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October 28, 2016

"Top Five Clinton Donors Are Jewish" - How Anti-Semitic Is This Fact?

Top five Clinton donors Are Jewish, campaign tally shows.

Something is wrong with the above statement. Isn't it anti-semitic? Did Trump say that? Readers of that statement may assume, somewhat reasonably, that there is a club of rich Jewish people controlling the Clinton campaign and, maybe, Clinton herself. That sounds like it was taken from the fake Protocols of the Elders of Zion. It clearly must be anti-semitic.

It is also true.

Facts have no bias. They can't be anti-semitic (or can they?). But while facts as such can not have a racial-religious bias, openly stating them surely can. Thus the above statement is anti-semitic. The fact itself isn't bad, reporting it publicly is bad, bad, bad.

Who but an alt-right rag would report such at all? And for what purpose if not for spreading anti-semitism?

Well - quot licet jovi, ...

Jewish papers are of course allowed to report such a fact. That isn't anti-semitic. It is solely to brag about Jewish powers. Within the club that is not only allowed, but welcome. Thus Haaretz writes (sourced to the the Jewish Telegraph Agency) under the identity defining headline at the top of this post:

Haim Saban, George Soros and others stand at the head of a list of wealthy donors who contributed mainly via super PACs.

The Washington Post analysis, posted October 24, named the top donors, who are contributing $1 of every $17 of the over $1 billion amassed for the Democratic nominee’s presidential run.

They are Donald Sussman, a hedge fund manager; J.B. Pritzker, a venture capitalist, and his wife, M.K.; Haim Saban, the Israeli-American entertainment mogul, and his wife, Cheryl; George Soros, another hedge funder and a major backer of liberal causes, and Daniel Abraham, a backer of liberal pro-Israel causes and the founder of SlimFast.

Many of the big Clinton campaign donors also give to the Clinton Foundation which at times is a washing machine to put money into the Clinton's private accounts. It is kind of difficult to understand where Clinton Inc begins and where it ends. Campaign funds, Clinton foundation, speech fees, private accounts - does it even matter? Surely those who pay, to whatever Clinton entity, expect a service in return. Given the Clinton's occupations as Senator, Secretary of State and President the ask in return is unlikely to be commercial. It will be political.

And here is why it matters that the five top donors to Clinton's campaign are Jewish, and all big supporters of Israel. (Haim Saban: "I'm a one-issue guy, and my issue is Israel.") They surely will ask for political favors in the interest of the Zionist entity. This is also the reason why Haaretz, an Israeli paper, finds the strong racial-religious bias at the top Clinton campaign tally newsworthy. Big money paid to a Clinton entity can directly effect U.S. policies towards Israel. It buys its acquiescence to Israeli escapades even when those are not consistent U.S. interests.

Clinton's positions towards Syria, Iran and Russia (which limits Israel's freedom of action) are surely not independent of Israeli interests.

But that is of course, anti-semitic speculation ...

Posted by b on October 28, 2016 at 15:16 UTC | Permalink

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Boy,one can pick out the zionists here very easily from the comments.
Trump and America First are anathema to zion,and zion,through their corrupt antidemocratic media are trying to install their whore,HRC in office.
But the FBI has other plans.
I was reading the comments re Comey in the NYTs;The pos crud demoncrats are acting like newly found cheater spouses,denying the obvious fact that she is the most corrupt venal f*ckup in American history.They must have found that her story that all the emails she deleted were in fact classified,and found on Wieners computer.She lied again.
And Trump was winning,and will win the POTUS,and America will purge the zionists from our government.Hallelujah!
And,yeah us Wasps are proud.
And no,Jewish finance has destroyed America,as the Wasp financiers of yesterday were American patriots,interested in the welfare of our people,not foreign scum.

Posted by: dahoit | Oct 29 2016 14:55 utc | 101

A bit OT, but, worth saying...

To paraphrase an old quote from Malcolm X....

The rulers of America are crafty, to get the sheep to run towards a fox (HRC), you must create a wolf(Trump).

Bingo!, the 2016 election.

Posted by: ben | Oct 29 2016 15:10 utc | 102

Killing the Jews like Hitler

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 29, 2016 1:51:04 AM | 90

You seem obsessed with interpreting any criticism of Judaic or Zionist hypocrisy, however mild, as "Killing the Jews".

You're like a parody of what Atzmon was identifying when he came up with "Pre-traumatic Stress Disorder"
http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/pre-traumatic-stress-disorder-pre-traumatic-stress-disorder.html

Perhaps you and the ex-chief Rabbi of the UK, Jonathan Sacks, who says "I have never experienced Anti-Semitism" but seems equally obsessed with accusing everyone of it, should team up?

Posted by: Killary PAC | Oct 29 2016 15:15 utc | 103

b. you are stupid and I am polite here. Trump's son in law is Jewish, his daughter converted to marry and Netanyahu would prefer him very much to Democrats who believe in inclusiveness and anti-racism, at least officially. Not to mention other Trump backers like Sheldon Adelson. As a matter of fact Christian Evangelical's are very, very pro Israel and it is not because they like Jewish people but because they believe in Armageddon
"While only 36 percent of all Americans believe that the Bible is God's Word and should be taken literally, 59 percent say they believe that events predicted in the Book of Revelation will come to pass. Almost one out of four Americans believes that 9/11 was predicted in the Bible, and nearly one in five believes that he or she will live long enough to see the end of the world. Even more significant for this study, over one-third of those Americans who support Israel report that they do so because they believe the Bible teaches that the Jews must possess their own country in the Holy Land before Jesus can return."
59 percent ... Let's face it Americans are as fundamentalist as Saudis or Iranians.
To explain to American readers how unusual this seems to Germans, even religious people here don't take the bible literally and belief in stuff like evolution is non debatable, schools teach it as scientific fact.
The only major US politician who tried to widen the discourse to allow the Palestinan and Jewish dissent point of view has been Bernie Sanders and he is Jewish.

Posted by: somebody | Oct 29 2016 15:30 utc | 104

Ron obviously believes ‘the fix is in’, with either Killary crowning herself, or it being indifferent who is President. They might as well hire an actor and use holograms when he/she wants to yacht around the Med or sportily kill non-humans in Africa. Allright. Come to think of it, my long held o-pinion is that Obama had a career choice: B-grade actor or Secretary to the Dean. Michelle would have preffered the latter?

Ron’s knowledge or state-of-mind is held private by him, some psychiatrists have fancy terms for that.

The relationship between Isra-ell and the US - setting religion and history aside, which one probably shouldn’t do.. to boil it down to a caricature - we see a bunch of grafters and grifters in bed together, a symbiotic relationship that is exploitative on both ends. The tail wags the dog, the dog wags the tail, and so on. The various PTB give each other huge sums and shady deals - arms, energy, funding etc. - then they are hooked. The US entertains such relationships with KSA and Qatar, supposedly enemies of Isr. It has also ‘instrumentalised’ ‘radical islam’ in Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, etc. (Duh.)

To maintain a global, Mafia type functioning, one needs to hold aggressive, coercitive power, dominating *multiple* entities: Nations, rogue and splinter groups, Int’l bodies, the finance sector, foreign armies, Heads of state, etc.

Some cracks are showing.


Posted by: Noirette | Oct 29 2016 15:57 utc | 105

@somebody:

b. you are stupid and I am polite here.

Trump is pro-American, not anti-Jewish.

Trump's nationalism is counter to neolibcon/globalist empire-building/Zionist interests because they want to use US power for their own interests.

With this understanding it is easy to see your comments wrt US Christians as a clever smokescreen of blame-the-victim redirection.

That you would insult b as part of this silly tirade is just laughable dumbfuckery.

somebody ==> nobody

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 29 2016 16:06 utc | 106

@ pantaraxia

I believe (having attended some small ones) that Shabbat dinners are where the "art" of bullying is learned and practiced. Bullying is a learned defense mechanism by hurt people. Do some of the Jews justify their aggressive bullying with their religion? Of course. But their religion, like all the rest, are myths and not reality in our lives like private finance and unfettered inheritance. And using them in arguments about human reality is where the bullying comes in. The myth of capitalism is another such tool used by those arguing connection to current human reality by their models.

Private finance and unfetter inheritance are not religions. they are reality. A reality that cannot be defended by any religion I know....except the God of Mammon. Maybe it is time we have a discussion about whether our current reality of private finance and unfetter inheritance should be a religion that all adhere to. I posit that if described clearly and put up for a vote, the God of Mammon religion would fail....as it should.

I want to help folks see through the fog about the basic tenets of our form of social organization so that they may choose to change it to something better...or at least get rid of the evil of private finance/inheritance and try something else.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 29 2016 16:06 utc | 107

I want to help folks see through the fog about the basic tenets of our form of social organization so that they may choose to change it to something better

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 29, 2016 12:06:43 PM | 108

And you do that by simply inventing things and then claiming someone said them, while you then go on a rant against them?

How's that working out for you?

Posted by: Killary PAC | Oct 29 2016 16:11 utc | 108

Trump's nationalism is counter to neolibcon/globalist empire-building/Zionist interests because they want to use US power for their own interests.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 29, 2016 12:06:11 PM | 107

Irrespective of the merit/lack of merit of your target's arguments, it remains a fact that Trump's largest financial backer is Sheldon Adelson.

If there is one thing Sheldon Adelson could not be described as, it's a "counter to Zionist interests" -
See: Israel-Firster Sheldon Adelson regrets serving in U.S. instead of Israeli military

Posted by: Killary PAC | Oct 29 2016 16:18 utc | 109

When Clinton says she will take U.S.-Israel relations to a "new level" what does that mean? A war with Iran?

Posted by: Edward | Oct 29 2016 16:23 utc | 110

@94 jen.. thanks.. i didn't realize it was the same jen as over at kremlin stooge! say hi to mark for me and hope all is well at the ks!

@107 jackrabbit.. i think somebody @105 is saying all that in a friendly way to b, but i can't always be mistaken! i seem to recall that somebody is also german. it is hard to intuit the thoughts and motives of posters sometimes.

Posted by: james | Oct 29 2016 16:28 utc | 111

'i can', as opposed to 'i can't'.. i need to proof read my posts regularly before hitting the post button..

Posted by: james | Oct 29 2016 16:29 utc | 112


Gilad Atzmon remarks:

“If [the ADL’s] Greenblatt was genuinely concerned with defamation and the safety of American Jews he should have lobbied the herd of Jewish international bankers to remove themselves from American politics.

But for Greenblatt and others within his tribal milieu, Jewish power is the power to silence the very discussion of Jewish power!”

Posted by: anon | Oct 29 2016 16:33 utc | 113

@107 jackrabbit.. i think somebody @105 is saying all that in a friendly way to b, but i can't always be mistaken! i seem to recall that somebody is also german. it is hard to intuit the thoughts and motives of posters sometimes.

Posted by: james | Oct 29, 2016 12:28:33 PM | 112

Not at all convinced by your interpretation of his intentions nor "tone" - after all he managed to write several hundred words in his comment about religious fundamentalism, even saying

    "Let's face it Americans" [he means only Christian Americans here] "are as fundamentalist as Saudis or Iranians".

    Posted by: somebody | Oct 29, 2016 11:30:29 AM | 105

without even once addressing Judaic-fundamentalism .

And all this after being informed that the top 10 political donations, across the political spectrum, contributions to both Dems and Repugs, come from very very rich Jewish people, all of whom are probably strongly Zionist.

That's some bit of sophistry right there.

Posted by: Killary PAC | Oct 29 2016 16:39 utc | 114

jr @ 107

Trump is pro-American, not anti-Jewish.

Trump's nationalism is counter to neolibcon/globalist empire-building/Zionist interests because they want to use US power for their own interests.

Actually, other then people managing Trump's transition/appointments, nobody knows that... it's a complete guess. Looking at who has been managing/advising his transition team, this immovable non-partisan (both parties the same) unquestioned cow-towing to hardline Likud will be every bit as thorough as with Hillary... maybe more so.

Just like with GWB, the people making the decisions in no way resemble public face of the candidate entertaining the electorate.

Posted by: jdmckay | Oct 29 2016 16:44 utc | 115

It’s not hard to understand why so many Republicans back Hillary. After all, she did stand on the floor of the senate in 2002 and 2003 repeating every Bush & Cheney lie about Iraq and WMDs in order to drum up Democratic Party support for the illegal invasion and occupation of that country.

Hillary Clinton: George W. Bush's Head Cheerleader for the Iraq War:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax37YjymKAM


No, she didn’t just vote for it, she pushed other dems to vote for it, then bragged about the “business opportunity” they created in Iraq as a result.

“It's time for the United States to start thinking of Iraq as a business opportunity”, Hillary Clinton, 2011.

Posted by: anon | Oct 29 2016 17:14 utc | 116


someone else is using "anon" with 2 recent comments concerning the Zika virus, so I'll change to a different username if I continue posting here

Posted by: anon | Oct 29 2016 17:42 utc | 117

Notice: Hillary Clinton Rally today at John H. Dickerson Community Center
308 Martin Luther King Boulevard, Daytona Beach, FL.

This is a small venue. I had never heard of it before. It is located in an historically black neighborhood.

There are many large places to hold a rally in Daytona Beach. For example, Trump filled the 10,000 seat Ocean Center. They had to turn people away. No more could fit.

There is a beautiful auditorium on the Mary McLeod Bethune Cookman College Campus which is much more conveniently located, more accessible and brightly lit.

I attended a play which was filled to capacity at this BCC auditorium. It is a large and attractive venue. It was built just a few years ago.

The Dickerson Center (a refurbished old school) surely pales in comparison.

But Hillary is so unpopular, that she cannot fill any large auditorium. She must use stealth to fool people into believing the ridiculous polls.

She simply cannot draw a crowd. Perhaps if she tied a pork chop around her neck, she could get a dog to play with her.

Posted by: fastfreddy | Oct 29 2016 18:13 utc | 118

From where do you get the idea that the protocols are fake? They have been proven by every last thing the talmudists do.

Posted by: Tony B. | Oct 29 2016 18:18 utc | 119

29 October 2016 18:29
Saudi Arabia Evacuates Over Half of Rural Areas Along Border with Yemen
http://en.alalam.ir/news/1878853

Posted by: schlub | Oct 29 2016 18:30 utc | 120

Hima Abedin suspicious Hillary's "Islamist" advisor


"Huma Abedin was born in 1976 in Kalamazoo, Michigan. Her father, Syed Abedin (1928-1993), was an Indian-born scholar who in the early 1970s had been affiliated with the Muslim Students Association at Western Michigan University.

Huma's mother, Saleha Mahmood Abedin, is a sociologist known for her strong advocacy of Sharia Law. A member of the Muslim Sisterhood (i.e., the Muslim Brotherhood's division for women), Saleha is also a board member of the International Islamic Council for Dawa and Relief. This pro-Hamas entity is part of the Union of Good, which the U.S. government has formally designated as an international terrorist organization led by the Muslim Brotherhood luminary Yusuf al-Qaradawi.

When Huma was two, the Abedin family relocated from Michigan to Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. "

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2556

Posted by: virgile | Oct 29 2016 19:01 utc | 121

You've heard Putin's latest Valdai speech from couple days ago? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWKtoSza8lM

Posted by: Penelope | Oct 29 2016 19:02 utc | 122

This video outlines the ties between Huma Abedin, Killary’s ‘second daughter’ and various pro-radical-islamic (> muslim brotherhood) ties. Afaik 90% or so of the facts reported are correct - easily verifiable. What that all means exactly is another question. The language is hyped up, not great. 8 mins.

FWIW.

https://youtu.be/nKt2zaOrxD8

Posted by: Noirette | Oct 29 2016 19:12 utc | 123

Virgile @ 122

Author of your article, Walid Shoebat, is a fraud.

Posted by: jdmckay | Oct 29 2016 19:23 utc | 124

I was unaware that Huma Abedin was/is still married to Anthony Weiner - a guy I previously only heard of in relation to his 'sexting' habits and subsequent resignation as Congressman and whom I had dismissed as a flake. He came up through Charles Schumer's organization. Now these two, Weiner and Abedin, seem emblematic of the Israeli-Saudi/Zionist-Wahabi amalgamation.

Hillary just seems unconscious at this point, putting whomever is nominated by her financial backers into 'her' organization at whatever position is specified by her backers. Her specialty seems to be fronting for her backers and surviving the damage these people do, keeping them in the game and in charge, no matter what. What a very strange, perverse organization is the Demoblican Party.

Posted by: jfl | Oct 29 2016 20:25 utc | 125

@106 Noirette

Who's Ron?

Posted by: jfl | Oct 29 2016 20:28 utc | 126

b: "And here is why it matters that the five top donors to Clinton's campaign are Jewish, and all big supporters of Israel."

I would have written that sentence thusly: "And here is why it matters: those five top Jewish donors are all iJews -- they support Israel."

The problem we have is not Jews, it is iJews, and that distinction always has to be made or you get pounded for "anti-semitism." Happens every time. "iJews" is the way around it -- the simple way to avoid the noxious generalization.

BTW, if you want to see the Jews/iJews distinction in action, it was the iJews w/in Hilton's who sunk Bernie's boat.

The DNC's take-down of Bernie: Noxious iJews controlling the American political dialogue

Posted by: Denis | Oct 29 2016 20:46 utc | 127

It is kind of difficult to understand where Clinton Inc begins and where it ends.

Clinton Inc. won't end until the Clintons do!

Posted by: Seamus Padraig | Oct 29 2016 20:51 utc | 128

A community defends its people, it's perfectly normal. The problem comes when they are too successful.

Posted by: Laguerre | Oct 29 2016 22:14 utc | 129

? Is this the death that begets the great unraveling?

Interesting video claims a number of US Generals and Admirals asked Trump to run for Chief Executive. Also mentions that 80% of Muslims invading Europe are single males not families with children as portrayed Unipress.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAn3qsfhKPg

US Air Force General promoted then commits suicide

http://www.militarycorruption.com/tinsley3.htm

US military axiom - APPARENTLY THE FECAL MATTER IS ABOUT TO COME IN DIRECT WITH THE ROTARY OSCILLATOR`

Posted by: ALberto | Oct 29 2016 22:47 utc | 130

A community defends its people, it's perfectly normal. The problem comes when they are too successful.

Posted by: Laguerre | Oct 29, 2016 6:14:10 PM | 130

They don't just "defend their people" - they attack everybody else's people, all the time. Anyone else that might even think about doing the same, or might object to that behaviour, or might suggest that it should be curtailed in the interest of the rest of society,is attacked incessantly from all angles.

Even people that merely dare to notice or remark upon it are attacked - that's not merely "perfectly normal" behaviour - that's completely sociopathic behaviour at an absolute minimum.

    sociopath - [soh-see-uh-path, soh-shee-]

    noun, Psychiatry.
    1. a person with a psychopathic personality whose behaviour is antisocial, often criminal, and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.

You can attempt to just dismiss that as "perfectly normal", if you want, but if no one else does it or more importantly if no one else is allowed to do it, then it's anything but "perfectly normal".

It then becomes "exceptional" i.e. "no one can do that except us"

"Exceptional" is the opposite of "perfectly normal" in this instance, imo

And "Too successful"? - that just seems like a mealy-mouthed euphemism one might use instead of having the honesty to openly admit that they lie and cheat, all the time.

Posted by: Killary PAC | Oct 29 2016 23:01 utc | 131

why the hate people get out and work and build.
@m.golani 81

There is good reason the Islamic faith forbids usury. The US constitution was written against financial slavery. Monetising the success / discovery / initiative / invention of others is not what you would term 'work and build'.... more like opportunism, at very best.

Lessons have been learnt throughout time, and will be learnt again.

Other than that, I find your post quite humourous.

Posted by: MadMax2 | Oct 29 2016 23:04 utc | 132

@Laguerre

The problem comes when they are too successful.

>> I think the concern is NOT with success but with collusion and control.

A community defends its people, it's perfectly normal.
>> You are conflating the Jewish community with the Zionist cult. Zionists love to do the same: thus they paint criticism of Israel as "anti-semetism".

>> The Zionists prey on Jews first and foremost. Like oligarchs everywhere they collude against their own people.

>> How can a cult of victimization be thwarted? Even mild criticism is hyped into an existential threat.

<> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <>

Neocon exceptionalism and Zionist victimization are "self-licking ice-cream cones" that promote/reinforce the notion of moral superiority which then excuses "whatever it takes" actions.

Why do people fall for this bullshit? Oligarchs and their political lackeys tell us that we NEED them to run things. But do we really? Worldwide communications and pervasive computing argue create a real possibility - for the first time in human history - that we do NOT.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 29 2016 23:15 utc | 133

Also mentions that 80% of Muslims invading Europe are single males not families with children as portrayed Unipress.
Well understood that males go ahead to organise the arrival of their families. Why bother mentioning it? I was next to a Kurd from Afrin in a plane to Istanbul in Oct last year, who was doing precisely that. The family to be rounded up, now that he was established in Germany.

Posted by: Laguerre | Oct 29 2016 23:23 utc | 134

Soon, you will be calling them kykes.

Posted by: Tim808 | Oct 29 2016 23:35 utc | 135

followup to 134:

Prate Party Likely to Win Big in Iceland's Parliamentary Elections

The Private Party promotes direct democracy. A fresh take on "throw the bums out!"

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 29 2016 23:39 utc | 136

Thanks, b, for covering the reopening of investigation by Comey. I would guess he's doing it to control the dialog about the content of all those e-mails. I spose he'll just raise some boring detail like Abedin's few emails on hubby Weiner's phone, then close it down "Nothing to see here." That way lots of people'll think that's all there was.

Few days ago at Valdai Putin said "We have to turn globalism for the elite into globalism for us all." But I know that people will rationalize it. They'll say he's just referring to international cuisine.
Saludos!

Posted by: Penelope | Oct 29 2016 23:49 utc | 137

Soon, you will be calling them kykes.
Oh, we've managed to catch a hasbarist! Did he wander in here by mistake?

Posted by: Laguerre | Oct 30 2016 0:01 utc | 138

@JR 137
It is some evolution in a short space in time - not even 10 years after a proper hijacking, Iceland is on the edge of something truly great.

Funny how people are unnerved when an angry mob comes knocking the door. No one is holier than thou

The mobs came, but Iceland dealt with it all quite civilly... compared to what governance in the rest of the west now potentially faces. The longer the people lose their voice, the higher the chance of the guillotines being rolled out.

"...well, its a no-win scenario until basically the elites figure out at the end of the day, as i like to say to my American hedge fund friends... 'the Hamptons is not a defensible position.' The Hamptons is a very rich area on Long Island that lies on low lying beaches. Very hard to defend a low lying beach. Eventually people are going to come for you."
~ Mark Blyth, June 2016 (Austerity: The History of a Dangerous Idea)

Posted by: MadMax2 | Oct 30 2016 0:35 utc | 139


Podesta email from Wikileaks #1637

This email contains a lot of talk about how superior Jews are, as well as sections that suggest the writer has environmentalist politics, and- most notably- a huge amount of hatred for ethnic Germans and Schadenfreude at their misfortune.

Indeed, it begins:

“What’s the difference between a German and a shopping cart? A shopping cart has got a mind of its own”

“One group of people has long outperformed all other Earthlings by such a bizarrely wide margin that it singlehandedly smashes this all-folks-are-equal myth into millions of smithereens. Jews – who account for just 0.2% of the global population or just 13.4 million”

David Brooks of the New York Times writes:

“Embassy, grabs the Ambassador by the lapels and yells, “You’ve got to help me escape!” “Calm down,” replies the diplomat. “Here’s a map of Europe. Just pick any European country without a sizeable Muslim population, and I’ll make sure you can go there.” The Jew turns the map around and back, studying it from close by and from afar, finally asking the Ambassador, “Would you have another map for me?”

Obviously this is a far cry from what we hear publicly.

https://www.wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/1637

Posted by: Fontana (was anon) | Oct 30 2016 0:42 utc | 140


Jewish activist promotes “Open Borders, multicultural mode” for Europa, but not for Israel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jl-OJJVAEg

Posted by: Fontana (was anon) | Oct 30 2016 1:04 utc | 141

Someone upthread commented that MoA appears free of Hasbara influence because we don't see much of the israel first lies and distortions about all muslims being terrorists with a genocidal intent etc.
While its true we don't see much of that at MoA any more it did surface in the early days of the Whiskey Bar and MoA, but it was spectacularly unsuccessful on a blog where many posters have pertinent facts about zionist atrocities against Palestinians at their fingertips.
Hasbara runs those riffs on big msm forums where they are more likely to successfully disrupt discussion.
We shouldn't take that as an indication that Hasbara doesn't operate here though.
I have long believed that Hasbara is the hidden hand behind some of the racist judeophobic posters who frequently post egregiously racist remarks about Jews in here.
It used to be simple and easily disprovable holocaust denying stuff, but now it is more subtle but no less useful when something raised at MoA 'leaks' into the mainstream. In no time at all MoA and anything said here can be discredited by links to these posts.
Of course not all of the ignorantly racist posts are made by hasbara operatives some are made by genuinely moronic dingbats who are incapable of recognising that their continual parade of prejudice is playing directly into the hands of those they claim to oppose.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Oct 30 2016 1:19 utc | 142


The topic of Western Europe’s full-on descent into anarchy is written about extensively and in blunt detail in WikiLeaks Podesta Email ID #295

Here's just one brief excerpt and this will be my last WikiLeaks Podesta Email. Anyone can search WikiLeaks Podesta emails on their own, and draw their own conclusions.

“The German police admits that large immigrant areas of Berlin, Hamburg, the Ruhr Area, etc. have become police no-go areas, where criminals and extremists have free reign. Within no time at all, a lone police patrol car making a foray into Germany’s ethnic war zones finds itself surrounded by a baying lynch mob, much like US soldiers in Baghdad at the height of the troubles, added Roman Reusch.”

Of course, this is the exact opposite of what the Media is telling everyone, which is why the media has been covering up the WikiLeaks Podesta emails.


https://www.wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/295

Posted by: Fontana | Oct 30 2016 1:21 utc | 143

@128 Denis

I'd stick to Zionists and leave the Jews out of it. Some of the most rabid Zionists are Xtians. Israel is just a tiny version of the racist USA settler-colony gone imperial, and that fact is not lost on the largest beneficiaries at either end of the stick.

It is true, perhaps, that most Zionists are Jews. And predatory business men and women have a lot in common with the Founding Fathers' of either country's philosophy, and so are natural supporters of their 'native' settler-imperial state. Wait ... maybe I should have said 'ethnic' or 'spiritual' settler-imperial state? I imagine that of KillaryPAC's (WaPo's) Top 10 contributors to the Super PAC's campaign for POTUS, 2016, the top ten contributors to the War Party, most are native Americans. But I don't know that. And for the Jews among them - all of them? - dual-citizenship is theirs for the asking.

I also wonder how many of the Top 50 contributors to the Super PAC's campaign for POTUS, 2016 are Zionists? Interesting to note that the top 50 'donated' 38% of the $1.1 billion raised by PACs for the election, and that the top 10 ponied up nearly 20% (18.7) the total. Like political power in our settler-colonies gone imperial, the concentration of 'wealth' therein is fractal, it's geometric no matter the scale under scrutiny. So much of the financial power on which political power depends (or is the other way round? Chicken-egg?) is in the hands of so few to be pissed away - 'necessarily' from the pissers' points of view - on such destructive projects.

Posted by: jfl | Oct 30 2016 1:23 utc | 144

THIS is one of the very best (and not racist, but fearlessly philosophical) about the Jewish power issue - hope some read it because it is **very** good, imo, at just laying out some double standards:

https://zombiemeditations.com/2016/04/28/calling-for-alliance/

Look, Jewish people have so much power that the neocon minority has enough power to essentially control foreign policy as to the middle east.

Look into the Office of Special plans... likudnik Zionist Jews set up their own intelligence office to fabricate evidence. To have opposed it would have been 'hate'

Posted by: mike k. | Oct 30 2016 1:29 utc | 145

Fontana (was anon) @ 141

> https://www.wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/1637

Weird... sender is: orca100@upcmail.nl (Netherlands)

Recipients: sbrown@politico.eu, cwinneker@politico.eu, jplucinska@politico.eu,
bsurk@politico.eu, jbarigazzi@politico.eu, ehananoki@mediamatters.org,
pdallison@politico.eu, abernath@law.georgetown.edu,
podesta@law.georgetown.edu, tyler.kingkade@huffingtonpost.com,
antonia.blumberg@huffingtonpost.com, roy.sekoff@gmail.com,
whitney@huffingtonpost.com, stuart@huffingtonpost.com,
maygers@huffingtonpost.com, david@huffingtonpost.com,
cindy.vanegas@huffingtonpost.com, louise.ridley@huffingtonpost.com,
aubrey.allegretti@huffingtonpost.com, eamonn@helprefugees.org.uk,
nharvey@doctorsoftheworld.org.uk, kate.sheppard@huffingtonpost.com,
igor.bobic@huffingtonpost.com, stephen.hull@huffingtonpost.com

Curious to know who that sender is. Searching wikileaks for that email address doesn't turn up any others.

Posted by: jdmckay | Oct 30 2016 1:30 utc | 146

A few words from a Bernie delegate. Worth hearing I think. It's brief. https://21wire.tv/2016/10/26/exclusive-ex-bernie-delegate-reveals-why-he-fled-democratic-party-for-the-greens/

Posted by: Penelope | Oct 30 2016 1:30 utc | 147

Fontana @ 144

This is same (masked) sender as previous. Sent to Podesta's Georgetown email, looks to be automatically forwarded to his gmail.

Looks like its spam. From (raw) header:

> X-Microsoft-Exchange-Diagnostics-untrusted
> spf=fail (sender IP is 141.161.191.75)

and that IP address was blacklisted (automatic spam)

> Received-SPF: Fail (protection.outlook.com: domain of law.georgetown.edu does
not designate 141.161.191.75 as permitted sender)

Posted by: jdmckay | Oct 30 2016 1:46 utc | 148

Laguerre @135
" I was next to a Kurd from Afrin in a plane to Istanbul in Oct last year, who was doing precisely that. The family to be rounded up, now that he was established in Germany."


According to IOM and UNHCR estimates, around one million migrants and refugees arrived in Europe till 21 December 2015, three to four times more than in 2014.

You sample one person out of millions and determine that 100% are families with dependents.

Where have I seen this math before?

Posted by: ALberto | Oct 30 2016 1:54 utc | 149

@ Fontana

I read the Podesta email you linked to in comment #141 and have a few observations.

1. If you accept that IQ or "Western" social contributions are measures of being better humans you are expressing the hubris of religions that say they and their way is The Way.....the Cosmos may have other ideas.

2. Maybe Podesta never got the memo that there is no basis in science for race...we are ALL an amalgam of thousands of years of interbreeding.

3. As a follow on to #2, I wonder what would have happened if all humanity developed on a level playing field in terms of nutrition, education, stable development environment, etc.....Podesta's deprecation of the Roma and Muslims sounds to me like a very sick view of humanity...racist is an understatement.

4. If the Jews are so smart then why is the world creating nuclear effluent that hundreds, if not thousands, of future generations of humanity are going to have to manage or die...this period of time represents way more than we have been around in semi-sentient form.

5. Science currently admits that we know some things about 5% of whatever the Cosmos is made of and are almost clueless about the other 95%. Podesta seems to say we are led by the Jews that allowed and support #4 above and seemingly extends that disrespect to our planet and the rest of its inhabitants....and they should be the future of humanity....does Jewish Intelligence equate to Cosmological stupidity or just ignorance?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 30 2016 1:55 utc | 150

@ jdmckay #148

While it's possible that orca001 might just be an anonymous emailer who Podesta did not know, as it seems you would like to believe, I don't share your faith in the goodness or good intentions of our ruling elites, and I'm not inclined to give them the benefit of doubt, so this seems unlikely to me.

It seems more likely that orca001 is some kind of long-term acquaintance or colleague of Podesta’s, possibly through the Georgetown School of Law

Posted by: Fontana | Oct 30 2016 2:21 utc | 151


"The powers that be, with their pitiful falsified information that misleads them almost as much as it bewilders those under their administration...

"...When the smoke clears, many things appear changed. An age has passed.

Don’t ask now what good our weapons were: they remain in the throat of the reigning system of lies. Its air of innocence will never return."

Guy Debord (In girum imus nocte et consumimur igni)

Posted by: Fontana | Oct 30 2016 2:40 utc | 152

@127 jfl... see @5 for your answer.

@139 laguerre.. ditto your comment!

@145 jfl.. i agree with your opening viewpoint to denis.

@146 jdmckay..all those @huffingtonpost.com e mail addresses... i always thought huffington post was full of shite.. now i see part of the reason why! i don't understand why anyone would bother with that site unless they wanted their brain washed..

Posted by: james | Oct 30 2016 2:48 utc | 153

Jewish activist promotes “Open Borders, multicultural mode” for Europa, but not for Israel

This is interesting, although I certainly don't agree with everything in it:

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2016/10/the-jewish-origins-of-the-open-borders-movement/

Posted by: RudyM | Oct 30 2016 3:07 utc | 154

Recipients:

sbrown@politico.eu,
cwinneker@politico.eu,
jplucinska@politico.eu,
bsurk@politico.eu,
jbarigazzi@politico.eu,
ehananoki@mediamatters.org,
pdallison@politico.eu,
abernath@law.georgetown.edu,
podesta@law.georgetown.edu,
tyler.kingkade@huffingtonpost.com,
antonia.blumberg@huffingtonpost.com,
roy.sekoff@gmail.com,
whitney@huffingtonpost.com,
stuart@huffingtonpost.com,
maygers@huffingtonpost.com,
david@huffingtonpost.com, many Davids at huffingtonpost.com
cindy.vanegas@huffingtonpost.com,
louise.ridley@huffingtonpost.com,
aubrey.allegretti@huffingtonpost.com,
eamonn@helprefugees.org.uk,
nharvey@doctorsoftheworld.org.uk,
kate.sheppard@huffingtonpost.com,
igor.bobic@huffingtonpost.com,
stephen.hull@huffingtonpost.com

huffingtonpost.com, 13 (counted Roy Sekoff as Huffington Post)
politico.eu, 6
law.georgetown.edu, 2
doctorsoftheworld.org.uk, 1
helprefugees.org.uk, 1
mediamatters.org, 1

Interesting, I suppose. Low level of relevance to anything, but interesting ... like a dog-earred magazine in a doctor's office. This is what the NSA does, right? 'meta-data'? Make up a story from circumstantial 'clues'?

Posted by: jfl | Oct 30 2016 3:26 utc | 155

@142 james @127 me @106 Noirette

Yeah, I'd thought of that ... just couldn't believe it.

Posted by: jfl | Oct 30 2016 3:35 utc | 156

@141, 150

What I found most galling in the Podesta email is his sneering attitude towards European governance. Given the U.S. record, who are we to point fingers at anyone? At least Germany has universal health care and renewable energy. If Merkel is making a hash of fixing the EU's economic problems, she has predecessors with a better record. Podesta likes to rag on the Roma which is interesting, because along with the Jews they were one of the groups targeted by the Nazis for a "final solution". The racism game he plays to argue for the superiority of Jews and inferiority of Muslims can be played in a way he won't like.

Podesta sounds like Donald Trump.

Posted by: Edward | Oct 30 2016 4:07 utc | 157

P @ 123&147: Thanks for the links. :)

Posted by: ben | Oct 30 2016 4:28 utc | 158

Jackrabbit@ 137

"Pirate" Party.......small correction... :)

Posted by: notlurking | Oct 30 2016 12:05 utc | 159

jdmckay, Fontana, jfl

This reddit thread gathers together info/speculation about orca100

https://www.reddit.com/r/RBI/comments/574jz5/who_is_orca100_a_digital_mystery/

Imho one of the commenters there is correct, ppl who have a strong agenda on societal issues will try to get their thoughts across to varied ‘opposing’ groups. They pick up on a bunch of important figures / e mail addys etc and send their screeds off.

a search for / orca100@upcmail.nl / turns up ‘not valid’ (for me - I didn’t try to send a mail)

:) trivia dpt.

Some guy called ORCA100 is grandmaster in on-line poker.

An orca100 has a dating profile. He is 50, white, a chef, and lives in Oregon.

ORCA-100 is some model of camera, thus film, equipment etc.

ORCA-100 is also some mechanical thingie made by Orcajet, Germany

orca 100 = a cloth bag with orcas on it.

A jigsaw puzzle called ORCA that has 100 pieces (sometimes = orca100) by Ravensburger exists.

….I’m at home with a bad cold… ;)

Posted by: Noirette | Oct 30 2016 12:23 utc | 160


WikiLeaks Bombshell: There is no US election:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6hxnL5fxYk

“Obama was pre-selected for the White House by the banksters

The whistleblowing organization also released Barack Obama’s personal emails, showing that President Bush organized his transition to the highest office in the land before the 2008 election.

WikiLeaks couldn’t have made it clearer in a series of tweets on Thursday – the US election for the President of the United States is rigged.

The establishment have selected their President and by hook or crook she will be “elected.”

The most eye catching email in today’s leak contains a message from John Podesta about an invitation from President George W. Bush to the “President-Elect.”

Should that have read “President-Select?” Podesta sent the email to Obama before the election result was known.

But it gets even worse.

The emails show a transition plan was being worked on LONG BEFORE the 2008 election had taken place. According to an attached memo in one of the emails, Obama was already discussing his transition to office with members of the Bush Administration, including then-Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson, prior to the election.

“As you have observed in your interactions with Secretary Paulson, he is apparently eager to involve you and your transition team extensively in his policy choices following the S/election."

Posted by: Fontana | Oct 30 2016 12:28 utc | 161

Posted by: Noirette | Oct 30, 2016 8:23:23 AM | 160

The author of those emails is most likely an american Jew who has been provided with source material by Dutch and Germans.

The author shows no sign of having actually lived in any of the places they talk about (Netherlands and Germany primarily) and seems to obtain all their info from short TV clips uploaded to youtube or mass-media reports which do not link to source statistics but rely instead on argument by authority, quoting heavily from "academics" who very often are misrepresenting the statistics upon which their arguments are based.

It goes without saying that TV programs designed to terrify the lumpen-proles, and "argument by authority" which neglects to link to the actual statistical sources upon which the arguments are based, are hardly representative of the true situation nor good, reliable source material.

The author in fact sounds exactly like Pam Geller, David Horowitz or David Yerushalmi - all 3 are extremist US Jewish race-baiters with a obsession/fixation on Europe and immigration, and stirring up race hate. 2 of those 3 were mentioned numerous times in Breivik's alleged "manifesto".

The style of argument, (TV plus dodgy academics) in fact fit's Pam Geller, David Horowitz or David Yerushalmi to a "T"

Posted by: Killary PAC | Oct 30 2016 13:22 utc | 162

I think most 'alt right' people have nothing to do with racism etc but are aware/concerned about the disproportionate influence Jews as a group have. Not merely because of Israel and such but why should any small minority group, who cares what the particulars are, not only have such outsized power, but also, as PART OF THAT POWER, be able to prevent any discussion?

Thats not done out of any 'fear' except the fear of losing power

http://newobserveronline.com/jews-boast-of-owning-hollywood-but-slam-gentiles-who-say-the-same/
http://www.counter-currents.com/2016/10/the-jewish-question-for-normies/
https://zombiemeditations.com/2016/04/28/calling-for-alliance/

In particular, not only is the issue Jewish $$ in elections (euphemism is 'the jewish vote' - see the google hits for jewish vote vs Catholic vote- 10x as many Catholics, but 'Jewish vote' gets far more hits? Come on) but media power.

And its not just in the US, its in France and Britain and Ukraine and Sweden etc etc

I think the discussion needs to be liberated both from Jewish censorship and bona fide Judeophobic hyperbole/paranoia.


Posted by: florin n. | Oct 30 2016 13:42 utc | 163

The shopping cart and German quote was telling;The Germans can't think for themselves and followed Herr Hitler mindlessly.A hell of a lot of partial German ancestry in America,me and my wife included.
No,the were completely mindful by postjudice of the destruction to German interests by the Jews who ran Germany post ww1.Actions have consequences,right?Israel is hated for its actions,not its existence,but serial liars say otherwise.
Again;The zionists for Trump held a rally for him on a manhole cover in Times Square.

Posted by: dahoit | Oct 30 2016 15:47 utc | 164

The man in the video below confronted the press pen at a Trump Phoenix rally recently shouting...(well, see for yourselves.):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZui5tJuPYk

Is he a LIAR? He may be uncouth; he may even be racist; but is he A LIAR defining the Mainstream media as such?

Obviously, to answer this question one should rely strictly on the facts: Everyone knows by now that AIPAC exercises undue and troubling influence over U.S. policy in the interest of Zionism and troubling influence over lawmakers and politicians (see above my link to Tom Hayden's article "I was Israel's Dupe").

We all recognize the lop-sided coverage the media puts forth regarding Palestinian attacks on Israeli occupiers vs Israeli attacks on Palestinian resistors, but mostly and consistently on Palestinian civilians, and hundreds every year die as a result of Israeli oppression and sometimes over a thousand in one year.

So we've come to the point where it's not a secret any longer that the Media is a gatekeeper for this oppressive ideology, Zionism, and worse; it actually supports the role that AIPAC plays in U.S. politics on behalf of a foreign country and its interests in the Middle East and the rest of the world in relation to the advancement and protection of this ideology.

Therefore, whatever flaws that man has: Is he lying about the U.S. media and its collusion with the benefactors of Zionism?

One has to consider an important legal question here: is the intent racist or patriotic and in the case of others who dare to speak their mind to criticize this collusion, moral or immoral; again is this candidness or worse anti-Semitic remark, moral or immoral if it points to a glaring truth? If AIPAC and the mainstream media collude to suppress the rights of an oppressed Palestinian people and do so by suppressing or subverting U.S. democracy, then who is really immoral here, and who triggers the reaction of the individual in the video who sees writing on the wall spelling "fix and manipulation" and can't help himself from shouting it out?

So then everyone should remain silent when the mainstream collude with a foreign agent to fix things in favor of a foreign ideology because it's anti-Semitic not to. Right? Because who is this fix benefiting, the benefactors of the fix or the American people who dish out billions a year so that the foreign country that AIPAC represents can continue its oppressive operation?

Again, racist or not, wrongly intended or not, is this man lying and who's fault is it that he needs to shout this out? Or, DON'T THE POWERFUL have a obligation NOT TO ABUSE THEIR POWER to perpetuate oppression subverting democracy and the truth to do so? And don't they have this obligation precisely because this subversion and abuse of power will have the contrary effect of NOT protecting those benefactors but exposing them to righteous criticism, condemnation, resentment and worse? The moral responsibility lies also with the Jewish benefactors who would rather enjoy this false protection and power than correct the egregious wrong being done on their behalf both with the oppression of others and the subversion of U.S. democracy to ensure such benefits for themselves.

It's time to distinguish between the anti-Semite and the truth teller. Sometimes the truth comes to us through the unlikeliest channel and all we want to do is shoot the messenger, when the message is screaming: fix this grave wrong,i.e.this abuse of power because this is a hint of karma to come if you don't.

Those who are abusing power, AIPAC, the mainstream media/press, and shill politicians on both sides are responsible for the toxic environment their collusion fuels.

Posted by: Circe | Oct 30 2016 18:36 utc | 165

Noirette @ 161

I saw that reddit (short) conv. googling, after looking at the raw email headers I snipped in. For whatever reason, nobody there mentioned looking at them. Google kicked out a couple other forums where people asked same questions and did look at the headers.

They are clearly marked spam. Hard to figure why Podesta would forward them to his gmail account, other then very lackadaisical email "maintenance".

To date, there were only 3 mails from that sender in entire Podesta 'dump".

I'm not trying to anything else, one way or other, about (what appears to be) legitimate mails in that collection. Only these 2 are not authored by HRC/Podesta or anyone associated, and suggesting so is (fill in the word).

Posted by: jdmckay | Oct 30 2016 19:52 utc | 166

A maybe too over-the-top-for-some conspiracy like article but still an interesting read nonetheless:

http://redefininggod.com/2016/10/why-the-jewish-bankster-elite-assassinated-john-f-kennedy/


Posted by: Lozion | Oct 30 2016 23:11 utc | 167

This blog ain't nuthin' but shit.

Posted by: Tom W Harris | Oct 31 2016 7:36 utc | 168

Even as agnostic Elon Musk asks for suicide-squad volunteers for his one-way mission to Mars, for the Greater Glory of Outer Space-Privatization and political grift, French President François Gérard Georges Nicolas Hollande, another agnostic and crypto-Catholic like America's agnostic Donald Trump, burns the Calais ghettoes to the ground, and sends 1000s of innocent refugee children off on an inner-space suicide mission of their own:

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/10/28/kids-on-their-own-in-calais-the-tip-of-an-iceberg-cold-world/

Those damn Agnostics!

It's not the PAC'rs that's the problem, it's the Stackers, the venally-corrupt political cabals like the Clinton's, the Reid's, the Pelosi's, the Bush's, the Cheney's, the Rumsfeld's. It's not a crime to influence the cabals or inter-breed within their royal families.

It's just business, get over it.

Posted by: chipnik | Oct 31 2016 12:57 utc | 169

74

And yet here the polizei and crypto-military troops from 20 agencies are beating, gassing and arresting First Nations protestors in the Dakotas, protestors fighting against Eminent Domain Privatization by foreign corporations and that agnostic crypto-Catholic Donald Trump who owns the oil, the grease, the gre-gre, ...while the bunko Bundy's those cattle grazing grifters who occupy public Federal lands go free, land-stealing damn Catholics and Mormons. Nobody says nada.

Wooo, wooo, wooo, your duplicity in this regard will come after you.

Posted by: chipnik | Oct 31 2016 13:21 utc | 170

108

"Bullying is a learned defense mechanism by hurt people."

You can't seriously believe that!

Look at Netanyahu! Trump is another bully, famous for bullying, just like that Scalia was an inveterate bully. Are you claiming Trump and Scalia and Netanyahu are just 'poor hurt' lost little sheep?

"Black is White. War is Peace. Slavery is Freedom."

Posted by: chipnik | Oct 31 2016 13:59 utc | 171


Looks like the Yinon Plan is continuing right on schedule, as Lo and Behold, another WikiLeaks email (ID18328) arrives between Crooked Hillary and some other State Dept criminal:


“The best way to help Israel deal with Iran's growing nuclear capability is to help the people of Syria [yeah, right]

overthrow the regime of Bashar Assad. Negotiations to limit Iran's nuclear program will not solve Israel's security dilemma. Nor will they stop Iran from improving the crucial part of any nuclear weapons program — the capability to enrich uranium. At best, the talks between the world's major powers and Iran that began in Istanbul this April and will continue in Baghdad in May will enable Israel to postpone by a few months a decision whether to launch an attack on Iran that could provoke a major Mideast war. 

Iran's nuclear program and Syria's civil war may seem unconnected, but they are (sic). For Israeli leaders, the real threat from a nuclear-armed Iran is not the prospect of an insane Iranian leader launching an unprovoked Iranian nuclear attack on Israel that would lead to the annihilation of both countries. What Israeli military leaders really worry about -- but cannot talk about -- is losing their nuclear monopoly. An Iranian nuclear weapons capability would not only end that nuclear monopoly but could also prompt other adversaries, like Saudi Arabia and Egypt, to go nuclear as well. 

The result would be a precarious nuclear balance in which Israel could not respond to provocations with conventional military strikes on Syria and Lebanon, as it can today. If Iran were to reach the threshold of a nuclear weapons state, Tehran would find it much easier to call on its allies in Syria and Hezbollah to strike Israel, knowing that its nuclear weapons would serve as a deterrent to Israel responding against Iran itself. Back to Syria. It is the strategic relationship between Iran and the regime of Bashar Assad in Syria that makes it possible for Iran to undermine Israel's security — not through a direct attack, which in the thirty years of hostility between Iran and Israel has never occurred, but through its proxies in Lebanon, like Hezbollah, that are sustained, armed and trained by Iran via Syria. The end of the Assad regime would end this dangerous alliance. Israel's leadership understands well why defeating Assad is now in its interests. 

Bringing down Assad would not only be a massive boon to Israel's security, it would also ease Israel's understandable fear of losing its nuclear monopoly. Then, Israel and the United States might be able to develop a common view of when the Iranian program is so dangerous that military action could be warranted. Right now, it is the combination of Iran's strategic alliance with Syria and the steady progress in Iran's nuclear enrichment program that has led Israeli leaders to contemplate a surprise attack — if necessary over the objections of Washington. With Assad gone, and Iran no longer able to threaten Israel through its, proxies, it is possible that the United States and Israel can agree on red lines for when Iran's program has crossed an unacceptable threshold.”

https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/18328#efmADMAFf

Posted by: Fontana | Oct 31 2016 15:54 utc | 172

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