Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
October 20, 2016

This Election Circus Is A Disservice To The People

Via Adam Johnson:

"Total mentions all 4 debates:

  • Russia/Putin 178
  • ISIS/terror 132
  • Iran 67
  • ...
  • Abortion 17
  • Poverty 10
  • Climate change 4
  • Campaign finance 3
  • Privacy 0"

The candidates are not the first to blame for this. The first to blame are the moderators of such debates, the alleged journalists 8and their overlords) who do not ask questions that are relevant for the life of the general votes and who do not intervene at all when the debaters run off course. The second group to blame are the general horse-race media who each play up their (owner's) special-interest hobbyhorses as if those will be the decisive issue for the next four years. The candidates fight for the attention of these media and adopt to them.

I didn't watch yesterday's debate but every media I skimmed tells me that Clinton was gorgeous and Trump very bad. That means she said what they wanted to hear and Trump didn't. It doesn't say what other people who watched though of it. Especially in the rural parts of the country they likely fear the consequences of climate change way more than Russia, ISIS and Iran together.

Another reason why both candidates avoided to bring up the issues low in the list above is that both hold positions that are socially somewhat liberal and both are corporatists. None of those low ranked issues is personally relevant to them. No realistic answer to these would better their campaign finances or their personal standing in the circles they move in. Personally they are both east coast elite and don't give a fu***** sh** what real people care about.

As far as I can discern it from the various reports no new political issues were touched. Clinton ran her usual focus group tested lies while Trump refrained from attacking her hard. A huge mistake in my view. He can beat her by attacking her really, really hard, not on issues but personality. Her disliked rate (like Trump's) is over -40%. She is vulnerable on many, many things in her past. Her foreign policy is way more aggressive than most voters like.  Calling this back into mind again and again could probably send her below -50%. Who told him to leave that stuff alone? Trump is a major political disruption. He should have emphasized that but he barely hinted at it for whatever reason.

The voters are served badly -if at all- by the TV debates in their current form. These do not explain real choices. That is what this whole election circus should be about. But that is no longer the case and maybe it never was.

Posted by b on October 20, 2016 at 13:11 UTC | Permalink

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America, welcome to the same kind of 'freedom and democracy' we've been imposing on the world since 1898. We're seeing first-hand how the machine works and it isn't pretty, is it?

Tyranny is here to stay and as long as you vegetate in front of your HDTV's, Hell will always be just outside your front door.

Posted by: Greg Bacon | Oct 21 2016 12:07 utc | 101

More bullshit metrics.

Forty-nine percent say Clinton won, while 39 percent think Trump was the winner. Twelve percent call it a tie.

Posted by: rufus magister | Oct 21 2016 12:08 utc | 102

''Americans'' having the notion of Trump as future POTUS are living in a parallel universe!They are sleeping as they were when teddy took iowa!!what makes me so certain?,cos its the universal truth ,PEOPLES GET THE GOVERNMENT THEY DESERVE''...my sympathies for the ordinary ''us' citizens trying to put food on the table and hoping everything turns out honkey dorey!!!

Posted by: Nur Adlina | Oct 21 2016 13:09 utc | 103

100;I hate commie liars.
CBS is a corrupt arm of the Zionist News Network,serial liars par excellence.
All reports of anything by them should be viewed with the highest suspicion.
As the whole lying sack of shite media are they,believe nothing.

Posted by: dahoit | Oct 21 2016 13:25 utc | 104

@70 Outsider
100% agree on all points raised in this post. There was no hack. This is a search, copy, paste, send job. The amazing mindscape that has been created of the big, bad Russian boogeyman by the Hillary campaign is both amazing and grotesque...not a shred of supporting evidence.

We'll likely see an increase in the climate of fear with further efforts made towards the persecution of whistleblowers - with either presidency. There must be no patriot brave enough. Though as you say, a Hillary administration will be more likely to be undermined throughout another term...the monkey shit flung in the 2016 campaign is gonna stick.

@68 stumpy
Apologies don't cut it son. You wont fuck up like that again.

Posted by: MadMax2 | Oct 21 2016 13:48 utc | 105

@90 FTH
B's post is 'Via Adam Johnson'. We are not sure if B watched it or not.

Posted by: MadMax2 | Oct 21 2016 13:52 utc | 106

@103 MadMax2

No, that was only a link to those statistics from Adam Johnson (who apparantly did watch).
b hadn't watched when he wrote this blog.

Posted by: From The Hague | Oct 21 2016 14:06 utc | 107

There are 545 DIRECTLY, LEGALLY, MORALLY, INDIVIDUALLY, RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERY PROBLEM AMERICA FACES.

How Do You Kill 11 Million People?

This whiteboard animation shows what happened when Hitler lied to get elected and people don't care or pay attention to the lies of their leaders, until they do care...and at that point, it is too late.

https://youtu.be/EH_Izul6J5M


Posted by: Agent76 | Oct 21 2016 14:18 utc | 108

From somewhere on the web:

We spent yesterday in the car. Driving about six hours around central California, we watched for bumper stickers. Previously elections have shown signs and flags all over, yesterday we saw three for Sanders, two Trump stickers, and none for Hillary. We saw many thousand cars.

Apparently ABC had an online poll after the last debate. Before it was removed, the totals were:

Trump 75%
Stein 15%
Clinton 5%.


last comment in
http://tinyurl.com/hts698q

Posted by: From The Hague | Oct 21 2016 15:00 utc | 109

@ rufus magister

Capitalism is a concept that does not exist in reality. Private finance exists in reality.

Your deprecation of my comment is idiotic. The other part of my degree was in planning methodologies like future studies which we stopped doing in the early 1970's because it got people asking too many questions. I didn't need a degree to make money because I was already a computer techie. I wanted to know how the world worked, did so, and have been watching our society devolve for over 40 years now.

I am an open book as shown by my web site. And you? Have a nice life.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 21 2016 15:12 utc | 110

Demian @ 69

Podesta's account couldn't have been hacked by randomly trying every possibility. Somehow, the hacker got the actual password. Either it was exposed somewhere, or it was obtained by spear phishing.

It's been established it was a phishing hack.

Posted by: jdmckay | Oct 21 2016 15:25 utc | 111

oe6pac has it right......the United States has strayed from its democratically-based roots to become a banking and corporate plutocracy.

I believe that it is Piotr Berman that is misinformed.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 21, 2016 12:26:22 AM | 82


??????

It is heart warming to have a belief in the Golden Age when the things were right. At the the of Independence, Revolution etc. most leader were "men of means" and universal suffrage was not introduced yet. Domination of money interest was already a concern in 1830s, before it was not much of an election issue. At the end of 19th century this domination was rather complete. At THAT time Rotschilds were not big players in USA, AFAIK.

It is not clear that they are big player now, especially when compared with Goldman Sachs boys who seem to have fingers everywhere, e.g. Libyan oil fund, the debacle of Greek public finances etc. Any banker would assist Hillary in the same way. It is not even clear that the influence of banks is any more sinister than the influence of other groups that are much more dependent on pliable government and legislative branch, especially health care and weapon industry. That influence is more structural than "conspiratorial", and prescription how to act against them are more in supporting politicians, perhaps Elisabeth Warren, who articulate how industry interests differ from public interest, or other purely political ways. And one has to make intellectual case why deregulation/misregulation of banks and lending in general is bad, why free market in medicine is bad, why breaking laws in foreign policy is bad and so on.

The alternative which is attractive to many is to focus on how evil "pro-plutocratic" politicians are, root for conspiracies and so on, but that does not guarantee any improvement even if successful. For example, Democratic candidate from my state seems perfectly nice, but some of her positions are, to me, obnoxious. But at least she is not a reptilian like her opponent, so the choice is clear, and there is hope that she will be amenable to constructive pressure (her website has only one position on foreign policy, the support of Israel. Hm. As we know, it could be worse, and according to her opponent, "KM does not want to abolish the agreement with Iran!". Point for KM, if true.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 21 2016 16:04 utc | 112

67

ENCORE! STANDING OVATION! You nailed it.

As Quadriad so aptly addressed his response to #65 Doofus Minister's silly post, I mean who uses VOX, Ezra 'I'll explain everything to my readers so they don't have to think for themselves' Klein as an authoritative voice on anything other than say, don't think yourselves...look at our pretty charts...first here's A, next is B...

Now I get why you did not respond to my request "Where has Trump once advocated for a no fly zone let alone war? Links and sources please. Enlighten me." (#38)

If you bothered yourself to read the original post (#24) you would know my request came from Wed night's debate when Hillary, once again, confirmed, assured, promised that her no fly zone policy position in Syria is solid. She is 100% committed. But you didn't read the original post, because why? Rather you post dribble from one of the biggest partisan champions of all things Hillary, VOX friggin news!

Sad. Just plain old sad.

So chipnik, Doofus Minister and some other tag teamer has not responded with anything that suggests Trump supports a no fly zone in Syria. Nothing, nada, zip, zero, zilch. Mike provided a great resource #42 that captured Trump's thoughts on safe zones in Syria but nothing about no fly zones.

The reason they cannot find anything is b/c Trump isn't reckless enough, dumb enough or impulsive enough to even whisper such an insane policy position as a no fly zone in Syria b/c he knows as every other informed human being on the entirety of planet earth that such a policy will lead to war with Russia!

Again, a Vote for Trump = NO War and a Vote for Hillary = WAR

Posted by: h | Oct 21 2016 16:05 utc | 113

100

Where are all the dub track voice-overs on those crazy-faced Hillary pics while they were drying her off the vodka and adjusting her meds, big letters, telling what she said, what she did, printed over her hagface? Any high school kid could tag that one. Where are they? That's right. It's MSM suppression.

"You must accept the vote!" Hillary 'Ritch' Rodham

Trump and Clinton are both clearly known-criminal grifting multi-millionaire Elites, the Face of Great Satan on your TV every night.

"You must vote, then you must accept the outcome." You're being herded into the slaughterhouse chutes, for another $4,000,000,000,000 blood-letting next April 15th. And like Netanyahu, who only 'won' (sic) by 26% super-minority of the Israeli vote, The Establishment will get your emotional buy-in, They will ear-tag brand you a Red or Blue loyalist, ruled by a minority, again putting thd Big Lie to their spin, the American 'democracy' is 'majority rule'.

It's not. It's rule by The Global Elite. It's rule by MSM domestic psyop, the Big Lie.

It's American Slaughterhouse 2016.

Posted by: TheRealDonald | Oct 21 2016 16:09 utc | 114


From WikiLeaks: Hillary Clinton Email Archive


“The best way to help Israel deal with Iran's growing nuclear capability is to help the people of Syria overthrow the regime of Bashar Assad….”

“….Iran's nuclear program and Syria's civil war may seem unconnected, but they are. For Israeli leaders, the real threat from a nuclear-armed Iran is not the prospect of an insane Iranian leader launching an unprovoked Iranian nuclear attack on Israel that would lead to the annihilation of both countries…”

What Israeli military leaders really worry about - but cannot talk about - is losing their nuclear monopoly

https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/18328#efmADMAFf

If that doesn't make it clear enough, then take a few minutes and read the following list of neocons who got the US into the illegal war in Iraq

http://hugequestions.com/Eric/TFC/FromOthers/list-of-neocons-for-Iraq-war.htm

The Pipeline Theory for US intervention in Syria is total BS. They don't need to go through Syria, they could go through Iraq instead.

When the USA starts blowing up Israel's (cough) neighbours, then pay attention to the Yinon Plan, not pipelines

The United States Government is wholly owned by a foreign power

Reading WikiLeaks reminds me of Netenyahu's address to the American Congress a few years back in which he was interrupted no fewer than 29 times by '”spontaneous” applause from his groveling, worshipful subjects.


Posted by: anon | Oct 21 2016 16:11 utc | 115

Yesterday, Hillary's News Networks pounded, pounded, pounded home how unAmerican Trump's response was to not say he'll concede immediately on 11/8 even though he's up two points in the latest Rasmussen poll.

Well, there was a reason for that distraction folks and it's b/c of a response Clinton gave during the debate - "“But here’s the deal. The bottom line on nuclear weapons is that when the president gives the order, it must be followed. There’s about four minutes between the order being given and the people responsible for launching nuclear weapons to do so.” –Hillary Clinton"

Yes, this reckless, irresponsible, entitled woman cavalierly gave our nuclear weapon protocol on national television. My god man, what will she say if she has the bully pulpit at her disposal 24/7/365?

Hillary's News Network bought 24 hours to develop their orchestrated attack and talking points so as to minimize, I'm sure, her recklessness. I can't wait to read them...

http://truepundit.com/pentagon-hillary-clinton-should-be-arrested-for-leaking-top-secret-nuclear-intelligence-on-national-tv/

"According to Pentagon sources, the information Clinton disseminated publicly is Top Secret intelligence governed under the U.S. Special Access Program (SAP) which dictates safeguards and protocols for accessing and discussing highly classified and Top Secret intelligence. The specific details of the country’s nuclear response time discussed by Clinton, sources said, are only known by a handful of individuals outside top military brass, including the following “need-to-know” (NTK) officials:..."

President
Vice President
Secretary of State
Secretary of Defense
Secretary of Homeland Security
Attorney General
Director of National Intelligence
CIA Director
Deputy Secretary of State
Deputy Secretary of Defense
Special personnel designated solely by the President in writing

Posted by: h | Oct 21 2016 16:21 utc | 116

@ Piotr Berman

So I didn't follow your comment, are you a fan of private finance and those that own it or not?

How about a yes or no answer. Your comment reads like agnotology screed to me.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 21 2016 16:25 utc | 117

Hillary and News Network Team must have tested this talking point yesterday, but they failed as they should -

"The Clinton campaign rejected claims that the former secretary of state revealed any secret information, showing Fox News several published reports describing nuclear response times.

However, intelligence experts and a former Navy SEAL told Fox News that just because the response time was previously reported in academic documents does not allow government officials holding security clearance or who had previous access to classified information to discuss it in a public forum.

Clinton’s statement “now validates with specificity something of great sensitivity that has long been speculated by our adversaries and others in the national arena, including academics and think tanks,” the former SEAL officer said."

http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/20/retired-general-clinton-foolish-for-discussing-nuclear-response-time/

Posted by: h | Oct 21 2016 16:36 utc | 118

(did not watch debate.)

The US has lost power, say, over the last 25 years: economic power, soft power, world admiration or fearful awarded prestige, clout (financial circuits, banks, threats, sanctions, wars ..) and manipulatory power, int’l l legislative power.

Not, on paper, military power - its effectiveness i can’t judge. E.g. Putin facing off against the US in Syria which did not happen re. Lybia. (Makin’ it v. short.)

In many ways, the US has become a second-, even in some ways, a third-world country.. Fin. and milit. threat hovers omnipresent and devastating but some hesitant or determined breakaways pop up, yes, to often back down again…

Dealing with this situation on the inside is agonisingly painful. Relinquishing of Empire leads to jagged moves. Trump confusedly proposes a ‘national advantages’ etc. MAGA agenda which is sketchy to say the least but hits home for many (anti-globalisation, but not exactly anti-war..) while Killary represents the corrupt PTB willing in the past and to the future to throw ordinary ppl under the bus for the 20% me-us-me-super-ppl gain and a kind of neo-feudal arrangement, aka, Mega corps who don’t pay taxes so are part of the Gvmt., the MSM, Wall Street, new tech, hollywood, etc. in cahoots for control.. All the BJC + HRC/Dem, + Obama, so called ‘support’ for ‘minorities’ is duplicitous - perhaps the most important point ppl should wake up to.

Trump has at least partially disrupted the gripped pol landscape. A hard row to hoe. Particularly as he panders to the Rep. base (Pence VP for ex.)

Posted by: Noirette | Oct 21 2016 16:38 utc | 119

113

Cheney kept ALL his emails exposed to hacks on the RNC server, now there is an 8-year blacked-out gap missing from the public record, after the Bush Administration ignored Congress and shredded the RNC hard-drives.

If the glove doesn't fit, you can't commit!

It took the Rumsfeld-Cheney Deep State psy-operators only moments to advantage that, Colin Powell telling Rodham 'Sure everyone does it!' as she saw Cheney get away with while she was NY Senator, then the moment Benghazi went down, and 4 died of the 8,000+ already dead, it was game on, and McCain 2as off to Syria to meet Al Nusra and The Caliph with maps to US ordnance in Iraq.

You act like your Red shyte don't stink, so all up in that 'hopey chainsy' thing about your boy Don the Shuckster Bunko Artist. The fact is, from before Bush, Rodham, Bush, Dunham and now Rodham or Trump, America has been ruled by the Royal Family extended cousins since Leslie Lynch King Jr (Gerald Ford), and I'm not so sure about King either.

"And people will remain willfully ignorant of the red, white and blue dick being shoved up their ass every day." (haww, haww, haww) "You don't have a choice. You are owned. They own you!" (applause)

Posted by: TheRealDonald | Oct 21 2016 16:47 utc | 120


@ psychohistorian (just for fun, something different)

" With usura hath no man a house of good stone
each block cut smooth and well fitting
that design might cover their face,
with usura
hath no man a painted paradise on his church wall
harpes et luz
or where virgin receiveth message
and halo projects from incision,
with usura
seeth no man Gonzaga his heirs and his concubines
no picture is made to endure nor to live with
but it is made to sell and sell quickly
with usura, sin against nature,
is thy bread ever more of stale rags
is thy bread dry as paper,
with no mountain wheat, no strong flour
with usura the line grows thick
with usura is no clear demarcation
and no man can find site for his dwelling.
Stonecutter is kept from his tone
weaver is kept from his loom
WITH USURA
wool comes not to market
sheep bringeth no gain with usura
Usura is a murrain, usura
blunteth the needle in the maid’s hand
and stoppeth the spinner’s cunning. Pietro Lombardo
came not by usura
Duccio came not by usura
nor Pier della Francesca; Zuan Bellin’ not by usura
nor was ‘La Calunnia’ painted.
Came not by usura Angelico; came not Ambrogio Praedis,
Came no church of cut stone signed: Adamo me fecit.
Not by usura St. Trophime
Not by usura Saint Hilaire,
Usura rusteth the chisel
It rusteth the craft and the craftsman
It gnaweth the thread in the loom
None learneth to weave gold in her pattern;
Azure hath a canker by usura; cramoisi is unbroidered
Emerald findeth no Memling
Usura slayeth the child in the womb
It stayeth the young man’s courting
It hath brought palsey to bed, lyeth
between the young bride and her bridegroom
CONTRA NATURAM
They have brought whores for Eleusis
Corpses are set to banquet
at behest of usura."

(With Usura, from Canto XL)

By Ezra Pound



Posted by: anon | Oct 21 2016 16:55 utc | 121

Hey #117 I'm no Republican. I gave up all party affiliation in '08 after the gal I backed lost to the lying warmonger we now have in the White House. Yes, you read that correctly, I was a huge supporter of Clinton in '08. Yes, I once drank the kool-aid...

As for who truly runs this country, I haven't a clue. Do I care. Sure. But as long as the masses refuse to stand up and take on the responsibilities for being a citizen in this country starting with confronting that big ass pink elephant you speak to, I'm powerless to do much other than expose it, which I do daily.

Thus, I tend to focus my limited resources on areas I may have a shot at persuading or convincing another voter to think long and hard about a Hillary presidency which equals WAR. WAR. WAR. She has made it abundantly clear to any who listen to her that she is the WAR candidate.

I loathe WAR. All of it.

Posted by: h | Oct 21 2016 17:20 utc | 122

@ anon regarding USURA

To me it is more the control over how our world operates and the incentives it has to do so. Your poem speaks a bit to that but misses the current big ticket items like deciding it is ok to commit hundreds, if not thousands of future generations to managing our current nuclear effluent, killing mass transit in the US and evolving the car culture, etc.

Because we allow those that own private finance to control our world and they worship the God of Mammon, their leadership inhibits us acting in cooperative ways and has us competing with each other for the scraps of societies output....the bad incentives I refer to.


And just because we have had USURA for centuries does not mean we have to continue allowing it. There is this concept called evolution that should be applied here, IMO.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 21 2016 17:31 utc | 123

Pay no attention to that size XXXXXXXL pantsuit behind the curtian.

“A convicted felon caught up in a pair of stinging political exposés has visited the Obama White House 342 times, according to the administration’s records, including several visits to the Obama family’s residence and one, in October of last year, to the Oval Office.

Robert Creamer was caught on one hidden-camera video discussing ways to commit large-scale voter fraud, and talking in another about paying liberal activists to start fights and otherwise disrupt Donald Trump rallies.

Democracy Partners, the community organizing firm that until Tuesday employed Creamer, works hand-in-hand with Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign.”

http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/10/20/shocking-claims-dnc-contractor-caught-in-voter-fraud-sting-visited-white-house/

Posted by: ALberto | Oct 21 2016 17:35 utc | 124

Wikileaks poisons Hillary's Relationship with the Left

The Headline is pure pro-Hillary MSM. Wikileaks didn't "poison" her relationship, they merely revealed Hillary & Co.'s duplicity.

Vote Green Party (Jill Stein)

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 21 2016 17:44 utc | 125

Apologies if this has already been posted (the thread was a bit hard to follow).

http://www.democracynow.org/2016/10/20/green_partys_jill_stein_on_donald

If the link doesn't work, the interview can be found at democracynow.org, scrolling down the left side, as Jill Stein's response to the debate in question on this thread. Particularly interesting to me is the equation of the two 'main' candidates with respect to military overspending - but also the final statement of the importance for the Green Party of every vote up to and beyond the 5% threshold.

Posted by: juliania | Oct 21 2016 17:46 utc | 126

118

Without usura, everything is still as the winter's dark pond, glazed over and lifeless, a low chill fog blurring the outlines of a frozen copse. Nothing moves. Silence.

It's not the usura, it's the prima usura, the money changers, the bunko and grift artists, the gribbling exceptionally vermin, skimming off the Alms Givers.

The Nascim.

Posted by: TheRealDonald | Oct 21 2016 17:51 utc | 127


psychohistorian: "And just because we have had USURA for centuries does not mean we have to continue allowing it."

+10!

Although I stopped reading Naked Capitalism years ago (after all the good commenters left), I remember reading your comments when you used to post there

Posted by: anon | Oct 21 2016 18:31 utc | 128

@ h

You raise a good point.

By saying she'll impose a No-Fly Zone in Syria, it really looks like Hillary is willing to risk nuclear war with Russia in order to protect Al-Qaeda

And to my knowledge, Trump hasn't said anything about imposing a No-Fly Zone on Syria.

Posted by: anon | Oct 21 2016 18:56 utc | 129

@ anon

namaste

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 21 2016 19:24 utc | 130

"According to Green Party presidential nominee Jill Stein, “On the issue of war and nuclear weapons, it is actually Hillary’s policies which are much scarier than Donald Trump who does not want to go to war with Russia. He wants to seek modes of working together, which is the route that we need to follow not to go into confrontation and nuclear war with Russia.”"

https://consortiumnews.com/2016/10/20/jill-stein-on-war-trump-is-safer-than-clinton/

___

Thanks anon # 129

Posted by: h | Oct 21 2016 19:44 utc | 131

Interesting:

Clinton Campaign "salvage program" set to roll out "soft-kill" technology that will mimic an "invading extraterrestrial force of nearly incomprehensible scale"


Actual final Clinton Campaign Strategy: 'Use FIRESIGN soft-kill technology to create a fake alien invasion in which Obama will pass the baton to Hillary to become President'

How transparent this (s)election really is?

United States bars Russian monitors from presidential polls – elections commission — RT Russian politics

Posted by: ProPeace | Oct 21 2016 20:29 utc | 132

@FTH
Fair play, you're right, I stand corrected.

Posted by: MadMax2 | Oct 21 2016 20:58 utc | 133

#132 - that first link reminds me of operation blue beam or something 'blue ...'. Interesting read. How does one secure such confirmation of such a white paper? Wishing IH lots of luck with that. I don't see the Clinton camp taking such ownership. That's some crazy stuff...

Posted by: h | Oct 21 2016 21:06 utc | 134

She has made it abundantly clear to any who listen to her that she is the WAR candidate.

Posted by: h | Oct 21, 2016 1:20:41 PM | 122

There is, I've found, no better finishing statement to a conversation about the US election. Surprisingly in the west, its still very hard to argue for more war.

Posted by: MadMax2 | Oct 21 2016 22:05 utc | 135

It was fairly clear that the implication of evoking The Donald's present position on Syria was to suggest him as less dangerous than the Democratic candidate. Given his statements on foreign and military policy, Trump clearly contemplates wars of aggression for oil.

Having had a closer look at "The Donald's Fabulous Foreign Policy (TM) On Syria," it seems typical Trumpian rhetorical convenience. He did oppose action against Syria after the "red line" was crossed (I believe the best evidence suggests the local Syrian jihadis staged it). But in the Republican primaries and even in recent statements suggested that once the line had been drawn and transited, firm action had to be taken.

Politico dishes on both of them, so every will enjoy the article.

And so it seems to me that my sources were maligned as unfriendly -- butch it up -- but not actually refuted. I don't know Vox, so I actually did find the original, identical article there, they struck me as typical internet liberal types. But I do know New Cold War, having followed it since shortly after Kiev became Banderastan-on-the-Dniepr.

Posted by: rufus magister | Oct 22 2016 1:15 utc | 136

Brain stimulation reveals crucial role of overcoming self-centeredness in self-control


In two separate studies, we show that disruptive transcranial magnetic stimulation (TMS) of the temporo-parietal junction—a brain region involved in overcoming one’s self-centered perspective—increases the discounting of delayed and prosocial rewards.

Check out the picture that Science thought appropriate to illustrate this little gem. Seems like they're investigating another 'disease of the poor'.

They'd have done better to have a video of 'I came, I saw, he died'. Or of the Nobel Peace Prize Laureate and his pals watching one of their drone or special forces snuff films in real time. Like the election, this article - its presentation anyway - is a disservice to the people.

Who's paying for this 'research'? For whom are they weaponizing 'disruptive transcranial magnetic stimulation'. Will TMS be incorporated into the next-generation of voting machines? Brazil is all-electronic.

Posted by: jfl | Oct 22 2016 1:53 utc | 137

Propeace at 132. The link (about a fake Clinton ‘alien invasion’) says 404 page not found for me (the rest is present.) Thinking about who leaked the Podesta e-mails and googling (I’m quite convinced it was an insider of some kind, and not Trumpistas, the PTB, or an outside power like the Russians, etc. not that it is important) I ran across this piece by Wayne Madsen, well it is W. M!…

For those who can’t be bothered: Podesta is tied to the UFO-aliens community, and both Clintons have given some credibility to these kinds of spiels. For this reason, UFO style hackers have targetted Podesta, as their FOA requests usually go nowhere fast.

So …if one follows along…this US election now *indirectly* involves alien creatures from other realms !! :) Absolutely mind-boggling.

http://www.strategic-culture.org/pview/2016/10/21/so-who-hacked-clinton-truth-could-be-more-shocking-than-you-expected.html

Posted by: Noirette | Oct 22 2016 14:20 utc | 138

Trump has said some dumb things but rufus @136 ignores the larger context.

U.S. involvement in the Middle East has not been in our interest at all. It has only benefited so-called "allies" that oppress their people, on-the-take political stooges, and arms dealers.

Saddam's WMD's, spreading democracy, humanitarian intervention, White Helmets, Israeli-Palestinian peace talks, "Change You Can Believe In", Obama's Nobel Prize (for not being Bush), 'reset' with Russia, Benghazi, the Gouta sarin attack, the fight against ISIS, moderate rebels, and more ... have all been proven to be a lie.

We are not safer, we are just poorer. And those who manipulate and "buy access" do not respect us.

<> <> <> <> <> < > <> <> <>

Should we elect yet another 'Liar-in-Chief' or someone that might actually clean the Augean stables?

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 22 2016 15:56 utc | 139

The notion of The Duckhead Donald as paradigmatic "Mr. Clean of Good Government" is, you will forgive me, even more ludicrous than that of him as a peacenik.

As a nascent strongman, "The Man on the Black Balance Sheet" (supposedly), his scheme to "clean up" Washington is looking disturbingly like prior schemes to "clean up" Rome and Berlin. He does after all propose to alter the laws and imprison opponents in accordance with his ever-changing moods. And didn't he call for something rather like "One People, One Nation, One Leader?"

Posted by: rufus magister | Oct 22 2016 23:10 utc | 140

Climate change? Please. Normal people couldn't care less about this completely bogus issue. Mr. Johnson, you even peddle the nonsense of "climate change" when we know that's an evasion of the data on "global (non)warming.

I can't believe I read that here.

Posted by: Richard Ong | Oct 23 2016 0:25 utc | 141

This election is about more than the usual Liberal vs. Conservative battle, it is between globalists and nationalists and the results will reverberate throughout the world influencing our future. A lot of key players are waiting to see what happens and will act accordingly. The stakes are high.

Posted by: Cynthia | Oct 23 2016 13:44 utc | 142

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