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Obama: Vote Rigging Is Impossible – If In Favor Of Hillary Clinton
Is rigging the U.S. election possible?
Obama says it is not possible:
Obama was asked about Trump's voter fraud assertions on Tuesday [..] He responded with a blistering attack on the Republican candidate, noting that U.S. elections are run and monitored by local officials, who may well be appointed by Republican governors of states, and saying that cases of significant voter fraud were not to be found in American elections.
Obama said there was "no serious" person who would suggest it was possible to rig American elections, adding, "I'd invite Mr. Trump to stop whining and go try to make his case to get votes."
That is curious. There are a lot of "non serious" persons in the Democratic Party who tell us that Russia is trying to manipulate the U.S. elections. How is it going to that when it's not possible?
Moreover – Obama himself suggested that Russia may interfere with the U.S. elections: Obama: 'Possible' Russia interfering in US election
Is rigging the election only impossible when it is in favor of Hillary Clinton? This while rigging the elections in favor of Donald Trump, by Russia or someone else, is entirely possible and even "evident"?
Curious.
That said – I do believe that the U.S. election can be decided through manipulation. We have evidently seen that in 2000 when Bush was "elected" by a fake "recount" and a Supreme Court decision.
The outcome of a U.S. presidential election can depend on very few votes in very few localities. The various machines and processes used in U.S. elections can be influenced. It is no longer comprehensible for the voters how the votes are counted and how the results created.*
The intense manipulation attempts by the Clinton camp, via the DNC against Sanders or by creating a Russian boogeyman to propagandize against Trump, lets me believe that her side is well capable of considering and implementing some vote count shenanigan. Neither are Trump or the Republicans in general strangers to dirty methods and manipulations.
It is high time for the U.S. to return to paper-ballots and manual vote counting. The process is easier, comprehensible, less prone to manipulations and reproducible. Experience in other countries show that it is also nearly as fast, if not faster, than machine counting. There is simply no sensible reason why machines should be used at all.
*(The German Constitutional Court prohibited the use of all voting machines in German elections because for the general voters they institute irreproducible vote counting which leads to a general loss of trust in the democratic process. The price to pay for using voting machines is legitimacy.)
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I’ll throw out an old farmer’s tale.
We had a farm when I was in my 20’s, during the ‘Gotta Revolution, Gotta Revolution’ post-Viet Nam Recession that nobody wants to remember. We were lucky, built it into a producing farmstead, not a hippie-haven. But it was all leased land, of course and so eventually we lost it back to the Bank.
Anyway, we kept chickens for meat and eggs, in a wire pen by the house, with a dog to scare off the racoons. You know, a regular chicken coop.
One morning we went out to gather eggs, and all the chickens were dead, head-chopped by the pen wire, in two separate piles at each end of the pen. Inside the pen.
We figured out the ‘coons came in the night, in two groups, the Reds and the Blues. The Reds silently rushed the wire, chickens ran the other way into the Blues, who silently yanked as many heads off as they could. That panicked the chickens who ran back towards the Reds, who silently yanked off as many heads as they could, and so on, and so on, until there were two piles of head-chopped-off chickens, safely inside their pen. Safety and security inside the pen is important when you’re a chicken.
I never forgot that story of the Blues and the Reds, how they head-chopped all them stupid chickens.
I’ll close with another farmer’s tale, as we’re about to see some more head-chopping here right quick.
We got to meet the guy who homesteaded the place, back at the turn of the century. Very old still sharp guy with a wry smile and twinkle in his eye, said we done a good job restoring it to full production with what little we had. So we asked him, you know, how he lost the homestead.
“Back in ’30, people were so poor, that when they announced the (Columbia River) dam project, the folks rose up out of the city (Seattle) and walked up the valleys toward the (mountain) passes. And as they went, they killed and ate all the livestock and pulled and ate all the crops on every farm they passed. We heard they was coming, so I locked up the place and joined them. What could I do?”
Then, like the others, he worked 12 hour days, 6 days a week, for 25c a day and found. ‘Found’ is a canvas tent, a cot and a plate of beans. And after Sunday go-to-meeting, you spent one of your 25c pieces for a steak, coffee and as many flour rolls as you could stuff in your face. Then back to the dam, …right up until the Second Banker War, WWII.
Of course, he lost the farm after the war, with all the men gone for near five years, just as the Bankers had planned, with all the build-up debts during the cash-less ’30s, together with seed loans, crop failures and harvest losses, wiped out the homesteads and drove everyone into the cities after the war, into factory jobs and cracker box housing. The first ‘freedom’ work camps. And their children worked in those factories too, and bought more cracker box housing, and maybe even a car!
And then the factories got dismantled, shipped off to China, lol. Suckers. The Bankers got it all.
“This generation got no hesitation at all! Gotta Revolution, gotta Revolution!!”
Yeah, sure, that’ll happen, lol. This generation are just like mine was, trying to make rent and put food on the table, living in what we used to call boarding houses, everything they have in the world packed into their tiny bedroom, 3 or 4 to a house, 10 or 12 in some, bunk beds and stuff overflowing in heaped piles in the living room below a silent disconnected big screen box, coming and going as they start and later lose their temp jobs, …and not even a decent steak and coffee on Sunday.
Go ahead and vote Red or vote Blue. Makes no damn difference at all.
The Rentiers own you now. You are owned!
“We won, you lost. It’s just business, get over it. Now get off our land!”
Etcetera, etcetera, etcetara.
Posted by: chipnik | Oct 19 2016 17:47 utc | 36
To be blunt. It is not only MSM who are prostitutes of oligarchic ruling elite but all or most even so called left-leaning or independent media are all under guise of phony “opposition” or diversity of opinion where there is none.
Actually MOA is one of few, more or less independent, aligning itself with any sane ideology, a welcome island of order in the ocean of media cacophony and I often disagreed with MOA but I appreciate its logical consistency and integrity, hard facts based journalism,no matter from what moral stand MOA writings are coming from. MSM even lacks this basic foundation of a rational thought and must be dismissed entirely.
But there is much, much more rigging going on, on massive, even global scale. The fraud is so massive and so visible that blinds people from the truth about it. From the truth of how massively they are being controlled in their opinions and thoughts.
The freedom of speech and press, democracy and just simple decency are simply not allowed in these US under penalty of social marginalizing or even death as Assange and Manning are facing. The entire message of MSM propaganda false flag soldiers is fear.
It may seem shocking for people under spell of overwhelming propaganda, but this government run by Global oligarchs is dangerous to our physical and mental health and must be eradicated as a matter of sanitary emergency.
Let’s sweep all those political excretions into the sewage pipes where they belong. But first we have to recognize the scale of their influence and their horrifying daily routine subversion of social order, gross malfeasance or even horrendous crimes also war crimes covered up by MSM.
Only after we get rid of this abhorrent, brutal regime, cut the chains of enslavement we can have decent democracy or voting, not before.
John Stuart Mill – “Government shapes our character, values, and intellect. It can affect us positively or negatively. When political institutions are ill constructed, “the effect is felt in a thousand ways in lowering the morality and deadening the intelligence and activity of the people”
Jean-Jacques Rousseau, “I had come to see that everything was radically connected with politics, and that however one proceeded, no people would be other than the nature of its government.
And here we are, believing the shit those mofos and feeding us about freedom and democracy citing bought and sold lies as “scientific research” concocted for one reason alone, to fuck us up , exploit and discard when not needed.
Here is, in a small part, about how they do it, starting from phony polls that suppose to sway you one way or another into following supposed projected winner anointed by the establishment.
Polls are routinely skewed, even MSM pundits say use polls they can trust i.e. which give them results their bosses seek.
Now over hundred top newspapers and media outlets endorsed Hillary so you can safely remove them from your list of polls you can rely on.
Anyway most polls are rigged even more than elections themselves, mostly by skewing the content of a poling sample like in the above example. If you poll Dems about Reps that exactly you get what you seek. But they are more insidious like doubling or tripling polling sample and then pick an choose what answers they like, or focus sample on the area you know there is overall support for your thesis or assertion of candidate regardless of official affiliation, and many more down to raw rigging by fixing numbers or adjustments.
The US Elections themselves are regularity defrauded (read Greg Palast) for decades in thousands of well-documented different and additional ways to polls such as:
By limiting selection of possible candidates and their access to statewide or national ballot box via rigged undemocratic caucuses and primaries and other unreasonable requirements, goal-seeking ad-hoc rules. by eliminating and/or confusing voters about voting at proper physical location often changed in last moments, forcing into never counted provisional vote by purposely hiding registered lists, purging made up “felons” from voter lists, requiring expensive or unavailable or costly to obtain due to extensive travel, identifying documents, threatening citizen (of color) with deportation, accusing them of voter fraud [baseless challenging that automatically pushes voter into provisional vote], or strait offering meaningless provisional ballots instead of proper ballot for people who can’t read (English) well, eliminating students and military vote when needed on phony registration issues, signature, pictures, purposefully misspelled names, mostly non-British names etc., reducing number of polling places where majority votes for “rouge” candidate, forcing people to stand in line for hours or preventing people from voting al together.
Selecting remote polling locations with obstructed public access by car or transit, paid parking, exposed to weather elements, cold, wind and rain in November.
Hacking databases before and after vote, switching votes, adding votes for absent voters, and switching party affiliations and vote at polling places as well up in the data collating chain, county, state, filing in court last minute frivolous law suits aimed to block unwanted candidates or challenging readiness of the polling places in certain neighborhoods deemed politically uncertain, outrageous voting ON a WORKING DAY (everywhere else voting is on Sunday or a day free of work) skewing that way votes toward older retired people.
Massive lying propaganda of whom we vote for, a fraudulent ballot supposedly voting for “candidates” but in fact voting on unnamed electors, party apparatchiks instead, violating basic democratic principle of transparency of candidates on the ballot and secrecy of a voter, outrageous electorate college rules design to directly suppress democracy. Requirement of approval of the electoral vote by congress is an outrageous thing illegal in quasi-democratic western countries due to division of powers.
Outrageous, voting day propaganda to discourage voting by phony polling and predictions while everywhere else there is campaigning ban, silence for two to three days before Election Day.
No independent verification of the vote or serious reporting by international observers about violations, or independent exit polls, and many, many more ways every election is stolen as anybody who opens eyes can see.
All the above fraud prepared by close group of election criminals on political party payroll, months/years before election date often without any contribution from ordinary polling workers who believe that nothing is rigged.
If somebody thinks that they would restrain themselves this time, think again. The regime, in a form of mostly unsuspecting county registrars are tools of the establishment and will do everything, everything they can and they can a lot, to defraud those elections and push an establishment candidate down to our throats, without a thought crossing their comatose minds. “Just doing their jobs like little Eichmanns of NAZI regime”.
One way or another your vote will be stolen or manipulated up and down the ticket at will and your participation would mean one thing legitimizing this abhorrent regime.
We must reject those rigged elections and demand that establishment must go, all of them GOP, DNC and that including Hillary before any truly democratic electoral process worth participating may commence.
“The individual loses his substance by voluntarily bowing to an overpowering and distant oligarchy, while simultaneously “participating” in sham democracy.”
C. Wright Mills,”The Power Elite” (1956)
and here is why:
https://contrarianopinion.wordpress.com/2016/09/17/faux-elections-and-american-insanity-of-fear/
Any sane person must thus conclude that an act of voting in the current helplessly tainted and rigged political system is nothing but morally corrupting tool that divides us, conflicts us, extorts from us an approval for the meaningless political puppets of the calcified, repugnant oligarchic US regime, in a surrealistic act of utter futility aimed just to break us down, to break our sense of human dignity, our individual will and self-determination since no true choice is ever being offered to us and never will.
Idea of political/electoral boycott, unplugging from the system that corrupts us and ALTERNATIVE POLITICAL PROCESS designed, developed and implemented for benefit of 99% of population is the only viable idea to express our political views that are absent from official regime candidates’ agendas and from the rigged ballots. Let’s not be afraid, it was already successfully done in the past. It works.” Without courage there is only slavery.
Posted by: Kalen | Oct 19 2016 19:35 utc | 55
in re 24 —
ROTFLMAO! Srsly?
What effect do you think all Donaldesque whining and bullying will have? Just the opposite, maybe?
If you can’t take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
It will be my distinct pleasure to keep it as hot as possibly can for you, and the rest of you Trumpeters. Think of it as a preview of coming attractions you’ll see when y’all meet your master downstairs.
Love those “MofA community values.” Vote for the wrong party? Why, it’s a criminal act! Don’t like the criticism of your blindness and incompetence? Shout it down. Because of course, unless they agree with you, they can only be lyin’ on ya.
You hear that a lot from losing litigants on “The Peoples Court,” BTW.
‘Cuz da jooz. Or some other half-baked, lame-ass conspiracy “theory”. Somebody somewhere did something that might be something like your sordid little imagination can project. So ergo, QED. “Evidence? We ain’t not no stinkin’ evidence! You give us the vote now!”
Plenty of groundless suspicion though. That’s an “MofA value,” fer sure, good buddy.
So keep at it, even though The Donald’s retainers have started to bail on him. Gov. Krispy Kreme here has put even more daylight between himself and the man he hoped would resuscitate his political career.
O’DONNELL: ”Are you proud of the campaign he’s running?”
CHRISTIE: “Listen, it’s – for me, the person who needs most to be concerned about the kind of campaign they’re running is the candidate. Because it’s the candidate’s campaign. It’s not my campaign. It’s not Jeff Sessions’ campaign. It’s not Rudy Giuliani’s campaign. We’re surrogates. And I’m proud of everything I’ve said and that’s all I can control. The rest of it I can’t control, Kelly.”
Translation: I have done my best to reign [sic – rm] in the crazy but it isn’t working. I am not in charge so I am stepping back and letting Trump crash his own campaign and this interview will serve as proof that I was not in charge or taking ownership. Also, I am innocent of Bridgegate even though there is a lot of evidence that I did indeed conspire to do some shady sh*t and may be facing criminal charges. Thanks for not asking me about it.
Nor does the Chief Spokesfraud like the Kool-Aid either. When asked about the assertion of widespread voting fraud say replied:
“No, I do not believe that,” Kellyanne Conway said during an interview on MSNBC. “So absent overwhelming evidence that there is, it would not be for me to say that there is. We know in the past, we know that people who are dead are still on the voter rolls, we know that people are voting a couple of different times in places. You do hear reports here and there.”
Because although you may not think so, Even Fox News Knows Trump’s Voter Fraud Claims Are Garbage.
Kimberly Guilfoyle pointed out there have been “a lot of research and studies” examining voter fraud. “Overall, it doesn’t bear out in terms of the numbers to say that there is widespread voter or election fraud,” she said.
Dana Perino pointed that even some members of Trump’s campaign are reportedly telling him that “that’s not really true.”
“It’s not good for American democracy and our elections,” Guilfoyle said, noting that his tactics seem to be “working” on some of his fans.
And did anyone mention the fact that his very own VP choice is not quite fully on board, either? Trump ratchets up ‘rigged election’ claims, which Pence downplays. Well, he never was a True Believer, I ‘spose.
And just so you know, The Day-Glo Duckhead’s scheme for “poll watching” looks suspiciously like voter intimidation. Rather like your post, no? Neither will be successful, of course.
Posted by: rufus magister | Oct 19 2016 22:47 utc | 80
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