Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
October 9, 2016
An Election Of Leaks And Counter-Leaks

The tape of Trump talking dirty was released just in time  to sidetrack from the release of more of Clinton's dirty secrets by Wikileaks. Trump's talk was juvenile and sexist bragging in front of other "boys". Surprising it was not. There will more releases like that, all timed to run cover for Clinton.

The just released emails of her campaign chairman John Podesta about Clinton's talk to Wall Street and other Clinton related issues are indeed revealing. She is the sell-out you would expect her to be:

*CLINTON SAYS YOU NEED TO HAVE A PRIVATE AND PUBLIC POSITION ON POLICY*

Clinton: "But if everybody's watching, you know, all of the back room discussions and the deals, you know, then people get a little nervous, to say the least. So, you need both a public and a private position."

It is funny how the U.S. electorate has a deeper "very negative" view of Trump (-44%) and Clinton (-41%) than of the much vilified Russian President Putin (-38%).

When Trump will come back in the polls (not "if"), it will be a devious fight with daily "leaks" followed by counter leaks and a lot of dirty laundry washed in front of the public. Good.

Many of the people who will vote will vote against a candidate, not for the one that they will mark on their ballot. I expect a very low turn out election, barely giving a mandate, to whomever may win or get selected to have won.

Comments

Earlier I posted a comment suggesting that reading what Danielle Ryan had to say about propaganda. It may be found at: http://www.danielleryan.net/2016/05/28/the-problem-with-propaganda/
For those of you seeking some sort of position regarding the DuhMeriKKKan election by Ms Ryan, you won’t find one. Her article is about what propaganda is by definition. Thus, if you follow her logic you’ll find that we are all propagandists of a sort … and if you don’t believe that is the case, reread all of the above garbage spewed from the mouths of dolts about the QoC and the Donald as the new Queen/King of the Empire. Neither one of the representatives of the duopoly are worth the effort to toss a turd in their direction. Both are nihilistic greed-bags and the DuhMeriKKKan people deserve whichever one is crowned Quadrennial Emperor of the Empire.
This is suicide of the species. The dinosaurs were very successful … lasted millions of years before an asteroid took them out. Humans, well we are so wonderful we’ll pull off our own extinction in much less time, and deserve it. Our fellow planetary travelers won’t, but they’ve never mattered to humans in the first place.

Posted by: rg the lg | Oct 10 2016 3:47 utc | 101

Anyone else notice that Hillary couldn’t remember what she did while in office? Major mistake.
Trump recalled that Clinton was secretary of state when President Barack Obama drew his now-infamous rhetorical ‘red line’ in Syria, ineffectively warning Bashar al-Assad not to use chemical weapons against insurgents and civilians.
Clinton insisted she had retired from the government by the time that happened. Not so: Obama dared Assad to cross his line in August 2012, six months before Clinton’s term ended.
She can’t even remain standing during a presidential debate, and can’t remember what she did, either.

Posted by: Perimetr | Oct 10 2016 4:11 utc | 102

88
It’s clear from reading the 91, 92, 93, 94 post series above that the One Party program to waterboard the entire American public through cognitive dissonance and stress positioning domestic psyop has done permanent brain damage, even here on MoA.
The Donald? Mafia casino money-launderer and serial bunko artist!? The Hag?! Lunatic Grifter Extraordinaire!? That’s the ‘choice’ before the People? Really? Two CONS!?
Trump proposes to throw 20M disenfranchised Americans, the chronically ill and infirm elderly, to the wolves and make insurance ‘competitive’, exactly the same way Gramm-Leich-Bliley made the TBTF ‘competitive’, wiping out our 401ks, which he must, because QEn is losing gamma fast, and it’s only the massively side-betted US insurance industry ‘float’ that’s keeping the markets at a tulip mania 19 P/E, and the R/E in the double-digits.
Trump proposes to Make Education (Vouchers) Great Again, and Bring Back American Industry. That ship has sailed, bozo. Any business person would take one look at SEAsia and ASEAN total dominance of manufacturing and technology, with complete capture of lowest labor cost Cambodia and Myanmar, then wonder who the hell these dead-beat broke El Nortian gauchos and gun nuts think they are.
Trump wants to ‘protect’ Big Pharma with more Federal vouchers and Big Oil with more Federal subsidies, he wants to ‘Kill ISIS’ with a $T Pentagon,and build the IDIQNB DHS National Police State,’The Wall’. All by deficit spending, cutting taxes for the Ubers, and crushing health and human services, SS and Medicare.
For her part, Hillary promised everything and delivered nothing, as she always had. She will Make Everything Great Again, even kiss Trump’s ruby-red baboon ass, to get elected.
So now it’s 2018, the USA is -$24,000,000,000,000 in debt, the US dollar is in freefall, there is a run on the banks, the Red Phone is ringing and Hillary is black-out drunk in the potted palms. Do you know where your children are?
“My fellow Americans, tonight we are launching an effort which holds the promise of changing the course of human history. There will be risks, and results take time. But I believe we can do it. As we cross this threshold (of irredeemable fiat debt), I ask for your prayers and your support. Thank you, good night and God bless you.”
The Night Reagan Sold Out The American People to the One Party

Posted by: TheRealDonald | Oct 10 2016 4:21 utc | 103

@Lisa #80:
The problem with Trump is he made a #1 strategic mistake in supporting and giving into the religious right.
Did you watch Trump’s acceptance speech? No mention of fetuses, and Trump didn’t recite the mantra of “God bless America”, which practically every speaker at the Dem convention did. Trump talks about appointing Supreme Court justices that conservative Christians would like, and also repealing the law that requires tax-exempt churches to refrain from getting involved in political debates, but he has pretty much eliminated aggressive conservative Christian talk from Republican rhetoric.
Bringing out women who have accused Bill Clinton of sexual predation before the debate was a sensible move. That Trump just engages in sexist talk, whereas Bill actually assaults women, was the obvious point to make. We shall see in the next week whether Trump was able to undo the damage from the leaked recording. (I think the recording was leaked a couple of weeks too early.)
I was not shocked by the recording at all, because when I started following the election, I read a profile of Trump in which he emailed or SMS’d a reporter he barely knew who had joked about his hair, writing “I may have funny hair, but I sleep with more women than you do.” On the Alt Right, Trump’s interest in attractive women is taken to be natural alpha male behavior.

Posted by: Demian | Oct 10 2016 4:46 utc | 104

@ 31 Vice “news” is a bad joke. All their Syria and Libya coverage is 200% pro al-Qaeda/DoS policy. They even had a “journalist” embedded with al-Nusra in Aleppo in 2014 and portrayed them in a favourable light. It doesn’t surprise me that their Ukraine coverage follows a similar pattern.

Posted by: Temporarily Sane | Oct 10 2016 5:19 utc | 105

The Kabuki continues…

Posted by: ben | Oct 10 2016 5:26 utc | 106

Presstv is reporting a US naval vessel has come under missile fire off the Yemeni coast. No damage has been reported.
http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2016/10/10/488382/US-Yemen-destroyer

Posted by: Wwinsti | Oct 10 2016 7:40 utc | 107

For your consideration:
The 2000 election was lost because of the state of Florida’s voter suppression, not because of some third party receiving irrelevant and ineffective votes for a candidate incapable of successfully winning an office. Those votes by real measure were voter self-suppressioned as they had no effect either for or against either main party’s candidate which were the effective votes that win election contests. Pretending differently is numerical ignorance, however morally clean they may make the elector emotionally feel. Like P. Pilate, washing responsibility from one’s hands in that manner will not work, no matter how hard one may try to rationalise such behaviour. The only voting that will be effective is not national voting but the results of effective voting at the state level that results in winning that state for, as it is, one major party candidate or the other, even third party candidates are so far removed from winning at state level as to be laughable. These are the facts, anything else is coding yourself, a mental fantasy, moral masturbation.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Oct 10 2016 7:55 utc | 108

Trump should kick out his VP Pence,
‘Russia is killing ISIS’: Trump disagrees with VP over more intervention in Syria
https://www.rt.com/usa/362184-trump-pence-syria-disagree/

Posted by: LEvel3 | Oct 10 2016 8:16 utc | 109

Dirty damn Slavic pigs. How dare they kill the terrorists that Americans might want to dramatically drone some day, after they behead Assad and his Alawi minions first of course. “we told you so silly Alawis, better stop resisting for your own good, and join the refugees, before those Sunni majoritarians ethnically cleanse you, which they have been fully and rightly provoked to do by those damn Putinoids!”.
Support Hillary for more gruesome genocides!

Posted by: Quadriad | Oct 10 2016 8:41 utc | 110

Damian @105: Bringing out women who have accused Bill Clinton of sexual predation before the debate was a sensible move. That Trump just engages in sexist talk…
Denver Post headline: After failing to seduce Nancy O’Dell, Donald Trump reportedly tried to have her fired
When a person with power talks, it is more than just a talk. And the list of totally intemperate remarks and proposal of Trump, on almost any issue, is long, hardly making him a champion for anything sensible. Like
“I will not admit ANY Muslim to USA”
“I would take their oil” <- !!!!!! attacking people who do not like it when police kills unarmed folks promising to "jail her" "I would order our forces to shoot" (paraphrase, close encounters with Russian planes and Iranian ships" "why did we give Iran 150 billion dollars!" (amount is disputed, but those are money in Iranian accounts, so not "given to them") "there is such a thing like clean coal"

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 10 2016 10:12 utc | 111

Posted by: Demian | Oct 10, 2016 12:46:11 AM | 105
You bet, there is a lot more stuff from where the tape is coming from. And Trump’s campaign can keep talking about Bill Clinton and Hillary’s part in it.
So should the pollsters decide it is bad for Hillary the leaks will stop. If not, then this will go on.

Posted by: somebody | Oct 10 2016 11:40 utc | 112

@ 112
Piotr, just what is your point? Must the reader come to some conclusion from your presumptions, your assumptions? What would you have the reader think? Something just as you intimate? Or worse? What goal are you seeking? Is the reader to abandon their experience and yours is the only road? What exactly are you after? Can any person differ from your POV? Please let the professional propagandists do their work, you don’t have what that takes.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Oct 10 2016 11:42 utc | 113

@Formerly T-Bear
Would you agree that if you don’t live in a swing-state, you should vote for Jill Stein?

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 10 2016 12:12 utc | 114

@ Jackrabbit 115
Short answer, No. I would choose not to vote at all or by spoiling the Presidential elector race if possible. Down ticket, were I voting, would be against any and all incumbent candidates.
My preference would be not to vote at all since only those not voting create a real number indicating failure of the system to engage some significant fraction of the electorate, more than half in some places disqualifies the poll from taking effect. By not returning incumbents, the electorate may have some chance for such limitations to be enacted. Returning incumbents will not do that.
Voting for minor (party) candidates only results in an insignificant footnote to history. Only T. Roosevelt’s run as third candidate was the exception and hardly recalled at that; that he caused a split in the Republican vote that allowed Wilson to win elevated his footnote enough to be remembered. No other minor candidate has ever done as well.
This would be my considered opinion: Jill Stein has neither the support nor the responsibility demonstrated to hold public office at that level. Having neither, all manner of words might be used but are, at the end of the day, meaningless blather.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Oct 10 2016 12:47 utc | 115

@Formerly T-Bear
I think a win by Trump and a good showing by the Green Party would destroy the corrupt Democratic Party.
It’s a start.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 10 2016 13:20 utc | 116

I guess Mutti’s decided Hillary has it in the bag … German government urges tougher action against Russia and Syria

As the Syrian army advances in the east of Aleppo with support from Russia, and with the conflict between the US and Russia intensifying dramatically, the German government has hardened its attitude towards Moscow. On Friday, leading German politicians called for fresh sanctions against Russia, the massive arming of the Islamist opposition and even the use of German ground troops.

… and like everyone other fellow traveler is trying to make points now to be called in when …

Posted by: jfl | Oct 10 2016 13:37 utc | 117

Great analysis of the Trump phenome here: by Mel Robbins, but it lacks a little je ne sais quoi? Remember, Trump didn’t just drift in from the far Oort Cloud, he was selected by the RNC.
Yes, Mel, nothing Trump does ‘matters’, because he’s playing to the Far Rabbinical Right, the Crypto-Zionist Christians, the gun nuts, PM stackers, tax dodgers, the now bereft Right to Workers, Uber/Lyfts losers, Fiverr giggers. He’s playing to the Little People, the Left Behinds, the Down and Outs. What’s he offering? Zip, zilch, nada. A slogan.
But it’s not who he’s playing to, or who The Hag is playing to. It’s what they represent, what their stated goals and intentions are, what the intended outcomes will be. Both represent the Establishment. Both intend to Make the Establishment Even Greater Again. Both support more deregulation of Corporate, more Federal tax credits and vouchers for Corporate, both support unlimited “legal” H1B immigration for Corporate, both support The Fed and Central Bankers Mob, both support Free Trade, (no matter what Trump claims), and both support Citizens United cloaking to hide the iron claw of these Corporate and One Party Oligarchs.
You can’t fit a playing card between their intended outcomes: Extermination of the Middle Class by bleeding out the Fifth Quintile’s last remaining wealth.
The Show Must Go On! The MSM has cleverly crack-spread the Real Donald: mafia casino boss, serial bunko artist, tax-dodging bankrupt-scamming con man, into his persona as ‘The Outlier’. Trump, NYC career con man, is playing Robin Hood. The same can be said for The Hag. Made NY State Senator by the NYC Banking Mob, she’s a serial liar, grifter on a world-scale, the plotter behind Clinton Foundation Massive Grift, ‘Oh, yeah, we got bills to pay too!” No the MSM will have you believe she’s a graceful old lady just trying to do her job.
Just slapping lipstick on two pigs.
They are Reptilian Devil Spawn, playing The Randy Old King coupling with Driving Miss Daisy. It’s a morality play, a binge-watching soap opera told to a nation of idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. All that matters is their outcomes, the One Party’s soon -$24,000,000,000,000 fiat-created debt, IDIQNB government debt greater than GDP, an irredeemable fiat debt and a perpetual interest-only bleedout…forever.
“We won, you lost. It’s just business, get over it. Now pick your poison.”

Posted by: chipnik | Oct 10 2016 13:47 utc | 118

rg the lg | Oct 9, 2016 11:47:43 PM | 102
Yep, pretty much agree with your whole post. Seems to cover it all.
We haven’t much time left on this orb regardless of what we choose.
Me, I’m old, 71, so I don’t much give a shit any longer; we seem hell bent on our own extinction and we’re well on the way…
God speed, as “they” say…

Posted by: V. Arnold | Oct 10 2016 13:57 utc | 119

I’ve been listening to WNYC’s discussion of last night’s debate, and Trump is noticeably, repeatedly, and loudly sniffing. It seems he needs a good allergist? Or…?

Posted by: jawbone | Oct 10 2016 14:53 utc | 120

The Government will Win the Election
The People will Lose….the Election
http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/956/597/f57.jpg

Posted by: Brad | Oct 10 2016 15:14 utc | 121

119;Wha?Trump was selected by US.And he will win in a landslide.He kicked her ass repeatedly last night,and for her to accuse Russia of creating the Muslim refugees was as bad a lie as WMD in Iraq.
A pathetic bubbleheaded amnesiac who should be in jail works for me.
And all these rethug scum,hopefully the Trump voter votes them out,as they are the enemy as much as Obomba and the Hell bitch,all whores of zion,which obviously he aint.(or else they wouldn’t be so against him,the MSM)
He is their greatest fear,an American for America.
They all belong in jail,the media and the criminal pols.
Yee haw!

Posted by: dahoit | Oct 10 2016 15:23 utc | 122

To: #100
US creation of opposition groups to Syria was leaked shortly after the protests began in 2011.
The planning for the destabilization started in late 2005. Fighters from Libya were brought over to Jordan by the CIA to stage the initial attacks against the Syrian government forces.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/us-secretly-backed-syrian-opposition-groups-cables-released-by-wikileaks-show/2011/04/14/AF1p9hwD_story.html

Posted by: Les | Oct 10 2016 15:29 utc | 123

Oh goody. The hasbara trolls are back to tell us how damaged is Trump. And to, wait for it — drip, drip, drip — the next EXPLOSIVE tapes. Hahaha. You fukwits have totally INOCULATED Trump from ANY further sex-escapade damage. You shot the wad. And missed. Now whatever is OUT there with Jeffrey Epstein and his Pedo-Island will incriminate Bill Clinton. He of bent-dick and underage sex-slaves fame. Like Santa Claus. We have a naughty-list of TRAITORS. Deplorables will be BDS’ing the R-ZIOthugs. And nary a shot fired. Cuz Deplorables are peaceful civil-warmongers.
Best line of the night was throwing asshat traitor Pence under the bus. Oh to be a fly on the wall (not the one on Hillary’s face-ugh!) at the Russian Diplomat Residence when THAT comment was uttered. High-fives all around. Keep bombing the ISIS fukwits and fools back to Allah, Vlad. The Deplorables have your back…

Posted by: Take Me | Oct 10 2016 15:30 utc | 124

Trump said the truth about US foreign policy in a presidential debate for once, and yet some here continue to scoff at him.
Trump blows up Syria war lie. No such thing as “moderate rebels”. Russia, Iran, Assad are “killing ISIS” [Video]

“She [Hillary Clinton] wants to fight for rebels, there is only one problem, you don’t even know who the rebels are, so what’s the purpose.”
Moderator then freaks out trying to cut Trump off before he says what we can all see coming…
“And one thing I have to say, I don’t like Assad at all, but Assad is killing ISIS, Russia is killing ISIS, and Iran is killing ISIS.”
“And those three have now lined up because of our weak foreign policy.”
With one short and simple closing statement Donald Trump exposed all the lies and US propaganda around Syria.
He exposed the lie of “moderate rebels”, he exposed the lie about who is really fighting on ISIS, and he exposed the Hillary Clinton’s dangerous lies that want to push us into war with Russia, in a last ditch effort to save the Pentagon/CIA proxy army of Al Qaeda and ISIS.
Trump exposed the entire Syria charade during last nights debate.

Trump is closer to MoA on US foreign policy than he is to the Western corporate media.

Posted by: Demian | Oct 10 2016 15:37 utc | 125

When Clinton began talking about Russia, what came out of her mouth was a whole litany of lies. It was another peek down into at the bottomless foreign policy pit, of the Obama/Clinton/Kerry/Power insanity. This way lies the going away of Damascus, into a heap of ruins; and into the bargain, our own very unpleasant demise. The pathology has to be apparent to anyone who is paying attention to the murderous and irrational impulses which are on display.

Posted by: Copeland | Oct 10 2016 15:38 utc | 126

@126/127 demian and copeland.. both your posts about sum it up.. thanks.. the choice for americans seems clear enough..

Posted by: james | Oct 10 2016 15:50 utc | 127

There IS NO republican party. It’s all one big ZIOthug lovefest. There are a FEW — like Sessions — with R’s next to their name who aren’t TOTALLY corrupt. The rest need to be gone.
It doesn’t matter if Trump has an R-congress or not. They won’t help him. Just hinder him. And back-stab him. Like Pence. They are ALL bought and paid for ZIOthugs. Better for Trump to go mano-a-mano against democrats. At least we KNOW who’s water they carry. And Trump can deal with ’em. Too bad they got rid of Cynthia McKinney. If the entire democrat congress had her balls and integrity. I’d vote for ’em. Even if I didn’t agree with every policy. Cuz I sure as shit don’t agree with every word that comes from Trump. Neither do I think he’s a ZIOthug.
I’m voting Trump and I or D down-ballot.
#BEST ELECTION EVER

Posted by: Take Me | Oct 10 2016 16:10 utc | 128

Demian @126
Yes, Trump exposed Clinton on Syria.
He also accused her of laughing at 12 year old rape victim, which is a total BS. The list of lies is quite a bit longer. So he is an imperfect messenger of truth.
He is also an imperfect policy maker, if you consider:
ardent support for Israel in his speech to AIPAC, settlements, occupation, whole package
wish to take Iraqi oil
wish to take money from Iranian bank accounts
interest in using nukes in conventional wars
equating Muslim with terrorists and supporters of terrorists
promise to use “water boarding and worse”
and so on. What he plans to do and how? And he promised to do something, namely some super-duper plan to handle ISIS. Allegedly. When Johnson asks “what is Aleppo” it is fine, because he does not promise to engage there. But Trump is potentially a menace. Perhaps he will merely barrage his enemies (of which there are many) with tweets, and his sidekick, Chris Christie, menace by strategically placed traffic cones, but Presidency allows to do so much more! Not a place for hyper-active and temperamental cretins;

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 10 2016 16:26 utc | 129

Gosh – I have to oscillate back to the ‘elect Trump’ side. He’s such a divisive and cartoonish character that it would be very entertaining to watch his term go down. His vocal split with Pence over Syria was a good move IMHO

Posted by: bbbb | Oct 10 2016 16:30 utc | 130

The verdict of the media as recorded now by Google News
Trump’s passable debate performance has put worrying Republicans in a tough position
Business Insider – ‎1 hour ago‎
Donald Trump’s Debate Win Propels Him Toward White House
Breitbart News – ‎2 hours ago‎
Forget the debate spin: Trump is still a hot toxic mess
The Hill (blog) – ‎2 hours ago‎

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 10 2016 16:42 utc | 131

@Demian…126
Not only that, but he had the balls to admit that he differs with his running mate on this proxy-war. At first, I was holding my breath waiting after the question had been posed to him, and what relief to see him stand up like an honest man, not a sycophant, and to throw himself to the msm spin that he is running a schizophrenic campaign. No, he is running on pragmatism and saviness. Guess what people, if Hillary gets in…grabbin’ pussy gonna look like a nice letter to mom compared to the chaos unleashed, unwinding all the progress of the SAA, Russia, and Iran.
And let’s face it, you get to that level of financial success, competition and measuring dicks is second nature. No, definitely not savory. But look at the world he is coming from. We don’t lament the crass verbage of the blue collar worker. It is an accepted trope of their origin.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Oct 10 2016 16:52 utc | 132

@NemesisCalling #133:
And let’s face it, you get to that level of financial success, competition and measuring dicks is second nature. No, definitely not savory. But look at the world he is coming from. We don’t lament the crass verbage of the blue collar worker. It is an accepted trope of their origin.
Yes, attacks on Trump for his locker room talk are incredibly elitist. Here are two blog posts that expand on what you wrote.
Outer Boroughs Affect

The Outer Boroughs—Brooklyn, Queens (where Trump and I were born), Staten Island, The Bronx—are New York City’s version of “flyover country.” The Manhattan mentality identifies with effete (in my opinion) elites, But, as New York Post op-ed editor Mark Cunningham pointed out in a brilliant piece, Trump’s style is “busting balls…He’s playing and winning by blue-collar rules…”
Political And Media Establishment Furiously Attack Trump For Being A Heterosexual Male

While Trump’s words were rude, they are not anything that shocking to anyone who has either served in the military or participated in a high school team sport. Men since the beginning of time have been boasting of their prowess with women. A priest who had served in Iraq tweeted that anyone who was feigning offense at Trump’s comments was a prissy.

Posted by: Demian | Oct 10 2016 17:07 utc | 133

With the name Ruby Jewelryani echoing in the background what could possibly go wrong?
Looks like we’ll all be wearing brown shirts come next January.

Posted by: ALberto | Oct 10 2016 17:20 utc | 134

Peter Hitchens gets going about halfway through.
“…her [Hillary’s] militant interventionist foreign policies are terrifying. I lived through the Cold War and never believed we were in real danger. But I genuinely tremble at the thought of Mrs Clinton in the White House. She appears to have learned nothing from the failed interventions of the past 30 years, and scorns Barack Obama’s praiseworthy motto: ‘Don’t do stupid stuff.’ She will do stupid stuff, and drag us into it, you may rely upon it. How odd it is, to hear on the air the faint but insistent sound of coming war, here in this place of sweet, small hills, rich soil and wistful, mountainous horizons. Men came here in search of what we all really desire, to be left alone to get on with the really important aims of life, to build a home and raise a family, to see the fruits of their labor, to believe what they wish to believe. I cannot quite work out how the good, sane impulse that gave birth to the USA could possibly have led us to this nightmare.”
http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2016/09/the-worlds-fixated-on-trump-but-hillary-could-drag-us-all-into-a-catastrophic-war-writes-peter-hitch.html

Posted by: S Brennan | Oct 10 2016 17:39 utc | 135

Piotr Berman @ 130
> He is also an imperfect policy maker, if you consider: (…)
That’s just the shortlist.
When asked what he’d do for humanitarian efforts in Aleppo: “Look, Aleppo is already lost”… great answer, considering over 2m people caught in the cross-hairs while relief efforts get shut down before they ever get started. Seems if Trump had a clue what’s really going on there, he had a great opportunity to articulate it. He chose instead to write off Aleppo. Not exactly the master of Syrian policy, as some here seem to forcefully assert.
His love affair with Scalia sounds like pandering to his right wing base. Scalia got credit for being a “strict constitutionalist” for doing little more then forcefully backing horrors of neo-con ideology which have brought us a corrupt banking system, endless ME wars and a “trickle down” 1 per-cent economy.
His assertions on their 2 tax policies missed the mark entirely, beyond obfuscatory. His top 3% tax cuts dwarf GWB’s and Reagan’s: this is not going to deliver anything he promises (help all Americans) rather do what this lie has always done… futher entrench the 99% divide.
And his bringing in Roger Ailes to run things, Ailes who delivered the presidency to G.W. Bush almost singlehandedly with the same modus operandi we’re seeing now… and throw in Gingrich’s advisor status and his “13 words” strategy. People seem to have very short memories.
Other then quality he admired in HRC, I don’t recall a single question he answered directly. Denigrating his “opponent” forcefully was his sole demonstration. With US massive problems having built up over many years now & unaddresed by our Federal government, this guy offers nothing but chaos.
The worst Hobson’s choice for US president, wrapped in a soap opera spectacle defying reality.
I’ll run with Stein, hope she gets her 5% to qualify for ballots in 2020 w/out having to pound the streets for signatures. At the very least, she should be on the stage with these 2 so people could hear some very thoughtful ideas outside the paradigms these 2 operate in.

Posted by: jdmckay | Oct 10 2016 18:41 utc | 136

There is a quietly simmering anger that exists out there. These are people who are not politically active. Day in and day out they live their lives, raise their children, pay their taxes and just mind their own business. For the most part they just want to be left alone to their own lives.
But in 1980 their anger drove them to the polls. You can feel that anger today.
Brexit
Nationalism movements sweeping Europe
Numerical turnout at Trumps campaign stops vs Hillary’s
Numerical turnout during Republican primary (highest ever recorded)
Social media stats
It’s historically significant stuff going on right in front of us. Pull up a chair. Pop a cold one. I love this shit.
Salute from a new poster. I learned of this site from a PavewayIV post cross-posted to zero hedge.
I posted this earlier to wrong thread. Pls excuse cross post. Won’t happen again unless I drink more beer.

Posted by: Elwood | Oct 10 2016 19:55 utc | 137

S Brennan quotes Peter Hitchens:
I cannot quite work out how the good, sane impulse that gave birth to the USA could possibly have led us to this nightmare
land theft and genocide couldn’t possibly augur well.

Posted by: john | Oct 10 2016 20:08 utc | 138

@137 >When asked what he’d do for humanitarian efforts in Aleppo: “Look, Aleppo is already lost”.< He should have said 'Syria is none of our business.' Or, if pressed on 'humanitarian' intervention he could have said he'd wait till the Syrian government restored order then send whatever aid they need.

Posted by: dh | Oct 10 2016 20:09 utc | 139

Too many people dismiss Trump because he talks like a New Yorker.
His family is John Birch Red Blooded American Through and Through.
He is smarter than you think. He thinks more than he talks.
Look at his family.

Posted by: Elwood | Oct 10 2016 20:09 utc | 140

I’ll run with Stein, hope she gets her 5% to qualify for ballots…
Posted by: jdmckay | Oct 10, 2016 2:41:49 PM | 137
This is my “advising preference”. The best plausible outcome is that Hillary will become president, but with the affair being a “near death” experience for the Establishment Democrats, and would embolden and expand progressive movements demanding peace and various aspects of social justice.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 10 2016 20:52 utc | 141

Posted by: Elwood | Oct 10, 2016 4:09:38 PM | 141
Well, he is not really running for president, is he? Or, how do you think he plans to win without non white demographics, never mind women.
Of course, there could always be a devilish ingenious plan to make everybody stay home out of disgust, so his fired up core group has a chance… It will be slightly embarrassing though as they will have to sneak out of the house without their wives.

Posted by: somebody | Oct 10 2016 20:59 utc | 142

It makes me glad I missed the debate. Distractions in a lesser of evils fight with sound bites over dirty talk and political spin are disgusting. I had to tune it out. So far it looks like Trump is the lesser of evils. Here in very red state Alabama, my vote’s not going to matter much; I can cement his majority or do a protest vote for 3rd party or write-in. Ugh! That Trump would improve the soured relationship with Russia is the one positive thing I’ve seen. Otherwise he’s got WallStreet cronies and a few neocons nosing in to drag him near to Hillary’s leve.

Posted by: Curtis | Oct 10 2016 22:20 utc | 143

Jeez, I thought this site was “Moon of Alabama”, not “Moon over my Ivory Tower”. Fuck this shit.

Posted by: Elwood | Oct 10 2016 22:55 utc | 144

@145
The birds sing when zionists soil their underwear. It’s a beautiful thing.

Posted by: MadMax2 | Oct 10 2016 23:08 utc | 145

these leaks are more important than Trump’s locker room talk but the media doesn’t discuss these much.
HILLARY’S WARS (Pt. 2): Wikileaks Proves Syria about Iran & Israel
http://thegreatrecession.info/blog/wikileaks-syria-about-iran-israel/

Posted by: Curtis | Oct 10 2016 23:18 utc | 146

in re 123 —
“He kicked her ass repeatedly last night….”
I guess this would be why Post-Debate Polls Say Hillary Clinton Crushed Donald Trump For A Second Time. And why Paul Ryan has just cut him loose.
in re 117 —
“I think a win by Trump and a good showing by the Green Party would destroy the corrupt Democratic Party.”
I think The Great Pumpkin is going to short you on your wish list this year.
Trump is going to lose, and the Greens are going to remain the marginalia they have been since Nader left. The latest polls show the Greens dropping to 2 pct., well below the 5 pct. they would need for Federal funding.
The Democratic Party is not going to magically disappear.

Posted by: rufus magister | Oct 11 2016 0:23 utc | 147

rufus @149
The polls are manipulated and unreliable. Like prior to Brexit.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 11 2016 1:40 utc | 148

The article objects to Trump’s silly tape, as if it were almost a serious issue. Trump has not murdered thousands of people, as Hillary has, by for example promoting the Libyan invasion and personally approving 2192 drone assassinations. Trump is not seeking war with Russia, a dangerous obsession of Hillary that many commentators, including Paul Craig Roberts, believe could lead us to World War III. Trump has not broken laws, as Hillary has by violating her security clearance, by deleting some 30,000 emails after being subpoenaed, by lying to the FBI, by using her foundation as a money-laundering operation, and by selling arms to ISIS.
How about some perspective? Hillary’s crimes compared to Trump’s “crimes” are about like comparing the distance to the Andromeda Galaxy (12 million million million miles) to that of the nearest 7/11. What would it be like to watch a video of Hillary’s husband having oral sex in the Oval Office?
Why can so few people think straight anymore? Why has Trump confused them so? (See answer below.) Paul Craig Roberts, infowars, and Russia Insider offer about the only clear insight on the web anymore.
Trump is presenting a solution to the biggest global problem: US aggressive foreign intervention in the form of regime change and policing the world. He’s against these things and will work hard to stop them. It’s a chance, folks. Isn’t that obvious?
I had a feral cat once that had to be caged for two days to be spayed. Accustomed to the wild, she screamed and struggled for hours trying to escape that cage, before finally growing stunned and silent. When finally she was home and rested, I opened the cage door expecting her to leap with joy into freedom.
But no. To my astonishment, she sat as if frozen and stared at the open cage door. She remained immobile for minutes. I finally had to shoo her out, and when she emerged, her first steps were taken with great hesitation.
That is what most commentators in “alternate” media are like. Trump is the open cage door. And they stare. And they doubt. And they critize. And they are paralyzed. Step out, folks. The solution is right there in front of you. The cage door is open!

Posted by: Karl Pomeroy | Oct 11 2016 1:48 utc | 149

in re 152 — The Duckhead has promised more wars and torture. I take him at his word on that one.
in re 151 — So problems with English polling months ago somehow invalidates polling in the US today? Gee, I don’t recall a lot of bellyaching that the polls have been badly off this elections season. But maybe it got lost in the flood of ignorant outbursts from The Duckhead.

Posted by: rufus magister | Oct 11 2016 2:41 utc | 150

Typical rufus razzle-dazzel.
One of the best reasons to vote against Hillary is the endemic bullshit from the O-bots and Hill-bots like rufus. Their shameless, toxic propaganda has brought “political speech” to new lows. It is meant not to illuminate issues but to obfuscate the scam.
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rufus knows that:

Trump hasn’t “promised more wars”. He has promised to have a strong military and to be tough on ISIS. It is Hillary that is more likely to involve us in more wars via her previous warmongering, her ties to foreign governments, and her current support for ‘no-fly’ zones in Syria.
The results of several polls from MSM have been found to be questionable amid concerns of media bias in favor of Hillary. And let’s not forget Hillary’s “winning” six coin tosses in a row, a pro-Hillary DNC, the AP’s announcing the results of a secret poll” of Democratic super-delegates on the eve of the California Primary, and more.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 11 2016 6:05 utc | 151

@ 154 Jackrabbit
••rufus knows …••
Facts sadly not in evidence.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Oct 11 2016 9:15 utc | 152

in re 154 —
Nothing you cite indicates systemic problems with polling such to cause doubt in the trendline of poll averages.
I’ve cited this bit of knowledge about the Donald Trump dove myth before.

Trump isn’t a leftist, nor is he a pacifist. In fact, Trump is an ardent militarist, who has been proposing actual colonial wars of conquest for years….
“In the old days when you won a war, you won a war. You kept the country,” Trump said. “We go fight a war for 10 years, 12 years, lose thousands of people, spend $1.5 trillion, and then we hand the keys over to people that hate us on some council.” He has repeated this idea for years, saying during one 2013 Fox News appearance, “I’ve said it a thousand times.”
….During the 2016 campaign, Trump has gotten more specific about how exactly he’d “take” Iraq’s oil. In a March interview with the Washington Post, he said he would “circle” the areas of Iraq that contain oil and defend them with American ground troops….
To be clear: Trump’s plan is to use American ground troops to forcibly seize the most valuable resource in two different sovereign countries. The word for that is colonialism.
Trump wants to wage war in the name of explicitly ransacking poorer countries for their natural resources — something that’s far more militarily aggressive than anything Clinton has suggested.

It discusses The Duckhead’s love of torture and extensive plans for it as well.

One of Trump’s signature proposals is targeting and killing the families of suspected ISIS fighters. “When you get these terrorists,” Trump said in December, “you have to take out their families.”
He also wants to bring back torture that’s “much tougher” than waterboarding. “Don’t kid yourself, folks. It works, okay? It works. Only a stupid person would say it doesn’t work,” he said at a November campaign event. But “if it doesn’t work, they deserve it anyway, for what they’re doing.”
To be clear, both torture and the intentional killing of civilians are crimes under international and US law. Confusingly, Trump said in early March he would not order US military officers to disobey the law. But he subsequently suggested that he’d “like the law expanded” to permit torture.

in re 155 —
I’ve once again laid it out. Not my fault if the two of you are too stupid to comprehend it, or too lazy and self-absorbed to be bothered.

Posted by: rufus magister | Oct 11 2016 11:55 utc | 153

Yeah, the Rethuglican leadership, fearing a loss of not only the Senate but the House as well, are bailing on The Duckhead. But you know better….

Posted by: rufus magister | Oct 11 2016 12:12 utc | 154

Another rufus FAIL.
Neocons support Hillary because she has supported their agenda and will continue to do so.
Trump talks tough but he doesn’t support remaking the middle east and belligerence toward Russia.
Torture? Obama virtually pardoned the torturers and STILL allows CIA to outsource torture. CIA Director Brennan’s anti-Trump remarks were a politically expedient, hypocritical embarrassment. The CIA supports ‘head-chopper’ extremists as part of their proxy war in Syria. They have tortured, maimed, killed, and enslaved thousands. What has Hillary said or done about all this? Nothing.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 11 2016 13:23 utc | 155

Leaks? It would be interesting to have recordings leaked of Bill Clinton’s and Donald Trump’s flights on Jeffrey Epstein’s Lolita Express private jet.

Posted by: Curtis | Oct 11 2016 14:31 utc | 156

To 150: Dear Menechem Golani, Charles Drake and other alter-ego iterations. Your posts GIVE ME LIFE. CUZ I SEE ENERGY. And recognize your’s. Every. Single. Time. Please do not leave MOA. Ever. Hugs, Take Me

Posted by: Take Me | Oct 11 2016 15:52 utc | 157

To those who still hesitate to vote for Trump, IU found this:
Donald Trump was a playboy. We get it. But is he still?
Word is, in recent years he had a spiritual conversion and that’s why he is running for president. He’s got the talent and he can “make America great again.” He wants to give back. In fact, he told a group of evangelicals in Florida, he thinks it’s his path to heaven.
It’s a good point. Clearly, running for president has not been an exercise of undiluted pleasure for Trump, and it has surely expiated a great many of his sins.
Just like the stars I wrote about in Oasis: Conversion Stories of Hollywood Legends, including Gary Cooper, Bob Hope, and John Wayne, among others.
Besides being outsized stars, they were also big sinners. If you wonder how big, just read my book.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 11 2016 18:25 utc | 158

in re 158 —
Nah, this is definitely a leporid lapse.
I think you’ve hit the bottom of the slippery slope that folks who argue that Mrs. Clinton is somehow the more dangerous candidate inevitably wind up striking. Little crowded down there, no?
Whatever actions Mrs. Clinton did or did not take, they do not alter the fact The Duckhead has loudly, brutally, and repeatedly promised to be a war criminal.
As I have quoted him above, he is openly vowing to be substantially more aggressive and thuggish than our present policy. “Torture works, and even if not, they deserve it” is neither Administration policy nor part of the Clinton program. Nor is “It’s our oil, we took it fair and square, losers.
Yet somehow, a view of him as some sort of anti-hegemonic peacenik persists.
You know, Trumpeters, it’s really, really, really sad when Glenn Beck is more honest and perceptive than your sorry ol’ self. He’s done with The Donald. “It is not acceptable to ask a moral, dignified man to cast his vote to help elect an immoral man who is absent decency or dignity….”
He doesn’t strike me as either moral or dignified, but if thinking he is eases him out of The Cult of the Deal, more power to him.

Posted by: rufus magister | Oct 11 2016 22:45 utc | 160

163
What a strange fellow you are, rufus. “Whatever actions Mrs. Clinton did or did not take, they do not alter the fact The Duckhead has loudly, brutally, and repeatedly promised to be a war criminal.”
I am not infatuated with Trump, not in the least; but Clinton has real corpses to show for her work, and Trump has shown, so far, only unsettling menace.
But have you lost your senses? Are the atrocities visited on Libya and Syria through bad faith diplomacy, subversion, and sleeping with the enemy, not war crimes. Hillary Clinton is the Godzilla of American politics, and her trail of victims is a long one. She and her minions stole the primary from Sanders, too; so she is not even remotely in favor of democracy. If she becomes president, there will probably be a lot more bloody coups in South America, and elsewhere. As Secretary of State, Clinton has had her hand in murderous affairs and poisonous diplomacy.
And the Russians are probably waiting to see if she is elected; in order to know if they should set their retaliatory apparatus on a hair trigger.
After your last screed, and the monotonous harangues that preceded it, I find it hard to believe that you are even a real red.

Posted by: Copeland | Oct 12 2016 0:33 utc | 161

But have you lost your senses?
Posted by: Copeland | Oct 11, 2016 8:33:14 PM | 164

No rufie hasn’t lost his senses, but his main reason for being here is to shill for Zion while pretending to be a red, and Killary has stated loudly how much she loves Zion so naturally Rufie’s shilling for Killary now.

After your last screed, and the monotonous harangues that preceded it, I find it hard to believe that you are even a real red.

First and foremost he’s a shill for Zion, the pretence at being Red is merely to disguise that.
The shill knows all about Killary’s trail of death and destruction as Sec of State, and cares not to acknowledge it.
The shill also knows that she has repeatedly declared her willingness to start wars “for Israel”.
So naturally, being a dishonest duplicitious Zionist shill, he pretends none of that is real, and instead rants about the alleged future acts of the Duckhead, to distract from the fact that Rufie himself is a lying little Zionist Fukhead

Posted by: killary PAC | Oct 12 2016 1:00 utc | 162

This is the first prezamerika beauty contest for a long while where it hasn’t been possible to quickly identify the queen before the judges even meet.
Many will claim that shrub’s win in 2000 was similarly unpredictable, but I felt certain that the combo of disillusionment/lethargy from the dems following cigar willie’s debacle plus the innate crookedness/meanness of the bushclan made shrub’s victory a straightforward call.
Those two features are dichotomised this contest.
ClintonInc obviously have the crooked control of contest rules & officials this time, but on the other hand they are handicapped by voters recognising the absolute best outcome they can hope to get from a ClintonInc® victory is more of the same.
More lynchings by law enforcement, more unemployment, more homeless working poor, more wars, more inequality. A huge % of those who voted Oblamblam in 08 & 12 are gonna stay home this time around and that is as plain as Bill’s missus.
Running hill the shill is gonna cost dem legislators big time sadly – lets hope they learn from it.
On the other hand we just don’t know how fervent the rethugs are gonna be firing up the machine in the so called battleground states. If you have spent any time at all watching conservative politics you will know that a big % of the grunt work is undertaken by women – will they turn up to scrutinize the poll & man (irony) the phone banks etc or will they stay home? Has the media’s unrelenting campaign of depicting Trump as a pig caused the backbone of the rethug system to collapse?
How many voters are awake to reality that this is a contest between a wart encrusted asshole and a purulent pus dripping dick, sure, but the dick is so flaccid & uselessly incompetent he’s not gonna be able to get an nth of the stuff he wants to, actually done, whereas warty the asshole is gratefully receiving anyone prepared to drop a washington on the dresser.
Impeachment would have to be a real prospect for whichever victor but clinton have all the experience and knowledge to stymie that – not so much trump.
A trump victory will cripple the rethugs for a very long time, and a clinton loss will force the dems to finally confront the fact that neoliberalism is antithetical to their supporters & those supporters now recognise that.
I cannot imagine either of them vetoing verification of TPP or halting the relentless drive for TTIP, but the donald is capable of screwing with the delicate balance of the complex and incredibly secret series of kabuki plays from myriad diverse national pols which have been required to maneuver TPA to this point and will certainly get his size 6’s in the way of the TTIP jig.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Oct 12 2016 3:00 utc | 163

#164, #165
Definitely not a Zio Shill here. If anything, too far au contraire. But I can’t see Rufie fundamentally saying anything else is that Trump promises to be at least as bad as the current Obamistani Administration. And that part, from the point of view of his oft proclaimed hostility toward Iran, friendliness towards actual Likudniks, friendly views towards US torture in general, tendency to keep mistaking 9-11 Hava Nagilahs for Allahu Akbars, the fact that he happily pimped out his arguably very intelligent and very good looking Ivanka to a Kushner (how’s that family name for a stereotype?)… it all points to a guy who is bringing more of a changeover from Haaretz to Jerusalem Post rather than if USA blindly supports Oded Yinon in general, or if it doesn’t.
Having said all of this, regardless of her official program, I have no doubt that HRC is a past, as well as a future, sociopathic liar and war criminal more likely to lead to a thermonuclear WW3 than any other candidate currently available, and anyone supporting her by voting for her should be held liable as an accomplice in multifaceted crimimality. In fact, I’d rather have Bibi himself, YES I mean Benjamin Netanyahu as the US Pres than Hillary R C or any of her fucktard WS bankster cleptocrat minions. He is a bastard, but he is very likely relatively sane in the head and quite intelligent too. Far more so than most US politicians, if I might add.
Another observation from a guy with ongoing interest in Medinat and who tends to like to follow some of their media. Bizzarely enough, almost all of Yisraeli MSM has sounded far less biased, Hasbari and, frankly, far less insulting to an informed reader’s mind than their NATO cuckold equivalents (WaPo, NYT, WSJ, Rear Guardian, Le Monde du queers, Time, Spiegel, you name em.) for, what, at least 2 years now?… They call a spade a spade far more often. They don’t seem convinced that Russia will try to conquer the planet. Just don’t rely on them to report fairly on Israeli conduct towards the Arabs in general and Palestinians in particular. Just my 5c and a bit off topic…

Posted by: Quadriad | Oct 12 2016 3:10 utc | 164

Mrs. Clinton has long been a senior official in the world’s sole indispensible superpower, and has the baggage to go along with it. This requires little discussion, except to note that Libya is kinda low down on the list of 21st. Century Foreign Policy Debacles; the Second Gulf War is the leader going away.
What is under discussion is the likely parameters of a supposed Trump “Administration.”
I am taking The Donald at his best, most fabulous words. He thinks we aren’t being brutal enough. “La-la-la-la-la, can’t hear you, reality don’t exist, ‘cuz, zionist conspiracy!”

Posted by: rufus magister | Oct 12 2016 3:13 utc | 165

65;The rethugs like McCain,Ryan etc etc should all be voted out this year.
Whoever is in, no matter the party, should be voted out, and voila,next time they’ll respond to our wishes, not the 1%.
The reelection rate is obscene,considering their approval rating.
Posted by: dahoit | Oct 9, 2016 5:33:02 PM | 72

There’s certainly a powerful argument for refusing to vote for any (Privately Owned) candidate proposed by the (Privately Owned) Republican and Democrat parties. Tricking The People into letting them buy most of the politicians was the Neoliberal 1%’s greatest victory.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 12 2016 3:13 utc | 166

#168 Rufie
So, you actually believe everything Trump says? Including that he’ll investigate 9/11 to the bones?
If not, do you pick the bits about him that you prefer to hate as him being honest, and the rest as dishonest?
And, how did that that logic work out with the current House Negro POTUS? Hope and Change? Change to far worse, and far more sinister and banksterite, by the look of it.

Posted by: Quadriad | Oct 12 2016 3:18 utc | 167

I wonder that the term “gaslightening” never came up in the comments. Because that is whats all about the polls, the establishment and MSM fury about Trump and quite some comments here. Gaslightening. Trying to make you believe that your own perception of reality is false, that you are weak and cannot do anything to change the situation. Gaslightening worked well in the past and was not even necessary in the spectacular way we see it practiced nowadays. But something changed in the past years in western societies, because the only things that grow now are debt and the number of “deplorables”. BREXIT was a sign that all the propaganda tools are not working anymore. The rise of somebody like Trump, and AFD in Germany and FPÖ in Austria and LePen in France and on and on and on are signs too. When they success to block a Trump landslide in this way or the other do you think that that what was bringing him so far will go away? Dream on. Trump is just a softball version of what awaits you then in 4 years. Anyway, make your own polls. Make them at Starbucks and make them at Kentucky Fried Chicken. And wonder.

Posted by: Wolfgang | Oct 12 2016 8:29 utc | 168

Hate to be a pedant Wolfgang #171, but the term is gaslighting its a current net trope based on what happened in an ancient movie called “Gaslight” (1944) depending upon your age you may have seen it as it was a popular late night movie on TV thru the 60’s & 70’s. The lovely Ingrid Bergman who is as rich & famous in the movie as real life is married to a rotter (AFAIK Charles Boyer) who decides to send her crazy & get her to commit suicide so he can pass Go collect the money houses & hotels n not go to jail. He creates an unreal environment to do just that & you are correct that the term applies to the distorted portrayal of the prez contestants in the media.
What gets me is the arrogance of the media who cannot conceive that their blatant preferring of one candidate over the other will not go down well in 2016 where journos are down there with politicians & time share salesmen in the public estimation.
The most recent example of joe voter’s determination not to do as he/she is told was reflected in the failure of the FARC referendum. Colombians had been browbeaten by media for 50 years that FARC were a gang of narco terrorists, then suddenly without any acknowledgement from that media that they had always presented a distorted view of the civil war, the same outlets that had been baying for FARQ blood so long, instructed citizens to fill their hearts with peace & love towards the alleged narcoterrorists.
It was such a blatant 180 most people stayed at home unwilling to confront ‘the new reality’. The only types to turn up were mostly the loony toons militia butchers who didn’t want to see the story change.
That will be what happens in Ms Prez 2016, most people are either too confused or too turned off by the propaganda to commit to either of the scumbags, and that means the loony god botherers may be the only cohort which votes in great number in which case trump will piss it in.
As I already posted, it will be dem candidates for congress & senate that will cop the worst of this mess because a big chunk of dems simply won’t turn up to vote.
That will be bad news for everyone bar Mrs Clinton if she wins & the rethugs hold both houses. That is what Clinton wants she can ‘do business’ with rethug crooks but not so much with dems if any with remaining vestiges of principle win their seat.
Clinton is just as sexist and racist as trump her whole super predator riff is responsible for millions of impoverished minorities having to spend the rest of their lives slotted up in the slammer.
Plus she staunchly defends Saudi & Qatar the worst two nations for women on the planet. Takes their money for the foundation then gets state to agree to sell em guns knowing the ISIS is gonna be the end user.
Me, I’ve got no problem with ISIS – they are the natural end product of colonialism, but I doubt many amerikans see it that way so unless Clinton has a helluva lot more gutter swill on trump, amerikan voters are gonna cop the drip, drip of more scandalous wikileaks revelations between now and election day.
I guess Mr Assange doesn’t believe Oblamnam is gonna pardon him eh?

Posted by: Debsisdead | Oct 12 2016 9:15 utc | 169

Thanks for the spelling correction, Debsis. I am not a native speaker but I know about the movie.
I think this here could be a worthwhile read (including the comments) for all of you:
Link to The Coming of the Postliberal Era
After that look for his articles about Trump (most of them from early this year). The Archdruid is not at all a Trump supporter. But he was one of the few (Scott Adams the other – but the Archdruid has a lot more substance), who, in a time when everybody was thinking about Trump as a joke, saw the Donald marching through.
Just a quote from him:
“The current US presidential election shows, perhaps better than anything else, just how far that decadence has gone. Hillary Clinton’s campaign is floundering in the face of Trump’s challenge because so few Americans still believe that the liberal shibboleths in her campaign rhetoric mean anything at all. Even among her supporters, enthusiasm is hard to find, and her campaign rallies have had embarrassingly sparse attendance. Increasingly frantic claims that only racists, fascists, and other deplorables support Trump convince no one but true believers, and make the concealment of interests behind shopworn values increasingly transparent. Clinton may still win the election by one means or another, but the broader currents in American political life have clearly changed course.
It’s possible to be more precise. Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump, in stark contrast to Clinton, have evoked extraordinarily passionate reactions from the voters, precisely because they’ve offered an alternative to a status quo pervaded by the rhetoric of a moribund liberalism. In the same way, in Britain—where the liberal movement followed a somewhat different trajectory but has ended up in the same place—the success of the Brexit campaign and the wild enthusiasm with which Labour Party voters have backed the supposedly unelectable Jeremy Corbyn show that the same process is well under way there. Having turned into the captive ideology of an affluent elite, liberalism has lost the loyalty of the downtrodden that once, with admittedly mixed motives, it set out to help. That’s a loss it’s unlikely to survive.
Over the decades ahead, in other words, we can expect the emergence of a postliberal politics in the United States, England, and quite possibly some other countries as well. The shape of the political landscape in the short term is fairly easy to guess. Watch the way the professional politicians in the Republican Party have flocked to Hillary Clinton’s banner, and you can see the genesis of a party of the affluent demanding the prolongation of free trade, American intervention in the Middle East, and the rest of the waning bipartisan consensus that supports its interests. Listen to the roars of enthusiasm for Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump—or better still, talk to the not inconsiderable number of Sanders supporters who will be voting for Trump this November—and you can sense the emergence of a populist party seeking the abandonment of that consensus in defense of its very different interests.
What names those parties will have is by no means certain yet, and a vast number of other details still have to be worked out. One way or another, though, it’s going to be a wild ride.”

Posted by: Wolfgang | Oct 12 2016 10:05 utc | 170

Posted by: Debsisdead | Oct 12, 2016 5:15:03 AM | 172
I guess Mr Assange doesn’t believe Oblamnam is gonna pardon him eh?
Assange just needs someone to call the dogs off. Trump might do that. Chelsea Manning needs a pardon. It is quite possible that this is personal between the Obama administration/Clinton and Assange.
It would be interesting to see what Trump would mean corruption wise. His father and him have always been on the other side of political corruption. The wall to Mexico basically is a huge building industry project (they will need Mexican workers for, I bet).
But you are right – if Clinton becomes unviable, Trump is the default, no matter how few people actually vote for him.

Posted by: somebody | Oct 12 2016 10:12 utc | 171

Posted by: somebody | Oct 12, 2016 6:12:38 AM | 174
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Posted by: somebody | Oct 12 2016 10:26 utc | 172


Mrs. Clinton has long been a senior official in the world’s sole indispensible superpower, and has the baggage to go along with it. This requires little discussion, except to note that Libya is kinda low down on the list of 21st. Century Foreign Policy Debacles; the Second Gulf War is the leader going away.
Posted by: rufus magister | Oct 11, 2016 11:13:36 PM | 168

Notice that despite any claims he may make to the contrary the Zionist (but pretend Red) shill does his absolute best to distract from or downplay the atrocities committed under Killary’s watch as Sec of State. Notice bufoonish Trump is always referred to as “the Duckhead” while psychopathic Killary is always respectfully referred to as “Mrs Clinton”.
Notice The zionist shill’s desire to use harmless sounding euphemisms in order to downplay Killary’s atrocities, referring to the war crime and humanitarian disaster that is the Libyan war as mere “baggage”.
Watch the zionist shill desperately trying to dismiss this war crime and humanitarian disaster as “requir[ing] little discussion” – Why? because the Zionist shill does not want it discussed nor attributed to Killary – he wants us to forget all about her psychopathic “We came, we saw, he died” laugh-a-minute comments
What is under discussion is the likely parameters of a supposed Trump “Administration.”
No, the likely parameters of a Killary Admin are also under discussion. I realise you are desperately trying to confine conversation to what you see as Trump’s idiocy, but you do not control conversation here, thankfully
I am taking The Donald at his best, most fabulous words. He thinks we aren’t being brutal enough.
So does Killary – she wants a No Fly Zone in Syria, she has openly and loudly called for it several times – and the Wikileak email-dump shows that, while addressing her Billionaire Wall Street friends, she already has admitted that a NFZ in Syrian would “cost the lives of a lot of Syrian civilians” (her words) – yet she wants that NFZ nonetheless, because she couldn’t give a damn about civilians in Syria or anywhere else (unless they are Israeli?) – her hundreds of Millions in campaign contributions come from Wall St big-wigs, NOT from filthy civilians.
La-la-la-la-la, can’t hear you, reality don’t exist, ‘cuz, zionist conspiracy!”
Reality is that YOU are clearly dishonest duplicitous Zionist shill Rufie – your constant pretence to be here merely to discuss Ukraine, but then loudly shilling for both Zion and one of the most psychopathic pro-zionist Sec’s of State in recent memory, prove it.

Posted by: Killary PAC | Oct 12 2016 10:36 utc | 173

The reality is that when all of the above has already been repestedly pointed out to the Zionist shill, and his moronically childish reaction usually is:
“La-la-la-la-la, can’t hear you, reality don’t exist, ‘cuz . . . haterz!”

Posted by: Killary PAC | Oct 12 2016 10:41 utc | 174

Me, I’ve got no problem with ISIS – they are the natural end product of colonialism
Posted by: Debsisdead | Oct 12, 2016 5:15:03 AM | 172

Sure, provided you define “the natural end product of colonialism” as being the fulfilment of a decades old zionist Yinon plan, to balkanise/destroy any country in the Middle East that might stand up to Zionisms plans for Middle East domination, by using extremist religious nutters as a proxy army to destroy those countries.
But I’m pretty sure that’s not what you meant when you used that phrase.

Posted by: Killary PAC | Oct 12 2016 10:54 utc | 175

Hillary Clinton: Candidate of War
October 10, 2016
By Daniel Lazare
In case there was still any uncertainty, Hillary Clinton banished all doubt in her second debate with Donald Trump. A vote for her is a vote not only for war, but for war on behalf of Al Qaeda.
This is clear from her response to ABC reporter Martha Raddatz’s painfully loaded question about the Syrian conflict. With Raddatz going on about the hundreds killed by the evil twins, Bashar al-Assad and Putin and even tossing in the Holocaust for good measure, Clinton saw no reason to hold back:

“Well, the situation in Syria is catastrophic and every day that goes by we see the results of the regime – by Assad in partnership with the Iranians on the ground, the Russians in the air – bombarding places, in particular Aleppo where there are hundreds of thousands of people, probably about 250,000 still left, and there is a determined effort by the Russian air force to destroy Aleppo in order to eliminate the last of the Syrian rebels who are really holding out against the Assad regime.
“Russia hasn’t paid any attention to ISIS. They’re interested in keeping Assad in power. So I, when I was secretary of state, advocated, and I advocate today, a no-fly-zone and safe zones. … But I want to emphasize that what is at stake here is the ambitions and the aggressiveness of Russia. Russia has decided that it’s all in in Syria, and they’ve also decided who they want to see become president of the United States too, and it’s not me. I stood up to Russia, I’ve taken on Putin and others, and I would do that as president.”

It was an astonishing performance, even for a presidential debate. Rarely have more lies and misstatements been crammed into a single two-minute statement.
Where to begin?

Posted by: Bo Dacious | Oct 12 2016 11:07 utc | 176

in re 170 —
Most of the words from The Donalds…. whatever I don’t believe. Like him doing anything about inequality or reviving manufacturing.
But when the huuuuge domestic bully says he’s going to be a huuuuuge international bully, I see no reason to doubt him. He does after all have John Bolton in his camp.

Posted by: rufus magister | Oct 12 2016 11:55 utc | 177

in re 176 —
Certainly seems to follow the Protocall….

Posted by: rufus magister | Oct 12 2016 12:08 utc | 179

re @ #178
” Sure, provided you define “the natural end product of colonialism” as being the fulfilment of a decades old zionist Yinon plan, to balkanise/destroy any country in the Middle East that might stand up to Zionisms plans for Middle East domination, by using extremist religious nutters as a proxy army to destroy those countries.
I am always troubled by selective dismissal of western media propaganda. People who rightly reject the media take on Israel and/or Syria, sometimes swallow whole the lies and propaganda about another group just because it supports their particular take on the world.
This is a somewhat perilous pastime, when none of us really know or have a hope of finding out whether many of acts attributed to ISIS were committed by them or whether they actually occurred at all.
So while I don’t wanna be around when a kid with a suicide vest pulls the cord and neither would I want anyone I care about to be around it, there is no doubt in my mind that as much as they deny it the scumbag pols who plan and initiate invasions of ME nations and the inevitable resource theft have had to slow down & be much more circumspect about what they do since their atrocities in the ME have kicked off payback at home.
The concept of reuniting the arab ME which was deliberately Balkanised 120 years ago by Britain and France to weaken it and make it more manageable is a sound strategy. It scares the bejesus outta FukUSi because it would be so effective.
Obviously it will struggle to succeed while sectarianism is at the top of its priorities – if it really is, because remember in Iraq pre invasion sectarianism was becoming a thing of the past and amerika had to work really hard running false flag attacks against mosques and citizens to crank it up again and get to the point where they imagined they would be able to divide and rule.
There is no reason why a united caliphate wouldn’t evolve into the same sort of inclusive state that Iraq was becoming under Ba’athist rule – as long as the caliphate resisted those foreign interests who sought to crank up sectarian division to regain control.
We forget that it is Saudi plus at couple of the smaller Gulf states who are using their purse string control of ISIS to insist on a wahabi style of sectarianism simply because they don’t want ISIS to succeed, yet they cannot be seen to be outright opposing it, or they lose support from the population. If a caliphate was established the el Sauds would not be running Saudi.
The establishment of a large caliphate would have its own internal dynamic immune from Saudi influence, and a realpolitik driven by citizens wanting peace not war would take hold just as it has in previous arab administrations.
France and the UK deliberately drew their maps the way they did all those years ago to ensure the oil rich nations would struggle to maintain stability and be forever reliant on western arms and support.
eg Saudi Arabia where nearly all shia lands apart from those that held all the oil were pushed to Yemen and a Sunni tribe given power. That was a deliberate act to keep Saudi unstable & dependent. Shia resentment at being the source of Sunni wealth yet unable to participate in it or resist because their numbers in Saudi were so much less than those of the el Saud mob, was StJohn Philby’s perfect plan for controlling the area until the last drop of oil was extracted.
No real progress can happen for Arabs as long as they are fragmented and gunning for each other, the establishment of a caliphate is the best long term solution for all Arabs.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Oct 12 2016 12:45 utc | 180

176;Yes,that’s it, a commie zionist liar.
Amusing the purists here who won’t vote Trump as the only logical alternative to the reign of terror of zion.
I have an old atlas from 73(Hammond World Atlas),where the US states are marked with the manufacturing in each state,and the multitude of industry in each is remarkable and a sign of our economic power.
I don’t have a modern edition,but I bet its a wasteland of nada,as the only jobs left are of servitude retail and food preparation.Unions destroyed,people impoverished and Wall Street triumphant.
This is Trumps agenda,to regain our once great nation for its people,and not globalization and its inherent zionist fealty.
And IsUS are mercenaries who work for evil people,so I can’t back anything they do.F*ck them,no matter their reason for existence.
Until the Muslims stop the internecine idiocy between Shia and Sunni,they will be toast.
Americans gave up on internecine Christian garbage long ago,although you can bet the ziomonsters are working on that angle.

Posted by: dahoit | Oct 12 2016 13:38 utc | 181

If citizens of the world got to vote.
https://worldwide.vote/hillary-vs-trump/#/
The 24HR US Poll has been heavily one sided for Trump in the last week.

Posted by: MadMax2 | Oct 12 2016 14:18 utc | 182

http://politicalcult.com/wikileaks-email-hillary-voters/
from wikileaks (Bill Ivey and John Podesta exchanges):
Just so we’re perfectly clear here; Ivey admitted that the left has “conspired” to produce “unaware and compliant” voters, meaning it’s favorable to them to have uninformed minions who pull the lever for Democrats like they’re told. His issue is that people aren’t as easily manipulated as they used to be, and figuring out how to make people “compliant” again “demands some serious, serious thinking.”

Posted by: Curtis | Oct 12 2016 14:51 utc | 183

WikiLeaks – Proof that Hillary “Hates everyday Americans”?

    “I know she has begun to hate everyday Americans, but I think we should use it once the first time she says “I’m running for president because you and everyday Americans need a champion”.”

This is person that the duplicitous clown posting at #149, #153, #156, #163 & #168 thinks deserves to be President of the US?

Posted by: Bo Dacious | Oct 12 2016 22:04 utc | 184

Lost in the flood
Lost in the Trump the Lecher tape frenzy are the new details about how HRC & the Wall Street investors in her campaign are conspiring to rape the economy.
+ For starters, how about the revelation, largely unremarked upon, of Hillary’s stealth scheme to overhaul (that is, privatize and cut benefits) Social Security?
+ Then there’s the fealty she pledged to Wall Street, as disclosed in her Goldman speeches. Goldman didn’t pay all that money to listen to her feeble ideas on the economy. They paid for her to act on theirs. Here’s a direct link to an 80-page document prepared by Clinton campaign of “damaging” material from Hillary’s paid speeches.
+ Clinton campaign manager Robby Mook: “It’s a little troubling that Clinton Foundation meeting was held in Goldman Sachs HQ.” You think?
+ Bill Clinton made $375K from speeches to Keystone Pipeline related interests, while Hillary, at State, helped fine-tune the messaging. Ka-Ching! Sierra Club and The Nation endorse anyway!! Ka-Ching!!
+ Never mind the Wall St. talks / let’s print a Trump sex tape / I’ll salute the Stein campaign / and I hope somebody relates / I’m so Gored by the USA / But what can I do?

Posted by: Bo Dacious | Oct 12 2016 22:24 utc | 185

I see a lot loose talk from newbies like the SwilleryHAC or Blo’dacious, but precious bloody little that would refute my point about The Duckhead’s foreign polcy goals. They’re HUUUUGE!!!
At 184 dahoit actually makes 1/2 a point.
You know, I would think that if your program really was to revive American manufactures, you wouldn’t have your fabulous products made in China, your buildings made with imported steel, and your hotels stocked with foreign goods. So says the president of the steelworkers union.
Just the sorta fellow prole a red would quote, doncha think?

Trump’s failure to use American materials to construct his hotels in Chicago and Las Vegas shows not just the fundamental dishonesty that embodies this fraud of a man, but also the insincerity of his claims that he will bring jobs back to America and stand up for workers.

Let us all savor that juicy bit of rhetoric — “the fundamental dishonesty that embodies this fraud of a man….”

If he truly cared about American jobs, he would have created them. If he truly cared about American manufacturers, he would have used them. Instead, he chose to use artificially cheap, foreign products in order to pocket more money for himself….
Earlier this year at a rally in Fort Wayne, Ind., Trump even said, “We can’t continue to allow China to rape our country, and that’s what they’re doing.”
Yet, clandestinely, he is one of China’s best customers by continuously using their products and materials, to build his hotels, to furnish them, from the dressers to the Bibles, and to supply his signature clothing line, directly fueling the unfair trade he vows to end.

Nor would you say you thought that autoworkers were overpaid. Nor would you add that why outsource to China, when you could have states here undercut each others wages and standards in a race to the bottom?
Do you really think the Koch-funded Tea Party House majority would go along with the return of union labor?
Instead, it looks like more the of the same bait-and-switch that the Rethuglicans have been pulling since it was “Morning in America.” Just sayin’….
Given that we’re awash in thermonuclear and conventional weapons, and face global problems, particularly global warming, something apart from a Hobbesian “war of all against all” in international relations is needed. My own vision of One is a little more hard-rock than neo-liberal. “We may rise and fall but in the end we’ll meet our fate together.”
And so The Struggle Continues.
Meanwhile, as folks here insist upon the absolute probity of Their Fearless Orange Leader and refuse to countenence dissent, the Rethugs are now in a state of civil war. Hey, don’t take my word for it, Fox News says so.
The rats continue to jump the sinking ship. Judge Napolitano is the latest to make for lifeboats, as he Defends Clinton from Trump’s Four Accusers. This is again Fox.

Judge Napolitano replied, “I don’t think Hillary is at fault in this case. In any of these cases… We’re talking about a wife standing by her husband when claims are made against her husband as to which the proof is, as you say, is lacking. Claims that were late, claims that lacked credibility… claims that were later retracted and then reinstated. What woman wouldn’t stand by her husband in that circumstance?”

The LA Times offers an interesting structural analysis; gerrymandering got them a safe House majority, but suddenly made the only threat to GOP Representatives a primary opponent further right.
Those in safe seats face strong pressure to hold to The Donald, and not go after independents or moderates.

Senators don’t have the luxury of tailor-made districts as they run for office statewide, which is why so many more of them have abandoned Trump….
Among those who dropped Trump… were many senators running for reelection in battleground states… and the few House Republicans in the remaining competitive districts, such as Rep. Mike Coffman in Colorado and Rep. Barbara Comstock in Virginia. Some like Rep. Carlos Curbelo in Florida were never on board.

So the folks with skin in the game, as opposed to loudmouths just talkin’ smack over the ‘net, are not terribly enamored of all The Duckery that their candidate has been up to of late, and seem to be shorting his prospects. “It’s just business, nothing personal.”
And good stuff on Trumpeters stuffing the electronic ballot box at Alternet.

Posted by: rufus magister | Oct 13 2016 4:21 utc | 186

Once again we see why western MSM = shit,
7 women come out and spread sexual harassment lies about Trump today.
https://twitter.com/scottbix/status/786401834600501248
MSM jumps on it direct, or perhaps they are the ones behind this operation?

Posted by: Man | Oct 13 2016 7:39 utc | 187

it is obvious that those 7 or 8 allegations are clearly choreographed, indicating collusion and co-ordination, between the accusers, the media and the Clinton campaign, But that doesn’t make them necessarily false.
Just as the existence of a veritable mountain of not merely sex assault but actual full-on Rape allegations against Bill Clinton the husband of the Democratic Presidential Candidate, doesn’t make them false. But the media doing it’s best to downplay or ignore those allegations of Rape, against Bill Clinton, again indicates collusion and co-ordination, between the media and the Clinton campaign.

Posted by: Bo Dacious | Oct 13 2016 16:39 utc | 188

Hillary Clinton’s axis of evil” (Escobar).
“Quite a cup of hemlock for Hillary Clinton, who has already equated Putin with Hitler. Regime change or hot war?
In the appalling spectacle that turned out to be round two of the interminable Trump/Clinton cage match, Donald Trump once again made a rational point – expressing his wish for a normalized working relationship with Russia. Yet that is absolute anathema for the War Party, as in the neocon/neoliberalcon nebulae in the Beltway-Wall Street axis.
The Clinton (Cash) Machine-controlled Democrats once again condemned Trump as a tool of Putin while bewildered Republicans condemned Trump because he goes against “mainstream Republican thinking”.”

Posted by: Bo Dacious | Oct 13 2016 16:55 utc | 189

Hacked Emails Show Hillary Clinton Repeatedly Praised ultra-low-wages Wal-Mart in Paid Speeches”.

Posted by: Bo Dacious | Oct 13 2016 16:57 utc | 190

Wikileaks dumped 1000s of Podesta emails. Who has got time like that? Everything anyone needed to hang Hillary was in the first State Department dump. For sanity’s sake, just look at the first release and the year 2011. (And her friend, confidant, handler and provider of intelligence, Sid Blumenthal is most interesting seen in context.)
In February of 2011 Jake Sullivan forwards to Hillary Libya: Thoughts on post-Qadhafi assistance and governance. (redacted)
By June, Sid shares an article giving this summary: The bottom line is that Assad’s gestures at reform are delusional attempts… Likely the most important event that could alter the Syrian equation would be the fall of Qaddafi, providing an example of a successful rebellion.
Way before Obama started his “Assad must go,” both overthrows were in the works. Was this legal? Moral? What Obama supporters had voted for?
Lots of interesting stuff in State’s first release, year 2011. I’ll give 2:
May 2 email from sid to H says that: AQIM has acquired about 10 SAM 7- Grail/Streela man-portable air-defense systems
(MANPADS or MPADS) from illegal weapons markets in Western Niger and Northern Mali. These weapons were originally intended for sale to the rebel forces in Libya, hut AQIM operatives were able to meet secretly with these arms dealers and purchase the equipment.
And on Aug 21 from Jake Sullivan to Mills and Nuland, subject tick tock on libya. It gives timeline for HRC’s accomplishments starting in Feb 2011 showing her “leadership/ownership/stewardship of this country’s libya policy from start to finish.”
No wonder she wants to talk about sex, sex sex.

Posted by: just stopped by | Oct 13 2016 21:24 utc | 191

As women start to que up to dish the dirt on The Multicultural Duckhead’s Roman eyes and Russian hands, Trump Is Retreating Into the Fringe Media’s Far-Right Paranoid World as His Campaign Falls Apart

The big dig has begun.
At a time when most presidential campaigns are trying to widen their reach to the largest possible audience during the final weeks of the campaign, Donald Trump seems to be consciously contracting and burrowing down….
[T]he entire goal of this last-ditch campaign effort: to stoke the fascination of the bunker dwellers and their remaining hardcore supporters. “[I]t will satisfy the Breitbart wing of the conservative movement, who only ever wanted to see someone really stick it to Hillary Clinton the way they would if given the chance,” wrote Noah Rothman at the conservative magazine Commentary. “But there is no evidence that Trump will benefit from this in the polls.” (A new NBC/WSJ poll showed Trump trailing by 11 points.)

Even now the campaign is adding to the heavy lift fleet over the Marianas Trench, as the excavation there continues apace. How can he afford all that tonnage and apparatus? He’ll stiff the suppliers, like he always does.
Folks are known by the company they keep. Who are Trump’s advisors and surrogates on foreign and military affairs? What do their records and views suggest about the policies of his increasingly unlikely “Administration”?
This piece from The Daily Beast dryly observes “Trump’s top brass is kind of tarnished.”
Several officers implicated in the Tailhook Scandal are behind The Donald. Why would these rapists be supportive of The Duckhead? Birds of a feather?
But the author focuses more on the dangerous and questionable views of prominent surrogates. Most noteworthy is retired Lt. Gen. Boykin. Folks might recall him as the Crusading Christian Warrior. He believes Christ, the Prince of Peace, will return packing heat. But since he believes the Jews to be the source of the world problems, I dare say our “antizionists” will not have a problem with him.
Well, except that being a fundamentalist Christian, he hates Islam even more. The Daily Beast quotes him as saying “We’re a Christian nation… and the enemy is a guy named Satan.” Speaking of a Somali warlord who had engaged US forces, he stated “I knew that my God was a real God, and his was an idol.”
Perhaps you recall his colorful proselytizing, from the bully pulpit of Deputy Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence, during the Second Gulf War? “He has described himself as a warrior in the kingdom of God and invited others to join with him in fighting for the United States through repentance, prayer and the exercise of faith in God.”
He would later be formally, though very, very lightly, disciplined for this violation of military regulations, which are in place to uphold the seperation of church and state.
But he did get somewhat harsher penalties for his 2008 book, which he did not vet with the security apparat, as is required. And which disclosed classified information. “Military officials didn’t listen to us. That’s unfortunate. If they had, perhaps this latest embarrassment could have been avoided.”
Retired Lt. Gen. McInerney, The Daily Beast recalls, was a Fox News analyst and key Pentagon asset as they gingered up the Second Gulf War. He feels that the present Administration has shorted the discussion on national security, and “especially on radical Islam….”
To be fair, they note that a number of officers with quite respectable resumes and views support The Donald, but it is folks like Boykin that speak for the campaign.
His foreign policy cadre may be dealt with more briefly. I’ve posted earlier about John Bolton and The Donald. Bolton is spoken of as Trumps Shadow Secretary of State, and is said to be keen on regime change. He may be The Duckhead’s only neo-con heavyweight, but I always thought Bolton the most unhinged of that unsavory lot, in his performances as UN Ambassador (a sort of lean, mean Captain Kangaroo).
But apart from that, his foreign policy bench is weak, and Politico adds that no prominent anti-establishment wonks have taken service with His Excellency, The Donald.
I don’t really see what Neil Young once called “a kinder, gentler machine gun hand” coming out of this lot.

Posted by: rufus magister | Oct 14 2016 2:42 utc | 192

As women start to que up to dish the dirt on The Multicultural Duckhead’s Roman eyes and Russian hands, Trump Is Retreating Into the Fringe Media’s Far-Right Paranoid World as His Campaign Falls Apart

The big dig has begun.
At a time when most presidential campaigns are trying to widen their reach to the largest possible audience during the final weeks of the campaign, Donald Trump seems to be consciously contracting and burrowing down….
[T]he entire goal of this last-ditch campaign effort: to stoke the fascination of the bunker dwellers and their remaining hardcore supporters. “[I]t will satisfy the Breitbart wing of the conservative movement, who only ever wanted to see someone really stick it to Hillary Clinton the way they would if given the chance,” wrote Noah Rothman at the conservative magazine Commentary. “But there is no evidence that Trump will benefit from this in the polls.” (A new NBC/WSJ poll showed Trump trailing by 11 points.)

Even now the campaign is adding to the heavy lift fleet over the Marianas Trench, as the excavation there continues apace. How can he afford all that tonnage and apparatus? He’ll stiff the suppliers, like he always does.
Folks are known by the company they keep. Who are Trump’s advisors and surrogates on foreign and military affairs? What do their records and views suggest about the policies of his increasingly unlikely “Administration”?
This piece from The Daily Beast dryly observes “Trump’s top brass is kind of tarnished.”
Several officers implicated in the Tailhook Scandal are behind The Donald. Why would these rapists be supportive of The Duckhead? Birds of a feather?
But the author focuses more on the dangerous and questionable views of prominent surrogates. Most noteworthy is retired Lt. Gen. Boykin. Folks might recall him as the Crusading Christian Warrior. He believes Christ, the Prince of Peace, will return packing heat. But since he believes the Jews to be the source of the world problems, I dare say our “antizionists” will not have a problem with him.
Well, except that being a fundamentalist Christian, he hates Islam even more. The Daily Beast quotes him as saying “We’re a Christian nation… and the enemy is a guy named Satan.” Speaking of a Somali warlord who had engaged US forces, he stated “I knew that my God was a real God, and his was an idol.”
Perhaps you recall his colorful proselytizing, from the bully pulpit of Deputy Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence, during the Second Gulf War? “He has described himself as a warrior in the kingdom of God and invited others to join with him in fighting for the United States through repentance, prayer and the exercise of faith in God.”
He would later be formally, though very, very lightly, disciplined for this violation of military regulations, which are in place to uphold the seperation of church and state.
But he did get somewhat harsher penalties for his 2008 book, which he did not vet with the security apparat, as is required. And which disclosed classified information. “Military officials didn’t listen to us. That’s unfortunate. If they had, perhaps this latest embarrassment could have been avoided.”
Retired Lt. Gen. McInerney, The Daily Beast recalls, was a Fox News analyst and key Pentagon asset as they gingered up the Second Gulf War. He feels that the present Administration has shorted the discussion on national security, and “especially on radical Islam….”
To be fair, they note that a number of officers with quite respectable resumes and views support The Donald, but it is folks like Boykin that speak for the campaign.
His foreign policy cadre may be dealt with more briefly. I’ve posted earlier about John Bolton and The Donald. Bolton is spoken of as Trumps Shadow Secretary of State, and is said to be keen on regime change. He may be The Duckhead’s only neo-con heavyweight, but I always thought Bolton the most unhinged of that unsavory lot, in his performances as UN Ambassador (a sort of lean, mean Captain Kangaroo).
But apart from that, his foreign policy bench is weak, and Politico adds that no prominent anti-establishment wonks have taken service with His Excellency, The Donald.
I don’t really see what Neil Young once called “a kinder, gentler machine gun hand” coming out of this lot.

Posted by: rufus magister | Oct 14 2016 2:42 utc | 193

192 & 193
They got you Working overtime I see
Clinton SuperPac Admits to Paying Internet Trolls

Posted by: Bo Dacious | Oct 14 2016 7:55 utc | 194


Bolton is spoken of as Trumps Shadow Secretary of State, and is said to be keen on regime change.
Posted by: rufus magister | Oct 13, 2016 10:42:55 PM | 193

Yes, and “The baker of Maidan”, young lil Mrs Kagan herself, Vicki Nuland, is spoken of as Killary’s Secretary of State
And funnily enough, now that you brought it up, she too is also  said to be pretty keen on regime change, having just been up to her neck in pro- Nazi shenanigans in Ukraine.
You’d think you would have known that what with your dubious, but frequent, claims of only being here to talk about Ukraine. Tsk tsk Rufie

Posted by: Bo Dacious | Oct 14 2016 8:07 utc | 195

in re 195 —
So no problem with the Christian Soldiers marching onward to Zion then? Bubba say “Jiiiiihad!” Doubt will see too many crusading Holy Joes in command should Mrs. Clinton prevail.
I don’t like to brag unduly, but since you brought it up, Fort Russ seemed to like what I had to say on Novorossiya earlier this year. That was back before things quieted down in Kiev and at the front after the Yatsenyuk’s departure.

Posted by: rufus magister | Oct 14 2016 12:15 utc | 196

125
Trump last night promised a massively larger $TRILLION Pentagon, but without an audit to find the missing $6T of taxpayers last life savings.
He promised to Stand with Israel for their Seven Front Yinon Plan apocalypse.
He promised a massively larger Missile Defense Agency, with Pence and Bolton promising Two-Front war with Russia and China.
He promised massively larger IDIQNB DHS ICE ATF INS with Super Max prisons in every state, a new $B Federal Secret Police, and a mercenary private for-hire justice system, aka ‘The Wall’.
Oh, and he promised fudgecicles to all the minorities,to dump 20,000,000 uninsureables into MC, massive tax cuts for Corporate,he no longer wants to audit the Fed, …but he will Make America Great Again.
There’s no difference between them. They’re both Globalist NeoCon grifters. Trump-Clinton is Deep State’s brilliant Controlled Dissent Master Class in divide and conquer.
It’s over for America. Send in the clowns.

Posted by: TheRealDonald | Oct 14 2016 14:06 utc | 197