen (maybe superficial) she is not different from the mold.

The ways of the world…and Nature bats last...

Posted by: Noirette | Nov 30, 2016 12:58:53 PM | 115

November 30, 2016 You cannot make this stuff up

"On Sunday, a number of ISIS militants were killed after exchanging fire with Israeli soldiers in the Golan Heights, in the first direct clashes between Israel and the Islamic State group.

Several mortar shells exploded following a brief exchange with the Israeli infantry soldiers before an Israeli aircraft bombed a vehicle armed with a heavy machine gun.

Hours later a second round of Israeli airstrikes targeted a facility controlled by ISIS fighters in the Syrian Golan Heights, according to the IDF spokesperson's unit.
read more": http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.756132

Posted by: ALberto | Nov 30, 2016 1:09:53 PM | 116

91

Democrats
Democrat Party

Republicans
Republican Party (not Republicanic Party)

Greens
Green Party (not Greenic Party)

By the way, 'to' is pronounced TOOOO, not TUHHH, Obama! You've perjured English language. Oh, and it's AHHHFFFGHHAnistan, like 'Open your mouth and say AHHH', not AAA, like asshole, and Canada does not come in a CAN, it's CAAHHH NAAHHH DAAHHH, you bloody elitist USAryans.

Mexico is MEHHEEKO, not MEKKSEECO. Москва is pronounced MOSSKVAH, not MOSCOW, you c*nts. And it's KOOOBAH, not QUEUEBAH, ...although after the Castros are gone, it will be a long queue for the 10Ms of retired and dispossessed USAryans praying for affordable healthcare in Cuba!

Posted by: chipnik | Nov 30, 2016 1:10:47 PM | 117

me @ 116

Salient point being "controlled by ISIS fighters in the Syrian Golan Heights"

Posted by: ALberto | Nov 30, 2016 1:16:13 PM | 118

@112

It starts with not beating around the bush pretending Trump is something different. It consists in attacking the Neocon Zionist narrative whether it's dribbled by Trump and his pundits or the other sides' pundits.

There's so much to shred already with Trump. Look at who he's stacking his cabinet with; he met twice with Romney and wined and dined him, and yesterday met with Petraeus; this is very bad, and everyone else who's already confirmed. There's no change there. It's worst than ever!

Why continue to indulge a narrative of deception and think the best of what Trump will do when he's already made it crystal clear?

The only reason I supported Trump over Hillary days before the election is because, at that stage, the other parties weren't going to win and I resigned myself to the hope that during his Presidency he'll do something so stupid that will outrage everyone and also demonstrate his collusion with the Zionist Neocon system which is already happening and ignite some kind of massive response from the public at some point. That's the only hope I see; Trump unwittingly setting off a revolutionary reaction. However in the meantime, he should be condemned for exactly what he represents; a great shill for the empire, as Obama was a great shill; because both are adept at fooling the masses into thinking they represent hope and change. They were chosen because they have the best acting skills. There's nothing else to see there.

Posted by: Circe | Nov 30, 2016 1:18:23 PM | 119

Don't know if he really cares what anyone thinks but he just may not want too many people to realize that he is appointing nothing but neo cons to his administration. Trotsky is long dead but he is about to gain final conquest of the United States.
When only Rothschild cabal owned prostitutes can get their names on the ballot, this is bound to be the eventual outcome.
Look for an early act of Trump to push hard to move Israel's capital to Jerusalem.

Posted by: Tony B. | Nov 30, 2016 1:23:51 PM | 120

Haaretz wrote "Syrian Golan Heights."

Posted by: ALberto | Nov 30, 2016 1:29:52 PM | 121

120

Look for an early act of Trump to push hard to move Israel's capital to New York City.

Posted by: chipnik | Nov 30, 2016 1:33:17 PM | 122

Circe @119:

There's nothing else to see there.
Then why so much resistance to Trump? And why the Hasbara nonsense that you drone on about incessantly?

I'm not buying what you're selling.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 30, 2016 1:34:32 PM | 123

Haaretaz SYRIAN GOLAN HEIGHTS

Posted by: ALberto | Nov 30, 2016 1:54:30 PM | 124

Circe 119 is quite right: Anyone who seriously expected(s?) a 'change' from Trump is delusional.

Also, I'm still waiting for a convincing answer to my question: Why would a billionaire businessman (with billionaire friends) fight for the interests of the common folk? Why would anyone expect him to improve their economic situation?

And no, I certainly wouldn't hope for much from Hillary, either. As somebody once said, The US has a one-party system with two right wings. How far right is Trump's wing, and what does that mean for the social fabric of the country?

Posted by: smuks | Nov 30, 2016 1:55:25 PM | 125

He is trying to divert us from---well, from Donald Trump. The subject and the object are alway Donald Trump. He has nothing else to offer except himself, his personality, his outsized self-regard. Don't be fooled. The whole Trump thing is much more transparent that you might think, inspirte of all the Twitter bullshit. Twitter is an insidious, nasty incursion in our lives, second only to Facebook. What trash.

Posted by: Quentin | Nov 30, 2016 1:58:41 PM | 126

Lol I called Obama the democrat Bush. Well Trump is the republican Obama. A total con job that the idiot American public voted in. Obviously there was not much of a choice; Hillary was threatening Russia over Syria,etc.
Everybody should be hoping that, by some miracle, the Jill Stein recount somehow succeeds in bringing Hillary back. As bad as she is, Trump will probably be far far worse.

Posted by: aaaa | Nov 30, 2016 2:03:36 PM | 127

chipnik@122 - "...Look for an early act of Trump to push hard to move Israel's capital to New York City..."

They spent a lot of time and shekels moving their capitol to Washington D.C. - why relocate now?

Posted by: PavewayIV | Nov 30, 2016 2:06:40 PM | 128

Thanks to both Jonathan and Psychohistorian, and especially to Grieved @ 88 - I respect you all. In reading the links you provided, Psychohistorian, I extracted the following quote
"...states’ rights advocates won the right for the state legislatures to choose electors as they saw fit and proponents of legislative supremacy were perhaps assuaged with the electors as intermediary between the people and the president..."

This triggered my high school history class memory, foggy at best, that in order to become a federal union, there had to be compromises with the independent states in intricate detail through all of the linkage between powers of the legislature and the rights of the states - a present day functioning of this is to be found in the Russian Federation. Doing away with the electoral college does do damage to states rights.

Then, your second answer, Jonathan, homed in on the question of some states being "white" and others not so much. (Here in New Mexico, we have a lot of Spanish heritage citizens, for instance, plus a Native American population, so tri-cultural at best.) I don't know how that becomes a huge factor, all other matters being equal, which they certainly ought to be. But eliminating, or making less relevant, states' rights does make me feel uneasy, as I think it's another assault on 'e pluribus unum' - which I know you prefer, Psychohistorian,( as do I,) to 'in God we trust' - the latter being extremely exclusionary. I don't like it in the Pledge of Allegiance either, and I won't say it. It's not Constitutional.

Which brings me to Grieved @88 - and I do thank you for this comment, Grieved. This is what I learned about in college, the painstaking care all the founders had to get it right and not give power to either Federal or States that abridged each one's right to have a say in important matters, especially that no one group could be the choosers of the executive.

And I still say cui bono? with respect to what happens if popular vote supercedes here. As it stands, Hillary would be just fine with it, and without checking if the votes were properly counted, it seems Trump would be happy with that. So I still think Jill is doing the right thing.

Posted by: juliania | Nov 30, 2016 2:09:53 PM | 129

@120 True, and also look at response to 122

@122 It already happened.

@123 You're the hasbara always dogging me droning on about my lying eyes and trying so hard to smear me as hasbara. Why are you so hot and bothered when only a fig leaf is covering up the NeoconZionist in Trump? I'm only pointing to the obvious. Trump's moves all add up to imperial SHILL.

Posted by: Circe | Nov 30, 2016 2:09:55 PM | 130

@120 @122

He'll move the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem but the capital of Israel has already been moved to the U.S.; and one can speculate on whether it's NYC or Washington. Let's just say that the Zionist power brokers mostly live in the former and pull operate in the latter.

Posted by: Circe | Nov 30, 2016 2:24:28 PM | 131

T-Bear,andonandonomous, and Adelbrand, thanks also.

Posted by: juliania | Nov 30, 2016 2:28:29 PM | 132

pull... the levers/ operate in the latter

Posted by: Circe | Nov 30, 2016 2:29:33 PM | 133

@ juliania | Nov 30, 2016 2:28:29 PM | 132

de nada, Grieved @ 88 did a splendid job responding to your comments; thorough, accurate and informative. My small addition only added a perspective to frame the prior informed commentary based upon contemporary historical records.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Nov 30, 2016 2:42:36 PM | 134

@119 circe.. thanks.. we see it much the same, although as a canuck i am not following the whole show as closely and don't have a lead sheet on all the characters in the same way..

lol everyone - regarding moving the capital.. i am with whoever said it was already in washington or new york.. that seems fairly obvious..

Posted by: james | Nov 30, 2016 3:27:47 PM | 135

For those wailing about Trump as establishment:

OF COURSE HE IS!

But he is a different faction than Hillary and her cronies. AFAICT the difference is essentially how the Empire is run. Those most butt hurt about the Trump win seem to want to overturn the election by throwing it to Congress.

The Hasbara smear that Trump is some sort of Zionist stooge appears to be part of the numerous attacks on Trump that started right after election day (similar to the immediate campaign to reverse BREXIT). I can't think of any reason for such attacks except to prepare for overturning the election.

Isn't it strange that Trump is depicted by some as a Nazi AND by others as a Zionist??

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 30, 2016 4:22:18 PM | 136

Trump is simply forgetting to add something to his tweets that maybe he assumes are implied by the fact that it's a tweet. Someone needs to program his PC-phone to add IMO or IMHO to his tweets. Then people will understand.

Posted by: Curtis | Nov 30, 2016 4:25:05 PM | 137

@Curtis #137
That's your opinion

Posted by: From The Hague | Nov 30, 2016 4:32:01 PM | 138

@136

Bullshit. Oh and Zionists are today's nazis; same supremacist difference.

Posted by: Circe | Nov 30, 2016 4:57:56 PM | 139

Welcome to the Bubble-verse ....

Posted by: woogs | Nov 30, 2016 5:04:51 PM | 140

@126 quentin, 'He is trying to divert us from---well, from Donald Trump.'

Bingo. There is no 'there' there. Just an endless stream of incendiary statements to keep the man in the 'news'.

More on "not a dime's worth of difference" ... not from the TNC msm.

Obama extends global reach of US Special Operations death squads


“Obama has normalized the idea that presidents get to have secret large-scale killing programs at their disposal.”

Obama was at pains, in his first post-election statement, to dismiss the bitter vituperation of the election campaign, declaring that the electoral struggle between the Democrats and Republicans was merely “an intramural scrimmage.” This is profoundly true: both parties represent the same class, the American financial aristocracy, and its global interests, defended in the final analysis by death and destruction inflicted by the American military machine.


... what you get for your dime is that, for instance, Trump huffs and he puffs before he blows your door in, while with Obama and the TNC media, people can claim that they didn't know what hit them.

I wonder how wsws.org missed the Pro-Porno-t(eam)'s 'initial set of sites that ‘reliably echo Russian propaganda’? Probably didn't want to draw attention to it.

Posted by: jfl | Nov 30, 2016 6:07:04 PM | 141

@ Circe, et al

Please, I would like Circe or anyone else to try to explain to me how Donald Trump is going to go after Iran. I need to know. I am completely in the dark as to how Donald Trump is going to gather the military, the people, and the elites to go get 'em. Is he just going to gather his cabinet together on Jan. 20 and push executive orders to "bomb" Iran? Is he busy, right now, working up a story of how the Revolutionary Guard is beheading civilians in their conquest of Iraq/Syria? Is he going to lure Putin into betraying Iran? Please...Tell me!

Otherwise...you got nothing. Syria has shown the world that behind the bumbling countenance (John Kirby @ the State Dept.), we had a lousy hand. THEY couldn't even gather the support to bomb Syria. It was a good story, no doubt, and it even hoodwinked my mother who watches cnn that we have to do something about Assad's chemical weapon use. But to no avail. The American people saw through it. Shelve the war plans. Pull stakes at the bivouac. No more wars in the middle east. Israel, schmisrael.

How? How? How? What path is there? I hope your unnecessary warnings are innocent, and if they are, just pull up a seat and chill. It is a great relief and with a laugh to see America trying to sit at the big-boy table this go around. There is no new enemy to be conquered for we are already on our way to conquering them at home.

...

off-topic, but I agree that it would be nice to have b feature pizzagate. Voat has been spearheading the effort since the reddit and twitter crackdown and censorship. There are far too many creepy coincidences and repeated use of pedophilic symbolism in the logos of groups affiliated with the Clinton foundation. A recent discovery found that the father from the infamous Hampstead case has direct ties to HRC and the Clinton Foundations dealings in Haiti.

Like I said...it is enough to give pause.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Nov 30, 2016 7:05:00 PM | 142

@146 Forget about Circe who obsesses over Iran. I have asked him the same thing and all he can answer is some vague false flag type scenario..

Yes, PizzaGate has potiential if this investigation is put in pro hands. I have tried Glenn Greenwald but no answers yet. The thing is this being so huge and outrageous it must scare alot of insiders and journos alike.
We'd need a Snowden type informer who could provide solid evidence to blow this into the mainstream.
One can hope..

Posted by: Lozion | Nov 30, 2016 9:17:27 PM | 143

Rt.com publishes an article on pizzagate in french:

https://francais.rt.com/international/29919-tweet-dandrew-breitbart-alimente-theories-reseau-pedophile-washington

Ps: I speak french if anyone needs details..

Posted by: Lozion | Nov 30, 2016 9:45:34 PM | 144

@ Lozion

I agree. I also keep telling my wife that there needs to be a smoking gun of such magnitude that to not broadcast would mean overt complicity. I am hoping as well. This is a scandal unlike anything before...

And I get that people are still worried about neocon hawks, but Trump is no true-believer. As I listened to the debates, I realized he knows nada about the inner-workings of the ME and instead views it a la monolith...i.e. Brown-skins and oil. The bones he threw were carefully orchestrated by people who knew how to maximize appeasement. A bone here for the peaceniks, a bone here for the evangelical zionists. Ultimately, and I am clearly projecting here, I feel Trump will act prudently but will be tied-up in the coming economic readjustment. It might finally be Israel-second.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Nov 30, 2016 9:56:43 PM | 145

#94-THIS IS A VERY GOOD PLAN..DRIVE ENEMIES-DEMONCRATS-CRAZY. MR.PUTIN DO IT FOR MANY YEARS.THEY NEVER FIGURE OUT WHATS HIS NEXT MOVE.

Posted by: sejmon | Nov 30, 2016 10:08:01 PM | 146

@149 Nemesis Except we dont know yet who will be in cabinet. If Gabbard takes State then we have a chance at de-escalation. Otherwise you are right, draintheswamp may have been a sham all along..

One thing to consider about pizzagate, the renewal of the buzz came partially when an old Breitbart tweet was dug up and gave it momentum. Trump's new right hand man is of course Steve Bannon who was close to Breitbart, must know something about those allegations. Could he or will he act on this?

Posted by: Lozion | Nov 30, 2016 10:55:07 PM | 147

@147

@146 Forget about Circe who obsesses over Iran. I have asked him the same thing and all he can answer is some vague false flag type scenario.

LIAR. And I don't obsess over Iran. Almost everyone Trump added to his national security team obsesses over Iran and rattles sabres against Iran. (fig. of speech, in case you want to paraphrase me wrongly again). I'm pointing out an obvious fact; so that individuals like you can't spin it otherwise.

How do you think those goons Trump hired will justify the war with Iran they're salivating for when there is no excuse for one? They'll have to fake intelligence as in the case of Iraq or create a false flag incident. THERE IS NO OTHER WAY, because Iran will never attack first; Iran has never attacked any country; but it has been attacked and has been given multiple cause to retaliate including a CIA/Mossad instigated coup. Iran only retaliated against Saddam Hussein's aggression. So if Trump and the ret. military thugs he's hired want to attack Iran; they'll have to fabricate a casus belli. Get it? Quit spinning my comments to make yourself look credible! Maybe that's what you do on infowars and breitbart--fudge facts so they don't blemish your perfect image and illusion of Trump. You're just like obamabots - savior trump can do no wrong!

Meet the new boss; same as the old boss; there is no distinction between either party; and the fact that you pretend Trump's soooo different speaks volumes about your instincts and perception. It's a two-party monopoly; all a scam and your type help to perpetrate it.

Posted by: Circe | Nov 30, 2016 11:04:45 PM | 148

@150&94

You give Trump far more credit than he's worth. He's about to shatter your illusion.

Posted by: Circe | Nov 30, 2016 11:12:27 PM | 149

...Look for an early act of Trump to push hard to move Israel's capital to New York City. ..

Hope Trump succeed. Israel's first move after declared NY the capital of Israel: All Jews and Jewish descendant have the right to move to the State of NY and claim any land for "settlement.” The State of NY will enact laws similar to West Banks, Philistine..... everyone except Jews are 2nd class citizens, shoot to kill, bulldozer protesters home, blah, blah, blah....

Hallelujah, AMEN

Posted by: Jack Smith | Nov 30, 2016 11:14:35 PM | 150

@Circe #152, 153:

FWIW, I never took Trump's Iran bashing seriously. Saying that the US finally reaching an agreement with Iran was "the worst deal I've ever seen" was just part of Trump's narrative that Obama did not accomplish anything good in his presidency, IMO.

I read Trump as a realist, in the international relations sense of the term. So I expect that he will accept Iran as a legitimate regional power, and he will get the people he appoints to follow suit.

Draining the swamp that is the State Department of neocons is another matter. That is a major challenge for him.

Posted by: Adalbrand | Dec 1, 2016 12:28:07 AM | 151

@Circe

They've pointed out the impracticality of a war with Iran. You've responded with innuendo.

Hillary-Obama's pro-ISIS "leading from behind" suck-up to foreign interests has been an disaster. Trump's "America First" policy orientation means that USA is much less likely to be drawn into a war than if Hillary were President.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Dec 1, 2016 12:35:34 AM | 152

@156

The Republicans and Democrats are like one party with two heads for crying out loud! They're all working for the same Neocon/Zionist imperial goal. Quit with the Hillary is worse than Trump bull; they're both just as bad. What is "America First", when you have a den of Zionists in Washington calling the shots for Israel and Trump's in bed with all of them? How can you be this naïve or expect anyone else to deny reality? It's like you're trying to convince me the emperor has clothes, when he's freaking naked!

Look at his cabinet picks:

Sessions, immigration racist Islamophobe, Iranophobe, Russiaphobe,
Flynn, NSA, Islamophobe and Iranophobe,
Pompeo, CIA, Neocon Iranophobe Russiaphobe,
Steve Mnuchin Treasury Zionist who worked 17 years at Goldman Sachs and Mnuchin's father worked there for 30 years!

and Trump's considering Mattis for DOD another Iranophobe general and Tom Cotton a hardcore crazy Neocon loon and then the candidates he's interviewed for SoS - Bolton - Zionist Neocon Islamophobe/Iranophobe Loon, Romney - Neocon Russiaphobe/Iranophobe, Giuliani - Neocon Islamophobe loon and Petraeus - Iranophobe, Russiaphobe and Palin for interior - Christian Zionist loon, Islamophobe, Iranophobe and Russiaphobe.

Need I draw a picture to make it clearer? No, you're perfectly fine with that! You just want everyone to drink the Kool-Aid so you can sell them Trump as different.

Posted by: Circe | Dec 1, 2016 2:11:41 AM | 153

119, 46

Response to a Trumponaut calling for war against Iran:

Bush and Cheney met with the Taliban in 1997 to lay the route for the TAPI oil pipeline to India to fuel Ken Lay's fraudulent Enron project. The Taliban said sorry the people of Afghanistan deserve royalties for that pipeline. Cheney and Bush kept the Taliban in a NYC penthouse right up until 2001, trying to buy them out, then told them 'We will cover you with a carpet of gold or bury you with a carpet of bombs', and the Taliban told them to stuff it. Cheney gave the order to start mobilizing to attack Afghanistan in August, a month before 9/11.

Your OT rabbinical Bible says 'an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth', so for the great, great evil Bush and Cheney did, the millions of innocent Iraqis and Afghans murdered, God's justice demands that millions of America pay a blood price.

Now Donald Trump and his Goldman Sachs Cabinet will make sure they do.

Posted by: chipnik | Dec 1, 2016 2:17:15 AM | 154

@152, 153, 157. Circe please relax. I'm trying to address your fear. As I've said in another thread, the chances of intervention against Iran are slim due to recent geostrategic realities. Iran's majlis has recently voted for Hamedan air base to be used by the RuAF. Moreover, though we all know that the road to Tehran passed through Damascus, now that the SAA is poised to win this war and with Hezbollah/Iraqi militia's available to be deployed to Iran, I just dont see how this new administration (even if full of rabid neocons) could realistically militarily & politically (public opinion) confront Iran as it could rely on regional allies including Russia..

Posted by: Lozion | Dec 1, 2016 3:24:22 AM | 155

Circe @157:

... so you can sell them Trump as different.
I'm merely pointing out your hysterical, hasbara-like anti-Trump messaging.

That USA people are anti-Iran is about as meaningful as the other BS that you've pushed here (OMG Trump's first meeting is with Netanyahu!!!!). Being pro-Iran is a career-ending move - and has been for a long time. What's more important is that Trump appoint people that share his 'America First' policy orientation.

Trump is already showing his differences with Democrats/Hillary, like:

> withdrawing from the sovereignty-crushing TPP/Obamatrade;

> imposing restrictions on lobbying;

> pushing for energy independence to free USA from ME intrigues;

> cracking down on divide-and-conquer immigration that weakens USA resolve.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Dec 1, 2016 8:32:53 AM | 156

Trump already pays dividends to us as Carrier announces jobs will stay in America.
Obomba in 8 years did nada.
Illegals voting;Did illegal immigrants have an incentive this year to vote?Of course they did.What is the penalty for illegally voting?Deportation?
A no brainer.
From what pool was Trump supposed to pick his cabinet?Neolibcon demoncrats?
Sessions establishment?Not to the NYTs and all the zionist liars.

Posted by: dahoit | Dec 1, 2016 8:34:57 AM | 157

If Trump is so trust-worthy, why did Putin double down on his offensive in Syria very recently, and why is NATO, and especially the U.S. gradually mobilizing troops and weaponry into Eastern Europe, the latest being a contingent of U.S. Marines sent and now stationed in Norway, and why is the U.S. escalating with war manoeuvres in this region? And why has Putin moved around 55,000 troops to Russia's Western border? Do you really think those generals and Neocons Trump is recruiting to his administration are going to reverse this escalation agenda happening in Eastern Europe? And do you think his generals are going to deviate from this military preparedness at Russia's borders now?

Some of you have drunk the Trump Kool-Aid. It's very obvious that on the surface Putin has to show he's hopeful; but he's not duped as some people here are or pretend to be when you try to sell us Trump the change artist and savior. Some of you are laying the Neocon snow job pretty thick. Meanwhile, Putin's preparing for the worst and rightly so!

And jackrabbit, quit with the hasbara bit. It's perfectly clear I condemn Zionists and their domination agenda every chance I get; unlike you that rarely goes there; as every comment I ever made points to where the Anglo/Zionist empire is heading; you on the other hand, I have serious doubts about as you try to spin the direction of this incoming administration away from reality to make-believe he's any different.

Also, if I harp on the obsession in Trump's cabinet with Iran, it's because Iran is a juicy plum for Zionists with unlimited and untapped gas reserves and it's their ultimate goal to invade Iran because if Iran falls Zionists will make a killing there and it will be game over for Russia, because world dominance is contingent on who rules over oil and gas and we all know that Trump has no problem with plundering another country's oil wealth as per all the comments he made regarding a missed opportunity with Iraq's oil reserves.

So quit trying to turn black into white; this is not my lying eyes deceiving me.

http://www.ibtimes.com/us-preparing-war-russia-300-marines-deployed-norway-near-russian-border-first-time-2436595

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-nato-russia-idUSKCN12P31W

Posted by: Circe | Dec 1, 2016 12:42:27 PM | 158

@162: Quit being such an alarmist. The sky is not falling.

To address just one of your bullet points:

Putin is acting, not reacting, in Aleppo. The offensive was long planned and the US was unable to stop it, regardless of how many hospitals the Western press reported were hit.

The fact is that Obama had tried to present Trump with a situation he couldn't back out of in Syria. That failed largely due to the slow pace of 'liberating' Mosul. So now Trump is being presented with a far different fait accompli, courtesy of Vladimir Putin.

We all know that the election of Trump has halted the direct conflict between Russia and the US that was assured had Clinton been elected. Averting WW3 is kind of a 'big deal', don't you think?

Yes, we all hear the Iran rhetoric, but this is just rhetoric. Nothing will come from it. In case you hadn't noticed, Iran has some pretty influential friends (Russia & China). Iran also has observer status in the SCO. I highly doubt Iran will go rogue and screw what looks to be a bright future at this time. So, no extreme provocation; no war with Iran.

Some of Trump's proposed picks are worrying but, if he holds to his basic aim of restoring relations with Russia, good things will happen. Personally, I think he's more his own man and won't be driven by underlings, no matter who he picks. Remember, too, that these names being floated are not definite picks just yet.

He could wind up doing like Abe Lincoln and have a cabinet of rivals. That didn't stop Lincoln from doing what he wanted regarding the seceded states. He ignored his cabinet and brought in an outsider, Gustavus Fox, to plan his operation at Fort Sumter.

Bottom line: nothing is set in stone yet. Hillary is gone and WW3 has been at least postponed. Be grateful for that. Don't freak out over a bunch of maybes.

Posted by: woogs | Dec 1, 2016 1:47:22 PM | 159

@163 Woogs

Well said. If it seems like the tide is against you Circe, I don't believe it is for cruel or nefarious reasons. So what if the cabinet is getting filled with the same type of neocons. I repeat: Trump is not a true believer like Hillary and at the most, the same personnel equates to the same bumbling policy that has resulted in a failed attempt at escalation. Russia and allies outsmarted it at every turn once Russia intervened. The neocons know that there is only two options: acquiescence which is the PATH (in a true taoist sense) or escalation (which means icbms). You're sounding more like a soothsayer than a proper geopolitical analyst. I am writing this to alleviate fear...that's it.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Dec 1, 2016 2:10:34 PM | 160

@163,164

You don't have to be a soothsayer to read the writing on the wall. When uber-Zionist Neocon, Bill Kristol praises Trump's choices, after knocking him all through the campaign, and calls them pretty good!; this is a red flag. And while I was writing this, it just broke that Trump has picked Gen. Jim "Mad Dog" Mattis to head the Department of Defense. This is a guy who strongly supports NATO, was Supreme Allied Commander for NATO, and has expressed deep skepticism and criticism of Putin and criticized Russia's actions in Ukraine and Syria. Democrats are over the moon with this choice! And that's because both sides follow the exact same Zionist/Neocon foreign policy agenda.

Don't think that Mattis is going to roll back the mounting NATO escalation in Eastern Europe. And, don't give me that Putin planned way back to double down the way he did in Syria, the moment Trump was elected; and escalate on Russia's Western border the way he has because he trusts Trump. My view is that Putin knows both parties are exactly the same; he knows who really calls the shots with U.S. foreign policy, and below the surface diplomatic niceties, he doesn't really trust Trump at all, and guess what??? NEITHER DO I.

If you don't see the picture I'm describing unfolding already and Trump capitulating to the Zionist/Neocon plan; well then, time will prove me right. And by the way; he capitulated BEFORE he was elected.

Posted by: Circe | Dec 1, 2016 5:25:32 PM | 161

- What about the fact that Trump didn't cut the US defense (=war) budget by one penny ?

Posted by: Willy2 | Dec 1, 2016 5:37:24 PM | 162

He's not only not cutting a penny on defense; he's planning to spend at least a Trillion on upgrading Defense.

Posted by: Circe | Dec 1, 2016 5:48:37 PM | 163

@168,169

Very enjoyable reading. 800 jobs were rescued with a bribe of 7 million in corporate incentives paid for by the taxpayers of Indiana. And what's even more astounding is the viral, inflated attention it's getting: How ingenious! Trump pulled off an unbelievable feat! How come no one thought of it before? Trump's a genius! He kept his promise--and so soon! And all this can only mean one thing; tomorrow's headline; wait for it, wait for it....

President-elect Trump invents the wheel!

And the sad thing is; everyone's going to forget history, ignore reality and toss the facts; because it's Truuuuump; nothing else matters! What could go wrong???

I'm watching one Neocon after another swoon for Trump; he's suddenly their favorite thing. What's wrong with this picture? Answer from the peanut gallery don't worry; be happy!

I'm watching theater of the absurd.

Posted by: Circe | Dec 1, 2016 7:12:48 PM | 164

Actually, here's an even better headline for the Carrier thing:

President-elect Trump takes first baby-step!

And on cue everyone oooo's and awwww's. PAW...LEEEASE.

Get real.

Posted by: Circe | Dec 1, 2016 7:31:55 PM | 165

@Circe 165:
I mostly agree with you, but you might convince more people if you'd present your thoughts a little more calmly rather than repeat "neocon/zionist/iranophobe/russophobe" that often. ;-)

"Trump capitulating to the Zionist/Neocon plan" - why do you think he 'capitulates'? This would imply that he originally had a different agenda... When Bill Kristol publicly backed Clinton, my first thought was 'ok, this guy knows he's not very popular with ordinary Americans, so he's offering his support as a poisoned gift to achieve the opposite'. Not sure if that interpretation was correct, but it still sounds plausible enough to me.

As for 'Zionist'...well, the dog wags his tail, not the other way round. Israel is just an (important) tool of US geopolitics, and will be abandoned once it's no longer of any use. My impression is that Netanyahu is well aware of that and already in the process of diversifying his alliances.

Posted by: smuks | Dec 1, 2016 9:37:42 PM | 166

Circe and rufus PDA. Yuck. Get a room.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Dec 1, 2016 9:38:10 PM | 167

Trump The Magician just pulled another rabbit out of one of his (bottomless) hats. He went to Indiana to thank the people who voted for him. It's quite unusual for a politician to embrace the humility required to say Thank You (or Please, or Sorry).

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 1, 2016 10:03:32 PM | 168

Regardless of our different views on ME geopolitics, I think we all can agree that this FSA video-interview is a lot more funny now that the nusra rats are running out of ships to jump.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Dec 1, 2016 11:24:11 PM | 169

@172

Yeah, maybe I went a little overboard with the phobe thing but that's kind of what you do when you wanna show a pattern. It's boring and repetitive; but it illustrates just how loaded with Islamophobe saber rattlers and hawks his cabinet is.

You made an interesting point regarding Kristol which would prove my point that Zionist Neocons were really backing Trump, but they always hedge their bets just in case as Zionists pour millions on both sides to ensure loyalty to their cause.

I have to disagree with you on Zionism being a temporary tool. There is no reversing the Zionization of America; it's everywhere, finance (Wall Street), media, Hollywood, and especially in politics. Netanyahu gave a speech to Congress and was received like the real President of the U.S. with multiple ovations! The U.S. electoral system would collapse without the backing of Zionists. Why do you think the majority of Congress and candidates for the Presidency in the two parties that monopolize the system parade before AIPAC prostrating themselves on the alter of Zionism at its lavish conferences? They are the bought and paid for prostitutes of Zionism auctioning themselves out to the highest Zionist bidder. Those conferences are a disgusting spectacle of which candidates bend over backwards and grovel most for Zionism. Other alliances? You're kidding. Zionism latched on to the most powerful nation in the world; and infected every branch to a point that Zionism is deeply entrenched and irreversible. Only if Zionism implodes on the global stage because of its supremacist nature is there some hope that it will be rejected by the rest of America, but because supremacy is part of America's history and part of the American psyche; it's possible that Zionism even exposed for the supremacist ideology it really is engendering apartheid will survive because Americans relate to it and will therefore continue to protect it at great expense to their own interests and better selves.

No. I think the tail (Zionism) is really wagging the dog in this case ergo, Anglo/Zionist empire.

Posted by: Circe | Dec 2, 2016 2:08:42 AM | 170

When trump first voiced his view that amerika should leave Russia alone I, like many others, desperately concerned ClintonInc would win and destroy the planet in a nuclear war with Russia, saw trump as definitely being the lesser of two evils.
According to media covering the election trump was running his campaign on the smell of an oily rag.
Most of his advertising appeared to come from making tweets full of "anti PC" wind ups, then letting the idjits in the corporate media fight over who could slander him in banner headlines the most.
It seemed that Trump's reluctance to spend a dollar would ensure that someone whose markers weren't in the back pocket of every desperate corporate greedhead could conceivably become prez.

We should have read the fine print as donald had 3 major billionaire donors.
(1) Sheldon Adelson amerikan casino owner & proprietor/ founder of Israeli tabloid Israel Hayom (Israel Today) which Adelson set up to support Benjamin Netanyahu’s Likud party,

(2) Paul Singer a rabid zionist who appears to be a gay 'winger in the same mode as paypal founder & Trump supporter Peter Thiel, who is probably most notorious for persuading Mark Zuckerberg to let the CIA into Facebook when it was still on the ground floor.

(3)Lastly Bob Mercer, the owner of Breitbart News and another fanatical Likud backer. Mercer seems to have put the most money up, supported by his insistence that trump make his Breitbart employee Stephen Bannon, trump's chief of staff.

Hmm - this may be n extreme example of "out of the frying pan & into the fire"; those of us who imagined trump would be happy diverting funds away from the military into the construction industry then on to his back pocket seem likely to learn once again that by definition anyone who jags the prez of amerika gig is unfailingly a murdering sociopath interested only in how much he/she can steal 'n how many lives can be snatched in the process. Damn!

Still given that starting wars is the only real power a prez has - everything else requires congressional approval - yeah yeah I know wars are meant to be the same, but a work around from about 5 prez's ago still seems to be holding up. If all a prez can do is start a war thinking trump wouldn't try & kick off the biggest one yet, was kinda naive.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Dec 2, 2016 4:44:31 AM | 171

@170 seems that Donald Trump got the support of the pseudo-earth-movers in Wal Street in the end. The Republicans basically pwned the DNC, unbeknownst to the dems - a total systematic failure by the dems, from voters up to Hillary

Posted by: aaaa | Dec 2, 2016 8:45:08 AM | 172

Regarding Mattis.

Whoopty-doo. A proven soldier. Well-liked by his men with a penchant for distasteful, off-the-cuff remarks that would make Patton blush. He has already served so Trump going this route just means that he wants to be well-liked by the military.

His involvement in Iraqi war atrocities is abhorrent, however. I don't see the hysteria, but I am not a fan. Looks like business as usual for Uncle Sambo.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Dec 2, 2016 8:46:30 AM | 173

@ Debsisdead who wrote: "Hmm - this may be n extreme example of "out of the frying pan & into the fire";"

A friend said to me that that phrase was more appropriately: "out of the frying pan & into the furnace"

Let us not forget that we now have an right wing Congress (filled with both R & D folks) and Supremes bought and paid for by the same global plutocrats.....the ride could get a bit bumpy.

I am hopeful that enough of the populace wakes up from their zombie condition to overthrow the private finance ruled form of social organization. I Really encourage folks to read "Monsters of the Market" "Zombies, Vampires and Global Capitalism" by David McNally.....look around on the web and you just might find a copy....or buy a copy and help McNally spread his word.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 2, 2016 9:17:04 AM | 174

Picking Mattis does not automatically translate into more wars. Last night Trump gave a speech in Cincinnati where he reiterated his policy of ending the neo-con policy of wars of regime change.

Donald Trump promised a “new era of peace” during the first stop of his “Thank You” tour in Cincinnati, Ohio, vowing that the US will stop trying to overthrow world governments and will cooperate with countries fighting terrorism.

The president-elect also promised to cooperate with any country interested in destroying Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL).

"We will partner with every nation that is willing to join us in the effort to defeat ISIS and radical Islamic terrorism," Trump told a large crowd at US Bank Arena in Cincinnati on Thursday evening, as quoted by TASS.

"We will destroy ISIS. At the same time, we will pursue a new foreign policy that finally learns from the mistakes of the past. We will stop looking to topple regimes and overthrow governments, folks," Trump said, as quoted by The Washington Examiner.

Thank you Ohio! Together, we made history – and now, the real work begins. America will start winning again! #AmericaFirst pic.twitter.com/kDRQgmmlZR

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) 2 декабря 2016 г.

"Our goal is stability, not chaos because we wanna rebuild our country. It's time," he said.

Despite Mattis being a warhorse, the policy is peace. I'll take Trump at his word for now and not hold it against him for picking someone capable of winning a war should the need arise.

Posted by: woogs | Dec 2, 2016 11:10:56 AM | 175

@ woogs

I believe that stopping the wars is fine but spending money on more war machines is bad......we will see what Trump's rebuilding of the country really is about.

I also think that all this is still useless from a social point of view as long as we maintain private finance making all the big decisions behind the scenes. Trump may even end the Fed as many are hoping for. But instead of creating a totally sovereign financial system in place of the "slightly pregnant" private/public on that the current Fed represents, his cabinet choice for Treasury has been quoted as saying he wants to only have private banking....and I have a BIG problem with that and so, IMO, should everyone else in the world.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 2, 2016 11:29:26 AM | 176

@183: It remains to be seen what rebuilding the military means according to Trump. We're not gonna be beating our swords into plowshares, but we sure could use some re-prioritizing.

I am bothered by his Iran and China rhetoric, but hope it's mostly just bluster and will be tempered with a better relationship with Russia.

I voted for Trump and it was solely on the basis of foreign and trade policy. I don't think any of us are going to be fully satisfied, but Trump is probably the best we could hope for that could actually get elected. Trump could set a new course for us, however, that could be built on. There's no sense in going for the whole ball of wax just to have it undone. Trump, nor anyone else, can just cut the knot. It's gonna have to be unraveled. Look at Russia and see how long it's taken Putin to transform that system and that job is still far from finished.

Posted by: woogs | Dec 2, 2016 12:07:12 PM | 177

I'd say he's trying to distract from his Goldman Sachs Treasury Secretary pick and possibly his Heath & Human Services Secretary pick. Both are disastrous and pretty much go against everything he campaigned on.

Posted by: Joanne Leon | Dec 2, 2016 3:36:06 PM | 178

I've been wondering why "they" released Hinckley (his brother was Bushes family friend) this year - the patsy in the attempt on Reagan, a false flag operation by the Bushes criminal gang (along with the Clintons and Her Majesty court part of the Brutish Empire City of London Crown Corporation criminal thalassocracy).

That year Bushes also sent an assassin to murder Pope JPII.

The effect since then was basically the same in both cases - the victims became just puppets for the most part of that ruling judeo-masonic cabal. (BTW Reagan was forced to accept Bush as his VP to get the nomination, just as was JFK with Johnson).

Like in a Chekhov's plays - this piece of the puzzle is gonna ring out pretty soon I suppose.

Obama and Trump - beware!

Everybody should see this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZZnuJ_8Xs8

Posted by: ProPeace | Dec 2, 2016 4:48:29 PM | 179

@ Adalbrand,

"I consider myself to be a member of the real left – a social democrat."

Sorry, not to criticize your choices, but there is only one real left, and to know which one it is, one only has to see which one makes capitalists foam at the mouth. Even if we don’t know or realize, THEY know which is the real, the sole enemy of their imperialist capitalism, otherwise know as ultra (or neo, or normal) liberalism. And that’s Communism. Ah, and religions, mainly christianity. Just ask the Russians – who are ex-commies with lots of inherited commie reflexes, orthodox christians and the country the capitalists hate most.

@ lemur

"So I go with Rising Right instead (social conservatism, nationalist pro-labour economy, skepticism about liberal theory as a total answer to political questions)."

You have summed up the old Commie creed. They say exactly that down to the last comma, but with all-State thrown in. Which, in a nutshell, is why old US right-wingers can get along so well with old Russian ex-Soviets. Basically, they think along the same lines.

Posted by: Lea | Dec 2, 2016 6:39:14 PM | 180

The latest action by Trump give new meaning to the phrase "Bull in a china cabinet".

As reported by ZH, Trump has called the leader of Taiwan.

The link:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-02/trump-risks-major-diplomatic-scandal-china-following-taiwan-phone-call

China views Taiwan as a rogue appendage and will not like this move, IMO and others.

China is second only to Japan in holding the most amount of our debt and have been dumping it quite rapidly over the past year. I expect that move to accelerate and potentially cause a market crash of some sort.....which I expect is what Trump wants so he has someone to blame for the failing/failed economy.

It also would not surprise me to see Trump try some sort of default on the debt or telling China that they can cash in only so many Treasuries over X amount of time. Either way I think that a global Bretton Woods meeting is now on the event horizon for many forward thinking folk. I guess the private finance folk believe that they will survive such a meeting intact with X countries still under their spell/thumb.

Wow! Now is the time to educate folks as to the shit sandwich of incentives that private finance makes of our society. That said, they still control all the soap boxes that continue to brainwash people into thinking that private folks can do better than government folk.

We are watching the grand soap opera of humanity either evolve or devolve....stay tuned.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 2, 2016 8:29:41 PM | 181

L'administration Obama tente de saboter le travail de son successeur


Considering that the Obama administration can only manage the current affairs until the taking of the oath of President-elect Donald Trump, several operations have been entrusted to other authorities:

- Associations have been charged with organizing demonstrations against the elected president and calling into question the principle of democratic elections;

- The association Prop or Not? Was set up with a mission to accuse those who campaigned for Donald Trump to be agents of Russian influence;

- The Turkish army was sent to invade Northern Syria and fly to the rescue of Al-Qaeda in Aleppo and Daesh to Rakka.

General Flynn’s Proposals to Reform Intelligence, by Thierry Meyssan


Thierry Meyssan considers that General Flynn is getting ready to rock the world of US intelligence and override all post 9/11 reforms. This would put an end to the obsession with secret prisons and targeted assassinations and mark a return to the true nature of intelligence: making sense of and anticipating developments around the world.

General Michael T. Flynn, the next US National Security adviser is in the process of organizing a radical overhaul of the Intelligence Services.

According to our sources, he is getting ready to challenge the big reforms that took place during the Bush and Obama years:
- placing all 16 Intelligence agencies under the exclusive authority of a Director of National Intelligence, supposed to supervise information sharing;
- abolishing the line between agents on the ground and analysts in favour of functional centres such as the ones we see in the TV series 24.

As we had highlighted at the time, and as General Flynn has also subsequently emphasized:
- the Director of National Intelligence clearly had the power to centralize intelligence which until then had been dispersed, but he lacked the power to interfere with how the different agencies were operating. So for example, he did not have the power to remove an incompetent officer.
- key point: the current functional centres excel in providing information instantly. They are able to pinpoint an individual anywhere in the world and, if need be, eliminate him. But this is not Intelligence. The correct term is crime. Even if the CIA miraculously topples the regimes that the White House disapproves of and sets up secret prisons, it is not by any measure more knowledgeable on anticipating political developments, and to a lesser extent still, military developments.

Michael T. Flynn was so disappointed with how the new CIA was working that he tried – in vain - to set up a service within the Defense Department to compensate for its shortcomings: the Clandestine Defense Service.

Colonel James H. Baker, who is currently directing the strategic office of the Pentagon and who is, like Flynn opposed to the neo-conservatives, should be promoted.

The nomination of Mike Pompeo as the next director of the CIA would have been conditional upon him agreeing to override the reforms brought into being under President Bush and Obama. Despite his extreme declarations – in favour of secret prisons and against the shi-ites - the Kansas representative and the former captain of the calvary, should behave like an obedient soldier.

The current director of National Intelligence, James R. Clapper announced that his role would end with President Obama. Thus his post should disappear.

The 16 agencies should no longer be accountable to the National Intelligence Director but only to the National Security Adviser. In other words, they will be accountable to General Flynn personally.

Posted by: ProPeace | Dec 3, 2016 8:50:27 PM | 182


Massive voter fraud in the 2016 Presidential election has been uncovered in Nevada. Megan Barth from Newsmax said.

Well it appears Nevada, which has voted for the winner of the Presidency for the past 108 years may have been stolen and must be investigated by the Feds. Not Obama feds but incoming Attorney General Jeff Session must investigate this issue.

Barth interviewed Republican Assembly Candidate for District 15, Stan Vaughan, who had actual proof of the massive voter fraud in his Clark County district. A total number of 17,086 votes were cast in the District for both Republican and Democrat candidates. However, when confirmation letters were sent to the voters in the District, the US postal service returned mail from 9,200 of these voters.

Vaughn found that many of the people who are listed as deceased are still on the active voter rolls. Many of the returned mail came back with 5 people living in a vacant lot with no mail receptacle. Edward Snowden, Willie Nelson, Waylon Jennings and dozens of movie stars were registered to vote in District 15 according to Mr. Vaughan.

Vaughan tested a sample of 200 people of the 9,200 return mail and found that 185 of those had indeed voted. According to Mr. Vaughan, there were other serious voting system irregularities he documented.

President-elect Donald Trump lost by only 27,000 votes statewide in Nevada. So 9,200 fraudulent voters in one small Assembly district is more than 1/3 of the total margin that Trump lost by.

It was previously reported that Nevada poll workers wore defeat-Trump t-shirts at the polls during the election which was against the law and Hillary supporters were caught breaking the law before the election when registering people to vote as well.

Green Party candidate Jill Stein has asked for recounts in three states won by President-elect Donald Trump in this year’s election (Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania). Her rationale for requesting these recounts was voter fraud. However, there is no indication Stein will request any recounts in Nevada.

Posted by: ProPeace | Dec 4, 2016 5:29:33 PM | 183

Isn't that sweet? NEWSWEEK didn’t write or read fake ‘Hillary won’ cover story


Appearing on FoxNews’ Tucker Carlson Show on Nov. 30, 2016, Cooper said, referring to the “Madame President” issue (1:07 mark):

“It’s embarrassing. Let me tell you how it happened, and what we’re doing to make sure it doesn’t happen again. Newsweek, like a lot of publications, puts out special commemorative issues . . . these are big parts of the magazine business. What we did for the election was the company that we subcontract to . . . produced two editions: One, ‘President Trump’, and ‘Madame President’. They both . . . the ‘Madame President’ one mistakenly went out, which was the first embarrassment, it should never have happened. But it can happen . . . not up to our editorial standards. . . . No one on our staff wrote it, we subcontracted it out . . . [no one] read it before it went out . . . . You see, we subcontract these commemorative issues out to a company. This is pretty common in the magazine business . . . . It’s sort of been done on a separate track, and we did not review it before it went out.“


Posted by: ProPeace | Dec 4, 2016 5:31:04 PM | 184

What Trump was doing with that tweet was trying to provoke anti-Trump protesters to start burning the US flag as part of their protests. His comments about citizenship were intended to get illegal immigrants to take part in these flag burnings. His dream optics would be a bunch of protesters waving Mexican flags while burning American flags. The anti-Trump protests died down just after this tweet so we do not know if the protesters will start burning US flags on a regular basis -- Trump is certainly hoping they will.

Posted by: Working Class Nero | Dec 6, 2016 6:15:06 AM | 185

@113 Noirette: Don't forget that it was a "Socialist" regime in France who came up with the idea of forfeiting of the citizenship of "anyone convicted of a crime constituting a serious attack on the life of the Nation."

Posted by: Gene Poole | Dec 6, 2016 7:07:59 AM | 186

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