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October 10, 2016
Open Thread 2016-33
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On the 8th of november US-citizens can vote about bombings and terror. Posted by: From The Hague | Oct 10 2016 18:20 utc | 1 Do We Really Want A War With Russia? by chris martenson.. Posted by: james | Oct 10 2016 18:28 utc | 2 Wow! I must agree with FTH @1, but then I’ve been anti-Clinton since 1992. It must also be remarked that voting for Obama in 2012 was also a criminal act. Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 10 2016 18:31 utc | 3 A pain in the ASSets Posted by: ALberto | Oct 10 2016 18:34 utc | 4 Latin American briefs… Posted by: Maracatu | Oct 10 2016 18:42 utc | 5 US Risks War Crimes Accusation for Saudi Support . Monday October 10, 2016 – YOU CANNOT MAKE THIS STUFF UP – Posted by: ALberto | Oct 10 2016 19:18 utc | 7 Oui@ 6: Posted by: woogs | Oct 10 2016 19:23 utc | 8 Is there any straightforward way for Trump to dump Pence? What if he could be persuaded to resign? Would the appointment of a replacement be Trump’s prerogative? Neocon Pence cannot be allowed to continue undermining candidate Trump. And a Vice-president Pence would mean President Trump would inevitably be targeted for assassination by the globalists. Another Kennedy-Johnson scenario or Reagan-Bush. Can anything be done? @sarz #9: As soon as Trump chose Pence, I thought of the Kennedy-Johnson situation. Posted by: lysias | Oct 10 2016 19:54 utc | 11 Pence is not Johnson. Pence doesn’t have a disloyal bone in his body. Trump’s statement that he didn’t talk with Pence about it is true. They just need to get on the same page. Posted by: Elwood | Oct 10 2016 20:25 utc | 12 Please. Enough already about this ridiculous fucking election. The whole thing is a morbid joke, and half the worlds population are choking back the American bile that has been force-fed to them through various raucous media; it has always been, and for the foreseeable future will be, an utter farce. Don’t buy it. Nothing of any real significance can change with the name of the next psychopathic POTUS. To reach those echelons of power implies either sucking kilometres of oligarchal cock, or brutally stamping all over the face of liberty. In other words, anybody running who has an actual chance of being elected, by definition, isn’t fit to shovel shit, let alone steer the ship of state. So move on. This circus sideshow is so tired. Posted by: dan | Oct 10 2016 20:33 utc | 13 woogs 8 Posted by: Peter AU | Oct 10 2016 20:33 utc | 14 Going back to the false flag discussion it would make sense to stage it in the second week before the election – although Aleppo does carry some urgency. It kills two birds with one stone vis-a-vis Russia and Trump. There are two scenarios: Posted by: Lochearn | Oct 10 2016 20:58 utc | 15 re 8
Doubt it.
Why should the Houthis be bothered? They are not part of a peace negotiation. I’m only sorry the missile did not hit. Electronics, probably. The Emirati transport was hit. There’ll be a lot of hesitation in enforcing the blockade. Posted by: Laguerre | Oct 10 2016 20:58 utc | 16 @sarz, lysias, Elwood:
This is a remarkable action to advocate, given that, as any Republican will tell you, Trump won his party’s nomination fair and square, whereas Hillary did not. The menace of creepy clowns spreads to Australia and New Zealand, after they were already sighted in USA, Canada and UK. Putin and Russia are still not blamed, even though they can surely capitalize. I think RT already covered them. Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 10 2016 21:06 utc | 18 #15 Lochearn – Su-24 Posted by: Quadriad | Oct 10 2016 21:13 utc | 19 Laguerre 16 Posted by: Peter AU | Oct 10 2016 21:15 utc | 20 Piotr Berman | Oct 10, 2016 5:06:58 PM | 18 Posted by: Perimetr | Oct 10 2016 21:26 utc | 21 @ 19 Posted by: Lochearn | Oct 10 2016 21:27 utc | 22 PeterAU@20:
Posted by: woogs | Oct 10 2016 21:46 utc | 23 re 20 Posted by: Laguerre | Oct 10 2016 22:10 utc | 24 Here’s a thought I’ve been having recently. If there is a good indication, within the US power elite, that Trump is likely to win the election; could Obama declare an emergency and cancel the election? Could there be some November “surprise” false flag event be triggered? I know this is a silly exercise but you have to consider that Trump has virtually no working relationship with the Washington elite and military aristocracy. Posted by: Bakerpete | Oct 10 2016 22:13 utc | 25 Maracatu 5. Posted by: Curtis | Oct 10 2016 22:24 utc | 26 woogs 8. Posted by: Curtis | Oct 10 2016 22:27 utc | 27 All this talk about how terrible Trump might be and what the resident oligarchs might do overlooks the simple fact that Trump is a virgin bride. Unlike Hillary who’s allegiances have been bought and paid for in the blood of innocents over the course of decades, Trump can (within limits) choose which master to serve. Posted by: Shh | Oct 10 2016 22:28 utc | 28 Curtis@ 27: Posted by: woogs | Oct 10 2016 22:51 utc | 29 Yes, Curtis@26 – I realize Latin America is “off” the radar, but that could change at any moment! …which is precisely why I choose to post what I do (on occasion). Posted by: Maracatu | Oct 10 2016 22:54 utc | 30 Supposed upcoming battle for Mosul, long in the news, shaping up with another twist. Posted by: schlub | Oct 10 2016 23:01 utc | 31 Accusations that Russia has hacked Dems may be aimed at giving them an excuse to invalidate election if Trump wins Posted by: Andoheb | Oct 10 2016 23:16 utc | 32 Posted by: Perimetr | Oct 10, 2016 5:26:05 PM | 21 Summary: clown are perhaps the work of the “deep state”, CIA? Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 10 2016 23:41 utc | 33 Russia might finally to revive Lourdes spy base in Cuba, & Haiti has once again suffered a natural disaster. The death toll is 1000 & climbing. Who is coming to their aid? Posted by: Fernando | Oct 10 2016 23:52 utc | 34 Here’s a MoA-style story by Land Destroyer:
Also, liberal outfits like The Nation and The New Yorker are ignoring Trump’s remark to the effect that there are no moderate rebels, saying instead that he has no idea about what to do about Allepo, or that he is confused about whether or not he knows Russia. The shilling for the pro-war candidate and ignoring Trump’s anti-war message by The Nation is particularly deplorable. woogs @8, Curtis @27 Posted by: smuks | Oct 11 2016 0:06 utc | 36 This is one example that Trump is despicable. And he is pretty well rounded in that respect. Somehow I learned about this story only now: Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 11 2016 0:28 utc | 37 #31 schlub Posted by: Quadriad | Oct 11 2016 0:28 utc | 38 This comment by Pence was certainly ominous, even just in terms of the amount of decision-making power Pence might expect as Vice President: Posted by: RudyM | Oct 11 2016 0:36 utc | 39 I just read Jim Stone’s daily rant on his take of the ‘debate’, & I fear he’s right on. Posted by: schlub | Oct 11 2016 0:53 utc | 40 I was going to write a nice, neat, condensed little summary for you. I have accepted the responsibility to find the unpopular facts which will lead us further along the path to the truth, which alone might save us. I thought that I had long ago accepted this particular unpalatable truth, but now that I look at in detail I find that I am unable to stop crying. I had so hoped to be wrong. https://www.opendemocracy.net/od-russia/ilya-matveev/russia-inc Posted by: Penelope | Oct 11 2016 0:54 utc | 41 More time wasted reading news. I encountered a singularly unconvincing argument why Trump’s promise to jail Hillary in inappropriate. Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 11 2016 1:07 utc | 42 The tip of the ICEberg? Posted by: ALberto | Oct 11 2016 1:13 utc | 43 schlub@40: Posted by: woogs | Oct 11 2016 1:29 utc | 44 So. MOA intelligentsia is taking the black-pill. Eh? Cuz MSM polling is over-loading — by a factor of 1.6 to 1 — the percentage of democrat to republican voters. Which exceeds ACTUAL democrat turnout in 2008 and 2012 for Obama. Due to YUUUGE black voter turnout. NOT seen before nor during off-year elections. Wow. You guys should be watching CNN. Black-pills galore! Posted by: Take Me | Oct 11 2016 1:30 utc | 45 dan @ 13 said.. Posted by: ben | Oct 11 2016 1:46 utc | 46 Other than nominal (fierce) MSM Hostility, I have no other major evidence that Trump is anything less than a reality showman shill for TPTB. Posted by: Quadriad | Oct 11 2016 1:46 utc | 47 I have just reread my post and feel the need to apologize to anyone I made feel more down about the already depressing situation to do with the US elections. Posted by: Quadriad | Oct 11 2016 1:51 utc | 48 @Take Me #45:
I’ll be watching that until election day.
That does sound like someone who thinks that Hillary will win who hasn’t taken the blue pill. ALberto @ 43
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And this:
Again, great article… thank a lot!!! @ Penelope -41 Posted by: DavidKNZ | Oct 11 2016 2:21 utc | 51 @49: One must first take the black-pill. Look into the abyss. And decide its nothing to fear. Then. Take positive action. BDS is positive action. Posted by: Take Me | Oct 11 2016 2:55 utc | 52 Quadriad @19 Posted by: SingingSam | Oct 11 2016 2:56 utc | 53 The best thing that can happen in this election is a strong showing by Stein Posted by: paul | Oct 11 2016 3:05 utc | 54 jdmckay@50 Posted by: ALberto | Oct 11 2016 3:06 utc | 55 War harpie May continuing on her masters’ orders & agenda, oblivious to what those insignificant miserable little people want, as last June with the BrExit vote. Posted by: schlub | Oct 11 2016 3:11 utc | 56 @8 and others – on the alleged Yemeni missile attack on the US destroyer, which seemed improbable:
Posted by: Grieved | Oct 11 2016 3:46 utc | 57 @ALberto #55: ALberto @ 55: I found this @ Russia Insider; Posted by: V. Arnold | Oct 11 2016 4:55 utc | 60 Grieved 57 Posted by: Peter AU | Oct 11 2016 5:03 utc | 61 Re: Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 10, 2016 8:28:16 PM | 37 @62 Please consider Posted by: Castellio | Oct 11 2016 6:13 utc | 63 Zero Hedge is usually a good headline read, but this…; Posted by: V. Arnold | Oct 11 2016 6:49 utc | 64 For your art collection of the “White Helmet Rescue Foto” Posted by: max | Oct 11 2016 8:41 utc | 65 Posted by: woogs | Oct 10, 2016 3:23:54 PM | 8
I agree.
The US administration has two sides, the War Party and the Lame Duck Party. You are quoting a White House statement. The calls for war have come from the Pentagon and the media. Posted by: Petri Krohn | Oct 11 2016 9:08 utc | 66 Putin electrifies the world oil market
The neo-cons and their opportunistic [f|t]ools – Obama, Clinton, Kerry – chewing gum and walking at the same time is a challenge, sadly unmeetable. To the Russians, chewing gum while tap-dancing while composing sweet, sweet music is all in a day’s work. Posted by: jfl | Oct 11 2016 9:26 utc | 67 You Can’t Have War Without Racism Posted by: LEvel3 | Oct 11 2016 10:18 utc | 68 Julian @ 62: Posted by: Jen | Oct 11 2016 11:20 utc | 70 Turkey will participate in Mosul offensive: Erdogan
He’s talking about the Turkish Army – in Iraq! What he’s saying is that he is the competent power in Iraq, not the Iraqis. Posted by: jfl | Oct 11 2016 11:24 utc | 71 No war crimes charges for US destruction of Fallujah during US occupation “Patrick Cockburn, the Independent’s veteran Middle East correspondent, wrote: “US commanders largely treated Fallujah as a free-fire zone to try to reduce casualties among their own troops.” Posted by: harrylaw | Oct 11 2016 11:56 utc | 72 I hope everyone will vote for Jill Stein. Clinton is going to win; voting Jill Stein will her in to debate. Posted by: okie farmer | Oct 11 2016 12:51 utc | 73 I have never seen such a dirty low down MSM in my life.They are in a tizzy,as Trump kicked her ass,and they are pulling out all stops in misrepresenting that victory as a defeat,as Israel uber alles is under direct threat from Trump. Posted by: dahoit | Oct 11 2016 13:06 utc | 74 @67 Posted by: jfl | Oct 11 2016 13:09 utc | 75 Re: Julian | Oct 11, 2016 1:39:14 AM | 62 Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 11 2016 13:21 utc | 76 Re: Posted by: Jen | Oct 11, 2016 7:20:30 AM | 70 Trump is the first person to my knowledge to publicly state that ISIS is the enemy not the Syrian Government. KKKlinton stuck with the Assad must go crowd. This is major news that the MSM has glossed over. If ISIS is the enemy then Mossad/CIA/MI6 etc., etc. is the enemy. Posted by: ALberto | Oct 11 2016 14:21 utc | 78 Biden told students at the J F Kennedy Jr Forum at the Institute of Politics at Harvard University “Our allies in the region were our largest problem in Syria,” he said, explaining that Turkey, Saudi Arabia and the UAE were “so determined to take down Assad,” that in a sense they started a “proxy Sunni-Shia war” by pouring “hundreds of millions of dollars and tens of thousands of tons of weapons” towards anyone who would fight against Assad. Posted by: harrylaw | Oct 11 2016 14:24 utc | 79 In case I don’t survive moderation over at EW:
Et tu, Rotae? Posted by: stumpy | Oct 11 2016 14:28 utc | 80 @ 43. Posted by: Curtis | Oct 11 2016 14:37 utc | 81 One other thought. Trump has a list of 200 Generals and Admirals who endorse him, Posted by: ALberto | Oct 11 2016 14:47 utc | 82 jfl says: Posted by: john | Oct 11 2016 15:05 utc | 83 @81 stumpy… i wouldn’t worry about it.. bmaz isn’t all that bright anyway, but catchphrases grab his attention, especially any he might resemble.. i think marcy is a smart commentator, but i think she opted to limit her coverage to ‘american’ issues only in a way that really curtailed her potential scope as a writer/blogger… i used to follow her more closely some years back, but since i am not an american, it is hard to get into the nitty gritty of america-centric material. Posted by: james | Oct 11 2016 15:40 utc | 84 about the talking bimbo kerry discussing possible war crimes on russia and syria for aleppo, i wonder why he doesn’t offer up a similar idea for saudi arabia regarding yemen? oh, they are going to re-examine all that or something, while continuing to send all the american made weapons humanly possible at the same time.. bullshit artists of the first order.. hillary’s in the same category… vote for her for more of the same.. Posted by: james | Oct 11 2016 15:44 utc | 85 What if: Posted by: Maybe | Oct 11 2016 15:46 utc | 86 @ 73: Posted by: Maybe | Oct 11 2016 15:53 utc | 87 The GOP and ZIOthugs (usually one and the same) are coming down HARD. Dan Senor best have his Israeli passport ready. Cuz he and his ilk will be eternally hounded and reviled by Deplorables. Go live in bunkers with Soro’s and his vampire squid minions. Sharpening pitchforks will be THE new business strategy for main street. Posted by: Take Me | Oct 11 2016 16:07 utc | 88 After accusing Erdogan of f… a goat, Boris Johnson has found a new inspiration: Russia. Posted by: virgile | Oct 11 2016 16:27 utc | 89 5 Posted by: TheRealDonald | Oct 11 2016 16:34 utc | 90 UK FM slam Russia and antiwar groups! Hysterical. Posted by: Zimba | Oct 11 2016 16:56 utc | 91 @67 jfl Posted by: Grieved | Oct 11 2016 16:59 utc | 92 @Zembla #92 Posted by: From The Hague | Oct 11 2016 17:29 utc | 93 Boris Johnson is barking mad. These pols are like mindless idiots, leading their countries toward open hostilities with the Russians. Things really changing fast geopol turn here, what with the Russians holding their first ever land/airborne drill with Egypt soon somewhere there; last year it was their 1st ever joint naval. Posted by: schlub | Oct 11 2016 17:50 utc | 95 @92 Looking forward to Boris doing his one-man protest at the Russian Embassy. Posted by: dh | Oct 11 2016 17:57 utc | 96 @85 Thanks. Yup. Well put re: Marcy and bmaz. EW has it’s moments, but sometimes the filler is rather unpalatable, not unique to EW of course. Feeding the beast, and all that. Posted by: stumpy | Oct 11 2016 18:02 utc | 97 boris johnson.. another idiot for the war mongering empire – us/uk… speaking of a pariah nation.. he ought to know as he is now the head of one.. Posted by: james | Oct 11 2016 18:04 utc | 98 @98 stumpy.. just missed your post, by posting mine.. i like marcy, but i think she has too limited a focus. oh well.. bmaz reminds me of her pet pit bull, lol.. Posted by: james | Oct 11 2016 18:05 utc | 99 @99 Boris sucks and blows at the same time. Here he is back in 2015…. Posted by: dh | Oct 11 2016 18:12 utc | 100 |
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