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August 14, 2016

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thank you for your blog

i like trump ,he wants to do good,but i disagree on the death tax

NO DEATH TAX = NO MIDDLE CLASS

the death tax is invented to help the poor vs the very rich

there is no other pacific way to a fair society

raising too much the minimum wage bring inflation and the poor get poorer and the rich richer

have a good day

Posted by: quietguy | Aug 14 2016 12:27 utc | 1

Some link sharing,

>> Turkish officer seek asylum in the US
http://sputniknews.com/world/20160810/1044143708/turkish-officer-seeks-us-asylum.html

>> US provides 150 tanks to Saudiarabia
http://www.thenewatlas.org/2016/08/us-provides-additional-150-tanks-to.html

>> Russia invite Nato, but gets no reply.
https://www.rt.com/news/354141-russia-nato-partnership-ready/

>> US NGOs exposed
http://journal-neo.org/2016/07/30/thailand-us-funded-monitors-exposed/

>> Hillary lying for 15 minutes straight - Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dY77j6uBHI

Posted by: Mann | Aug 14 2016 13:26 utc | 2

15th August 1947 was the day the Brits allowed India to be Independent of the Empire. The evening news reminded viewers that the creation of (muslim) Pakistan caused/obliged 10s of millions of "Pakistani" Indians to migrate from India to Pakistan and vise versa.
Whilst this upheaval was proceeding as planned, some Jews in Palestine declared that another British social engineering experiment, Israel, had been created and blessed with the status of independent "country" on 14th May 1948.
Similar to India/Pakistan, Palestinians were obliged to get off Jewish Land and were herded into "humanitarian" ghettos by "humanitarian" Jews, with guns, hammers, clubs and other blunt instruments (aka G-d) and "Israelis" still celebrate the anniversary of the day G-d gave them "Israel."

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 14 2016 13:43 utc | 3

Nuclear subs, bear cubs & Fidel Castro's other legendary adventures in the USSR (RARE PHOTOS)
https://www.rt.com/news/355819-fidel-castro-ussr-visit/

Posted by: okie farmer | Aug 14 2016 13:44 utc | 4

For those that haven't seen it, this morning's Sunday Washington Post features several prominent anti-Russia/Putin articles. One page A1, above the fold, is the headline "Russia's tactic's roil Europe", with subordinate headlines "INTERVENTION IN NEIGHBOR'S POLITIC'S" (all caps) and "Kremlin's alleged role in DNC hack is similar. The article, very tendentious and rambling in the Post's normal diffuse style, short on facts, continues on page A10, half page above the fold, with the banner headline across the top "Russian meddling in European politics similar to DNC hack." A large picture of Red Square is labeled "The Kremlin is visible to the right of a women looking at her smartphone in Red Square. Russia has tried hard in recent years tout European countries to its side bankrolling the countries extremist political parties and working to fuel a backlash against migrants." Below that there's a small picture of Mr. Putin, looking very worried, captioned ""President Vladimir Putin sought to build support for his vision, favoring authoritarian leaders over democratically elected ones." The article says essentially the same thing, in a diffuse, very rambling manner.
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Then in the Outlook section, page B4, in the continuation of an article about conspiracy theories, there is a large, very unflattering picture of a frowning Mr. Putin, captioned "Is Russian President Vladimir Putin controlling Donald Trump ? That's one conspiracy theory floating around the 2016 campaign."
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No doubt much of this is campaign related. Russia/Putin have been elected the sticks to beat Mr. Trunp with. If it continues until the election, however, it's likely public opinion, manufactured though it is, will be receptive to military action against Russia, as Hillary and her likely advisors have hinted openly, in Syria and the Ukraine.

Posted by: Seward | Aug 14 2016 13:51 utc | 5

It is worth reviewing the history of the Clinton Gang.

"Just a few (25) of the scandals, lies, and criminal activity of Hillary Clinton."

http://endingthefed.com/hillarys-camp-freaking-out-as-this-video-goes-viral-no-way-to-stop-it-now.html

Posted by: x | Aug 14 2016 13:52 utc | 6

I posted something and it disappeared. So this is a test run.

Posted by: x | Aug 14 2016 13:53 utc | 7

It is worth reviewing the history of the Clinton Gang.

"Hillary Camp Freaking Out As This Video Goes Viral ‘No Way To Stop It Now’ VIDEO”
(Feb 8, 2016)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=249K-_X2A6I

Posted by: x | Aug 14 2016 14:02 utc | 8

Seward

Question that arise, is MSM brainwashed to hate Russia or are they unknowingly spreading propaganda against Russia?

Anyone want to take a guess?

Posted by: Mann | Aug 14 2016 14:19 utc | 9

Latest Seymour Hersh on Syria and other White House lies

Can you summarize what is Turkey's role in the ceaseless clash and bloodletting in Syria?

The Erdogan government was a covert supporter of the ISIS war against the Bashar al-Assad government in Syria for years, rearming ISIS fighters, buying seized Syrian oil from the ISIS at discount prices, and keeping the borders between Turkey and Syria, especially in Hakkari province, open for a steady stream of anti-Assad jihadists from around the world who wanted to join in the war against Syria. There also is evidence that some anti-Syrian factors in the United States have welcomed the Erdogan support or, at the least, looked away when necessary. Erdogan’s constantly expanding extremism and grab for power was ignored, more or less, by many in the mainstream US media until early this year, and President Obama, for reasons not known, has yet to fully share the intelligence about Erdogan’s political and religious obligations with the nation.

The irony, or tragedy, of Erdogan’s move to extremism is that throughout much of the last decade he was seen as being fully in the Ataturk tradition in Turkey -- that of a strong leader with strong religious beliefs who made sure that his nation remained secular. That is no longer true, as the recent coup, and Erdogan’s extremist response to it, has made clear. Those called by Erdogan to go to the street and attack the army when the coup began to fail were not fighting in support of democracy, as widely reported at first, but as Islamists fighting a secular military.


http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/37223-seymour-hersh-on-white-house-lies-about-bin-laden-s-death-pakistan-and-the-syrian-civil-war

Posted by: virgile | Aug 14 2016 14:25 utc | 10

Interesting video of fighter jet, and it's abilities. Incredible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EZN9tGxXCE

Posted by: ben | Aug 14 2016 14:46 utc | 11

I checked the link of "NGO exposed" of Mann @2.

Cartalucci is a pro-junta hack. Thailand is a deeply divided society, with certain quirks. Like some other countries it has a deep divide between the capital and the countryside, the huge capital being much more prosperous. Elite is corrupt. One elite family group decided to be "champions of the common people" and the parties that this family organizes reliably win elections if they are allowed to run. There was a coup, junta declared the family head to be criminal and forbid him from politics, but the next elections were won by his sister. This time a new coup and junta decided to dispense with elections once for all, with a bit of window dressing, and Cartalucci whined that the referendum on the matter was prejudicially suspected of violating democratic norms. While the article is long on though crimes and biases of the NGO he selected, it is silent on the total silencing of opposition voices, arrests, ridiculous sentences and so on. This is not quite "Indonesia 1965", but nevertheless a very poor example of the "Asian way".

In particular, pre-junta elections clearly show that the anti-democracy referendum would have no chance without massive muzzling of the media and outlawing of the political opponents, and one can reasonably suspect that it was rigged to boot.

One should also stress that Thai conflict lacks any East-West alignment. Military, in "Asian fashion", is a totally independent institution, so on one hand, coups happen any time they like it (they need royal approval, the independence of the military is based on almost religious veneration of the monarchy, comparable to Japan in 1859-1945 era). Hence, only the military is the partner in ASEAN etc. That said, the junta also plays "China card", like Erdogan plays "Russian card". Such a card gives valuable investments and gives a strong argument for the West to keep whining about democratic norm to, well, just whining. And this is what NGOs do in these situations (it is not like they foment riots in Thailand).

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 14 2016 14:50 utc | 12

@ Seward 5

WAPO’s anti-Russia/Putin articles are part of this agenda: The New Cold War but this time it’s different.

Rethinking The Cold War — Paul Craig Roberts

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/08/11/rethinking-the-cold-war-paul-craig-roberts/

[.]
”The new Cold War is even more pointless than the first. Russia was cooperating with the West, and the Russian economy was integrated into the West as a supplier of raw materials. The neoliberal economic policy that Washington convinced the Russian government to implement was designed to keep the Russian economy in the role of supplier of raw materials to the West. Russia expressed no territorial ambitions and spent very little on its military.

The new Cold War is the work of a handful of neoconservative fanatics who believe that History has chosen the US to wield hegemonic power over the world. Some of the neocons are sons of former Trotskyists and have the same romantic notion of world revolution, only this time it is “democratic-capitalist” and not communist.

The new Cold War is far more dangerous than the old, because the respective war doctrines of the nuclear powers have changed. The function of nuclear weapons is no longer retaliatory. Mutually Assured Destruction was a guarantee that the weapons would not be used. In the new war doctrine nuclear weapons have been elevated to first-use in a preemptive nuclear attack. Washington first took this step, forcing Russia and China to follow.

The new Cold War is more dangerous for a second reason. During the first Cold War American presidents focused on reducing tensions between nuclear powers. But the Clinton, George W. Bush, and Obama regimes have raised tensions dramatically.
William Perry, Secretary of Defense in the Clinton regime, recently spoke of the danger of nuclear war being launched by false alarms resulting from such things as faulty computer chips. Fortunately, when such instances occurred in the past, the absence of tension in the relationship between the nuclear powers caused authorities on both sides to disbelieve the false alarms. Today, however, with constant allegations of pending Russian invasions, Putin demonized as “the new Hitler,” and the buildup of US and NATO military forces on Russia’s borders, a false alarm becomes believable.”[.]

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It has a great deal to do with keeping the greedy MISC fed and NATO relevant.
{MISC -> military industrial surveillance companies}
Emphasis mine.

Posted by: likklemore | Aug 14 2016 15:04 utc | 13

The media is the fourth branch of government. It's there to inform the public of the government's intentions in a way which garners their support.

Posted by: Les | Aug 14 2016 15:06 utc | 14

Anal-retentive corrections. Seymour is always well informed, but he may miss a thing or two. "The Erdogan government was a covert supporter of the ISIS war against the Bashar al-Assad government in Syria for years, rearming ISIS fighters, buying seized Syrian oil from the ISIS at discount prices, and keeping the borders between Turkey and Syria, especially in Hakkari province, open for a steady stream of anti-Assad jihadists from around the world who wanted to join in the war against Syria."

The southern border of Turkey is VERY long, it starts in the east with Hakkari province and ends in the west with Hathay province. To the south of Hakkari we have the Kurdish region of Iraq. Hakkari was and probably main smuggling route of PKK which has mountain strongholds on both sides of the border, leadership staying on the southern side (actually, a bit further east). I guess that there was never a jihadist within 100 miles of Hakkari. But Hathay is the only remaining conduit of supplies, people and money to the bulk of northern jihadists of Syria.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 14 2016 15:08 utc | 15

@9 - from the Hersh article:

“ The Erdogan government …buying seized Syrian oil from the ISIS at discount prices”


It appears that Turkey was more of a transhipment point than the actual buyer of ISIS oil.

Israel Key Link in Exporting ISIS Oil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X06s9ay7SsQ

But once the oil comes into mainstream Turkey, particularly in the three ports, one in which is [sehan] port, which is run by the Turkish government, there is a mysterious company called BMZ which takes control….

And they, through [sehan], take the oil out to Malta, where it is, again transhipped, put onto a different ship, and it goes to Israel. From where it is either consumed in Israel, or it's laundered or sold out to European markets. So that's basically how the oil flows

and:

a European oil industry official, who says that without Israel IS wouldn't be able to send its oil to Europe. That Israel's playing a critical link in the exports of IS oil. And then if that's true it means Israel is playing a critical link in funding IS.

Posted by: pantaraxia | Aug 14 2016 15:12 utc | 16

Kicking off re. the 1st post, quiet guy.

Was amazed to read Trump’s tax plan. Basically identical to the tax plan where I live.

After some PPP conversions and back o’ the envelope, roughly speaking it is the same. No tax for under 25K dollars p. a. (one person), 50K (couple) (Here, 1/3 pop. pays no tax. A couple with 2 children and 80K CHF pays nothing.) No inheritance tax. Corporate tax (1) (details skipped..) ..right now here a quarrel is raging…should it be 15, 14, gasp,13%?

As for deducting all child-care expenses (Trump) this is of course a mistake (Here it is a fixed sum per child..) or just speed-talking, as I presume Trump does not have a natalist policy, he just blathers this because ‘kids’ in the US are unaffordable - to up the contrast, unless you are rich/upper vs. willing to live very poor on SNAP / disability / in the shadow economy, etc.

The proposal almost looks like a copy-paste. But what does it mean really?

Practically nothing, as it is about income tax, and leaves other taxation (VAT, property or ‘fortune’ or ‘capital gains’ and other taxes, aside, not to mention more..) as well as ignoring the elephants *in* the room (at the lower level): health insurance/health costs, housing, education, interest rates, etc.

The elephant *behind* the scenes (Defense expenses, > WAR, war .. leaving out financial stranglehold, e.g. JP Morgan who takes a mighty %, about 7? off food stamp cards..) is left in the shade…

The Pentagon can’t account for 6.5 trillion, as per usual, July 2016:

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2016/07/31/Pentagon-s-Sloppy-Bookkeeping-Means-65-Trillion-Can-t-Pass-Audit

In short, all this - inheritance tax or no - is mental bread and circuses - distractions, obfuscations.

How long will US citizens put up with this cr*p?

1. Trump says he would lower corp. tax from 40% to 15, the more or less official rate is not 40 but 35, the highest in the world with Japan. However many biz. don’t pay that (deductions, loopholes, status, etc.) - I’m not talking about Megas Appple/Google .. etc. with their Irish-Dutch sandwiches, but say a producer of slate kitchen-ware.

Posted by: Noirette | Aug 14 2016 15:13 utc | 17

Posted by: Mann | Aug 14 2016 15:52 utc | 19

@5 Seward.. a vote for hillary is a vote for war with russia... that is the message i get..

@13 likklemore.. thanks.. i agree with your last comment especially.

@18 nmb.. interesting. thanks.. which way erdogan goes is anyone's guess.. i agree with a few other moa posters - erdogan is unreliable and can't be trusted..

ukraine seems to be going off the rails or continues to fill the neocons wet dream - call it what you will.. here is smoothies take on it..

a litte craig murray - The Dysfunctional United Kingdom

Posted by: james | Aug 14 2016 16:02 utc | 20

Yeah, kind of agree with Quieguy up top. I was thinking of Trump as the peace candidate, but repealing the estate (death) tax, well, just no.

I do want to stop Crooked "WWIII" Hillary, but now I guess I'll just fall in with the rest of us losers who pull for Stein.

Posted by: Ghostwheel | Aug 14 2016 16:34 utc | 21

What’s going on here? Significant foreign policy shifts in play. Opening doors, engage in dialogue and clarifications.

Sputniknews:
What's Behind Tehran's Idea for a Russian-Iranian-Turkish Partnership in Syria
http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160814/1044255897/russia-iran-turkey-syria-partnership-analysis.html

Iran's Foreign Ministry has offered to organize a trilateral meeting between Iranian, Russian and Turkish officials to discuss the settlement of the Syrian crisis. Asked to comment on whether the proposal was realistic, Russian analysts suggested that recent events have made diplomatic initiatives once considered impossible possible.

In a visit to Ankara on Friday, the first since the failed Turkish coup attempt last month, Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif was reported to have offered to facilitate a joint meeting between the leaders of Iran, Russia and Turkey to discuss settling the Syrian crisis. In the course of his visit to the country, Zarif met with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Prime Minister Binali Yildrim and Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu.

Speaking at a joint press conference with Cavusoglu, the Iranian foreign minister also emphasized that the three countries were "key players in the region, and need to engage in dialogue and cooperation." Hinting at the existing disagreements over the situation in Syria, Zarif noted that "even if there are differences among regional countries, they can be ironed out via dialogue."

In turn, the Turkish foreign minister emphasized that his country was interested in the security and stability of Iran, adding that the two countries have a common understanding with respect to Syria's territorial integrity, as well as the need to obstruct the ambitions of "Kurdish separatists." Moreover, Cavusoglu hinted that Erdogan may make a visit to Tehran in the coming weeks. [.]

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In the ME, these foreign policy shifts signal the exceptional country is being isolated.

Posted by: likklemore | Aug 14 2016 16:36 utc | 22

As of now, Hillary is clearly in the driver's seat with full support of the media and deep state. Neither her failed tenure as Secretary of State nor her illegalities with the Clinton Foundation are going to move the needle. But there is one possibility out of Hillary's control that could tip the scale back to Trump. Last night, another incident of unrest broke out in Milwaukee; this after a two or three week calm. If racial tension explodes and gets back on the radar, the public's fear might direct many people back to Trump (the candidate of law and order). Fascism and a perceived strong police state is what people want when fear becomes the #1 issue.

Posted by: Musburger | Aug 14 2016 16:38 utc | 23

Bread and circuses…

When the COP 21 (1) was going on in Paris, there was a ginormous fair close by where almsot ALL world energy cos. were present and many pretended to be green.

HUGE! Publicity, deals, discussions… The media reported nothing. The COP21 came to some once again feeble non-binding agreements about global warming (see history from Kyoto on..) and everyone congratulated themselves, meanwhile, the real scene was elsewhere. This article (2) long, is not too bad. The last parags. speak about supporting Fr industry..duh..!

As for the Rio O. Games, MSM articles in Switz. have been quite frank.

One sorry point, is that audience boo becos their Oligarchs hide their money in Switz. (No longer true but no matter.) This is easy to overcome, it is said, with ‘Swiss venues and freebies.’ Sending the CH sporty guys and gals cost about 6 million CHF, 2 million paid by lobbyists/aka sponsors. (Nobody cares who wins anything or about doping etc.) The cost is considered ‘worth it’ as it is an investment in ‘soft power’ and a platform for making commercial deals, supporting the implanting of Swiss enterprises in Brazil - Omega timing, as the main accredited ‘timers’ — Omega invites a huge no. of VIP pl everyday!..All augmented with highbrow concerts and the like to soothe the uppers. (3)

1 eng http://www.cop21paris.org/about/cop21

2 Fr http://www.bastamag.net/Solutions-climat-entrez-dans-la-grande-foire-du-greenwashing-et-du-lobbying

3 Fr Swiss MSM https://www.letemps.ch/sport/2016/08/14/aux-jeux-rio-suisse-sexpose-sexporte


Posted by: Noirette | Aug 14 2016 16:40 utc | 24

Helmer on the Erdogan Putin meeting:
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2016/08/putin-erdogan-meeting-a-dud-no-common-ground-on-syria.html

Posted by: northern spudski | Aug 14 2016 16:57 utc | 25

John Helmer: Putin-Ergodan meeting a dud...Nothing on Syria, therefore nothing at all.

Posted by: kgw | Aug 14 2016 17:00 utc | 26

Posted at the same time!

Posted by: kgw | Aug 14 2016 17:02 utc | 27

Anyone aware of any "JUST WRITE IN BERNIE!" campaigns anywhere?

Posted by: jawbone | Aug 14 2016 17:06 utc | 28

kgw@26- yes I expected John Helmer to be trumpeting the success of meeting with Turkey as well as other English speaking Russia News outlets. Alas, it was nothing. Nothing at all.

Posted by: hejiminy cricket | Aug 14 2016 17:16 utc | 29

Posted by: likklemore | Aug 14, 2016 12:36:21 PM | 22

or a policy change - this is Germany's BBC - Deutsche Welle

US support for the Syrian non-extremist opposition is reportedly on the wane and Washington has reluctantly concluded that Russian support for Assad means the only way to oust IS is by linking up with Moscow and Assad.

The US has reportedly offered Moscow a two-part deal in which the US would accept the Nusra Front and the Syrian al-Qaida franchise would be a legitimate target for Russian air attacks.

Posted by: somebody | Aug 14 2016 17:23 utc | 30

More on the policy change.

The sources said that Kerry seemed to be optimistic with regards to the agreement reached in Russia, which provoked “surprise” among some EU ministers due to Moscow’s previous dealing with the Syrian file and its attempt to link a solution to the Syrian crisis to other pending issues with Washington, including the crisis in Ukraine and NATO’s increasing military presence along the borders with Russia.

During the meeting in Brussels, Kerry told the attendees that he agreed with Lavrov on breaking up a solution to the Syrian crisis into several phases, the first being U.S.-Russian military cooperation on airstrikes against ISIS and Nusra Front.

Such cooperation can only be launched when the moderate opposition’s military points are separated from Nusra’s locations, according to Kerry.

...

On a different note, sources said that Kerry told his European counterparts that discussing the fate of Bashar Al-Assad would be postponed to later stages, noting that a solution to the Syrian crisis could only be political through an agreement with Russia.

The same sources said that Moscow would not accept to engage in meaningful negotiations unless it gets reassurances on preserving its interests in Syria and securing the presence of a trusted person who would succeed Bashar Al-Assad.
Consequently, the European sources believe that the Kerry-Lavrov agreement would be “difficult to implement”, adding that the Syrian regime, backed by Russia, Iran and the armed militias, would continue maneuvering to prevent the holding of negotiations in Geneva until the achievement of its objectives in the war arena, especially in Aleppo.

The European sources concluded by saying that the efforts currently deployed by the U.S. administration represent the last attempt to resolve the ongoing crisis. They added that if Russia failed to exert pressure on the Syrian regime and Iran to implement the bases of the agreement, then Washington would completely withdraw from the Syrian file, leaving to Moscow the burden of dealing alone with the crisis.

Posted by: somebody | Aug 14 2016 17:33 utc | 31

Posted by: kgw | Aug 14, 2016 1:00:25 PM | 26

Actually, there is common ground. Neither of the parties wants Syria to split for a Kurdish state.

Posted by: somebody | Aug 14 2016 17:37 utc | 32

@5, @9, and @13
Many years ago, a person arrived in the US, believing it to be the best, noblest, most progressive and honest country in the world (yes, US propaganda worked wonders back then). From the start, though, something seemed amiss... The so-called free and honest press printed stories that went against what this person knew from own experience. The stories said that Soviet union was planning to attack US any minute now; therefore, the US had to arm itself, remain on guard, and fight them over there... The person knew, however, that USSR was not suicidal - so the stories made no sense. The obvious question was thus - are these people stupid or are they lying? For the person - who left everything behind and sacrificed all - the question was existential and finding the truth became a life-long obsession. The truth (or bits of it) finally revealed itself 25 yrs later - in the run-up to Iraq war, when the person read an article about Team B (one may goog-le team b as an outfit promoted by papa bush). The rest is history...

Posted by: GoraDiva | Aug 14 2016 17:41 utc | 33

Musberger@23 "As of now, Hillary is clearly in the driver's seat with full support of the media and deep state."
Not so sure, this online poll from ABC say's Hillary has no support.
Trump 44,000 votes 70%
Stein 11,039 votes 17%
Johnson 4,781 votes 8%
Clinton 3,209 votes 5%
Which chimes with Trump's ability to fill football stadiums, while Clinton struggles to get a couple of hundred to fill the basement of a library. Most mainstream media however, as you say put Clinton ahead in the polls.http://truthfeed.com/the-shocking-results-of-abcs-online-presidential-poll/16578/

Posted by: harrylaw | Aug 14 2016 17:49 utc | 34

#9 Mann....
Neither, they're paid, not brainwashed and knowingly spread propaganda. Nice try though.

#10 virgile....
Poor try from Hersh. No mention of Gulen?! He should talk to someone who has a clue, like Sibel Edmonds. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tctl8FNasFo

#13 likklemore....
Yes, very dangerous. New cold war warriors don't have the memory of the Great War that was a balancing force in Cold War 1.

#18 nmb....
A lot of useful points, kind of scattershot big picture. Yes, Erdogan is unreliable but that misses the shift in the new dynamics.

#22 likklemore....
This IS significant and points to the new dynamics. Full story can't be told in western media because meme of 'who lost Turkey' would be a major setback for hegemonic ambitions in Middle East and of circling Russia.

#25 northern spudski & #26 kgw....
Many Russian commentators (Helmer, Mercouris, Sleboda) are missing a piece of the action here. The full impact of the shift happening here can not exposed just yet. Not to the Russian public, and not to the world at large. Will be a mixed game for a while. And who can play this mixed game better than Erdogan? Borders with Syria closed? Yes and no. Sometimes yes and sometimes no. Yes here, there no. And if no, then shipments snitched to Russia for targeting? Maybe, maybe not.

Posted by: kafkananda | Aug 14 2016 17:58 utc | 35

Zbigniew Brzezinski

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-politician-support-failed-coup-turkey-grave-mistake/

Posted by: Les | Aug 14 2016 18:04 utc | 36

Silencing America as it prepares for war
John Pilger — johnpilger.com May 27, 2016

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=137937

"Returning to the United States in an election year, I am struck by the silence. I have covered four presidential campaigns, starting with 1968; I was with Robert Kennedy when he was shot and I saw his assassin, preparing to kill him. It was a baptism in the American way, along with the salivating violence of the Chicago police at the Democratic Party’s rigged convention. The great counter revolution had begun......

Sanders, the hope of many young Americans, is not very different from Clinton in his proprietorial view of the world beyond the United States. He backed Bill Clinton’s illegal bombing of Serbia. He supports Obama’s terrorism by drone, the provocation of Russia and the return of special forces (death squads) to Iraq. He has nothing to say on the drumbeat of threats to China and the accelerating risk of nuclear war. He agrees that Edward Snowden should stand trial and he calls Hugo Chavez – like him, a social democrat – “a dead communist dictator”. He promises to support Clinton if she is nominated...

“Only Donald Trump has said anything meaningful and critical of US foreign policy,” wrote Stephen Cohen, emeritus professor of Russian History at Princeton and NYU, one of the few Russia experts in the United States to speak out about the risk of war.....

Nothing on the 80 per cent of Americans whose income has collapsed to 1970s levels. Nothing on the drift to war. The received wisdom seems to be “hold your nose” and vote for Clinton: anyone but Trump. That way, you stop the monster and preserve a system gagging for another war."

Posted by: Jack Smith | Aug 14 2016 18:11 utc | 37

Just in from a link via a new Syrian Perspective post.

http://atimes.com/2016/08/putin-erdogan-have-a-deal-on-syria/

M.K. BHADRAKUMAR says

It is the ‘morning-after’ that needs to be watched when a crucial summit meeting takes place. And, as details become available, it emerges that the meeting between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Turkish President Recep Erdogan at St. Petersburg on August 9 has been exceptionally productive.

Neither side showed interest in labeling the qualitatively new level of relationship in hackneyed terms, but then, it doesn’t matter whether one calls it ‘alliance’, ‘quasi-alliance’ or ‘entente’. What matters is that a profoundly meaningful relationship is commencing.

Posted by: kafkananda | Aug 14 2016 18:11 utc | 38

Posted by: Les | Aug 14, 2016 2:04:50 PM | 36

Check his twitter account - he did not tweet this.

Posted by: somebody | Aug 14 2016 18:25 utc | 39

@ somebody 30, 31

Thanks. Can the Russians rely on Kerry’s offer. Does he not report to his assistant, Vickie Nuland?

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@ Jack Smith 37

Nothing on the 80 per cent of Americans whose income has collapsed to 1970s levels. Nothing on the drift to war. The received wisdom seems to be “hold your nose” and vote for Clinton: anyone but Trump. That way, you stop the monster and preserve a system gagging for another war."

An essay you may find interesting.

“Globalization Is Dead, But The Idea Is Not:

https://www.theautomaticearth.com/2016/08/globalization-is-dead-but-the-idea-is-not/

Posted by: likklemore | Aug 14 2016 18:41 utc | 40

Al Sharq al Awsat is a KSA newspaper. You can imagine the feeling there: they have to deal with 90 million real poor in Egypt, soon to be 130 million according to forecast, and a new Vietnam for them in Yemen, where another 25 million super poor will have to be dealt with. That will make them busy with their own borders and natural partners.
For Erdo, I can imagine that meeting an Iranian scholar who knows everything about Hanafism (his type of Islam) gives him a very different impression than the usual Gulf air-heads or the Syrian 'rebel gov' made of ambitious and greedy people.
They had no choice in a way because of the calendar: elections in September in Syria, no election before November in the US.

Posted by: Mina | Aug 14 2016 18:49 utc | 41

Yes, you're right. There's also nothing about Syria in his latest article.

http://www.the-american-interest.com/2016/04/17/toward-a-global-realignment/

Posted by: Les | Aug 14 2016 18:50 utc | 42

the continuing story of bombed hospital in Aleppo debunked in a series of tweets, plus links to MoA articles on the subject: https://storify.com/MoonofA/how-the-aleppo-hospitals

Posted by: Jean | Aug 14 2016 19:18 utc | 43

Posted by: Les | Aug 14, 2016 2:50:26 PM | 42

In a way there is. He seems to be saying that there should be a Chinese, Russian, European, Turkish, US imperialist coalition against Islamist extremism.

Maybe it is his way of saying that the world's resources have to be made safe for everybody or will be safe for nobody.

He must be demented by now.

Posted by: somebody | Aug 14 2016 19:41 utc | 44

@60 jean.. thanks.. i see NassimNicholasTaleb @nntaleb retweeted, or tweeted that... taleb is a brilliant author and is mentioned by malcolm gladwell as an influence on him.. i have read many of talebs books and really dig his perspective.. he's american of lebanese descent..

Posted by: james | Aug 14 2016 19:52 utc | 45

More retarded propaganda against Russia, Syria, Trump.

Hillary’s Top Surrogate Accuses ‘Trump and His Friend Putin’ of ‘Founding ISIS
http://sputniknews.com/politics/20160814/1044260726/hillary-trump-putin-mccaskill-isis.html

Posted by: Mann | Aug 14 2016 20:05 utc | 46

Saudi Arabia faces collapse - Vijay Prashad

Posted by: somebody | Aug 14 2016 20:10 utc | 47

somebody@47 Saudi Arabia faces collapse. Now is the time for Iran and Russia to reduce their oil price to the equivalent of 5 dollars a barrel or less. Hej

Posted by: harrylaw | Aug 14 2016 20:17 utc | 48

Wow!https://www.rt.com/usa/355919-soros-hacked-files-released/

Posted by: Mina | Aug 14 2016 20:57 utc | 49

Medical examinations show Hillary Clinton suffers from blackouts, uncontrollable twitching and memory loss. Has been diagnosed as having complex partial seizures and early onset of subcortical vascular dementia in early 2013. In February 2014, Mount Kisco Medical Group’s Dr. Lisa Bardack, Hillary’s doctor, wrote the letter below, clearly indicating she’s unfit to serve for medical reasons. https://sjlendman.blogspot.co.uk/

Posted by: harrylaw | Aug 14 2016 21:12 utc | 50

#18, thanks for the link

#38, I was going to post but you beat to it. It's well written and so is his other article at the site on Iran and Turkey now talking to one another. They need to get over their small differences before the crazy hillabillie and the bat-shit-crazy neo-conns that fallow her.

Posted by: jo6pac | Aug 14 2016 22:07 utc | 51

Question for all:

What do your casual acquaintances, coworkers, etc feel about the war on Syria? Is there a general acceptance of the msm line, doubts, jaded rejection of the entire thing?

My fellow workers, without any prompting from me, seem to reject the endless calls to attack bad guy Assad, as after all, he's fighting who the media tells us is the ultimate evil on the planet, ISIS.

Posted by: Cresty | Aug 14 2016 22:34 utc | 52

Harrylaw @ 48:

If you say that Iran and Russia should reduce the oil price to $5 per barrel, that'll ruin Venezuela and probably topple Nicolas Maduro, to be replaced by a pro-US government. Unless you can recommend something that will save Maduro or replace him with a government committed to continuing Hugo Chavez's legacy, I'd stay my hand on the lever.

Posted by: Jen | Aug 14 2016 23:32 utc | 53

As Hillary was Clenis's upper brain ("I urged Bill to bomb Belgrade."), Kagan/Nuland are the brains behind windsurfer Kerry Heinz Cohen.

Posted by: fast freddy | Aug 14 2016 23:45 utc | 54

Cresty, if your coworkers have any knowledge about anything going on in Syria, you are among a class of superior intellectuals.

Posted by: fast freddy | Aug 14 2016 23:49 utc | 55

A modest proposal that would improve ecology and remove one of the threat looming over NATO. I will start with ecology. Occasionally some vermin creature proliferate and move to habitats where they are wrecking havoc. The most sensible response is regulated hunting. However, modern hyper sensibilities all to often preclude the most efficient solutions, like Texas helicopter hunts for feral hogs. In particular, British Isles had problems continuing the adorable fox hunts. Some time ago a commission was formed and after years of research it produced a lengthy report concluding that fox hunt is often detrimental to the welfare of the fox. And we should not be cruel to animals.

But now the tradition can be revive, if in different form: Trot Hunting. Trots are uncute, trained in un-comradely behavior, and worst of all, they infiltrate. In many shires they form a very vexing problems. Half measures like banning of the meeting where Trots could display the un-comradness only postpone the problem. And it is not just feelings that are being hurt: Trots are hostile to Trident in particular and to NATO in general. And NATO without UK is a poor substitute for the glorious present. Thus Trots have to be hunted down. Each shire with the problem should invest in a pack of Trot-sniffing dogs and enact periodical hunts.

Here you can get some details.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 15 2016 0:17 utc | 56

12 pb, 'and one can reasonably suspect that it was rigged to boot.'

Excellent, terse summary of the situation in Thailand. I assume the count is false ... 95,000+ precincts with paper ballots, tallied in public on site ... very good. Then the precinct results are iPhoned by the 'authorities' to election central and never released or referred to again. Everyone is left saying 'Gee it sure went down here, I guess it was all the people in those other precincts who liked it'. Sane thing happened in 2007, sans iPhones. Or that's what they would be saying if they believed the result. The amazing thing is that no one is mentioning the obvious fraud ... unverifiable result at the very least ... and the obvious model for coming elections, if there ever are any, if any opposition parties are not pre-disqualified. The dic's constitution is a disaster.

On Tony C ... he complains of Thaksin as the stalking horse of Neolibraconia, but the rest of the 'elite' are indistinguishable from him on an economic basis ... except for the distribution of the spoils. Thaksin would do some redistribution, the others none. I conclude that Tony C is actually a collective, funded by the Chinese, who feel their chances are better with the other Sino-Thai 'elite' than with the Shinawatra. Tony C never notices Chinese gangster-imperialism in the area ... dams in upper Burma, for instance. When the Burmese generals actually shut one down due to intense local opposition, Tony C cried crocodile tears and claimed it was a Neolibraconian plot.

Posted by: jfl | Aug 15 2016 0:24 utc | 57

in re 50 --

Srsly? Some typed letter, no signature? Where the hell is it from, how obtained?

Well, it turns out, it appeared from ethereal bowels of the Internet, into which it quickly sank once more. So says Snopes anyway.

Posted by: rufus magister | Aug 15 2016 0:25 utc | 58

harrylaw @34

Trump supporters are rightly concerned about media polling that seems to be biased toward Hillary. But online polls are unscientific and notoriously unreliable.

harrylaw @50

I'm skeptical that Hillary is as sick as some make her out to be. She did very well against Bernie at the debates.

IIRC, she complained of ill health in order to delay her appearing before the Benghazi hearings. This doctors' letter may be (probably is) what she presented to delay her appearance. Its really says very little.

It seemed pretty clear at the time that Hillary probably just wanted to get her ducks in a row before testifying.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 15 2016 0:30 utc | 59

Oh, and coincidentally, it's pretty much diametrically opposed to what Dr. Bardack said publicly a year ago about her patient's health.

Posted by: rufus magister | Aug 15 2016 0:32 utc | 60

PB at 56 --

Now that is sarcasm. I immediately picked up on the Swift reference.

A Protestant divine, he actually rather despised the Catholic natives. The faith and the Gaelic should be eliminated together, as they reinforced each other, he thought.

His independent Ireland was an Anglo-Irish one, and his use of the suffering of the Irish reflected his degree of alienation from Westminster. Fighting policies that hurt Irish manufactures embittered him.

Posted by: rufus magister | Aug 15 2016 0:41 utc | 61

Here is a link about ZH's view of the current currency war

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-14/currency-wars-escalate-fed-treasuries-custody-tumble-2012-lows

Americans are about to be thrown under the bus by the global elite that own private finance. That or the global elite will try and use US nukes to threaten or harm opponents of private finance control. When the world countries stop buying US debt, the big debt balloon goes POP! I think that the G20 meeting, coming in September in China, will be a significant event in this path.

And then the American people will rise up and hopefully not do anything stupid but help the world rid ourselves of the jackboot of private finance.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 15 2016 0:58 utc | 62

@56 pb, 'the most efficient solutions, like Texas helicopter hunts for feral hogs'

That sounds efficient to you? Do they have door gunners with 50 cals, or whatever they used in Vietnam?

You must be a crypto-Texan, pb. In TX, if some is good, more is better, and way too much is just about right.

In all of the USA, actually. Definitely when it comes to killing 'feral creatures'.

Posted by: jfl | Aug 15 2016 0:59 utc | 63

@56 pb

Ah, right ... on the helicopter feral hog hunts you'll now claim sarcasm, will you? Preserving your own mile-wide cruel streak?

How to flip-flop on every conceivable issue and 'get away with it' ... speak in your native sarcastic tongue in every instance. Remains impossible to detect your 'real' stance in any instance. Maybe, like Barack Obama, you just don't have one? Except/especially in your praise of Hillary and opposition to Trump? I thought I detected a tinge of actual engagement there. But I'm never at all sure amid the sophistry and sarcasm.

Posted by: jfl | Aug 15 2016 1:30 utc | 64

10

There is an instructional aid in linguistics to help learners pronounce correctly, the IPA system was invented to stick-chart all vocalizations. Then by moving the learner farther away on the stick-chart pronounciation guide, they will modify their pronounciation to fall somewhere closer to the 'ideal

Posted by: Samdech | Aug 15 2016 3:01 utc | 65

Armed Milwaukee man, 23, whose traffic stop death at hands of police sparked riots

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3739689/Violent-protests-erupt-Milwaukee-cop-shot-killed-man-following-traffic-stop.html#ixzz4HMlaP4qA

Posted by: euclidcreek | Aug 15 2016 3:02 utc | 66

10

...by which Erdogan can be manipulated by CIA-Mossad using their muslim cleric Fethullah Gülen, to subtly move Erdogan's public pronouncements to the right, then toss in a flower revolution action, and whallah, eithrr you get a military junta, or a right-wing Erdogan, either one serves the purposes of Deep State.

Posted by: Samdech | Aug 15 2016 3:05 utc | 67

I've seen a video of a helicopter hunt for feral hogs in Texas. An AR-10 was fixed to the chopper in a position where the pilot could aim it and reload it. The guy was good. He had quite a few one-shot kills, and fewer misses than I expected.

Feral hogs are a serious problem to farmers and ranchers. Losses exceed fifty million dollars per year, per state agency bean counters. Feral hogs are also destructive to ground-nesting birds such as pheasant, quail and turkey. Golf course greens and mama's flower-beds, as well.

Posted by: Desertrat | Aug 15 2016 3:06 utc | 68

62

"..And then the American people will quietly and passively load their stinking bedding in their one good car, have a junk sale that nobody will attend like an Irish wake, and trundle on down the road to join the other 95,000,000 jobless and homeless Americans...."

For G-d sake, MoA, purge these mesmerists and fabulists who believe in happy fairy story endings! There has never been a time in human history where the people overturned a Mil.Gov police state, one that owns their identity, and holds their paltry savings in the Royal banks.

The Exceptionals are the Bolsheviks, and you and everyone in your quaint suburb are just potato-eating kulaks. The next four years, you will be exterminated, or made feral. That's your only choice: die in some urban ghetto, or scratch out dirt-scrabble in rags in the wilderness.

Posted by: Samdech | Aug 15 2016 3:16 utc | 69

57

Same thing in Cambodia, vast tracts of land on outskirts of Phnom Penh being subdivided and sold informally with clear Chinese involvement. There must be a fat yuan 5-Year scheme in the offing, it's getting like Dubai was, but thankfully they have a Prime Minister for Life in control of lands and resources, so no worries, mate!.

Posted by: Samdech | Aug 15 2016 3:24 utc | 70

Well, the Ukrainians just discovered secret ledgers which show that Trump's election manager got $13 million in cash payments fro pro-Russian oligarchs. The ledgers are from 4-13 years ago. Suddenly discovered.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/15/us/politics/paul-manafort-ukraine-donald-trump.html?_r=0

Had to laugh. Of course Americans will believe it. But since I started following the Maiden and aftermath several years ago, the Ukrainians are very big in false flags. I guess that is what you would call them. For example, early on, Ukrainian synagogues were sent a letter telling them they had to register with the local government. Supposedly sent by some opposition group--nope. Or when Kiev regularly announces that tens of thousands of Russian troops are amassed on their border, and dutifully stenographed by all major media outlets. A writer on counterpunch.org wrote an article from the Ukrainian where he was gathering up stories. He visited one site where the Russians were massing troops. No sign of any Russian troops there or having been there.

Posted by: Erelis | Aug 15 2016 3:53 utc | 71

from ZeroHedge

George Soros Hacked, Over 2,500 Internal Docs Released Online

... As part of the disclosure, DCLeaks said the following:

"George Soros is a Hungarian-American business magnate, investor, philanthropist, political activist and author who is of Hungarian-Jewish ancestry and holds dual citizenship. He drives more than 50 global and regional programs and foundations. Soros is named as the architect and sponsor of almost every revolution and coup around the world for the last 25 years. Thanks to him and his puppets USA is thought to be a vampire, not a lighthouse of freedom and democracy. His slaves spill blood of millions and millions people just to make him even more rich. Soros is an oligarch sponsoring Democratic party, Hillary Clinton, hundreds of politicians all over the world. This website is designed to let everyone take a look at restricted documents of George Soros’ Open Society Foundation and related organisations. It represents workplans, strategies, priorities and other activities of Soros. These documents shed light on one of the most influential network operating worldwide."

more http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-14/george-soros-hacked-over-2500-internal-docs-released-online

Posted by: crone | Aug 15 2016 5:05 utc | 72

@ crone George Soros is new money

@ Samdech Your TINA (There Is No Alternative) attitude is now classed as agnotology. I am just an old fart who didn't make any kids to explain this all to and am enjoying (not the perverted kind) being able to watch the shit hit the fan in what is left of my lifetime. YMMV!

Evolve or go extinct. Isn't that what they taught us in school?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 15 2016 6:26 utc | 73

...
They added that if Russia failed to exert pressure on the Syrian regime and Iran to implement the bases of the agreement, then Washington would completely withdraw from the Syrian file, leaving to Moscow the burden of dealing alone with the crisis.
Posted by: somebody | Aug 14, 2016 1:33:51 PM | 31

Well spotted!
Judging by the incessant, and escalating, anti-Putin whining coming out of the Western Media, Putin is outclassing the Yankees so convincingly in Syria that a US retreat is the only practical option for preserving US dignity (and the SuperPower Myth).
The SP Myth has become a millstone around AmeriKKKa's neck.
We can all imagine how unhappy Putin would NOT be if AmeriKKKa unhooked its talons from Syria and let Russia tidy up the mess without any 'help' from the dumbass Yankees.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 15 2016 7:05 utc | 74

psychohistorian | Aug 15, 2016 2:26:03 AM | 72

Yeah, me too (no kids) and lol re: enjoying the show...

Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 15, 2016 3:05:56 AM | 73

Indeed; let Russia clean up the mess; U.S., GTFO (get the fuck out).

Posted by: V. Arnold | Aug 15 2016 7:37 utc | 75

This:

Hoarsewhisperer: "Judging by the incessant, and escalating, anti-Putin whining coming out of the Western Media, Putin is outclassing the Yankees so convincingly in Syria that a US retreat is the only practical option for preserving US dignity (and the SuperPower Myth)".

At the same time, isnt EU MSM even worse these days? Friggin propaganda everday.

'A People Passing Rude': Brief History of Anti-Russian Propaganda
http://sputniknews.com/analysis/20160812/1044174982/uk-anti-russian-propaganda.html

Posted by: Mann | Aug 15 2016 8:21 utc | 76

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/15/us/politics/paul-manafort-ukraine-donald-trump.html?_r=0

The Chosen are pushing a double-entendre, with their titties in a wringer over Ukraine (if you're old enough you know what that slang means) pushing the Big Lie of a paltry $12.7M in undisclosed payments made between former Ukraine president Yankovitch's people and Donald Trump's people. What'sa mattah you? Fahged abahd et!

Now compare that to $35,000M looted by Kerry and Congress from US taxpayers in July 2015 then secretly paid out to the *private IMF* to backstop their junk bond loans to the illegal Israeli junta coup in Kiev, ...and you can start to see a pattern here, ...since another $15,000M looted is headed to the *private World Bank* to backstop their loans to the same Israeli junta coup in Kiev, to rebuild E Ukraine roads and bridges for NATOs military assault on Crimea and three Russian territories, WHEN UKRAINE IS NOT A MEMBER OF NATO AND THE ISRAELI JUNTA COUP IN KIEV IS NOT A LEGITIMATE GOVERNMENT.

This $50,000M grift then rises from financial fraud high crimes and misdemeanors to GENOCIDAL WAR CRIMES. You may now return to your daily ZiewYorkTimes 5 Minutes of H8.

Posted by: Samdech | Aug 15 2016 8:24 utc | 77

Poland neocon ex minister want to arm Ukraine even more when UKRAINE refuse to make peace.., amazing!

Polish Politician Says NATO Should Arm Kiev With Advanced Lethal Weaponry
http://sputniknews.com/politics/20160815/1044274956/polish-official-lethal-weapons-kiev.html

Posted by: Mann | Aug 15 2016 10:17 utc | 78

I've seen a video of a helicopter hunt for feral hogs in Texas. An AR-10 was fixed to the chopper in a position where the pilot could aim it and reload it. The guy was good. He had quite a few one-shot kills, and fewer misses than I expected.

Posted by: Desertrat | Aug 14, 2016 11:06:17 PM | 68

"...and this is something I like to tell my American hedge fund friends. The Hamptons is not a defensible position... Eventually people are going to come for you... "

Mark Blyth, June 2016

Posted by: MadMax2 | Aug 15 2016 10:47 utc | 79

@ harry law. Report of an interview with a DNC insider. (Of course, who knows, person not named, etc.) Some of it rings true to me.

https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2016/08/13/dnc-insider-hillary-clintons-campaign-is-imploding/

Social media pro Trump - Clinton. I had an informal look myself some time ago, the main point seems to be correct (but article is not very good.)

Breitbart

The ‘Clinton imploding’ meme is supported (imho) by

— the fact that attacks against Trump (as a person..), with the latest, Trump as a Putin lover, have been (besides their stupidity and predictable ineffectiveness) mis-timed. Too many, one on top of the other, and too early. The calculation is completely off, haphazard, panicky.

— the recent supposed ‘swing’ in the polls in favor of Clinton is an attempt to legitimise and demonstrate the effectiveness of the attacks (rather than merely trying to convince voters that Trump will lose so they might as well not vote) - a tortured, delusional attempt at creating a self-fulfilling prophecy!

What Killary’s team does not understand is that US politics suddenly became a tad ‘real’ and is no longer just a question of ads, funding, shady deals, pecking orders - the status quo - and slicing/dicing the electorate, staying on message. The Republicans understood this marginally because they experienced the Tea Party (and killed it off.) One can see where it got them today.

Sanders was treated as an ‘upstart’ in the court, rather than a political challenge. The rival was eliminated by gross manipulation and cheating within the court.

Posted by: Noirette | Aug 15 2016 11:29 utc | 80

There is a remarkable Democracy Now show devoted 100% to Yip Harburg; he put the rainbow in The Wizard of Oz and so much more.
It also explains a lot about where and why we're in the situation we're in today. It's an amazing retrospective of the U.S. of yore and contrasted with today.
http://whatintheworld-icarus.blogspot.com/

The video is the 6th from the top; well worth a view, IMO.
It's my blog...

Posted by: V. Arnold | Aug 15 2016 11:39 utc | 81

@kafkananda

Sibel Edmonds Vs Hersh? You're joking?

Sibel babbles a lot for nothing. Her analysis and predictions are total fantasy. Media loves here like they love Kim Kardashian

https://www.corbettreport.com/interview-1193-sibel-edmonds-dissects-the-turkish-coup/

Posted by: virgile | Aug 15 2016 12:28 utc | 82

@77 samdech

While the MSM is playing up the Ukraine/ Manafort story, it is oddly silent on the ties between the Clintons ,the pay-to-play Clinton Foundation. and one of Ukraine’s richest oligarchs- the dual-citizen Victor Pinchuk.

- Pinchuk was confirmed as the largest individual contributor to the Clinton Foundation (2015),
making his contributions to the Foundation, while Hillary Clinton was the US Secretary of State,
(also has links to the Tony Blair Foundation and represented its biggest single donor in 2013)

- Among individual donors contributing to the Clinton Foundation in the period between 1999 and 2014, Ukrainian sponsors took first place in the list, providing the charity with almost $10 million and pushing England and Saudi Arabia to second and third places respectively.

-Pinchuk became particularly friendly with Bill Clinton. In 2010, he invited the former president to his 50th birthday party in the French ski resort of Courchevel. In return, Pinchuk attended Clinton’s 65th in 2011, and was a guest at the inauguration of Clinton’s Presidential Library. The Clintons spoke at Pinchuk’s Yalta European Strategy conference, which seeks integration between Ukraine and Europe.


Ukraine oligarch ‘top cash contributor’ to Clinton Foundation prior to Kiev crisis
https://www.rt.com/usa/243017-ukraine-clinton-foreign-donors/


After being introduced to former US President Bill Clinton by Doug Schoen, a political analyst and pollster who has worked for both Clintons, Pinchuk and his wife began making donations to Clinton-family charities, WSJ reported.

During Hillary Clinton’s time at the State Department, Schoen began work as a congressional lobbyist for the Ukrainian oligarch. Schoen defended his lobbying activities, saying there was no connection to Pinchuk’s hefty donations.

(note: Schoen had never done any prior lobbying. The meetings Mr. Schoen scheduled were almost exclusively with senior officials at Mrs. Clinton’s State Department)


Question - Why is Trump campaign not all over this story?


Posted by: pantaraxia | Aug 15 2016 12:29 utc | 83

Hoarse whisperer @74

I think you misunderstand what is meant by "withdraw from the Syrian file". They mean they would stop diplomatic efforts NOT that they would give up on Syria. Covert ops and support of allies would likely continue / intensify.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 15 2016 12:38 utc | 84

On the theme of propaganda memes: There is the infamous invention of a the 'barrel bomb' which Assad supposedly drops on civilians in Syria. I guess the conjunction of something normal - 'barrel' - with something bad - bomb' - gives an extra degree of dissonance that makes the barrel bomb seem worse than an ordinary bomb or a precison laser guided bomb that the US likes to use against hospitals and the like.

Well, here is a picture of a barrel bomb just after being released from the aircraft.

http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/afirsov/14754672/352680/352680_original.jpg

Evil isn't it? The barrel bomb looks just so more evil than the ordinary bomb dropped with it.


Actually, this a British invention from WW II known as a 'cookie'. A couple joined together formed something known as a 'block buster'. These were dropped en masse against German cities.


Posted by: Yonatan | Aug 15 2016 12:41 utc | 85

In german, about EU information-war: Dr. Daniele Ganser - "Verdeckte Kriegsführung" 17. Juni 2016 Reichshofsaal , Lustenau, Österreich
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M3VEK3MKKk

Posted by: Mann | Aug 15 2016 12:51 utc | 86

@85 Yonatan

WW II inaugurated war on civilian populations. It's the accepted way that 'civilized' nations - the ones that can afford air-forces - make war since then. The entire mission of the US Air Force is to kill civilians.

But wait ... terrorists are the head choppers. The USA is institutionalized terror on a big budget. We Americans are the real mass murderers, the ones who've killed more than a million Iraqis in 'retaliation' for the 3,000 Americans killed by just over a dozen Saudis, we're the 'good guys'.

The world is upside down. Roll back the 21st millennium and redo it. Remove the unexploded bombs dropped on Lao and Cambodian civilians that are still killing people everyday.

Make whatever reparations are possible to the Vietnamese, still born deformed from the US chemical warfare against Vietnam civilians.

Make whatever restitution is possible to the Iraqis subjected to radiation poisoning from US nuclear warfare - 'depleted' uranium.

Stop these damn wars that have been non-stop for four US presidential terms - the last two under the Nobel Peace Prize Laureate - and make whatever restitution is possible.

Who's running on that ticket?

Posted by: jfl | Aug 15 2016 13:24 utc | 87

@ Noirette | Aug 15, 2016 7:29:55 AM | 80

Must keep in mind each party's convention traditionally gives a 'bump' to that party's candidate's polling statistics following the convention. It is not an accident that the party controlling the executive always follows the out of power party's convention, having the position of the greatest 'bounce' and advantage prior to the election poll. The Democrat party's polling this cycle seems unduly fragile and is unlikely to maintain until the final poll in November. Public perception of which candidate is ascendant is the key in the election cycle and is best predictor of the winning candidate; such is the nature of manufactured consent. All other polls are merely attempts to direct perception and should be severely discounted.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Aug 15 2016 13:42 utc | 88

Fast Freddie @54

What difference does it make that Kerry windsurfs?

Why is that recreational activity, windsurfing,
any more worthy of scorn than golfing, fishing, or hunting...

I live in the Upper Midwest.
Scott Walker land.
Plenty of lakes and lake access.
Free lake access.

Many places in the US have free water access. East Coast and West Coast.
Buy a board and cartop carrier. You can windsurf. Free. Forever

Contrast that expense with:

Golfing: cost of clubs and more importantly, the fifty bucks for greens fees very time you step on an 18 hole course. So every time you play, fork over fifty, even at "public" courses.

Hunting: yearly liscence, cost to overnight at hunting locales, and enormous costs for equipment. Deer hunting stands, cammo gear, check out the costs in catalogues for Gander Mountain or Dick's Sporting Goods.

Fishing: equipment, yearly fishing liscence, and here in red state land, a honking expensive power boat with special trolling motors and fish finder gear and oh, your boat liscence, insurance, gas, and maintenence. Initial cost of fishing boats can run into the tens of thousands.

"Windsurfer" as an insult ??
Why?

Why is windsurfing considered an elitist sport that only the rich can afford to do? (Your Cohen Heinz whatever)
Why is "windsurfer" a diss?

Dog whistle words.
Windsurfer,
oh my god, not that!

Posted by: Fighting Bob | Aug 15 2016 13:58 utc | 89

@81 v, 'the U.S. of yore ... contrasted with today'

Checkout John Marciano/Stanard/Gorn et.al. on L. Frank Baum and The Wizard of Oz. It's an eye-opener. Yip Harburg is something else ... but the US of today is the direct descendant of the US of yore.

Posted by: jfl | Aug 15 2016 14:01 utc | 90

Throw The Bums Out History:

Last time a D Party Pres Candidate was elected following a D party President:

The Democrats have failed in four of their last five attempts to win three consecutive terms in office after taking two elections with FDR winning in 1940 under unusual circumstances.

Prior to that, Democrat Vice Pres Van Buren succeeded Democrat Jackson in 1836.

Posted by: fast freddy | Aug 15 2016 14:13 utc | 91

@62 I've recently read about the US dollar's increasing value. It tends to be bad for exports and US industries while good for Americans traveling abroad or those who can buy cheap imported crap. I wonder who is above this manipulation.

Posted by: Curtis | Aug 15 2016 14:23 utc | 92

Hoarse whisperer @74
I think you misunderstand what is meant by "withdraw from the Syrian file". They mean they would stop diplomatic efforts NOT that they would give up on Syria. Covert ops and support of allies would likely continue / intensify.
Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 15, 2016 8:38:20 AM | 84

I agree with your interpretation of "withdraw from the Syrian file" and probable US continuation of covert ops. But my point was that it's obvious, from all the whining, that Putin is doing things in Syria which the Yankees HATE but are powerless to stop. Or to put it more bluntly "withdraw from the Syrian file" is a chickenshit substitute for "We'll teach those Ruskies a lesson they'll never forget" - because the Yankees aren't in Syria, officially. So they can't threaten to oppose Russia directly in Syria for two reasons:
1. Russia could and would inflict severe damage upon any direct US intervention in Syria = exit the SP Myth.
2. Russia has been monitoring everything the Yankees and their rebels have been doing in Syria for at least 2years and seem confident that any further US covert action will have a similar effect to pissing into the wind (aka Wet Shoes syndrome) in the long run.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 15 2016 14:25 utc | 93

Adolph Reed is maybe the smartest real leftist thinker in the U.S. on things like race, power and class. Bernie Sanders and the New Class Politics is a real good interview with him. He originated the thinking that identity politics is a product and form of neoliberalism. Things got very weird and class-based in the identity politicos fight against Bernie and for Hillary:

Ironically, in American politics now we have a Left for which any reference to political economy can be castigated as “economic reductionism.”

There is moreover no evidence that Sanders was reluctant to acknowledge or discuss racial or gender inequality. ...

It is similarly instructive that a strain of identitarian feminists repeatedly sought to characterize support for Sanders as coming mainly from sexist men on the Left. ...

It’s immensely revealing, and exposing this is one contribution the campaign made that I never anticipated, that we now have a “left” in the United States for which socialism is considered a marker of backwardness. It’s good that that is now clear; it’s always good to know where people stand in relation to class struggle.

Posted by: fairleft | Aug 15 2016 14:32 utc | 94

Many Russian commentators (Helmer, Mercouris, Sleboda) are missing a piece of the action here. The full impact of the shift happening here can not exposed just yet. Not to the Russian public, and not to the world at large. Will be a mixed game for a while. kafkananda at 35.

Yes, though Mercouris is usually v. good.

Re. the Putin-Erdo meet one has to recall that Erdo’s pivot to Russia was well on the way before the coup. Some have even speculated that the pivot caused the coup! (the CIA/US/NATO were the perps. etc.) Perhaps the coup hastened the newly revived ‘partnership’, maybe it had no effect. Is the story that the Russkies tipped off Erdo true? No idea, possible of course, but there are many other candidates: a leaker, a coup traitor, Erdo’s own SS, Erdo himself in a faux coup, happenstance xyz, even NATO and on and on.
To grasp the ‘new partnership’ it would be necessary to have some coherent view of the coup that wasn’t (even if purely hypothetical and not ‘fact-based’) which seems to be sorely lacking.

side bar. Personally on Gulenists; creeping pol-social infiltrator movements don’t do failed coups in cahoots with Military, they do partial / whole take-overs. One thing they are supremely good at is backing off and re-grouping. Imho blaming the Gulenists is a largely a charade offered by all parties as a distraction, as it involves some ‘entity’ which is separate, disassociated from Russia-the US-EU-Turkey Gvmt.-Syria, etc.

All the economic ties will be restored, a given, as interests coincide (veggies, tourism, cos./workers, etc.), because both actors see economic interests as split from political disagreements (unless dire strife.) For the rest, it is wait and see (Syria, gas pipelines war, etc.) Erdo is in horrible position and Putin will have told him ‘sh*t or get off the pot’ with gloves on natch. How that plays out is up in the air.

Posted by: Noirette | Aug 15 2016 14:41 utc | 95

jfl @85. Western exceptionalism is great, isn't it? The almost exact parallel between the actions in the picture and what Assad is accussed of doing by those who did far worse in WW II was just too good to pass up.

Also, I guess the Brits remember their tragic loss against the Ukrainians at the Charge of the Light Brigade in Crimea in 1854.

Ooops, that was the Russians in Crimea. etc, etc, etc.

Posted by: Yonatan | Aug 15 2016 14:56 utc | 96

T-bear @ 88. Good points.. Public perception of which candidate is ascendant is the key in the election cycle and is best predictor of the winning candidate

Yes, that is exactly what the Dems count on (too early and clumsy though imho), but this time things are different, because ppl have become sceptical of the MSM/polls, more capable of judging the ground, and most important, when Trump is attacked for one reason or another his supporters only stiffen in their resolve.

Posted by: Noirette | Aug 15 2016 15:00 utc | 97

@97 noirette

The real issues in the 2016 US elections


As the Washington Post noted in a front-page report Sunday, for young people especially, the choice of Clinton vs. Trump “feels like a joke.”

While expressing revulsion at Trump, dozens of younger voters interviewed for the report voiced no enthusiasm for Clinton, a development the Post called “ominous.” Gone were the illusions inspired by the Obama campaign of 2008. According to the Post, “most talked about both her and Trump in searing, caustic words: Super villain. Evil. Chameleon. Racist. Criminal. Egomaniac. Narcissist. Sociopath. Liar. Lying cutthroat… Horrifying. Dishonest. Disgusting. Dangerous. Disaster.” Which term applied to which candidate was left unsaid, though most could equally apply to both.


This is the year for the 3rd party and write-in candidates. In 2012 'other' drew 1.6% of those who voted, the donkey/jackass party split 98.4%.

Gosh, we can do at least 10 or twenty times better than 1.6%, can't we? Let the 'winner' win without a majority?

The SEP's platform :

1) Oppose US militarism! Stop the drive to World War III!
2) Put an end to poverty and social inequality!
3) Defend democratic rights! No to government spying and police violence!

If you cannot find a 3rd Party you like, write-in someone you do.

It's going to take more than one election to demolish the menagerie, start now and vote 3rd party/write-in everytime until we others are the majority, then work together in the real 'big tent' and define a minimalist platform we can all agree on and chose our representatives from among ourselves, pledged to our common, minimalist platform.

Posted by: jfl | Aug 15 2016 15:20 utc | 98

Republicans dumping Trump; supporting Hillary:

50 former national-security officials in Republican administrations—including former Director of National Intelligence John Negroponte, Homeland Security Secretaries Tom Ridge and Michael Chertoff, and CIA Director Michael Hayden—said in a letter they would not vote for the nominee, saying that “Mr. Trump lacks the character, values, and experience to be President.”

http://tinyurl.com/Dumping-Trump

Trump denounced by fifty Deep Gov Zionists, but Atlantic names four.

Negroponte: Chief of the massacres in Nicaragua. Walked away with a fat paycheck and a smile on his face.

Chertoff: aka Count Dracula, Vlad The Impaler.

Ridge and Hayden: everyone loves and trusts these clowns.

Posted by: fast freddy | Aug 15 2016 15:34 utc | 99

Concerning helicopter hunting: I was merely suggesting that Tom Watson would seriously consider it to rid the Labour Party of the terrible scourge of "Trot Entryism". But given sensibilities in Great Britain, he will have to settle for something milder, or will be outmaneuvered by Corbynists who got six seats in NEC, the relevant body in the Labour Party, so I imagined that Trot Hunting, with procedures similar to Fox Hunting, will become a new British sport.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 15 2016 16:20 utc | 100

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