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October 10, 2016
Open Thread 2016-33

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On the 8th of november US-citizens can vote about bombings and terror.
A vote for HC is a criminal act.

Posted by: From The Hague | Oct 10 2016 18:20 utc | 1

Do We Really Want A War With Russia? by chris martenson..

Posted by: james | Oct 10 2016 18:28 utc | 2

Wow! I must agree with FTH @1, but then I’ve been anti-Clinton since 1992. It must also be remarked that voting for Obama in 2012 was also a criminal act.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 10 2016 18:31 utc | 3

A pain in the ASSets
In a sign that the Syrian conflict risks escalating into war between the world’s major nuclear-armed powers, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov warned yesterday against NATO air and missile strikes on its forces and allies in Syria, stating that Russia would respond militarily.
Lavrov referred to media reports that the United States plans to bomb Syrian or Russian forces inside Syria. “This is a very dangerous game,” he said, “given that Russia, being in Syria at the invitation of the legitimate government of this country and having two bases there, has air defense systems there to protect its assets.”
http://www.globalresearch.ca/this-is-a-very-dangerous-game-moscow-warns-that-u-s-strikes-against-syria-may-lead-to-war-between-us-and-russia/5550195

Posted by: ALberto | Oct 10 2016 18:34 utc | 4

Latin American briefs…
Argentina: Police officers fired rubber bullets and used tear gas on protesters yesterday, marring the final moments of a high-profile event in Rosario defend women’s rights. (…) “Complaints against the precariousness of employment positions and against ongoing austerity policies were widespread this year because women are the most affected when there is unemployment and unstable working conditions. We noticed those conditions have been evident since December,” said María Petraccaro, a member of the Organization Committee of the 31st ENM, told the Herald.
Venezuela: In recent weeks, all parties to Venezuela´s political conflict have made moves to involve the Vatican in a still-incipient dialogue. This is not insignificant because while the Vatican´s potential to mediate in Venezuela is perhaps the only point the Maduro government and the opposition coalition agree on, previous efforts were unsuccessful.
El Salvador: The National Civilian Police (PNC) and armed forces of El Salvador have killed 693 alleged gang members in armed confrontations in the past twenty months since the government declared “war” on the gangs in January 2015. The pace of the deaths of gang members has increased significantly in 2016 with 424 deaths of gang members at the hands of security forces this year.
Brazil Brazilian President Michel Temer said on Monday the high abstention rate as well as the number of blank and spoiled ballots in local elections on the weekend signaled the disillusionment of Brazilians with their political system.

Posted by: Maracatu | Oct 10 2016 18:42 utc | 5

US Risks War Crimes Accusation for Saudi Support .
U.S. support for the Saudi campaign of air strikes in Yemen could make the it a “co-belligerent” in the war under international law. See the jurisprudentie in the trial of Charles Taylor of Liberia at the International Court of Justice. In a similar fashion, the US accuses Russia and it’s president Putin of war crimes for aiding and abetting Assad in Syria.

Posted by: Oui | Oct 10 2016 18:54 utc | 6

Monday October 10, 2016 – YOU CANNOT MAKE THIS STUFF UP –
French President Francois Hollande has suggested Russia could face war crimes charges over its bombardment of Syria’s second city Aleppo.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37611151

Posted by: ALberto | Oct 10 2016 19:18 utc | 7

Oui@ 6:
The US just accused the Houthis of firing 2 missiles at a US Navy destroyer (that missed so no real evidence of it happening).
Looks to me that, its statement criticizing the Saudis over the airstrike on the Yemeni funeral notwithstanding, the US is doubling down and may be looking towards direct intervention in Yemen.
It makes zero sense for the Houthis to have done this in the wake of UN condemnation, along with the US, UK and some Gulf states criticizing the Saudi atrocity. It would totally negate any good publicity shining a light on Saudi actions had just generated. Therefore, I tend to think the attack on the destroyer did not happen.

Posted by: woogs | Oct 10 2016 19:23 utc | 8

Is there any straightforward way for Trump to dump Pence? What if he could be persuaded to resign? Would the appointment of a replacement be Trump’s prerogative? Neocon Pence cannot be allowed to continue undermining candidate Trump. And a Vice-president Pence would mean President Trump would inevitably be targeted for assassination by the globalists. Another Kennedy-Johnson scenario or Reagan-Bush. Can anything be done?

Posted by: sarz | Oct 10 2016 19:27 utc | 9

@sarz #9:
Is there any straightforward way for Trump to dump Pence? What if he could be persuaded to resign?
I don’t see why Trump couldn’t dump Pence if he wanted to, given that he chose him, but I don’t see how he could win the election if he did that, since it would confirm all the stereotypes about him being “unfit to govern” etc. It wouldn’t matter who he chose as the replacement.
Do you have any links documenting how Pence is a neocon? My impression is that he was just saying what everybody inside the Beltway thinks about Syria. He could have been covering his butt, in case Trump loses and Pence decides to run in 2020.
As far as I know, Pence is standing by Trump’s performance at the debate. Their little spat has given a clear demonstration that Trump genuinely stands completely opposed to current US policy on both Syria and terrorism.
Yes, of course the Kennedy-Johnson scenario is a worry, but I don’t think Trump could have found a suitable candidate who agrees with him on Syria and Russia. With his VP pick, Trump needed to show that he has a connection with orthodox Republicans.

Posted by: Demian | Oct 10 2016 19:46 utc | 10

As soon as Trump chose Pence, I thought of the Kennedy-Johnson situation.

Posted by: lysias | Oct 10 2016 19:54 utc | 11

Pence is not Johnson. Pence doesn’t have a disloyal bone in his body. Trump’s statement that he didn’t talk with Pence about it is true. They just need to get on the same page.

Posted by: Elwood | Oct 10 2016 20:25 utc | 12

Please. Enough already about this ridiculous fucking election. The whole thing is a morbid joke, and half the worlds population are choking back the American bile that has been force-fed to them through various raucous media; it has always been, and for the foreseeable future will be, an utter farce. Don’t buy it. Nothing of any real significance can change with the name of the next psychopathic POTUS. To reach those echelons of power implies either sucking kilometres of oligarchal cock, or brutally stamping all over the face of liberty. In other words, anybody running who has an actual chance of being elected, by definition, isn’t fit to shovel shit, let alone steer the ship of state. So move on. This circus sideshow is so tired.

Posted by: dan | Oct 10 2016 20:33 utc | 13

woogs 8
I doubt if it happened either, but US is part of and enemy state imposing a naval blockade on the country.
The airstrike on the wake took out a large number of local leaders who gathered to pay their respects, so it has US hands all over it.
The claims of attack on the US ship may be to just divert attention from the airstrike.
Currently the Saudi’s take the blame in the media for what is happening in Yemen which suits the US just fine. US does the targeting and Saudi’s wear the blame.

Posted by: Peter AU | Oct 10 2016 20:33 utc | 14

Going back to the false flag discussion it would make sense to stage it in the second week before the election – although Aleppo does carry some urgency. It kills two birds with one stone vis-a-vis Russia and Trump. There are two scenarios:
1. Syria. Probably as b. suggested a fake Russian plane bombing civilians in Aleppo, maybe even a genuine SU-24 courtesy of Ukraine, maybe even the one that downed MH-17…
2. Something completely different, such as a fake Russian attack on one the Baltics. Estonia?
Any thoughts?

Posted by: Lochearn | Oct 10 2016 20:58 utc | 15

re 8

Looks to me that, its statement criticizing the Saudis over the airstrike on the Yemeni funeral notwithstanding, the US is doubling down and may be looking towards direct intervention in Yemen.

Doubt it.

It makes zero sense for the Houthis to have done this in the wake of UN condemnation,

Why should the Houthis be bothered? They are not part of a peace negotiation. I’m only sorry the missile did not hit. Electronics, probably. The Emirati transport was hit. There’ll be a lot of hesitation in enforcing the blockade.

Posted by: Laguerre | Oct 10 2016 20:58 utc | 16

@sarz, lysias, Elwood:
Yeah, Pence took a very strong anti-Russian line after the independence of Crimea. But just about all politicans from both parties do that. I was going to say that he does not have much of an interest in foreign affairs, so that he can’t really be called a neocon, but I found from the Wikipedia article on him that he has been on the foreign affairs committee in Congress. But it needs to be mentioned that until Trump entered the election, there was no percentage in Washington in not taking a hard anti-Russia line. So my intuition is still that Pence’s anti-Russian line is opportunistic, not ideological or a matter of conviction. But still…
Eric Zusse: Chief NATO Lobbyist Urges Trump Be Replaced by Pence

When Pence accepted Trump’s invitation to become his Vice Presidential running-mate, any deals that were made between them — and/or between their respective financial backers — were confidential, and thus are topics only of speculation publicly. However, Jon Huntsman, who was himself a Republican Presidential candidate in 2012, and who had been Obama’s Ambassador to China, would not be publicly endorsing either Pence or Clinton for President now if the top level at NATO — which is the U.S. White House — did not want the voters’ choice to come down to Clinton-v.-Pence, instead of to Clinton-v.-Trump.

This is a remarkable action to advocate, given that, as any Republican will tell you, Trump won his party’s nomination fair and square, whereas Hillary did not.

Posted by: Demian | Oct 10 2016 21:01 utc | 17

The menace of creepy clowns spreads to Australia and New Zealand, after they were already sighted in USA, Canada and UK. Putin and Russia are still not blamed, even though they can surely capitalize. I think RT already covered them.
Perhaps this is just flatting what will be soon obvious: it is too late to avoid one of them becoming “the most powerful person in the World”. Can you imagine an election with Jack’O’Lantern being one of the contenders, and Wicked Witch the other?

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 10 2016 21:06 utc | 18

#15 Lochearn – Su-24
That’s definitely not a fighter. It does have a Gsh 23mm cannon, but I doubt the anti-air targeting is sophisticated on such an old bomber. The best AA missiles it can carry are R-60s which, even if they hit a multi-engine wide body, hardly guarantee a kill (they carry only 2 kg warheads, enough to destroy an engine, but not much more).
Su-25 is CAS/strike plane, so also far from an ideal choice, but the 30mm cannon on that one will rip anything that flies to shreds if it can get close enough (about 1km away should suffice against a large target like a B777). One problem – it’s about as fast as a civilian airliner, so the 777 could probably escape if alerted to the danger. I am still not entirely sold on an Su-25 having killed that MH plane. If I were a Ukie, I’d use an old Mig-21 if I can find it. Totally fit for that purpose.

Posted by: Quadriad | Oct 10 2016 21:13 utc | 19

Laguerre 16
The MSM report on the attack did not read right. Missiles from Yemen to date have been very accurate. They are either shot down or they hit the target.
The report I read at Reuters had a lot of fumbling and mumbling about the missiles falling short of the US ship or “possibly” the ship took defensive action…?
No clear cut statement on a foiled attack so I take it as a propaganda exercise.

Posted by: Peter AU | Oct 10 2016 21:15 utc | 20

Piotr Berman | Oct 10, 2016 5:06:58 PM | 18
What a surprise that the CIA “clowns” are spotted in other US vassal states. Just like the staged “terrorist” attacks, where IDs are “accidentally” dropped on site, and “lone gunman” are killed before interrogation, or “lone car drivers” run over 85 people without getting blood on the car or street.
Don’t expect anything but false flags, propaganda, and presstitutes to report it in the state-run corporate media.

Posted by: Perimetr | Oct 10 2016 21:26 utc | 21

@ 19
Yes, you are correct: SU-25. I liked Pepe Escobar’s analysis of MH-17, which I have a personal interest in:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/CEN-02-150814.html

Posted by: Lochearn | Oct 10 2016 21:27 utc | 22

PeterAU@20:
But why a propaganda exercise the day after making this statement? A weird coincidence?

In a statement, White House National Security Council spokesman Ned Price said that a “troubling series of attacks striking Yemeni civilians” had prompted the US to rethink its position.
“We have initiated an immediate review of our already significantly reduced support to the Saudi-led coalition and are prepared to adjust our support so as to better align with US principles, values and interests, including achieving an immediate and durable end to Yemen’s tragic conflict,” the statement said.
Price warned Riyadh that US-Saudi security cooperation was “not a blank check.”

Posted by: woogs | Oct 10 2016 21:46 utc | 23

re 20
It doesn’t matter very much what happened to the Houthi missile. The blockade is going to be held at a distance, and weakened.

Posted by: Laguerre | Oct 10 2016 22:10 utc | 24

Here’s a thought I’ve been having recently. If there is a good indication, within the US power elite, that Trump is likely to win the election; could Obama declare an emergency and cancel the election? Could there be some November “surprise” false flag event be triggered? I know this is a silly exercise but you have to consider that Trump has virtually no working relationship with the Washington elite and military aristocracy.

Posted by: Bakerpete | Oct 10 2016 22:13 utc | 25

Maracatu 5.
We really don’t get much world news here especially south of the border. There was a recent peace deal between Colombia and FARC and a vote that barely refused the official deal that granted amnesty for crimes. But that didn’t get very far unless people look for world news somewhere. Otherwise we’ve been smothered with anti-Russia BS whether Russian hackers or kids killed in Syria.

Posted by: Curtis | Oct 10 2016 22:24 utc | 26

woogs 8.
The Saudis really screwed up (also didn’t go far in US news) but the Houthi thing got its own exaggeration. It reminds me of Gulf of Tonkin.

Posted by: Curtis | Oct 10 2016 22:27 utc | 27

All this talk about how terrible Trump might be and what the resident oligarchs might do overlooks the simple fact that Trump is a virgin bride. Unlike Hillary who’s allegiances have been bought and paid for in the blood of innocents over the course of decades, Trump can (within limits) choose which master to serve.
Trump represents a fresh opportunity for the highest bidder. His blatant disregard for the patina of acceptable discourse places him on the auction block as a heretofore undiscovered masterwork, worth more alone than the entire collection combined. The upside is he will likely dally while the bid price goes up and in that honeymoon period, open war among the oligarchs might actually come to pass. An opening long overdue. Unfortunately, Amurkins are too complacent, fat, and stupid to know a chance when they see one. It may be generations before another chance to dislodge the aristocracy presents itself.
Either way, politics will soon revolve around much more pressing and local considerations as the effects of thermal-halide cycle destabilization become manifest.

Posted by: Shh | Oct 10 2016 22:28 utc | 28

Curtis@ 27:
Yeah, the same thought crossed my mind.
The Gulf of Tonkin incident also happened during a presidential campaign (August 1964). Lots of opportunity for mischief when the people are distracted.

Posted by: woogs | Oct 10 2016 22:51 utc | 29

Yes, Curtis@26 – I realize Latin America is “off” the radar, but that could change at any moment! …which is precisely why I choose to post what I do (on occasion).

Posted by: Maracatu | Oct 10 2016 22:54 utc | 30

Supposed upcoming battle for Mosul, long in the news, shaping up with another twist.
october 10
http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13950719001275
TEHRAN (FNA)- Troops from the British infantry and SAS have been kitted out with chemical warfare equipment ahead of an all-out assault on the Islamic State-held Iraqi city of Mosul, according to reports.
While the Ministry of Defence is being cagey about the rumors, reports suggest that soldiers from the Rifles infantry regiment are in Iraq and have been issued with special anti-chemical warfare equipment, RT reported.
A ‘boots on the ground’ combat deployment would be highly controversial if publicly acknowledged, with even training duties in the region stirring up public anger in the wake of the disastrous Iraq occupation.

Posted by: schlub | Oct 10 2016 23:01 utc | 31

Accusations that Russia has hacked Dems may be aimed at giving them an excuse to invalidate election if Trump wins

Posted by: Andoheb | Oct 10 2016 23:16 utc | 32

Posted by: Perimetr | Oct 10, 2016 5:26:05 PM | 21 Summary: clown are perhaps the work of the “deep state”, CIA?
I doubt it, because what sense is there is staging “false flag” if you do not pin it on anyone. At the very least, there could be expert analysis that messages seeding the “clown wave” came from servers in Russia or something like that. The scheme could even start by remotely making an account on one of those servers, using a server, say, in Thailand. It could be even a training exercise. [I really missed my vocation as an evil master mind.) An “actual clown” was stopped by police somewhere and he happened to be an 18 year old local kid. Kids have some strange habits, say, shaking lunch money from losers or beating up an immigrant, so just scaring younger girls by dressing as a clown and putting on creepy makeup and asking them if they want some cookies is on a healthier side of the trouble making spectrum.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 10 2016 23:41 utc | 33

Russia might finally to revive Lourdes spy base in Cuba, & Haiti has once again suffered a natural disaster. The death toll is 1000 & climbing. Who is coming to their aid?
Why who else, “rancidly racist” Dominican Republic!
While CARICOM of which Haiti is a full member, and allows all its members visa free travel, this is denied only to Haiti.
The DR is providing all types of support while Panama and Costa Rica have closed their borders to Haiti as well as the land of the Free the USA, while allowing Cubans to come in as much as they want.

Posted by: Fernando | Oct 10 2016 23:52 utc | 34

Here’s a MoA-style story by Land Destroyer:
Blatant Lie: AP “Fact Checks” Directly Contradict AP’s Own Reporting on Syria

AP’s article, “AP FACT CHECK: Trump wrong that Assad fights IS,” claims …
For the Syrian and Russian soldiers and airmen who bravely died fighting ISIS in combat AP itself reported on, no greater disservice could be done than to deny such combat even took place. AP’s recent “AP FACT CHECK” was meant to portray recent political debates in a certain light, but instead, it has only managed to cast AP itself as illegitimate, deceitful, and untrustworthy.

Also, liberal outfits like The Nation and The New Yorker are ignoring Trump’s remark to the effect that there are no moderate rebels, saying instead that he has no idea about what to do about Allepo, or that he is confused about whether or not he knows Russia. The shilling for the pro-war candidate and ignoring Trump’s anti-war message by The Nation is particularly deplorable.

Posted by: Demian | Oct 11 2016 0:00 utc | 35

woogs @8, Curtis @27
cf. Yemen missile –
Also struck me as weird timing. My first idea was that the Saudis fired it themselves to draw US in, from near Najran maybe, but that’s just guessing. Anyway, if nothing new happens now, it won’t later either. Such things are either quickly scandalized or quickly forgotten.

Posted by: smuks | Oct 11 2016 0:06 utc | 36

This is one example that Trump is despicable. And he is pretty well rounded in that respect. Somehow I learned about this story only now:
Guilty, Despite DNA Evidence
by BENJY SARLIN
Wading into a racially-charged case from his past, Donald Trump indicated that the “Central Park Five” were guilty, despite being officially exonerated by DNA evidence decades after a notorious 1989 rape case.
“They admitted they were guilty,” Trump said to CNN in a statement.
“The police doing the original investigation say they were guilty. The fact that that case was settled with so much evidence against them is outrageous. And the woman, so badly injured, will never be the same.”
The five men were convicted as teenagers after implicating each other under intense questioning over a brutal sexual assault on a jogger that dominated the tabloids. Defenders said they were coerced into confessing and all five were later cleared by DNA evidence and a separate confession in 2002 from another criminal who took credit for the assault.
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I agree that Trump says sensible things on Syria and Crimea, but he seems to be wrong pretty much on everything else (including Israel, Iraq and Iran, so it is hard to see how he can offer a strategy; security establishment would make short work of his attempts to change things). He cannot be put in the same rank as thoughtful paleo-cons or principled libertarians. Both The Nation and Counterpunch offer a variety of opinions (whatever you believe, they cannot be all right), but I like the idea of concentrating on the next step, which is expanding peace movement, or, as I would prefer, “advocacy of sensible foreign policy”.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 11 2016 0:28 utc | 37

#31 schlub
Someone’s cleaning up the evidence, both to do with WMDs and ISIS. They should be in a good position to assess chemical weapons risks considering how instrumental UK has been in the “original” Iraqi research.
#27 Gulf of Tonkin
Similarities with that “incident” in more ways than one. Having said that, the Houthi missiles can now certainly reach a nice chunk of KSA if desire there be.

Posted by: Quadriad | Oct 11 2016 0:28 utc | 38

This comment by Pence was certainly ominous, even just in terms of the amount of decision-making power Pence might expect as Vice President:
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/296507-pence-i-hold-cheney-in-really-high-regard-in-his-role-as

Posted by: RudyM | Oct 11 2016 0:36 utc | 39

I just read Jim Stone’s daily rant on his take of the ‘debate’, & I fear he’s right on.
Any giant gap, far & away in favor of the Donald showing right after the debate, has been nearly erased.
Just like there’s no big gap according to the msm in the numbers of people attending the two’s rallies.
Hildabeast widens lead in 2-horse race!
http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2016/10/10/488505/US-Hillary-Clinton-Donald-Trump-poll
In a two-way race, Clinton now enjoys 52 percent of support compared to 38 percent Trump has among likely voters nationally, the poll shows.
In a four-way matchup, which includes Libertarian Gary Johnson and Green Party candidate Jill Stein, Clinton has 46 percent support against 35 percent of Trump.

Posted by: schlub | Oct 11 2016 0:53 utc | 40

I was going to write a nice, neat, condensed little summary for you. I have accepted the responsibility to find the unpopular facts which will lead us further along the path to the truth, which alone might save us. I thought that I had long ago accepted this particular unpalatable truth, but now that I look at in detail I find that I am unable to stop crying. I had so hoped to be wrong. https://www.opendemocracy.net/od-russia/ilya-matveev/russia-inc

Posted by: Penelope | Oct 11 2016 0:54 utc | 41

More time wasted reading news. I encountered a singularly unconvincing argument why Trump’s promise to jail Hillary in inappropriate.
My subscription money for NYT at work:
[After promising accountability] But Mr. Obama later made clear that he opposed investigating Bush administration veterans for the torture of terrorism suspects, saying, “We need to look forward as opposed to looking backwards.”
Still, Mr. Holder decided in August 2009 to open a narrower investigation into whether the C.I.A. abused detainees in ways that went beyond official policy, reopening cases prosecutors closed without charges under the Bush administration. That investigation ended in 2012 without any new charges.
On his Twitter account Sunday night, Mr. Holder pronounced Mr. Trump “dangerous” and “not qualified.”
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Good democratic tradition is to sweep horrific crimes under the rug if they are politically inconvenient or if they would break what remains of “bipartisan conviviality”. Now, if someone concluded that the foreign policy in years 2009-2012 (Clinton’s tenure) involved severe violations of international law, which is also the law of the land in USA because of treaties, with horrific consequences, and thus should be subjected to criminal investigators by a jurist that is not connected to the security establishment, I would be all for it. Too bad that Trump advocated armed robbery (take their oil) and torture, and the public, by and large, has no inkling that it is illegal, harmful to direct victims and harmful to our interests. And this lack of awareness is partially created by people like Holder who whitewash the crimes.
If anything, Trump at least is proving, in a perverse way, that whitewashing of crimes does not pay, at the very least, it does not create the feeling of gratitude. OTOH, perhaps whitewashing only somewhat lucrative, but not whitewashing is outright dangerous to life, limb and the rest of the family? Nevertheless, there is a price in creating a popular conviction that “they can get away with everything”.
And if Trump promises to be the prosecutor, jury and executioner, Obama already does it, so only the direction of executive attention may tilt a bit.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 11 2016 1:07 utc | 42

The tip of the ICEberg?
ICELAND JAILS BANKERS 46 YEARS
http://investmentwatchblog.com/iceland-jail-top-bankers-for-46-years-europe-outraged/

Posted by: ALberto | Oct 11 2016 1:13 utc | 43

schlub@40:
Meanwhile, Trump holds 2 rallies today in Pennsylvania. Packed house at both.

Posted by: woogs | Oct 11 2016 1:29 utc | 44

So. MOA intelligentsia is taking the black-pill. Eh? Cuz MSM polling is over-loading — by a factor of 1.6 to 1 — the percentage of democrat to republican voters. Which exceeds ACTUAL democrat turnout in 2008 and 2012 for Obama. Due to YUUUGE black voter turnout. NOT seen before nor during off-year elections. Wow. You guys should be watching CNN. Black-pills galore!

Posted by: Take Me | Oct 11 2016 1:30 utc | 45

dan @ 13 said..
“Please. Enough already about this ridiculous fucking election. The whole thing is a morbid joke, and half the worlds population are choking back the American bile that has been force-fed to them through various raucous media; it has always been, and for the foreseeable future will be, an utter farce. Don’t buy it. Nothing of any real significance can change with the name of the next psychopathic POTUS. To reach those echelons of power implies either sucking kilometres of oligarchal cock, or brutally stamping all over the face of liberty. In other words, anybody running who has an actual chance of being elected, by definition, isn’t fit to shovel shit, let alone steer the ship of state. So move on. This circus sideshow is so tired.”
Posted by: dan | Oct 10, 2016 4:33:30 PM | 13
Thanks for that dan. So fucking true!!!!

Posted by: ben | Oct 11 2016 1:46 utc | 46

Other than nominal (fierce) MSM Hostility, I have no other major evidence that Trump is anything less than a reality showman shill for TPTB.
I have little doubt that a Trump win is still in the cards, but not for all the right reasons. Simply, it’s most likely a controlled vent for the disaffected, a change back to making America great again that the average Joe can, and will want to, believe in, a giant non-departure from the status quo. A bit like the Tea Party version of that Uncle Tom BHO.
In other words, he might not be quite as sickening (and as sickly) as HRC is, but I won’t hold my breath for anything big and substantial coming from the Orange Buffoon.
Furthermore, he will provide a perfect cover, and a major Orange Herring for all dealings nefarious. Something to blame the coming big interest rate hike, and economic collapse on (TRUMP and PUTIN did it!!). Someone to exemplify how “stupid masses should maybe not be allowed the right to vote against their own best interest” or whatever. An elitist card blanche for any kind of economic or political false flag they might choose to launch during his 1-term reign. The living proof that a real revolution could only make the things worse. Surrender fucking Dorothy!

Posted by: Quadriad | Oct 11 2016 1:46 utc | 47

I have just reread my post and feel the need to apologize to anyone I made feel more down about the already depressing situation to do with the US elections.
I am hoping that someone like Trump (or a bit more sane or decent) can still make a difference. I am just not overly hopeful or optimistic.
The devils advocate in me says “let Hitlery win (better yet, let her win dubiously), and then let the US Economy collapse. The pitchforks will come out, and the scum and their Zio-Federal Praetorian guards will then be truly dealt with by the screwed over masses”. Should this happen before the crazy bitch from hell starts WW3, maybe things could get way better, not to mention safer, by the time my kids are grown up.

Posted by: Quadriad | Oct 11 2016 1:51 utc | 48

@Take Me #45:
MSM polling is over-loading — by a factor of 1.6 to 1 — the percentage of democrat to republican voters.
I have a feeling that the USC Dornsife/Los Angeles Times tracking poll doesn’t do that.

We update the data each day based on the weighted average of poll responses over the previous week. That means results have less volatility than some other polls, but also means the poll lags somewhat in responding to major events in the campaign.

I’ll be watching that until election day.
Hehe, had to look up black pill. Naughty naughty.

The Black Piller … chooses neither the palliatives of illusion nor the challenge of positive action. He stares into the abyss—passively because his actions will never be capable of changing it—and, as Nietzsche so pertinently observed, the abyss stares back.

That does sound like someone who thinks that Hillary will win who hasn’t taken the blue pill.

Posted by: Demian | Oct 11 2016 1:56 utc | 49

ALberto @ 43
Thanks a lot for posting this!!! This is how it should be done.
>> ICELAND JAILS BANKERS 46 YEARS
From your link:

According to Iceland Monitor, the bankers are found guilty of crimes relating to deceitfully financing share purchases – the bank lent money for the purchase of the shares while using its own shares as collateral for the loans.
They are also found guilty of creating a misleading demand for Kaupthing shares by means of deception and pretense.

(My bold)
Would be a much different USA and world if we had done this: eg. everybody subject to the same rules.
Article continues:

These guilty verdicts are just the latest in Iceland’s unprecedented clampdown since the economic crash. Authorities have been pursuing bank bosses, chief executives, civil servants and corporate looters for crimes ranging from insider trading to fraud, money laundering, misleading markets, breach of duties and lying to officials.
Meanwhile the economy that collapsed so spectacularly has rebounded after letting its banks go bust, imposing capital controls and protecting its own citizens rather than the elite bank bosses responsible for the mess.
This determination to hold people to account for actions that caused intense financial misery contrasts strongly with the U.K., the rest of Europe and the US. Yes, fines were imposed on the 20 biggest banks for transgressions such as market manipulation, money-laundering and mis-selling mortgages, but these costs> fall on shareholders and, by hampering the banks’ ability to lend, they also punish the rest of society.

And this:

Last year, the International Monetary Fund declared that Iceland had achieved economic recovery “without compromising its welfare model” or unduly punishing its citizens for crimes committed by its bankers.
Iceland is right to jail it’s bankers – and the US and Europe is wrong to merely slap a few wrists and give the green light to future outrages.

Again, great article… thank a lot!!!

Posted by: jdmckay | Oct 11 2016 2:02 utc | 50

@ Penelope -41
Rockefeller Brothers Grants to OpenDemocracy
$20,000 for 1 year Awarded: May 23, 2016
For its openDemocracy.net and Arab Awakening projects.
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Paid pets – so why are we surprised???

Posted by: DavidKNZ | Oct 11 2016 2:21 utc | 51

@49: One must first take the black-pill. Look into the abyss. And decide its nothing to fear. Then. Take positive action. BDS is positive action.
Only fukwits and fools vote for others to save them. Pffft. This election is to dismantle the hegemon. To defang ZIOthugocracy. From within. Because NO ONE will survive otherwise. Americans OWE the world THAT much.
Trump is our best shot to effect these changes peace-ably. And I’m doing my bit. Cuz I took the black pill. And it doesn’t scare me one fucking bit. Bring it, bitches.

Posted by: Take Me | Oct 11 2016 2:55 utc | 52

Quadriad @19
The Su-25 has two MiG-21 engines and, stripped of external armaments, can go supersonic. With a few small air to air missiles under the wings a Su-25 remains fast enough to take out a 777 flying straight and level at mach 0.75. The Su-25’s typical CAS role gives it the extra advantage of being able to do the job while appearing to be an unlikely choice.
The Wings program on the Discovery Channel had an episode about the Su-25 in the mid 1990s, long before the debate began concerning its speed and altitude limitations. Somewhere 9:30~10:30 in the video is the statement that it can go supersonic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_rc-dW4z6Q
That said, I wouldn’t rule out a MiG-29.

Posted by: SingingSam | Oct 11 2016 2:56 utc | 53

The best thing that can happen in this election is a strong showing by Stein

Posted by: paul | Oct 11 2016 3:05 utc | 54

jdmckay@50
I was stationed 1968-1969 one year at Keflavik Iceland while serving the the USN. Spent my leisure time fishing off of the pier in Keflavik and occasional trips to Rekjavik. Great people. Warm, friendly and proud. Homogeneous lot. Everyone is related to one another. Vikings all. You don’t f*#k with Vikings.
The bankers and their social engineers, Soros, et al, seek to dilute a countries homogeneity in order to weaken public resolve. What is occurring in Europe and the U.S. is a designed crime against humanity. The intentional watering down of native populations in order to facilitate financial and economic crime. Perhaps brave viking Iceland will help lead the world back to sanity. A world where fraud is a crime.
Just my opinion

Posted by: ALberto | Oct 11 2016 3:06 utc | 55

War harpie May continuing on her masters’ orders & agenda, oblivious to what those insignificant miserable little people want, as last June with the BrExit vote.
http://english.almanar.com.lb/59552
A group of British MPs called on Monday for a parliamentary vote on Britain’s future relations with the EU, warning the option of a hard Brexit that has hit the pound would be a “grave danger”.
Soubry said there was a “grave danger” of the government drawing its own conclusions from the result of the referendum about the type of future relationship that Britons wanted with the EU.

Posted by: schlub | Oct 11 2016 3:11 utc | 56

@8 and others – on the alleged Yemeni missile attack on the US destroyer, which seemed improbable:

“Official response from #Yemen capital Sanaa : We did not target any vessel. Pentagon claim is false.” – Haykal Bafana (with link to news source in Arabic) https://twitter.com/BaFana3/status/785422830695550976

Posted by: Grieved | Oct 11 2016 3:46 utc | 57

@ALberto #55:
I was stationed 1968-1969 one year at Keflavik Iceland while serving the the USN.
So you were in the USN? (I worked for it for a couple of summers as a civilian, so that’s the branch of the US military that I have any direct experience with.)
What do you think of this: The Destruction of TWA Flight 800
I only learned about the theory that the USN shot down that plane by mistake from that blog post. So it turns out that concocting false accounts about an airliner getting shot down is nothing new for USG.
The reason USG didn’t come clean and admit they unintentionally shot the airliner down by the way is that Bill Clinton was worried that that might hurt his chances for reelection, back in 1996.
If you watch the films at that link and read the books, I think you’ll find the case for all this is pretty solid. There’s a lot more public information out there to build a solid case on than there is for MH17 being shot down by the Yukies, or for any non-official account of 9/11.

Posted by: Demian | Oct 11 2016 3:56 utc | 58

ALberto @ 55:
Thanks for sharing about your experiences in Iceland. I’ve never been there, but what you describe is consistent with what I know of them reading from afar.
> What is occurring in Europe and the U.S. is a designed crime against humanity.
In many ways but especially wrt subject at hand (financial fraud), I full agree.
> The intentional watering down of native populations in order to facilitate financial and economic crime. < Fully agree. I've done a lot of environmental work here in New Mexico, and this is very evident with what's been done to the Navajo's. The Shiprock Uranium Tailing “accident” has devastated several generation’s health. This story is even worse then described in well written article I linked.
As far as increasingly brazen global financial crime (many think we’re floating on another housing bubble w/commensurate fraudulent bonds just like last time), I think you can leave out “native”: these crooks are equal opportunity fraudsters.
> Perhaps brave viking Iceland will help lead the world back to sanity. A world where fraud is a crime. < Perhaps. However here (US) finance industry is intertwined with our politics in almost symbiotic ways. It will take political leaders of extraordinary courage and integrity, far beyond anythitng I've seen from any of them. I honestly believe the banksters would take our country (and the world?) down before giving up their free ride at our expense. Most folks don't have even an inkling how thoroughly these arrangements suck the life out of the potential of our economy. Trump & Hillary certainly are not even close. Stein has articulated this surprisingly well. Anyway, thanks again for the post. I haven't seen this anywhere. I forwarded it to Yves (Naked Capitalism) and several other well read financial blogs. Going to give Bloomberg a shot too. 🙂

Posted by: jdmckay | Oct 11 2016 4:22 utc | 59

I found this @ Russia Insider;
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/russians-halt-search-intelligent-life-washington/ri16910
Har, har, har; very funny, if not spot on…

Posted by: V. Arnold | Oct 11 2016 4:55 utc | 60

Grieved 57
Thanks Greived. Seemed unlikely as the US were tripping up on their own tongue.
Fell short, might have been defensive measures bla bla, but no direct statement.

Posted by: Peter AU | Oct 11 2016 5:03 utc | 61

Re: Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 10, 2016 8:28:16 PM | 37
No one can possibly know what Trump would do, offer would be able to do, or would be allowed to do if he were elected, but one thing is certain and easy – the first thing he should do is fire anyone advocating the insane policies in regards to Syria & Ukraine in particular.
Just of the top of my head I could give you a list of 20 or so of these neocon warmongers who would have to go asap n 2017 and I know there are people in his campaign who would knows the very same list with I assume a great deal more detail.
Who do I know would have this list already drawn up?
Major- General Michael Flynn. Perhaps even Martin Dempsey as well. Certainly Pat Buchanan and Rand Paul as well.
Let’s see – Top 10 to go would be
James Comey
Samantha Power
Victoria Nuland
Ashton Carter
James Clapper
John Kerry
Susan Rice
Geoffrey Pyatt
Loretta Lynch
John Kirby
Mark Toner
Ok – that’s 11, and the last couple are just annoying moronic lackies – but it’s a good start.

Posted by: Julian | Oct 11 2016 5:39 utc | 62

@62 Please consider
Jeffrey D. Feltman, United Nations Under-Secretary-General for Political Affairs
Stanley Fischer, Federal Reserve Vice Chairman

Posted by: Castellio | Oct 11 2016 6:13 utc | 63

Zero Hedge is usually a good headline read, but this…;
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-10/why-do-they-hate-us-so-one-western-scholars-reply-worried-russian-student
…is quite a good brief history of U.S./western, USSR/Russian realtions over the last 100 years.

Posted by: V. Arnold | Oct 11 2016 6:49 utc | 64

Posted by: woogs | Oct 10, 2016 3:23:54 PM | 8

The US just accused the Houthis of firing 2 missiles at a US Navy destroyer (that missed so no real evidence of it happening).
It makes zero sense for the Houthis to have done this in the wake of UN condemnation, along with the US, UK and some Gulf states criticizing the Saudi atrocity. It would totally negate any good publicity shining a light on Saudi actions had just generated. Therefore, I tend to think the attack on the destroyer did not happen.

I agree.
I started a wiki page about the alleged attack on ACLOS, but I see Sputnik was the first to come out with the false-flag angle.
New Gulf of Tonkin Incident? US Destroyer ‘Attacked Off Yemen Coast’
Posted by: woogs | Oct 10, 2016 5:46:39 PM | 23

But why a propaganda exercise the day after making this statement? A weird coincidence?
In a statement, White House National Security Council spokesman Ned Price said that a “troubling series of attacks striking Yemeni civilians” had prompted the US to rethink its position.

The US administration has two sides, the War Party and the Lame Duck Party. You are quoting a White House statement. The calls for war have come from the Pentagon and the media.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Oct 11 2016 9:08 utc | 66

Putin electrifies the world oil market

Putin’s speech at the Istanbul conference as such stole the limelight, where he declared that Russia is ready to join the OPEC’s proposed cap on oil production, which the cartel hoped to finalise at its meeting next month.
Putin said, “in the current situation we think that [an oil output] freeze or even an oil production cut is likely to be the only right decision to maintain the stability of the global energy sector… Russia is ready to join the joint measures to cap production and is calling for other oil exporters to join.” (Reuters)
The Saudi Energy Minister Khalid Al-Falih, who is attending the Istanbul conference, responded that he is now “optimistic” about reaching a deal to determine the output caps at the forthcoming OPEC meet on 30 November. He said, “It is not unthinkable that we could see $60 by year-end.”
Clearly, there has been a dramatic shift in the Russian and Saudi strategy away from unfettered oil production. Equally, what emerges is a high level of coordination between Moscow and Riyadh. An ‘axis’ is in the making, with Russia elbowing out the US gradually and replacing it as Saudi Arabia’s strategic partner in Middle East’s energy politics.
Significantly, Moscow does not see any contradiction insofar as Saudi Arabia is arrayed against the Russian-Iranian axis in the Syrian conflict. It shows a high level of confidence in Moscow’s multi-vector regional diplomacy and an overall Russian assertiveness to face up to the traditional western hegemony in the Middle East.
To be sure, Tehran will be closely watching the Russian-Saudi collaboration over OPEC production cap. Iran is a full-fledged player in OPEC, too. Iran appears to have been banking on Russia to ultimately showing reluctance to join any deal to cap oil production. Conceivably, Putin’s statement in Istanbul will need time to sink in. Iran’s top priority is to regain its original share of the world oil market before the western sanctions clicked in.

The neo-cons and their opportunistic [f|t]ools – Obama, Clinton, Kerry – chewing gum and walking at the same time is a challenge, sadly unmeetable. To the Russians, chewing gum while tap-dancing while composing sweet, sweet music is all in a day’s work.

Posted by: jfl | Oct 11 2016 9:26 utc | 67

You Can’t Have War Without Racism
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/09/29/you-cant-have-war-without-racism/

Posted by: LEvel3 | Oct 11 2016 10:18 utc | 68

Very nice and thanks for sharing…

Posted by: طراحی سایت | Oct 11 2016 11:02 utc | 69

Julian @ 62:
Michelle Flournoy is a known warmonger within the US Defense Department and tipped to be Defense Secretary if Killer Klinton becomes President.
With Victoria Nuland as State Secretary, this line-up makes the witches of William Shakespeare’s Scottish play look harmless.

Posted by: Jen | Oct 11 2016 11:20 utc | 70

Turkey will participate in Mosul offensive: Erdogan

“The Turkish Army does not take orders from the Iraqi Prime Minister Haider Al-Abadi,” Erdogan asserted on Tuesday.

He’s talking about the Turkish Army – in Iraq! What he’s saying is that he is the competent power in Iraq, not the Iraqis.
If there’s anyone who needs his ass kicked hard in the ME it’s Erdogan.

Posted by: jfl | Oct 11 2016 11:24 utc | 71

No war crimes charges for US destruction of Fallujah during US occupation “Patrick Cockburn, the Independent’s veteran Middle East correspondent, wrote: “US commanders largely treated Fallujah as a free-fire zone to try to reduce casualties among their own troops.”
The outcome of this unrestrained violence was 800 dead in the first week of fighting, according to one Red Cross official. In January 2005, the director of the main hospital told the UN that 700 bodies — including 550 women and children — had been recovered from just a third of the city’s neighbourhoods.
Local authorities said about 60 percent of all houses in the city were totally destroyed or seriously damaged while the Fallujah Compensation Committee reported that 9,000 shops, 65 mosques, 60 schools and a heritage library had been demolished. Hundreds of thousands of people were displaced.
In the aftermath of the 1991 Gulf war US academic Edward Herman penned his seminal essay The Banality of Evil about the normalisation of “ugly, degrading, murderous and unspeakable acts.”
As another commentator said ..They [the French]should bring the guillotine just for Hollende.

Posted by: harrylaw | Oct 11 2016 11:56 utc | 72

I hope everyone will vote for Jill Stein. Clinton is going to win; voting Jill Stein will her in to debate.

Posted by: okie farmer | Oct 11 2016 12:51 utc | 73

I have never seen such a dirty low down MSM in my life.They are in a tizzy,as Trump kicked her ass,and they are pulling out all stops in misrepresenting that victory as a defeat,as Israel uber alles is under direct threat from Trump.
That is the election,US or the monsters.
And people who refuse to acknowledge that truth must be propagandists of the same vein and ethnicity.
The American people are tired of all this shite,war forever,outsourcing and a corrupt media intent on a foreign entities survival at our expense.
Ryan;The new windsurfer.Vote him out!
They had a pict at the lying times of the Hell bitch at a rally taking a selfie.The stands were half filled.
Manufacturing consent.Nein.

Posted by: dahoit | Oct 11 2016 13:06 utc | 74

@67
World Energy Congress in Istanbul
@73 OF
Mailed off my ballot this morning. First time in my life I voted a straight party, Green Party. I will never vote for an elephant or jackass again. We all know the definition of insanity …
Hope that other alternatives surface between now and 2018, 2020, 2022, 2024 …
We can make it if we try. If it were left up to you (it is), would you try?

Posted by: jfl | Oct 11 2016 13:09 utc | 75

Re: Julian | Oct 11, 2016 1:39:14 AM | 62
This is a bit of speculation, unless he promised something. He could also nominate Bolton.
I agree that it is positive that Trump undermined the Establishment consensus, but he is also a discredited messenger. In any case, folks that care about foreign policy seem tiny minority, so I am with okie farmer.
Politically, I think the first item on peace/morality/sensibility agenda is Yemen. S…t there has only one justification: whims of paranoid princes and fat weapon contracts that stem from those whims, while inflicting huge humanitarian cost in the name of “restoring the power of the legitimate, democratically elected president”, who run unopposed (unlike Assad), and that lack of opposition was achieved with assassinations. Additionally, Hadi seems to have no support whatsoever, even the Yemenis that “fight for him” have very different agenda, like secessionist southerners. Finally, the Establishment did not even bother creating an alternative reality to justify it, finding it more feasible to give it status of “unimportant war”.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 11 2016 13:21 utc | 76

Re: Posted by: Jen | Oct 11, 2016 7:20:30 AM | 70
Yep, Flournoy is another one. With Flynn there looking over his shoulder I’m confident he will, if elected, fire at least a two dozen of the obvious Neo Cons or Neo Con ‘fellow travelers’ within days of assuming office.
There’s no doubt Bolton is a nutcase. I doubt Flynn would be any sort of fan of Bolton. I think Trump perhaps likes him because Bolton is a nutcase and says nutcasey things, he’s a hard-arse nutcase and often says things other more ‘diplomatic’ folks won’t say.
Hello – sounds a bit like Trump himself.
It would obviously be a mistake for Trump to give Bolton any sort of position in his administration though i also have no doubt that he would – which would be a problem. I do feel however it wouldn’t be too long before Bolton discredit himself in some way if given that renewed responsibility.
From what I can tell of Trump his broader foreign policy in a military sense is.
1. Destroy ISIS
2. Work with Russia, and Assad even, and maybe even Iran (in Syria at least) to destroy ISIS. But particualrly – work with Russia and amend that relationship.
3. Isolate China. Wedge Russia & China to achieve China’s isolation
4. Pursue justice for 9-11. IE – Target Saudi Arabia, and perhaps Qatar.
Given all this, if I were to pick the 2 countries that should be most worried about a President Trump it would be Saudi Arabia – I believe there’s a fair chance Trump would turn on Saudi Arabia and come to the conclusion that the US should occupy the country and take their oil wealth. And at the other end of the globe – North Korea.
Going against North Korea would be Trump’s way of isolating China. But I doubt that adventure could get started in Trump’s first term, and I frankly doubt he could possibly win re-election in 2020.

Posted by: Jules | Oct 11 2016 14:06 utc | 77

Trump is the first person to my knowledge to publicly state that ISIS is the enemy not the Syrian Government. KKKlinton stuck with the Assad must go crowd. This is major news that the MSM has glossed over. If ISIS is the enemy then Mossad/CIA/MI6 etc., etc. is the enemy.

Posted by: ALberto | Oct 11 2016 14:21 utc | 78

Biden told students at the J F Kennedy Jr Forum at the Institute of Politics at Harvard University “Our allies in the region were our largest problem in Syria,” he said, explaining that Turkey, Saudi Arabia and the UAE were “so determined to take down Assad,” that in a sense they started a “proxy Sunni-Shia war” by pouring “hundreds of millions of dollars and tens of thousands of tons of weapons” towards anyone who would fight against Assad.
“And we could not convince our colleagues to stop supplying them,” said Biden, thus disassociating the US from unleashing the civil war in Syria.
“The outcome of such a policy now is more visible,” he said, as it turned out they supplied extremists from Al-Nusra Front and Al-Qaeda”.
No shit Sherlock.

Posted by: harrylaw | Oct 11 2016 14:24 utc | 79

In case I don’t survive moderation over at EW:
https://www.emptywheel.net/2016/10/11/provenance-putin-sid-blumenthal-story/

Stumpy says:
October 11, 2016 at 10:18 am EST
This simply highlights the ongoing problem of corrupt attribution, amplified by the overripe self-proclaimed intelligentsia of bloggers who’ve met the threshold of followers to be recognized in the echo chamber of its respective masses. Yet another case of who said what 3 to 4 times removed from the actual source. A cyber spitball. There is nothing in this article that survives a chain-of-custody test, which is bad enough, but judging another equally authoritative author’s work to be namby pamby when the root issue is people dying from Cabinet-level incompetence is contemptible.

Et tu, Rotae?

Posted by: stumpy | Oct 11 2016 14:28 utc | 80

@ 43.
Also thanks for the good news. During the so called Economic Crisis of 2008, Iceland was the one country that did the right thing. And back when I had cable, I looked for CNBC or any other network to cover the story. Nope! Not happening! They didn’t want to give any of US any bright ideas. The news made it to the US but only via the alt-media and sits like ZeroHedge.

Posted by: Curtis | Oct 11 2016 14:37 utc | 81

One other thought. Trump has a list of 200 Generals and Admirals who endorse him,
http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/27/donald-trump-ill-take-the-endorsements-of-admirals-generals-over-political-hacks/

Posted by: ALberto | Oct 11 2016 14:47 utc | 82

jfl says:
Mailed off my ballot this morning. First time in my life I voted a straight party, Green Party
so, you hang out here at MOA practically all day every day railing against Empire, and then go and consummate all this dissent by voting in their corrupt and completely dysfunctional system, casting an utterly useless vote just to register your outright compliance with their flimflam.
so, congratulations, way to go, pal.

Posted by: john | Oct 11 2016 15:05 utc | 83

@81 stumpy… i wouldn’t worry about it.. bmaz isn’t all that bright anyway, but catchphrases grab his attention, especially any he might resemble.. i think marcy is a smart commentator, but i think she opted to limit her coverage to ‘american’ issues only in a way that really curtailed her potential scope as a writer/blogger… i used to follow her more closely some years back, but since i am not an american, it is hard to get into the nitty gritty of america-centric material.

Posted by: james | Oct 11 2016 15:40 utc | 84

about the talking bimbo kerry discussing possible war crimes on russia and syria for aleppo, i wonder why he doesn’t offer up a similar idea for saudi arabia regarding yemen? oh, they are going to re-examine all that or something, while continuing to send all the american made weapons humanly possible at the same time.. bullshit artists of the first order.. hillary’s in the same category… vote for her for more of the same..

Posted by: james | Oct 11 2016 15:44 utc | 85

What if:
Obama opens a prosecution at Hitlery and the C Foundation?
No more Dem candidate.
No more elections.
Obama forever.

Posted by: Maybe | Oct 11 2016 15:46 utc | 86

@ 73:
Careful what you wish for.
The Greens in Germany started as a anti establishment peace party and are now the most radical fascists and assholes in german politics.
They betrayed everyone and everything.
Their Jill Stein aka Joschka Fischer is the worst fuck in german politics.He made the greenys a war party and to this day they are the loudest to cry for sanctions to russia and are backing every lie about russias role in Syria.
Fuck the greens(and every other party)

Posted by: Maybe | Oct 11 2016 15:53 utc | 87

The GOP and ZIOthugs (usually one and the same) are coming down HARD. Dan Senor best have his Israeli passport ready. Cuz he and his ilk will be eternally hounded and reviled by Deplorables. Go live in bunkers with Soro’s and his vampire squid minions. Sharpening pitchforks will be THE new business strategy for main street.

Posted by: Take Me | Oct 11 2016 16:07 utc | 88

After accusing Erdogan of f… a goat, Boris Johnson has found a new inspiration: Russia.
In view of the ‘brilliant’ politicians we have seen coming from the UK, Boris Johnson fits very well in the pattern.
God save the Queen!

Posted by: virgile | Oct 11 2016 16:27 utc | 89

5
Thanks for that. Imagine the world of 2017 with Trump-Clinton and a $T Pentagon Wehrmacht launching GW5 is it? Let’s see, Iraq, Iraq, Libya, Syria, yupp, GW5, while 70% and soon 80% of Chinese financing is going to support upside-down R/R over-development, then Brexit bowout, then Deutsche Bank. Wow. “So we told them to evacuate, we were going to pull it.”
Here’s what I found convincing to chipnik’s thesis that Sanders and Trump are just Clinton’s wingmen, holding down the (far) Right and Left electorate so she can stay Center-Right and win by double-digits: Trump spent much of the debate talking about Clinton’s e-mails, which were already wiped, no indictments, closed case, but did not utter one word about her Super PACs, or her $110,000,000 pay-for-play treason treasure, or the $B Clinton Foundation monstrosity!!
That’s Ground Zero fire-for-effect, but Trump flew right past, and dropped his bombast in the pastoral countryside of her steam-cleaned e-mails, where nobody cared, except the Rabbinical Far Right Crypto-Fascists that he’s taking over the cliff with him in November.
Where was the debate?! What were the issues!? Bawdy locker room talk and dirty e-mails?! Juno Hilo Charlie! There truly is only One Party of Mil.Gov.Fed.Biz, chipnik was right. This is all just a monstrous psyop of cognitive dissonance and stress positioning to motivate and mobilize the Zeks and Kulaks, get their emotional buy-in, and in doing that, by crack-spreading the Left and Right away from the Center, as they’ve done, the One Party is deliberately setting up Civil War, …exactly the same way the Israeli Junta Coup leaders took down Ukraine.
This tells me the projections for a -$24,500,000,000,000 debt (sic), and sovereign government debt exceeding GDP, and Pentagon on track to have lost (sic) $8,000,000,000,000, together with Brexit and Deutsche Bank and Chinese R/E implosions, really will have significant apocalyptic consequences for Americans. The Banksters’ dashboards must be spitting fruit loops right now.
Hence Trump stress positioning Americans for Operation ‘The Wall’ to build an IDIQNB $Trillion DHS National Police State (and DOD Wehrmacht under Operation ‘Fight ISIS’), using legislation already passed and approved, Super Max prisons in every state, a new $B Federal Secret Police, and mercenary contractor special prosecuters, judges and prison guards in 10,000s. Gosh, you should read the legislation that’s being passed by One Party!
All that will be funded by looting health and human services, crushing SS and MC Trust Funds.
I can hear the fat lady singing down the airshaft as the ghetto awakes to a cold November rain.

Posted by: TheRealDonald | Oct 11 2016 16:34 utc | 90

UK FM slam Russia and antiwar groups! Hysterical.
https://www.rt.com/uk/362397-boris-calls-russia-protest/

Posted by: Zimba | Oct 11 2016 16:56 utc | 91

@67 jfl
This seems like an odd reaction from Bhadrakumar. I don’t have links to hand but haven’t we seen Russia lobbying for a decrease in production for at least a month or two? And was it not Putin himself – maybe in that recent German interview or the one before – who said that Iran should be exempt from production freezes because it needed to regain its former production levels? Russia in other words is quite prepared to deal Iran back into a larger slice of the global pie even while acting to raise the oil price.
And Russia has maintained good relations with Saudi Arabia all along, and as we know of her military and diplomatic culture, she talks to all nations and does business with them right up until the day that war or warlike conditions begin. Bhadrakumar should know all this. Maybe I’m missing something.

Posted by: Grieved | Oct 11 2016 16:59 utc | 92

@Zembla #92
See also:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2016/oct/11/george-osborne-to-be-questioned-by-mps-as-leak-reveals-treasury-brexit-warning-politics-live
The “intellectual” Boris Killary Johnson Killton seems complete excited and mad.
0:58 “Where is the stop-the-war-coalition at the moment” and then he starts stuttering.
Reminds me of:
“Speaking off the record, the Russian spokesman, who asked us not to disclose his identity, added that hopes of finding intelligent life in London, Paris, Berlin and other Western European locations, where it might be expected to flourish, are fading fast.”
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/russians-halt-search-intelligent-life-washington/ri16910

Posted by: From The Hague | Oct 11 2016 17:29 utc | 93

Boris Johnson is barking mad. These pols are like mindless idiots, leading their countries toward open hostilities with the Russians.

Posted by: Copeland | Oct 11 2016 17:42 utc | 94

Things really changing fast geopol turn here, what with the Russians holding their first ever land/airborne drill with Egypt soon somewhere there; last year it was their 1st ever joint naval.
Goes with Fraudy Arabia breaking with Egypt near totally now, major rift no more oil to them (they got lotsa NG gas though)because Egypt sided with Russia in that UNSC vote the French major merde was trying to push through.
And now Putin just cancels his meeting with him in Paris, since he wanted the entire itinerary to be about Syria.
I guess that means the FFL fort they’ve been building there in N. Syria/Kurdistan (Kobani)where Putin invited them in can now be abandoned & at least to some movie cast to make a Beau Geste sequel.
Quite the coincidence right at/near the 60th anniversary of the date early NOV/1956,is the US election. then, the Brits sent an invasion force to ‘retake’ the Suez that Nasser nationalized (it was a corporation, with brits & frenchies owning the shares!).
Shortly after they & israel & france departed most unceremoniously mostly be very early 1957, Nasser then nationalized all the banks.
Good info a few posts todays Syrianperspective.com today’s date forum, where China changed over the w/e their laws to now allow troops & advisors in foreign countries, & will deploy 5000(!) to Syria, with advisors. several stories there.
http://www.alamongordo.com/china-military-arrive-in-syria-to-help-russia/
Russia has announced plans to hold joint drills with Egyptian forces in Egypt in mid-October.
“The joint Russian-Egyptian drills will happen in mid-October 2016 on the territory of Egypt,” the Russian Defense Ministry said on Tuesday.
http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2016/10/11/488588/Russia-Egypt-joint-drills
We’ll see if the sandaled sand scorpions can score some kind of major hit this week on the Yemen south border front war.

Posted by: schlub | Oct 11 2016 17:50 utc | 95

@92 Looking forward to Boris doing his one-man protest at the Russian Embassy.

Posted by: dh | Oct 11 2016 17:57 utc | 96

@85 Thanks. Yup. Well put re: Marcy and bmaz. EW has it’s moments, but sometimes the filler is rather unpalatable, not unique to EW of course. Feeding the beast, and all that.

Posted by: stumpy | Oct 11 2016 18:02 utc | 97

boris johnson.. another idiot for the war mongering empire – us/uk… speaking of a pariah nation.. he ought to know as he is now the head of one..

Posted by: james | Oct 11 2016 18:04 utc | 98

@98 stumpy.. just missed your post, by posting mine.. i like marcy, but i think she has too limited a focus. oh well.. bmaz reminds me of her pet pit bull, lol..

Posted by: james | Oct 11 2016 18:05 utc | 99

@99 Boris sucks and blows at the same time. Here he is back in 2015….
“Am I backing the Assad regime, and the Russians, in their joint enterprise to recapture that amazing site? You bet I am. That does not mean I trust Putin, and it does not mean that I want to keep Assad in power indefinitely. But we cannot suck and blow at once.”
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/dec/07/boris-johnson-allies-should-join-assad-and-russia-against-isis

Posted by: dh | Oct 11 2016 18:12 utc | 100