Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
August 16, 2016
Massive Russian Air Campaign To Stop U.S.-Al-Qaeda Attack On Aleppo

The west of Aleppo city has always stayed under control of the Syrian government. It inhabits about 1.5 million people. Over the last two weeks it has come into imminent danger of falling into Jihadi hands.

With large U.S. and Gulf supplies of new weapons, ammunition and intelligence some 10,000+ radical Jihadis, led by al-Qaeda in Syria, attacked Aleppo city. After several days they managed to break the south-eastern defense and created a small corridor into east-Aleppo. The area is besieged by government forces and under Jihadi control.


Aleppo as reported by "western" media

Several other large attacks followed but could barely be held back. The government forces are a mix of local defense units and auxiliaries from Afghanistan and Iraq. Their defenses seemed little prepared for the onslaught of suicide vehicles followed by mass infantry attacks. Moral was low and positions were given up without proper coordination.

The Syrian government and its allies could not use helicopters to support the defense as newly arrived MANPADs used by the Jihadis endanger any aircraft that flies low and slow.

To stop attacks and to prepare for counter moves valuable reserves had to be activated. Elite forces of the Lebanese Hizbullah and the Tiger brigade of the Syrian army were thrown into the battle. They managed to hold the Jihadi attacks for now but lack the mass to respond in kind.

The Russians have warned since April that such a large Jihadi offense was imminent, but it held back from any response while in talks with the U.S. administration. But the U.S. willingness to talk was largely a deception in support of the now ongoing attack.

The Jihadi campaign aims to occupy all of Aleppo city. It was named after a man who, in 1979, mass murdered a group of cadets belonging to a religious minorities. Should the Jidadis manage to win in Aleppo thousands of civilians will likely die. This would not only effect minorities. Aleppo is a Sunni city and the war is, contrary to "western" propaganda, not between religious minorities and the general Sunni population but between radical Sunni sects and their mainstream brethren.

About two weeks ago the Russian military openly prepared an appropriate response. Their most modern spy plane, a Tu 214R was send to Syria to collect targeting information. This in addition to two Il-20M reconnaissance planes already deployed there. Navy maneuvers along the Syrian coast as well as in the Caspian sea were prepared. Agreement with Iran about support measures were arranged.

At least seven Russian ships, all capable of launching Kalibr cruise missiles, were positioned in the east-Mediterranean and in the Caspian Sea. Yesterday long range Tu-22M3 strategic bombers and Su-34 tactical bombers deployed to Hamedan airbase in Iran. The route from Hamedan to Syria is 60% shorter than from Russia. The planes will thus be able to fly more often and with additional load. Iraq granted overflight rights. This open cooperation, publicly announced with pictures from the Iranian base, sends a loud message to the "international community" of Jihadi supporters. China adds to it by announcing tighter cooperation with the Syrian military.

Today a large scale bombing campaign against all support, supply and reserve assets of the Jihadis attacking Aleppo was launched. All major communications points, headquarters, depots and assembly areas between Aleppo and the Turkish border west of it will be bombed. Any reconnoitered fixed target will be attacked, probably multiple times, and destroyed. Then moving convoys and other targets of opportunity will come under attack. The campaign will continue for several days.

Such large scale attacks in the rear of attacking forces have no immediate influence on the front-lines. Expect some renewed Jihdai attacks on Aleppo city proper to divert from the slaughter of their assets in the rear. But after a few days their front-line supplies will run out and no new supplies will be there to arrive. The general attack on Aleppo will then falter.

All of this will only stall the situation in Syria. The Syrian government currently lacks the capability to retake and secure the large area between Aleppo, Idleb and the Turkish border. Additional changes in the strategic situation will be needed to turn the war into either direction.

But the then likely failed attack on Aleppo will have chewed up a large amount of assets and personal the U.S. supported Jihadis and their allies are able to deploy. The center of gravity of the war will probably move elsewhere, away from Aleppo proper.

All this of course depends on luck and all the other imponderables of war.

Comments

psychohistorian | Aug 17, 2016 3:48:48 AM | 95
Having no idea if the U.S. rulers love their children; the sources I follow (the usual non-MSM suspects) say 2017 is a critical time. If we get to celebrate new year’s eve 2018; that would be good.
Watching Pres. Putin for the last few years, he’s a master chess player; the U.S. only does checkers; and a sloppy player at best.
China actively joining the “game” brings in a whole new dimension; my crystal ball clouded up years ago and only clears on rare occasions.
The South China Sea will come to the fore. I think the U.S. thinks it can push China hard because it views them as inferior both by race and technology. Incredibly ignorant if true. Enough, I’m exceeding my pay grade by a bit…

Posted by: V. Arnold | Aug 17 2016 8:40 utc | 101

It would be rather difficult to convince me that Russia is naive about its Syrian strategy. They feint back a while, then the U.S. and the Saudis supply fresh mercenaries, artillery, tanks, etc. Then the Russians simply bomb all this very costly new materiel. The result:
{QUOTE}
Saudi Economic Collapse Leaves 16,000 Foreign Workers Abandoned In Labor Camps
Sinking oil prices and a full blown liquidity crisis has brought the Saudi Arabian economy to screeching halt, a topic we’ve explored on various occasions. The Saudi construction industry has been among the hardest hit as government building contracts have disappeared and bank financing has dried up (something we discussed in a post entitled “Saudi Arabia Admits To A Full-Blown Liquidity Crisis: Will Pay Government Contractors With IOUs, Debt”). We got dramatic confirmation of this for the first time in late April when the BinLadin Group, one of Saudi Arabia’s biggest firms and among the Middle East’s largest builders, whose total workforce is around 200,000, announced it had just fired a quarter of its total staff amid a major operational restructuring as Saudi government spending cuts slammed the company’s primary source of revenue.
Since then it’s only gotten worse. As Bloomberg reports, construction contracts shrank by 65% YoY in 2Q16 according to Jeddah-based National Commercial Bank.
The slowdown in construction has caused two of The Kingdom’s largest construction companies, Saudi Oger and the abovementioned Saudi BinLadin Group, to layoff and abandon 1,000s of foreign workers in the middle of the Saudi desert without pay and no way home. In fact, not only are workers left without a job, in many cases they’re owed 8-10 months of back pay which their employers aren’t paying. To add insult to injury, even if workers wanted to forego back wages and return home they’re not allowed to do so as exit visas for foreign workers have to be arranged by employers. That said, employers can’t arrange exit visas until back wages and benefits have been paid which firms like Saudi Oger and Saudi BinLadin apparently can’t afford to do.
{UNQUOTE} — ZeroHedge — Aug 9, 2016:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-09/saudi-liquidity-crisis-1000s-foreign-workers-abandoned-labor-camps-middle-saudi-dese
So… somebody has to keep paying for all this new war materiel. It seems like the USSR’s Afghanistan adventure in reverse.

Posted by: blues | Aug 17 2016 8:54 utc | 102

The idea Israel will attack Iran without US authorization and backing is fanciful, even an attack on Hezbollah would be fraught with ‘consequences’. Hezbollah have 100,000 rockets of all types aimed at Israeli cities and important installations [think Ben Gurion airport]. Anything of any value in Israel is situated in the metropolitan Tel Aviv area[which is not that big]. The Iron dome is ineffectual, intercepting 5% or less of Hamas rockets http://thebulletin.org/evidence-shows-iron-dome-not-working7318 Also as time goes by Hezbollah will increase its fire power with drones [it already has a number] and with the GPS technology readily available and cheap even to rank amateurs, time is not on Israels side.

Posted by: harrylaw | Aug 17 2016 9:04 utc | 103

“they win again when America is thrown under the bus as a war mongering nation”
Nope. They have not yet secured an alternative criminal enterprise posing as a nation, providing a large killing machine for their invisible fist. Israel is out, Japan not yet ready, Quatar and the Wahabi death squadron handlers are loosing, UK is crumbling, and the French-German axis has not yet sorted out its raison d’etre beyond the EU scheme planned by the SS and taken over by their US franchisers. They need to muddle thru and squeeze everything out of their assets within the beltway.

Posted by: Kassandra | Aug 17 2016 9:19 utc | 104

Turkey now seems to be taking the advice we wrote in December 2015…that it become the Switzerland of the Middle East, and not the servant of NATO. Truth is stranger than fiction.”
(Scott Bennett on FB)
Posted by: x | Aug 16, 2016 9:42:37 AM | 13

Turkey is in the perfect place going forward to play the old fashioned ‘cold war’ leverage game, but can Erdogan execute a foreign policy that sophisticated? Play off and be bought off by the highest bidder among the West, Russia, China, and the Middle East oil dictatorships. My guess is Erdogan gives it a try, trying to stay in NATO, get favorable trading terms with EU and Eurasian bloc, help the West’s schemes a little (but not like before) unless they get some giveback on the Kurds from Iraqis and Syria … Tricky and full of minefields.

Posted by: fairleft | Aug 17 2016 9:50 utc | 105

Formerly T-Bear | Aug 17, 2016 3:28:05 AM | 93
Castle move works, the point being, of course, Russia out plays the U.S. on almost every turn.

Posted by: V. Arnold | Aug 17 2016 10:40 utc | 106

@TheRealDonald | Aug 17, 2016 12:50:29 AM | 83
How Russia Ruined American Plans in Crimea – Fort Russ

Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 17 2016 11:47 utc | 107

@b and all. Something you should add to your thinking about the situation:
1] with the ability to fly from Hamadan, and over Iranian airspace, Russian strategic aviation can now strike Diego Garcia with Kalibr cruise missiles…
2] Russian advisers have been embedded in the Aleppo operation for quite some time now, and the perceived weakness of the defense in the 1070-Ramuseh-Military Academy corridor should be considered in this light. They invited the enemy to concentrate and commit, and the enemy took the invitation. Maskirovka. For an analogy, think back to the Kursk Salient planning. Part two of the drama will begin shortly.

Posted by: cheburashka | Aug 17 2016 11:55 utc | 108

@blues | Aug 17, 2016 4:54:17 AM | 99. Yes, good point.

Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 17 2016 12:07 utc | 109

@Aug 17, 2016 7:55:51 AM | 105. Maskirovka
Yes, that’s what I’ve been suggesting and many pointed out here. Russians and their allies have been setting very efficient traps for the enemy.
And their supporters’ propaganda has been helping providing cover (“fog of war”).
Recently that strategy has become too obvious making these supporters’ efforts more difficult, their results dubious and sometimes very hard to read.
They need to adjust (if they care).

Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 17 2016 12:16 utc | 110

@PavewayIV | Aug 17, 2016 3:59:53 AM | 96
U.S. cruise missiles from leveling Iran if they tried.
Nope. You’re forgetting about Yakhonts and Sunburns.
To stop their non-existent nuclear weapons development.
Nope. It’s about destroying the competition to the Brutish Empire nuclear hegemony, and the Queen is a major player on that market. Nuclear development brings Iran to another economical, scientific and energy level, gives true independence and power projection capabilities reaching outside MENA, to the Whole Africa and SE Asia, where that country could become a leader in peaceful development and cooperation, replacing the AngloZio established dominance.
City of London cannot afford that.
And remember that Israel, Saudi Barbaria, Japan, Canada, Australia are just London’s puppets, tentacles if you will.

Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 17 2016 12:31 utc | 111

@psychohistorian | Aug 17, 2016 3:48:48 AM | 95
Since private finance controls the global movement of “money”, the world remains their oyster…..and our chess game is for us little people.
Well, they are in deep shit with their investments in derivatives. They launched a nuclear attack against Tianjin, when China hit them with yuan’s sudden devaluation. So they are vulnerable.

Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 17 2016 12:38 utc | 112

I wonder if Russia is planning to install an S400 system at the Iranian Air Base? Imagine the screeching if they did that.

Posted by: Rob Centros | Aug 17 2016 12:50 utc | 113

@PavewayIV | Aug 17, 2016 3:41:29 AM | 94
If Russian aircraft/personnel were not part of any Israeli attack on Iranian nuclear sites, then I doubt Russia would retaliate. They would be plenty pissed off at Israel (and/or the U.S. and S.A.), but it’s hardly worth starting WW III over.
Really? How about this?
Haaretz and The Associated Press Jan 20, 2015 2:29 PM
“Russia and Iran Sign Military Cooperation Agreement”

Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu, on visit to Tehran, says ‘common challenges and threats’ must be addressed.
Iran and Russia have signed a military cooperation pact, the official TASS Russian news agency reported on Tuesday.
The agreement to intensify military and technological cooperation was made during a Tehran meeting between Iranian Defense Minister Hossein Deghan and visiting Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu, Russian media reported.
Shoigu, who arrived in Tehran on Sunday, was quoted by sputniknews.com as saying: “We are in favor of long-term and multi-level cooperation with Iran and welcome the Iranian leadership’s attempts to expanding its ties with Russia, including in military defense. We have common challenges and threats in the region that we can oppose only if we communicate.”
Shoigu will also reportedly meet General Hassan Firouzabadi, the Chief of Staff of the Iranian Armed Forces, while in Tehran.
Iran’s IRNA state news agency described Shoigu’s visit as an “outstanding event.”
“Iran and Russia are able to confront the expansionist intervention and greed of the United States through cooperation, synergy and activating strategic potential capacities,” Dehghan said. “As two neighbors, Iran and Russia have common viewpoints toward political, regional and global issues.”

Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 17 2016 12:52 utc | 114

ProPeace | Aug 17, 2016 8:52:57 AM | 111
Yes, Russia is creating NADANC (Non aligned defense against NATO countries.
Russia has rapidly established a counter to the hegemon and upped them one big step.
The Eu is rapidly falling behind it’s own disintegration.
Russia seems to be the only player with a cogent policy re: the grand chess board…

Posted by: V. Arnold | Aug 17 2016 13:28 utc | 115

Somewhat off topic, but worth reading.
“Despite deep political tensions between Russia and the West, Moscow will continue to invest its surplus of currency in US Treasuries, a reliable and stable investment tool, analysts say.”
http://sputniknews.com/business/20160817/1044357006/russia-us-debt-investment.html
Why would Russia invest any money in worthless US bonds?!

Posted by: ex-sarajlija | Aug 17 2016 13:32 utc | 116

I don’t buy the notion, that arises here from time to time, that Russia will inevitably win.
The only thing that seems inevitable is escalation.
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There has also been speculation that the Jihadi’s are/will be betrayed. In this line of thinking, the US/West would allow Russia to ‘clean up’ the Jihadi mess as they can never be safely repatriated.
IMO this reasoning is flawed because the fundamental conflict is the nature of the world order: multi-lateral with sovereigns that resolve disputes at the UN or unilateral NWO hegemony. Jihadi disruption of non-compliant states allows for the necessary ‘restructuring’.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 17 2016 13:42 utc | 117

Jackrabbit | Aug 17, 2016 9:42:35 AM | 114
Ah, but the world is realigning; and it’s away from the west (aka; the U.S.).
The U.S. has gone a step too far; and the chickens come home to roost…

Posted by: V. Arnold | Aug 17 2016 13:47 utc | 118

“We would rather not point fingers but jihadists and ‘moderate’ rebels who joined them have managed to hide from Russian warplanes suspiciously too often. This could only be done if they have access to satellite surveillance data,” the business daily suggested.
Vzglyad emphasized that radical groups lack equipment, particularly satellites and electronic warfare systems, needed to track long-range bombers as they take off from the Engels Air Force Base located east of the Russian city of Saratov.
“There are grounds to assume that someone interested and generous could provide this information to those who fight against Assad,” the media outlet noted.

http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160817/1044359571/russia-iran-counterterrorism-spying.html
ISrael and the US, it’s obvious.

Posted by: hidden hand | Aug 17 2016 13:48 utc | 119

b: “China adds to it by announcing tighter cooperation with the Syrian military.
I wonder if this is related?
China Launches Pioneering ‘Hack-Proof’ Quantum-Communications Satellite

Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 17 2016 13:50 utc | 120

@110 (Re: S400)
It would be reasonable to do so. It appears Russia believes that UN Security Council’s Resolution 2331 does not stop it protecting its own planes in Iran with S400.
“MOSCOW, August 17. /TASS/. The Russian Defense Ministry has advised US Department of State officials to check their knowledge of international law following the latest statements regarding the use of an airdrome in Iran by Russian warplanes, Defense Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov has told the media. . . .
“It is against our rules to give advice to the US Department of State. But one finds it really hard to refrain from a recommendation to look into whether Department of State officials follow any logic and know fundamental international legal documents well enough. Such testing should begin with the knowledge of the UN Security Council’s Resolution 2331, which requires getting UN Security Council’s consent to the sale, handover and use of combat planes inside Iran,” Konashenkov said.”
http://tass.ru/en/politics/894715

Posted by: x | Aug 17 2016 13:58 utc | 121

This is not unimportant:
A Message From Moscow To America As Edward Snowden Warns: “Could Get Messy Fast”

According to the brand new story on the Associated Press that Steve Quayle linked to on his website this morning, the recent hack of our own National Security Agency may be a warning to the United States and thereby, a warning to all Americans.
As we reported on ANP back on August 4th, NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden recently issued a very cryptic Tweet on Twitter, warning “It’s Time,” while asking anybody he had previously worked with since 2013 to contact him.
The following day, Snowden released another cryptic Tweet, a series of characters that not only sent the internet into a frenzy but was followed immediately by 8 torrent sites used for distributing large files being taken down all across the internet.
It’s quite clear that whatever Edward Snowden knows, someone(s) are trying very, very hard to make sure the American public never finds out. As this new story from Activist Post tells us, the state of California has just enacted an Orwellian bill that prevents reporters from posting ‘undercover videos’. What else might ‘TPTB’ do to make sure that the truth never gets out? Might they even go so far as to attempt to shut down the entire ‘free’ internet, using China-style censorship? Who is so utterly petrified about whatever it is that Snowden knows? Hillary Clinton? Barack Obama? The DNC? The entire establishment? From the AP story.:
“Circumstantial evidence and conventional wisdom indicates Russian responsibility,” Snowden said. “This leak is likely a warning that someone can prove U.S. responsibility for any attacks that originated from this malware server. That could have significant foreign policy consequences. Particularly if any of those operations targeted U.S. allies. Particularly if any of those operations targeted elections.”
Earlier this morning, Snowden released a series of Tweets attempting to explain what we’re now witnessing with our own NSA being hacked which resulted in a bunch of their hacking tools being released online. According to Snowden, what we’re now watching could very well be a warning from Moscow to the United States. As Snowden also warns us, ‘an escalation in the attribution game could get messy fast’.
Snowden also warns in his Tweets we could now have proof that the NSA may have targeted elections. Not surprisingly, he also mentioned the DNC hacks in another Tweet. Is the NSA trying to steal the 2016 election for Hillary and the globalists? The mere fact alone that someone is going to great lengths to make sure that the truth never gets out should be a dire warning to Americans. As a trusted ANP contact recently mentioned to us, this also means we could be closing in upon their ‘end game’ for America: the UN round-up of Christians, US Patriots, 2nd Amendment supporters and anybody else that might stand in their way of global govt and a totalitarian ‘new world order’ that these leaks will likely expose.
Earlier this morning, Snowden released a series of Tweets attempting to explain what we’re now witnessing with our own NSA being hacked which resulted in a bunch of their hacking tools being released online. According to Snowden, what we’re now watching could very well be a warning from Moscow to the United States. As Snowden also warns us, ‘an escalation in the attribution game could get messy fast’.
Snowden also warns in his Tweets we could now have proof that the NSA may have targeted elections. Not surprisingly, he also mentioned the DNC hacks in another Tweet. Is the NSA trying to steal the 2016 election for Hillary and the globalists? The mere fact alone that someone is going to great lengths to make sure that the truth never gets out should be a dire warning to Americans. As a trusted ANP contact recently mentioned to us, this also means we could be closing in upon their ‘end game’ for America: the UN round-up of Christians, US Patriots, 2nd Amendment supporters and anybody else that might stand in their way of global govt and a totalitarian ‘new world order’ that these leaks will likely expose.
We also have to ask, is this latest hack of the NSA absolute proof that SOMEBODY, quite possibly Russia, has ALL of our governments ‘dirty little secrets’ and ‘the evil hiding behind the mask’ will do absolutely anything to prevent them from getting out? The full series of Snowden’s Tweets can be seen at the bottom of this story below videos as his last Tweet simply read: “You’re welcome, @NSAGov. Lots of love.”
We have warned again and again on ANP that something huge is coming. In the 1st video below, we take a look at what that something huge might be as Alex Jones sits down and talks with Gary Heavin, the producer of the movie now available at Infowars called “Amerigeddon”. Will we soon witness the complete and total fall of our Republic only to be replaced by a totalitarian, world government where humanity has no rights at all and a boot stamps forever upon our human faces?
As we hear in the 2nd video below featuring another whistleblower, Julian Assange of Wikileaks, the TPP that is being kept so secret within the Halls of Congress is not only trade but fascism in the extreme. We’re told that a large percentage of this secret trade agreement enables the totalitarian fascists to further crack down upon our lives as freedom-loving Americans.
In the final video below, also featuring Wikileaks Assange, he shares that Wikileaks has proof that the Hillary Clinton camp is ‘rigging the election’ and Wikileaks will release it ‘soon’. Keep in mind the final video was released at the end of July. Why wait we must ask? The sooner ‘truth bombshells’ start raining down on these globalist war criminals and election thieves, the better.

Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 17 2016 14:09 utc | 122

Now I understand why those torrent sites were taken down. People following such news have been baffled – why now, why so many? This makes sense.

Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 17 2016 14:12 utc | 123

re 118:
Then, in fact and regarding the basing of Russian Aircraft on Iranian soil, it allows Iran to benefit immediately from any number of Russian Aircraft that may go anywhere on Iranian soil to do a job to the benefit of Iran.
Basing interceptors too in Hamedan allows their use to intercept any hostile aircraft whose intentions might be or could be construed to place Russian bombers in harms way.
Brilliant!

Posted by: CarlD | Aug 17 2016 14:13 utc | 124

re: 121
Larijani, Speaker of the Iranian legislature said that Russia does not have a “base” on Iranian soil as the Constitution
prevents it. (according to PressTV)
I suppose there must be a modus operandi in view of the use of the base by the Russian bombers. It is logical that the
full benefit of using the base must entail stocking the bombs close to or around that airfield. It is then and then only that
closer rotations and fuller complements of ordinance can be accomplished. So there is some sublety to circumvent the letter
of the Constitution.

Posted by: CarlD | Aug 17 2016 15:06 utc | 125

Elijah J M’s latest article – Obama has the upper hand over Iran and Russia in Syria and Iraq, And without major ground forces

Posted by: james | Aug 17 2016 15:51 utc | 126

re 123
Difficult to follow Elijah’s argument.

Posted by: Laguerre | Aug 17 2016 16:01 utc | 127

@ CarlD 122
Larijani, Speaker of the Iranian legislature said that Russia does not have a “base” on Iranian soil as the Constitution
prevents it. (according to PressTV)
They (Russia) do not have a base as in temporary use only for the Syrian campaign; which may or may not develop into a permanent “use arrangement”
“Iran is very sensitive about any foreign troops. But the cooperation between Moscow and Tehran is a sign of confidence in bilateral ties. It’s more than just arms deals,”
http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160817/1044368127/russia-iran-airfield-airstrikes.html
It is not the first time Iran has allowed a foreign power to conduct military operations from its territory.
http://sputniknews.com/politics/20160817/1044363882/russia-iran-syria-washington.html
~ ~ ~
Speaker Larijani is calming sensitivities.

Posted by: likklemore | Aug 17 2016 16:33 utc | 128

ProPeace@108 – “…You’re forgetting about Yakhonts and Sunburns.
These are anti-ship missiles with a range of a couple of hundred miles. I don’t disagree they would use them if they could, but the U.S. is not going to park the 5th Fleet 20 miles off the coast of Iran as targets. In any case, the U.S. will defend Israel no matter what if it was attacked. That’s not my opinion (nor my preference) – that’s the stated policy of the clowns that run my country.
This gets into speculation (mine) about what Nettanyahu and the Likudniks are willing to do to prevent/delay their perceived Iranian threat to Israel vs. what the consequences might be. At one point, they seemed to begrudgingly go along with the Iran nuclear deal since their own intelligence agencies said there was no evidence of a nuclear weapons program in Iran. That lasted a few weeks before they were publicly trying to scuttle the entire deal as ‘bad for Israel’. That rhetoric has shifted – at least to my reckoning in the U.S. media – that the U.S. Congress has to extend the sanctions act because Iran is sure to cheat. In other words, Nettanyahu and the Likudniks will ignore their own intelligence and just go with their paranoia.
The second purely speculative point of mine is that Iran would not retaliate against Israel to the degree that it would guarantee a attack by the U.S. in Israel’s defense. It would be suicidal by Iran. Russia (even if it was willing) knows that protecting Iran if it attacked Israel would mean WW III – a direct confrontation with the U.S. that would spiral out of control. Maybe I’m wrong.
“…It’s about destroying the competition to the Brutish Empire nuclear hegemony, and the Queen is a major player on that market…”
Russia is already building two new reactors in Iran and has agreed to begin building several more. The U.S. has promised to help convert the heavy-water reactor in Arak to be able to irradiate material for medical purposes without being able to make weapons-grade plutonium. The British nuclear hegemony has already lost in Iran unless it can destroy Iran and rebuild it from the ground up. They may still be counting on that, but anything short of that means Russia won and sells Iran its new reactors.
Israel has always been interested in getting somebody – anybody – to destroy Iran. The situation was just like that in Libya, Iraq and Syria. When the destruction plans get moving, Israel and everyone else cries about WMDs which further fuels the rush to invade/destroy the target country. It’s impossible for Israel to convince anybody today that Iran has – or is about to develop – nuclear weapons. Ballistic missiles are just not WMD enough to excite anybody besides Israel itself. Israel is still eager to see the scheduled destruction of Iran occur so it has to make that happen. It has to provoke Iran, and an attack on its non-existent weapons program is precisely the kind of provocation needed. Short of that, Israel has nothing.
The U.S. neocons also have the same ultimate goal: the destruction of Iran. They have little in their toolbox to provoke Iran besides the old nuclear inspections ploy. That’s going to takes years to play out. U.S. neocons may be content with that time-frame, but Israel doesn’t want to wait any more – Nettanyahu is ready to have a stroke if someone doesn’t attack Iran soon. If the U.S. (or the Saudis) won’t do the job for him, he’ll do it himself. The window is closing: both on his ability to do that considering Iran’s air defenses, and his willingness to do that before Russia get’s too cozy with Iran. He can essentially ‘get away with it’ if he does it now, and has a good chance of provoking Iran enough to retaliate somehow which will result in their destruction ala Iraq and Syria.
I would have expected some kind of false flag by Israel up until now, but that’s going to be hard to pull off and may not be enough by itself. Iran is almost expecting that now and may not fall for it as easily as Israel hopes. It would still be a good adjunct to the chaos and indignation caused by a strike on Iran’s nuclear facilities, so I’m sure that’s still on the table. The only requirement Israel has – like always – is to provoke Iran to react in a way that someone else besides Israel is threatened. If they drag the Saudis into it by design or by false flag, then Iran is sure to at least close the Straits of Hormuz. Now the U.S. has a plausible reason to attack Iran and finish the ‘seven countries in five years’ plan.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Aug 17 2016 16:48 utc | 129

ProPeace @119–
I suspect Russia has info regarding 911 and has waited for the proper moment to air it.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 17 2016 16:52 utc | 130

Lavrov rebuffs:
In response to a WSJ piece indicating Washington’s concern the deployment of Russia’s bombers to Iran violates UNSC resolution –
Russian deployment of bombers to Iran is legal, West should stop trying to find fault – Lavrov
https://www.rt.com/news/356290-lavrov-russia-iran-airbase/

[.]”There is no reason to suspect Russia of violating UN Security Council resolution 2231 [on the sale and transfer of arms to Iran],” Lavrov told a news conference on Wednesday.[.]
“These military aircraft are used by air forces after Iran’s authorization for taking part in the anti-terrorist operation in Syria after a legitimate request from its government,” he said.[.]
“There is absolutely nothing to discuss,” Lavrov said, adding that there is no need to look for fault.
“Otherwise, we will have to sort out how a vast amount of cash made it to Iran from the US, and why bank transfers from the US to Iran have taken place in dollars – it is strictly prohibited under American laws.”
[.]

~ ~ ~
D.C. is left standing on the back-foot. If you live in a glass house, do not throw stones
(emphasis added)

Posted by: likklemore | Aug 17 2016 17:29 utc | 131

@karlof1 | Aug 17, 2016 12:52:22 PM | 130
Yes, they already issued a warning by flashing an article in Pravda about a year ago I think…
@PavewayIV | Aug 17, 2016 12:48:42 PM | 129
Thanks for expanding on your POV. I agree Satanyahoo is desperate enough to attack Iran, but he has no chance of success, and his targets in Iran are beyond his reach IMHO.

Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 17 2016 19:23 utc | 132

Think about FINANCE MoA readers.
There is forming a new alliance of nations and barring nuclear war, the only way that new group can function cohesively in a “Cold War” environment is to have an alternative financial system to the existing Western private finance one.
If shit don’t blow up before the G20 meeting, expect that conflab to be a barn burner!
I would appreciate more astute MoA folks to start providing insights into maybe the initial and then evolved nations on each side of the coming Multi-polar world. It is above my pay grade.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 17 2016 19:37 utc | 133

I’m too excited about all this and forgot to add that the alternative backroom inter-nation clearinghouse stuff I think was built by China as part of starting up the AIIB bank…….some of it has been working for over a year.
Let the negotiations “begin”
In my next life I am going to be a fly buzzing around the table of important negotiations and someone is going to smack me just before the climax is reached……grin I have been waiting for 40+ years, hoping to see this stage in world affairs come and glad to see it happening. That said, I truly believe that anything has to be better than private finance setting our social incentives.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 17 2016 19:58 utc | 134

ProPeace@132 – “…Satanyahoo is desperate enough to attack Iran, but he has no chance of success…”
The goal isn’t to destroy Iran’s non-existent nuclear weapons development – destruction of the Natanz enrichment site and other similar sites would just be a bonus. The purpose of such an attack is purely to provoke Iran under the guise of destroying their nuclear weapons development. ‘Success’ is measured after-the-fact: How crazy will Iran react and is it crazy enough to make someone else feel the need to attack them. Just like every other such attack in Israel’s history, they will slink back home and – if possible – simply not comment on any supposed attack even though it’s quite obvious to the world who was responsible. They got away with this three other times while the world did nothing but shrug its shoulders. If Iran does go nuts, then all the attention will be on Iran, not on Israel.
“…and his targets in Iran are beyond his reach IMHO…”
Give Israel enough credit to figure out how to rig a couple of refueling drogues on their C-130s if they really wanted to. It’s not rocket science.
Not that they have to – they will have added thee more to their existing three operational C-130J Super Hercules giving them a fleet of six. It is widely suspected that they had Lockheed modify them to some kind of optional KC-130J configuration, giving them an extra 62,000 lbs. of fuel with external tanks. That’s plenty of gas to top off a dozen or two F-15s and F-16s on their way to/from Iran. That’s assuming they just don’t arrange a secret refueling stop at a remote airstrip somewhere in Saudi Arabia ahead of time. The whole refueling/range thing hasn’t been a problem for Israel for years, although they like everyone to think its still a problem.
The issue has always been Iranian’s existing SAM and F-14 interceptor suppression, and Israel has had plenty of options to deal with those. S-300s (maybe with a home-brew PESA radar) is a game-changer. Israel doesn’t have enough intel about the first operational division and they’ll have four more to contend with by early next year. The S-300s will be in addition to most of Iran’s existing SAM defenses, not instead of the. Israel will have to contend with both the old and new systems up and running in another six months. Thus, my ‘window’ observation.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Aug 17 2016 21:05 utc | 135

@PavewayIV | Aug 17, 2016 5:05:29 PM | 135
Thanks again. I’ll leave it at that. Do not want to give the enemy any ideas… 🙂

Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 17 2016 21:29 utc | 136

Why Hamadan? In addition to hidden hand | Aug 17, 2016 9:48:48 AM | 119

There is another advantage to using Hamadan, Vzglyad noted. The airfield is located in an area that is protected against incoming cruise missile strikes due to its terrain.

Also from Why Iran Allowing Russia to Use Airbase Has ‘Great Tactical Importance

[..]If you look at the bottom map you will see the TU-23 run from Iran’s Hamadan airbase is not only a straight west shot to Syria, but takes it right over the Iraq battlefield where the bomb bay doors can be easily opened for some “from Russia with love” notes [..]
We might even see the Iraqis hosting the Russian fighters to reduce their mission airtime. The Hamadan airbase, if you Google map it up, you will see is nestled into the eastern side of the of the mountains with good security both on the ground and radar in the mountains.
So what we may be seeing here is a “coalition roll out” for the final assault on ISIS, and maybe not only its supply routes but eventually the bases where their supplies are coming from, which could be problematic if Turkey starts bombing ISIS and maybe the Kurd, too, while letting supplies and fighters continue to flow in to anti-Assad factions [..]
He said that considering the fact the Syrian Army has blocked the city of Aleppo, significantly advancing towards the north, one can assume that the way out of the Syrian crisis is more clearly visible now.
“Russia’s role in the fight to destroy the terrorist organization Daesh is so significant that in order to block any route that the terrorists may use, the decision to allow the Russian Air Force to use Iranian bases was made,” Khani Zadeh said.
The expert also noted another turning point affecting the balance of forces on the Syrian front — the recent visit of Turkish President Erdogan to Russia and his talks with Vladimir Putin.
According to Khani Zadeh this visit showed that Ankara has changed itspriorities in Syrian politics.
“It is obvious that Turkey prefers to join the Russian-Iranian coalition against Daesh,” the expert stressed.
“This factor and the deployment of Russian bombers in Hamadan testify to the success of the Iranian-Russian strategic partnership in the fight against terrorism, particularly in Syria. Therefore, placement of Russian air forces at the airbase in Hamadan, despite its brevity will surely yield results. The aim of the Russian airborne military operations is to destroy Daesh as soon as possible. Hence, it is clear that Iran and Russian cooperation with Syria will continue to strengthen,” Khani Zadeh concluded.

Accusation: Russia’s New Base in Iran to Beat US Satellite Intel Used to Protect ISIS

Some have questioned why the Tu-22M3s bombers were not deployed to Hmeymim since the Russian airbase in Syria is closer to Aleppo thenHamadan. The reason is simple. The Tu-22M3s are too heavy to use the airstrip in Hmeymim. But the base played a major part in the latest counterterrorism offensive. The Su-30SM and Su-35S aircraft that provided cover for the Russian bombers deployed to Iran took off from the base in Syria.This tactic paid off. On August 16, Russian airstrikes destroyed five large ammunition depots with weapons, munitions and fuel, as well as militant training camps near the cities of Serakab, Al-Ghab, Aleppo and Deir ez-Zor cities. In addition, Russian bombers razed to the ground three command and control centers near the cities of Jafra and Deir ez-Zor. A “significant number of militants” were killed in what the Russian Defense Ministry described as a “concentrated airstrike.”
These facilities, the ministry added, were used to support and assist radical groups fighting near Aleppo.
“The Russian Armed Forces have never carried out such a major and well-coordinated operation in terms of timing, multiple fronts and targets,” the media outlet observed.
Defense analyst Anatoly Nesmiyan told Svobodnaya Pressa that the decision to deploy bombers to the Hamadan air base could have been made “in response to Iran’s discontent with the situation around Aleppo.”
The Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) and Hezbollah, he added, were not happy that air cover did not arrive as fast as they needed it. “Perhaps, Iran allowed Russia to use its air base under condition that Russian aircraft will focus more on bombing rebel-held areas in Aleppo.”

Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 17 2016 22:20 utc | 137

Please tell the cartographers to correct the map!
By my count, there should be at least 17 sites clearly labeled:
LAST Hospital in Aleppo

Posted by: felix | Aug 17 2016 23:43 utc | 138

@137 PP, ‘if Turkey starts bombing ISIS and maybe the Kurd, too, while letting supplies and fighters continue to flow in to anti-Assad factions’
on that last point … Turkey Permits 1,000 Terrorists to Cross Border and Enter in Syria’s Idlib

With a permission of the Turkey’s authorities, hundreds of terrorists crossed the Turkish border and came in Syria’s northwestern Idlib province to join other terrorists in Aleppo.
Over 1,000 fully-equipped terrorists arrived in Idlib province to join the Jeish al-Fatah group in the province of Aleppo, as Turkish border guards did not impede border crossing by terrorists, the al-Watan newspaper reported on August 16.
According to al-Watan, the main part of the terrorists was from foreign, in particular Arab, countries.
Informed sources said that terrorists were crossing the border at Bab al-Hawa and Bab al-Salameh and entering northern Idlib at nights.

… with friends like Erodogan you don’t need enemies.

Posted by: jfl | Aug 18 2016 0:40 utc | 139

PavewayIV | Aug 17, 2016 12:48:42 PM | 129
Interesting that nowhere is mentioned the “Samson Option”, where Israel brings down the “temple” (all the major cities of the western world).

Posted by: V. Arnold | Aug 18 2016 0:44 utc | 140

ISIS launches a massive offensive on Kuweirus

Islamic State militants based in the Al-Bab, ISIS’s largest stronghold in Aleppo, mobilized for a massive attack on Syrian Army positions in the vicinity of the Kuweirus Air Base that lies in Aleppo’s eastern countryside.
Prior to their assaults, they sent several VBIEDs to the villages north of the base with clashes reported inside the government-held village of Nasrallah.
Russian/ Syrian pilots have been working overtime attempting to upset the desperate ISIS offensive that is most likely aimed at setting up a considerable buffer zone around the city ahead of an impending attack by the SDF.

Wonder if these are IS that somehow, miraculously, escaped the siege of Manbij while everyone was sleeping?

Posted by: jfl | Aug 18 2016 0:45 utc | 141

If Israel attacks Iran, Iran must hit back. No to do so is to invite more attacks at USrael’s pleasure. I feel sure they will.
A few years ago I’d have said that pressure should be brought on the US government to make clear to Israel that they’re on their own if they start a war with anyone, especially Iran. Now I know that there is no connection between what Americans want and what the neo-con dominated US government wants, and that the neo-cons feel they need no longer attend at all to the ‘squatters’ in ‘their’ country, so I’ll save my breath. The United States if like Thailand: an occupied country. The one by the neo-cons/pentagon, the other by the elite/Royal Thai Army.

Posted by: jfl | Aug 18 2016 0:58 utc | 142

@141 A surprisingly informative piece from the BBC (devoid of Assad/Putin bashing). May answer your question.
“SDF fighters could only watch from a distance as the jihadists left Manbij in a 500-vehicle convoy and headed for the nearby IS-held town of al-Bab.”
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-37093856

Posted by: dh | Aug 18 2016 1:22 utc | 143

@psychohistorian
Don’t you worry your little head.
America has been a warmongering–and war criminal nation–for the past 200 years.
In fact, the USA has been at war over 90% of its entire history and has been raping and looting nations (starting with the Native Indian nations) since its spawning.
America Has Been At War 93% of the Time – 222 Out of 239 Years – Since 1776
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/02/america-war-93-time-222-239-years-since-1776.html
Yet the USA still hasn’t been held accountable for its crimes after all this time.
And your meme that America will be “thrown under the bus” is a pathetic alibi that American apologists are increasingly pushing in order to to portray the United States as a “victim” when in fact it is the world’s preeminent victimizer.
At base, the only thing Americans as a people give a damn about is getting away their criminal wars. They support these wars tacitly if not directly, not because they are brainwashed, but because they are American supremacists who believe in the false religion of American Exceptionalism and the essential “goodness” of the USA.
That’s the United Sociopaths of America in all its malevolent Orwellian glory.

Posted by: USAma Bin Laden | Aug 18 2016 6:24 utc | 144

Turkey is displaying its annoyance with NATO or is it exerting blackmail?
RT cites Turkey’s FM:
Turkey considering military ties with Russia as NATO shows unwillingness to cooperate – Ankara
https://www.rt.com/news/356380-turkey-russia-military-nato/
Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu has lashed out at NATO, saying the alliance is not fully cooperating with Ankara. In an interview with Sputnik, he hinted that Turkey would consider military cooperation with Russia.
Cavusoglu says that Ankara has become alarmed at the lack of willingness shown by NATO to cooperate with Turkey, which is a member of the alliance.
“It seems to us that NATO members behave in an evasive fashion on issues such as the exchange of technology and joint investments. Turkey intends to develop its own defense industry and strengthen its defense system,” he said in an interview with Sputnik.
“In this sense, if Russia were to treat this with interest, we are ready to consider the possibility of cooperation in this sector,” Cavusoglu said when asked about the possibility of working with Russia in the defense sphere.
[Developing.. Details to Follow]
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Military ties with Russia” Out of NATO goeth.
Is Turkey trustworthy?

Posted by: likklemore | Aug 18 2016 14:27 utc | 145

@dh, ‘500-vehicle convoy and headed for the nearby IS-held town of al-Bab’
Posted this at the open thread, but they’re chasing their tails running round the debt poll over there …
In the midst of cries and complaints …Growing disquiet in Washington over Russian-Iranian actions in Syria

[A]fter conquering the city of Manbij in northern Syria, US-backed forces, which are fighting with the support of American special operations troops, granted safe passage to a convoy of between 100 and 200 trucks and cars filled with ISIS members fleeing toward the Turkish border. The effect was to ensure that these forces lived to fight another day, presumably the Americans hope, against Assad.

… comes the news of Washington’s having let IS go again, in Manbij, to fight another day.
So some went to Turkey and at least twice as many went to al-Bab?
The Iraqi victories over IS were of the same sort … let them ride outof town and then occupy it.
Al-CIAduh and IS won’t be dead till there’s a stake driven through each of their hearts. The problem is that the heart of each beats in Washington DC.

Posted by: jfl | Aug 18 2016 15:18 utc | 146

@jfl | Aug 17, 2016 8:40:22 PM | 139 & Aug 18, 2016 11:18:59 AM | 146
Just more meat for the meat grinder and a cheap way to liberate Manjib.
Loss of innocent human life is minimal and I suspect always exaggerated.
Everything’s according to the plan, IMHO.

Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 18 2016 15:34 utc | 147

Please, leave NATO asap!
Turkey considering military ties with Russia as NATO shows unwillingness to cooperate

Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu has lashed out at NATO, saying the alliance is not fully cooperating with Ankara. In an interview with Sputnik, he hinted that Turkey would consider military cooperation with Russia.
Cavusoglu says that Ankara has become alarmed at the lack of willingness shown by NATO to cooperate with Turkey, which is a member of the alliance.
“It seems to us that NATO members behave in an evasive fashion on issues such as the exchange of technology and joint investments. Turkey intends to develop its own defense industry and strengthen its defense system,” he said in an interview with Sputnik.
Read more
Turkish and NATO flags © Fatih Saribas Turkish diplomats slam NATO for ‘trying to dictate terms’ of Ankara’s foreign policy
“In this sense, if Russia were to treat this with interest, we are ready to consider the possibility of cooperation in this sector,” Cavusoglu said when asked about the possibility of working with Russia in the defense sphere.
It is Cavusoglu’s strongest rebuke of NATO to date.[..]

Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 18 2016 16:02 utc | 148

Nouvelle approche turque de la Syrie

Turkish Prime Minister Binali Yıldırım, rcevant journalist Mustafa Karaalioglu, said his government would have exposed its Iranian partners an approach to the Syrian issue in three points:
– Maintaining the territorial integrity of Syria (which means prevent the creation of a new state in the north, to the extent that Ankara no longer controls the Syrian Kurds who are now fighting each other);
– Prevent the domination of one ethnic group or a confession (which involves maintaining the secular Baath Party and President Assad in power);
– To organize the return home of Syrian refugees in Turkey (at least a part of them, because another part -from Sunni and deemed opposed to the Republic- was offered apartments specially constructed for them in populated areas by Turkish Kurds). This third point does not anticipate a similar decision of Lebanon and Jordan that belongs to these States.
This positive approach is similar to that professed Turkey at the beginning of negotiations in Geneva but then did not fit his attitude on the pitch.

Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 18 2016 16:54 utc | 149

Among military technicalities in Syria war I don’t understand is why not use around Aleppo these MRLs with range of 90 km. It seems this would solve the air power problems Vasilescu is writing about in the link above?

The Russian artillery is currently the most capable on the planet, it is even far superior to anything in the West, and its effects on the Ukrainian military have been absolutely devastating in the past. Russia has an unique combination of UAV (Unmanned Aerial Vehicle) and EW (Electronic Warfare) capabilities which are directly plugged-in into the targeting systems of Russian multiple-rocket launchers which can reach as far as 90km into the enemy’s rear. Finally, the Russians have been working for years on advanced submunitions and thermobaric warheads which can be used with devastating effect on armored forces and fortified positions.
This combo of UAV and advanced multiple-rocket launchers form what the Russians call a “reconnaissance-strike complex” or RSC (разведывательно-ударный комплекс) which is a concept first developed by the Soviets as far back as the 1960s. The RSC fully integrates all the following elements: reconnaissance, guidance, electronic counter-measures, navigation and engagement of high-precision weapons.
Now, with the advent of new UAV and counter-battery radars, this concept has reached its full maturity and is now the cornerstone of Russian combined-arms operations. What this all means in practical terms is that the Russians now have the capability completely destroy several mechanized battalions in only 2-3 minutes.

Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 18 2016 22:43 utc | 151

@Propeace:
Don’t be supprised if the Russian mod makes little use of various em emitting tech, at least publicly. Anything that broadcasts electromagnetically can be cataloged, studied, jammed, and even spoofed. I wouldn’t be suprised if the targetting (not the tracking) radar for the s400 hasn’t been turned on at all. Some tech has to be used in the defense of Russia, it’s best not to give an opponent too much of a sneak peak.

Posted by: winsti | Aug 18 2016 23:18 utc | 152

@Aug 18, 2016 7:18:38 PM | 152
Sure. But back then in Autumn there was a talk (including NATO military experts) about the EM “bubble” created by the Russian top-notch tech over the Syrian theater impenetrable to the enemy. Hence my confusion.

Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 19 2016 0:16 utc | 153

@147 pp
IS split, went to Al-Bab and to Turkey. The ones in Turkey will come back into Syria through Idlib for the next run/reinforcement of the attack on/counter-siege of Aleppo city. The US has just moved IS to where they can kill Syrians and Russians rather than Kurds and American forces/mercs. The ones in al-Bab were at Kuweries, will be at al-Bab waiting for the Kurds/US all over again.
It’s going according to plan all right … the Obama/CIA/Pentagon plan. At least that’s how it seems to me. Seems like the same plan is operative in Iraq, as well.

Posted by: jfl | Aug 19 2016 11:05 utc | 154

I’m sure many of you have been monitoring what looks to be the next potential shit storm, i.e. Syrian gov. Forces battling against Kurds in al hasakah. Yesterday the YPG reported being bombed by the Syrian air force,today the SAF is denying it.
https://southfront.org/all-out-war-breaks-out-in-al-hasakah-as-government-kurdish-forces-vie-for-control/

Posted by: winsti | Aug 19 2016 12:43 utc | 155

ISIS recaptures key town in northern Aleppo. Wonder if these are some of the boys who went through Erdogan’s revolving doors … out of Syria and into Turkey, north of Manbij; out of Turkey and into Syria, just north of al-Rai?

Posted by: jfl | Aug 19 2016 13:29 utc | 156

German report criticizing Turkey highlights growing tensions within NATO
The Turks need to get out of NATO and out from underneath the Germans.
The Germans need to get out of NATO and our from underneath the Americans.

Posted by: jfl | Aug 19 2016 13:32 utc | 157

Russian Warships Launch Cruise Missiles on al-Nusra Front Targets in Syria
also: Tu-160 strategic long-range bombers will join the bombing of al-Qaeda and associates west of Aleppo.

Posted by: b | Aug 19 2016 17:05 utc | 158

…and, according to Fr24, the Yankees are getting indignant about Syrian fighter jets ‘interfering’ with US operations IN SYRIA!!!

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 19 2016 20:14 utc | 159

@ 159
I suppose its schadenfreude-ish but there are no better folk to have their nickers in a twist.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Aug 19 2016 20:33 utc | 160

@ pavewayIV “They would be plenty pissed off at Israel (and/or the U.S. and S.A.), but it’s hardly worth starting WW III over”.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/151739
“Russia: Attack on Tehran is Attack on Moscow” from 2012
Russia would retaliate against Israel. They know the UN would view a surprise Israeli attack against Iran as unjust given the nuclear agreement, and they know the US wouldn’t start ww3 over a small retaliation from Iran/Russia. They don’t love Israel that much (see nuke deal and Israel/British invasion of Egypt where the Americans told Israel to fuck off, leave Egypt alone, pack its bags and go home). And added benefit to the US to letting a counter attack happen is increased military sales to Israel from defense contractors

Posted by: Chad | Aug 20 2016 6:39 utc | 161