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August 14, 2016
Open Thread 2016-26
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thank you for your blog Posted by: quietguy | Aug 14 2016 12:27 utc | 1 Some link sharing, Posted by: Mann | Aug 14 2016 13:26 utc | 2 15th August 1947 was the day the Brits allowed India to be Independent of the Empire. The evening news reminded viewers that the creation of (muslim) Pakistan caused/obliged 10s of millions of “Pakistani” Indians to migrate from India to Pakistan and vise versa. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 14 2016 13:43 utc | 3 Nuclear subs, bear cubs & Fidel Castro’s other legendary adventures in the USSR (RARE PHOTOS) Posted by: okie farmer | Aug 14 2016 13:44 utc | 4 For those that haven’t seen it, this morning’s Sunday Washington Post features several prominent anti-Russia/Putin articles. One page A1, above the fold, is the headline “Russia’s tactic’s roil Europe”, with subordinate headlines “INTERVENTION IN NEIGHBOR’S POLITIC’S” (all caps) and “Kremlin’s alleged role in DNC hack is similar. The article, very tendentious and rambling in the Post’s normal diffuse style, short on facts, continues on page A10, half page above the fold, with the banner headline across the top “Russian meddling in European politics similar to DNC hack.” A large picture of Red Square is labeled “The Kremlin is visible to the right of a women looking at her smartphone in Red Square. Russia has tried hard in recent years tout European countries to its side bankrolling the countries extremist political parties and working to fuel a backlash against migrants.” Below that there’s a small picture of Mr. Putin, looking very worried, captioned “”President Vladimir Putin sought to build support for his vision, favoring authoritarian leaders over democratically elected ones.” The article says essentially the same thing, in a diffuse, very rambling manner. Posted by: Seward | Aug 14 2016 13:51 utc | 5 It is worth reviewing the history of the Clinton Gang. Posted by: x | Aug 14 2016 13:52 utc | 6 I posted something and it disappeared. So this is a test run. Posted by: x | Aug 14 2016 13:53 utc | 7 It is worth reviewing the history of the Clinton Gang. Posted by: x | Aug 14 2016 14:02 utc | 8 Seward Posted by: Mann | Aug 14 2016 14:19 utc | 9 Latest Seymour Hersh on Syria and other White House lies
Posted by: virgile | Aug 14 2016 14:25 utc | 10 Interesting video of fighter jet, and it’s abilities. Incredible. Posted by: ben | Aug 14 2016 14:46 utc | 11 I checked the link of “NGO exposed” of Mann @2. Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 14 2016 14:50 utc | 12 @ Seward 5 Posted by: likklemore | Aug 14 2016 15:04 utc | 13 The media is the fourth branch of government. It’s there to inform the public of the government’s intentions in a way which garners their support. Posted by: Les | Aug 14 2016 15:06 utc | 14 Anal-retentive corrections. Seymour is always well informed, but he may miss a thing or two. “The Erdogan government was a covert supporter of the ISIS war against the Bashar al-Assad government in Syria for years, rearming ISIS fighters, buying seized Syrian oil from the ISIS at discount prices, and keeping the borders between Turkey and Syria, especially in Hakkari province, open for a steady stream of anti-Assad jihadists from around the world who wanted to join in the war against Syria.” Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 14 2016 15:08 utc | 15 @9 – from the Hersh article: Posted by: pantaraxia | Aug 14 2016 15:12 utc | 16 Kicking off re. the 1st post, quiet guy. Posted by: Noirette | Aug 14 2016 15:13 utc | 17 Some other links people here might enjoy, Posted by: Mann | Aug 14 2016 15:52 utc | 19 @5 Seward.. a vote for hillary is a vote for war with russia… that is the message i get.. Posted by: james | Aug 14 2016 16:02 utc | 20 Yeah, kind of agree with Quieguy up top. I was thinking of Trump as the peace candidate, but repealing the estate (death) tax, well, just no. Posted by: Ghostwheel | Aug 14 2016 16:34 utc | 21 What’s going on here? Significant foreign policy shifts in play. Opening doors, engage in dialogue and clarifications. Posted by: likklemore | Aug 14 2016 16:36 utc | 22 As of now, Hillary is clearly in the driver’s seat with full support of the media and deep state. Neither her failed tenure as Secretary of State nor her illegalities with the Clinton Foundation are going to move the needle. But there is one possibility out of Hillary’s control that could tip the scale back to Trump. Last night, another incident of unrest broke out in Milwaukee; this after a two or three week calm. If racial tension explodes and gets back on the radar, the public’s fear might direct many people back to Trump (the candidate of law and order). Fascism and a perceived strong police state is what people want when fear becomes the #1 issue. Posted by: Musburger | Aug 14 2016 16:38 utc | 23 Bread and circuses… Posted by: Noirette | Aug 14 2016 16:40 utc | 24 Helmer on the Erdogan Putin meeting: Posted by: northern spudski | Aug 14 2016 16:57 utc | 25
Posted by: kgw | Aug 14 2016 17:00 utc | 26 Anyone aware of any “JUST WRITE IN BERNIE!” campaigns anywhere? Posted by: jawbone | Aug 14 2016 17:06 utc | 28 kgw@26- yes I expected John Helmer to be trumpeting the success of meeting with Turkey as well as other English speaking Russia News outlets. Alas, it was nothing. Nothing at all. Posted by: hejiminy cricket | Aug 14 2016 17:16 utc | 29 Posted by: likklemore | Aug 14, 2016 12:36:21 PM | 22
Posted by: somebody | Aug 14 2016 17:23 utc | 30 More on the policy change.
Posted by: somebody | Aug 14 2016 17:33 utc | 31 Posted by: kgw | Aug 14, 2016 1:00:25 PM | 26 Posted by: somebody | Aug 14 2016 17:37 utc | 32 @5, @9, and @13 Posted by: GoraDiva | Aug 14 2016 17:41 utc | 33 Musberger@23 “As of now, Hillary is clearly in the driver’s seat with full support of the media and deep state.” Posted by: harrylaw | Aug 14 2016 17:49 utc | 34 #9 Mann…. Posted by: kafkananda | Aug 14 2016 17:58 utc | 35 Zbigniew Brzezinski Posted by: Les | Aug 14 2016 18:04 utc | 36 Silencing America as it prepares for war Posted by: Jack Smith | Aug 14 2016 18:11 utc | 37 Just in from a link via a new Syrian Perspective post. Posted by: kafkananda | Aug 14 2016 18:11 utc | 38 Posted by: Les | Aug 14, 2016 2:04:50 PM | 36 Posted by: somebody | Aug 14 2016 18:25 utc | 39 @ somebody 30, 31 Posted by: likklemore | Aug 14 2016 18:41 utc | 40 Al Sharq al Awsat is a KSA newspaper. You can imagine the feeling there: they have to deal with 90 million real poor in Egypt, soon to be 130 million according to forecast, and a new Vietnam for them in Yemen, where another 25 million super poor will have to be dealt with. That will make them busy with their own borders and natural partners. Posted by: Mina | Aug 14 2016 18:49 utc | 41 Yes, you’re right. There’s also nothing about Syria in his latest article. Posted by: Les | Aug 14 2016 18:50 utc | 42 the continuing story of bombed hospital in Aleppo debunked in a series of tweets, plus links to MoA articles on the subject: https://storify.com/MoonofA/how-the-aleppo-hospitals Posted by: Jean | Aug 14 2016 19:18 utc | 43 Posted by: Les | Aug 14, 2016 2:50:26 PM | 42 Posted by: somebody | Aug 14 2016 19:41 utc | 44 @60 jean.. thanks.. i see NassimNicholasTaleb @nntaleb retweeted, or tweeted that… taleb is a brilliant author and is mentioned by malcolm gladwell as an influence on him.. i have read many of talebs books and really dig his perspective.. he’s american of lebanese descent.. Posted by: james | Aug 14 2016 19:52 utc | 45 More retarded propaganda against Russia, Syria, Trump. Posted by: Mann | Aug 14 2016 20:05 utc | 46 somebody@47 Saudi Arabia faces collapse. Now is the time for Iran and Russia to reduce their oil price to the equivalent of 5 dollars a barrel or less. Hej Posted by: harrylaw | Aug 14 2016 20:17 utc | 48 Wow!https://www.rt.com/usa/355919-soros-hacked-files-released/ Posted by: Mina | Aug 14 2016 20:57 utc | 49 Medical examinations show Hillary Clinton suffers from blackouts, uncontrollable twitching and memory loss. Has been diagnosed as having complex partial seizures and early onset of subcortical vascular dementia in early 2013. In February 2014, Mount Kisco Medical Group’s Dr. Lisa Bardack, Hillary’s doctor, wrote the letter below, clearly indicating she’s unfit to serve for medical reasons. https://sjlendman.blogspot.co.uk/ Posted by: harrylaw | Aug 14 2016 21:12 utc | 50 #18, thanks for the link Posted by: jo6pac | Aug 14 2016 22:07 utc | 51 Question for all: Posted by: Cresty | Aug 14 2016 22:34 utc | 52 Harrylaw @ 48: Posted by: Jen | Aug 14 2016 23:32 utc | 53 As Hillary was Clenis’s upper brain (“I urged Bill to bomb Belgrade.”), Kagan/Nuland are the brains behind windsurfer Kerry Heinz Cohen. Posted by: fast freddy | Aug 14 2016 23:45 utc | 54 Cresty, if your coworkers have any knowledge about anything going on in Syria, you are among a class of superior intellectuals. Posted by: fast freddy | Aug 14 2016 23:49 utc | 55 A modest proposal that would improve ecology and remove one of the threat looming over NATO. I will start with ecology. Occasionally some vermin creature proliferate and move to habitats where they are wrecking havoc. The most sensible response is regulated hunting. However, modern hyper sensibilities all to often preclude the most efficient solutions, like Texas helicopter hunts for feral hogs. In particular, British Isles had problems continuing the adorable fox hunts. Some time ago a commission was formed and after years of research it produced a lengthy report concluding that fox hunt is often detrimental to the welfare of the fox. And we should not be cruel to animals. Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 15 2016 0:17 utc | 56 12 pb, ‘and one can reasonably suspect that it was rigged to boot.’ Posted by: jfl | Aug 15 2016 0:24 utc | 57 in re 50 — Posted by: rufus magister | Aug 15 2016 0:25 utc | 58 harrylaw @34 Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 15 2016 0:30 utc | 59 Oh, and coincidentally, it’s pretty much diametrically opposed to what Dr. Bardack said publicly a year ago about her patient’s health. Posted by: rufus magister | Aug 15 2016 0:32 utc | 60 PB at 56 — Posted by: rufus magister | Aug 15 2016 0:41 utc | 61 Here is a link about ZH’s view of the current currency war Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 15 2016 0:58 utc | 62 @56 pb, ‘the most efficient solutions, like Texas helicopter hunts for feral hogs’ Posted by: jfl | Aug 15 2016 0:59 utc | 63 @56 pb Posted by: jfl | Aug 15 2016 1:30 utc | 64 10 Posted by: Samdech | Aug 15 2016 3:01 utc | 65 Armed Milwaukee man, 23, whose traffic stop death at hands of police sparked riots Posted by: euclidcreek | Aug 15 2016 3:02 utc | 66 10 Posted by: Samdech | Aug 15 2016 3:05 utc | 67 I’ve seen a video of a helicopter hunt for feral hogs in Texas. An AR-10 was fixed to the chopper in a position where the pilot could aim it and reload it. The guy was good. He had quite a few one-shot kills, and fewer misses than I expected. Posted by: Desertrat | Aug 15 2016 3:06 utc | 68 62 Posted by: Samdech | Aug 15 2016 3:16 utc | 69 57 Posted by: Samdech | Aug 15 2016 3:24 utc | 70 Well, the Ukrainians just discovered secret ledgers which show that Trump’s election manager got $13 million in cash payments fro pro-Russian oligarchs. The ledgers are from 4-13 years ago. Suddenly discovered. Posted by: Erelis | Aug 15 2016 3:53 utc | 71 from ZeroHedge Posted by: crone | Aug 15 2016 5:05 utc | 72 @ crone George Soros is new money Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 15 2016 6:26 utc | 73 … Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 15 2016 7:05 utc | 74 psychohistorian | Aug 15, 2016 2:26:03 AM | 72 Posted by: V. Arnold | Aug 15 2016 7:37 utc | 75 This: Posted by: Mann | Aug 15 2016 8:21 utc | 76 http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/15/us/politics/paul-manafort-ukraine-donald-trump.html?_r=0 Posted by: Samdech | Aug 15 2016 8:24 utc | 77 Poland neocon ex minister want to arm Ukraine even more when UKRAINE refuse to make peace.., amazing! Posted by: Mann | Aug 15 2016 10:17 utc | 78 I’ve seen a video of a helicopter hunt for feral hogs in Texas. An AR-10 was fixed to the chopper in a position where the pilot could aim it and reload it. The guy was good. He had quite a few one-shot kills, and fewer misses than I expected. Posted by: MadMax2 | Aug 15 2016 10:47 utc | 79 @ harry law. Report of an interview with a DNC insider. (Of course, who knows, person not named, etc.) Some of it rings true to me. Posted by: Noirette | Aug 15 2016 11:29 utc | 80 There is a remarkable Democracy Now show devoted 100% to Yip Harburg; he put the rainbow in The Wizard of Oz and so much more. Posted by: V. Arnold | Aug 15 2016 11:39 utc | 81 @kafkananda Posted by: virgile | Aug 15 2016 12:28 utc | 82 @77 samdech Posted by: pantaraxia | Aug 15 2016 12:29 utc | 83 Hoarse whisperer @74 Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 15 2016 12:38 utc | 84 On the theme of propaganda memes: There is the infamous invention of a the ‘barrel bomb’ which Assad supposedly drops on civilians in Syria. I guess the conjunction of something normal – ‘barrel’ – with something bad – bomb’ – gives an extra degree of dissonance that makes the barrel bomb seem worse than an ordinary bomb or a precison laser guided bomb that the US likes to use against hospitals and the like. Posted by: Yonatan | Aug 15 2016 12:41 utc | 85 In german, about EU information-war: Dr. Daniele Ganser – “Verdeckte Kriegsführung” 17. Juni 2016 Reichshofsaal , Lustenau, Österreich Posted by: Mann | Aug 15 2016 12:51 utc | 86 @85 Yonatan Posted by: jfl | Aug 15 2016 13:24 utc | 87 @ Noirette | Aug 15, 2016 7:29:55 AM | 80 Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Aug 15 2016 13:42 utc | 88 Fast Freddie @54 Posted by: Fighting Bob | Aug 15 2016 13:58 utc | 89 @81 v, ‘the U.S. of yore … contrasted with today’ Posted by: jfl | Aug 15 2016 14:01 utc | 90 Throw The Bums Out History: Posted by: fast freddy | Aug 15 2016 14:13 utc | 91 @62 I’ve recently read about the US dollar’s increasing value. It tends to be bad for exports and US industries while good for Americans traveling abroad or those who can buy cheap imported crap. I wonder who is above this manipulation. Posted by: Curtis | Aug 15 2016 14:23 utc | 92 Hoarse whisperer @74 Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 15 2016 14:25 utc | 93 Adolph Reed is maybe the smartest real leftist thinker in the U.S. on things like race, power and class. Bernie Sanders and the New Class Politics is a real good interview with him. He originated the thinking that identity politics is a product and form of neoliberalism. Things got very weird and class-based in the identity politicos fight against Bernie and for Hillary:
Many Russian commentators (Helmer, Mercouris, Sleboda) are missing a piece of the action here. The full impact of the shift happening here can not exposed just yet. Not to the Russian public, and not to the world at large. Will be a mixed game for a while. kafkananda at 35. Posted by: Noirette | Aug 15 2016 14:41 utc | 95 jfl @85. Western exceptionalism is great, isn’t it? The almost exact parallel between the actions in the picture and what Assad is accussed of doing by those who did far worse in WW II was just too good to pass up. Posted by: Yonatan | Aug 15 2016 14:56 utc | 96 T-bear @ 88. Good points.. Public perception of which candidate is ascendant is the key in the election cycle and is best predictor of the winning candidate Posted by: Noirette | Aug 15 2016 15:00 utc | 97 @97 noirette
This is the year for the 3rd party and write-in candidates. In 2012 ‘other’ drew 1.6% of those who voted, the donkey/jackass party split 98.4%. Posted by: jfl | Aug 15 2016 15:20 utc | 98 Republicans dumping Trump; supporting Hillary: Posted by: fast freddy | Aug 15 2016 15:34 utc | 99 Concerning helicopter hunting: I was merely suggesting that Tom Watson would seriously consider it to rid the Labour Party of the terrible scourge of “Trot Entryism”. But given sensibilities in Great Britain, he will have to settle for something milder, or will be outmaneuvered by Corbynists who got six seats in NEC, the relevant body in the Labour Party, so I imagined that Trot Hunting, with procedures similar to Fox Hunting, will become a new British sport. Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 15 2016 16:20 utc | 100 |
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