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September 9, 2016
Open Thread 2016-30
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COLOR REVOLUTION USA! (…or why Trump can’t win.)
This seems like preparation for scenario 3: if Trump wins, then Putin hacked the voting machines! Posted by: Petri Krohn | Sep 9 2016 18:18 utc | 1 Trump can’t win because he’s a snake oil salesman. Posted by: bbbb | Sep 9 2016 18:22 utc | 2 Today’s NYT: “Stuck in a Cable Car High Above Mont Blanc, Waiting for Rescue” Posted by: Piotr Berman | Sep 9 2016 18:24 utc | 3 conflict forums latest overview is pretty good and worth a read… Posted by: james | Sep 9 2016 18:36 utc | 4 @ 3 Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Sep 9 2016 18:37 utc | 5 @Formerly T-Bear | Sep 9, 2016 2:37:43 PM | 5 Posted by: Jack Smith | Sep 9 2016 19:12 utc | 6 @ Jack Smith | Sep 9, 2016 3:12:33 PM | 6 Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Sep 9 2016 19:44 utc | 7 Elections are much more dramatic – drawing suckers in for the entertainment of it all – when they appear to be close/split. Unfortunately that makes them easier to flip. Posted by: Curtis | Sep 9 2016 19:45 utc | 8 We hear all but NOTHING about the Turkish onslaught against Kurds in South East Turkey. Posted by: AtaBrit | Sep 9 2016 19:46 utc | 10 In case anybody is interested, a round-up of sorts of Latin America: Posted by: Maracatu | Sep 9 2016 20:16 utc | 12 @Formerly T-Bear | Sep 9, 2016 3:44:56 PM | 7 Posted by: Jack Smith | Sep 9 2016 20:36 utc | 13 @ Curtis | Sep 9, 2016 3:45:10 PM | 8 Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Sep 9 2016 21:11 utc | 14 re atabrit 10 Posted by: Laguerre | Sep 9 2016 21:21 utc | 15 @Laguerre. Apt moniker considering the shit you’re trying to stir up. Let the man have his cause and quit giving it to him in the neck. Assuming the OP is a him, that is. Else substitute appropriate gender pronouns. Posted by: Shh | Sep 9 2016 21:32 utc | 16 formerly t-bear @14 Posted by: jason | Sep 9 2016 21:49 utc | 17 The newest from Dephi: Trump, crossing Rio Grande, will undo a presidency. The minister who proposed to invite Trump already resigned. Posted by: Piotr Berman | Sep 9 2016 21:52 utc | 18 The Automatic Earth has a spectacularly coherent and educational 4-part essay by Nicole Foss:
The move to ban cash is going to have some very interesting unintended consequences. My IT background informs me that freelance hacking, ala Harry Tuttle in the fine film Brazil, will become a thriving cottage industry…until the electric grid fails and the whole system goes to shit. Posted by: Dr. Wellington Yueh | Sep 9 2016 21:53 utc | 19 Is there a possibility that the Brexiteers have seen the light re U$A neotards plan to rule the Earth while sitting upon their collective duffs watching others die so that they, the ‘exceptionals’ and theirs profit quite handsomely while risking nothing? Posted by: ALberto | Sep 9 2016 22:03 utc | 20 The owners of the U.S.™ Inc. business have de facto implemented policies that have been around for ages. Adolf Hitler was the first Saddam Hussein and while the latter was prepped to go after Iraq, the first was prepped up to go after the Soviet Union. Posted by: Stillnottheonly1 | Sep 9 2016 22:06 utc | 21 !!!!!Larry King!!!! The most dangerous talk show host in the world. Go on his program and soon you will have a hankering for borscht and blinis, and unquestioning loyalty to the Kremlin. Hillary should call for a Congressional investigation. Posted by: Erelis | Sep 9 2016 22:06 utc | 22 re Shht 16 Posted by: Laguerre | Sep 9 2016 22:16 utc | 23 “A public letter released Thursday afternoon in Turkey and signed by more than 70 aid agencies slams the UN coordinated humanitarian response in Syria and calls for an immediate and transparent investigation into its operations in the country.” Posted by: damien | Sep 9 2016 22:46 utc | 24 Two observations. First …On stealing elections doesn’t the Electoral College have the final say on which sycophant is awarded the brass ring, with the popular vote acting as a guide line only? “You must determine your best interests with yourself alone, a most frightening prospect for most who have never been faced with being alone with oneself. ” Posted by: juliania | Sep 9 2016 22:52 utc | 26 Regarding Kerry & Sergey Lavrov News conferences. It’s a sell out if the cessation hostilities “plan” implements. Kerry lied and continued lying repeatedly. Once Castello Road open the terrorists resupply and hostilities will increase. Dr. Assad is democratically elected president and not “regime”! Posted by: Jack Smith | Sep 9 2016 22:58 utc | 27 Nicely played, Mr. Putin. Just as the Syrian Government was once again gaining the upper hand, you joined the US in declaring “peace”. Posted by: paul | Sep 9 2016 23:38 utc | 28 …Or… Posted by: Maracatu | Sep 9 2016 23:52 utc | 29 http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-09-09/war-on-terror-could-be-costliest-yet?int=a14709 Posted by: okie farmer | Sep 10 2016 0:07 utc | 30 If you read Lavrov’s many caveats, it’s most likely the ceasefire will NOT be implemented due to massive lack of “trust,” particularly between Russia and Outlaw US Empire. Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 10 2016 0:14 utc | 31 re @karlof1 30 Do I detect a different tone at the BBC? They talk about the ‘government’ of Bashar Assad. And the Syrian army is ‘remarkably cohesive’. They found a ‘tired fighter’ to talk to…. Posted by: dh | Sep 10 2016 1:09 utc | 33 Not sure what Russia is trying to get out of this ceasefire. The US has no leverage right now. Its kurdish allies are in retreat, it can’t work with Turkey, and the Syrian government is making advances in Aleppo and Damascus and Latakia. Why now? What does this accomplish? Posted by: kori | Sep 10 2016 1:18 utc | 34 Congratulation Obomo, A “Flatworm Parasite” was named Baracktrema obamai. Posted by: Jack Smith | Sep 10 2016 1:46 utc | 35 ah, Maracatu | Sep 9, 2016 7:52:44 PM | 28: Posted by: wendy davis | Sep 10 2016 1:53 utc | 36 So there is this rumor out there that forces friendly to Mrs. Clinton are trying to scare folks out of voting for The D**khead Donald. And how does one demonize him? Largely by quoting his own words, coming from his… whatever. But when you get down to it, the media at present is much kinder to the Rethuglican candidate.
Too bad no one stopped him from making “The Apprentice.”
“But, but, but – Benghazi!”
I’m surprised our Trumpeters have not touted the stray polls recently that show Trump with a marginal lead nationally. Truthout has a nice consideration of the meaninglessness of national polls. For those unfamiliar with the intricacies of American electoral practice, it is the Electoral College that formally selects the President, not the popular vote. The author argues that there is little real chance of Trump winning in enough states to prevail there, and then suggest why the media is behaving, as noted above, in such a way as to suggest a race.
Sadly, it looks like the pickings are pretty good here at our little fishing hole. Such is how the trawlers of finance capital gather up the catch. Posted by: rufus magister | Sep 10 2016 2:10 utc | 37 @27 paul.. nicely played yourself.. another thread and another opportunity to tell moa how putin is always fucking up.. lol.. waiting for john to pitch in with the same broken record play-along.. thanks for being consistent! Posted by: james | Sep 10 2016 2:31 utc | 38 @ Dr. Wellington Yueh, Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 10 2016 2:57 utc | 39 rufus @ 36 Posted by: Tom in AZ | Sep 10 2016 3:01 utc | 40 So let me ramble about another of those broken plates I talked about in a previous comment. The preface is this ZH link Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 10 2016 3:14 utc | 41 I am very interested to read b’s take on the latest big boys’ agreement on Syria and good/bad “under/un-employed” ME public. Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 10 2016 3:30 utc | 42 @19 Dr. WY
I had seen Nicole Foss before with regard to peak oil. She has a great understanding of just what is going on, on both the micro- and macro-level, and communicates her understanding very well. Posted by: jfl | Sep 10 2016 3:39 utc | 43 Jack Smith | Sep 9, 2016 3:12:33 PM | 6 Posted by: V. Arnold | Sep 10 2016 4:10 utc | 44 Back to my broken spinning plate examples Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 10 2016 4:13 utc | 45 @ jfl and Dr. WY Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 10 2016 6:02 utc | 46 @ V. Arnold | Sep 10, 2016 12:10:39 AM | 44 Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Sep 10 2016 6:25 utc | 47 Posted by: Laguerre | Sep 9, 2016 5:21:10 PM | 15 Posted by: AtaBrit | Sep 10 2016 10:37 utc | 48 @ Laguerre | Sep 9, 2016 6:16:49 PM | 23 Posted by: AtaBrit | Sep 10 2016 10:49 utc | 49 james says: Posted by: john | Sep 10 2016 10:58 utc | 50 I saw a little blurb about BLM in the lying times;BLM fundraiser called off over Palestinian support. Posted by: dahoit | Sep 10 2016 13:58 utc | 51 Word to the wise, it has become a good bet that HRC’s health is now so fragile that lower order abilities could snap it like a toothpick. Good chance this might happen. Posted by: ThatDamnGood | Sep 10 2016 14:00 utc | 52 Tom, 40 — Posted by: rufus magister | Sep 10 2016 14:06 utc | 53 Submitted for your approval — while the MSM clutches the pearls, they’re pretty light on The Donald. That seems to be the consensus about Lauer’s moderation of the military forum. Posted by: rufus magister | Sep 10 2016 14:52 utc | 54 Formerly T-Bear | Sep 10, 2016 2:25:35 AM | 47 Posted by: V. Arnold | Sep 10 2016 15:01 utc | 55 @50 john.. sorry john – meant tom… he hasn’t chimed in yet! Posted by: james | Sep 10 2016 16:09 utc | 56 – Hillary Clinton has serious health problems ? Posted by: Willy2 | Sep 10 2016 16:35 utc | 57 This morning, after finishing my paramilitary exercises, I took a walk down by the lake. The weather here is still late summer- a bit balmy if not for a crisp breeze from the north. I watched the few small craft and pleasure boats intermingle with the roaring of jet skis, in a maelstrom of late summer fun. I soon grew tired of watching, and made my way home through the public park. Posted by: battling maxo | Sep 10 2016 16:37 utc | 58 Petri @ 1, some argument/disc 🙂 Posted by: Noirette | Sep 10 2016 16:54 utc | 59 – I think that both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are extremely unfit to become the next US president. It’s simply a sign how deep the corruption in Washington DC has taken root. Posted by: Willy2 | Sep 10 2016 16:57 utc | 60 AtaBrit@48 Posted by: wayoutwest | Sep 10 2016 20:07 utc | 61 Pensacola, Florida (CNN)Donald Trump vowed Friday that if Iran inappropriately approached US ships, they would be “shot out of the water.” Posted by: Piotr Berman | Sep 10 2016 20:14 utc | 62 – Both Hillary Clinton & Donald Trump don’t want to cut “Defense spending” by one (dollar-)cent. Posted by: Willy2 | Sep 10 2016 20:21 utc | 63 @ Noirette | Sep 10, 2016 12:54:57 PM | 59 Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Sep 10 2016 20:33 utc | 64 Gaza man shot dead in protest near border with Israel: Palestinian official
The Israelis amuse themselves by shooting Palestinians inside Gaza, protesting the Israelis’ walling them in alive. The Israelis treatment of the Palestinians in Palestine is now not much different than the NAZIs treatment of the Jews in Europe … in Warsaw, for instance … seventy years ago.
Hillary is right behind … more likely in front of … him. Posted by: jfl | Sep 10 2016 20:38 utc | 65 Once again, What resolution was made between Russia and the US about turkeys invasion of Syria ? *Crickets.* Posted by: tom | Sep 10 2016 20:40 utc | 66 @ Piotr Berman | Sep 10, 2016 4:14:17 PM | 62 Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Sep 10 2016 20:44 utc | 67 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmNkSxroLsw Posted by: ruralito | Sep 10 2016 20:47 utc | 68 Dear Formerly T-Bear, Posted by: Piotr Berman | Sep 11 2016 3:46 utc | 69 @ Piotr 69 Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Sep 11 2016 5:22 utc | 70 Teardrop Monument – A Gift from the People of Russia to America 9/11. If you find the information useful, please shares it. (make sure you go to the last weblink) . Thanks Posted by: Jack Smith | Sep 11 2016 5:39 utc | 71 Yeah, I’m sure CNN faked every one of The D**khead Donalds speeches. They have a body double…. Posted by: rufus magister | Sep 11 2016 13:44 utc | 72 @ 72 Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Sep 11 2016 14:22 utc | 73 You’re the one ripping on CNN for reporting what The D**khead says. Stop fouling the air. Posted by: rufus magister | Sep 11 2016 14:33 utc | 74 rufus magister @72? Why dots? Duckhead Donald, or Donald Duckhead actually sounds ok, “Oh, how I love his mighty quack!”. Posted by: Piotr Berman | Sep 11 2016 14:42 utc | 75 Oh yeah,Trump is the stealth candidate for the MSM and zion. Posted by: dahoit | Sep 11 2016 15:16 utc | 76 PB at 75 Posted by: rufus magister | Sep 11 2016 15:18 utc | 77 Oh yes pensions in the third world;Chile is up in arms over the $315 a month private pension system enacted at the shrubs urging and promotion.(NYTs?or Wapo) Posted by: dahoit | Sep 11 2016 15:23 utc | 78 @ dahoit | Sep 11, 2016 11:16:19 AM | 76 Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Sep 11 2016 15:42 utc | 79 – “Russia: Israel, Palestinian Leaders Agree to Meet for Talks” Posted by: Willy2 | Sep 11 2016 16:14 utc | 80 This “election” theater now showing in the U$A, is such fun, absolutely breathtaking. Posted by: ben | Sep 11 2016 16:50 utc | 81 wayoutwest | 61 Posted by: AtaBrit | Sep 11 2016 17:00 utc | 82 Trump is an American for America, unlike these traitors for Israel. Posted by: Piotr Berman | Sep 11 2016 17:14 utc | 83 Piotr Berman @83:
Thoughts are not treasonous. But the term is often used loosely with regard to undermining of a country’s military capability or resolve during peacetime.
Bibi heads an apartheid state. Suggesting that Trump is worse than Bibi is ridiculous. Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 11 2016 19:28 utc | 85 Is the Daily Mail trying to smear Alexander Zakharchenko Prime Minister Donetsk People’s Republic? Posted by: noelm | Sep 11 2016 19:36 utc | 86 Hillary’s chances of becoming the next POTUS have slightly decreesed. It seems the rumors about her health might contain some truth. On the 9/11 memorial you can see her leaning like a fake doll and she couldn’t even enter the black van by herself. If not for her vassals, she would have fallen head first to the ground or maybe even knock her head on the van entry. That would have been magnificent! Then we could have added to here paraphrase: “we came, we saw, he died, I knocked my head and broke my neck.” Posted by: Lamassu | Sep 11 2016 20:54 utc | 87 The hungry Sheep look up, and are not fed, Posted by: derby ram | Sep 11 2016 21:58 utc | 88 Anybody know the protocol for a political campaign that can’t continue? Does the president anoint a succesor? Does the VP step in or the prospective VP. Does Obama continue past January? Posted by: ruralito | Sep 11 2016 22:38 utc | 89 Nothing serious folks. Just a touch of pneumonia. Don’t listen to those stories about psychosis. She’ll be fine. Really. Posted by: dh | Sep 12 2016 0:28 utc | 91 Protocol: DNC selects new candidate, probably sans primaries. I always said it’s Biden’s if he wants it. In fact, I said months ago that he didn’t run cuz he was anticipating getting it by a more direct means. But I think it’s no longer automatically his since perhaps a fresher face will now be chosen. Posted by: Penelope | Sep 12 2016 1:10 utc | 92 Still too early to say with any certainty but carefully orchestrated bulls*t leads me to believe that an exit might be planned. Was she too important to prosecute but was not going to be allowed to be President?
In an election season in which the possibility of Russian manipulation of the election has been raised as a serious issue, the fact that a foreign/foreign-corn individual has taken a video that may have changed the race has not raised any questions? Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 12 2016 2:57 utc | 93 Republicans rave about Tim Kaine Posted by: jfl | Sep 12 2016 3:09 utc | 94 Hitlery is dying. It’s a good news for the whole world. Posted by: Nick | Sep 12 2016 4:46 utc | 96 Jackrabbit @93. Excellent questions. My guess is that the take-down of Hillary is an establishment op. Failing a personality transplant it was never intended that she be prez. All the drama has kept all substantive policy issues out of any real discussion & I think that was the real purpose & design of the entire campaign. Posted by: Penelope | Sep 12 2016 5:42 utc | 97 Ah, Jackrabbit, look at this. Somebody’s suggesting that the last installment of health issues isn’t even played by Hillary, but by a look-alike: Posted by: Penelope | Sep 12 2016 5:57 utc | 98 Hillary dragged on her face into her limo. Weekend at Bernies. Now maybe it’s Bernies time to step up. We’ll see. Posted by: Alexander Grimsmo | Sep 12 2016 6:12 utc | 99 Alexander Grimsmo | Sep 12, 2016 2:12:54 AM | 99 Posted by: V. Arnold | Sep 12 2016 6:48 utc | 100 |
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