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August 17, 2016
Open Thread 2016-27
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@77 — “Where do all the pipelines go?” Posted by: x | Aug 18 2016 15:15 utc | 101 Noisette @ 94 Posted by: paulmeli | Aug 18 2016 15:18 utc | 102 Bianca is selling as a fairy tale herself, whitewashing crimes of Erdogan’s family gang (not a peep about Bilal trading Syrian oil stolen by Daesh and his involvment, along with the MIT, in the kidnapping, raping, torturing and murdering of Serena Shim and Jacky Sutton, or about suppressing freedom of speech and of gathering). Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 18 2016 15:22 utc | 103 So, a key southern pillar of NATO is asking the big question: if Russia and Iran are now not enemies (but rather partner allies) then for what is NATO (and its exponential cost curve)? Alas, its purpose and relevance is in doubt. Must be time for another false flag by the usual suspects… Posted by: x | Aug 18 2016 15:23 utc | 104 @94 noirette.. thanks. i think that is why the term petrodollar came about.. if you can pay for energy, or enough military to control a lot of the energy, then the financial picture is all about controlling the energy availability.. obviously energy -oil/gas – is very central to one’s need at present.. this would also explain why the wars are all about energy… money enters it too, but it is more confusing to put it all together.. i suppose this is why financial sanctions and running everything thru the camp bretton agreement and imf is a winning strategy for certain ‘currencies’ over others and why some countries are attempting to boycott certain currencies too.. Posted by: james | Aug 18 2016 15:24 utc | 105 U.S. moving assets around to provoke Russia “…deficit spending will end badly.” Posted by: paulmeli | Aug 18 2016 15:27 utc | 107 memo to The former Pentagon official Michael Maloof ! Posted by: ALAN | Aug 18 2016 15:31 utc | 108 Re: Noirette, 94 Posted by: Gordon | Aug 18 2016 15:32 utc | 109 It seems to me that every nation on earth is reportedly broke or in debt. That would be impossible. Every nation cannot be in debt. Somewhere there should be a nation or two which is not in debt but instead has a surplus. Posted by: fastfreddy | Aug 18 2016 15:41 utc | 110 “They’re after your social security.” Posted by: paulmeli | Aug 18 2016 15:45 utc | 111 Here is an example of rising American stars in international relations soon to rival Neuland and Powers. Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 18 2016 16:06 utc | 112 Iceland did not yield, as with the banksters. Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 18 2016 16:12 utc | 113 I want to respond to MRW but am really busy today so lets make it simple Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 18 2016 16:14 utc | 114 Ukraine threatens to spread Nazi Banderite networks to Poland – Fort Russ
Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 18 2016 16:20 utc | 115 “MMT is a theory” Posted by: paulmeli | Aug 18 2016 16:31 utc | 116 Sputnik News talk about an alliance between Russia Iran and Syria taking shape.http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160818/1044403105/russia-turkey-iran-syria.html All parties seem to recognize the importance of the Kurdish question. “The idea is to preserve the territorial integrity of both Turkey and Iran. Currently, the Kurdish problem is one of the most important issues for Ankara. In order to resolve it, Erdogan may turn to Tehran. Posted by: harrylaw | Aug 18 2016 16:54 utc | 117 Sorry I omitted to say Scotland, N Ireland and Wales have their own parliaments and can legislate on certain devolved matters. All within the Constitution of the UK of GB and NI Posted by: harrylaw | Aug 18 2016 16:59 utc | 118 @4, Elijahjm is very ingenious. But he fails to take into account the growing mega-state of Russia/China. Posted by: ruralito | Aug 18 2016 17:01 utc | 119 paul @ 101 yes … i was rough and ready it is hard to describe what is really going on in one short post that aims or pretends to cover…our energy / monetary universe.. it is bound to be crappy…so one has to analyse all asset swops, but what are assets worth (once you unhook from the nos. printed in the paper), who knows? – you get the drift. Posted by: Noirette | Aug 18 2016 17:09 utc | 120 “If we can accommodate such diversity…” harry law @115 Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 18 2016 17:14 utc | 121 About pro-Bandera Ukrainians and Poles. Sadly, hatred of Russia is popular in Poland, even if revived hatred of Ukrainians is a strong competitor. Piskorski was arrested as a “Russian spy”. There are some organizations trying to foster Polish-Ukrainian friendship, and their “successes” verge on comical (like a joint demonstration in Warsaw with 20 participants). Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 18 2016 17:31 utc | 122 jfl @ 100 said: “Al-CIAduh and IS won’t be dead till there’s a stake driven through each of their hearts. The problem is that the heart of each beats in Washington DC.” Posted by: ben | Aug 18 2016 17:40 utc | 123 Way to go! Russia bans John McCain NGO in Russia Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 18 2016 18:14 utc | 124 @ paulmeli 101, 106 Posted by: likklemore | Aug 18 2016 18:17 utc | 125 @Piotr Berman | Aug 18, 2016 1:31:31 PM | 122 Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 18 2016 18:26 utc | 126 @107 paulmeli.. thanks for your ongoing comments… whatever can expand, has to contract at some point too, or it is a man made dream for as long as everyone goes along with it… bubbles can last a long time.. monetary expansion which has as it’s byproduct debt of magnitude unable to be paid back is either indentured slavery, or a good ticket for those who are in early on the ponzi scheme.. the financial system at present is definitely going to end badly.. it isn’t if, only when.. Posted by: james | Aug 18 2016 18:28 utc | 127 ProPeace@124 You mean John ‘Tokyo Rose’ McCain here is the lost recording. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO0mHEJyC3Y Posted by: harrylaw | Aug 18 2016 18:33 utc | 128 FYI Mateusz Piskorski | Katehon think tank. Geopolitics & Tradition Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 18 2016 18:33 utc | 129 @harrylaw Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 18 2016 18:39 utc | 130 @ paulmeli | Aug 18, 2016 11:18:47 AM | 102 Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Aug 18 2016 19:56 utc | 131 @ paulmeli | Aug 18, 2016 11:18:47 AM | 102 Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Aug 18 2016 21:07 utc | 133 I have just been watching a clip called: FSA goes after the Iranian mercenaries, Posted by: CarlD | Aug 18 2016 21:40 utc | 134 Formerly T-Bear @ 131. Posted by: paulmeli | Aug 18 2016 21:43 utc | 135 @133 paulmeli.. thanks.. interesting dude – bernard lietaer.. from wikipedia page on him “In 2012, he was the lead author (with Christian Arnsperger, Sally Goerner and Stefan Brunnhuber) of Money & Sustainability: the missing link, a publication of The Club of Rome, in which he predicted that “the period 2007-2020 [will be] one of financial turmoil and gradual monetary breakdown.” The book was published in May 2012 and has been slated for release in several languages in November 2012.” Posted by: james | Aug 18 2016 22:09 utc | 136 Finally! CNN: Bandar bin Sultan link to 9/11 attacks | Veterans Today Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 19 2016 0:06 utc | 137 @131 ftb ‘The Fed is skating on very, very thin ice. But the panic that would ensue should banks fail would be earth shattering and bring down the world’s economy in very short order. There would be no known remedy for that.’ Posted by: jfl | Aug 19 2016 0:53 utc | 138 @95 noirette, ‘Debt is by theoretical principle of no importance to anyone who can print or create money’ jfl @ 137 Posted by: paulmeli | Aug 19 2016 1:49 utc | 140 @138 pm @138 pm The UK suffers an absence of strategic thinking at the top. That applies to everything, the economy, defence, agriculture, you name it. Stubbs @80 Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 19 2016 4:05 utc | 143 jfl @ 139 Posted by: paulmeli | Aug 19 2016 4:34 utc | 144 Sadly, hatred of Russia is popular in Poland Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 19 2016 4:54 utc | 145 Well, well; apparently the U.S. had plans to launch a first strike nuke attack against the USSR in 1963. But JFK said no. Posted by: V. Arnold | Aug 19 2016 6:25 utc | 146 @ paulmeli | Aug 18, 2016 5:43:27 PM | 133 Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Aug 19 2016 6:41 utc | 147 @ jfl | Aug 18, 2016 8:53:12 PM | 136 Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Aug 19 2016 6:57 utc | 148 Andrew Korybko – Shifting Sands In The Mideast: Russia And Turkey Posted by: okie farmer | Aug 19 2016 7:15 utc | 149 The usual suspects must be kicking themselves now on their ‘failed’ policy to contain Assange in London Embassy. If they’d let him run free then he’d be dead by now and Wikileaks no trouble. Based on these emerging outcomes it makes one wonder if the Swedish ‘sex scandle’ was not a baited double-agent strategy in the first place by Assange et al? Cramped tortuous ‘house arrest’ for a few years in a metro centre where communication channels can’t be easily denied or a bullet in the back of the head one night… hmmm? Posted by: x | Aug 19 2016 8:12 utc | 150 Glen Ford, and Ajamu Baraka are trying to educate the voters who’ve always voted Demoblican out of fear of Republicrats
Whether you like the Greens or hate them, the thing to avoid is the menagerie, do not vote for an elephant or a donkey but pick a 3rd party or write-in a candidate of your own choosing, this November and every November hereafter, until we’ve drawn a consistent plurality for ‘other’, until we’ve established a virtual ‘other’ party, until we’ve developed a minimalist ‘other’ platform, until we’ve elected ‘other’ candidates from among ourselves on the other platform, until we’re in control of the federal government. Posted by: jfl | Aug 19 2016 10:52 utc | 151 @Piotr Berman | Aug 19, 2016 12:54:09 AM | 145 Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 19 2016 12:07 utc | 152 A little anecdote about NAFTA, from a tiny spot at the front row when it happened. Just after the treaty, mutual funds gave the wide public a chance to gain from that glorious event, and I availed myself of the opportunity. A mutual fund with “high yield performance” in name invested in government securities of NAFTA countries, heavily skewed toward Mexico. Peso denominated securities offered two-digit interest, while due to the NAFTA treaty the confidence in Mexico was booming (due to idiots like me, I am sorry to say) and peso was strong. As a result, Mexico was flooded by borrowing opportunities, so they did borrow. About a year later it dawned on ultra-smart analysts that Mexicans borrowed a bit more that they could repay, so institutions started to sell Mexican securities. It was really: tide of money in, tide of money out. The in-comming tsunami made Mexicans over-leveraged and temporarily happy, and the out-going wrecked the economy, and most notably to me, my poor (hitherto strong) peso. My observation is that a common theme in financial crises is artificially boosted confidence, duly blessed by Federal Reserve and any type of applicable financial authority, where IQ larger than 90 is not tolerated. Perhaps 110 is still OK, enough to write reports and follow the line: maintain economic growth in purely financial way, while removing one safety feature after another in the imitation of Chernobyl engineers. You see, when the experiment does not work with safety features in place, something has to go, right? And the choice is obvious (especially with properly limited IQ). Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 19 2016 12:31 utc | 153 @147 — “The problem about banking, it is not rocket science, …” Posted by: x | Aug 19 2016 14:22 utc | 155 So September will be another MSM bashing Putin-bashing month. Posted by: Belo | Aug 19 2016 14:37 utc | 156 Right on cue… 🙂 Just what I’ve been recently pointing out:
Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 19 2016 15:07 utc | 157 … Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 19 2016 15:10 utc | 158 Gordon at 109 thanks for reminding me of Gail the Actuary. I remember her from when she was an editor – staff? at the Oil Drum. Two others who are good on energy/finance links are Nicole Foss and Jean-Marc Jancovici (a French engineer, all in French, link.) Posted by: Noirette | Aug 19 2016 16:06 utc | 159 @Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 19, 2016 11:10:41 AM | 158 Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 19 2016 17:13 utc | 160 Manafort is dumped. Posted by: bbbb | Aug 19 2016 17:25 utc | 161 Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 19, 2016 1:13:46 PM | 160 Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 19 2016 18:01 utc | 162 I know I post too much, but I could not resist, sorry. 🙂
Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 19 2016 18:15 utc | 163 Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 19, 2016 8:07:50 AM | 152 Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 19 2016 18:22 utc | 164 @Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 19, 2016 2:01:48 PM | 162 Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 19 2016 18:24 utc | 165 @Piotr Berman | Aug 19, 2016 2:22:51 PM | 164 Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 19 2016 18:31 utc | 166 Yes, I should buy me one of them toys one day… Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 19 2016 19:56 utc | 167 The Growth Industry That is Anti-Russian Propaganda Posted by: Mann | Aug 19 2016 20:01 utc | 168 ‘Unacceptable if we’re not in’: Turkey says it aims to be part of EU by 2023
The new Erdogan? Partner of Russia, Iran, China? He’s as unreliable as they come. Realignment will have to wait till Turkey’s next life. Posted by: jfl | Aug 19 2016 20:25 utc | 169 And the hits just keep on comin’.
He also notes that Moscow found former PM Yulia Timoshenko a more amenable figure, pointing out that the present regime imprisoned her for her supposedly unpatriotic gas deal. All of the various actors during the Maidan coup were interested in their local holdings and revenues, “not pursuing alliances with this or that foreign power. As a Russian official once put it to me, ‘Yanukovich isn’t pro-Russian, he’s pro-Yanukovich’.” Posted by: rufus magister | Aug 19 2016 23:32 utc | 170 Here’s a link to an interesting thread via the above referenced Walid, concerning the fates of one family, two brothers, and numerous dead cousins, more real/fake schizoid drama for the ‘meh’ western masses. Posted by: hejiminy cricket | Aug 19 2016 23:45 utc | 171 …. it wasn’t the reason why the current anti-Russian government was elected. Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 20 2016 0:02 utc | 172 The Trump Brownshirts are coming Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 20 2016 3:02 utc | 173 @173 Posted by: crone | Aug 20 2016 3:10 utc | 174 @173- so called liberals would have already shriveled up and blown away were it not for their willingness to combat fake fascist demons come election time. Posted by: hejiminy cricket | Aug 20 2016 3:20 utc | 175 @ crone Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 20 2016 3:31 utc | 176 Here is a posting about China and global finance. Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 20 2016 4:30 utc | 177 https://memoryholeblog.com/2016/08/19/arkancided-the-untimely-death-julian-assanges-lawyer/ Four people Arkancided in one month: All knew bad stuff about the DNC. Posted by: Penelope | Aug 20 2016 5:00 utc | 178 psychohistorian@8 from the Hasaka threa: “…Why are commercial airplanes over Portland doing major flight change and S curves about 11 am PDT? I saw the contrails of 3, 2 that had made significant diversions and one with a big S turn and then kinda back on course…” Posted by: PavewayIV | Aug 20 2016 5:31 utc | 179 @ PavewayIV – 179 Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 20 2016 6:39 utc | 180 LOL! Posted by: acrimonious | Aug 20 2016 6:54 utc | 181 Turkish Stream Gambit: Putin lays the pipe on Erdogan
This sounds like another opportunity for Erdogan to blackmail both Russia and the EU, using Russia’s gas and her pipelines to do so.
… that sounds like a better proposition for both Russia and the EU. By the time it comes on line the EU will have learned not to follow the US’ orders … “Let’s you and them fight” … any longer. Well, at least one would hope so. That will require the actual European people to get up on their hind legs and sever the bans between the EU and the USA, though, the USA has the EU personnel themselves bought, lock, stock, and barrel. Posted by: jfl | Aug 20 2016 11:29 utc | 182 20;Ah, Henry ford,the antisemite! Posted by: dahoit | Aug 20 2016 13:02 utc | 183 122;Weren’t the Rus vikings?I’m not up on Russian history,but I do remember that being said in Nat Geo a while ago. Posted by: dahoit | Aug 20 2016 13:20 utc | 184 @Penelope | Aug 20, 2016 1:00:25 AM | 178 Thanks for the update. Some good news: Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 20 2016 13:25 utc | 185 Interesting developments: Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 20 2016 13:29 utc | 186 in re 174 — Posted by: rufus magister | Aug 20 2016 13:32 utc | 187 173;The brownshirts are the ziomonsters,witness their total theft of our govt into the Israeli Foreign Legion,and what American doesn’t want border control? Posted by: dahoit | Aug 20 2016 13:33 utc | 188 paul at 140. We are going to vote on that in Switz: money creation will be Gvmt. controlled thru the central bank, (link top of goog.) That might sound no better, but one has to delve into the CH constitution / pol.-gvmt. structure to understand that the Central Bank is quite tightly controlled, etc. Posted by: Noirette | Aug 20 2016 14:17 utc | 189 Correction to 188 — “Which opponents will continue to use as a hit on Trump as a Russian agent.” It’s likely to have some effect, even though it is not true, at least on the basis of this evidence, as I suggested at 170. Posted by: rufus magister | Aug 20 2016 14:21 utc | 190 New Cold War bird-dogged a nice rebuttal of some Atlantic Council fluff. The author warns investors away from losing their money in the Ukraine. It is the sort of occasional frank and open exchange of views amongst the elite that
Thomas Theiner would beg to difer. “Every roulette table in Las Vegas is more promising than Ukraine. I know from personal experience.”
And so this then would be the sort of people in Kiev we Americans are aiding and abetting. I’d put my money on the Russian Federation and the Donbas republics. Posted by: rufus magister | Aug 20 2016 15:40 utc | 191 oops, errata at 191 — The sort of analysis of actual reality “…. that they need to have to actually conduct business and git ‘er done.” Always interesting and informative moments in bourgeois discourse. Posted by: rufus magister | Aug 20 2016 15:45 utc | 192 Self-organization in precipitation reactions far from the equilibrium
Is it an accident that the same metaphors that drive our mastery of the ‘external’, ‘lower-order’ physical world seem so applicable to our ‘unique’, ‘higher-order’ social world? Is there really more than just a perceived difference between the two? Posted by: jfl | Aug 20 2016 15:58 utc | 193 @189 Noirette, ‘one has to delve into the CH constitution / pol.-gvmt. structure to understand that the Central Bank is quite tightly controlled, etc. ‘ Posted by: jfl | Aug 20 2016 16:09 utc | 194 A link from Noirette’s leads to an Interview with Dr Emma Dawnay on the Swiss referendum on monetary reform, which confirms that the proposed Swiss reform is literally based upon Huber and Robertson’s Creating New Money, and presents a one-page summary of the book, if you feel you don’t have time or inclination to read ‘the whole thing’ – it’s only a hundred pages. Posted by: jfl | Aug 20 2016 16:41 utc | 195 The misfits left behind by the society are picked by the evil oligarchy and turned into criminals (using Tavistock, MK ULTRA/ Monarch techniques in Gitmo, Rahm Emanuel’s dungeons in Chicago and elsewhere) later terrorizing that society into divided, conquered, dysfunctional colonies – breeding grounds for such misfits. Also feeding the private prison industry. Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 20 2016 17:03 utc | 196 One more thing about why anonymous voting is such a nonsense. Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 20 2016 21:22 utc | 197 Also if your chosen candidate becomes corrupt, it’s in your interest to disavow him/her. Thus it keeps you engaged in the process, you cannot stay numb and indifferent to what’s going on. Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 20 2016 21:25 utc | 198 @rufus magister | Aug 20, 2016 11:40:11 AM | 191 Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 20 2016 23:29 utc | 199 RT Spanish is covering Hillary’s illness pretty bigtime– now calling it aphasia. No mention of the original leaker’s death. Even went back to a June 10 video clip which plays and replays exaggerated head movements. I’ve been saying since she publicly cackled over Gaddafi’s death that she’s on drugs. There’s all that incontinent laughter too. Posted by: Penelope | Aug 21 2016 3:01 utc | 200 |
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