Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
September 12, 2016


To those deplorables who catch pneumonia:

This is a high-risk disease for elderly and infants. It can be contagious. To delay therapy is irresponsible.

Posted by b on September 12, 2016 at 6:52 UTC | Permalink


At this juncture I don't believe one damn thing the press (CCM; corporate controlled media) says about anything; and especially Clinton's health.
I think she's on her way out.

Posted by: V. Arnold | Sep 12 2016 7:05 utc | 1

Pneumonia is just a cold,

Until it isn't.

Had it about 30 times, my brother, closer to 50 times.

Posted by: Brunswick | Sep 12 2016 7:09 utc | 2

Word is that Hillary is suffering from "vascular dementia" and will probably die within a year. Or maybe even before the elections.

My guess is she would be replaced by her vice presidential pick Tim Kaine or possibly Joe Biden. Kain would perhaps be less than a total disaster, but relatively little information about him can be discovered immediately. Biden is a hopeless, ancient, corrupt political hack.

Or maybe Hillary will be secretly "replaced" by a double (the Beatles ruse)? If she suddenly recovers the conspiracy world will instantly go on red alert.

Posted by: blues | Sep 12 2016 7:14 utc | 3

NY Times initially reported Hillary's collapse as a stumble. Do they understand in that elite tower that YouTube video all over Twitter almost in real time showed a dramatic fainting collapse? NYT needs a competent PR pro to explain in easy to understand English that it must improve its lying so it accords with immediately and easily observed reality. But ... too arrogant, too privileged. I suppose, though, we should take some hope from the breakdown of traditional uniparty media/propaganda.

Posted by: fairleft | Sep 12 2016 7:25 utc | 4

I hope you've all backed in Donald Trump to win this thing.

Posted by: Julian | Sep 12 2016 11:01 utc | 5


From Wikipedia: "In early 1984, Chernenko was hospitalized for over a month, but kept working by sending the Politburo notes and letters. During the summer, his doctors sent him to Kislovodsk for the mineral spas, but on the day of his arrival at the resort Chernenko's health deteriorated, and he contracted pneumonia. Chernenko did not return to the Kremlin until later in 1984.

By the end of 1984, Chernenko could hardly leave the Central Clinical Hospital, a heavily guarded facility in west Moscow, and the Politburo was affixing a facsimile of his signature to all letters, as Chernenko had done with Andropov's when he was dying. Chernenko's illness was first acknowledged publicly on 22 February 1985 during a televised election rally."

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Sep 12 2016 11:33 utc | 6

Farleft @4

No, Sec Clinton clearly goes rigid, the distinction is important. Here's a video with a close up of her feet on the left in the second half of the video.

What a bad time for my clipboard to die. Hope the link works.

Posted by: wwinst | Sep 12 2016 12:23 utc | 7

Something made of metal fell from her pant leg. What could it have been? A brace? A colostomy bag clamp? I have no idea but the internet a are going crazy.

Posted by: Secret Agent | Sep 12 2016 12:49 utc | 8

I cannot understand how a Dr. having diagnosed "pneumonia" after mistaking it for "allergies" for months can just prescribe some antibiotics, recommend "rest" and believe she is doing good work.

Clinton's campaign have one goal: to get her to the WH so they can get nominated to some juicy posts even if the old bag dies
two days after.

Or is it that Tim Kaine is the real candidate and sacrificing Hillary is the way in?

Anyway, the "killer of Gaddafi" doesn't deserve a gram of sympathy from the world she would be about to wantonly destroy.

Posted by: CarlD | Sep 12 2016 13:36 utc | 9

It would´ve been quite harsh to submit Biden to the bore of campaigning after such a loss. But maybe now he is recovered...and if so, the whole thing starts to look like "destiny". Almost.

Posted by: MC | Sep 12 2016 13:39 utc | 10

Tim Kaine - Elizabeth Warren?

Still too early to say with any certainty but carefully orchestrated bulls*t leads me to believe that Hillary's exit from the race might be planned. Was she too important to prosecute but was not going to be allowed to be President?

I remember Bloomberg's appearance in late January where he stated that he would run if the major Party nominees were Trump and Sanders. I imagine that he was one of the few (at that time) that understood how bad Hillary's email troubles really were. Was Hillary allowed to stay in the race to a) defeat Sanders and b) have an opportunity to exit public life without disgrace (via supposed health issues)?

Some will say that her negatives caught up to her or her misdeeds weighed on her conscience (causing or exacerbating her health problems). Maybe. But the rumors of her health issues are fairly recent (most appeared within the last few weeks), and the circumstances around today's event are rather strange. She just rebutted questions about her health days ago(!) but we get a peak(!) at her being dragged to a van and a comical, goofball act from her campaign that starts with heat exhaustion and ends with pneumonia (and a canceling of a campaign trip to California).

Additionally, the timing of an exit couldn't be better. And this would not be the first time that Hillary's health mysteriously became an issue. She put off testifying to the Benghazi investigation for weeks due to a health issue.

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News media seem rather uncurious about Zdenek Gazda. He's the guy that got the video of Hillary being put into the van. Here is Fox News description:

The New Jersey resident who took the video, Zdenek Gazda, told he had been a fireman in the Czech Republic and came to the 9/11 ceremony to pay his respects.

"Everything was fine, everything was good before," said Gazda, who snapped several shots of Clinton before taking the video. "I take a lot of pictures of her. She looked very nice and everything, and I don’t know what happened to her."

In an election season in which the possibility of Russian manipulation of the election has been raised as a serious issue, the fact that a foreign/foreign-born individual has taken a video that may have changed the race has not raised any questions?

Why is he in the US? When did he come to the US? Is he a Democrat? A Republican? Why was he so well positioned - not just for the shot of Hillary entering the van but also other pics and videos of the event?

PS Copied from the Open Thread and slightly modified.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 12 2016 13:42 utc | 11

9;The virus(pneumonia) said I came I saw and I hope she croaks.
The guardian had an article by some schmuck saying I had allergies too,give the Hell Bitch a break.
It closed for comment soon after the news of her collapse.

Posted by: dahoit | Sep 12 2016 14:05 utc | 12

Pneumonia vaccines are recommended for adults over age 65. Question is, did Hillary fail to take hers? If so, why?

If she did take her vaccines, is the pneumonia diagnosis just a cover for something else?

Unfortunately, Hillary has a history of not taking preventive measures...her email server, Benghazi, etc.

Posted by: JohnH | Sep 12 2016 14:13 utc | 13

JohnH @13:

did Hillary fail to take hers?
How can anyone take the claim that Hillary has pneumonia seriously? Are everyone's bullsh*t detectors are broken?

She lambasted those who claimed that she was ill only a week or so before. So why would she try to hide any real illness - especially one that seems rather mild (mild enough that she went to the 911 event and appeared healthy when leaving Chelsea's apartment). Shifting explanations from the campaign were amateurish for a condition that was supposedly diagnosed on FRIDAY.

As pointed by commenters on several different websites:

>> a pneumonia vaccine is recommended for anyone over 65 and with Hillary hectic campaign schedule and travels she should have had the vaccine;

>> getting dragged into the van is not consistent with "overheated" or pneumonia;

>> if she had pneumonia, why would she get close to a child (after leaving she Chelsea's apartment)?

"Pneumonia" is likely to be BS. See my comment @11.

Doesn't anybody notice this?! I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 12 2016 15:21 utc | 14

JohnH @ 13

The current pneumonia vaccine only covers two types (of many) bacterial pneumonia pathogens, and none of the viral type.

Posted by: CJ | Sep 12 2016 15:35 utc | 15

Jackrabbit @ 14
"Pneumonia" is likely to be BS

Very likely to be BS. All speculation at this point...though I haven't got the will to sift through the MSM and blogosphere to attempt a reading between the lines.

With that said, where there is smoke there's fire. Her limited public schedule appears to be protecting something. Trump will no doubt play hardball with the networks as only he can, but in the end he should engage Hillary to share as much podium time as he can.

Posted by: MadMax2 | Sep 12 2016 15:51 utc | 16

People: Pneumonia Bug That Struck Hillary Clinton also Seriously Sickened Several Members of Her Staff


ABC News: Clinton played with her grandchildren after being diagnosed with pneumonia and collapsing

@wwinst #7:

Sec Clinton clearly goes rigid, the distinction is important. Here's a video with a close up of her feet on the left in the second half of the video.

Also, to me it looks like she is doing that head bobbing thing again, like she did when she was asked questions by several reporters simultaneously while walking, and then at the Democratic convention. On those two previous occasions, one had to point out that a person can have a (petit mal) seizure without falling. This time, she fell.

Hillary's fund-raising trip to California planned for today and tomorrow has been cancelled. The pneumonia story provides cover for that. (Which is not to say that she does not have pneumonia. The point is that pneumonia cannot explain her collapse.)

Posted by: Demian | Sep 12 2016 16:04 utc | 17

Someone made a comment here many months back, saying that Clinton would eliminate all other Dem contenders and then she'd be pulled at the last minute for Biden to step in.

Posted by: Grieved | Sep 12 2016 16:15 utc | 18

19;Biden?The plagiarist know nothing women hitter?Haha.Look at Obama, the first normal speaking black candidate!And the huckster chose him as VP.Sheesh.
I bet Bloomberg is angling for the POTUS though.
Obomba approval rating soaring,lifting HRC!Wapoop?

Posted by: dahoit | Sep 12 2016 16:46 utc | 19

Speculation that she may have late stage Parkinsons is reaching a fever pitch. Parkinsons patients often contract pneumonia. From a personal and not political point of view, watching the videos was painful.

I think she is withdrawing from the race in a matter of days.

Posted by: Morongobill | Sep 12 2016 16:48 utc | 20

@Grieved #19:

Clinton would eliminate all other Dem contenders and then she'd be pulled at the last minute for Biden to step in.

That seems to employ an interpretive framework common here at MoA. This is that the Empire is infinitely knowledgeable and clever, so that anything of geopolitical significance that happens anywhere must be explained as another clever trick by the Empire's planners and strategists. (Obama fools Putin once again with Turkey's invasion of Syria.)

So Hillary is to be seen as a mere instrument of the US Establishment, in the same way that Obama is. (Obama does seem to be a creation of the CIA.) But I see Hillary more as an American Chernenko, as Petri Krohn does at #6 above. What is happening now with Hillary is not another example of planning by the deep state; it is just the usual pattern among declining empires that their systems are too corrupt for good leaders to be chosen.

Posted by: Demian | Sep 12 2016 16:50 utc | 21

Heh, deplorables is not proper Eng. but from Sp. / Fr.

Before this incident — was Game Over …since at least a month…

The ‘health’ meme will be used as that is a legit, for HRC to get off the stage. Rather than the e-mail scandal (Comey, head of FBI, could not recommend ‘prosecution’ as he and his brother are tied to the Clintons in various huge lucrative deals), the Total Corruption (bold it) of the Clinton Foundation has to be swept under the lying carpet, etc.

HRC is on her last buckling legs and seizure bobbing head. So sad ’n bad that her performance on stage etc. even if carefully monitored and contolled by guardians, the audience who scrutinise are no longer fooled.

Besides her own ambition, is the q. of overall corruption. Billions were invested in HRC, now they have to write down the loss, or are rabid about being misled, angry at being lied to, some still want her propped up as a Zombie, raking in fav decisions, others are like …this is the END…cue music…


Posted by: Noirette | Sep 12 2016 17:13 utc | 22

My hunch for quite some time now has been Hillary has some debilitating affliction that modern medicine cannot overcome. Many have speculated that it might be Parkinson's or what blues said @3 "vascular dementia". Whatever her diagnosis is it appears to be neurologically related given her falls, her seizures, her concussion (which I believe was a Traumatic Brain Injury aka TBI). A concussion is a mild brain injury that can take up to three or so months to recover. TBI's are a lifetime.

A family member of mine had a serious fall in her early sixties and she was hospitalized with a TBI for six months. The first couple of weeks were in ICU and then she was transferred to a long-term nursing facility. She takes coumadin due to the two serious injuries to her brain. Sadly, her health continues to deteriorate and she will remain in a long-term nursing facility till her last breath.

Hillary is and has been a very sick lady for some time now. The fire, energy and determination she exuded during the 2008 campaign has not been visible during this run. The image of her stubbornly giving a speech in the rain to thousands of supporters in '08 are not seen this time around. The packed rally's are gone. She's a shell of the person she once was.

blues @3 said "My guess is she would be replaced by her vice presidential pick Tim Kaine or possibly Joe Biden. Kain would perhaps be less than a total disaster, but relatively little information about him can be discovered immediately. Biden is a hopeless, ancient, corrupt political hack."

Tim Kaine IS Obama's third term. He IS Obama's pick. Not Hillary's. Kaine screwed Hillary in '08 by peeling off many of Hillary's super delegates in Virginia to support Obama. I know what that man did to eliminate her support in this state as do many others who left the Party, as I did, in total disgust. Never forget Virginia was a fire red state until the '08 election. Kaine was the Governor. Virginia put Obama in the White House.

A funny thing happened a couple of years after the '08 election along with other extremely odd wins for other D's in both local and statewide elections in Virginia. The voting machines in several key districts that went blue were quietly removed due to a preponderance of evidence of manipulation. There was only one alt news outlet that covered the story. No one in mainstream touched it. I'm thinking both parties were aware, both parties manipulated and both parties agreed to kill the story. Lots of elections I'm sure would be over turned like say the match up b/w George Allen and Jim Webb...

I am suggesting the neolib leadership has known Hillary's ailment was extremely serious for some time now, and I'm just guessing here, but I'm confident many tried to talk her out of running in '16 for the sake of her health and her family. But knowing Hillary, and pretty much any woman who had come so close to reaching the pinnacle of her/their lifetime dreams -- to crack the highest glass ceiling in elite land -- the US Presidency -- she wasn't going to let any illness, no matter how serious, get in her way.

What we are witnessing is Operation 'it takes a Village', that is, the entire Dem elite cabal has circled their wagons to ensure Hillary's lifelong wish is realized -- being sworn in as the first woman to the U.S. Presidency no matter how ill she may be. Phase two of Operation 'it takes a Village' is to have in place Obama's chosen predecessor -- Tim Kaine ready to take the helm when she finally succumbs to her illness.

I predict she won't make it to November. Then what?

Posted by: h | Sep 12 2016 17:46 utc | 23

@11 Foreign influence over the election hasn't been seriously raised by the media once even with the Clinton Global Slush Fund.

The DNC are in a panic. The state parties and candidates are probably going ballistic. They haven't had time to blame Russians.

Posted by: NotTimothyGeithner | Sep 12 2016 18:07 utc | 24

What I am curious about is why Trump also left the 9/11 ceremony early, just like Clinton. Was he sick, or didn't he give a damn about 9/11? The point being that the media is not paying attention to his antics.

And no, I am not partial toward either candidate, nor will I vote for either. But I certainly notice the obvious bias against Clinton. Personally, I think the US needs younger blood running it than these two old codgers.

Posted by: CJ | Sep 12 2016 18:20 utc | 25

Short answer CJ @26 - Trump didn't collapse. How do you know videos weren't taken of him leaving the ceremony? Why would it be newsworthy to anybody video recording Trump leaving and getting into a van and driving away? So what? Where's any news in that?

Whereas Clinton collapsing, well that's kind of a big harry deal.

Posted by: h | Sep 12 2016 18:47 utc | 26

The pneumonia narrative that is peddled by her campaign and echoed by western presstitute media is obviously damage control. I wonder how all those powerful elites that gave her millions of bribes (donor money) must feel now. The chance that she will need to be replaced is real and propping up a replacement will again cost millions. Trump who has been dragged trough the mud (his naked wife, small penis, ...) is remarkably tame on the issue. If it's not because both he and Clinton have conspired right from the start, then it must be that his campaigns strategy is to look like the "nice guy".

Here's her "pneumonia" episode but from another angle. If you watch her hands, it's clear she lost total control which of course is confirmed seconds later when she drops like a rag doll.

And again her creepy performance before the journos. The comments are also quite funny: "This honestly creeped me out... I think it was demon coming out of her..." or "My guess is that she's truly a reptilian creature and it's fighting to retain its humanoid form."

If such episode would occur during her presidency she'd probably wag the dog like her husband did during the Lewinsky case and bomb some pharmaceutical factories to rubbles in some poor defenseless country.

Guess Google will have to crank their false search results up a notch as to prevent Jill Stein causing a 2000 election moment and having the republicans win.

Posted by: Lamassu | Sep 12 2016 19:03 utc | 27

@28 Lamassu,

The Democratic Party doesn't really care if the Republicans win. C'mon, now. Democrats might be unreliable on enacting the GOP policy the Third Way imperialist traitors want. Republicans will be very reliable at "balancing" the needs of the rich and well-connected with the bother of the poor and atomized.

@22 Demian,

Kindly leave your bourgeois liberal priors at the door. Clearly you are a self-absorbed managerialist who believes in the holiness of the Quantified Self and one-true-wayism, i.e. the Problem personified, or you would recognize that competence is not uniform across subjects and your ideological quest for bourgeois excellence motivates nobody who's sane and honest.

So, having said that, it's a lot easier to run a stage show when you control the angles (Fernsehen) than when you don't. And statecraft is, aside from the cold-blooded murder required to subjugate a people against its will, just stagecraft writ large.

Posted by: Jonathan | Sep 12 2016 19:45 utc | 28

I have been reading a lot of sites and am now convinced that Clinton has been very ill for some time. There are countless photos which give it away - from the neurological test of gripping two fingers presented to her which her aides do often, to the pictures of aides taking her pulse while waiting for her ride yesterday, the repeated head movements she makes when being 'ambushed' by journalist, the placement of her hands to stop trembling, the coughing, the weird fixed smile - they all indicate middle-stage Parkinson's.

Posted by: mischi | Sep 12 2016 20:00 utc | 29

Came across this bit "WTF? Chelsea's Apt. Has Same Address as a Medical Facility!--Hillary's Secret Hospital?"

Posted by: Terry | Sep 12 2016 20:30 utc | 30

@mischi #30:

they all indicate middle-stage Parkinson's.

Yes, there has been speculation about Parkinson's for months, but I never accepted that, because Parkinson's is characterized by the inability to initiate movement, so that a feature is having a stone-faced look, which Hillary does not have.

I just ran across a comment to an Atlantic article which tells me for the first time what I think Hillary might actually have: progressive supranuclear palsy.

She can't walk, she can't control her own oral secretions and so she is aspirating them...they are going down into her lung. Hence the cough, and now aspiration pneumonia. Her fall and head injury weren't the cause...something caused the fall.

I think she has a progressive neurological disease. Some speculate Parkinson's, but I favor Progressive Supranuclear Palsy...the disease the late Dudley Moore, actor, had. It is insidious in onset but starts with balance and gait difficulties. It's been 4 years since Hillary fell and got her concussion, so the disease is inexorably progressing.

Also...she had to be dragged into that van. Her feet were being dragged. If this was the first time something like this happened, she would have been taken to the ER. No lay people would have done anything else. So, this is a recurrent problem they've dealt with before.

The symptoms of the disease listed by Wikipedia seem to match what we've seen of Hillary pretty well.

That comment is definitely the best speculation about Hillary's condition I have seen thus far. I started reading Atlantic comments recently. The Atlantic's posts are about as pro-Hillary as Salon's, but the comment section of the Atlantic turns out not to be a Dem echo chamber, as Salon and HuffPo entertainingly are.

Posted by: Demian | Sep 12 2016 20:38 utc | 31

Parkinson's or progressive supranuclear palsy, what kind of a psychopath runs for president of the United States with serious medical problems?

Posted by: mischi | Sep 12 2016 20:49 utc | 32

October surprise in the making?

Posted by: Lozion | Sep 12 2016 21:03 utc | 33

@ mischi

A psychopath runs for president of the United States with serious medical problems when they worship the God of Mammon/private finance/global plutocracy/or whatever you call our Hillary sick society.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 12 2016 21:08 utc | 34

@Terry #31:

That is an incredible story. I followed the link, and sure enough, the addresses match. Why would someone put a medical facility in an expensive residential building?

This is getting to be better than Syriana.

Posted by: Demian | Sep 12 2016 21:11 utc | 35

mischi : "what kind of a psychopath runs for president of the United States with serious medical problems?"

The kind of person millions of Americans would vote for: an habitual liar, a psycho, a person with cold-hearted ambition and no compunction over spilled blood.

Hillary Clinton is a metaphor now, and is a testament to the level to which this country has sunk.

Posted by: Copeland | Sep 12 2016 21:32 utc | 36

@psychohistorian #35, @Copeland #37

She still doesn't strike me as sociopathic. Just very ambitious, completely dishonest, highly blackmailable, and, by the look of it, seriously ill.

I think the question should be - what person, or more likely, what group of people make a vulnerable (however flawed) person with quickly progressing disability run for POTUS on their behalf, and what do they hope to achieve through her weakness and dependency on them, while fully accessing the greatest executive power on planet Earth?

Someone on ZH just observed that Pres's Wilson and FDR were both basically disabled by the time each presided over US entering another World War. Ominous.

(and I am not saying D Trump would be any better, just possibly harder to control - and even that comes with a big question mark, reality show hosting and all)

Posted by: Quadriad | Sep 12 2016 22:03 utc | 37

What I want to know is how Bernie Sanders name never comes up as the replacement candidate. Joe Biden?? No process; just pluck him up.
There was huge support for Sanders.
I wonder what the formal process for selecting a new Dem Candidate is?

Posted by: linda amick | Sep 12 2016 22:22 utc | 38

Sandes name comes up on alt news sites like this one.

Hillary Clinton is obviously very unwell and she should step down. Bernie Sanders, who came in second during the primary should take her place and give American citizens a real choice in this election.
The reason Sanders' name never comes up in the corporate press is that Sanders was a populist candidate, like Trump.

Posted by: Demian | Sep 12 2016 22:29 utc | 39

There were few concerns about her health during the campaign for the Democratic nomination.

Most of the heath concerns raised have been in the last few weeks.

She has been a (much) less than enthusiastic campaigner since the convention.

The health episode at the 9-11 ceremony is very suspicious in many ways: dragged to the van -> cheery "beatiful day in NY!"; campaign goofball messaging; media obtuseness (who is the guy that took the video?); etc.

Funny to me how uncynical some are that read MoA.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 12 2016 22:31 utc | 40

@38 Quadriad

Maybe Hillary is being used as a means to an end. The Clintons and the Bushes hide a rat's nest of secrets. She runs for the presidency, in the way someone in the mafia might have to pay off a debt. And for an example elsewhere, General Pinochet, the infamous head of the Chilean Junta, escaped prosecution over reasons of incapacity to stand trial and ill health, even though he was arrested, extradited, and brought back to Chile for trial.

The cancer that is the Clinton Foundation will escape scrutiny probably because it remains an instrument of the permanent government, or Deep State. But nothing would surprise me now. If there is an October Surprise, it is probably another damn coup. It seems we are on a roll. Don't get too comfortable, or think that we will come out unscathed, or that we will not have another president selected for us.

Posted by: Copeland | Sep 12 2016 22:32 utc | 41

Obama could resign leaving Biden as pres giving him a better chance, but the electorate could still elect the first female POTUS and fulfill that aspect of this election's destiny!

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 12 2016 22:53 utc | 42

The funny thing with the Hillary at 9/11 video was that they showed the stumble but the part with the woman holding her up before the misstep is sort of hidden.

Posted by: Curtis | Sep 12 2016 23:08 utc | 43

jackrabbit @41 said "There were few concerns about her health during the campaign for the Democratic nomination. Most of the heath concerns raised have been in the last few weeks."

This is not accurate. Many have been posting and discussing her health for many, many months now with some for years. Drudge, Breitbart, the Conservative Treehouse, Right Side, Gateway Pundit and so many more.

It's just that the signs of whatever her neurological disorder are becoming more prominent -- coughing fits, seizures, queer eye movement, a lack of energy and now collapse.

I know I've been following her health concerns for several years now. It's just hard to do b/c her team protects and covers up for her. Nothing to see here...move along...and the useless political press corp says nothing. Only alt news and the right do.

Posted by: h | Sep 12 2016 23:17 utc | 44

Copeland@42 - "...Maybe Hillary is being used as a means to an end..." Give yourself a little more credit, Copeland. She IS CLEARLY being used as a means to an end. What everyone should be wondering about isn't whether she or Kaine will be sitting in the White House, but who is the next Cheney that will be pulling the strings behind the scenes for either of them. What is the next 9/11 the future Cheney is scheming? The thought that either of these two will actually run anything is preposterous - they are distractions. They are to serve as the brightly-dressed clowns with big, floppy shoes and neon green wigs dancing around in front of us while some version of Cheney II opens up the gold vaults and blood chutes back in DC.

I'll humbly suggest that most people are looking in the rear-view mirror for answers. Every U.S. citizens should look closely in the shadows around them now for their next evil masters. The U.S. MSM is not trying to get Hillary elected. They are desperately trying to look like they are so the debate goes on endlessly. And it's working absolutely wonderfully in an insidious, evil, psychopathic sort of way.

Americans are easy - we will all honestly be surprised by the next 9/11 and it's inevitable result. Hillary or Trump are just sideshow freaks; they're not the main attraction.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Sep 12 2016 23:29 utc | 45

Highly recommend you watch the linked video - argument by an MD that HRC has advanced Parkinson's Disease.

Posted by: crone | Sep 12 2016 23:31 utc | 46

@42 copeland, @46 pw

'Means to an end' is the job description of the entire political class. We need to make choices of representatives/spokespersons from among ourselves, and ultimately to empower ourselves, to turn down our own deplorable, now exclusive reliance on representatives/spokespersons. No one has our interests at heart but ourselves. No to Clinton, no to Trump.

Posted by: jfl | Sep 13 2016 0:08 utc | 47

Hillary continues to lie.. now about her pneumonia. What else is she and her gang are hiding from the American? a creeping dementia? a brain damage? her deplorable heath?
who can trust the Hillary campaign anymore?

Posted by: virgile | Sep 13 2016 0:14 utc | 48

h @45

Discussions of Hillary's health were mostly created by her attempt to delay Benghazi hearings with (what I believe) were bogus health concerns.

Scuttlebutt about her health may have been found on what are considered fringe sites but grew in intensity in the last few weeks.

She did fine during the stress of debates with Sanders.

My best guess is that her 'retirement' is planned. But I'm NOT her MD, close aid, Washington insider, etc.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 13 2016 0:24 utc | 49

Clinton will not be on the ballot in November.

The action of her security detail in the video reveals that they are aware of an ongoing issue. First, a collapse after an alleged pneumonia diagnosis should have meant immediate medical care. Instead she is ferried to her daughter's apartment and back on the street in an hour. Second, the detail circles around her as she is placd in the van, blocking the view, in a practicd deliberate manner. There is no surprise or second glances.

Posted by: jayc | Sep 13 2016 0:31 utc | 50

@ Paveway IV, I think you are right. Best to keep an eye on the shadows gathering around us.

@ crone, Thanks for that video; but I thought is was a little creepy that the doctor identifies his means of gathering evidence, with the methods of the CIA.

Posted by: Copeland | Sep 13 2016 0:36 utc | 51

@Copeland #37:

Hillary Clinton is a metaphor now, and is a testament to the level to which this country has sunk.

I used to think that Lady Macbeth is the literary character who best represents Hillary, but now I think it is Zola's Nana:

Nana tells the story of Nana Coupeau's rise from streetwalker to high-class prostitute during the last three years of the French Second Empire. …

"What emerges from [Nana] is the completeness of Nana's destructive force, brought to a culmination in the thirteenth chapter by a kind of roll call of the victims of her voracity".

Zola has Nana die a horrible death in July 1870 from smallpox: "What lay on the pillow was a charnel house, a heap of pus and blood, a shovelful of putrid flesh. The pustules had invaded the whole face, so that one pock touched the next". Outside her window the crowd is madly cheering "To Berlin! To Berlin!" to greet the start of the Franco-Prussian War, which will end in defeat for France and the end of the Second Empire.

For Berlin, substitute Moscow.

Posted by: Demian | Sep 13 2016 0:45 utc | 52 PARKINSONS & Hillary. Seems credible. By a doctor. Goes back to 2005 & observes minutely-- even certain ways of using the hands.

As far as I can see he's accounted for every symptom. The clips are really interesting.

Posted by: Penelope | Sep 13 2016 1:01 utc | 53


I had heard about the Parkinson's theory of course and also about the video by the doctor, but I had dismissed the theory out of hand because I associate Parkinson's with stiffness and inability to initiate movement, whereas the head bobbing struck me as being precisely the opposite. What didn't occur to me is that the head bobbing could be produced by L-dopa.

The incident where she freezes and then starts up again when her handler tells her to "keep talking" should have made me think of Parkinson's, though.

With all the theories floating around on the internet, sometimes it's hard to know what to dismiss and what to look into. Sigh.

Now that I've learned this, the whole affair appears to be even more scandalous than before. It was obvious to me just by looking at the videos that she has a neurological condition; now it turns out that the diagnosis is obvious if you have the relevant medical knowledge.

Posted by: Demian | Sep 13 2016 1:57 utc | 54

It should be beyond obvious that Clinton is not fit for the office of president. Further, it could be said she is not concerned about her country, but rather her own self aggrandizement.
The very embodiment of the worst of all possible leaders.

Posted by: V. Arnold | Sep 13 2016 2:17 utc | 55

History quiz: what is the connection of "Tippecanoe and Tyler too" to the recent events?

Hint (lyrics):

What's the cause of this commotion, motion, motion,
Our country through?
It is the ball a-rolling on

For Tippecanoe and Tyler too.
For Tippecanoe and Tyler too.
And with them we'll beat little Van, Van, Van,
Van is a used up man.
And with them we'll beat little Van.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Sep 13 2016 2:59 utc | 56

William Henry Harrison of the "Tippecanoe" indian fighter fame, died of an illness, very shortly after winning the US presidency. His death came not that long after he was sworn in.. He was an old man at the time.

Posted by: Copeland | Sep 13 2016 3:22 utc | 57

I recall that Harrison gave a lengthy inauguration speech in terribly inclement weather with no coat and paid the price for his Presidential fortitude.

Any volunteers to hold Hillary's coat?

Posted by: Jonathan | Sep 13 2016 5:38 utc | 58

She's in advanced Parkinson's. Her symptoms can't be masked anymore.

Even Google (which is in league with the Clintons) will suggest "Parkinson's" if you type "hillary clinton p" into a search box.

Even if Hillary has no more events like she did on Sunday until the election, it is very clear that she has Parkinson's, and there's a lot of buzz about that on the Net. So keeping her name on the ballot on election day would do more damage to the legitimacy of the American political system than the theft of the 2000 election did. So I doubt that the establishment will run the risk of keeping her name on.

And if she does manage to make it to November and get elected, her chances of making it through another two months to get inaugurated are not that good.

Posted by: Demian | Sep 13 2016 5:51 utc | 59

Demian | Sep 13, 2016 1:51:39 AM | 60

If true; it puts a whole new light on the V.P., no?
That's why I think it will be Biden replacing Clinton; two sides of the same coin.

Posted by: V. Arnold | Sep 13 2016 7:24 utc | 60

How about she was drunk?A couple of stiff ones to perk her sick ass up before the political photo op.And going to her daughters house instead of the ER prevents blood work analysis.
What a pos they are trying to foist on US.
Trump is up to 1% electoral probability!sheesh.

Posted by: dahoit | Sep 13 2016 14:44 utc | 61

Hillary is a black-out drunk, as she revealed on her 2008 campaign trail, when reporters made an attempt to describe her extreme behavior, before all such press releases were quashed. She blacked out into the furniture and sustained a major complicating concussion. People don't just faint into their furniture, not as well-taken-care-of as she is. That grindingly awful truth was revealed in her long hacking cough, when she spit a 'green glob' into her water glass...a vodka-soaked martini olive, the old trick used by unrepentant alkies until their next slug of vodka.

That vodka-soaked olive, clearly visible in closeups of her coughing attack, explains the circular hole burned into her tongue from chronic use of this classic alkie dodge. She's a blackout drunk, with all the attendant brain, nerve and respiratory damage you find in 70-year old alkies, Her psychotic rhyme about Ghaddafi, was a classic alkie emotional lapse. Her rages, her overly hysterical responses, 'At this point, what difference does it make, I need a drink!" Classic drunk, ...just ask anyone who has lived with an elderly privileged woman alkie.

The One Party will do anything to get Clinton, or Trump (no matter), selected to begin the Next Stage of Chosen Hegemony: the quiet disenfranchisement and ethnic cleansing of 100,000,000 Americans made jobless or homeless by the 1998 Soft Coup, the 2001 Hard Coup, the 2008 Engineered R/E Melt Up, and the 2011 Perpetual QEn 'Float', doing to hundreds of millions of poor Americans what those former-Soviet immigrants to Israel did to Palestine, and more recently, what they did to the citizens Ukrainn: complete disenfranchisement within your own country.

Hillary and Trump are two faces of the same One Party: Mil.Gov.Fed.Biz.

"We won, you lost. It's just business, get over it."

E pluribus no hay comida, no hay nada.

The horror ... the horror.

Posted by: TheRealDonald | Sep 13 2016 14:53 utc | 62

@dahoit, TheRealDonald:

Have you watched Ted Noel's videos in which he provides arguments for why the most likely explanation for Hillary's various symptoms is Parkinson's?

I think that the dividing line between people who think that there is "something wrong" with Hillary (other than being a drunk perhaps) is whether you are willing to come to the conclusion that she has a neurological condition. If you do, then Parkinson's appears to be the best diagnosis. Hillary's head bobbing and stares cannot be explained by alcoholism.

Posted by: Demian | Sep 13 2016 16:01 utc | 63

Hillary body double??

Check the link. It shows side-by-side pics of Hillary before her collapse and then after when she left Chelsea's apartment.

Whatever they gave her must be good! It pepped her up, removed the wrinkles and even brightened her hair!!

I want some of that lol.

Posted by: woogs | Sep 14 2016 0:45 utc | 65

@ woogs

Did you ever see the movie Swordfish and the body double they had for John Travolta?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 14 2016 3:20 utc | 66

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