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November 01, 2016

Open Thread 2016-36

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@42 AtaBrit.. thanks.. we see that much the same way.

Posted by: james | Nov 2 2016 16:36 utc | 101

All this braying about this or that individual or ethnic group and absolutely nothing about the underlying problems

Private finance and unfettered inheritance are the issues I would sure like to read folks discussing instead of the personal and ethnic attacks. I expect better of MoA readers. How do you not understand that as soon as you start attacking people and ethnicity you have lost your argument?

Progress will be made on evolving as a species when we can focus on the core components of our "social order" and agree to change them.

Anybody out there resonate with this message?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 2 2016 16:38 utc | 102

@100 psychohistorian
You know I'm with you brother. Borders, guvna's and heads of state matter little when you own them all. Today it's the illusion of a 'free market' and monster corporations...and they replaced the fucking church in all it's forms, who held control via faith and private finance for the ages. Outside of a couple of strains of Taoism, all religions are a form of mental decay and cause decay, humankind is figuring that out, but unfortunately humankind is replacing the old gods with Dark Lord Mammon.

@93 Tobin Paz
It's impossible to hijack an Open Thread mate.
Get on the floor, that's what is for.

@91 RudyM
Fucken aye!! All anyone ever needs to do is start with Building 7 and work in any direction from there. Three words: Unscheduled, controlled demolition.

Posted by: MadMax2 | Nov 2 2016 17:08 utc | 103

SHOT - DOJ Peter Kadzik was Marc Rich's private attorney lobbying the Clinton's for his pardon

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/11/01/who-remembers-francining-fbi-white-hat-transmission/comment-page-2/#comment-3172843

CHASER - Redditors put together this vid on Glencore (Marc Richs' company), Clintons, Obama, Comey and more https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCzgogEQMQs

Posted by: h | Nov 2 2016 17:22 utc | 104

How low can this guy go?
Kenneth Roth (@KenRoth)
11/1/16, 7:30 PM
Russia's obstructionism at UN Security Council is making it hard to stop attacks on civilians in east or west Aleppo bit.ly/2ff0Ipbpic.twitter.com/GnlBHqbU4J
(courtesy Angry Arab)

Posted by: Mina | Nov 2 2016 17:25 utc | 105

US elections. I wrote about investments in another post, and looked for foreign but found no good summary, overview.

Here a nice chart of donations to HRC / DT, by sector of employment, scroll down, see particularly the ‘communications’ etc.

http://fortune.com/hillary-clinton-business/

jfl @ 82, idk, it seems that the trove of 650K was all over, possibly held by NSA (how it would act idk, depends on the content), on the ‘lost lap-top’ which might have become Weiner’s, on a thumb drive as well (seems like a lot of data for a thumb?), and by whomever troubled to hack the basement Clinton unsecured server. It would take some seriously caffeined all-nighters to figure it out and as you imply, not important. Probably we will find out later anyway.

Re. the Piecznik vid, posted by Andy, talk of coup and counter-coup is an overblown, self-serving simplification or even invention. There are multiple groups, crossing interests, panicked reactions from different parties in the US: no over-reaching narrative arc, setting valiant patriots against evil infiltrators can explain the situation or even offer a rough guide.

Posted by: Noirette | Nov 2 2016 17:39 utc | 106

@71 h (& holy shit @102)
Thanks for your reply re Piecznik on the previous thread. On further inspection, he seems revered in some circles.

And yeah, some crazy shit indeed. Abedin says she sent emails to some accounts to print out for Hillary to read later, but doesn't know how the lot got onto Weindog's laptop. But...they are there. NSA backdoor job...? I still maintain this was a Search > Copy > Paste > Send effort...not a hack.

Anyways, Assange...you're a hero...! That it takes a South American to stand up for an Australian probly says everything about how global the fight MUST be vs globalist, warmongering, neolibcon scum.

And here comes the fix people, if you were in any doubt ----> Right here is the latest response by Hillary - she is going into battle vs Game Day Exit Polling

DNC Files Lawsuit to Bar Citizen Journalists From the Polls
The Clintons had to cheat and rig the system to steal the Democratic nomination from Bernie Sanders. Why wouldn’t they try to steal the election from Donald Trump?” Stop the Steal’s website states. They are calling for “targeted EXIT-POLLING in targeted states and targeted localities that we believe the Democrats could manipulate based on their local control, to determine if the results of the vote have been skewed by manipulation.”

http://wearechange.org/dnc-files-lawsuit-bar-citizen-journalists-polls/

Posted by: MadMax2 | Nov 2 2016 17:47 utc | 107

MadMax2 - take the time to watch that vid...it's an OMG jaw hitting the floor kinda thingy. Crazy, crazy, crazy...and more crazy!!!

Today is an odd news day kinda like Mon and Tuesday but moreso today. It's like someone has taken in a really deep breath and is holding it in until the right moment to exhale. It's a queer feeling but everywhere I go someone is suggesting some big news is about to be revealed.

Is anybody else having a similar kind of experience?

Posted by: h | Nov 2 2016 18:00 utc | 108

(&further to the DNC vote rigging @105)

Some commenters in the thread have referred to the latest Don vs Hillary polls tightening - translated from MSMspeak into reality, that would mean The Don is pulling even further ahead and has already hired a landscaping team to get to work on converting the White House lawns into a world class Par 3 golf course.

The fix is now in overdrive because Hillary has lost the women's vote. Exit polling is now under attack because as you'll see by the most scientific poll out there, Trumps win is beyond doubt...the lead is too big.

Check out the women's vote in the 'Characteristics of Candidate Support' tab here (Trump has equaled his Poll Peak as of midnight last night yank time):

http://cesrusc.org/election/

Also check out how much grip the MSM still has on the perception of who each respondent thinks will win under the 'Respondents Predicted Winner' tab - Trump gaining there rapidly, but still, perception remains that Hillary will still win.

So how will they fix it...?

I urge all of my Yank brothers and sisters however annoying your accent is to visit the following site. Votes need to remain as a whole unit. 1 vote = 1 vote. Via the magic blackbox total votes are able to be fractionalised. Akin to 1970s era computer crime.

www.blackboxvoting.org

If you're gonna be screwed this November, at least get to know what brand of lubricant they are using.

Posted by: MadMax2 | Nov 2 2016 18:11 utc | 109

@ MadMax2 | Nov 2, 2016 1:47:05 PM | 105

Not only targeted exit polling, something should be done about those super-computers used by organisations whose business is regime change e.g. NSA, CIA, DIA, etc. since vote rigging has to be done real time to keep vote rigging invisible and those are the likely machines employed. It might also be useful to disable or neutralise other large machines employed by the largest firms e.g. Goldman-Sachs, City, Google, MS, JPM, etc. that are of sufficient size to employ those algorithms. Fire-walling access to voting control centres from all but official access would also help reduce the opportunities for vote rigging to happen; even just a certified true recording of all transactions conducted through those centres adds to system integrity. Just the certified assurance those mentioned machines and all like them were turned off and isolated from external usage would add immeasurably to public confidence their vote choices were counted with fidelity to what were actually cast.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Nov 2 2016 18:15 utc | 110

anyone following libya?
Khalifa would be in hospital in Jordan

Posted by: Mina | Nov 2 2016 18:22 utc | 111

JFL and other Stein voters,

I'm considering voting for Trump instead of Stein. So, I need your help.

Trump might be a "good enough" anti-globalist candidate we need now, before "TPP etc." makes it even more impossible to extricate ourselves from the globalist mess. Unfortunately, we have to elect him first in order to learn which of his statements were lies and which were true. (Yeah, not a good sign that I'm channeling Pelosi.)

If Team Killary wins instead, then by the time the Greens come close to power they might be "even more powerless" to change anything. And that's the position we'll be in after Team Killary passes the TPP or starts more wars.

Please tell me what's wrong with the foregoing perspective.

Posted by: dumbass | Nov 2 2016 18:28 utc | 112

@ Noirette 104.
Thanks for that. I just forwarded the donor chart to friends with the Subject follow the money. But it is surprising. Trump has promised Wall Street everything from tax reductions to regulation removal and they support HRC? At least he hasn't gone on SNL to joke about that lack of support like McCain did in 2008. And Dems support HRC's obvious corruption? It must be like Obama or any other, as long as our team wins we don't care if they lie, cheat, or are corrupt.

Posted by: Curtis | Nov 2 2016 18:28 utc | 113

psychohistorian @ 100

> All this braying about this or
> that individual or ethnic group
> and absolutely nothing about the
> underlying problems

> Anybody out there resonate
> with this message?

Absolutely. Mostly, I lurk b/c I have little to add and don't just want to pollute the board with needless cheerleading. (But, since you solicited, I'll stand up and shout: "yay psychohistorian!")

We should "hate the game, not the players". The "game" has been going on since antiquity in every village where some villagers decided to grow themselves into an empire. That's happened independently all over the globe, regardless of the race, religion, or language of the villagers. With that in mind, it should be clear we need to change the game.

Posted by: dumbass | Nov 2 2016 18:35 utc | 114

Talking turkey, literally.
2 items:
war of words Iraq-Turkey another shot here.

Turkish Foreign Minister Says Iraq PM ‘Weak’
http://english.almanar.com.lb/85490
Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu accused Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi of ‘weakness’ as tensions rose Wednesday after Ankara deployed tanks and artillery near Iraq.

Abadi had warned Ankara not to provoke a confrontation and said any invasion would see Iraq’s northern neighbor repelled after Turkey sent the 30-vehicle convoy to the southeastern district of Silopi on Tuesday.


Sunshine Sultan claims to have outed a 2nd key coup conspirator:
Turkey Identifies ‘Second Mastermind’ of Defeated Coup
http://english.almanar.com.lb/85820
The public prosecutor’s office in Ankara has identified businessman Kemal Batmaz as the “second mastermind” of the July 15 defeated coup, according to a report released by the office Wednesday.

Batmaz, who is the former director general of Kaynak Paper Incorporated Company, had been detained soon after the coup bid and remains in custody.

Speaking at the Brookings Institute. Imagine that!:
https://cdn3.img.sputniknews.com/images/103729/27/1037292714.jpg

Posted by: schlub | Nov 2 2016 18:55 utc | 115

dumass@110

Trump is an imperialist too, along with Clinton. What makes him "different" is that he's the old-fashioned kind that fights wars to "win" and "takes the oil" without any formalities. The Bush/Obama commitment to chaos as a way to open the field to oligarchy and leave the rest of us escapes him, in other words, at least for the time being.

Why would an anti-imperialist vote for an imperialist when we have two credible anti-imperialists in the race?

Posted by: Berry Friesen | Nov 2 2016 19:00 utc | 116

HRC has lost the plot, gone postal.

From her twitter, all very recent, view 2 nov 2016, quotes:

> Our children are watching to see what kind of example we set for them.

(huh ??)

> When you're 27 million strong, no one can tell you that you don't belong.

(pop. USA about 320 M.)

> More people will early vote in 2016 than ever before. Join them.

> Donald Trump is on tape bragging about barging in on undressed women backstage at beauty pageants to "inspect" them.

> Comey didn't want to blame Russia for DNC hacks for fear of seeming political.

> The thought of Donald Trump with nuclear weapons scares me to death. It should scare everyone.

(Who bragged about 4 mins. launch?)

> With just 8 days left, this can’t wait. RT if you agree Trump should immediately disclose all of his ties and connections to Russia.

(RT? Has to agree? Huh?)

> DT has a secret server (sic) to communicate with Russia:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwIiIxKWEAAWZ0_.jpg:large

She even linked to "A guide to help you make your choice for president."

Site, title: How should voters weigh the sins of these two uniquely corrupt candidates?

was from Slate.

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Posted by: Noirette | Nov 2 2016 19:12 utc | 117


Posted by: h | Nov 2, 2016 2:00:52 PM | 106
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He makes wild accusations ... see if they don't wilder and wilder ... after he's had his run the FBI, NYPD, the 'intelligence community' all disavow him as a whack ... all the others critical of the Clintons are lumped together with him as flakes-by-association, problem solved.

Posted by: jfl | Nov 2, 2016 12:32:00 PM |

This seems quite plausible to me.

I tried watching Piecznik vid, but I had to I stop after 1 min 27 sec because I happen to knpow that the flight logs for Epstien's jet are already out there, and though Bill Clinton is ceertainly on them, I do not recall any mention of Hillary's name being on those logs - I'm pretty sure I would have remembered if it were.

The video maker Piecznik says that both Bill & Hill were on the Lolita Express, but her name does not appear anywhere in connection to Bill's on the flight logs, as far as I am aware.

So it appears Piecznik's deliberately peddling constructed half-truths.

Mixing a piece of the truth with a lie.

He's not a flake. He's a liar. Probably setting himself up for his own "discrediting" later as you say

Posted by: Killary PAC | Nov 2 2016 19:19 utc | 118

(RT? Has to agree? Huh?)

Posted by: Noirette | Nov 2, 2016 3:12:56 PM | 115

RT = ReTweet [if you agree], not Russia Today

Posted by: Killary PAC | Nov 2 2016 19:24 utc | 119

yes, Now "Barack Obama delivers stinging critique of FBI: 'We don't operate on leaks'" -- Guardian -- as if a sitting president weighing in on a judgement wrt Law Enforcement's open investigation is not trolling ... yesterday, presumptive next president was ordering Comey to release information on Trump/Putin ties (as if that might a preview of how she'll "govern") ...
Absolutely trolling Trump supporters, some of whom are -- of course -- already treatening "revolution" and violence because the election is "rigged" ... let the shit-show begin ... just appalling.

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Nov 2 2016 19:38 utc | 120

"Mixing a piece of the truth with a lie."

FBI has released the Vincent Foster file pdf.

https://vault.fbi.gov/vincent-foster

Killary PAC @116

I believe that in the near future there will be many unemployed students in and around Haifa.

Posted by: ALberto | Nov 2 2016 19:40 utc | 121

The old cow

While the campaign motorcade proceeded down a lonely rural road in west Texas, a very aged cow that had wandered away from its farm pasture suddenly stepped onto the road directly in the path of the oncoming vehicles.

The Secret Service limo driver tried to avoid the aging bovine but just couldn't stop the car in time. Unfortunately, the old cow was struck and killed.

From the back seat of the limo, Hillary Clinton demanded that her driver to go up to the nearby farmhouse and explain to the owners what had happened. She insisted, however, that the agent should resist any request from the farmer to pay for the animal, and she added, "You killed it, so if they demand money, it will come out of your own pocket!"

Meanwhile, Hillary stayed in the car making phone calls on her unsecured cell phone. About an hour later the driver staggered back to the car with his clothes in disarray.He was holding a half-empty bottle of expensive wine in one hand, a huge Cuban cigar in the other, and was smiling happily, smeared with lipstick.

"What happened to you?" asked Hillary.

"Well," the driver replied, "the farmer gave me the cigar, his wife gave me the wine, and their beautiful twin daughters made passionate love to me.

"I had just stepped inside the door and said, ‘I'm Hillary Clinton's driver, and I've just killed the old cow.’ "

"The rest happened so fast I couldn't stop it."

Posted by: DavidKNZ | Nov 2 2016 19:40 utc | 122

oh, and everyone is ignoring both the fact that disgraced Donna Brazile is still chairperson of the Democratic National Committee and that Wikileak's podesta e-mail may have found evidence of "intent" wrt the destruction of emails -- which is what Comey said was missing, making indictment a no-go.
Oh, and Putin (with Assad's assent) has ordered a 10 day ceasefire in Allepo so rebels (and others) can safely leave ... even though "rebels" have been the ones making leaving dangerous ... still ... the news being ignored in favor of election bullshit is impressive.

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Nov 2 2016 19:43 utc | 123

my bad -- 10 ** hour ** extension of ceasefire ... oh well, but still. sorry.

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Nov 2 2016 19:45 utc | 124

@123 cue tom to tell us Putin gets tricked again.

Posted by: dh | Nov 2 2016 20:08 utc | 125

Killary Pac at 117 yes I didn’t get that therefore the ?? Thx.

Posted by: Noirette | Nov 2 2016 20:17 utc | 126

I have watched this woman's videos in the past and found her information to be factual. I know not her sources.

She is claiming the the Clinton property in New York State has been raided and evidence of a child molestation business has been gathered by NYPD.


Breaking: NYPD Just Raided Hillary's Property. What They Found Will Put Her & Bill In Prison.

Also Killary is implicated by Assange in the assassination of Seth Rich

ASSANGE JUST LEAKED PROOF Implicating HILLARY in Death of SETH RICH of DNC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34eQbufnvAk

Posted by: ALberto | Nov 2 2016 20:19 utc | 127

Oopsie! Did not post NYPD raid video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQyghQwWFUI

Posted by: ALberto | Nov 2 2016 20:20 utc | 128


"NYPD Just Raided Hillary's Property"

&

"ASSANGE JUST LEAKED PROOF Implicating HILLARY in Death of SETH RICH of DNC."

Posted by: ALberto | Nov 2, 2016 4:19:25 PM | 128

outside of wingnut websites I'm not finding any corroboration of either


I think someone is BS-ing you

Posted by: Killary PAC | Nov 2 2016 20:30 utc | 129

Oopsie! Did not post NYPD raid video

That's not a raid video - there is no raid in that video. You are [deliberately?] misrepresenting your links

Why are you posting all this stuff which is so obviously (ridiculously obviously) false?

Posted by: Killary PAC | Nov 2 2016 20:32 utc | 130

I have watched this woman's videos in the past and found her information to be factual.

Ok - that's just nonsense.

Now you're just plain making shit up

Posted by: Killary PAC | Nov 2 2016 20:33 utc | 131

So much shit flying, visibility zero ... have you watched Adam Curtis' latest? Contradictory narratives, not a bug, a strategy of disorientation.

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Nov 2 2016 20:42 utc | 132

Tobin Paz @ 68

Thanks for Sunday Morning like to Wallace interview, never saw that.

Jill showed some Kahunas, despite initial list on screen of her platform eliminating "Green New Deal" entirely and wasting time with a cheesy WP OpEd trashing her.

Jill acquitted herself quite well. Kind'a had to laugh, after giving her 8 lousy minutes trying to get her to admit she's a loon, he closed by saying (8 f***ing minutes)... "now you can't say you're not receiving any media coverage."

Posted by: jdmckay | Nov 2 2016 20:42 utc | 133

Killary PAC and jfl -

Since both of you are new to Pieczenik's work, I might suggest you give yourselves some time to learn a bit more about him and his work. I don't suggest this to either of you for any other reason than if this effort in which he is describing in both his vid, and again in this interview with Alex Jones today, might be worth your time to pay attention to. After all, it may very well be the real deal.

http://www.infowars.com/delta-force-creator-reveals-coup-against-hillary/

And yes, Jones does what he does best - interrupts, cuts him off and more. I wish that guy would stay away from caffiene. And his interviewing skills are awful.

And jfl, the last thing Pieczenik is is a flake. I might suggest you do a bit of your own research on someone you admittedly barely gave 60 or so seconds to listening too before providing your keen insight.

FWIW, I lack any and all personal and professional experience as it relates to coups. I proudly admit I wouldn't have a clue if one bit me in my petard. That said, Pieczenik has never struck me as anyone other than a fella who liked to tell stories, with a bit of a dash of bravado of course, but he's never struck me as a wild card, a loose cannon or a flake.

I also know that every intel agency in the U.S. I can think of have all sent out warnings to any who will listen about the dangers of a Hillary Clinton presidency. We've all read the stories, some have bought the books while others have listened to interviews. Their surrogates have been more than willing to talk to anyone and everyone about the danger her presidency would bring.

If there is any who would know the depths to which the Clinton's and their bottom feeders would go it would be folks from the intelligence community.

Therefore, if a bunch of 'White Hats' are coming together to put a stop to the 'Black Hats' agenda, well I for one lack any desire to judge them. Rather, I'll just keep my ear to the ground and listen b/c we need something to happen to stop this schizoid train peacefully, long before it crashes and burns.

Posted by: h | Nov 2 2016 20:55 utc | 134

116

Did you ever stop to actually listen to this guy Trump, who went to private boarding school, an elitist college for rich kids, got $Ms fortune in seed money from his daddy and the family name, bilked NJ taxpayers out of $35M he never paid back, bunkoed 1000s and 1000s of retirees and students out of their retirements and their one shot at school, grifted a yuuge skim off his 'Veteran's Aid' drive, sold sub-prime Mexican beef as 'Trump Steaks', ...and his only real claim to fame was shaving Vince McMann's head on WWE Raw?

Really?

Trump has ZERO experience in policy making, budget handling, political administration, or bi-partison team building, and like Rodham, will appoint bankster elites to his Cabinet, *massive DoD/DHS budget increases*, massive tax cuts and deregulation for Exceptionals, then is going to f*ck off and party boy while NeoCon Pence does the day to day work, as our SS and MC crashes.

Rodham has exactly the same bunko bio, ...except for WWE.

They are both disgusting psychopathic elitist grifters!

You ever really stop and think about the next 4 years?
They're already pushing SS age 70 and -3% benefit cuts.
"You have no choice. You are owned. They own you."

Posted by: chipnik | Nov 2 2016 21:19 utc | 135

@KMF #98

"Madeline Ashby is a strategic foresight consultant and novelist living in Toronto."

Wow, I wonder who pays her good money for her "strategic foresight."

Posted by: Thirdeye | Nov 2 2016 21:24 utc | 136

So much shit flying, visibility zero ... have you watched Adam Curtis' latest? Contradictory narratives, not a bug, a strategy of disorientation.

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Nov 2, 2016 4:42:08 PM | 133

I managed to last a whole 11 mins. Literally only 11 mins.

Something similar happened with Bitter Lake - I think I lasted 15mins with that one, but I remember it being quite a struggle to last even that long

with both I kept wanting to halt the video to note time-stamps so I could then later write something showing how Curtis was distorting things.

I did it about 5 or 6 times in 11 mins with Hyper N then remembered that it was nearly 3 hrs long and realised It might take me all week just to view the whole 3 hrs, if I stopped and made a note of the timestamps each time I found some distortion or half-truth or misrepresentation, missing context, or non-sequiturs, (his stock-in-trade)

I found several of all of those in the first 11 mins alone - so I gave up.

That week probably wouldn't even include me having much time left ober to note the actual objection I had each time I noted the timestamps.

I've come to the conclusion Curtis, like ALbie above, @127, 128 & 129, is part of the problem, not part of the solution.

Curtis doesn't so much do Contradictory Narratives as disjointed unconnected obfuscatory narratives - it's why the BBC keep him on the payroll - say it all in a plummy Brit accent and it takes on a certain Gravitas - slap the voice over ontop of some hipster-edited archive footage inter-cut with unconnected (sometimes quirky/bizarre) "mood" shots add an equally quirky soundtrack and everyone falls for it - but there's so many gaping holes in his propaganda.

Contradictory narratives, not a bug, a strategy of disorientation.

It's exactly what Curtis is doing also - the medium is the message and the massage

And no - it's not a bug with Curtis either, so I'm noticing anyway
Curtis parody - The Loving Trap - YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1bX3F7uTrg

Posted by: Killary PAC | Nov 2 2016 21:27 utc | 137

Interesting post by Col. Lang and comments by Miletus over at Sic Semper Tyrannis. Looks like Comey is log-rolling to save face in the face of legally-required FOIA disclosures re: Podesta orchestrating the Clinton email coverup, the Marc Rich pardon, and possible treason related to the Clinton Foundation. Apparently Anonymous is getting tipped off for fertile FOIA requests by FBI investigators who saw political suppression of investigations regarding the Clinton Foundation. The server and emails are just the hors d'ouvres. The Clinton Foundation is the main course.

Posted by: Thirdeye | Nov 2 2016 21:39 utc | 138

Killary --
HyperNormalization has several threads ... 11 minutes isn't enough -- there are (and should be) other edits (it should be 4 shorter films) it does get better but it's still much less accessible at 3 hours. The conflicting and contradictory narratives are not Curtis' ... it's a deliberate propaganda technique, Curtis says was developed first in Russia, but no matter, because it's been adopted by others including the USA.
What was particularly interesting was the suggestion that the USA used Gadaffi as a proxy to blame for terrorism they actually believed Syria and Assad Sr. to have instigated/payrolled and it paints Syria as a much more powerful regional player and a much longer-term foe of the USA than I had ever considered them to be. I knew that we "disapproved" of Syria's continued occupation in Lebanon, but THAT civil war had been so endless and Syria's intervention had finally stopped the bleeding, I attributed our insistence that they leave was about "things getting back to normal" and Lebanon regaining it's independence (Naive of me, I realize).

We've seen a lot "unreliable narratives" in Syria ... Obama crows that we're "fighting ISIS" in a "coalition" when we really aren't doing much ... we claim that 'boot on the ground' have been ruled out, when they are multiplying not only as special ops but also as boots from the "coalition" specifically France, etc.

The upshot is that eventually, in frustration, people just stop trying to "understand what's going on" and TPTB get a free ride.

Things are being deliberately misrepresented and those misrepresentations are never corrected ... see also the "assault weapons ban" ... which will have no impact on gun deaths, but it's wildly popular in polls and with lawmakers ...

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Nov 2 2016 21:55 utc | 139

WRT to the disorientation, when there are so many contraditory OFFICIAL statements all being treated "true" -- eventually they can say just about anything, and the public will accept it ... it's a learned helplessness

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Nov 2 2016 22:13 utc | 140

Charity, Charity, Hyper scams:

The movie Before the Flood , ‘docu’ dir. by F. Stevens, + Leonardo DiCaprio, Oct. 2016, and featuring Di Caprio as journo, interviewer, is available for free:

Before the Flood @ Daily Motion

Watched 1/2 of it, it seems to be all for renewables and the poor. Makes some good points, see some who are inteviewed. DiCaprio is all high noble, quote: “Help the developing world transition before it is too late.” (It would help if some were not bombed out of existence. Or if one could understand what 'transition' meant. )

The DiCaprio Foundation: http://leonardodicaprio.org

Ouch: "DiCaprio's charity has been urged to repay donations linked to a Malaysian fund that backed his film The Wolf of Wall Street. The foundation is being investigated by the US department of justice over alleged ties to a $3.5 billion embezzlement scandal whose “misappropriated” funds were used to bankroll the 2013 film, according to reports."

Telegraph

See this for more:

Daily mail

The 1MDB money laundering sandal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1Malaysia_Development_Berhad_scandal

DiCaprio was an ardent Killary supporter but seems to have backed away recently, worms that turn.

Posted by: Noirette | Nov 2 2016 22:25 utc | 141

The conflicting and contradictory narratives are not Curtis'

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Nov 2, 2016 5:55:46 PM | 139

Yes, I'm fully aware of that, and was aware of it when I wrote my comment on it Posted @| Nov 2, 2016 5:27:54 PM | 137...

I said (now with some 5% added extra to further clarify)

    [Equally/Aditionally] Curtis [himself] doesn't so much do Contradictory Narratives as disjointed unconnected obfuscatory narratives - it's why the BBC keep him on the payroll - say it all in a plummy Brit accent and it takes on a certain Gravitas - slap the voice over ontop of some hipster-edited archive footage inter-cut with unconnected (sometimes quirky/bizarre) "mood" shots add an equally quirky soundtrack and everyone falls for it - but there's so many gaping holes in his [own] propaganda.


it's a deliberate propaganda technique

Yes, I am fully aware of that too - I believe I understood it exactly as you intended it to be understood, when you originally said it. I'm just informing you that the documentary-maker is playing that tune too.

Curtis is doing the exact same thing to you, the viewer in search of meaning, while he "Curtis-splains" it all to you.

"The medium is the message/massage" - Curtis understands this well-enough to take the opportunity to pull the same trick on his own viewers.

He knows what he is doing too.

That's why they pay him.

And it's relatively cheap and seemingly effective, judging by the amount of people telling me I need to watch it, it "explains a lot!!"

His employer is essentially the British state through the state/tax-payer-funded BBC -

The BBC is not paying him to "start a revolution",

They're paying him to help avoid one.

The revolution will not be televised,
But even if it were to be

It would certainly not be
"courtesy OF . . ."?
"Adam Curtis"
& The BBC!"


Unless it's The Wrong Revolution?

Posted by: Killary PAC | Nov 2 2016 23:05 utc | 142

This posting on ZH is about how the US State department is responding to Asian countries aligning themselves with China.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-02/state-department-denies-asian-countries-are-aligning-china-awkward-moment-follows

We are entering a multi-polar world. Americans are mostly clueless about it and brainwashed such that this transition will be difficult for them to accept.....sad.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 2 2016 23:12 utc | 143

@Killary -- you got all that out of 11 minutes .. I'm impressed ...

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Nov 2 2016 23:14 utc | 144


He has a blog you know.

here's his considered opinon on Syria -
THE BABY AND THE BAATH WATER

{Picture it said in plummy BBC-announcer voice)

    Back in the 1950s America set out to intervene in Syria, liberate the people from a corrupt elite, and bring about a new democracy. They did this with the best of intentions, but it led to disaster. And out of that disaster the Assad regime rose to power.

[taa daa!]

Classic Curtis

Curtis-splainin Imperialism with "They did this with the best of intentions,"

Definition - Curtis-splainin
The Wrong Revolution, with an Eno-ish soundtrack . . . laid on found-footage

Posted by: Killary PAC | Nov 2 2016 23:14 utc | 145

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Nov 2, 2016 7:14:24 PM | 144

I got all that out of watching all his complete publicly available prior work, several times, and thoroughly exploring his blog over the course of several years

Posted by: Killary PAC | Nov 2 2016 23:18 utc | 146

108 h
Great detective work by the redditors, looking forward to the sequel(s?).

Halfway thru my mind drifted 'how far foes this go?? Cameron and Sarkozy...giving the mafioso handshake of death on behalf of their nations corps to Gaddafi and Assad respectively. Then boom, chaos and plunder. Syria so lucky those jets above were friendly. One can only assume that the continued plan with Hillary is Iran next with all the bullshit make friendly recent.

@ 110 FTB
The 2 major fixes for US voting must be, at the very least, before any other changes:
1) paper ballots only, with receipts for voters
2) no postal or early voting
Both these cancel out a lot of the funny business. Everyone should be out on one day voting, no one should be put in the position of getting a knock at the door 10 days out from election day 'oh, hi there, I'm from _______, oh, you haven't filled your postal vote in yet?? Ok, here, let me show you'

Posted by: MadMax2 | Nov 2 2016 23:21 utc | 147

I have read his blog too and yes, I have watched almost all of his videos, and I am aware that he works for a highly-biased organization and he is bias and fairly tradition/mainstream ... nuf.

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Nov 2 2016 23:29 utc | 148

117

She was conscious of a slight shock, but no more.
Six nights more. During fifteen weeks of anguish,
she had pleaded into the void; she would have
sacrificed everything -- house, health, ten years of life --
to save the republic.

And now, good God in Heaven,-- let civil war break out!
Let something happen at last: let the dinner bell ring,
let a thunderbolt plunge into the sea, let a gloomy voice
suddenly announce the American invasion of Uzbekistan!

Jack put his glass down on the sideboard and said softly:
"This is the end."

"The end of what?"

"Of everything. I don't even know what we should hope for,
victory or defeat."

"Oh," she said feebly.

"If we are beaten by Trump, we shall be Privatized, and I
can assure you the Banksters will know how to re-establish
Order. Communists, Jews and FreeMasons will be cleared out.
If Rodham wins, we shall be Bolshevized. It will be a triumph
of the Anti-Fascist Front -- anarchy, slavery, worse... Alas!"
he continued in a plaintive tone, "this election should never
have been started, never."

She hardly listened to him. What she thought was: "He is afraid,
angry, alone." She bent over him and stroked his hair.
"My poor little Jack."

with apologies to Jean-Paul Sartre

Posted by: chipnik | Nov 3 2016 2:30 utc | 149

Thank you, Formerly T-Bear . So then, let's just take a hypothetical. Let us suppose, not homing in on any actual candidates here - just suppose that it unfortunately comes about that each of the main candidates has lost his or her marbles, whilst that interloper candidate is not going to upset the applecart but is actually a brilliant politician, who might have a chance to restore sanity to the entire enterprise just by being heard - you are saying that this is a horrible situation because it makes it easier for one or the other of the larger percentage gathering doofusses (not casting any aspersions here) to win.

I'll just answer that setting aside the huge possibility of a rigged election, there is NO WAY a crystal ball is going to make the above scenario the infallible result. I went on a long bus and train journey today through many small communities in my state. I didn't see ANY presidential candidate placards (admittedly didn't go down every single street in the area). Something is brewing with that.

I'm the sort of mother who never wanted to know my baby's gender in advance. It's likely you are correct, but it isn't over till the well-endowed diva tickles her tonsils.

Posted by: juliania | Nov 3 2016 2:45 utc | 150

Me @ 150 - those doofusses have the percentages they have, not because they are statesmen or stateswomen, but because they are rich and money is speech (I hasten to add to my imaginary scenario.) But, we mustn't introduce any un-percentaged element because, as you say, then the lesser doofuss 'will' win.

It just tastes so bad.

Posted by: juliania | Nov 3 2016 3:00 utc | 151

It was crazy conspiracy theorists who forced NIST to admit that WTC-7 spent part of its time falling at free-fall speed. NIST has never provided an explanation for that fact, that I am aware of.
Posted by: RudyM | Nov 2, 2016 11:46:52 AM | 93

You're overlooking the over-arching reason NIST pursues investigations into catastrophic failures of construction projects. They do it because, in the 911 case, the Building Industry Professionals needed to know if there were any lessons to be learned/ changes needed to be made to the way buildings are designed and put together. It's very similar to the role of air crash investigators whose job is to deduce the cause of a plane crash. The primary objective of either type of (expert, forensic) investigation is to inform Industry Professionals of the most likely cause and, if the cause was an avoidable error, to recommend changes to Standard Operating Procedure.

It doesn't matter what ppl outside the industry think/ believe. What matters is what the Industry Professionals think. And the Industry Professionals accepted the validity of the NIST report. If they didn't accept its findings, they had the numbers AND THE POWER, INFLUENCE & AUTHORITY (Worldwide) to reject the report and demand that it be re-investigated.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 3 2016 7:04 utc | 152

@ MadMax2 | Nov 2, 2016 7:21:31 PM | 147

Careful there MadM, you're seeming to catch the exceptional virus, believing in things as they could be, might be, or once were. Paper ballots were so early 20th Century [Foxy], the administration needed to cary out using paper ballots has been disbanded a very long time ago now. Certainly your remarks are correct about reverting to paper ballots; mine were addressing what would be needed in less than a week now, with the electronic machines already in place. Hope you get over the virus, there are not many sane voices about to hear.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Nov 3 2016 8:14 utc | 153

@ 153 - Revision

Please convert 'sane' on the part 'sane voices' to balanced as in stable voices. My apologies for any offence taken for that grievous inattention to form.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Nov 3 2016 8:33 utc | 154

@ Tobin Paz | Nov 2, 2016 10:06:57 AM | 70

Should you decide to examine your premises and assumptions, you will find what you are asking me to provide free of charge. Do your own work please. Do ask yourself just where Dr. Jill Stein's political pronouncements are sacred holy writ. A mature adult would know everything any politician says is designed to persuade, influence and possibly control, Dr. Stein is no different (unless you have actually seen her walk on water). Grow up.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Nov 3 2016 9:41 utc | 155

And jfl, the last thing Pieczenik is is a flake.

Posted by: h | Nov 2, 2016 4:55:22 PM | 135

Yes - I already said that - he is a liar not a flake - In the video I saw him telling the lie that Hill & Bill took flights together on the Lolita Express - I already know that there is documentary evidence that Bill was on the Lolita Express several times because there apparently exists flight logs with his name on them - (Trump's too btw - and made no mention of by the video maker)

So we know Bills was there - but as far as I am aware there is no documentary evidence supporting the claim that Hill was ever on the Lolita Express - her name is not on the flight logs already available, or I'm sure we would have heard by now that it was to be found on the flight logs.

In the absence of any evidence showing she was there, it's pretty clear that, for whatever reason, Pieczenik is lying when he claims she was.

That's already all I really need to know about him at the moment - his past is immaterial for me right now and his current presence on the Alex Jones show just confirms his duplicity imo. He's peddling a sort of Limited hangout, maybe his intent is to discredit the documented info about Bill, poisoning it by deliberately claiming that Hill was there too. Who knows

Since both of you are new to Pieczenik's work, I might suggest you give yourselves some time to learn a bit more about him and his work.

So having already established to my own satisfaction that Pieczenik is lying, that's already all I really need to know about him at the moment - his past is immaterial for me right now and his current presence on the Alex Jones show, of all places, just completely confirms the ultra-dodgy impression he has made already if you ask me.

So, no matter what he has ever said in the past and no matter how sincerely he acts in Black & White close up, looking straight at the camera when he tells you about Bill & Hill together on the Lolita express, he's lying about Hill being there.

No matter how much you want to believe him, he's still just a liar.

He's clearly peddling a sort of Limited hangout, maybe his intent is to discredit the documented info about Bill, poisoning it by deliberately claiming that Hill was there too? Who knows?

Posted by: Killary PAC | Nov 3 2016 12:22 utc | 157

Therefore, if a bunch of 'White Hats' are coming together to put a stop to the 'Black Hats' agenda, well I for one lack any desire to judge them. Rather, I'll just keep my ear to the ground and listen b/c we need something to happen to stop this schizoid train peacefully, long before it crashes and burns.

Posted by: h | Nov 2, 2016 4:55:22 PM | 135

yeah, and then the white hat Hobbit got together to stop the black hat pixies conspiring with the Orcs and launching a coup in fairy land.

The Wicked witch of the East, who the Orcs and black-hat Pixies wanted to install as Dictator, was defeated by a bright shining New York Property-dealing Casino-Owning/Money-Laundering Gandalf, who also travelled on the Lolita Express.

All because the wise and noble New York Property-dealing Casino-Owning/Money-Laundering Gandalf had the help of the Troof-telling skills of a sturdy little Hobbit named Bilbo Pieczenik and then . . . .

. . . . all the little Hobbits in the Shire lived happily ever after, contentedly smoking their pipes outside the door of their little hobbit houses.

Posted by: Killary PAC | Nov 3 2016 12:39 utc | 158

Just came across this article where Al Baghdadi attacks Turkey, calling for Daesh to attack Turkey.
Given Turkey's close relationship with Daesh, could this be the 'provocation' the 'threat' that Erdogan has been seeking to justify military intervention in Iraq?

http://www.dpa-international.com/topic/islamic-state-leader-urges-fighters-turn-blood-rivers-161103-99-41555

Posted by: AtaBrit | Nov 3 2016 17:17 utc | 159

@159 LOL.

Posted by: Lozion | Nov 3 2016 18:07 utc | 160

Tim Kaine congratulates Gülenists in a letter

http://www.dailysabah.com/columns/ragip-soylu/2016/11/03/tim-kaine-congratulates-gulenists-in-a-letter

Posted by: virgile | Nov 3 2016 18:14 utc | 161

@135 h

Maybe there's something there ... of course there's something there concerning the dangers of a Clinton or a Trump presidency, but ... as regards the bona fides of Pieczenik. I remain skeptical. Anyone in the spook business is a liar by profession. If there's anything truthful in what they mouth it's by coincidence only. Or, he might yet prove to be a flake. Psychiatrist, cure thyself. Maybe I'm wrong, but there's plenty 'nuff obviously wrong with either a Trump or a Clinton to make the 'exotic' route unnecessary on either one. I've said no to Clinton, no to Trump and no to the two-party/one-party system. Urge others to vote 'other' and do the same. Set off on the same journey toward a real solution together.

Posted by: jfl | Nov 3 2016 19:34 utc | 162

like i said,
Nk, the gift that keeps on giving,just like 'al qaeda'

http://journal-neo.org/2016/11/01/north-korea-is-an-pentagon-vassal-state/

Posted by: denk | Nov 4 2016 3:42 utc | 163

like i said,
Nk, the gift that keeps on giving,just like 'al qaeda'
http://journal-neo.org/2016/11/01/north-korea-is-an-pentagon-vassal-state/
Posted by: denk | Nov 3, 2016 11:42:41 PM | 164

Well, you'd be just as wrong (or drunk) as Engdahl must have been when he penned that puerile denial-fest. It's a load of idiotic drivel and denies ALL of AmeriKKKa's 70 year history of treachery toward North Korea.

His closing sentence really takes the cake...

"It seems it wasn’t even necessary for the United States to “create North Korea.” Washington only had to cultivate the infantile personality of Kim Jong Un."

...skipping blithely over the fact that NK is just another of many early examples of AmeriKKKa's long list of invented enemies. Engdahl should make up his mind whose side he's on. Having MoA in his Blogroll doesn't excuse him for being deaf, stupid and lazy/dishonest.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 4 2016 15:37 utc | 164

There have been many people who wondered about this Nk/murkkan kabuki.

i'm rather surprised it takes william enghal to make this bold claim,
enghal was always long on factual narratives, 'conspiracy theory' was never his forte !

for the time being, i shall leave it at that.

O, what a tangled web we weave when first we practise to deceive!


Posted by: denk | Nov 5 2016 4:56 utc | 165

thats for
Hoarsewhisperer 165

Posted by: denk | Nov 5 2016 4:57 utc | 166

I assumed it was for me. But I was quite surprised by your lack of knowledge about the Phantom Menace of NK. Before you read the following article from Desaix Anderson, note who he is/was and the date that it was written and the timeline he's referring to. Look up almost anything written about NK by a bloke called Bruce Cuming. And there are other authors who've made it their business to try and get the Truth out about NK.

http://oldsite.nautilus.org/fora/security/0325A_Anderson.html

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 5 2016 5:48 utc | 167

It still surprises me how often so many people who should know better keep forgetting that U.S.A = United States of Arseholery...
Unconscionable, relentless, unmitigated Arseholery.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 5 2016 6:22 utc | 168

Chipnik, I agree w you. They're both scounhdrels and the results of the next 4 years will be awful. Sometimes before things can get better they have to get worse. We will have to hope that the terrible time to come awakens more citizens.
---
A story is out that the pre-counted vote tally is already in-- for the election that hasn't yet occurred. Normally, such a story wd be regarded as just noise. In this case it's sourced to a hidden website of NBC affiliate WRCBtv in Chattanooga, Tenn. with screenshots. At the NBC affiliate it's sourced to Worldnow.com, which is "a New York-based software company . . . [that] offers the only integrated media platform enabling broadcasters, operators and media companies to easily create, acquire, manage, analyze, monetize and distribute media assets (text, images and videos) across all digital platforms and on-air systems in a unified, end-to-end workflow . . . ." (Wikipedia)

The discovery of the hidden website -- breaking of this story or scam-- was by a journalist based in Japan, Jim Stone. From there it was picked up by Alex Jones.
https://memoryholeblog.com/2016/11/05/predetermined-vote-counts-show-nov-8-presidential-election-is-rigged-in-favor-of-hillary-clinton/#more-35903

Other than its obvious source of potential importance, this item may play into a plan to create civil unrest, whether real or fake.

Posted by: Penelope | Nov 6 2016 7:08 utc | 169

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