Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
August 03, 2016

How Not To Run An Anti-Trump Campaign

The whole U.S. political and media establishment is right now running a full fledged anti-Trump campaign. The points this drive brings up are minor issue, rumors or outright lies.

It is premature to run such a campaign now. One can not tell the same story over and over again for nearly a 100 days. People will either get tired of it or will endorse Trump as the poor small boy that everyone is bullying and beating up.

Some spat over a dead soldier who the Clinton campaign (ab)used for her campaign gets way overblown. Unfounded rumors that some Republicans are going to replace Trump are just a repetition of the same nonsense that spread a month ago. It only heightens the media's lack of credibility. It is similar to the claims that "the Assad regime will fall any minute now". We have heard for the last five years and no one believes it. Unsourced claims that Trump asked why the U.S. can not use nukes are not credible. Especially when they are transported by a lowlife like MSNBC's Scarborough and immediately denied. If true at all, the issues is likely taken out of context. 

On the other side, news about Clinton actively lying is so obviously suppressed by the New York Times that even its public editor laments about it. CNN claims that Hillary meets "boisterous crowds" when no-one shows up.

This wont work. This imbalance is not sustainable. The Clinton campaign managers who orchestrate this onslaught are shooting their wads prematurely.

It does not matter that Trump indeed has small hands or that he fibs on every details. The majority of the people hate Clinton. This media campaign will fall back on her. She will be perceived as the bully increasing her already strong negatives.

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Posted by: Steve | Aug 3 2016 16:52 utc | 1

It is premature to run such a campaign now. One can not tell the same story over and over again for nearly a 100 days
That's what they've been doing for months now in UK against Corbyn - and there the election is four years away.

Posted by: Laguerre | Aug 3 2016 17:01 utc | 2

American political theater continues. Popular "votes" don't matter. The "electoral college"
system will decide the U$A's next puppet. Kick back, enjoy the show.

Posted by: ben | Aug 3 2016 17:04 utc | 3

Many years ago a lady, who knew from personal experience, mentioned that talumdists (some of whom run the U.S. government, the U.S. media, the U.S. economy, U.S. academia, etc.) have no sense of proportion and no sense of timing - except in music.
She knew exactly the truth of what she was stating.

Posted by: Tony B. | Aug 3 2016 17:05 utc | 4

Mockery, sham, inane, insipid, and other akin words well describe the efforts by the Propaganda System to promote the most immoral candidate ever nominated for president over the second most immoral candidate ever nominated for president all while ignoring the most moral and worthy candidate for president--Dr. Jill Stein.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 3 2016 17:11 utc | 5

I don't watch mainstream media for years now, too discusting for my appetite, but I will venture to say this:

The election years in the U.S have been for decades now carnivals. Now that there are two official runners, we are now entering the 'Magician Show' phase, fast forward,the 'power' behind the curtain (Israel-firsters, AIPAC, international talmudists i.e) will/are using Trump as the sleight of hand, while Hillary will be ushered in as the prestige. Simple as that. Its all orchestrated. Has been for so long. Power in the U.S is very well protected.

Bernie(the fake candidate) Sanders was used to placate and herd in the mass of youngsters and progressives and folks who are outright sick and tired only to then softly ease them down ,possibly into the Hillary camp; also so said grouping can feel that they were close and actually had a chance and democracy is indeed real.

I cant find it anymore, but not long ago I saw a newspaper clipping of a picture on a major U.S newspaper showing Trump's grandchildren visiting him in his office and lo and behold, among the many portraits and pictures Trump had hanging on his wall was one that stuck out to me. It was a portrait of King Solomon's Temple with Hebrew writing on it. The man is a full fledged Zionist and on the take. Hillary is the same or worse, since the 'powers' have sooo much on here and her husband she will make a good blackmail abled POTUS.

That's my take, and no, I don't have or need a tin foil hat. Mark my words.

Posted by: bored muslim | Aug 3 2016 17:11 utc | 6

10,000 expected for Trump Rally in Daytona Beach, Florida. At 1 PM Thousands already jammed in the hallways of the Ocean Center for 3 PM Rally.

Meanwhile, Hillary must bring in high school students to fill seats.

Posted by: fastfreddy | Aug 3 2016 17:15 utc | 7

4;Correctamundo;A bunch of wacko ancient anti-religious hypocrites control US,and want no part of America First.The only nationalism permitted is zionism's.
Can b list Trumps fibs?I haven't seen any,although he has walked back some statements,but that isn't a fib,its just re-evaluation.
In fact,I never seen such a politically brave guy in Americas recent history of zionist collaboration.

Posted by: dahoit | Aug 3 2016 17:15 utc | 8

@ 5...Amen brother. (or sister)

Posted by: ben | Aug 3 2016 17:17 utc | 9

And that small hands comment by Rubio destroyed his campaign,as only homosexuals and porn stars would care about the size of a man's dick.

Posted by: dahoit | Aug 3 2016 17:17 utc | 10

6;How obvious is the zionist opposition to Trump that one can't see it for their own agenda or prejudice?
Do you think that getting rid of zionist influence in America would result in more anti Muslim animosity or less?

Posted by: dahoit | Aug 3 2016 17:21 utc | 11

off topic...but
To my fellow barflies, please take the time to watch this moving and special video. Its kind of long but well worth it.

It essentially made me proud to be American again, when I see my fellow countrymen engaging in this sort of thing, especially the Senator. Very moving indeed.

Posted by: bored muslim | Aug 3 2016 17:21 utc | 12

Khizr Khan used to work for a law firm that has the Saudi Arabian regime and apparently the Clintons or the Clinton Foundation as clients. Khizt Khan is a lawyer and his law firm offers to arrange visa for wealthy foreigners and given his previous employment that probably means that his clients include Saudi Arabians. I just can't understand why such a man would feel strongly about a temporary ban on entry into the United States for Muslims.
What I really can't understand is why Khizr Khan supports HRC, since she voted for the war that killed his son. That the son might not have come to the United States and jined the military if Trump's ban had been in place just reinforces that point. I really wonder what his pay-off is. I really hope it's been worth the loss of a son.

Posted by: blowback | Aug 3 2016 17:31 utc | 13

Well, Sith Lord Dennis Ross has an opinion piece urging the US to 'finally' attack Assad:

It goes without saying it's nonsense, but I hope a few readers here will take the time, if they open it for comments, to voice their opposition to his absurd, warmongering narrative.

Much or most of the organized, over the top attacks on Trump [who is, in and of himself, a buffoon] is coming from Zionist/Neocon interests who fear he won't attack Syria and Iran for Israel, and to some extent by the organized Jewish community per se who fear he might enforce immigration law.

Posted by: Johnny Utah | Aug 3 2016 17:34 utc | 14

The unfortunate son of Khzir Khan and Khzir Khan have an unfortunate name. Not effective for political football. If the name was John Smith, well that would be good, but it is not. In the long short run, this stupid volley will go to Trump.

Another unfortunate faux pas was committed by the intelligent, calm-speaking and otherwise logical Jill Stein in the selection of a black guy named Barak as her Veep.

Shot herself in the foot real good with that political tone deafness.

Posted by: fastfreddy | Aug 3 2016 17:40 utc | 15

@4, bashing Jews qua Jews plays into Zionists hands.

Posted by: ruralito | Aug 3 2016 17:47 utc | 16

blowback@13. You did not mention the firm Khizr-Khan worked for did Hillary Clinton's taxes.. Khizr Khan has all sorts of financial, legal, and political connections to the Clintons through his old law firm, the mega-D.C. firm Hogan Lovells LLP. That firm did Hillary Clinton’s taxes for years, starting when Khan still worked there involved in, according to his own website, matters “firm wide”—back in 2004. It also has represented, for years, the government of Saudi Arabia in the United States. Saudi Arabia, of course, is a Clinton Foundation donor which—along with the mega-bundlers of thousands upon thousands in political donations to both of Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaigns in 2008 and 2016—plays right into the “Clinton Cash” narrative. Oh dear!

Posted by: harrylaw | Aug 3 2016 17:58 utc | 17

The electorate in the US will blunder into the new leadership, with no help,-- and much hindrance-- from the corporate media,. Some people will know what they are doing when they cast their vote, -- while others will feel their way along the walls of uncertainty, like sleepwalkers. As usual, a huge percent will not vote at all.

The Clinton political machine has riggged the process, against Sanders, and gone to some lengths to conceal the shame of it. At the convention in Philadelphia, they looked most odd; while the Party was showing itself be a some kind of schitzophrenic monster, gulping down the high octane fuel of unreality. They can bear no real resemblance to the Party of Franklin Roosevelt, although they come to the Convention wearing clothes made out of his skin.

They have become republicans with a crisis of identity.

These pols are all rageaholics who worship the power that comes out of the barrel of a gun, the broad power of coersion; and they act as if people are fooled by their honey-coated words and painted smiles. They are vanguards of the empire, the apostles of expansion and exceptionalism.

Posted by: Copeland | Aug 3 2016 18:05 utc | 18

16;What the hell are they if not Jews?Holy moly now its not good to call a spade a spade.
Who are the ones who instigated this nonsense of madness, division and Trump bashing but Zionist Jews?The world in tatters all from Zionist Jews.Maybe they shouldn't have started this evil,if they want to be blameless?
Oh,its the Mennonites,I forgot.

Posted by: dahoit | Aug 3 2016 18:14 utc | 19

Might I also point out that zionist hands are smaller than American hands?:)

Posted by: dahoit | Aug 3 2016 18:16 utc | 20

These candidates all have fancy educations, and have always dwelt near the very top of the power bubble.

Yet their minds contain many vast intellectual deserts.

Posted by: blues | Aug 3 2016 18:16 utc | 21

Yesterday, Pres. Obama told the Republicans they needed disavow Trump or words to that effect.

Struck me as exactly not what a sitting Dem president should say about a Repub nominee, especially Trump since he seems quite capable of shooting himself in the foot and other areas of his anatomy (no dirty joke implied, just that he's a loose cannon).

Obama could have made a simple comment about not picking on dead soldiers without trying to look like he's telling the Repubs what to do.

I'm sure there must be some Repubs who have told the Dems they should not have nominated Hillary...unless they WANT her impeached. But, if so, it's not getting much attention.

Sen. Warren Simpson was on WNYC today, warning that Obama's attack might well backfire and hurt Hillary. Hhhmmm, maybe that's a plan?

Who can tell with this horrible choice provided to American voters.

Posted by: jawbone | Aug 3 2016 18:31 utc | 22

Thanks b.

I read that NBC piece on the plot. The word for the day.; “Irreparable consequences.”

People will either get tired of it or will endorse Trump as the poor small boy that everyone is bullying and beating up

Also, there is this being offered - “Trump is running to lose.”

The establishment, disconnected from joeandjill’s anger, is fighting to maintain the status quo forgetting the old adage – Americans love and support the underdog.”

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@ ben 3

The “electoral college” system will decide”

When that system was envisaged, there were paper ballots.

Do not dismiss the popular vote and the “winner-take-all electors” states. Electors are selected by a two part process.

This is the age of computer rigging. Loading votes to deliver key states and the required 270 votes of the electors made easy.

Key your eye on GEMS. No, not precious stones.

If this checks out you may no longer have one person-one vote.

A fascinating read:

“US election shocker: is this how the vote will be rigged?”

by Jon Rappoport
Votes are being counted as fractions instead of as whole numbers

As we know, there are a number of ways to rig an election. Bev Harris, at, is exploring a specific “cheat sheet” that has vast implications for the Trump vs. Hillary contest.

It’s a vote-counting system called GEMS.

“Our testing [of GEMS] shows that one vote can be counted 25 times, another only one one-thousandth of a time, effectively converting some votes to zero.”

“This report summarizes the results of our review of the GEMS election management system, which counts approximately 25 percent of all votes in the United States. The results of this study demonstrate that a fractional vote feature is embedded in each GEMS application which can be used to invisibly, yet radically, alter election outcomes by pre-setting desired vote percentages to redistribute votes.

This tampering is not visible to election observers, even if they are standing in the room and watching the computer. Use of the decimalized vote feature is unlikely to be detected by auditing or canvass procedures, and can be applied across large jurisdictions in less than 60 seconds.” [..]

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Posted by: jo6pac | Aug 3 2016 18:50 utc | 24

A few comments/observations:

I agree that the timing of this onslaught seems wrong - it's too early. An attack like this, you go for the knockout punch. If that doesn't happen - then what? There's a lot of time between now and November. I have always thought that this campaign, more than most, will be driven by events out of the candidates control - terrorist attacks, cop shootings, the markets, etc...

Obama's screed against Trump - what's up with that? Is he hoping to do for Trump what he's done for gun sales? He might be better off endorsing him.

Does it strike anyone else that the Khan story just sort of vanished all of a sudden. For several days - nothing else in the media. It seemed to drop off sharply yesterday. Normally, I see stories about Khan and his involvement with the Clintons, sharia law, immigration, the disappearing website, etc... and would attribute it to a weak attempt to deflect news coverage but I wonder...

And Trumps counter-attack on the Khans. At first I had the knee-jerk response "he's gone too far this time". On reflection, the Democrat MO to attack opponents using some sympathetic figure with a lot of "moral authority" - could be someone who has lost a loved one, or a disabled person, ... - on the theory that the person being attacked can't fight back. In a way, I applaud Trump for having none of that (while at the same time being annoyed that he took the bait). The Khans made an free decision to be at the DNC convention and leverage their tragedy to attack Trump. While I feel for them, they can't have it both ways.

Posted by: ian | Aug 3 2016 19:04 utc | 25

So Trump saying he has sacrificed as much as someone in the military who was killed, is not insane ludicrous BS ? Hahaha... I guess that fits in the minor issue category for B because he was still wants to keep telling a lie the trump is a genius. Oops, at least not in his latest useless piece. Backtracking much ?
Oh and Trump whoring himself out to the Israeli genocide lobby is a minor issue ?

What is so genius about right wing fucktards who are sick to death of the corrupt political system and themselves being screwed screwed over by the class war, desperately waiting for a lying not job piece of shit to say the system is corrupt and rigged, all the while Trump being guilty of the same in his corporate life.

That really is self lying cowards among the population desperate to hear what they want to hear and create a self lying loop of endless delusion with deliberate omissions of awfulness from their baseless chosen cult leader.

Same can be said for the atrociously war loving fake leftists cheering for the most evil woman on the planet Hitlery Clinton.

Posted by: tom | Aug 3 2016 19:05 utc | 26

How on earth could mainstream media even think anyone would watch their stupid propaganda, I feel sorry for Trump with all this propaganda in ALL western states. And no republicans seems to help him! What the hell!? Are they rooting for democrats?


Ukraine renames Moscow Avenue to Bandera Avenue

Posted by: Tom | Aug 3 2016 19:20 utc | 27

Pat Buchanan examines the fact that Trump's the "Peace Candidate," and notes how that's playing in Peoria,


"Trump then told the New York Times that a Russian incursion into Estonia need not trigger a U.S. military response.

"Even more shocking. By suggesting the U.S. might not honor its NATO commitment, under Article 5, to fight Russia for Estonia, our foreign policy elites declaimed, Trump has undermined the security architecture that has kept the peace for 65 years.

"More interesting, however, was the reaction of Middle America. Or, to be more exact, the nonreaction. Americans seem neither shocked nor horrified. What does this suggest?

"Behind the war guarantees America has issued to scores of nations in Europe, the Mideast and Asia since 1949, the bedrock of public support that existed during the Cold War has crumbled."

As I've written elsewhere, myself and others's analysis of Trump vs HRC leads us to conclude that Trump's the lesser evil, and is indeed a peace candidate compared to HRC's nonstop belligerence and warmongering. The Propaganda System will do its best to paint Trump as the greater evil, but that will be a very hard task as most of the public no longer sees that System as credible.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 3 2016 19:22 utc | 28

I stumbled upon this. Its fun to read.

Posted by: bored muslim | Aug 3 2016 19:34 utc | 29

fastfreddy @ Aug 3, 2016 1:40:47 PM | 15

Another unfortunate faux pas was committed by the intelligent, calm-speaking and otherwise logical Jill Stein in the selection of a black guy named Barak as her Veep.

The name is: Baraka. You may want to read a bit on his views, work history and positions. Baraka has got just about everything right that is expressed by MoA repeatedly.

Brief discussion of Stein's meeting in Moscow with RT organized Policy experts is here. At a dinner several days after with Putin (and others) Vlade said:

Putin noted, "What I would like to say, something really unexpected, when I was watching this material. When I was listening to your comments, politicians from other countries, you know what I caught myself thinking about? I agree with them, on many issues."

Stein deserves far more serious attention and exposure then she's getting here (U.S.). I encourage people... especially U.S. voters and Bernie supporters, to now rely on media reports about her but take a few hours and go through her website. Her positions on just about everything... and all the BIG ones, are impressive and make more sense then anything I've heard from any candidate since I can remember. I encourage folks to write letters demanding she be included in the debates.

Posted by: jdmckay | Aug 3 2016 19:41 utc | 30

@ 9, karlof1

Jill Stein? You got to be kidding , right? Just like Bernie, she's just another member of the 'tribe/race' that are putting on this charade that is the U.S election. These people are in the final stages of pulling off the greatest coup in world history and the American people hardly know it. That's horrifying. This is the Opus Magnum folks. Read the last 2000, or 1000 or 500, or 200 years of world history and one knows where this will lead. It's going to be dark.

Americans....your children and grandchildren are going to curse at your graves if you don't wake up.

Posted by: bored muslim | Aug 3 2016 19:49 utc | 31

13 & 17. You're both right. It's a shame Trump didn't go after this fact or that the DEMs/Hillary/Media complex are playing races against each other. He should have said that yes, he has not sacrificed a son on an "elective war" as a Pope once called it but that Hillary has not sacrificed either while voting for and pushing for wars.

Posted by: Curtis | Aug 3 2016 19:50 utc | 32

b: that he fibs on every details.

So, also b is running a full fledged anti-Trump campaign.

Why b?

Posted by: From The Hague | Aug 3 2016 19:51 utc | 33

j utah @ 14

I posted a comment on another editorial querying why the Comments section for "Israel's lawyer" was closed -- comment not posted

Posted by: chet380 | Aug 3 2016 19:52 utc | 34

Yesterday someone posted a link to the interview with Bashar al-Assad. (Thnx BTW). He was asked his opinion about the next president several times probably to smear him as a Trump supporter. He kept saying that their campaign talk doesn't matter and that it's their actions. But @17:40 he said this, "We always hope that the next president will be much wiser than the previous one." We hope for the same thing here in the us and we keep being disappointed.

Posted by: Curtis | Aug 3 2016 19:56 utc | 35

#22 It will backfire big time-remember his comments about BREXIT ???

Posted by: sejmon | Aug 3 2016 19:56 utc | 36

@10, dahoit,

super...that was funny.

Posted by: bored muslim | Aug 3 2016 19:57 utc | 37

@35, Curtis,

Hope isn't going to do the trick, it's time the American people took matters into their own hands. Start marching...against war, against unemployment, homelessness, infrastructure falling apart, prisons everywhere, swindles in the tune of Trillions etc. I could go on...

The Democratic NC has turned into an advertisement for more and endless war. Complete with hoorah's of USA!! USA!!

sigh. sorry.

Posted by: bored muslim | Aug 3 2016 20:05 utc | 38

hegel forever :-)

Posted by: broders | Aug 3 2016 20:11 utc | 39

@ 11, dahoit,

Less, of course. And it would also stop the insane policy of taking America and using it as a bludgeoning tool against the Arabic, African, NovoRuss and hell, maybe even the Persian peoples. Zioinism is just a manifestation of the problem, as Zionism is rather a new thing. Problem is, the bludgeoning tool is showing signs of cracking. Trump or Hillary, both will go out of their way to finally break it. That sad, because I love this country.

Posted by: bored muslim | Aug 3 2016 20:21 utc | 40

"The majority of the people hate Clinton. This media campaign will fall back on her. She will be perceived as the bully increasing her already strong negatives."

This is a stretch. According to recent polls, Clinton has 54% "unfavorable" rating, and Trump has 64%. And not surprisingly, libertarian and green tickets poll better than usual. Especially libertarian, which marks dissatisfaction of the right side of the public.

If I were a politician, I would forbid my stuff from reading b without a red pen to underline all statements to disagree with. Number one, that the opponent should not be attacked over unimportant details. It defies historical record! Profound nonsense if usually difficult to explain. In particular, it requires an explanation, so you miss the ever important sector of the public that is immune to explanations. By the way of contrast, inconsequential details are easy to convey.

Consider foreign policy, the focus of discussions here. Is it important what and when did Clinton know about the attack on the consulate in Benghazi? Not really. It is important that the entire policy of regime change in Libya is FUBAR. It starts from a simple observation that aging Kaddafi was sufficiently pliable to give the West all (almost all?) benefits of control without the cost. But given the chaotic situation that ensued, indeed it was better to pursue some influence than playing it "risk free" (from Empire perspective, shared by Clinton and her tormentors).

Another foreign policy example, the issue of Iran and "the deal". Trump promises even worse approach than executed by Obama. Why? This is fully consistent with the basic plank of his philosophy, help those that pay their dues. And Saudis and other Gulfies manifestly pay their dues. Unlike Latvia and Ukraine. In any case, Trump is attacking here on inconsequential details, which shows that he understands the basics of the political craft.

Finally, "Clinton risks being perceived as a bully". Trump is uniquely positioned to get scant sympathy. Bullying somewhat frail Sanders would be risky, but Trump?

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 3 2016 20:23 utc | 41

Not all Jews are Zionists.

Not all Jews agree with Israel's policies.

Many Jews are victims as they are preyed upon for their support and vilified for protesting/objecting.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 3 2016 20:25 utc | 42

@ 14, johnny,

you make some good points. I want to believe.

Posted by: bored muslim | Aug 3 2016 20:30 utc | 43

Khan and Hogan Lovells

Khan revealed that he spent nearly a decade working for the mega-D.C. law firm Hogan & Hartson—now Hogan Lovells LLP—which connects him directly with the government of Saudi Arabia [which employs Hogan as lobbyist] and the Clintons themselves.

Khan spent seven years, from 2000 to 2007, in the Washington, D.C., office of then-Hogan & Hartson. He served as the firm’s manager of litigation technology.

Attorney General Loretta Lynch was at Hogan Hartson (now Hogan Lovells) from 2001 to 2010. She was a partner specializing in litigation.

Both have law degrees from Harvard.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 3 2016 20:49 utc | 44

boredmuslim @12

Thank you for posting video link. Virginia State Senator Black is a real human being.

Posted by: ALberto | Aug 3 2016 20:53 utc | 45

Hillary/Establishment: Empire First!

Trump: America First!

Johnson/Libertarians: Clan/Tribe First!

Stein/Greens: People First!


Chose wisely.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 3 2016 20:54 utc | 46

@30, jdmckay,

Jill Stein is just a jewess being propped up to placate the increasingly angry disenfranchised and young Americans. Another sleight of hand. Her and Hillary do as they are told.

Posted by: bored muslim | Aug 3 2016 20:54 utc | 47

AKP organs like Yeni Şafak are now reading like the German press after the Reichstag Fire. Like this piece:

Posted by: lysias | Aug 3 2016 21:00 utc | 48

ruralito @ 16 Not all Jews are Talmudists. (c.f. not all Oirish are Catlics)

Along with the oldie-but-goodie - not all Jews are Zionists and not all Zionists are Jews.

Posted by: Yonatan | Aug 3 2016 21:06 utc | 49


That is a good analysis, and I find myself in agreement with you --- except for one detail that you left out.

Stalin told us that it does not matter who votes or why, but what really matters is who counts the votes. The vote counting system in the USA is rigged and fraud is easy. But if you are going to steal an election with vote counting fraud, you need the people to think the race is close or that the cheater is ahead.

This is about selling the perception that Trump is behind or is dead even. When the vote turns out to be for Hillary, the man in the street will blame "the media" or some bone-headed thing Trump said. He must not be allowed to see that a landslide vote was for Trump yet Hillary won. That would be very inconvenient for the elites.

Posted by: Mark Stoval | Aug 3 2016 21:37 utc | 50

@49 Mark Stoval

You're in denial.
It seems b doesn't want Trump to win.
So voting fraud doesn't interest him.

Posted by: From The Hague | Aug 3 2016 22:00 utc | 51

bm @ 12: Great video, thanks.

Might be redundant, but, I'll post this video again, with the chance some will watch it.

Posted by: ben | Aug 3 2016 22:03 utc | 52

Sorry, 51 is about the real voting fraud by using e-voting.

Posted by: ben | Aug 3 2016 22:05 utc | 53

"EU officials are concerned the deal could force Europe to become ever more reliant on Russia's gas supply as the gas line would bypass Ukraine and potential suppliers in the Caspian region.

Under the new scheme, dubbed the TurkStream pipeline, Russia will pump natural gas in two huge tunnels to Europe's border, with Turkey playing a key role as a major transit country.

Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan and his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin are to agree the deal next month at their first meeting since Russia imposed sanctions over Turkey's shooting down of the jet near the Syrian border last November."

source -

With $5,000,000,000 invested in Ukraine looks like the 'you know who'" just suffered a major take down.

Posted by: ALberto | Aug 3 2016 22:18 utc | 54

@19, read what I wrote. Zionists are fair game. Neturei Karta, qv, are the jewiest Jews going, and they loathe Israel.

Posted by: ruralito | Aug 3 2016 22:27 utc | 55

40-42;With the Trump assassination by the Zionist MSM do you really think Trump won't remember their attempt to deny him the POTUS?
I don't see that type of Bernie Sanders at all in him.
We have to regain American nationalism.He is calling for it,with America First.
42;Yes,I realize that,what I meant was all Zionists are Jews,not all Jews are Zionists.But the righteous ones are few and far between.What they have done to their neighbors the last 70 years is atrocious,and not one iota of self introspection by the MSM.
Incredible the lack of pushback by the US and other world govts towards them.

Posted by: dahoit | Aug 3 2016 22:39 utc | 56

The Obama comments about Trump not being able to be president (however he put it) struck me as the kind of thing that happens in countries that march toward a ONE PARTY SYSTEM. every barb put out as "fact" by the media that documents reasons why Trump CAN'T be president, plus every GOP idiot announcing endorsement for Clinton is another goose-step toward a merging of the parties.

The comedy is that Trump is no worse than most GOP *and* Dem candidates.

Thanks to Wikileaks, I now know that the Dems actually do control big chunks of the media. (not the same thing as being controlled by the "left".) I hope we get more leaks. the BS stinks too much.

Posted by: anon | Aug 3 2016 22:43 utc | 57


on every details.

...should read

on every detail.

Posted by: Ronald | Aug 3 2016 23:23 utc | 58

@57 Ronald

Just a detail...
What b means is totally clear: Trump always everywhere everytime fibs

Posted by: From The Hague | Aug 3 2016 23:27 utc | 59

@58 Ronald is a stickler for detail. He scours the internet looking for typos.

Posted by: dh | Aug 3 2016 23:52 utc | 60

US media keep calling trump fascist
Shinzo Abe, now there's real fascist loved by the US establishment.

Posted by: genius | Aug 4 2016 0:51 utc | 61

@6 Yes, Bored Muslim, I think you're on the right track. I wish b were right, at least the part about Hillary losing, but I don't think Trump will win this, because he either 1) does not want to or 2) is mentally ill. For the past 6-12 months I've been predicting that Trump would pivot toward being Presidential after the conventions and would start an onslaught against Hillary's war-mongering, lying and duplicity. Contrary to b's wishful thinking, that's not happening.

Any fool could have predicted the joke about Russia releasing emails would be distorted, and the Khan dustup was a disaster in and of itself, as most Murkins are still jingoistic and can't stand anything that even seems like it might be criticism of a "gold star" family, especially by someone whose only purple heart was a gift from one who earned it. These gaffs distracted attention from revelations of Hillary's corruption and Binney's reminder that the NSA has all the DNC emails. I'm now sure gaffs will continue until November.

If Trump is not suffering a mental breakdown of some sort, whether it be severe depression or dementia, I am forced to the conclusion that he does not want to win the election. I believe the goal of his campaign has always been to lose to weaken the Republicans vs Hillary Clinton. I suspect his personal finances are far weaker than people know, and that's why he won't release his tax returns. He's long been tight with the Clintons. He's been hired for this job, and he's succeeded beyond anybody's wildest dreams. With the nomination now complete, he's now in position for the bonus goal to utterly destroy the Republican Party. His decision now to withhold support from several incumbent Republicans is evidence that's now been folded into the campaign strategy.

The end result will be single party Democratic rule. Corporatist/militarist Republicans will move permanently to the Democratic Party. The opposition will be splintered into at least 3 pieces: a blatantly racist Republican Party, a Libertarian Party which will be the home of both corporatist and small government anti-war people, and a Green Party which will be the home of many Bernie-bots and genuine leftists. Hillary can win with about 40% of the vote, the opposition factions averaging 20%.

I know I should take off my tinfoil hat, but I just can't seem to get the chinstrap unsnapped.

Posted by: William Rood | Aug 4 2016 0:53 utc | 62

a US stock market crash is still is real possibility that will hand Trump the US presidency

Posted by: genius | Aug 4 2016 0:57 utc | 63

William Rood @61

I share your concern.

Trump should be Presidential and use surrogates for controversial matters. Instead he allows himself to be a lighting rod?!?!

On taxes, Trump must know that any serious candidate has to release their taxes.

Bernie also failed in this regard(!) - releasing only 2015 taxes after he had promised to release THREE years of taxes. Bernie's 2013 and 2014 taxes were no doubt completed and filed long ago so they could've been easily released. But they weren't.

After being lauded by the Democrats for his service to the Party, one can only wonder what might be found in the taxes that Bernie didn't release.

All the more suspicious when Hillary has repeatedly noted that she has released 10 years of taxes. Wow.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 4 2016 1:29 utc | 64

@ 28,

That is a very good point. But the fact is the guarantee offered by the US foreign policy Elite is bogus from start to finish. It is offered only to manipulate the gullible of these countries into following the US lead and to act as a base from which the US can harras Russia. But when push comes to shove, only an idiot believes the US will absorb a Russian nuclear strike for the sake of Estonia. Trump is only saying out loud what the FP bigwigs know in private.

Posted by: Lysander | Aug 4 2016 1:49 utc | 65

Very timely post, b.
When Obama stepped up to the Pulpit to Saddam-ise, Ghadaffi-ise, Putin-ise and Assad-ise Trump, it became obvious, to me, that there's no limit to US hypocrisy, dumbfuckery and belief in their own infantile bs. It's appalling - in a tediously boring and repetitive kind of way...

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 4 2016 2:12 utc | 66

One possibility that seems to have been overlooked.

The viscous onslaught against Trump (and in the UK, Corbyn) is being conducted--along with the massive, violent false flag operations in both the US and Europe -- as an overture to the assassination of Trump (and Corbyn).

They aren't shooting their wad too soon, they are priming the pump for murder. The backdrop of ceaseless slander and shootings provides both the motive and the explanation.

Posted by: Perimetr | Aug 4 2016 2:20 utc | 67

follow-up @63

Most people probably think that, as 2015 is the most recent tax year, 2015 is the most relevant return for Bernie to release.

But Bernie mostly likely decided to run during 2014 (or possibly 2013). So any arrangment (not saying there was an arrangement!) would be reflected in 2014 (or possible 2013) taxes.

Check out this Congressperson's surprisingly good daytrading profits.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 4 2016 2:21 utc | 68

Perimetr @66

Since 2008, the message to critics/discontents has been STFU!

And nothing shuts people up quite as well - with minimal friction - as losing an election**

Elections have consequences!

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** Belief in this "truism" is as a strong as the belief in the safety of mortgage debt before the subprime debacle in 2008. So the establishment fully believes that a 2016 election that is 'rigged' by: Super-delegates, SuperPACs, media bias, election fraud, voter fraud, wagging dogs, etc. will be accepted by most Americans with a shrug.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 4 2016 2:43 utc | 69

I do think that Hillary will win. But it is clear that the way she wins will lock her into positions that will make it very difficult to govern. Without doubt she will enter office with (in her mind at least) she must engage Russia, perhaps in Syria or may by in the Baltics (hopefully she is not so stupid that she might think the US Navy could take on Russia in the Black Sea.) However it works there is a big chance for a major shooting war. Who knows? Maybe she will challenge China in the South China Sea. Interesting times ahead for sure.

Posted by: ToivoS | Aug 4 2016 3:50 utc | 70

LOL! How is bullying a bully a bad thing? You gotta use the only sort of language they understand or respect.

PB at 41 --

If one is to talk about hatred, the disapproval levels you cite would suggest that The Donald is more hated. Nice comment.

MS at 49

Trump is pre-selling his alibi for losing the election. Bob Cesca at The Daily Banter is a little harsh on the Berners, but he is correct in arguing that Despite the GOP's Voter ID Laws, Trump is Already Blaming Hillary for Rigging the Election.

Trump thinks she's trying to rig the election, of course, which is the chief gripe of Bernie loyalists who insisted she did the same via the DNC and so on....

Meanwhile, Trump's weirdest surrogate and Alex Jones henchman, Roger Stone, continues to insist that Hillary will absolutely steal the election. The calculus from both crooks is that if Trump loses the election, it can only be because Hillary stole it. They're building an escape hatch before-the-fact, revealing a hint of defeatism while prepackaging the de-legitimization of the Clinton presidency. The allegedly stolen election will be the new birth certificate, endlessly investigated by Trump's flying monkeys for the next four-to-eight years.

Makes sense. What's not to like about a narcissistic serial liar with anger management issues? Fraud would be the only logical explanation. No doubt House Rethuglicans will ginger up a witch hunt. "Apprentice: Congressional Investigation Edition" will be huge.

in re 46 --

Actually, its "Vaxxers and Frauds First" with Stein and the Greens.

First, a word about their bad politics.

Because even by the standards of protest candidates, Stein—whose press team did not respond to an interview request—is an absolutely awful torchbearer for the far left. She's a Harvard-trained physician who panders to pseudoscience. She mangles pet policy issues. And her cynical retelling of the past eight years has nothing to do with the reality of recorded history.

So Stein has taken to offering critical support for the anti-vaccination movement. "Despite clearly understanding that vaccines are safe..." Stein panders by suggesting "worries are justified and offering fuel for those fears by painting a dark picture of a corrupt regulatory apparatus."

Given what passes for "pwogwessive" politics, this is hardly surprising. But when it comes from some one who you would think knows better, it's a little sad.

Again, this is somewhat standard stuff on the far left these days, but coming from a physician, it's discouraging. It is also in keeping with the last official Green Party platform, from 2014, which supports the “teaching, funding, and practice” of “alternative therapies” such as naturopathy and homeopathy, i.e. funneling money into quack medicine.

I think many might agree with the sentiment offered in There Are No Democratic or Green Saviors: Get in the Streets!

Dolack deals it out to both sides, Berners and Greens, and not unfairly. But he really does tear into the Greens, particularly the horrible foreign policies of the German Greens.

The only route to a better world is through mass movements articulating clear goals,... [and] the only way out of our present crises is to push beyond what is possible in the world’s present political systems. There are only two reasons for voting for Secretary Clinton instead of Mr. Trump — one, that voting for the latter is a vote for open racism, misogyny and immigrant-bashing... that carries with it the seeds of a potential fascist movement and, two, that it would be better to be on the offensive than the defensive. A Trump presidency would necessitate a multi-pronged movement against an all-around assault on civil rights just to maintain the crumbs left to us. Although a Clinton presidency is hardly destined to be a golden age, mass movements would be better able to go on the offensive as she will have to give lip service to the campaign promises she has been forced, through gritted teeth, to make to fend off Senator Sanders’ primary challenge.

Either way, what we do in the streets, what pressure movements bring to bear, will be decisive

So I plan on Taking it to the Streets over course of the next Administration. "Take this message to my brother/You will find him everywhere/Wherever people live together/Tied in poverty's despair."

Posted by: rufus magister | Aug 4 2016 4:01 utc | 71

This post reads like ZeroH or DKos letting some guest editor spew. To claim that 'everyone hates Hillary' and 'Donald is being picked on' in the press totally ignores the suppressed Guardian expose that the two corrupt money-laundering assclowns are both 19th cousins of the Royal Bloodline, and there is obviously only one party in the KleptoUSA: Mil.Gov.Fed.

I suggest everyone watch WWE Raw for a week, pick your favorite wrestler, then lament in some blog how 'everyone is picking on them', when they are obviously the Smackdown King, then let that psyop mind-rot sink in as November approaches, so you'll be a happy voter.
The single best way to turn out the vote is play 'poor me' back and forth to the prols.

Posted by: Alison DeBeers | Aug 4 2016 4:35 utc | 72


"He's been hired for this job, and he's succeeded beyond anybody's wildest dreams," .. and unless he gets to shave Hillary's head for the prols on WWE Raw, Trump wants to dump this pig and move to Macau, just like Gore did, and Kerry, and McCain, all who became billionaires off their failed presidential campaign residuals.

Why is it so hard for Americans to follow the money? They're so conditioned, they won't even take cash out of the bank! Instead, they pay -15% hit at the ATM to chip $40 a pop! Now having created a Greatest Cow Generation, where is Eastwood playing Rowdie Yates?

"Move em up, head em out!" It sure worked for Bibi with only 28% of the Israeli vote.

Posted by: Alison DeBeers | Aug 4 2016 4:46 utc | 73

Its incredible how consistent the ruling "elite" are in their tactics. We saw the same stunts in Syria, the Brexit campaign, the Ukraine, in the Putin demonization, etc.

I agree that they are blowing their load early here but the goal is to give Hillary a lead before the debates because she is very, very, very vulnerable to anyone willing to attack. I hope this backfires on them but you shouldn't underestimate the stupidity of the American people.

That said, it is wonderful to see that the tactics of the ruling elite have become much less effective and even ineffective in some cases. They are losing grip because the gap between reality and their fiction is becoming too large due largely to the deteriorating economic standing of Americans and Europeans.

But will they accept losing control? No. They'll double down on dirty tricks and I personally am deeply concerned with how far they will go for control.

Posted by: alaric | Aug 4 2016 5:39 utc | 74

Sigh, Clinton leads with 10 points now - just proof how good propaganda works in the US.

Posted by: Mannie | Aug 4 2016 7:34 utc | 75


Khizr Khan used to work for a law firm that let Arabs buy USA citizenship in USA for a $100,000 'investment' and anyone anywhere can do the same thing today. It's call buy-ín.

First of all, Trump is pandering to the RWNJs with his Muslim ban, and his 'Border Fence' schtick will just be a warm wet sop to some Israeli sub-contractor to Homeland Security, the same as Boeing looted $50B for only doing $7B worth of work on Bush's Border Fence, ..but then got paid off 100% anyway. Mil.Gov.Fed Rules Uber Alles.

It's a huge and massive continual con, ever since Reagan unleashed the Dirty Boys in 1982 and nuns started being pushed out of helicopters. The $145 a barrel Bush Oil Wars gave the Saudis an extra $1B *every day* in excess oil profits, $Bs flown by private jet back and forth from Riyadh to Wall Street on to some offshore Isle of Man tax dodge.

All Trump is doing is shaking down the sheikhs, a little heads up that they'll have to give a taste to the NY:NJ Mob after he's selected. Think of it as a 'protective tariff'.

Posted by: Alison DeBeers | Aug 4 2016 7:37 utc | 76

Me thinks that what we're seeing now is nothin' yet... Until Nov., there will be increasingly frenzied efforts to attack DT, ridicule him, and make him out to be a lunatic. And, of course, Putin's lunatic. There is no way the deep state will let him win - whatever it takes. It's hillary time...

Posted by: GoraDiva | Aug 4 2016 8:24 utc | 77

Bored Muslim I believe you to be new here & you have posted quite a bit on this thread going after Jill Strin. I'm wondering why such a "hard on" ?? I realise the probable futility of writing in her name as ones preferred candidate & even if millions did so, I doubt we'd ever hear of it.

But apart from her being one of the "tribe", I 'd like to know what your problem with her is. Large number of people have been singing her praises as to her views, policies,etc and out of the available choices she is far and away the most credible & the most human imo

Posted by: kiwicris | Aug 4 2016 11:30 utc | 79

OOps . . . . call off the grammar police - I meant Jill Stein

Posted by: kiwicris | Aug 4 2016 11:32 utc | 80

"And, of course, Putin's lunatic."

I think the narrative is that Putin is an evil genius with a capability of inducing mass hypnosis among millions of Western useful idiots. One minute of RT broadcast inflicts more damage than years of mainstream broadcast can undo. And given such evil powers, no elections approved by Putin can be valid, and mass preference for Russia in Crimea is not valid either.

On another front, less known in USA, dangers of dealing with Putin are recently experienced by Ukraine, the plucky bulwark of the West against Putin's aggression. Certain Nadezhda Savchenko was taken prisoner in Donbass, Russians accused her of murdering Russian journalists and sentenced. That provoked a PR fight in Ukraine to "free Savchenko", and ... Putin relented, exchanging prisoners. Now it dawned on Ukrainians that this is true "Greek gift" as megalomaniac and extremist Savchenko is a huge pain in the butt for the government and Ukrainian enemies at "Russian Spring, Continuation of the Project" pass Russian equivalent of pop-corn (pickled wild mushroom?).

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 4 2016 11:33 utc | 81

magister | Aug 4, 2016 12:01:59 AM @ 71

So Stein has taken to offering critical support for the anti-vaccination movement.

False. She has NEVER said a word in support of anti-Vaxxers. If you have a quote in "her words" (not "pundits" responsible for creating this false meme, like twisting of her statements to Reddit which started all this) I'd like to see it.

Posted by: jdmckay | Aug 4 2016 12:56 utc | 82

I guarantee a Trump victory in November.
Polls by serial lying zioscum have the worth of used toilet paper.
Anyone who believes them are gullible fools,or in on the scam.
The monsters are running scared.

Posted by: dahoit | Aug 4 2016 13:31 utc | 83

"Clinton Body Count" + 1:

Prominent Clinton Researcher Found Dead « Memory Hole

American Free Press (August 2, 2016)

• AFP investigative reporter, prominent Clinton researcher, and prolific author Victor Thorn was found dead, the apparent victim of a self-inflicted gunshot wound.


AMERICAN FREE PRESS contacted the State College [Pa.] Police Department this morning for any news on the suicide of Victor Thorn, whose birth name was Scott Robert Makufka.

AFP asked the policeman who answered the phone if the department could provide any updates.

“There was something that occurred on Monday morning, but I don’t know if we’ve released any identities or any details about it at this time.

VictorThornSlider-300x231AFP asked if he knew when the release might happen.

“I don’t. I don’t know what the status of the investigation is. I have not seen the detective that’s in charge of that today yet. They’ll release it as soon as they can. I don’t know what the holdup is or the details are at this point.”

Please visit “2016 Police Media Releases” to access the most current releases.

The releases “usually get picked up pretty quickly by Centre Daily Times, and, and some of the other media outlets,” he told AFP.

Prolific author, AMERICAN FREE PRESS writer and seasoned Clinton researcher Victor Thorn was found at the top of a mountain near his home, the apparent victim of a gunshot wound. Family and some close friends contend Thorn took his own life on his birthday, August 1. Thorn would have been 54.

At the peak of his writing career, the author of some 20 books and 30 chapbooks, Thorn had reported for this newspaper for over a decade, writing thousands of
articles on myriad subjects from conspiracy to health-related topics. Best known for his investigate research on the Clintons, Thorn wrote the Clinton trilogy—three definitive works that delved into the history of the power couple including their sordid scandals, Bill Clinton’s sexual assaults of multiple women, and the drug running out of Mena, Arkansas while Clinton was governor of the state...

Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 4 2016 13:36 utc | 84

"Clinton Body Count" + 1:

Prominent Clinton Researcher Found Dead « Memory Hole

American Free Press (August 2, 2016)

• AFP investigative reporter, prominent Clinton researcher, and prolific author Victor Thorn was found dead, the apparent victim of a self-inflicted gunshot wound.


AMERICAN FREE PRESS contacted the State College [Pa.] Police Department this morning for any news on the suicide of Victor Thorn, whose birth name was Scott Robert Makufka.

AFP asked the policeman who answered the phone if the department could provide any updates.

“There was something that occurred on Monday morning, but I don’t know if we’ve released any identities or any details about it at this time.

VictorThornSlider-300x231AFP asked if he knew when the release might happen.

“I don’t. I don’t know what the status of the investigation is. I have not seen the detective that’s in charge of that today yet. They’ll release it as soon as they can. I don’t know what the holdup is or the details are at this point.”

Please visit “2016 Police Media Releases” to access the most current releases.

The releases “usually get picked up pretty quickly by Centre Daily Times, and, and some of the other media outlets,” he told AFP.

Prolific author, AMERICAN FREE PRESS writer and seasoned Clinton researcher Victor Thorn was found at the top of a mountain near his home, the apparent victim of a gunshot wound. Family and some close friends contend Thorn took his own life on his birthday, August 1. Thorn would have been 54.

At the peak of his writing career, the author of some 20 books and 30 chapbooks, Thorn had reported for this newspaper for over a decade, writing thousands of
articles on myriad subjects from conspiracy to health-related topics. Best known for his investigate research on the Clintons, Thorn wrote the Clinton trilogy—three definitive works that delved into the history of the power couple including their sordid scandals, Bill Clinton’s sexual assaults of multiple women, and the drug running out of Mena, Arkansas while Clinton was governor of the state...

Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 4 2016 13:41 utc | 85

Looks like Rufie has had all of his recommended vaccines.

Posted by: sejomoje | Aug 4 2016 13:48 utc | 86

Peter Thiel, a Bilderberger, gay, an oligarch, supports Trump, criticizes Hillary. Weird.

Thanks to his recent statements it's become clear why millions of children vanish without a trace around the world:

Peter Thiel Is Interested in Harvesting the Blood of the Young

Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 4 2016 14:09 utc | 87

@ 62, William R,

Exactly, good analysis of the 'take'.

you made me laugh at the end there. cheers.

Posted by: bored muslim | Aug 4 2016 14:24 utc | 88

Media. How to delimit where to begin and how to fit it all together?

—The ownership of course and the commands (suggestions, hints, rules, management, direction, etc.) from on high - as the criminal enterprises that control a good chunk of the world own a majority share of the MSM, for which they pay a LOT, so they expect performance

—Group-think in the employee staff, in a bubble of opinion, just like real-estate bubble, amazing, if I may. Ppl who change their minds or grow or object are weeded out pronto, in any case, those inititally hired are ‘low level, quality’, in search of subservience to a protection from big corps, as opposed to any indepedent life, and are desperate for semi-well-paying prestigious jobs in a landscape that is ‘financially’ shrinking (competition from the internet, radio) and will do absolutely anything to join and stay ‘in the circuit’, which in return makes it easy for the PTB to ‘filter, choose, impose’..

— The group-think, xyz pay and minor privileges leads to do-or-die adherence, while it offers much encouraging feed-back so thus a ‘radicalisation’ of opinion, rather like in ISIS - madness of a crazy sect comes to mind

— The ultimate hook is that the worker-bees become (are treated as / consider themselves to be) a vital essential etc. body, as they are the masters who shape public opinion, what is more stellar? In these days of propaganda acceptance?

The stumbling-block is that all this can work for a while but there is no Plan B. In fact a plan B is impossible as plan A was built on a very complicated, manipulatory, expensive yet minimally funded, structure — so all they (MSM, the pay masters and commanders, plus the foot-soldiers) can do is double down. No other strategy is available. (See as analogy US foreign policy.)

Crash and Burn imho. In French, la fuite en avant, fleeing forward as there is no place else to go.. I mentioned crime, bubbles, sects, US foreign policy, on purpose.

Posted by: Noirette | Aug 4 2016 14:39 utc | 89

@ 79, kiwicris,

This 'tribe' is the reason the world is in the mess it is today., and I could go on for days writing examples of their duplicity, deception, subversion, arrogance ,etc, etc. Enough is enough. The whole world is waking up to the extent of this.

Posted by: bored muslim | Aug 4 2016 14:39 utc | 90

Re: Clinton body count. Amazon review of a book by Victor Thorn:

**** Reputable journalist, author, and historical revisionist Victor Thorn has done the world an invaluable service with the publication of his book, The Holocaust Hoax Exposed: Debunking the 20th Century's Biggest Lie. Tackling a tremendously complex subject, Thorn offers his readers a short, concise - yet thorough - description of what really happened to European Jewry during WWII, completely destroying the false propaganda endlessly disseminated by organized Jewry and their minions. To put it bluntly, Thorn's book debunks virtually every single aspect of the official "Holocaust" narrative, and sets the historical record straight.

The alleged "Holocaust" of 6 million Jews at the hands of Adolf Hitler and National Socialist Germany during WWII is one of the most egregious and outrageous falsehoods ever perpetrated against mankind. Deceitful Jewish propagandists and their lackeys in the educational establishment, media, and Hollywood have foisted upon the world a completely baseless, manufactured narrative, chock full of a wide variety of ridiculous claims and impossible events, all to advance the Jewish agenda of world domination and subjugation.

* your typical antisemitic trash.


Victor Thorn hated Jews, all Christians, all religious people, Blacks, and wonder of wonders, he was not a happy person.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 4 2016 15:00 utc | 91

Post script @62: In an interview with Paul Jay of the Real News Network, Lawrence Wilkerson also suggested that Trump's primary mission is to destroy the Republican Party. After pointing out the irrational inconsistencies of Trump's statements starting at about 16:50 of the video, Wilkerson drops the bombshell at 17:10, "I still maintain that his principle purpose is to destroy the Republican Party. I think he has pulled the veil away from people like Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell and John McCain and a host of others. He is showing them for what they are. He is showing them for the venal, poisonous, uncaring human beings they are...."

Posted by: William Rood | Aug 4 2016 16:47 utc | 92

Off topic: Video - Graham Philips try to get interview with pro-ukraine propaganda channel in Germany, doesnt go so well..

Posted by: Mannie | Aug 4 2016 17:02 utc | 93

dahoit, 94 --

And a hearty "Shalom" to you, your expectant daughter your Hebrew son-in-law. It's a beautiful summer day here in the Delaware Valley.

Posted by: rufus magister | Aug 4 2016 23:41 utc | 94

in re 82

Well, you coulda looked at the article I linked to, as it actually does quote her and provide links to her statements.

But I think you’ll likely need this article to explain to you the obvious. And to unpack the assorted tendentious falsehoods that she’s crammed into her statements. Jill Stein and left wing antivaccine dog whistles The author “orac” is not a pundit, but science blogger.

Here is her answering the WaPo’s follow-up questions, after the controversy around her Reddit AMA arose. It’s a bit shorter and tighter than Reddit.

“I think there’s no question that vaccines have been absolutely critical in ridding us of the scourge of many diseases — smallpox, polio, etc. So vaccines are an invaluable medication,” Stein said. “Like any medication, they also should be — what shall we say? — approved by a regulatory board that people can trust. And I think right now, that is the problem. That people do not trust a Food and Drug Administration, or even the CDC for that matter, where corporate influence and the pharmaceutical industry has a lot of influence.”

Orac had this to say about the Reddit conversation, which clearly applies to her subsequent statements.

Regular readers will recognize this as the gambit I like to call, "I’m not 'antivaccine.' I’m pro-safe vaccine and don’t trust the FDA and big pharma." I will grant that Dr. Stein was a little more—shall we say?—emphatic in her concession that vaccines do good than the average antivaccinationist.... However, the rest of her word salad above could be cribbed from any number of antivaccine websites. Hell, even Andrew Wakefield concedes that vaccines do good and claims not to be “antivaccine.” ...In other words, denying being antivaccine counts for nothing if you’re repeating antivaccine tropes. It’s standard practice among antivaccine activists.

...Jill Stein arguably [is] worse than Donald Trump in that she probably doesn’t believe the antivaccine BS she’s been laying down, but she lays it down anyway. In other words, she chooses to pander to antivaccine loons with antivaccine dog whistles for left wingers.

Do you see yourself in this statement? I think I detect a certain likeness in the rising pose.

Not surprisingly, Dr. Stein’s admirers leapt to her defense with scientifically ignorant assertions that she’s not antivaccine because she says she’s not antivaccine. For example, Dan Arel tried to argue that, sorry Clinton supporters, but Jill Stein is not the antivaccine presidential candidate, but even he was forced to admit her statements were "straight anti-vaxx pandering"....

Handy links there, too, BTW.

Here’s another science blogger and non-pundit making these points at somewhat shorter length, Jill Stein anti vaccine message – be aware progressives. Commenting also on the WaPo follow-up:

And there we go – vaccine denial. Long ago, I learned that when someone on the internet says "I believe in evolution (or vaccines or climate change or [etc.]), but...," everything after the "but" is all that matters.

...[S]he’s just parroting the lies of the anti-vaccine gang. The members of the FDA advisory committee on vaccines are all academic researchers from top level medical schools and research institutions. Since all Dr. Stein wants to do is pander to the leftists who have an ignorant fear of vaccines, she decided to not use that brilliant mind to actually see the facts about them.

in re 86 –

Current on all vaccinations, and keeping up with my meds, too, thank you very much. Just some under-the-counter all-natural products to help with the stresses of modern life.

Posted by: rufus magister | Aug 5 2016 0:24 utc | 95

rufus magister | Aug 4, 2016 8:24:52 PM @ 96

Well, you coulda looked at the article I linked to, as it actually does quote her and provide links to her statements.

I did.

But I think you’ll likely need this article to explain to you the obvious

What is "obvious" is Stein's own word's. What is also obvious in Weissmann's article (I read it before) is his self-aggrandized blinding, prejudicial scepticism. For example:

Others, like moving to 100 percent renewable energy by 2030 (while ditching nuclear), are deeply unrealistic, if admirable in spirit.

"Deeply unrealistic" perhaps to people who have "gotten used to" Wall Street fraud that never gets fixed, massively destructive wars expanding across the ME, and an economy stuck in reverse for 15 years.

She has said the "green" effort must be commensurate with that given to the Manhattan project.

I agree with her... completely. Have been saying the same thing here in our environmental work for some years now.

She is talking about doing what is possible, not what is our habit of "bureaucratically feasible", and she's nailed the most important endeavor of our time. Good for her!!!

And more than a few sound like they were hatched in an old Bay Area commune. Cut defense spending in half and close more than 700 foreign military bases? Sure, maybe after we get done levitating the Pentagon.

Nice snark, and a little depressing AFAIC.

Stein's said a lot more in detail where she'd propose cuts in Pentagon spending. Amongst biggest: massively reducing our nuke development. I don't know how much attention you pay to this, but we are quietly budgeting over a $trillion just for nukes in next 10 years. Whole lot of it is refurbishment "make work" programs.

She would redirect this $$ to developing a smart grid and "green" generation.

It's doable allright. Especially on this forum, where comment after comment for years laments US "empire"... someone comes along saying exactly what we need to do, with no support possible from the most corrupt of Corp. America (fossil fuel industry in particular), and she's shot down as a whacko... mis-characterizing her statements and ignoring detail in her other well documented positions your selected authors apparently "know too much" to bother reading.


The "anti-vaxxer" meme some of these guys have "stuck on her" came from 2 brief and short statements in forums on Reddit and the WP you cite.

I agree she mis-spoke about the mercury (although I haven't looked into this, I take your citations at their word). However, she also said this was something she looked at years ago... and after being front and center in Green party over 10 years now, this is the ONLY time she ever mentioned it.

Further, careful reading of her Reddit interview... she clearly was talking about regulatory approval of pharmaceuticals (NOT vaccines), which does have big problems. I've seen this front and center taking care of my Dad his last 5 years. Almost unbelievable what I saw.

It's EZ to be a critic. Be wary of skepticism becoming habitual, turning into cynicism that blinds.

Have you ever heard her speak? Seriously. Have you read her position papers on her website?

As to your statements she supports Homeopathy/Naturopathy research as though this is a "sin", I agree with her also on this: the AMA for decades has refused to acknowledge and embrace non-mainstream treatments that have proven effective. They are only recently beginning to come around on this.

And, there is vast amount of quackery and ripoffs in both these. All the more reason to subject them to higher scrutiny AND integrate those found beneficial into treatment.

Mayo embraces now both Homeopathy/Naturopathy treatments in some cases.

You may want to Google "integrative medicine", and read some of the in depth clinical studies. Mayo has several integrative centers now, and they've been successull... in some cases finding cures for serious conditions where traditional treatments have utterly failed or years, in some cases making things worse.

Posted by: jdmckay | Aug 5 2016 4:14 utc | 96

Here's the thing about Capt. Humayun Khan's unfortunate death in Iraq - the thing every non-U.S. reader of b's post should cement in their minds when it comes to most of America:

Americans equate Capt' Khan's death and his family's grief with a sacrifice that somehow contributed to their and every other America's liberty and freedom.

Do you understand how f*king sick and twisted a population has to be to believe that in any literal sense whatsoever? The founders of my country would heave their guts out in disgust if they knew the circumstances here.

Most of us who served in any capacity in the U.S. military were intelligent enough to recognize that we were not fighting for ANY American's 'liberty and freedom' in any war since WWII. We certainly would have, but that opportunity hasn't come up in over sixty years. All the wars the U.S. has been involved in since WW II had nothing to do with any American's liberty or freedom. In fact, in most of these useless wars, U.S. soldiers questioned whether they were even contributing to the host country's liberty, freedom or democracy. If not during, then it was apparent after-the-fact to these guys: their sacrifice was for NOTHING (except for their own sense of honor and duty).

Do the Khan's really think their son was so stupid to believe (as they clearly said) that he sacrificed his life for our (U.S. citizen's) freedom? Capt. Khan was a patriot and sounds like he was a good guy, but he did not in any way, shape or form protect ANYONE's freedom in the U.S. He obeyed orders and did his duty under the assumption that the U.S. motives were honorable. The entire planet (with an IQ over, say 40) NOW knows the U.S. motives were completely dishonorable, mostly served the interests of foreign nations (certainly not the U.S.) and the war was started with a lie and heavily censored the entire time to trick the U.S. populace into supporting the war.

Americans simply can't come to grips with the fact that they wasted Capt. Khan's life - his death in Iraq was completely meaningless. That doesn't mean he (and his parents) didn't sacrifice anything, but their sacrifice was WASTED. It's not his fault, it's the fault of his corrupt leaders. His motives were noble - I'm glad there are still people like that. But America must shake off the bizarre mentality that equates individual sacrifice to a justified, moral purpose for a war. How many times can the U.S. government continue to trick Americans this way? Is their stupidity and naivety that bottomless?

I have to go with William Rood@62 - "I don't think Trump will win this, because he either 1) does not want to or 2) is mentally ill." The first thing out of Trump's mouth (if he was such a patriot) should have been

"Why did we WASTE Capt. Khan's life? Why did we kill a million Iraqis? What purpose was served? Why has Iraq been a hell-hole for the last decade and why will it remain so for another decade (at least and if it still exists)? Who benefits? How did destroying Iraq help the people of the U.S.?

I know what the sado-neocons' answers are to all the above. I want to know why the neocons are not in front of a tribunal at the Hague? We should be debating Bush and Cheney's methods of execution for war crimes, genocide and crimes against humanity. Instead, we are to ignore the genocide of a million human beings because 14,000 U.S. soldiers (as well as thousands of other NATO soldiers) were suckered into dying for absolutely no reason of benefit to U.S. citizens? What sick mind thinks that duty and obedience to a corrupt government is 'reason enough'? Where is the Khan's outrage that their son's live was wasted for absolutely no reason in Iraq?

I honestly thought Vietnam was going to wake enough Americans up to the two distinct notions of patriotic sacrifice and the wast of those lives in immoral, unjust wars that have not accomplished a single thing in sixty years.

Americans just don't get it, and that makes us the most dangerous country on earth: an entire nation of non-critically-thinking imbeciles willing to kill and die for a corrupt, immoral, usurped leadership under the delusion that this somehow serves some higher moral or ethical purpose. The U.S. has turned into a damn cult!

Oh yeah... and we have nukes. Lots of nukes.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Aug 5 2016 5:50 utc | 97

in re 97 --

No ear for dog whistles, I see.

Posted by: rufus magister | Aug 5 2016 6:20 utc | 98

@ PavewayIV

I feel your pain. I think your reference to the cult in America is exactly right and the cult that is being supported by the 99.9% of the US is private finance, private property and inheritance. The global plutocrats that own and run everything have brainwashed the public into focusing on everything but the underpinning of the cult of the Gawd of Mammon that gives us greed, societal classes, overarching competition and an evolutionary dead end.

Yeah, and the global cult families will use American nukes to protect itself. The bastards!

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 5 2016 6:43 utc | 99


Meanwhile, the Untouchable Caste in Exceptionalist Hindustan is protesting about having no civil status, but yet being forced to clean out pit toilets by hand and remove dead animal carcasses, for whatever pfennigs they can muster by skinning them, for which they're being beaten in the streets by the Brahmans and arrested by the police ... just like your "99% of the US" who are protesting shit wages with no social support net, a ridiculed civil status, pissed on by Wall Street, shot to death by police, and their 'voting rights' a laugh-attack for Mil.Gov.Fed Brahmans. All of which seems to be a perverse sign from Gawd to you, ney?

Posted by: Alison DeBeers | Aug 5 2016 7:26 utc | 100

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