Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
November 10, 2016
Next Steps: Clean Up The Democratic Party, Oppose Trump

People have now learned and accepted that Trump is inevitably the new president of the United States. They try to figure out what that means. We do not know, neither does anyone else. A lot of rumors and speculation are circling of who will take up this or that job in a Trump administration. These rumors are mostly created by those who would like that job, or their personal lobbies. They should be ignored.

The mainstream media is barely able to issue a mea culpa for their extreme pro-Clinton campaign and total failure of reporting the real state of the union. It is now looking for obfuscations like claiming no one could have gotten it right. That is a cheap excuse for incompetence.

It is astonishing that THE media outlet that did the most to shine lights on Clinton is ignored in any of the main stream after-election reporting. I am talking of Wikileaks and Julian Assange who did their very best, under high personal risk, to report the truth about Clinton's and the DNC's utter corruption. A big thank you to them!

Clinton in her very late concession speech, found no words for her culpability or that of the campaign she ran. But the loss of the running is her personal failure. The "bernie bros" and "deplorables" thanked her hostility by not showing up to vote. She had 6 million votes less than Obama while Trump got about the same number as Romney! Instead of focusing on Trump's disastrous economic program she ran a warmongering "blame Putin" campaign. Her economic program was tinkering on the margins of the neoliberal status quo. Certainly not what voters in difficult financial situations, and there are a lots of those in today's U.S., needed to hear. There are now attempts to get Clinton pardoned for breaking classification laws and rules with her private email server as well as for her tax cheating, private slush fund "charity", the Clinton Foundation. If the Democrats want to keep at least some appearance of uprightness they should fight all such attempts. Let her pay a very heft penalty for her shenanigans.

The Democratic party apparatus is corrupt and was completely on Clinton's side. It cost the party the presidency as well as the House and any progress in the Senate. I find it very likely that Sanders would have won the primaries if the party apparatus had acted as neutral as it should have. He had a much better chance of beating Trump. With Sanders as candidate in the general election House and Senate seats would have been easier to keep or to win. There is an urgent and thorough cleanup needed in the party from top to bottom. Sanders should be given the lead of the party and be tasked to again win a majority in the House and/or Senate in the 2018 midterm election.

Trumps true program will now come to the fore. A lot of stuff he said during the campaign will soon be forgotten. His economic program is a repeat of Reaganomics with a dose of isolationism in trade. How that is going to work out with the pivot to Asia and countering China is a mystery. His stand against Muslims was fake, as he let the embassies of the Gulf states know early on.

The military will get more money for lots of funny programs. That is nothing new. It just build some $7.5 billion a piece battleships solely for their new, very special guns which now will not be used because their special ammunition is, at $800,000 a shot, too expensive. A total waste of money but at least it paid for some good jobs. (More jobs could have been created with that money in more important, non-military programs.)

Trump will cut taxes for big enterprises and the rich. He will cut social programs. The general budget will go deep into red. In a few years he will have to, just like Reagan, increase taxes to regain some budget balance.

His campaign unleashed a new wave of racism. Racism had not vanished – indeed it was very much in the open during Obama's time. But open hostile incidents against "the other" will probably increase. It will be difficult and take some time to reign it in again.

It will be important to oppose Trump as much as possible. He is a somewhat megalomaniac and he currently has party majorities in both houses. He will have to be taught that not everything he tries is good or even possible. Trump will want a reelection and another four years as president. He can face opposition on the ground, from people who voted for him, if those people can see a plausible alternative. Clintonian tinkering on the edges of the status quo is no such alternative. There needs to be broad stroke economic policy, plausible and explainable, that offers a better world to them. If the Democrats, or a third party, can develop and present such a program there is good chance that the era of Trump will be a short unremarkable chapter in the history books.

Comments

The rule of law Don… People will forgive a lot if justice is seen to be served from the top down.
Great to see Jens Stoltenberg in a hot mess. What is your role…trigger happy clown…? Must be tough, no…? life without your fellow firestarter from across the pond. Sure, The Don may fuck up and let you hold some sort of post, It’s just nice to see a pyromaniac deal with the thought of having daddy confiscate his matchbox. ‘we was there for you Don, we weally was…honest…!’ Squirm clown squirm.
I can also confirm that Larry Summers is a flaming arsehole.

Posted by: MadMax2 | Nov 11 2016 12:14 utc | 101

I think b gave President-elect, Donald Trump, less credit than deserved in this post. I don’t believe that Trump would be able to deliver on his campaign promises but I think he would be a far better President than Hillary, perhaps even Obama. For one, like him or not, one must admit that Trump has an unusual courage to stare down his adversaries. That would come handy when the corrupt congress start blocking his agenda. The guy doesn’t play it safe, and I have the feeling that he would transform the US political landscape the way it has not been transformed foer a long time.

Posted by: Steve | Nov 11 2016 12:19 utc | 102

ben at 81 —
No surprise there, thanks.

Posted by: rufus magister | Nov 11 2016 12:39 utc | 103

What the Rethuglican plan for healtcare means is that, like the credit cards, insurers will move to the least regulated states and start to use the loose laws and supervision to screw the working class.

Posted by: rufus magister | Nov 11 2016 12:41 utc | 104

The 2016 Award for Retrospective Tweet of the Year, 2013…goes to…
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Remember, all these ‘freedom fighters’ in Syria want to fly planes into our buildings.
7:57 PM – 28 Aug 2013
Link to Tweet

Posted by: MadMax2 | Nov 11 2016 12:52 utc | 105

Further to my 61 —
Huffpost reports that The Donald is not happy with the protests. “Just had a very open and successful presidential election. Now professional protesters, incited by the media, are protesting. Very unfair!”
There are apparently no rights that a white Trumpeter need respect….
Yeah, rigged and cause for insurrection if you lost, but an open election that is unfair to even protest if you win.
The allegation that the media is gingering up protest is ridiculous and abusrd. The tone of the media is largely the same as the political elite — we need to work together for the good of the country.
The majority of America voted against The Donald. When he starts fucking up and his support evaporates, things will become warm and interesting.

Posted by: rufus magister | Nov 11 2016 13:00 utc | 106

99 Noirette
Decentralising in this fashion and surrendering control is an easy win for The Don. California and North Dakota have two different economies, treat them as such by letting them take the reins. More of…

Posted by: MadMax2 | Nov 11 2016 13:16 utc | 107

When the author refers to Trump’s “campaign unleash[ing] a new wave of racism”, he means the rampant racism and bigotry directed toward America’s white majority, correct? That’s literally the *only* racism that I have seen in this election.

Posted by: Old Ez | Nov 11 2016 13:17 utc | 108


And about the Russian manipulation of the election, still crickets here….
Posted by: Doofus magister | Nov 11, 2016 7:42:21 AM | 105

this is why no one here’s thinks you’re anything but a lying shill for the absolute worst elements of the Zio-controlled Democratic party establishment.
There simply was no “Russian manipulation of the election”.
No one has provided so much as an ounce of actual proof for that claim, other than the statements of proven liars from the US security establishment, to back it up.
But If it were actually proved then “So What?” –
Turnabout is fair play – you arsehole yanks interfere in elections all over the world.
but more to the point – Israel interferes in every US election I have every seen, but does Doofus ever complain about that? Of course not! Doofus, as usual, thinks there should always be a different set of rules for the chosenites.

Posted by: Killary PAC | Nov 11 2016 13:28 utc | 109

Other than that though, Doofus Maximus’ rants are hilariously funny to read – the bucket-loads of Elitist butt-hurt just oozes from them.

Posted by: Killary PAC | Nov 11 2016 13:31 utc | 110

Five-Year Plan of Bush Light, Der Drumpf
Zionism Disguised as Xenophobia -‘The Wall’ dog-whistle code word for moar massive funding for Homeland Security, with Israel now the largest IDIQNB subcontractor to DHS, and 100,000s former military and mercs ready to saddle up against the Beaners and the Muzzies…but oddly, it’s OK for 100,000s of Hindus to fly over the border by the 747-load, and continue to take all the high-tech jobs that American STEM students are being prepared for, but will only get, by joining Mil.Gov.Fed dole programs like NASA.
Strengthen The Military – ‘Pivot to Asia’ a dog whistle code word for continuation of the greatest arms expansion since the Cold War, a 50% armament bloat hidden inside a xenophobic rubric against the Slanteyes, a white hole down which all health and human services will disappear, except for the Right Stuff.
Repeal Dodd-Frank – ‘Make Us Competitive’ dog whisle for continuation of the Great Undertaking, and reason to move your savings to Qatar like the Clintons have, because now your deposits are an ‘investment’ and you are at the very endd of bankruptcy bailouts. This has only one outcome.
No Taxes for the Exceptionals – Enough said.
American Jobs – Smokescreen to Solyndra moar deficits.
Fix Education – Smokescreen to Privatize curriculum delivery, we will stop using the words ‘teach’ or ‘learn’ instead, ‘deliver’ and ‘receive’ and ‘portion-control’.
Deregulate Energy – Code word for Solyndra all those Green funds over to Wall Street, and start the massive LBO of US energy companies by Saudies and Qataris as major shareholders, under Citizens United Two.
Repeal ObamaCare – Dump all the uninsureables into MC and abandon thr seniors pushed to the back of the line. This is the death tribunals Palin warned about. Go to Thailand or Cambodia or South Korea for your medical-dental care.
Constitutional Rights – Blah, blah, blah, guns, guns, guns, Trayvon, Trayvon, Trayvon for everyone now. Vehr ahh yur paypahs!? Antworten!!
YouTube, Facebook, Google and Messenger all updated this morning. Now they all want access to your contacts and your settings and your GPS location. Bwaaa,ha,ha,ha,ha.
Let the Hiunger Games begin!

Posted by: chipnik | Nov 11 2016 13:45 utc | 111

It’s the Siberian Candidate I fault.
Posted by: rufus magister | Nov 11, 2016 8:29:56 AM | 117

I doubted that even you were stupid enough to fall for Killary’s “Siberian Candidate” lies – seems I grossly underestimated either your level of stupidity or your level of hypocrisy
Maybe it’s not an either/or? But Stupid and hypocritical is a terrible combination Doofus, even for you

Posted by: Killary PAC | Nov 11 2016 13:45 utc | 112

@Noirette
@93 ‘Trump’s talk about walls was purely symbolic …’
I copied down and remarked upon – skeptically, not too cynically, I hope – Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter. There’s plenty to be skeptical about from my vantage point … and that’s a point built up over the past 16 years by GWB and BHO (and HRC and BS).
Trump’s talk about walls does not seem only symbolic to me. He plans to build his – they say he’ll use the Israelis’ experience – they’re experienced in the same sense as Hillary was – in wall building: and then bill the Mexicans for his creation. He’ll sanction them, attach their assets in the States if (when) they don’t pay up? I think he will.
In fact, I imagine the wall will be built to keep the ‘Mexicans’ … Central Americans … in, not out. It will be porous on the south side, the American economy cannot go on without Mexicans/Central Americans to labor for low wages to run it, but will snap shut on the Northern side, so that the ‘illegals’ can serve as input – as bodies for the Prison-Industrial Complex. A lot of Americans derive their livelihood from the increasing numbers of imprisoned. These ‘Southerners’ have the potential to be better victims than American citizens because, just as al-CIAduh bodies don’t come home to the USA in bags, neither will Mexican/Central American bodies be mourned/fought for in the USA. Their remains can be shipped back to their origin when their full-cycle is complete. Or perhaps other uses can be found for them.
@98
Same with the MedIC. Trump is going to privatize the VA, feeding all the blown up and destroyed GIs as input to the MedIC. Once that mechanism’s in place the draft may return, as PaveWayIV thinks it will, because there’ll be big money to be made in cannon fodder. In effect Trump’s going to use the MilIC as a feedstock for the MedIC.
As well, I think that his Health Savings Accounts will urn out to be just another repository for Wall Street to (mis)handle, just as they did peoples’ IRAs and 401Ks … remember them? It’s unclear whether it will involve a privatization of Social Security funds now or later.
States will simply loot the Medicaid funds, and Trump’s deregulation of the FDA – it’s already a subsidiary of Big Pharma – will likely mean many more Celebrexes than ‘life-saving medicines’. He’s got 4,000 lined up already, apparently.
All the points of his ‘contract’ … think the Donald’s new pal Newt had anything to do with the idea? … are open to multiple interpretations. The ones I chose are dark because they are possible, and what’s possible usually comes to pass if its in the interests of the rich and powerful for it to come to pass.
I remember after 9/11. I was waiting to see what W was going to do in response. Like someone else posted on one thread or another here at MoA in the past couple of days, I assumed the jig was finally up for the Israelis … that after the nearly two weeks of his sequestration with his ‘wisemen’, W would emerge and address the nation, would read Israel the riot act, and our ME policy would change.
Same thing happened again with BHO, although not to me by then. The Nobel Peace Prize Laureate.
I think the same thing’s happening all over again now with respect to Donald Trump. I am not so deeply skeptical of Donald Trump without reason. Nothing would be essentially different if Hillary rather than Donald won, it would just look a little different. Certainly it would be reported differently.
I think it will continue to happen – not till we wise-up, that’s happened with this last circus, I hope – but until we decide to do something about it. Nothin’ from nothin’ leaves nuthin’, and we gotta have somethin’, to continue to be.
The alternative seems to me to be to continue sitting on the couch eating popcorn right up till our plane actually does fly into the ground.
Of course I might be wrong. But … at the very least it’d be prudent, as GHWB used to say, to consider the present in the light of the immediate past, dontcha think? I know you do, Noirette, ‘Trump has to be opposed immediately!’

Posted by: jfl | Nov 11 2016 14:04 utc | 113

114
E pluribus I can’t tell you where all the money went
It’s so much more than that. Insurance is an unaudited racket. Pharmaceuticals is an unregulated racket. Medical delivery is a portion-controlled #3 cause of death racket. A gynormous FDA bleed.
Stop drinking booze. Stop smoking fags. Stop taking drugs. Eat good food home cooked and walk and swim and exercise every day. Set aside $1000 a month in cash on your own, for your own healthcare. Keep your credit rating high, and keep six credit cards on rotating idle.
If you fall ill, get on a plane to Cuba (medical) or Mexico (dental). If you need surgery, book into Thailand (nedical), Cambodia (dental) or South Korea (both).
Burn this bitch down.

Posted by: chipnik | Nov 11 2016 14:08 utc | 114

ProPeace | Nov 11, 2016 7:04:24 AM | 100

I was not talking about the mathematical possibility, but about the true popular support for Hildabeast, which is not more than 20-30%.

And you know this how?

That’s obvious if you talk to the people on the streets.

So exactly how many people have you talked to on the streets? In how many geographical locations? How did you sample to account for race, age, social class, etc. to ensure that you talked to a representative group?
God save us from innumerate conspiracy theorists.

Lame-scream media polls are of course rigged as well.

That is perfectly possible and it might well be that some polls were rigged on purpose to promote HRC’s chances of winning, but I strongly doubt that applies to the actual election. However, I would add that I’m a firm believer in paper ballots because it makes subverting an election far harder, which explains why most democracies don’t use electronic voting machines.

Posted by: Ghostship | Nov 11 2016 14:12 utc | 115

MSM cretins at work struggling to understand the world-of-spin just rotated 180 degrees and ‘Obama Who?’ just sleezed on out the back door of history (and no one is going to miss that butt-plug between GOP regimes).
“Trump Explains The Syria Conflict – Terrorists Have to Go – Will Work With Russia”
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e8e_1478834527

Posted by: x | Nov 11 2016 14:26 utc | 116

Does anybody actually know what Trump’s real policies are? There are some he’s been quite clear about. For example, good relations with Russia, putting up a wall, etc. But others such as healthcare, it’s been difficult to get a clear understanding of what he intends to do.
If he regards himself as the chairman of United States LLP, then perhaps he might just decide that spending substantially more money on worse overall outcomes that almost every other developed country is just plain stupid and that introducing some single-payer system might help to make the United States LLP economically competitive again and he probably has the clout to do it. I mean, how many Americans truly love the insurance company that handles their healthcare policy if they can afford one.

Posted by: Ghostship | Nov 11 2016 14:28 utc | 117

x 124
Great statement by Trump, I wonder if he could stand tall against the neocon EU/US establishment though.
Jesus Christ regarding the video!,
Trump: We should hit ISIS, Russia should hit ISIS
Stupid pundit: Russia? Russia bombing the people we are arming in Syria against Assad!
Trump: Why are we backing these people? The goal should be ISIS not Assad.
Stupid pundit: Do you think think you could persuade Putin to make Assad step aside
?
I mean wtf? Trump just told that stupid pundit that Assad IS NOT the problem and she still babble on with the same?!

Posted by: Porter | Nov 11 2016 14:34 utc | 118

@125 GS
See Noirette @99, or Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter (pdf)

Posted by: jfl | Nov 11 2016 14:35 utc | 119

22;Yep,your are correct,Trump is an American nationalist for America,a most refreshing event in our recent history of global shills for zion.
And yeah,Obomba talking bombing alCIAda is definitely the Trump effect,as Trump will expose our support for the terrorists once in office,and a pre-emptive strike is necessary to counter Trump..
I heard Trump say he wants more SS for US,so don’t believe the ZNN and their serial liars.
Did Trump kill Leonard Cohen?Suicide?heehee.He couldn’t sing a lick.He gave up trying?
Old rufie keeps up the trotskyite propaganda,very amusing.
Opening up 9-11 would be awesome.

Posted by: dahoit | Nov 11 2016 14:39 utc | 120

@126 porter
That video seems to be dated. Trump’s ‘Contract’ doesn’t mention Russia, Syria … doesn’t mention foreign policy. I think the video was made pre-Sheldon Adelson, maybe pre-AIPAC. Certainly Israel is a great fan of ISIS. As are the CIA and the neo-cons, of course. I’m waiting to see how all the foreign policy pronouncements Donald made earlier in the summer pan out this winter. They did serve their purpose … certainly everyone remembered them on election day. Trump seems to be held in high esteem for his outrageous statements. Were they lies? Apparently doesn’t matter. He ‘won’ didn’t he? Only thing that matters.

Posted by: jfl | Nov 11 2016 14:47 utc | 121

chipnik @ 122 — “If you fall ill, get on a plane to Cuba (medical) or Mexico (dental). ”
Oh, if only people could afford while being seriously ill to just get on a plane!
Easy to say –and do– if one has the wherewithal; very difficult to accomplish if someone has little discretionary income…. A passport now costs $135 minimum; if a person does not have certain proof of citizenship, a file search costs $150 with no guarantee a passport can be obtained. Total — up to $285.
It takes a certain level of income and/or savings to save money.
Re: Dental in Mexico — Serious dental work entails several visits, with up to two months between visits to ensure bone grafts, for example, to heal sufficiently. And so forth.

Posted by: jawbone | Nov 11 2016 14:51 utc | 122

Posted by: Yonatan | Nov 10, 2016 5:27:28 PM | 38
“The Democrans and the Republicrats are two sides of the same oligcarchic / coprorate control”
Very astute observation……………

Posted by: notlurking | Nov 11 2016 14:53 utc | 123

@129 — states “Added: 11 hours ago Occurred On: Nov-10-2016”
Also here — https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=609NQerfG90 (Published on Nov 11, 2016) and here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_AOv6mXnkc (Published on Nov 11, 2016)
Looks like emerging public policy to me.

Posted by: x | Nov 11 2016 15:02 utc | 124

Piotr Berman @ 89.
>> That said, I do not expect Trump to be wreckless either. He promised to replace Obamacare with “something marvelous”, that is my first bet on a spectacular wreck. << I"ve seen Paul Ryan on camera twice since Tues., saying it's going to be Private Health Accounts. We've already been there & it's not good... exact same road to privatizing Soc. Sec. --- rufus magister @ Nov 11, 2016 8:20:17 AM | 112 >> Hey, how’s that cabinet of outsider’s looking? << They said give GWB a chance, then is Cabinet appointments came out: Gail Norton, Rummsfeld, Condi (who's only claim to fame was stellar work improving Chevron's bottom line) (etc. etc.). The sense of impending doom was palpable, and it only got worse. Same with BO: Geithner in particular was 1st. I'd like to give DT benefit of the doubt, but if we start seeing Gingrich, Sarah Palin... it's going to be a miserable 4 years for the USA. Already indications his "team" is not just sending comforting messages to Netanyahu, but promising to up-end only glimmer of hope (end settlements) still remaining.

Posted by: jdmckay | Nov 11 2016 15:04 utc | 125

I suppose it’s only a natural evolution, but I sense future schisms all over the place within this community and other alt-news sites. Against Hillary we were united. Now we will pick apart Trump and the plethora of expectations we each carry around. My hunch is that most will be disappointed somewhere along the way.
It was fun when we were mostly united. It’s a whole new day now.

Posted by: Andy | Nov 11 2016 15:26 utc | 126

On healthcare, Democrats recognized the problems but did not manage to explain them, and cobbled together about half of the solution. Republicans are a bit split. Some totally deny that the “marvel of the free market” prices out some proportion of the folks from the ranks of the living. “Treating your chronic conditions would take 20 thousands per year but you can afford only 10. May we suggest medical marijuana or something cheaper, like glue?” Trump is in that camp. Some, like “wonky Rubio”, offered pseudo-solutions (Rubio: high risk pools in each state, but what to do with the pools? It depends on whims that range from compassion to outright blood thirstiness, of state legislators. I guess, on purely economic terms, the average productivity would improve if we got rid of all the sicko troublemakers, and indeed, it is a bit more elegant to live it to the “invisible hand of the market”.
Another structural issue with regulating healthcare in USA is that traditionally, the medical profession was attracting the smartest people. And once you split the problem between conditions, markets etc. the outsiders of medical profession get bewildered. So in regulated market model we have to hope that the foxes are smart enough not to kill all the chicken that are under their charge, Instead, they should assure that the stock of chicken is not getting overly depleted. But the examples of self-regulation in fishing industry show how well-meaning but greedy folks can go overboard. “Graybeards remember cheap cod from New England waters.”

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 11 2016 15:52 utc | 127

@88 ray b.. thanks.. i didn’t skip over your post, as i don’t agree with your view on b and his making political comments.. but, i agree with everything you articulate in your post @22 afterwards and thank you for saying it.. btw – i live in canada, but it doesn’t make much difference at this point as the corporations and oligarchs are running the world as i see it.. any crack in that is a refreshing moment – trump’s win appearing to be a temporary alternation to this.. we’ll see how it goes, but i agree with you and fear for his life here for the obvious reasons.

Posted by: james | Nov 11 2016 15:55 utc | 128

rufus @ 107. I don’t recall Repubs. or Libertarians protesting or any demo actions, disruptions or violence at all after Obama was elected. Did I miss it?
Mad Max @ 2. Yes, and if you read the two plans carefully, the 1st is more detailed. The 2nd heavily ‘proposes’ returning HealthC to the States. In the abstract, is not a bad principle at all. Yet, HC requires Central, Federal, Governance of some kind, reform broader in scope than what States ‘alone’ could accomplish, in view of the fact that the ‘free market’ has created entrenched scammer monopolies. On the ground, a State would practically have to secede to construct a new, better, alternative. For ex. it would have to cost-control the ‘private for profit’ insurers or kick them out, and most likely give up on the redistibutive aspects of the ‘social’ part (poorer states.) One positive result might be that State authorities would actually be held to account for their policies / inaction, but sadly one can predict that they will try to avoid such a state-of-affairs.
jfl @ 12, yes, good points. Posts here show how much of a mystery and game-changer, or not, Trump is – like a Rorschach Test! A new version of hopie-changiness, vs. increased dire vile capitalistic doom. Still, the DT HC ‘non – plan’ is not a good sign.
Re. Health savings accounts (I’m *not* for!) the devil is the details (use, taxation or no, inheritance, coordination with other measures, etc.) I remember 401k ’s – a friend of mine lost 2/3 of her retirement.
An OK WHO report on HSA: —> “The appeal of enlisting consumers in reducing costs as well as mobilising additional funds for healthcare led to implementation of this mechanism in countries as diverse as Singapore, China, the United States, and South Africa over the last 20 years. … How successful have they been? … Evidence is presented and followed by discussion analysing their impact….MSAs may actually be widening rather than filling the coverage gap. …”
PDF not long:
http://www.who.int/healthsystems/topics/financing/healthreport/MSAsNo17FINAL.pdf

Posted by: Noirette | Nov 11 2016 15:57 utc | 129

Yeah, Right @86:

… the primaries are NOT an election process … They can do that any way they damn well please – internal party politics isn’t a democracy.

The primaries ARE an election process. They are conducted to choose the best candidate, gain press attention, and rally the troops.
Your ‘we can do what we please’ attitude is exactly what is wrong with the Democratic Party – and fundamentally what cost them the election.

what would Sanders stand to gain by not endorsing the person that the Democratic party had just chosen as their candidate.

As I said: Integrity. He gained a large following because people thought he was principled. Turns out he was not.

I didn’t say that [all Democrats MUST line up behind the chosen leader]… futility of gesture-politics.

You won’t say it explicitly but everything that you say implies there is no choice but full-on support for the chosen one.

SANDERS did what he did so he could live to fight another day

Sanders betrayed the people that supported him when he endorsed Hillary despite DNC-Hillary collusion. Full stop.
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Your attempt to marginalizing those that can see the obvious failings of Sanders/Hillary/Democratic Party with comments like “Get over it… Get over it…it would make YOU feel good if he had immolated himself” is typical Democratic Party BS. This underscores my point @9: the Democratic Party is irredeemable.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 11 2016 15:59 utc | 130

Please be merciful when you read my post. When agitated, I tend to misspell in a way that mimics my mispronunciation, hence stuff like “live it [life-death decisions] to the invisible hand of the market”.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 11 2016 16:00 utc | 131

rufus @107:

The majority of America voted against The Donald.

No. The majority of America stayed home. And Hillary didn’t even win a majority of those that voted.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 11 2016 16:13 utc | 132

@134 It was fun when we were mostly united. It’s a whole new day now.
And when was that? After 9/11 when Islamophobia was everywhere, and during the Iraq War???
If that’s fun; then I prefer divided and enlightened to united in ignorance.
Look if you’re looking for unity during Trump’s tenure you’ll be waiting a long time. Trump is not a uniter and neither was Obama.
There’s only one issue that people will unite under and that’s the massive influence of the Zio-media and the Zionist Lobby on the political process and massive funding of political candidates by Zionist billionaires trying to get influence in policy-making. This is what needs to be exposed to the wide public and when many who are still ignorant of this learn how it has affected their lives personally, how their sons and daughters were marched off to wars that benefit a foreign nation and trillions and billions of their tax dollars squandered in these futile wars, squandered to oppress others, and to affect regime changes then people will unite to drain the swamp and rid the oligarchy that controls their democracy.
The Left and Right overlap in that neither have control or power over their democracy or government with the massive influence that corrupts the system.

Posted by: Circe | Nov 11 2016 16:16 utc | 133

Just a word of caution. Hoping that GOP, once in full control, will blissfully self-destruct, may be premature. I remember that as a young one I was discussing politics with an “uncle”, a friend of my father who happened to be an anarchist (while pretending to be a Communist in his professional live, that being still Communist Poland). I smart-alecked an observation that then new revolutionary regime in Iran is so irrational that it can last only a few years, and his answer was quite sage: “People were saying the same about Soviet Union more than 50 years ago”. Hard to tell how they will avoid doom on the healthcare issues, but some type of bouncing the ball to the state may work. The worst horror stories will happen in states where the voting population tolerates them best, we will bet a “wonderful laboratory of 50 policies” with the permission to use human subjects in experiments. This is how it was before Obamacare, after all, and still is to some extend, Obamacare being a half-solution.
However, providers of medical supplies, services etc. are increasingly sophisticated, and their ability of extracting money from the rest of the population improves every year. This reminds a physics experiment: you put a heavy nail in a bottom of a candle, let it flow in a glass cup and lit the candle. Try to predict when the candle will stop burning. I was wrong something like three times, the candle “intelligently resisted” in ways that I did not predict. That was a good time to became rich and famous by publishing the proof that the candle will burn forever. Needless to say, that dream lasted less than 10 minutes. If the medical inflation will follow the trend of the last 40 years (or so), at some point the costs will exceed GDP, so it cannot happen. But where is the actual breaking point? For example, perhaps with sufficient brainwashing people can be convinced to give half of GDP to the medical-industrial complex, after all, even after that “deduction” they will live better than, say, 100 years ago.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 11 2016 16:23 utc | 134

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Following the financial crisis, Congress enacted the Dodd-Frank Act, a sprawling and complex piece of legislation that has unleashed hundreds of new rules and several new bureaucratic agencies.  The proponents of Dodd-Frank promised that it would lift our economy. Yet now, six years later, the American people remain stuck in the slowest, weakest, most tepid recovery since the Great Depression.  Paychecks have been stagnant.  Savings are being depleted, millions are unemployed or underemployed, and millions more have dropped out of the workforce altogether.  Economic growth remains below 2%, about half the historic average.  The big banks got bigger while community financial institutions have disappeared at a rate of one per day, and taxpayers remain on the hook for bailing out financial firms deemed “too big to fail.” 
The Dodd-Frank economy does not work for working people.  Bureaucratic red tape and Washington mandates are not the answer.  The Financial Services Policy Implementation team will be working to dismantle the Dodd-Frank Act and replace it with new policies to encourage economic growth and job creation.

Posted by: okie farmer | Nov 11 2016 16:32 utc | 135

okie farmer @ 144
This is the kind of shit that really makes me nervous about Trump.
Dodd Frank is not the problem: NOT prosecuting Wall Street, NOT breaking up TBTF “institutions’… was/is. Dodd Frank was simply best congress could do to prevent same crooks from a repeat of “financial crisis”… greatly watered down mostly by repubs.
US sluggish recovery as much attributable to TBTF as anything.
All the news services this morning saying Jamie Dimon is being considered for Treasury.
Buyer beware. If this is how things break in a DT admin, those poor rural blue collar voters who nudged him in are gon’a be screwed… again.

Posted by: jdmckay | Nov 11 2016 17:08 utc | 136

An election analysis you won’t see in the MSM
Willis Eschenbach / 2 days ago November 9, 2016
When I was a kid, the Democrats were the party of the poor and the Republicans were the party of the rich.
However, somehow that changed when I wasn’t looking, and that is not now the case. See the results below.
The wealthier the state, the more people voted for Hillary.
Finally, the chart below also reveals the reason that the talking heads were so shocked by the outcome … see the one state with 93% Hillary votes way up at the top there?
The Democrats: The Party of the Rich? [.jpg]
That’s the District of Columbia, which is more than 10 to 1 liberal … and they wonder why they don’t know any Trump supporters, why have no idea of the pulse of the country, and why they thought he could never win? They’re stuck inside the Beltway Bubble, with the usual reality field distortion that occurs there.

Posted by: Killary PAC | Nov 11 2016 17:19 utc | 137

Jesus christ, they wont stop with their warmongering,
Those Pesky Russians! Hacker Hysteria Reaches Germany Ahead of Federal Elections
Read more: https://sputniknews.com/europe/201611111047348717-germany-cyber-attack-russia-claim/

Posted by: Porter | Nov 11 2016 17:53 utc | 138

Hey, even Duarte likes Trump 🙂
‘I’m just small molecule compared to Trump’ – Duterte
https://www.rt.com/news/366530-duterte-trump-philippines-molecule/

Posted by: Porter | Nov 11 2016 18:47 utc | 139

Re: Killary PAC quote of the observation that Hillary got the majority in the top income brackets. IMHO, this is not particularly sinister.
Income is quite correlated with education, and if the most educated detest GOP, this is to a large extend caused by the feeling being mutual. Consider “evolution being a mere theory”. I would spare you explanation, but in fact majority of bio-medical research is based on evolution and the assumption that contradicts “intelligent design”: the differences between the species are most frequent where it matters least. Consider global warming. Here it starts from a very simple phenomenon (requires some belief in quantum mechanics)”: presence of certain gases in the atmosphere changes the balance between the Sun energy that passes to Earth surface and the energy that goes back, shifting the equilibrium. It is indeed tricky to model what the extra heat is doing. And consider reassuring conclusions from Earth history: most of the time Homo sapiens was a species included frequent profound climate changes, so we will be able to adapt. Very well! Except that civilization as we know it (you know, beyond hunting, gathering, living in bands of several people roaming from place to place) started when the climate stabilized. But, as long as we are ready to go back to good old times, who cares what happen to the climate! Especially those of us who live righteously and will be raptured.
Basically, GOP found it profitable to ride the wave of proud ignorance, and as they are more and more successful at that, Trump being a major milestone, the more educated people are estranged. That said, resistance to facts is not limited to those without college degree or those who devoted their extra years of education to booze, “hooking up” and haggling for grades. Astonishingly, sometimes “the stupid people” get it better. After all, nowadays knowledge is specialized. On evolution, I know enough to make my own opinion, but on climate, I defer to experts who know quantum mechanics, multivariate calculus etc. It helps that my personal observation support the “mainstream thesis”. But deference to experts augmented with a bit of “common sense reasoning” quite frequently entraps our educated folks. Yesterday I got a clear example.
I know two ladies who are born in Belarus and have American citizenship. Most people in Belarus have the reputation of “simple, rather stupid folks”, peasants if you will. They have this peculiarity that unlike all folks around, they are not nationalistic. Now, one lady was deeply surprised that the docile folks of Belarus are ready to “fight for Mother Russia” when the said Mother is doing ugly stuff. That piece of knowledge had to come through family or friend channels. However, she was not aware that the take-over of Crimea was totally bloodless, Perhaps someone somewhere got shot, but Wikipedia in English does not mention ANYTHING. So we have tendency of avoiding checking the facts that we do not like, and then reconstructing the “truth” in a way that reinforces are prior choice of authorities. While the simple folks can be better informed because on that issue, the authorities they trust lie less, plus they have kin in Crimea and Donbass.
But it does not follow that being wrong on Crimea, educated folks are wrong on evolution etc. The sad truth is that there is no single authority that is right on everything. Why, even Wikipedia can be wrong! And sometimes even Trump is right. E.g. with practice, you indeed can get away with a forced kiss and a caress delivered below the belt (children, do not try it at home!).

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 11 2016 19:03 utc | 140

Dodd Frank is not the problem: NOT prosecuting Wall Street, NOT breaking up TBTF “institutions’… was/is. Dodd Frank was simply best congress could do to prevent same crooks from a repeat of “financial crisis”… greatly watered down mostly by repubs.
Posted by: jdmckay | Nov 11, 2016 12:08:45 PM | 145
Dodd Frank is convoluted, but I am with you 100%. Without the rule of law, no amount of positive action would have teeth. Which is what we’ve had, the edge of negative interest rates by the fed because Obama had no balls. The market will deliver long term respect to short term pain if the rules are clear and (at least seen to be) enforced.
… … … …
US sluggish recovery as much attributable to TBTF as anything.
All the news services this morning saying Jamie Dimon is being considered for Treasury.
Posted by: jdmckay | Nov 11, 2016 12:08:45 PM | 145
Jamie Dimon…? If that is true The Don needs to give himself an upper cut.
… … … ..
And about the Russian manipulation of the election, still crickets here….
Posted by: rufus magister | Nov 11, 2016 7:42:21 AM | 106
“what difference… at this point, what difference does it make…?”
Never thought Killary would be quotable in any positive sense. There you go. I was wrong.

Posted by: MadMax2 | Nov 11 2016 19:08 utc | 141

Jdmckay @145
Dodd-Frank was just a tidbit thrown to the ravenous masses after 2008. Looks like you bought the diversion and are trying to infect others (again…whether consciously or not).
It has not shown to rein in the financial sector or their taxpayer-paid-for post-recession bail-out party. You should know this.
Trump has said reinstating Glas-Steagal is on the table, should have been done when the man you championed became coach-driver.
I would take lower taxes for business, Glas-Steagal, and higher employment in a heartbeat. Time to start thinking about the buck being honest, again.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Nov 11 2016 19:16 utc | 142

Concerning the healthcare, this is indeed my favorite:
Enable States to experiment with innovative methods to deliver healthcare to our low-income citizens
A small quibble, why “low-income citizens” should be singled out to be benefactors of that unleashed torrent of healing creativity?
In any case, the first target should be the definition of the desired outcomes. Should the children be rickets free, or should we satisfied when they can still walk (most of them anyway)? Should we aim for lack of cavities in most cases and a complete set of teeth at the end of high schools, and should states decide according to the local norms, without diktat from Washington? Etc. etc.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 11 2016 19:32 utc | 143

Guardian is reporting Pence is replacing Christie on the transition team …
I read an article yesterday saying that Pence considers Cheney his role model vice president … Does Pence have the experience and deep connections (and over-bearing vindictiveness) to play Cheney in the Trump’s administration and how to reconcile a GOP establishment Pence with a wanna-be-maverick/independent Trump?
(I’ve not seen any indication that Trump has deep understanding of anything, so foundering, he may cling to anyone he “trusts” (temporarily) for guidance and to take lead and responsibility/blame)
Is Pence up to the job of being Trump’s Cheney … and will Trump “like it” if he tries to be?

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Nov 11 2016 19:35 utc | 144

NemesisCalling @ 151
>> It has not shown to rein in the financial sector or their taxpayer-paid-for post-recession bail-out party. You should know this. << Of course. But it made some of the most grotesque WS abuses of the "financial crisis" more difficult to repeat. If you leave the crooks (TBTF) in charge, any legislation is going to fingers in the dike. People should have gone to prison. >> Trump has said reinstating Glas-Steagal is on the table, << fine with me... but people being floated now as DT's economic team are "troubling" to say the least. >> should have been done when the man you championed became coach-driver. << Huh? No idea what you're talking about there.

Posted by: jdmckay | Nov 11 2016 19:48 utc | 145

Change the names and towns and you’ll get a picture of France preparing for the next election
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/nov/03/trump-supporters-us-elections

Posted by: Mina | Nov 11 2016 20:06 utc | 146

Bernie Sanders declares willingness to “work with Trump”
By Eric London, 11 November 2016
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/11/11/sand-n11.html
“It is entirely fitting that Donald Trump emerged from the ashes of this degrading spectacle.
“In the aftermath of the election of Trump, Sanders and the Democratic Party will once again make appeals to workers and youth to follow them into the Democratic Party and oppose the new administration through the loyal minority. Sections of the Democratic Party establishment, led by figures like Sanders and Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren and backed by political idiots like Michael Moore, will proclaim that the Democratic Party is being “transformed” and “pushed to the left.”
“Lies, lies, and more lies. The degrading debacle of the last 18 months has proven that the American political system is set up to muzzle the working class and tie it to the parties of its capitalist exploiters.”

Posted by: Robert Beal | Nov 11 2016 20:10 utc | 147

Governor Christie will not be in Trump’s transition team….probably bridgegate problem……https://www.rt.com/usa/366558-pence-trump-trunsition-team/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

Posted by: norlurking | Nov 11 2016 21:06 utc | 148

desperating to see that the EU populists are the only one to actually say something sound on the US election
http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/trump-spells-trouble-for-berlin-and-brussels-a-1120905.html

Posted by: Mina | Nov 11 2016 22:29 utc | 149

Many non-U.S. citizens are as delighted as I am (if not more) that this election freak-show is over. Yet they’re confused about the outcome because of the wall of arm-chair quarterback noise that was sure to follow. Why did Americans elect Trump instead of Clinton? I was asked to offer one single article I though best sums up what happened for my confused overseas friends. This article by John Steppling in CounterPunch – I think – is the best single explanation I have read to date and accurately covers nearly every KEY aspect of the American consciousness regarding this election, including why many (like me) didn’t even bother to vote:
The Big Split

Posted by: PavewayIV | Nov 11 2016 23:19 utc | 150

@140 PB
No problem on the spelling. I used to be a ‘good speller’ but now I see the strangest mistakes in my spelling, sometimes I draw a blank for a few seconds on a word when fixing it, or when trying to think of just the one I want in context to begin with. In my case, my built-in reservoir of correct spellings and more or less conventional pairings seems to be the first thing that’s going.
Spelling seems to be more interesting than speculation on the Donald? Yeah, it does. He’s not on our side. Hillary’s not on our side. The only ones on our side are ourselves – in theory – but we’re entranced by our tormentors and seem incapable of acting, of seizing power and acting in our own interests.
How about … In 2012: 1.6%, in 2016: 3 X 1.6% = 4.8%, in 2018: 3 X 4.8% = 14.4%, in 2020: 3 X 14.4% = 43.2%, in 2022: we win, in 2024: we celebrate, and restructure things bottom-up, with ourselves and our bottoms permanently ‘on top’.
Of course we have to settle on someone a majority of us can vote for in each of 546 instances (537, for now), but 537/546 is not a big number. One hundred seventy thousand plus is a big number (the number of polling precincts in the USA) and three hundred thirteen million is larger still.
But where there’s no will there’s no way.
One thing that is sure is that the beatings will continue.
So our willful national choice in the present instance may yet prove to have been the beginnings of our measured and deliberate non-violent seizure of power, following the political paths available to us. They’re calling out to us – “use me! use me!’ A little bit of organizational elbow grease applied continuously by us participants – eyes on the prize – rather than a trumped up Triumph of the Will – of Republicrats and Demoblicans in alternation, like the tag-team wrestlers on TV.
I just downloaded Dodd-Frank. Eight hundred forty-eight pages. The Cybersecurity Act of 2015 starts at page 1728 and runs to page 1863 of Division N of the Omnibus legislation of that year. How many of the obedient servants of the TNCs had any idea what it contained – much less of what the entire Omnibus bill contained – when they knuckled their brows and passed it, fittingly, in the middle of the night? Zero to none. Plenty of room for twists and turns and obfuscation, no room for truth at all. Midnight, not morning, in America.
We need to take the time to determine what it is we actually want, to state so in a single-pager – maybe two – that we can all read and understand and defend, and then implement it, step by step, one foot in front of the other. That requires an enumeration of paths and a choice among them, and the powers of darkness require choices that get us lost in the black forest and fly like bats in the face of our majority interest, so there will never be any help from them. We are the only ones here with our interests at heart. No one is going to do it for us – or worse, they will, while we sit, transfixed on the couch in mid-feed, frozen forever – like at Pompei – with our popped-corn-kernels raised to our lips, lit by the light cast by our TVs.

Posted by: jfl | Nov 11 2016 23:52 utc | 151

@159 PW
You coulda had a V8.

Posted by: jfl | Nov 11 2016 23:55 utc | 152

NY times exit polls show that reality and their reportage are two different animals.White women and white college grads went Trump,not by a large margin,but enough to blow their misogynist garbage and poor deplorables BS out of the water.
And Johnson stole much more Trump votes than Stein Hell bitches.And her showing was abysmal,Stein,I guess because all the noble Stein supporters went HB at the ballot box,as they are all hypocrites.What a laugh.
Reopening 9-11 would expose a lot of zionist neolibcon asses,especially if the truth has been known to our poohbahs a long time.
I think we are going to love Trump!

Posted by: dahoit | Nov 12 2016 0:01 utc | 153

PW … from your link …

The white bourgeois of both genders wanted to keep the status quo. Why wouldn’t they? They aren’t going to be affected by death in Yemen, or Iraq, or Libya. …
And yet, so immersed in their own narcissistic delusions, the affluent supporters of Clinton bought into all of it.

It’s just as john said in another thread … US lower-middle class are at the 80th percentile when it comes to the worldwide distribution of income. All pain and no gain since 1988, at least. But it goes up from there, straight up at 90% … ‘unearned’ income. Capital gains. Privilege.
The ‘white bourgeois of both genders’ have not yet seen the enemy and realized it is US.
After their reflexive defensiveness will there be any reflection? Will they realize that they can’t keep it all, but can keep plenty, and still rejoin the human race?
As Steppling points out, the ‘folks’ above the 90th percentile of the worldwide distribution of income saw the handwriting on the wall before the election, and changed horses mid-stream. They’re driving the Trump bus now, and all the Trump voters are riding in the back. Co-opted.
It’s always possible for the many to rise up and unseat the few. Will we do it?

Posted by: jfl | Nov 12 2016 0:35 utc | 154

This should be required viewing for all potential democrat candidates
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs

Posted by: bbbb | Nov 12 2016 0:43 utc | 155

@163 b4
They’ll dump the brand. Create a new anti-democrat party named something other than ‘The Democrats’. ‘The Democrats’ has all appeal of ‘The Aristocrats’ right now.

Posted by: jfl | Nov 12 2016 1:16 utc | 156

@163
… or do a takeover … the Green Party ought to be pretty cheap right now. Get rid of Stein … she’s a ‘loser’ and they’re off. As someone else observed, the US Green Party is more of an NGO than a political party. Beware the Greens bearing gifts.
We need a nameless party. One which disbands between elections.

Posted by: jfl | Nov 12 2016 1:19 utc | 157

@164
… a party like an anti-neutron bomb … after the election it blows up all the stuff and leaves just us ordinary people.

Posted by: jfl | Nov 12 2016 1:21 utc | 158

At last, a rant worth sharing …
“President Trump: How & Why…”
Jonathan Pie
(Published on Nov 10, 2016)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs

Posted by: x | Nov 12 2016 1:28 utc | 159

… and another …
“The Truth About the Trump Protests”
Paul Joseph Watson
[Published on Nov 10, 2016, “Fuck off to North Korea, you democracy-hating clowns.”]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d9lm-T87AQ

Posted by: x | Nov 12 2016 1:50 utc | 160

Hilary looks good in orange http://www.wnd.com/2016/11/ex-doj-official-hillary-emails-need-special-prosecutor/

Posted by: Bluemot5 | Nov 12 2016 2:13 utc | 161

Anybody following the pizzagate pedofile creepy stuff that has come out from looking at Wikileaks, podestra emails?
Good summary here, I only looked at 3 min video , and mind maps and then just read….some of the links might be nauseating…John Podestra was Bill Clinton’s chief of staff and worked with Obama and was heavily involved with Hilary campaign .open source investigation in the comments….https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5b1qtf/comet_ping_pong_pizzagate_summary/?st=ivek9blc&sh=cdfc3df4
Also of note….a break in the case?
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5bk4er/weaponized_autists_have_cracked_the_fucking/?st=ivel3npp&sh=9bc327fc

Posted by: Bluemot5 | Nov 12 2016 2:20 utc | 162

… and M. Moore demolished … the end of ‘Deceit USA’ (for at least a week)
“Michael Moore is a Sack of Shit”
Paul Joseph Watson
(Nov 3rd, 2016)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rtqJ3W3g1c

Posted by: x | Nov 12 2016 2:20 utc | 163

@rufus
Your shameless lobbying for Hillary discredits everything you say now. We all know that you’re a shameless Hillbot.
Hillary/DNC are clearly orchestrating riots/protests and Hillbots like rufus to misdirect people. They want the Left focused on Trump instead of questioning the DNC’s corrupt leadership.
Sorry rufie, it’s not working.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 12 2016 2:35 utc | 164

There is no reforming the democratic party–only beating it to move leftward under further electoral losses. The leadership of much of the party is in elected officials. Nancy Pelosi when rich donors complained about Warren told them that Warren did not speak for the party. The NY delegation is totally in the pockets of Wall Street. For heaven’s sake, in the Oregon delegation every elected liberal lawmaker vote for TPP except Merkeley.
Obama who gave two sheets about gay rights had to support them once the gay rights movement got political traction and could hurt him and the party. Only movements which threaten the democrats with loss of position and income are the forces which can reform the party. It won’t happen from inside the party.

Posted by: Erelis | Nov 12 2016 2:44 utc | 165

MEANSTREAM MEDIA should have their FCC licenses REVIEWED, not necessarily “Revoked” but certainly the FCC should consider ABC, CBS, CNN NBC, MSNBC, AP, Reuters, PBS as being worth investigation into Media BIAS!!! For backlash let’s consider sending notes to ADVERTISERS on those channels and Magazines & Newspapers that like the BDS of Israel for Palestinian Genocide we will NOT buy their products or subscribe for their services.
I am a soon to be 65 year old disabled hippie and had Hillary do me (and ALL Mars enthusiasts) a Favor once: http://commonsensecentral.net/csc_2001/hillary_clinton_visits_ccc.htm
But since that 2000 action, she showed her TRUE colors when she got into the Senate by being Silent on the false Flag of 911, voting for Iraq War, and SHE started the inquiry into Obama’s Birth Certificate NOT Donald Trump. See: http://mycommonsensepolitics.com/
And Libya had the HIGHEST standard of living on the ENTIRE continent on Africa. Qaddafi may have been a bad guy before with the Lockerbie bombing, but he paid reparations, turned his country around. He gave his citizens FREE water, electricity, school, medical care and jobs for anyone willing to work. What got him in Hillary’s cross hair’s was Sydney Bluementhal email to her about his plan to make an African-wide “dollar” similar to the Euro. He had the GOLD to do it, and that threatened the almighty OIL FIAT dollar, so as Secretary of State and the French who found their lost colony succeeding and abandoning their former masters. Hillary the War Hawk she ALWAYS was as Secretary of State sent the CIA in for Regime change into Benghazi and got more than just 4 people killed, there was a weapons to Syrian terrorists chain from there to Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Israeli Mossad agents. Like my main site shows General Wesley Clark the DARK GOVERNMENT wanted to overthrow 7 countries in 5 years.
imho, good riddance to Clintons, Bushes, Reagons and the DARK BLACK BUDGET projects, the NSA, DIA, DOD, FBI, Homeland Security should be disbanded and a NEW FULL investigation into the those in Government UNDER OATH in a PUBLIC FORUM. Also there should be a 25 year MAXIMUM on CLASSIFIED ELEMENTS of ANY KIND. This means names, dates, actions, weapons used, etc. 15 years everything MUST be declassified and keeping names blacked out, for 10 years so that those involved in nefarious deeds have a decade to get their act in order and LEAVE the USA, and good riddance.
Obama’s Hope and Change became Despair and Chains.
DRONING a 15 YEAR OLD AMERICAN TEENAGER !!!
Reality must be truthful to be useful
If there’s nothing to hide…why hide the information, objects or gag people or documents or loose emails violating Federal Law?
Say what you mean and mean what you say.
Don’t make promises and policies you don’t intend to keep and to keep the policies and promises you do make.
ACTIONS speak louder than words.
ACTIONS are PROOF of intent.
ACTIONS are the final judgment of character.
It REALLY is that simple.

Posted by: rhw007 | Nov 12 2016 3:10 utc | 166

Bluemot5@171 – I had to take a dip in the Reddit swamp to see what all the ‘Weaponized Autists’ were clucking about. Meh. I wasn’t terribly impressed with #Pizzagate, even for the enthusiastic tin-foil hat nutter that I am. Pedophile ‘symbols’ in pizza place logos? Er… sure. I’m guessing the FBI won’t be looking at this one too closely.
Then I happened to see some tweets pointing out this absolutely creepy item concerning the Madeleine McCann kidnapping in 2007. As far as I can tell, the eFit renderings of the suspects is absolutely authentic. It’s right on the Wikipedia page as released by Scotland Yard in 2013. Now can even the most jaded skeptics on MoA tell me that the Scotland Yard child kidnapping suspects are not dead ringers for the Podesta brothers? Maybe the Reddit ‘Autists’ are on to something with their Clinton pedophile ramblings.
https://pics.onsizzle.com/above-police-sketches-of-men-wanted-in-relation-to-disappearance-6243381.png
I remember Madeleine’s disappearance being big news across the pond for a long time. Can anyone tell me if the Podesta brother’s ‘coincidental’ likeness to the persons of interest is making the news in England? I know they like to silence any discussion of the elite’s fascination (in a sexual way) with children, so maybe the Podesta brothers ‘news’ will be kept under wraps there as well. Twitter has been running a rather aggressive censorship campaign by deleting hashtags and accounts discussing the pedophile ring accusations. I’m pretty sure I don’t want to know what kind of pictures they found on Anthony Weiner’s computer, either. Can’t someone make this go away? My tin-foil hat is smoking!

Posted by: PavewayIV | Nov 12 2016 5:34 utc | 167

@ PavewayIV
Here is a tinfoil hat thought I created out of thin air.
How about if Obama gets to pardon Clinton for everything in exchange for pardoning Trump for everything so he can take office?
Sick enough for you?
When you are up to you ass in alligators it is hard to remember that your original intention was to drain the swamp.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 12 2016 5:56 utc | 168

@Paveway IV
Thanks for your comment.
The 3 min video ( https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9itWsqzFMVo) will confirm beyond a doubt that the Podestra bro is into deep creep sh’t –can’t unsee . This is my first time looking at reddit–got there via corbett report links–looked because I had seen some cryptic ‘pizza’ posts on fb feed…
.
The summary (https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5b1qtf/comet_ping_pong_pizzagate_summary/?st=ivewn3af&sh=0924bffe) has been worked on in great depth by one of the persons there, the mind maps of person-and corporation contacts are worth a look. The comments and links are exploring the possibility that Clinton Foundation is involved in world wide trafficking of children.
This link has a few pics that make me wonder about how far and wide the pedofile network goes….but I don’t know if the one of Obama might be photoshopped? And I have to admit, the pizza email at top of page is very odd. https://dcpizzagate.wordpress.com/2016/11/07/first-blog-post/

Posted by: Bluemot5 | Nov 12 2016 7:45 utc | 169

First time I’ve seen Bernard come down on same side as Soros. Trump not a megalomaniac : he’s an American , who’s angered the establishment esp Soros who prefers soneone who can be controlled , Soros uses various means to whip up the Moveon crowd to autocratically remove an elected leader, to install soneone like Clinton .
Why oppose Trump ? Give him a chance to see whT sort of US president he is . Hes not I. Office and already people and non Americans try to oust him .
Be glad it’s not Clinton there

Posted by: Brian | Nov 12 2016 10:00 utc | 170

The democrats ! ? Lest you forget they sidelined Bernie Sanders and chose Hillary Clinton. Do you think they can be trusted to choose a better candidate ?

Posted by: Brian | Nov 12 2016 10:02 utc | 171

Posted by: Ghostship | Nov 11, 2016 9:28:39 AM | 117
He will try to get infrastructure investment going. The interesting thing to watch is if he will turn to democrats to get it passed.
To give the US incredibly rich tax breaks they have to invest in infrastructure actually is a good idea, how good depends on the fine print.
Investment in infrastructure is famous for kickstarting national economies. If it is successful the US will need Latin American workers for it.
The fascinating part will be how much will be roads and how much public transport. It if is a large part public transport it will be good for the environment, too.
Trump is a racist who believes in human breeding, racial traits and is completely unscrupulous to use racial prejudice like teaming up with Hindus against Muslims. In that he is more intelligent than Democrats who think there is a “Hispanic” demographic, missing that older Cuban anti-communist immigrants might not be on the same page as young Mexicans and believe they can intervene in Honduras without alienating left wing Latin Americans. You could make an argument that Democrat identity politics are just as racist. Their gender policy definitively did not work.
Trump did incite a vile atmosphere in workplaces, schools and streets but in the end people themselves, teachers and companies are responsible. And as Angry Arab notes – if he should stop bombing Muslim countries, there would be a net Muslim gain. But that is a huge if. Trump definitely is the police state “law and order” candidate. And I suspect “Make America Great Again” has a militaristic aspect, too. He is in favor of torture and the death sentence. Peter Thiel, his backer, specializes in surveillance. And I don’t really see any difference to the German fascist strategy to build the “Autobahn” and “peace in Europe” first and then go to war later. Except that Trump declared “I won’t do first strike”. But I guess a Trump declaration is not worth much.
It would be interesting to calculate the ecological damage after 8 years of Trump. Coal is bad but the cheap transport ecology costs of a globalized economy are huge. German Audi built a factory in Mexico designed to produce a special type of car to be delivered to the whole world. It would be good if this kind of planning stopped.

Posted by: somebody | Nov 12 2016 15:19 utc | 173

Nobody weighs in. Thinks he’ somebody.
Ignored.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 12 2016 15:38 utc | 174

IMO When you say stoopid shit and insult our host in the process you are not “somebody”.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 12 2016 15:57 utc | 175

Piotr at 143. Oh I agree. To add. There is another elephant in the room concerning US HC. Particularly for children. Health care is both explicitly and implictly (in the minds of ppl) related to curing / managing / helping / ‘deviant’ conditions created by ‘body malfunctions’ (birth defects, disabilities, cancer, bad heart…) or outside influence / events of a nefarious type (pathogens, diseases, accidents..) or a combo of the two.
It is no coordinated in any way with the conditions that are necessary for children to be healthy, such as good nutritious food, clean water, sanitation, etc. This leads to endless expensive programs that ‘diagnose’, ‘manage’ ‘treat’ etc. poor children and all their ills, physical, mental, etc. often thru very dodgy charities / state-private schemes. All these children need is money. That is, e.g. clean ‘adequate’ housing, and say 350 (off the cuff) p. month for Ok food, clothing and ‘supplies.’ Instead, the ppl who ‘care’ rake in huge amounts…they run scans, blood work, psy tests. and weekly meets for kiddos who can’t even get TANF (food stamps.)
The forerunner in this mess was of course Bill Clinton. See for ex. just one wiki.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_Responsibility_and_Work_Opportunity_Act

Posted by: Noirette | Nov 12 2016 17:29 utc | 176

French hubris at its best (on Trump; top journos + think tanks; the host herself a career journalist, married to a famous pseudo-socialist politician)
https://www.franceculture.fr/emissions/affaires-etrangeres/election-de-trump-les-enjeux-de-la-nouvelle-presidence-americaine-vue

Posted by: Mina | Nov 12 2016 17:50 utc | 177

Mina @177
The graphic says it all: a hand-grenade brain. His very thoughts are dangerous. Keep your distance!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 12 2016 18:35 utc | 178

b. I find your attack on Trump surprising. What you have been writing about for years now should be by far the most important issue with regard to how you are judging Trump ie. Syria and Russia. What is he going to do about Syria and Russia? Apart from that what are you and most others on the forum whingeing about? Already in less than a couple of days he’s managed to change Obama’s policy on Syria. I don’t give a shit what he does apart from this because I think on this he has some latitude. I believe, cynically, that he is backed by parts of the elite who think it is not the time take on Russia. On everything else he will deal with the Matrix, that satanically beautifully built system that includes everything, meshes and intermeshes, and from which very little has not been included.
For your comments about Trump’s “racism” please consider Andrew Korybko’s opinion in his article in today’s Global Research.

Posted by: Lochearn | Nov 12 2016 18:52 utc | 179

Ne t step is Palin?

Posted by: mina | Nov 12 2016 20:42 utc | 180

Palin? As she is used to gaze on the Russian shores from her window, she could be a logical choice for Secretary of State. She could be a good partner for Lavrov, Boris Johnson etc. In particular, Putin could entrain her in a traditional way (inviting for a big game hunt, in old time the royalty kept huge game reserves specifically for that purpose).

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 12 2016 21:44 utc | 181

The Duran provides proof anti-Trump acitities being financed by Soros-backed NGOs, http://theduran.com/anti-trump-protesters-paid-staged-craigslist-reveals/

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 12 2016 22:00 utc | 182

@ 111
Beyond all the high tech jobs are all the little mom & pop stores.

Posted by: ~f | Nov 12 2016 23:09 utc | 183

@111 again
Yeah… i totally agree. Maybe we could have a beer with teh Trump and talk about it.
I’d the Platform stupid.

Posted by: ~f | Nov 12 2016 23:21 utc | 184

Freedom Rider: Dump the Democrats for Good

Black people are now in fear and in shock when we ought to be spoiling for a fight. All is not lost. Even the victory of the openly bigoted Trump poses an opportunity to right our political ship. Not the electoral ship, the political one. For decades black Americans have been voting for people who have done them wrong. Bill Clinton got rid of public assistance as a right, and undid regulations that kept Wall Street in check. He put black people in jail and yet black people didn’t turn on him until he and his wife tried to defeat Obama. But Obama gave us more of the same. Bailouts of Wall Street, interventions and death for people all over the world, and a beat down of black people who still loved him. Despite the fear of Republican victory we end up losing whenever a Democratic presidential candidate wins.
When Donald Trump asked black people, “What have you got to lose?” his words were met with derision. But in reality he posed a good question. What do we have to show for years of Democratic votes? Obama bailed out banks, insurance companies, Big Pharma and even Ukraine. But he didn’t rebuild Detroit or New Orleans. The water in Flint, Michigan is still poisoned and the prisons are still full.
The black politicians and the Democratic National Committee and the civil rights organizations that don’t help the masses must all be kicked to the proverbial curb. The rejection must be complete and blame must be laid squarely at their feet.
Those of us who voted for the green party ticket of Jill Stein and Ajamu Baraka must stand firmly and proudly for our choice. We must strategize on building a progressive party to replace the Democrats who never help us. We must applaud Julian Assange and Wikileaks for exposing their corruption. There should be no back tracking on the fight to build left wing political power.
The end of the duopoly is the first step in liberation. Staying with a party that literally did nothing was a slow and agonizing death. Sometimes shock therapy is needed to improve one’s condition. If we don’t take the necessary steps to free ourselves this election outcome will be a disaster. Instead, why not bring the disaster to the people who made it happen? The destruction of the Democratic Party and creation of a truly progressive political movement is the only hope for black America.

The only hope for America coincides with Margaret Kimberley’s only hope for black America, in my view. I’m glad she said movement rather than party. I wish she had not used the word progressive. ‘Progressive’ has suffered the same fate as ‘liberal’, at least in my hearing. A permanent democratic movement which gives rise to multiple candidates coupled with poll-to-majority elections are one way, the path of least change/resistance it seems to me, out of our structural straight jacket. Which does seem to be a birth defect, Noirette @176. Once removed we can concentrate on fixing what ails us in conditions necessary to good political health.

Posted by: jfl | Nov 13 2016 0:40 utc | 185

What if someone told you that your next President’s cabinet would look like this:
Mike Pence VP
Reince Priebus CoS
Newt Gingrich State
Rudy Giuliani Justice
John Bolton State or U.N.
James Woolsey NSA
Jamie Dimon Treasury
(I can see Russsia…) Sarah Palin Interior
And what if the first leader he spoke with after his win was Bibi Netanyahu. Israel is a country where the Left is disappearing.
I’d say, if Obama was Bush lite then Trump is more Cheney and less Bush.
And what does the power structure do when it sees the country is leaning more Left than Right; therefore less support for perpetual war?
It stops immigration known to be leftist and neutralizes the leftist forces included in the following minorities that are expanding to quickly for the power structure (the real government): African Americans, Latinos and Muslims.
The Zio-Neocon Plan is going into acceleration mode.

Posted by: Circe | Nov 13 2016 0:52 utc | 186

jfl @185
The anger in the comments is palpable.
But the Democrats are *still* at it. Blaming everyone but the corrupt Democratic leadership.
The Democratic Party sold out many years ago. It is irredeemable because the major donors and leaders will not let go of their grip. They will just try to fool everyone again. That’s what they do.
Best to walk away. Start fresh. And be vigilant wrt undue and hidden influences. Oh, and EDUCATE people about why they were screwed yet again.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 13 2016 1:25 utc | 187

Circe @186:

What if….

1) “What if …” Hillary had won?
Why don’t we just wait for him to announce his picks in a few weeks instead of scare-mongering to undermine his support?
2) I fully expect that the first, or one of the first, foreign leaders that ANY President-elect will talk with is the Israeli head of state. Raising this non-issue as a concern indicates that you have an agenda. Hasbara?
I’ve heard that Trump has already backed off moving the US embassy to Jerusalem.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 13 2016 1:44 utc | 188

@ Circe who wrote: The Zio-Neocon Plan is going into acceleration mode.
I commented recently that we were going from the frying pan into the fire but a friend said no, we are going out of the frying pan and into the furnace.
Pun intended I believe.
Jamie Dimon I think indicated he was not interested in a cabinet position. Why take the public heat when he can help run the show from behind the curtain.
What happens to the lawsuits that are lined up against Trump for his “college” and the rape thing? Are there others? Do those things get pardoned along with Clinton II?
I am impressed by the market manipulation so far. The move that spun my hat was reading that someone dumped 10 BILLION of gold onto the market and drove the price down significantly…..why? Got Fear? And equities hit all time highs but you can bet that the elite will have their money out of the market before it crashes (assuming it does) and pension funds/little folks will lose the big amounts.
Am I negative enough? I do believe that all this is being manipulated by the folks that own private finance….but they are doing Gods work, right?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 13 2016 1:46 utc | 189

One of the issues that is rarely discussed is the power of the media to control the thinking of so many.
Here is a quote from Wikibooks.org about Communication Theory/Propaganda and the Public

Based on the traditional theories of Lippmann, Lasswell, Bernays, and Ellul, more recent studies have been able to be conducted on the use of propaganda in creating public opinion. Lippmann (1922) was essentially the first theorist to develop the idea of the agenda-setting function of the media. By 1972, McCombs and Shaw had set out to study this phenomenon in their work “The Agenda-Setting Function of Mass Media.” This study examined the 1968 presidential campaign, by asking undecided voters to identify the key issues of the presidential campaign, and then comparing those ideas to the issues that were being presented by the mass media at the time (McCombs & Shaw, 1972). McCombs and Shaw (1972) found that there was a +0.967 correlation between voter judgment of important issues, and media presentation of those issues. McCombs and Shaw used this information to further Lippmann’s ideas that the mass media did indeed set the agenda for what the public should think about.
Iyengar and Kinder (1982) expanded on Lippmann’s theories as well, by putting the idea of agenda-setting and priming to the test. They created experimental situations, in which subjects were exposed to news broadcasts that emphasized particular events. The results of this study both supported and expanded upon Lippmann’s initial theories. “Our experiments decisively sustain Lippmann’s suspicion that media provide compelling descriptions of a public world that people cannot directly experience” (Iyengar & Kinder, 1982, p. 855). Iyengar and Kinder (1982) found that those news items that received the most attention, were the news items that people found to be the most significant. Furthermore, Iyengar and Kinder (1982) also found evidence of a priming effect, in that those events that received the most attention by a news broadcast, also weighed the most heavily on evaluations of the president at a later time.

When we wonder how all these folks seem so brainwashed about our world, we need to look no further than the media gate keepers/ agenda setters that control what the “public” thinks. Coming out of WWII the public saw clearly the effects that Hitler had on the German public and in response to the in the US in 1949 The Fairness Doctrine was established. From Wikipedia:

The Fairness Doctrine was a policy of the United States Federal Communications Commission (FCC), introduced in 1949, that required the holders of broadcast licenses both to present controversial issues of public importance and to do so in a manner that was — in the Commission’s view — honest, equitable, and balanced. The FCC eliminated the Doctrine in 1987, and in August 2011 the FCC formally removed the language that implemented the Doctrine.[1]
The Fairness Doctrine had two basic elements: It required broadcasters to devote some of their airtime to discussing controversial matters of public interest, and to air contrasting views regarding those matters. Stations were given wide latitude as to how to provide contrasting views: It could be done through news segments, public affairs shows, or editorials. The doctrine did not require equal time for opposing views but required that contrasting viewpoints be presented. The demise of this FCC rule has been considered by some to be a contributing factor for the rising level of party polarization in the United States.[2][3]
The main agenda for the doctrine was to ensure that viewers were exposed to a diversity of viewpoints. In 1969 the United States Supreme Court upheld the FCC’s general right to enforce the Fairness Doctrine where channels were limited. But the courts did not rule that the FCC was obliged to do so.[4] The courts reasoned that the scarcity of the broadcast spectrum, which limited the opportunity for access to the airwaves, created a need for the Doctrine. However, the proliferation of cable television, multiple channels within cable, public-access channels, and the Internet have eroded this argument, since there are plenty of places for ordinary individuals to make public comments on controversial issues at low or no cost at all.

Maybe one of the next steps we need is to reestablish the Fairness Doctrine or something that provides a break from the closely held and highly biased, IMO, media of today.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 13 2016 5:53 utc | 190

@188
I remember when Obama picked his cabinet in 2009 I was on Huffpo writing the same about him and getting the same kind of resentment you just wrote. Either it’s they were angry I tried to snap them out the Obama (in this case Trump) illusion they’d been put under for months during the campaign, or those who have an interest in seeing they stay deluded don’t want someone like me trying to snap others out of it. I know a fake when I see one and read one. Okay, so you’re trying to tell me, my lying eyes deceive me; he didn’t already choose Pence, VP, a Neocon-prepared stooge, and didn’t have Giuliani another Neocon and police state chief at his rallies helping him whip up the crowd? And a man, Trump, who praises Arpaio the architect of the Arizona gulag “tent city” is going to be good for America, because America needs more gulags like tent city, right? Gee, I wonder what Trump has in store for blacks, latinos and Muslims?
What if Hillary had won? FYI, I didn’t want her to win; we all know what she’s about. I wanted Trump to win, check my previous posts. I like it when people are shocked into reality. Hillary would have kept them in the dark for a while longer, but since too many on the Left are starting to see their democracy usurped; the democrats were starting to be an inconvenient tool of control. What was needed is a correction for the growing group of minorities who are a threat to the Judeo-Christian White Right.
Trump’s the guy in the ivory tower with the gold-plated bathroom, columns and ornate ceiling that just fooled millions of ignorant, uneducated little people and, yes, most of them are White and also threatened by the growing group of Blacks, Latinos and Muslims so between promising them jobs that’ll never come back from China and Mexico, he fired up false hope and homophobia up and down the Appalachia trail.
So I wanted Trump to win cause he’s what everyone needs right now. People have allowed for their democracy to be hi-jacked again and again and they keep choosing between the lesser of two evils but this time they chose evil and that’s good, because it’s time for a reality check after cyclical voting between these two parties who represent a powerful minority interest and they keep hoping they’ll have a voice; without ever fighting for it or thinking for themselves and allowing instead for the media controlled by that powerful minority to do the thinking for them, so yeah, they needed the Trump wake-up call. Hence Trump’s campaign theme: you’re not getting what you want; but you’re get what you need. IMHO and sticking with Rolling Stones songs, Sympathy for the Devil; would have nailed it.
So now some of the masses on the Left are already angry; they’re marching and protesting; and at least it’s a start; and Trump inspired this anger and uprising; as I thought he would, which is why I wanted him to win, because there’s something very bad happening and people need to see it; and they’re starting to only it’s not just suppression through supremacy, but it’s also allowing for the democracy that belongs to the American people to be used for the interests of a specific ideology, namely, Zionism.
There’s suppression and subversion, and it’s getting worse, because the minority with the most power want to maintain their power and protect Zionism and they need to organize the world according to their order to sustain power and feel secure, and to do that the masses must pay by sacrificing their democratic rights and worse their sons, daughters, mothers and fathers, and millions of others surrounding the Zionist entity must have their lives destroyed by war and chaos until that order is achieved and nothing and no one will get in the way.
Trump spoke to Netanyahu, not Putin. The only reason Trump will use Putin is to help get rid of ISIS and then influence him with some deal not to get in the way of neutralizing Iran. Netanyahu’s also starting to work Putin; maybe their mutual mistrust of NATO, is was Netanyahu’s uses to work Putin. And if you ask me, Netanyahu’s a snake, and Putin should remember that the U.S. and Israel are the emerging Empire and he’s in the way and they’ll eventually deal with him. The U.S. and Israel will put up with Putin’s hold on Tartus until they have their way with Iran; then it’s game over for Putin.
Trump is all in with Netanyahu.
Trump is part of the Anglo/Zionist plan.

Posted by: Circe | Nov 13 2016 8:04 utc | 191

@189 psycho ‘someone dumped 10 BILLION of gold onto the market and drove the price down significantly’
I’m no expert on the gold market but I think that it was true that the US Treasury, or a front thereof, was manipulating the market in just the way you note above. But I read awhile back that the center of gravity in gold had moved to China, Shanghai, I think it was, because there they actually trade gold – the heavy, shiny metal – whereas in the ‘gold market’ in the US – in Chicago? – they trade paper.
The only effect of their manipulations now is to provide a buying opportunity for the Russians, Chinese, and others who actually want to take possession of the stuff … and maybe wipe out some of the ‘smart money’ who will one day be able neither to unload their paper at a profit, nor come up with the heavy, shiny metal on settlement.
But as I say, I am no expert on the gold market … but given the facts it’s telling that non-experts can see right through it though, isn’t it? The financial world is that deeply under water.
@190 ‘one of the next steps we need is to reestablish the Fairness Doctrine or something …’
Or something … the anti-trust, anti-monopoly laws are still on the books. Check out the Donald’s second point under Six measures to clean up the corruption and special interest collusion in Washington, DC. Looks like a purposeful hiring freeze to prevent just that from happening … while soliciting all of our applause for ‘cleaning up’ AC/DC.

Posted by: jfl | Nov 13 2016 9:14 utc | 192

@191
I, and I think many others, more or less agree with your position. I didn’t want Trump to win, I wanted Hillary to lose. Horse and carriage, go together like love an marriage … that’s the lesson people need to draw, according to me. I think I’ve said that about a million times before: it’s the faked choice, wham-bam thank you mam scam.
I don’t think that Trump will be worse than Hillary on any count. I think he might be better on ‘the wars’. Trump is an old-fashioned, born and bred in the USA grifter and grafter. He sees no need for these expensive ‘regime change’ operations, or geo-politics. He’s ready to ditch all that if it will buy him the ‘grace’ he needs to rob us blind in America.
And who knows, might open up an opportunity to rob the Russians blind too … worth a shot. They have a lot to lose. Why fire shots and draw blood when you can leave everything intact and steal it with a fountain pen? Or so the Deal Meister thinks. (But there are no international bankruptcy courts, are there?)
This is not unlike Thaksin Shinawatra’s scam in Thailand. He introduced universal medical care, and the ordinary people of Thailand will love him as much as the Bangkokians will hate him for that, forever. It bought him a get-out-of-jail-free card with them for all his thefts and massacres. I think Trump is considering pulling the same scam. Doing ‘the right thing’ for ‘the wrong reasons’.
Given the choices available ordinary Thais and ordinary Americans took the path they felt that suited them best – the only path that suited them at all (potentially), actually. Many Trump voters, many Clinton voters, knew they were voting for the dog in the manger, but each weighed the possible outcomes and did so anyway, according to their interests.
The challenge is to change the system. The Democrat party is down, now is the time to take it out. Someone quoted Lenin et al. on the necessity of that act: get rid of the oppressors completely or they’ll be back to oppress you again. The Thais made that mistake in 1932. We need to learn from history, but what we really, really need to do is to realize that we’re the only ones here with our interests at heart, and if we don’t see that they are met others will see that theirs are instead … and the present construct is a zero-sum game.
I do agree though that Trump will turn the screws tighter and, perhaps, hasten our realization … but so would Hillary have done. The real actors behind them are the same. Hillary was with the neo-con ‘conquistadors’. Trump, some of us have convinced or are trying to convince ourselves think that Trump is not. Wait and see. That’s all we can do.
Work for structural change in any case. In the best circumstance we’re still in terrible shape. What’s b’s title? Next steps: Wipe out the Democratic Party, Oppose Trump? I ‘fixed it for him’.

Posted by: jfl | Nov 13 2016 9:48 utc | 193

@191 circe … sorry.

Posted by: jfl | Nov 13 2016 9:48 utc | 194

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 12, 2016 8:46:30 PM | 189
The move that spun my hat was reading that someone dumped 10 BILLION of gold onto the market and drove the price down significantly…..why?
The answer seems quite simple.
The crazy bitch from hell is gone.
And with her the chance of WW3.

Posted by: From The Hague | Nov 13 2016 12:06 utc | 195

@Circe
I think the negativity against Trump is premature and much of it is trumped-up (pun intended). It seems part of an effort to are whip people into a frenzy. Southfront calls it another Maidan: a color revolution in USA.
That seems plausible to me because the asshats behind Hillary will do anything to win. To wit:

>> The protests across the USA are organized. Democratic Party leaders have not spoken out against the protests – which have turned violent at times. IMO these protests have two objectives:

1. Distract from Democratic Party failings;
2. Create a crisis atmosphere to influence Presidential electors.
The President will actually be elected on Dec. 19.
One faithless Trump elector has already publicly announced that they will not vote for Trump. One can imagine that others are being pressured to do the same – for the good of the country.

>> Hillary now claims that the election was essentially stolen by Comey who has been accused of being part of the “vast right wing conspiracy”.
>> Hillary’s winning of the popular vote is being pushed hard and spun into more than it really is.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 13 2016 16:37 utc | 196

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 13, 2016 11:37:02 AM | 196
The logical consequence of the vote differences in US states would be devolution, something like Scotland threatening to exit BREXIT.

Posted by: somebody | Nov 13 2016 18:35 utc | 197

@196 Jackrabbit
I can see you’re still in denial, or you’re just fine with who Trump really is therefore it doesn’t matter to you that he’ll be an agent of the Zio-neocon establishment. Trump has surrounded himself with the wrong people and I look to that as a strong indicator of things to come. Trump has said things that make me believe he’s into suppression of minorities who usually lean to the Left. The Left of the Democratic Party and Leftist Independents lean towards non-interventionist foreign policy and are in general opposed to government spying on Americans (ergo the FBI tried to influence the result to preserve and enhance its operations). These minorities that I pointed out are a growing demographic and their political influence is a threat to the Zio-neocon establishment and their agenda.
I’m convinced the Zio-neocon establishment have their man once again. They tried to use Obama to rally the Left-leaning masses to the Zio-neocon agenda, but it didn’t work. There are indications that the Left is becoming more opposed to foreign interventionism. So Trump is the necessary correction, what they need to suppress this growing minority bloc, and ironically, in consequence, he is what the people need to grow a movement that will oppose the Zio-neocon agenda, because already the suppression he has alluded to is inflaming people and rallying them to protest.
Another sign he is the Zio-neocon or shadow government’s man is that Trump has promised to expand the military two-fold. Trump has already hinted he will operate with a heavy hand by indiscriminately siding with the police, and empowering individuals like Arpaio, and the FBI have also proven their loyalty to his police state ambitions, since they came to his rescue. Trump is also bringing back torture. All these are the tools of a police state and indicators that Trump will use police state tactics to correct the threat to the Zio-neocon establishment or shadow government.
So already the people he has surrounded himself with and his allusions to suppression, and his plans to enhance the tools of fascism together with his lack of transparency are strong indicators that he will be govern like an uber Zio-neocon. He’ll be more like Cheney and less like Bush.
He’s the man they needed to neutralize the threat emerging from the Left, and Netanyahu is an expert on Left suppression as Zionist leaders in Israel have successfully managed to suppress the Left almost to the point where it’s non-existent. Israel is a country that is entirely right of center and the ultra right is emerging as the most powerful demographic. Therefore we can expect Netanyahu and his circle to be influencing Trump in a big way on steering the country to the right, and even hard right, and creating a more favorable and less threatening climate for Neo-conservatism which is really the first-line of defense for Zionism.

Posted by: Circe | Nov 13 2016 18:56 utc | 198

RE: psychohistorian | Nov 12, 2016 8:46:30 PM | 189
Disagree. The banksters control and own the world because they can create unlimited amounts of fiat currencies, i.e. “legal tender”. Gold and silver, which cannot be created with the printing press or by typing more zeros on a keyboard, which have intrinsic value and have historically been used as real money, are anathema to the dollar, euro, yen, rupee, and all other fiat currencies. Precious metal prices cannot be allowed to illustrate the declining value of fiat, as it is generated in exponential quantities to cover crashing derivatives and failing economies.
The system is coming apart and this fraud will not stand much longer.

Posted by: Perimetr | Nov 13 2016 18:58 utc | 199

To “rufus magister”:
Unless you learn to discuss issues without insulting other people I will block and/or delete your comments.

Posted by: b | Nov 13 2016 20:23 utc | 200