Kerry's And Al-Qaeda's "Very Different Track" Attack On Aleppo Fails
Early in May U.S. Secretary of State Kerry set a deadline for "voluntary" regime change in Syria:
[He] said “the target date for the transition is 1st of August” in Syria or else the Assad government and its allies “are asking for a very different track.” Hoping that “something happens in these next few months,” he said the political transition would not include President Assad because “as long as Assad is there, the opposition is not going to stop fighting.”
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Kerry made those remarks after meeting with the UN special envoy for Syria Staffan de Mistura and Russia’s foreign minister Sergei Lavrov. They agreed to establish a monitoring ceasefire center in Geneva, Switzerland, ...
By the time of that statement al-Qaeda in Syria and U.S. supported insurgents had already broken the February ceasefire announced by Russia and attacked Syrian government positions in the rural area south of Aleppo city.
Negotiations since May between Russia and the U.S. over Syria have not led to any tangible results. In retrospect the U.S. tactic seems to have been willful delay. The U.S. made some laughable offer to Russia and Syria to effectively accept defeat in exchange for common attacks on al-Qaeda. This was rejected without much comment.
The current attack on the government held Aleppo by al-Qaeda in Syria (aka Jabhat al Nusra aka Fateh al Scam) was launched on August 1st. With up to 10,000 insurgents participating the attack was unprecedented in size. August 1st is exactly the same date Kerry had set as starting date for "a very different track". This is likely not a random coincidence.
Despite the very large size of the "Great Battle of Aleppo" and its possibly decisive character for the war neither the New York Times nor the Washington Post has so far reported on it.
The U.S. had long prepared for an escalation and extension of the war on Syria. In December and January ships under U.S. control transported at least 3,000 tons of old weapons and ammunition from Bulgaria to Turkey and Jordan. These came atop of hundreds of tons of weapons from Montenegro transported via air to Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states. According to the renown Janes Defense military intelligence journal these Bulgarian weapons ended up in Syria where the Syrian army confiscated some of them from al-Qaeda and U.S. supported insurgents.
During the ceasefire and negotiations with Russia, the U.S. and its allies continued to arm and support their proxies in Syria even as those were intimately coordinating and integrating with al-Qaeda. The U.S. does not consider these groups to be terrorists, no matter with whom they associate or whatever they do. Even when such a group beheads a 12 year old, sick child in front of running cameras the U.S. State Department continues to support them and opines that "one incident here and there would not necessarily make you a terrorist group."
Good to know ...
The Russian Defense Ministry warned since April that large amounts of weapons and men were crossing from Turkey to Syria:
The Jabhat al-Nusra terrorist group (outlawed in Russia) in Syria is planning a major offensive with the aim to cut the road between Aleppo and Damascus, the chief of the Main Operational Directorate of the Russian General Staff, Sergey Rudskoy, has said.
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"According to the information we have, about 8,000 Jabhat al-Nusra militants have concentrated to the southwest of Aleppo; up to 1,500 militants have gathered to the north of the city," Rudskoi said.
A Jabhat al-Nusra spokesperson claimed that the attack on Aleppo was planned for "several month". The U.S.-Saudi weapon supplies at the beginning of the year and the Russian observed deployment of forces in April were likely in preparation of the current attack on Aleppo. Kerry's "very different track" remark fits right into these. But the large "very different track" attack failed.
The attack started on Sunday and by Monday the 2nd the insurgents (green areas) managed to break Syrian government (red) defenses at the south-western border of Aleppo city. The plan was to break through roughly along the black line. Several vehicle based suicide attacks breached the Syrian front line. The insurgents captured the large, unfinished apartment project 1070 and several hilltop positions. On Tuesday phase 2 launched when they attempted to take the Artillery Academy base a few hundred meters further east. But after intense Syrian and Russian air strikes and nightly counterattacks nearly all positions fell back into Syrian government hands. Despite the failure of their main thrust, al-Qaeda and its allies launched a third phase attack towards Ramouseh district a few hundred meters further north. A tactical mistake as the attackers failed to build a decisive Schwerpunkt. A tunnel deployed bomb destroyed parts of the Syrian army positions in Ramouseh but the defense line held. The attack was repelled. Additional break-out attacks by the 2-3,000 fighters inside the besieged al-Qaeda controlled areas in east-Aleppo city failed too. Al-Qaeda never managed to break the siege of the eastern areas and to thereby cut off the government held, densely occupied western areas from their supply route south towards Damascus.
Local fighting still continues on the front lines but the government positions seem secured and the attacking force is slowly getting ground down.
Al-Qaeda and allies had to deliver their attack from rural Idleb and Aleppo over open terrain towards the western Aleppo city borders. Here is where the Russian airforce and long range artillery concentrated their fire. As usual in such situations more attackers were killed on the approaches to the front line and in forward supply areas than on the front line itself. A Russian cruise missile even destroyed (vid) an arms supply storage used by Jaish al-Islam, the al-Qaeda controlled insurgency alliance, in Bab al Hawa, Idleb, at the Turkish border. Several arms convoys on their way towards Aleppo were destroyed in other airstrikes.
Both sides currently accuse each other of minor gas attacks against each other civilians. The insurgents started these as they always do when they lose ground. This time the Syrian and Russian side immediately responded with their own claims. It is now he-said she-said - who can decide? These attacks or reports seem to be more diversions than serious incidents.
After the defeat of the third phase of their attack al-Qaeda and its allies broke off their original plan of an attack in six phases and pulled back. In Russian military doctrine such a situation demands a counterattack with a wide ranging, strategic pursuit of the retreating enemy. We may now see a lightning fast operation in which reserve troops held by the Syrian government proceed westwards and northwards from Aleppo under intense air cover.
There are no current plans on the government side to capture the insurgent areas in east-Aleppo which are under government siege. These can wait and their condition deteriorate before any costly move against them follows.
Reports of additional Russian attack planes arriving for the next phase of the conflict have not yet been confirmed.
All together Kerry's "very different track" failed to achieve the desired aim. The government held Aleppo city was not cut off from the rest of the government held areas south of it. The attacking force, the largest insurgent concentration in this war, suffers up to 1,000 casualties and a large amount of its equipment was destroyed. A pursuit might shatter its remnants.
In another Syrian trouble spot Kurdish YPG fighters besiege and slowly conquer the Islamic State held city of Manbij in the east. They are supported by U.S. special forces and intense coalition air attacks. The city of Manbij is now mostly destroyed. The once 100,000 inhabitants are in dire straits. Up to 200 civilians fleeing the city were killed in U.S. air attacks. But as the operation is U.S. led no "western" humanitarian organization has lamented their fate.
Posted by b on August 4, 2016 at 9:49 UTC | Permalink
Danke b... thanks for the update & this site
"Schwerpunkt" = pressure point? :)
God bless the Syrian people and their brave troops and their allies
May they crush the forces of ZATO, entirely
Posted by: xLemming | Aug 4 2016 11:58 utc | 2
Putin will meet Erdogan next week,surely it is inconceivable that they will be talking about reconciling differences and normalizing trading relations, building major European bound gas pipelines through Turkey etc, without Erdogan closing the Turkish border to terrorists. That would be like Russia rewarding Turkey for them helping to kill Russian military personnel. Erdogan knows the Syrian war is lost and although he may not exit NATO?? Putin will demand at a minimum that the border be closed.
Posted by: harrylaw | Aug 4 2016 12:50 utc | 3
In an interview with Democracy Now, Wikileaks’ Julian Assange is now stating that 1,700 emails contained in the Clinton cache directly connect Hillary to Libya to Syria, and directly to Al Qaeda and ISIS.
Posted by: ALberto | Aug 4 2016 13:07 utc | 4
Great post, b. You know the news is good when neocons are once again demanding immediate U.S. airstrikes on Syrian forces.
Posted by: Mike Maloney | Aug 4 2016 13:43 utc | 5
Was the (bogus) Turkey coup part of the 'different track'?
Dog-that-didn't-bark? The West doesn't seem to be as concerned with a Turkish pivot-to-Russia as one might think (what am I missing?).
The big question: how far is the Assad must go! Coalition willing to go?
Give that some thought ... then consider the Turkey "coup" attempt. Is it really a turn toward Russia, or a means of freeing Turkey's hand of US/NATO constraints?
Give that some thought ... then ponder: How true are the rumors that the coup was supported by Assad must go! countries like USA/KSA/UAE? Doesn't strengthening Erdogan HELP them to achieve their main objective? After all, Erdogan has been very supportive. And wouldn't a successful coup by a more secularist military have:
> created confusion and disarray that limits foreign adventures;> brought Turkey closer to US/NATO (AFAIK, the military is very close/integrated with NATO);
> implemented a command structure that acts more responsibly than a (capricious) dictator?
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Aside-1: Lets not be misled by either the hopeful meme of of Obama's legacy! or the hopeful meme of Putin's chess skills.
Kerry's talks with Putin weren't a real peace initiative and Erdogan doesn't appear to have been drawn into the Russian orbit.
Caveat: waiting for results of Erdogan-Putin meeting.
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Aside-2: I'm very suspicious of those who loudly proclaim that democracy won in Turkey. Such happy talk is meant to legitimize Erdogan's extensive crackdown and consolidation of power.
Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 4 2016 14:03 utc | 6
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Both Kerry and Nuland are dual-citizen Israelis. Both Trump and Clinton are 19th cousins of the Royal bloodline. Both Trump and Clinton have married that bloodline into the Chosen's. The SCOTUS is 1/2 Catholic and 1/2 Chosen. Regardless who 'wins' (sic), by 2017, both the Executive and the SCOTUS will be The Exceptionals, with the Legislative already in the bag.
They are playing three-dimensional chess, while we are happy just playing chumps checkers.
Posted by: Alison DeBeers | Aug 4 2016 14:03 utc | 7
Mike Maloney.@5 Dennis Ross is the author of that Neocon garbage. He he is worried his "moderate" head choppers will have to go back to Turkey and then will find their war into Europe. Not so long ago the former French Foreign Minister Fabian was hailing Al Nusra for 'doing a good job in Syria', how times change.
Posted by: harrylaw | Aug 4 2016 14:11 utc | 8
@5 So true. Their script to justify more attacks in Syria on Syrian forces is so tattered and torn it lays bear for all to see the fragile threads holding together their warped, belligerent, evil end game no matter the costs or consequences. These are not leaders advocating an intelligible position or strategy. No. All they are is a bunch of over grown petulant bully's who lack the mental acuity and toughness to know they lost this whatever the hell you call it a long, long time ago.
Leave the Syrian people the hell alone!
My god man, what we Americans have allowed to occur in our name just horrifies me, and what frightens me even more is the electorate may well choose the very poster child who epitomizes eight more years of these illegal wars. God help us...
On April 19th, the US State Department had blocked entrance into the United States by Raed Saleh, the head of the White Helmets, and refused to say why. Saleh had been invited to receive in NYC an award by USAID and NGOs that the US government finances, but he was barred at the airport, apparently because the FBI had placed him onto its no-fly list as a known terrorist.
Posted by: Les | Aug 4 2016 14:37 utc | 10
b: "This is likely not just a coincident"
As a matter of fact, it is _coincident_. :-)
Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 4 2016 14:40 utc | 11
I think the Plan B was making Nusra moderate, more moderate than they are already treated, with the rebranding. US might have said it doesn't make a difference but then they gave one of Nusra's guys an interview on CNN. In the next few months Nusra will join ceasefire and it will make things more complicated to US-Russian diplomacy. But as always, it won't change anything on the ground. The Syrian army will continue to fight anyone who takes up arms against the state, as it should be.
Posted by: Ondine | Aug 4 2016 15:11 utc | 12
@ 1, blues,
Your right, we do deserve better. I've been smelling the coffee since I was around 10yrs old. And it just keeps getting scarier. But I would personally prefer to live under the Chinese and/or Russians(eastern Orthodox) than under the ideology of the Talmud. That would surely be a very dark world indeed. In the U.S today, the final touches to this are being made, and the traitors within are super close to closing the point of no return.
“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through...all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.” - Marcus Tullius Cicero
“They (the Jews) work more effectively against us than the enemy’s armies. They are a hundred times more dangerous to our liberties and the great cause we are engaged in. It is much to be lamented that each state, long ago, has not hunted them down as pests to society and the greatest enemies we have to the happiness of America.” Source: Maxims of George Washington by A.A. Appleton & Co.
As the American colonies rose in revolt against political oppression occasioned by the attempt of Jewish banking houses in Europe to consolidate their economic foothold in the New World, no man among the Founding Fathers was more alert to the designs of international Jewry than that shrewd elder statesman of the American Revolution, Benjamin Franklin. Perhaps Ben Franklin’s most damning indictment of Jewry was contained in his famous prophecy at the Constitutional Convention of 1787 in Philadelphia. In one of the most anti-Jewish utterances of all time, he declared: “I fully agree with General Washington, that we must protect this young nation from an insidious influence and impenetration. That menace, gentlemen, is the Jews. In whatever country Jews have settled in any great number, they have lowered its moral tone; depreciated its commercial integrity; have segregated themselves and have not been assimilated; have sneered at and tried to undermine the Christian religion upon which that nation was founded by objecting to its restrictions; have built up a state within a state; and when opposed have tried to strangle that country to death financially, as in the case of Spain and Portugal. “For over 1700 hundred years, the Jews have been bewailing their sad fate in that they have been exiled from their homeland, as they call Palestine. But, gentlemen, did the world give it to them in fee simple, they would at once find some reason for not returning. Why? Because they are vampires, and vampires do not live on vampires. They cannot live only amongst themselves. They must subsist on Christians and other people not of their race. If you do not exclude them from these United States in the Constitution, in less than 200 years they will have swarmed here in such great numbers that they will dominate and devour the land, and change our form of government, for which we Americans have shed our blood, given our lives, our substance, and jeopardized our liberty. “If you do not exclude them, in less than 200 years our descendants will be working in the fields to furnish them substance, while they will be in the counting houses rubbing their hands. I warn you, gentlemen, if you do not exclude the Jews for all time, your children will curse you in your graves. Jews, gentlemen, are Asiatics, let them be born where they will or how many generations they are away from Asia, they will never be otherwise. Their ideas do not conform to an American’s, and will not even though they live among us ten generations. A leopard cannot change its spots. Jews are Asiatics, are a menace to this country if permitted entrance, and should be excluded by this Constitutional Convention.” Franklin’s remarks were recorded in “Chit Chat Around the Table During Intermissions,” a section of the Diary of Charles Cotesworth Pinckney of South Carolina. Pickney (1746-1825) attended the Convention as a delegate, and took down excerpts of some of the outstanding addresses and discourses, which he later published in his diary. Perhaps the best proof of the Franklin prophecy—as with any prophecy—lies in its actual fulfillment. What Benjamin Franklin foresaw as an ominous possibility in 1787 has today—a little over two hundred years later—become painful reality
sorry, off topic.
Posted by: bored muslim | Aug 4 2016 15:13 utc | 13
Good short little video, if you get the chance, this site brings daily video briefs on the Syrian campaign.
https://southfront.org/syrian-war-report-august-4-2016-militant-advance-lost-momentum-in-aleppo/
Posted by: bored muslim | Aug 4 2016 15:24 utc | 14
@xLemming @2 Schwerpunkt - literately: center of gravity.
But in military theory a (different) concept developed by the German General von Clausewitz some 200 years ago. Still widely in use today in military theory of all forces. Here is some good talk about it at the blog of a former German officer. More when you search that blog for the expression.
This is not increased Russian air contingent,Putin gave that up, but instead new de facto Russian base near Homs that repaired all Syrian aircraft and modernized them to used newest guided weapons. So now for one Russian combat plane there are two or three Syrian which triple number of all operational planes and double the number during height of Russian deployment.
While SAA last few months lost territory and momentum. Things changing after this disastrous ceasefire.
Posted by: Kalen | Aug 4 2016 15:33 utc | 16
This youtube channel brings usually daily videos about the fighting in Syria. For anyone interested.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeDSNa_VcvSPJNa9_Q3VkJQ/videos
oh, watch a headchopper videotaping his last miserable moments(not for the faint of heart), watch his leg wound :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYd3H0GKwA8
Posted by: bored muslim | Aug 4 2016 15:38 utc | 17
Thanks for the great analysis and reportage. What stuck out for me is your statement that the Wash Post and the NYTimes were not reporting on the Aleppo battles. I had to check those sites to believe that.
Although most critical observers of media have long known that those 2 media outlets were not worth reading to obtain unbiased information, it should now be clear to all with half a brain cell and a social media account that MSM serves an agenda and is not a reliable source of information.
The American public are the most gullible and misinformed people of all on the planet.
And based on your analysis, Kerry is a 2 faced liar. A simple straightforward liar and an evil evil man. An evil liar with control over terror groups.
Posted by: Dusan | Aug 4 2016 15:51 utc | 18
Imagine if you will that Putin all of a sudden ordered, and the Russian High Command(MOD)started executing, a drop of 2-3-4 Commando/Paratroop Divisions right behind , to the west of the rear lines of the Terror groups around Aleppo. It would be over, just like that. Now imagine how many foreign spooks, agents, advisors and other nefarious types, from French, Israeli, Saudi clerics(many royal probably)U.S/CIA, Turks intelligence agencies will be totally rooted out inside the surrounded pocket. Imagine the scandals, in the open and not.
Putin , Shoigu and Lavrov would be giants. The entire world would be in shock and awe. Dancing in the streets, all over the world.. Russia would have attained her seat forever as a superpower. The U.S would have no choice but to pack up and head back to their their drawing boards. Having been essentially been kicked out of the Levant and Iraq. Scurry back to Qatar, Saudi and Israel and Jordan.
ahh, if dreams would come true.
Posted by: bored muslim | Aug 4 2016 16:15 utc | 19
Ah yes, let's kill off all the world's Jews. That will surely solve all of humanities problems and end all wars and social injustice foreever.
Brilliant!
P.S. When do you begin?
Posted by: attentive mshuckuslim | Aug 4 2016 16:28 utc | 20
Dusan@18 Kerry and Obama are two faced liars, on the missile defence arrangements in Europe Obama said: “This new ballistic missile defense program will best address the threat posed by Iran’s ongoing ballistic missile defense program. … Our clear and consistent focus has been the threat posed by Iran’s ballistic missile program, and that continues to be our focus and the basis of the program that we’re announcing today.”
All the rest of Putin’s account is likewise entirely accurate.
U.S. President Barack Obama lied, about a very important matter. The people calling him out on it should be more than just the Russian President. This is an issue — World War III — that affects the entire world.
There is no issue that’s more serious than this. But, where is the press on it? http://observer.com/2015/10/vladimir-putin-says-america-is-lying/ The US cannot be trusted, regime change in Syria is what it is all about, the head choppers in Syria can never be appeased, it can only be resolved militarily.
Posted by: harrylaw | Aug 4 2016 16:32 utc | 21
@ 8 harry law,
Why don't you, my dear friend/barfly , call a spade a spade.
Neocon + Talmudist + Zionist + Dual Citizen = jewish
for jews that don't appreciate this, Why aren't your voices rising consistently about the genocide perpetrated by your brethren?. Which is so obvious.
Posted by: bored muslim | Aug 4 2016 16:35 utc | 22
bored muslim@22 Dick Chaney was not Jewish, however Professor Norman Finkelstein and Stephen Lendman are, but definitely not Neocon, Talmudist, Zionist or dual citizens.
Posted by: harrylaw | Aug 4 2016 16:49 utc | 24
I remember when everybody was hailing the Kurds for their military prowess and them being the only ones effective against ISIS and and the talk about the YPG Kurds being the only ones being able to hold any territory and such things. And that the SAA are morons. All the propaganda videos on the net about the Kurds and their plight. This said plight which reminds me of 'Save Darfur'. Sigh.
Israel is lobbying hard for a Kurdistan. For the U.S , Kurdistan might be the final ace card/ plan d option. I think Turkey now knows this. Hence their re-pivot.
Anyways, the much vaunted YPG Kurds are bogged down it seems trying to take Manbij. Even with out of control U.S bombing runs. And Manbij has been surrounded for how long?
The SAA has been surrounded and under siege for years now and have actually been beating the crap out of ISIS sieges on many occasions.
As much as the plight, and how trendy, the idea of a Kurdistan is. There has never been a thing called 'Kurdistan'
Posted by: bored muslim | Aug 4 2016 16:50 utc | 25
edit: 25
'The SAA has been surrounded and under siege for years now and have actually been beating the crap out of ISIS sieges on many occasions.'
In Deir Azzor that is....
I am proud of the SAA. They make me feel good everyday.
Posted by: bored muslim | Aug 4 2016 16:56 utc | 26
@ 20, attentive,
' The truth will set you free '
Posted by: bored muslim | Aug 4 2016 17:06 utc | 27
sorry,
@20, attentive,
Who said anthing about killing. But history(recent) shows; stay out, no more positions in Foreign/Internal Policy, Finance and Academia.
Its in everybodies best interest, trust me.
Jewelry, movie making, some comedy etc are ok.
Posted by: bored muslim | Aug 4 2016 17:11 utc | 29
Greetings.
B hit the nail right on the thumb. Ie, truth hurts. Brought out all of the conspiracy theorists ... did it not?
But, I'm back with my one concept message: either revolution in the US (won't happen); or nuclear Armageddon (likely if we keep pushing around people who can fight back instead of the weak and unallied). But, that has always been the American way ever since the Brits decided that the 13 colonies weren't worth the hassle of governing and were too expensive to mess with any longer. Besides, business would be possible in a post-revolt world.
And now the GREAT decision (that doesn't matter as if it ever had): Clinton, Trump or third party? The GREAT decision facing the oligarchs. Your vote does not matter, so why bother ... ? Hmm?
Posted by: rg the lg | Aug 4 2016 17:26 utc | 30
Good video from the front, launch off point for the Wahabbis on their way to battle just very recently in Aleppo.
Now this is a propaganda video, so bear with it. Otherwise, very telling. At the beginning, the Cleric is rallying his forces, he is essentially telling them about Paradise and other Wahabbi stuff...then off they go, to their doom. Good stuff, take a look :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mDHDvdWOfE
Posted by: bored muslim | Aug 4 2016 18:25 utc | 31
rg the lg @30
" Your vote does not matter, so why bother ... ? Hmm?"
Actually by voting one validates 'the system.'
"A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that just 11% of Likely U.S. Voters think Congress is doing a good or excellent job."
source - http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/congressional_performance
Posted by: ALberto | Aug 4 2016 18:32 utc | 32
@boredmuslim
As a member of a city council there are many, sometimes fiercely combative, issues I face with other members. Arguments can get very heated and tempers can flare. There are conflicts of interest and cases of outright bribery.
Still, I find it chilling that you recommend that certain people should stay out of certain fields of endeavor. The implications of taking up such a policy legislatively could lead to severe destabilization and even civil war.
Call me naive or old school, but I believe that in a Democracy issues should be decided by building constituencies.
By the way - Those are curious quotes from Washington (the land speculator and slave owner) and Franklin (who had other issues which are off topic). The language does not quite match that of the late eighteenth century. Where exactly in their writings did you find such quotes? Or did you just crib them from some website without independent confirmation and context because they fit you presentiments.
Posted by: City Councilman | Aug 4 2016 18:32 utc | 33
"Live under... the ideology of the Talmud?"
How many orthodox Jews even attempt that? Most of the Zionists in power can't even read Hebrew and are non-observant. To conflate religion with geo-politics (good or bad) is as stupid as believing that Bush II was a Christian.
Do really believe that Americans are under imminent threat of being forced to "live under the ideology of the Talmud?"
Posted by: City Councilman | Aug 4 2016 18:46 utc | 34
b, something about bored muslim. While I don't rush to discount all conspiracy theories off-hand, some are a bit, shall we say, stale? It sure would have been nice to be able to blame one element for all the world's woes, but alas, things are far more complicated.
When it comes to Syria, the fingers of blame point squarely at the decadent, reactionary, medieval KSA and its fellow in sleaze, Qatar, as much as at the US neocons, and shrill NATO nuts, as much as at misplaced paranoia and ambition by the Turks.
To me, Syria is a symptom of the disintegration of the American Empire. It is falling apart within (witness the current candidates and the outright fraud in the democratic primaries) and without (stupid adventurism in Libya, Syria and Ukraine). While parts of the adventurism without and a percentage of the corruption within (cf, single issue israel supporting oligarchs a la adelson and saban) may be laid at the feet of an Israel caught in its own throes of moral collapse and slide towards parochialism and ethnically fueled theocracy, alas, there are too many independent actors out there, smack in the middle of a teetering financial edifice and a military-industrial complex on steroids, to assign all blame in one direction.
When empires collapse, it is always a complex story. the Rise and Fall of the Roma Empire was a very very large book covering centuries. Only in retrospect can we see clearly where it all started and what the canary in the Gold mines was singing all about.
Posted by: Merlin2 | Aug 4 2016 18:50 utc | 35
@25 bored muslim
Propaganda about the SAA being worthless was never true. What is true is that they are lacking in skilled and effective troops for offensives, and that they are lacking in manpower in general. See the way the Tiger forces have to dart back and forth across the country.
Without much more manpower from Iran, maybe Iraq once ISIS is rolled up, this war will drag on.
The ypg kurds are now bogged down in an intense urban battle, not easy for any force at any time. The further they get from home, the less effective they become.
Posted by: Cresty | Aug 4 2016 19:04 utc | 36
@31 They certainly seem excited about Paradise. Let's hope they aren't disappointed.
I don't speak Arabic so it's hard to know what motivates them. Is it Jihad? Are any of them just in it for the loot? What do they have against Assad?
Posted by: dh | Aug 4 2016 19:05 utc | 37
The alleged Franklin quote turns out to be a fabrication by the American fascist and anti-Semite of the 1930a and 1940s William Dudley Pelley.
Posted by: lysias | Aug 4 2016 19:13 utc | 38
@22, Obvious? What's "obvious" is that anti-semitism is Israel's bread and butter. They'll never admit to it, of course, but that's how they intend to get the Diaspora to open their wallets or flee to their fantasy "homeland". Bashing Jews qua Jews is what Zionists crave.
Posted by: ruralito | Aug 4 2016 19:17 utc | 39
So if the Turk leaders are going to Russian leaders , does that now mean with the US working with the Kurds that the most ambitious and corrupt Syrian Kurds will be placed in charge/incentivised to break up Syria and mabye Turkey, as well as fuck over their own people ?
Even if the evil US Empire lose in the end In Syria, it been so thoroughly destroyed in countless places it will take a decades to rebuild. And will still be constantly under attack through US proxy terrorism and other geopolitical means.
Posted by: tom | Aug 4 2016 19:53 utc | 40
@harrylaw + @b
I agree.
And there are some reports that imply the border has indeed been closed. Al Jazeera for instance bemoaned the fact that during this Aleppo offensive injured terrorista would not be allowed across the border to Turkey for treatment as they have been doing for years - even Al Baghdadi was treated there.
At the same time if you consider the reports about Incirlik being surrounded by civilian trucks etc.; the fire near the Izmir NATO base to which 7k troops were sent, if I remember rightly, it woyld appear as though Turkey has actually hampered any coalition ability to provide support to Aleppo terrorists.
I have gleened hese reports from here and there and have found it difdicult to ascertaon whether they are indeed accurate - maybe b could shed some light on this.
But if they ate indeed accurate then the timing of auch hindrance can not be coincidental and it may be that the meeting between Putin and Erdogan is actually going to be to assess the affectiveness of actions taken so far and the next possible steps.
As I say, this is may be more than mere conjecture, may be not.
But the turn in Turkeys approach to Russia was palpable a couple of weeka before the coup and before the Aleppo offensive ... as I say, the timing can not be coincidental.
Posted by: AtaBrit | Aug 4 2016 20:13 utc | 41
@bored muslim
Jews stay out of academia ? Are you out of your fucking mind ? Are you even aware of the scientific literature, let alone scientific prizes ?
Posted by: ira | Aug 4 2016 20:29 utc | 42
FYI, according to CNN Turk, Kerry "to visit Turkey towards the end of August".
Posted by: Jean | Aug 4 2016 20:33 utc | 43
@Jackrabbit
Turkey's balancing its relationship with Russia is unquestionable, to my mind
a) Turkey needs to reaolve the Kurdish issue and can only do this with Syria's and hence Russia's help;
b) Do not underestimate the economic sanctions that Russia imposed on Turkey - agriculture sector lost billions and tourism is down 46%! This is just in ten months. Add to this an already slowing economy and Erdogan's only tangible legacy was being threatened significantly. Without economic success Erdogan can not count on electorate support despite the Islamic hues etc.
The question to my mind is how far Turkey will turn to Russia - a 'pivot' seems too far - but Putin will claim his pound of flesh and that will be Turkey bowing out of regional military activity. Both Syria and Iraq, and NATO ambitions.
Lastly, you are absolutely right to doubt the legitimacy of the 'democracy' that has arrived in Turkey as a result of the coup! It is Islamo- Nationalist mob rule and nothing more. For example just the other night at one of the Democracy Watch evenings in Ankara, a French guy was badly beaten up because he refused to kiss the Turkish flag! The police are not pressing any charges despite the culprits being widely known.
Posted by: AtaBrit | Aug 4 2016 20:39 utc | 44
Daytona Beach Town Hall
One minute video - Trumpster says "Hillary Clinton is the founder of ISIS." ABC interrupts broadcast. Crowd chants "lock her up! lock her up!" The bread is awesome and the circus cannot be beat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UAiIuIe5Ro
Posted by: ALberto | Aug 4 2016 20:56 utc | 45
@ bored muslim /@25
Just to pick up on the Turkey Kurds situation - the activity in Turkey is strange in some ways. While fighting the PKK, the Turkish government has also been flattening whole residential areas as though in preparation for a possible separation - if you are not with us you will have to start from scratch; there is a distinct 'watering down' of the Kurdish population in the area by Turkey housing / accomodating northern Syrians; and now, with the coup you wonder how successful the Turkish army can actually be against PKK.
Am I suggesting that Turkey is as though preparing for some kind of autonomy or separation? Don't know, but the above observations do not imply that Turkey is strengthening its hand against such separation or whatever.
And let's not forget the Kurd situation poses two threats - civil war and/or separation.
Difficult to know what is happening.
Just hope that Kurds are not once again thrown under the bus by Russia, Syria or US!
Posted by: AtaBrit | Aug 4 2016 20:58 utc | 46
Anyone who deals with the Israelis and US in the middle east will always be thrown under a bus when their time is up.
Kurds dont have a homeland for a reason. They are like a broken record, keep repeating the same mistakes over and over and over again.
The SAA is pathetic. Without Russian airpower and Hezbollah/Iranian forces they would of been finished a long time ago.
Lets face the facts here, Syria is one big mess that is going to drag on for a while. Russian/Iranian suppor steps up and they close off the borders
or partition the country and get it over and done with.
Put pressure on the KSA and things will fall into line
Who knows what will happen next. I just hope Russia dont accept another baloney ceasefire
Posted by: Deebo | Aug 4 2016 21:26 utc | 47
Very good analysis b.
How many are reading MoA? The site deserves 100s millions views.
Good to see comments that reject anti-Jewish sentiment.
Sure the neocon dual citizens are a key part of the problem and Israel is ruled by cruel Likudites.
But the Cabal of NWO globalists include Westerners of Christian background, Saudis, Pakistanis etc.
The highest elite level seem to be Satanists actually.
The Empire of Chaos involves bribed and threatened elites from all cultures and creeds.
The foot soldiers are indoctrinated masses.
That includes us all whenever we succumb to greed and selfishness.
Remember "divida et imperative" (divide and rule) is the Empire of Chaos motto.
The golden rule and defending in a spirit of mercy as well as resolve is the way to true liberation.
Posted by: Anon04Aug | Aug 4 2016 21:33 utc | 48
Correction to my phone's spellchecker. " Divida et Impera".
Posted by: Anon04Aug | Aug 4 2016 21:35 utc | 49
"Divide et Impera", that should be. Divido, dividere is third conjugation.
Posted by: lysias | Aug 4 2016 22:36 utc | 50
MoA remains unsurpassed.
Kudos b for your diligence and especially for shining a light on the roaches.
Is Turkey ready to cooperate with Russia? Not so much. On August 9 we will see if Mr. Putin can persuade Mr. Erdogan.
This is not hopeful. There is this fly in the ointment:
TASS:
Turkey wants to find political solution for Syria together with Russia — spokesman
http://tass.ru/en/world/892534
[.]
Concerning Ankara’s stance on the future of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, Kalyn made it clear that it has remained unchanged. "Unfortunately, as long as Assad is in power, it is hardly possible to talk about the political transition. Talking about Assad remaining in power means talking about the continuation of hostilities. If we aim for permanent peace in Syria, I think after five years of the fighting and the loss of half a million innocent Syrians it became perfectly clear that peace cannot be achieved with Assad," he said.
[.]
Turkey likes to play both sides.
Posted by: likklemore | Aug 4 2016 22:38 utc | 51
@33, city councilman,
Well, the alternative is what we have today. Millions dead in the Middle east and counting, and you want to talk about sensibilities and still more discourse. I'm sorry but enough is enough. If one of your council people started killing people, would you still have him on the council? I think not. Throughout history, these folks have been excluded from politics and finance by various peoples and this seemed to work quite well. Otherwise, war, misery and destruction follows.
Since Sep 11, 2001, they have put the U.S on a destructive course, seven Islamic countries attacked and a trail of destruction. Hell, they even started the Ukraine imbroglio. Again, death and destruction. And if they have their way, whats next, Iran, Russia and China.
Its time for American people to take matters into account and make these people cease and desist, otherwise, boot them out and let the 'trials' commence. To the gallows, f--k it.
About those quotes, the source is in the Franklin quote, a diary of a man named Pickney. Its historical data, available, do your own homework. And what about what General Grant said and correctly did about these nefarious folks. He saw the writing on the wall too.
Posted by: bored muslim | Aug 4 2016 23:17 utc | 52
#12 Thanks GOD Mr.Putin he got own plan...after endless presentations of Kerrys plans-STALINGRAD-ized them in ALEPPO and soon in RAQQA.
Posted by: sejmon | Aug 4 2016 23:22 utc | 53
1- The Talmud supersedes the Torah according to the vast majority of Jews.
Most Neocons, Israel firsters, and other jews in the U.S are hopeless Talmudists.
2- The Talmud is all about racism, subjugation and supremacy of one people over all others. This is dangerous.
3- I could post a list if any of you would of jews in power positions in the U.S government. Then look at the U.S record of war and policy and you connect the dots.
4- Again, whats the alternative. you tell me.
5- The U.S congress and Senate shivers in a cold fear anytime AIPAC , ADL, other ridiculous think tanks and groupings say do this, or do that. That's too much power and again, look where we are today.
6- Look at the disproportionate number of jews that run MSM etc, and how they are advocating more violence in and out of the U.S (especially the Middle east) and brainwashing Americans on a daily basis. Most MSM executives are jewish. List available.
7- The Federal reserve, dominated by jews, always has been. Federal reserve and banking list available too.
So, you see, its all cause and effect. Why don't they just cease and desist? Because they are mostly loyal only to their tribe, and again, their driving force, motivation is racial supremacy.
I have made my point, we can disagree, that's discourse...the American way. No need to call me an anti-Semite, because these people are no more semetic than Chinese people are actually Hispanic. I am semetic, and proud. Good day all.
Posted by: bored muslim | Aug 4 2016 23:50 utc | 54
@47, Deebo,
The SAA is pathetic? These soldiers have been fighting for 6 years almost against an organized international conspiracy and onslaught. I think the SAA deserve more credit than that.
Posted by: bored muslim | Aug 5 2016 0:15 utc | 55
Here is another data point in the ongoing saga of Turkey and the US over Gulen....they have issued an arrest warrant.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2016-08/04/c_135564767.htm
Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 5 2016 2:57 utc | 56
So here is a posting from the same Chinese news source as my above comment about the current situation in Aleppo.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2016-08/05/c_135564843.htm
Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 5 2016 3:05 utc | 57
...
Neocon + Talmudist + Zionist + Dual Citizen = jewish
for jews that don't appreciate this, Why aren't your voices rising consistently about the genocide perpetrated by your brethren?. Which is so obvious.
Posted by: bored muslim | Aug 4, 2016 12:35:35 PM | 22
Good question. Whether there's a Silent Majority or a Silenced Minority is neither here nor there. It's the pervasive and consistent Silence which gives the game away.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 5 2016 3:13 utc | 58
COPYEDIT
Early May U.S. Secretary of State Kerry...
--should read
Early in May 2016 U.S. Secretary of State Kerry...
TYPO
This was rejected without much comments.
...should read
This was rejected without much comment. OR-- This was rejected without many comments.
***
Al-Qaeda never managed to brake the siege of the eastern areas and to thereby
...Should read
Al-Qaeda never managed to BREAK the siege of the eastern areas and to thereby
***
the attacking force is slowly grind down.
...should read
the attacking force is slowly getting ground down.
@45 ALberto - thanks for that link. This is less off-topic than it appears, because b included the western media blackout on Aleppo in his article, and your link shows in 60 seconds how ABC blacked out Trump when he said that Clinton created ISIS.
It is connected.
Comments at YouTube say: Did the guy behind Trump in the blue tee-shirt signal ABC to cut the feed? He gives a serious thumbs down, and the sound goes away. Apparently he's wearing a Trump tee-shirt.
This is actually the first time I've ever heard Trump speak. I've stayed unplugged from this circus. But just as we know that a thing can't be believed until it's officially denied, Trump being cut off the air - very literally and very surgically - speaks the same measure of validation to me.
Meanwhile, a comment on another site points out that if the Great Battle of Aleppo is the fulcrum for Syria, and if Syria is the fulcrum for the new century, then Aleppo is the turning point of the age. This makes sense to me.
This was what I wanted to share, but the Trump video is priceless and I hope others who are into the election will give it a minute of their time. Frankly, if Trump is as far down the rabbit hole as to say that Clinton created ISIS, he's really not far at all from seeing that Aleppo is the turning point of global civilization.
Posted by: Grieved | Aug 5 2016 4:15 utc | 60
@ xLemming | Aug 4, 2016 7:58:37 AM | 2
A better way of translating "schwerpunkt" would be "focal point" - it's the point at which maximum effort is needed to obtain the result you want. Think of it as the focus of effort, the (unmoving) target of your strategy and you won't go far wrong.
The term was first used by Clausewitz in "On War" where Clausewitz used it to mean a strategic objective, goal or destination.
If you're interested there's a good exposition which covers both the American and German approaches here:
http://usacac.army.mil/CAC2/MilitaryReview/Archives/English/MilitaryReview_20070228_art014.pdf
Posted by: Irony maiden | Aug 5 2016 5:41 utc | 61
@58 hoarse 'Whether there's a Silent Majority or a Silenced Minority is neither here nor there. It's the pervasive and consistent Silence which gives the game away.'
I agree.
Israel is a rogue, outlaw state. The Israelis have become monsters.
The USA is a rogue, outlaw state. Its citizens have become monsters.
I'm an American, not an Israeli. Detoxification begins at home. Part of American detoxification includes ending aid for Israel, of course, and weapons sales to Saudi Arabia.
Our work is cut out for us. Our victims aren't interested in how 'hard' it will be for us to end our reign of terror. They just want it ended, and so should we. Priority number 1.
Posted by: jfl | Aug 5 2016 9:09 utc | 62
@boorish muslim
Haven't you embarrassed yourself enough? I guess not.
1) As Merlin2 states so elequently above, complex geopolitical events are not monocausal. Our host, b, has always sought to explicate this complexity. Why are you even reading this blog if you believe world problems to be monocausal?
2) Where in my two posts above did I accuse you of being "anti-semetic? Why are you trying to put words in my mouth?
3) neocon + talmudist + zionist + dual citizen = jewish Yes
But jewish does not equal neocon + talmudist + zionist + dual citizen
Neocon is a term for a type of elite political actor. Few Jews have dual citizenship. Few American Jews can read Hebrew and have ever read anything from the Talmud. American Jews are fairly evenly divided on the Zionism question, with the younger generation not caring about Israel.
So stop with the stereotypes. If American Jews are so "tribal" why do over half of them marry non-Jews?
4) Pinkney never wrote a "diary." It doesn't exist. I challenge you to produce it. Both quotes are false. They are not even written in any style those two statesmen ever used in any of their extant writing.
5) If a city councilmember killed someone, it should be handled as an individual crime. What you are proposing is the exact mirror image of the "War on Terror," essentially another war of terror. I feel sad that you cannot see that.How would you propose to test who is a Jew and who is not in order to remove them from certain spheres of society -- by blood, or by belief? Is your reading of History so shallow that you axiomatically connect the word "Jew" with human warfare?
6) Can you not see that the entire "War on Teror" campaign is a geopolitical stratagem to maintain American hegemony by destabilizing the middle east and using proxy armies to attack Russia and China? Virtually the entire ruling class of America has been behind the gambit until now. Where was any dissent from Big Oil, the "Fire" industries, Detroit, Silicon Valley,consumer brands, the weapons industries? This has not been just a neocon plan, this has been the plan of America's entire ruling class.
7) Most people, whether Jews or Americans or Australians are apolitical and believe what corporate media tells them. It is hard work to wake people up. Apportioning collective blame to any group will only increase the violence in the world, not diminish it. Hoarsewhisperer, shame on you. By the way, when have you ever showed any interest in the plight of the Aborigines in your own country?
8) For all the experts on the Talmud out there: The Talmud is a guide on human moral action. It was codified several centuries ago. It is written in the form of a discussion, presenting numerous opposing viewpoints, and yes, some of the viewpoints can be considered heinous these days.Common human ethics has changed since then. But again, the Talmud i a very complex, recondite and difficult read. Maybe 5% of American Jews have any familiarity with it.
Posted by: City Councilman | Aug 5 2016 9:27 utc | 63
Posted by: City Councilman | Aug 5, 2016 5:27:24 AM | 63
Did you forget Yinon or is that beyond the scope of a long lecture on multiple complexities?
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 5 2016 12:54 utc | 64
So, I suppose a really great way to win friends and influence people at MOA would be to quote Breitbart?
http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2016/08/05/exclusive-syrian-rebels-deploy-along-border-ready-storm-aleppo-halt-assad-victory/
If this is even half true, it means the moderates of Aleppo are losing the fight, and our full spectrum dominance types are becoming desperate.
Posted by: wwinsti | Aug 5 2016 12:58 utc | 65
Yinon has been Israel's plan. PNAC was America's plan. Turkey had a neo-ottoman plan which they have had to roll back because IT WASN'T GOING ACCORDING TO PLAN. Russia has a plan. China has a plan. Iran has a plan. Every country (and every healthy person) should have a plan. Different factions and groups within a country or a ruling class may have different plans. But reality often clashes with our plans. Plans need to be flexible, modified, sometimes discarded. A dear friend just found out she is dying. Her plans have to change.
Geopolitics is examing all of those plans and forecasting how they will interact.
Unless you believe in a mono-causal world. In which case, why follow politics or read this blog?
Posted by: City Councilman | Aug 5 2016 13:28 utc | 66
@65 Someone should tell the 'informed Arab intelligence official' that those guys will be sitting ducks as soon as they cross the border from Jordan.
Posted by: dh | Aug 5 2016 14:12 utc | 67
@67
Oh, I'm almost certain the story is a pant load, it's just the amount of signaling going on in the past few is off the charts. This is most certainly an example of the kind of empty retoric we'll be seeing more of.
Posted by: wwinsti | Aug 5 2016 14:58 utc | 68
@ 63, City Councilman,
I personally know two American Jews that read the Torah, yet study the Talmud.
Again, when it comes to the Jewish race(and yes, its a race), with the vast majority of western Jews being of non- original 12 tribe Hebrews; its all about racial supremacy. That is the number one issue/problem. It simply doesn't work when it comes to humanity and harmony on Earth in general.
As the late Jamal Abdel Nasser said about Jews coming back to Palestine :
"You left dark, and came back white...we cant except that"
Also, Zionism is just a manifestation of this problem of racial supremacy, advocated by the vast majority of Jews, as Zionism came about in 1892.
I leave you with this question. Why have Jews been exiled or purged/expelled from 82 different countries , sometimes repeatedly for a total of 109 different exiles end expulsions since 250 A.D Carthage? Why?
Posted by: bored muslim | Aug 5 2016 17:11 utc | 69
Here are two links from China news
The 1st is an update about Aleppo with pictures
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2016-08/06/c_135567758.htm
The 2nd is about the coordination of China and Russia which is in the comments here.....a take-away if you don't wan't to read the article:
"The United States should not underestimate the determination of both countries to safeguard their strategic security interests. The two countries are coordinating closer than ever before, which will serve as a basis to face the THAAD challenge."
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2016-08/04/c_135564706.htm
Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 6 2016 5:36 utc | 70
@ dh | Aug 4, 2016 3:05:49
I don't speak Arabic so it's hard to know what motivates them. Is it Jihad? Are any of them just in it for the loot? What do they have against Assad?
I'm surprised there are still people concern with these issues ho have not yet figured out that scheme that have been applied throughout centuries by the same global evil cabal bent on establishing the NWO.
Can't you see that is can happen in any country, and actually has been recently in e.g. Ukraine, but also elsewhere?
In previous centuries certain monarchs and leaders were warning and fighting against "radicals, extremists, revolutionaries" managed by some ominous hidden forces behind the curtains, being in fact The City of London Crown Corporation "Elders of Zion" organization.
Because the organization won on many fronts it was able to force on the world (media and education) the narrative where those terrorist when acknowledged officially were called "freedom fighters" or alike. Those supported covertly, like "lone assassins" Booth, Princip, Czołgosz, Richard Lawrence, Bogrov, Jack Ruby(instein), Hinckley, Yigar Amir, pirates Francis Drake and from Somalia, or groups Abu Nidal's, AQ, Boko Haram, Nusra, mudjahedeen, ISIL are utilized on "plausible deniability" basis.
As I said before "the world is evil because people are weak".
Each society has its share of weak individuals who easily crack under life's pressures and psychopaths, who at some point break down and become criminals. Under normal circumstances, in peaceful times, they are handled more or less successfully by the law enforcement and the justice systems. Many are on the verge of yielding up, but are able somehow to restrain themselves, stay under the radar.
But when the empire of evil targets a given society those criminal types within that society become its army. First covertly supported as terrorists, in later stages openly called "freedom fighters", fueled by money (the empire has plenty given the world reserve status of the petrodollars and Brutish Pounds, can just print them), brainwashed by the Tavistock mind controlled techniques (MKULTRA/MONARCH) and "religions" (wahhabi, takfiri, salafi) or ideologies (Bandera's "great Ukraine", zionist "Greater Israel", Bolshevik's "World Communism", Nazi "1000 year Reich"), high on drugs (especially captagon in Syria and Iraq, earlier opium from The Brutish Empire colonies, now NATO's heroin from the AfPak, CIA cocaine from the South America, Mossad's ecstacy from Israel).
See the reports about e.g. Saudi Barbaria releasing murderers from its prisons and sending them to fight against Syria.
When hostilities reach a "civil" war status, then the empire can do what they want, impose the narrative to call its criminals for hire as "fighters for freedom and democracy".
You know, "Inter arma enim silent leges"
To sum it up - the criminal, murderous fringe exists in every society, and when the empire puts a targeted society under pressure (including economic sanctions, embargoes, infrastructure sabotage) people crack, and many potential and actual criminals become empire's army of zombies (they loose their souls).
We've seen it in Nazi Germany, in Mao's China, in Cambodia, in Bolshevik Russia, in Nazi/Nudelman/Kolomoiski Ukraine, and in the "islamist" ME...
Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 6 2016 10:51 utc | 71
Let me add that in the Brutish Empire colonies - the NATO racket, the "Commonwealth" - criminal environments are protected, maintained, grown to be later used as the recruiting ground for the imperial army spreading terror, mayhem, torture, rape, mutilation, enslavement, harvesting organs, steal, ...
One such group is the "stadium hooligans" who not only in Britain, but also e.g. in Poland are under protection of the clandestine services, who use those criminals to conduct illegal activities under the radar, especially drug trafficking (major source of income for the City of London empire since the opium wars with China).
The "hooligans" could be pacified, wiped out within few weeks in each NATO occupied country, but somehow this cannot be done, there are always some lame excuses. That's because they are a tool of the imperial conquest - "divide et impera".
You would be surprised how many morally, psychologically weak people, potential criminals and the future empire's hirelings in the coming war live in your neighborhood (Also - remember the "prison guards experiment" by Zimbardo?). Give them money, some ass-wipe ideology to make them feel good about themselves while committing atrocities, immunity from prosecution, permission to do whatever they want, to satisfy their vices without consequences as long as they obey the orders from the higher ups from the commanding imperial special forces, and you will find yourself in the situation that thousands in Syria, Libya, Iraq have been facing for years now.
When you stir things up, the scum rises to the top.
Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 6 2016 11:28 utc | 72
@CC 66 Aug 5, 2016 9:28:54 Yes, and the "Elders of Zion" have had one too.
Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 6 2016 11:37 utc | 73
@ City Councilman | Aug 5, 2016 5:27:24 AM | 63
"But again, the Talmud i a very complex, recondite and difficult read. Maybe 5% of American Jews have any familiarity with it."
Have you been trying to conceal the fact that it's that those 5% are those who are globally influential have been making all that decisions so disatrous to the mankind.
And to make it clear - Jews (judeomasonry in general) are the core cult, created to sabotage societies from within to destroy them and subdue to the rule of their top leaders.
As with all cults, this one also forms a pyramidal structure, with masses of regular "useful idiots" and innocents at the bottom, not "in the know" about the whole picture, and the criminal, anti-human, satanic elite of pedophiles ruthlessly using the lower ranks to impose their far reaching goals on the whole world, through many social engineering tactics, including the developing before our eyes plan for the "clash of civilizations" between Islam and Christianity.
As such, Jews, (and members of other cults too like Mormons, Jehovas, Muslim Brotherhood) need to be vetted before assuming any influential positions in any society; and their environment needs to be investigated
wrt to terrorist, sabotage and subversive activities.
Many leaders tried to this in the past, observing how the Jews were decomposing the fabric of the society, but failed to apply appropriate methods and the whole idea was perfidiously attacked, undermined and discredited when the "Elders of Zion" organized through their agents in the Nazi Germany mass murder of their lower ranking cult members which resulted not only in closing that avenue of thinking about the role of the Jews in society but also in creation of the state of Israel.
Luckily we live in times when separation of chaff from wheat can be conducted in a just way.
The knowledge about the mortal enemy of the humanity is much more complete, reliable, precise and widespread than before in the history.
Unfortunately too many are still willful slaves to the global war/debt imperial system and do not care enough about their fellow human beings in far places, or from different cultures, ethnicity,...
But the time is near...
Mene Tekel Fares
Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 6 2016 12:04 utc | 74
Unfortunately, it looks like Russia and Syria were overconfident in Aleppo. I'm afraid that Putin's announcement of withdrawing his jets from Syria will go down in history as the day Russia lost in Syria. All that it accomplished was allowing the terrorists to regroup and rearm, while the U.S. negotiated in bad faith (a stalling tactic). What I can't understand is why Putin fell for this lying tactic?
Posted by: rcentros | Aug 6 2016 12:09 utc | 75
@73 pp
Sometimes you say sensible things, but at other times you seem like a candidate for the insane asylum ... potentially for the asylum for the criminally insane.
Posted by: jfl | Aug 6 2016 13:24 utc | 76
@70 Sorry if I surprised you. My question was for bored muslim and I was hoping to get some insight into exactly what motivates young muslims to blow themselves up. That level of commitment is hard for me to understand. 72 virgins sounds excessive to me. Even one could be a problem.
Thanks anyway for the global perspective.
I like "When you stir things up, the scum rises to the top." Very true.
Posted by: dh | Aug 6 2016 13:33 utc | 77
Many leaders tried to this in the past, observing how the Jews were decomposing the fabric of the society, but failed to apply appropriate methods and the whole idea was perfidiously attacked, undermined and discredited when the "Elders of Zion" organized through their agents in the Nazi Germany mass murder of their lower ranking cult members which resulted not only in closing that avenue of thinking about the role of the Jews in society but also in creation of the state of Israel.
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Not surprised to see these types of comments cropping up here once again. I guess it goes hand in hand with the bastardized "anti-imperialism" that has David Duke offering solidarity to Bashar al-Assad.
Posted by: Louis Proyect | Aug 6 2016 20:46 utc | 78
@jfl Aug 6, 2016 9:24:20 "criminally insane" ? How so? Can't you handle the truth?
Everything I've posted about the Jews here only _helps_ those of them who are innocent, possibly saving them from disaster(s) that their cult leaders have been preparing for them for some time already...
As I mentioned before the Jews are the core of the problem, but this concerns of course all Abrahamic religions, descending cults and ideologies.
So far only solutions based on collective responsibility and punishment have been proposed and tried, which represent evil as well.
Now individualized approach should be used starting with people in high places (Sheldon Adelson), agents of foreign influence (ADL, AIPAC, Soros) and alike
Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 6 2016 23:27 utc | 79
The comments to this entry are closed.
I'm not all that smart all the time, so it took me about a month to figure out that John Kerry is brain-dead.
This Syria "adventure" is surreal, since it only could be a play to keep the Eurotrash from parting ways with the Amerotrash. Certainly not a cost effective project.
Meanwhile the Russians and the totalitarian Chinese are basically taking it all over anyhow. I have met the Wall Street CIA flunkies on the Saw Mill River Parkway. It was a big club for sociopaths in fancy suits.
We really do deserve better. Before we all just get sucked down the totalitarian China hole.
The coffee's brewing, and somebody needs to wake up.
Posted by: blues | Aug 4 2016 11:52 utc | 1