U.S. Considers "Pause" In Supplies For Group Beheading Sick Child
Yesterday some ten year old kid in Syria was beheaded by U.S. supported "moderate rebels".
The "rebels" alleged that the boy was a fighter for a Palestinian group on the Syrian government side. But the boy looks very small and weak, has infusion tubes in his arm and no military attributes like a uniform or weapons.
There is now additional information about the case:
8:08 AM - 20 Jul 2016 Elijah J. Magnier @EjmAlrai
#Palestinian child, Abdullah Issa, was at Hospital, beheaded by Mateen al-Nahlawee coz his father is a militant.
#Palestinian Abdullah Issa was suffering from lack of oxygen n the bloodstream causes thalassemias and needed blood transfusion every month+
He was not fighting among Al-Quds pro-gov group but his father. He was a patient at the Hospital in #Aleppo when beheaded by pro-#US Zinki.
The five "individuals" who killed the child are members of the Harakat Nour al-Din al-Zenki, a group supported by the CIA as well as with Saudi money and weapons. The group issued a statement on the case. It called it "an act of an individual" and blamed the "international community" for its problems. While only one person does the cutting the video shows that the five "individuals" are clearly acting as a group, cheering Takbeer and Allahu Akbar during and after the beheading.
Despite the publicly available video and the statement by the Zinki group leaders admitting the case, the U.S. State Department had only a very subdued response to it:
QUESTION: Is this the kind of thing that would affect assistance, U.S. assistance to this specific group but also just in general to the FSA?
MR TONER: Well, I think we’d take a – if, as you said, if we can prove that this was indeed what happened and this group was involved in it, I think it would certainly give us pause.
QUESTION: It would give you pause?
MR TONER: Well, give us pause about any assistance or, frankly, any further involvement with this group.
QUESTION: So, in other words, so it will draw – there will be some kind of consequence if you’re satisfied that this actually happened?
MR TONER: I can’t – again, I can’t say what that consequence will be, but it will certainly give us, as I said, serious pause and we’ll look at, frankly, any affiliation or cooperation with this group we may have going forward, if these allegations are proven true.
We may expect, says the State Department, a "serious pause" in the delivery of new lethal U.S. weapons to the group. Will a day or two do?
And here is how a western expert, who is paid by Qatar and other Gulf states to support the head choppers, responds to the case:
8:17 AM - 19 Jul 2016 Charles Lister @Charles_ListerZinki’s beheading is 100% reprehensible. Simple.
But for #Assad supporters to suddenly claim the moral high-ground is rank hypocrisy.
7:04 AM - 19 Jul 2016 Charles Lister @Charles_ListerAnd yes - today’s event notwithstanding - I stand by this statement. Comparing ISIS/AQ to these groups *is* absurd.
Amnesty International provides material that proves how both, Zinki and ISIS, abduct people, torture and commit summary mass killings. But the Islamic State is bound by a brutal but strict interpretation of Islamic law. It would likely never behead a sick child on camera for the fun of it. Neither has any element of the Syrian state ever done such crime.
Comparing the Zinki group to the Syrian government or even the Islamic State savages is indeed absurd.
Posted by b on July 20, 2016 at 16:44 UTC | Permalink
Just a pause for a child decapitated? War crime condemnation does not apply when the victim is a Palestinian. Israel has taught us that for decades.
Posted by: virgile | Jul 20 2016 16:58 utc | 2
There were five in the video, but I had a sense that they were performing for a larger group of bystanders, perhaps more of our freedom fighters.
Posted by: chuckvw | Jul 20 2016 17:08 utc | 3
Moderate "Rebels" doing moderate head chopping of a sick 11 year Palestinian child, we will pause and then start the killing by supplying cluster bombs and other killing machines.
First condition for pause is "if proven" which will not be possible. Also, we will use an excuse of Assad is brutal so we must be like him or less than him. We don't need any evidence to prove Assad is brutal because we said he is brutal.
The war criminals of the world will try to save other war criminals and try to take "high moral ground" in killing innocent people.
Shame on these bastards, their supporters and US policy. Neocon Zionist must have slept very well after the child was killed. Ford and Roth, start carrying the water.
Posted by: RedSquare | Jul 20 2016 17:17 utc | 4
Simple--the dead boy died as a direct result of Obama's policy, so Obama should suffer the same fate. No, he should be made to watch as his daughters and wife are beheaded in such a manner then locked in a cell with their remains. Too gruesome you say. Too unsavory to post for others to read? The history of Colonialism is full of such inhumanity; unfortunately, that history has yet to end.
Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 20 2016 18:08 utc | 5
There's no hope for change of policy yet. It's only two days ago that the new British Foreign Minister, Boris Johnson, suddenly changed his opinion of december that a new policy is necessary, to the old, that Asad must go. A notorious liar, but nevertheless he said what he was told. Eternal war, and millions more refugees, is the standard British policy, presumably what they were told by Washington.
Posted by: Laguerre | Jul 20 2016 18:13 utc | 6
I can't deduce people's religion or philosophy by merely looking at them. They have to do something which might provide a clue. Killing a sick Palestinian boy for a childishly irrational reason sounds just as "Israeli" to me as all the anti-Islam vandalism perpetrated by Obama's Humanitarian, alphabet soup, Jihadis. If Obama's anti-Syrian Jihadis hated "Israel" as much as they claim to do, the evidence is decidedly underwhelming.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 20 2016 19:18 utc | 7
Boris Johnson asks Russia to work with the UK to remove Bashar al Assad. What on earth is he talking about?
Posted by: virgile | Jul 20 2016 19:25 utc | 8
Moshe Dayan is said to have recommended that "Israel" must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.
Nice one, Moshe. The dream of Inglourious Basterdry came true, in a Yinon-ish kind of way...
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 20 2016 19:36 utc | 9
Wait...
If Turkey is turning toward Russia/Iran, as some here claim, then the proxy war in Syria is lost, isn't it?
So why wouldn't USA harshly condemning this barbarous act?
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Is the refusal to condemn the beheading a clue as to what is really happening in Turkey?
Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 20 2016 19:45 utc | 10
Meanwhile Frnce blows 100+ Syrian civilians to smithereens.
And the US add another 76
http://news.antiwar.com/2016/07/19/us-airstrikes-kill-76-civilians-in-northern-syria/
"The increased death tolls come after an April decision to dramatically expand the rules of engagement, and introduce a “sliding scale” of the number of civilians US forces are allowed to kill based on the target of the attack."
Posted by: Yonatan | Jul 20 2016 19:56 utc | 11
thanks b for highlighting this..
toner comes across as a complete buffoon - good rep for the usa state dept, i must say!
they can spin it or put whatever lipstick they want on it - the usa/cia is responsible for much of the reprehensible actions in syria and this is one more to add to a long list. regime change ain't pretty when you look at it more closely.
@ 8 virgile.. thanks for clarifying how boris is good are regurgitating the official line in his new role as head stooge for the mil and the 1%.. i guess that is why he got the gig!
Posted by: james | Jul 20 2016 19:57 utc | 12
re 8. I don't think Boris is now asking for Russian cooperation. Now he is Foreign Minister, all former ideas are abandoned. Official policy is where it's at.
Posted by: Laguerre | Jul 20 2016 19:57 utc | 13
All of these atrocities will be forgotten tomorrow, and the USA will keep supplying and encouraging its junkyard dogs like nothing happened. Kudos to this blog for keeping spotlight on this evil.
Posted by: telescope | Jul 20 2016 20:13 utc | 14
And of course, the "Assad must first go" crowd cannot answer the next question which is "who takes over" without resorting to fantasies about "moderate groups" and unicorns.
Posted by: Erelis | Jul 20 2016 20:20 utc | 15
On a side note; Israeli terrorists do the same depraved evil, all day every day - to Palestinian children. Torture, starvation, burning alive, bombing to smithereens.
There is no way the evil US Empire feels a "moment" of guilt about this. If you include the Congo genocide of at least 6 million, which the US is the power behind, then they are used to this and want simply want more of general slaughter and depravity.
War is the purest evil. And I demand that videos of all wars, as much as possible, br available to watch to the adult public.
Posted by: tom | Jul 20 2016 20:33 utc | 17
..36 hours on and still no coverage from 'The Guardian'.
Posted by: bassalt | Jul 20 2016 20:38 utc | 18
http://www.joshualandis.com/blog/marie-colvins-death-tragic-random/
If not for this website many stories would have been lost to the propagandists
Posted by: Mina | Jul 20 2016 20:54 utc | 19
@17 There are plenty of war videos available on youtube. A lot of the adult public find them entertaining.
Posted by: dh | Jul 20 2016 20:59 utc | 20
Simple--the dead boy died as a direct result of Obama's policy, so Obama should suffer the same fate. No, he should be made to watch as his daughters and wife are beheaded in such a manner then locked in a cell with their remains.
Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 20, 2016 2:08:29 PM | 5
Jaysus Effin christ, you're little better than the headchoppers
Too gruesome you say. Too unsavory to post for others to read? The history of Colonialism is full of such inhumanity; unfortunately, that history has yet to end.
So the answer to sick twisted Imperialism is more sick twisted shit?
Who ya workin for?
Posted by: DownWithThat | Jul 20 2016 21:31 utc | 21
250,000 Americans are maimed and murdered by medical malpractice every year.
Oh well.
74 Americans are beheaded by prescription opiods every day, week after week.
Oh well.
Nearly 100,000 Islamic 'persons of interest' were murdered by US-NATO last year.
Oh well.
"We'll have to look into this, ...but no it won't change our Exceptionally Uber policy."
Posted by: Cho Nyawinh | Jul 20 2016 22:36 utc | 22
Might I point out that there is only one political candidate in America who will end support of,and take out,these mercenary scum.
Donald Trump.It is amazing how much mud the Zionists are flinging at his wife for a stump speech that every political wife cribs from another.
I know the pure of essence hate him,but its not time for purity,but smart tough tactics to defeat the HB in November.I think the man quite up to the job.
How the hell does one chop off the head of a sick 12 twelve year old kid?
And yes,the MSm keeps turning the page,but lately its necessity for the plethora of terrorist actions.How can the peoples of Europe and America not make the connection between HRCs serial screwups and the refugee and terror spikes?Everything she touches goes up in smoke.
A psycho hose beast.
Posted by: dahoit | Jul 20 2016 22:59 utc | 23
dahoit | Jul 20, 2016 6:59:42 PM | 23
"a stump speech that every political wife cribs from another."
What are you talking about?
Give us examples of when the following "political wives" cribbed from others:
1. Jackie Kennedy
2. Ladybird Johnson
3. Patrician Nixon
4. Betty Ford
5. Rosalynn Carter
6. Nancy Reagan
7. Hil
8. Laura Bush
9. Michelle Obama
Well wait . . .
The american mainstream right never had a huge problem with supporting this sort of group. But there was opposition and it wasn't simply accepted. A lot of Church Committee/Pike committee members had their political careers ended by the deep state, maybe that marks the changing of opinions? I don't know. But now even the so called left of the democratic party is mostly fine with continued support of groups that are known to civilians.
How do you exit this paradigm where anything done against the monsterized enemy state is acceptable?
Posted by: Cresty | Jul 20 2016 23:48 utc | 25
DownWithThatSortOfThing @21
Have you ever seen any remorse expressed by ANY high official of the Outlaw US Empire over the millions of deaths, tens of millions of maimed, and dozens of millions displaced with lives ruined forever? Or any high official from any former/current Colonial nation? No. They snicker instead and gloat--HRC's cackling over Libya and Ghaddafi is an excellent example. IMO, such people cannot be classified as humans and ought to be treated like the ultra disgusting inhumane animals they are--often described as rabid animals requiring the treatment such animals warrant. If I could've commented on the Nuremburg Trials, I'd have advocated gas then incineration for those sentenced to death. To my mind, there's absolutely no difference between Hitler's savages and neoliberalcons--A whole long train of Outlaw US Empire presidents and high officials have killed many, many more than the Nazis did. I'm sick of it; the world's sick of it; why aren't you sick of it and as enraged as most normal humans ought to be?
Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 21 2016 0:06 utc | 26
Twitter Fuat Avni caught
Holders of the controversial Twitter account under the name of Fuat Avni (@fuatavni_f), which has extensively been used by Gülenists for manipulative propaganda and intimidation purposes, were reportedly captured in an operation late Tuesday.
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Other sources reported that the main figure running the account was Akif Mustafa Koçyiğit, who was working as the head of collection center of the Prime Ministry, a key position where intelligence is gathered.
Posted by: virgile | Jul 21 2016 1:53 utc | 27
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D, as much as I respect your other opinions, Trump has promised Pence not only the VP position, but setting his daily tasks to include both national and international policy, while Trump is busy building his new Trump Macao, because Atlantic City and Vegas are dead busted broke. Pence is an affirmed NeoCon, Pence voted for the Oil Wars, Pence voted for the Patriot Act, he supports TPP, and longs for a Yinon Plan Two-Front War Profiteer Wehrmacht. Pence is to Trump what Biden is to Obama, a NeoCon handler.
That's not to say Hillary doesn't want exactly the same YPWPW, and that her VP choice won't be a Chosen of NeoCon. It will. Both Trump and Clinton sold their children into The Tribe. Think about the odds: 2% of the US population are now 100% of the candidate's grandchildren. Both Trump and Clinton are financially beholden to The Tribe. Trump is a 'billionaire' like a injury-retired steel worker 'owns' his home, ...until the next payment comes due. Hillary was handed her US Senator from NY position in return for her husband's capitulation on Gramm-Leich-Bliley. Historically, you can follow this back to 1982, when Reagan put Greenspan and the Dirty Boys in charge.
It's been nothing but nuns pushed out of helicopters since that day of infamy. Red Army, Blue Army, same Soviet.
Trump or Clinton will work a Pivot to Asia, expand TPP, delabel GMOs, dismember Dodd-Frank, diminish Wall Street capitalization requirements, and extent ZIRP/NIRP's hyper-bubble. Of course, that forces the Fifth Quintile to withdraw savings and pump equities, then sell their portfolio for cash to live on until a Crash, leaving nothing for the next generation of American Kulaks, except pole-dancing, Fiverr and Uber/Lyft credit-debt gig slavery.
You know that's true. We all do. We'll all be Pokemon Go'ing for gigs after the Great Riff-Down. 2016, as others pointed out, will be America's coup de grace. There's no point in even recording the apocalypse, as there will be nobody left to read it, except some tagged hieroglyphics in abandoned barrio warehouses, while The Chosen excavate their rewritten-wayback-historical 'proof' that 'G-d Gave The Chosen the West', and 'There Never Was a 'Dream'.
Posted by: TheOtherChipher | Jul 21 2016 2:26 utc | 28
TOC@28: Nice rant, and true. Trump or HRC, they work for the same crowd, and it isn't rank and file U$A.
Posted by: ben | Jul 21 2016 2:50 utc | 29
The phrase "give us pause" is an english-language idiom.
It doesn't literally mean "We'll stop what we are doing" but, rather, it means "we'll probably have to think long and hard about whether - or not, as the case may be - we should stop doing what we are doing."
So it means even less than A Day's Pause.
More like: We'll think about it, OK, stop bugging us about it!
Posted by: Yeah, Right | Jul 21 2016 4:32 utc | 31
Re: Posted by: Laguerre | Jul 20, 2016 3:57:42 PM | 13
Don't give up on Boris just yet. He won't have changed his mind just like that. If he was to speak out against official Government policy he'd immediately lose his job!
What would be the point of that now he's finally got a degree of influence?
Expect to see him visiting Putin/Lavrov in the next few months to see what they have to say.
If he wants a change in UK policy (and by extension US policy - which he won't get unless Trump is elected), he needs to work behind the scenes to convince the likes of May that a change in policy is required.
The fact Hammond is now Chancellor doesn't bode well for that eventuality, but it's worth trying isn't it.
No point trying to publicly dictate a change of policy to May from the bully pulpit and losing the influence you've just gained!!
Give him sometime to work behind the scenes.
At least until the US Election is decided, anything he says simply isn't that important.
' But the Islamic State is bound by a brutal but strict interpretation of Islamic law. It would likely never behead a sick child on camera for the fun of it. Neither has any element of the Syrian state ever done such crime.'
so worse than ISIS?!
Posted by: brian | Jul 21 2016 7:13 utc | 33
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Donald Trump.It is amazing how much mud the Zionists are flinging at his wife for a stump speech...
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Posted by: dahoit | Jul 20, 2016 6:59:42 PM | 23
Mrs Trump's speech was Parody ... an ironic response to Obama's broken Hopey-Changey promises. The fact that it was too subtle for pro-Israel Right-wing Cranks (who take themselves far too seriously) to comprehend the fact that her speech was a send-up is hardly surprising.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 21 2016 9:22 utc | 34
Amnesty International had a report about the beheading on its website under
The report is no longer available at amnesty.org - Page not found
Amnesty Ireland still carries it
https://www.amnesty.ie/latest/news/2016/07/20/syria-video-showing-beheading-boy-evidence-abuses-armed-groups/
b, at your link ...
“Internationally, states taking part in talks over the Syria conflict must use any influence they have to pressure all armed groups engaged in the conflict to end violations of international humanitarian law including abductions, torture and other ill-treatment.”
How about the groups - US/UK/KSA/EU/UAE/Turkey - arming and funding mercenary terrorists to brutally murder civilians and devastate Syria, and Yemen, and Libya ... just stop.
American neo-cons are ultimately responsible for all the sorrows in the MENA and Ukraine. They must be purged from power, tried for their crimes, and those found guilty 'awarded' the maximum possible sentences.
Posted by: jfl | Jul 21 2016 10:20 utc | 36
more than 6 million Palestinians live in a global diaspora, the vast majority purged from their homeland since that shitty little country called Israel was cobbled together in 1948.
i can barely imagine what it would be like lying weakened in the back of some pickup truck, blood transfusion tubes in my arms, war raging all around, surrounded by scowling, unfriendly faces wielding a blade at my throat...
...12 years old with perhaps some inkling of my right of return.
...
yep, more legacy building in the West...
every child left behind.
Posted by: john | Jul 21 2016 10:32 utc | 37
@34 hw, 'Mrs Trump's speech was Parody ... an ironic response to Obama's broken Hopey-Changey promises. ..'
That was exactly my first thought. And it is parody, self-parody, but parody nonetheless. And it hits home. The Obama show, voted the 'best advertising campaign of the year', for each of its two presentations, I believe - by the pros, in the know! - has now set the (limbo) bar lower still for all that follow, and Trump's campaign is 'doing great'. But we ain't seen nothin' yet, I'm sure. Hillary Kiloton to come!
In truth there is not a dime's worth of difference between the two, but they have refined the meaningless, the superficial to its very vanishing point. Now if they'd both just pull themselves through their naked singularity and just vanish themselves.
They won't, but with Kiloton at a 53% negative rating and the Don at 60% there is a very good chance this time for the 'neithers' to outpoll both of them. I think we need to go for it, for real : 31% elephant, 32% jackass, and 37% 'neither' would be so sweet, so fine. Could even be 33% Stein! I'd take that in preference to the elephant or the jackass, 8 more years of environmental denial, innumerable more 'triumphs' of the financiers, and WW III.
Posted by: jfl | Jul 21 2016 11:09 utc | 38
Here they go again.. "Beheading of child by Nour al-Deen Zenki fighters horrible; shows depravity of many fighters these days. No discipline, rampant cruelty"
http://angryarab.blogspot.nl/2016/07/human-rights-watch-director-in-beirut.html
disgust.
Posted by: Mina | Jul 21 2016 12:21 utc | 39
charles lister is among one of the worst, more woefully biased journalists that i've ever read.
Posted by: Au | Jul 21 2016 17:03 utc | 40
It's the nature of fascists. They can't help themselves.
Posted by: Bob In Portland | Jul 21 2016 22:53 utc | 41
been daily following the united states and israel's wars since 2000, never really like to focus on the imagery but damn that video knocked the wind out me.
Posted by: pA | Jul 21 2016 23:21 utc | 42
Syrian opposition calls for suspension of U.S.-led air strikes
The head of the opposition Syrian National Coalition called for a suspension of the U.S.-led air campaign against Islamic State in Syria while reports of dozens of civilian deaths from air strikes around the northern city of Manbij are investigated.“(Syria) condemns, with the strongest terms, the two bloody massacres perpetrated by the French and U.S. warplanes and those affiliated to the so-called international coalition which send their missiles and bombs to the civilians instead of directing them to the terrorist gangs,” it said in a letter sent to the United Nations this week, according to state news agency SANA.
Looks like the Syrian government and the opposition have found something they can agree on : the US/UK/FR aggression in Syria must end. Maybe Assad ought to pick up the phone, call his new best friend Erdogan, and ask him to kick the US/UK/FR/KSA ... el al., their planes, and their B61s out of Incirlik?
Posted by: jfl | Jul 22 2016 1:07 utc | 43
Re Turkey coup--
How Sybil Edmonds traced "Erdogan flees Turkey"-rumor and found the source.
Her technique to "locate source" indicated straight away the rumor as an actual false-report.
Then she arranged to confront the source. Such technology can cancel any future effectiveness of a discredited source by making the facts widely known.
Here is her report:
http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2016/07/21/newsbud-demands-public-retraction-from-nbc-for-unethical-false-reporting/
This is OK to put in your toolbox.
Posted by: chu teh | Jul 22 2016 7:13 utc | 44
Kobani on msm asking for a plan to replace daesh administration after they leave and pause in bombings after so called mistakes or collateral casualties by french and us planes. Add the delay of 2 days given to the djihadists to evacuate . Sounds like corridor and no fly zone in preparation
Posted by: Mina | Jul 22 2016 8:55 utc | 45
Posted by: Louis Proyect | Jul 22 2016 20:59 utc | 46
Final word on who this boy was
http://www.joshualandis.com/blog/boy-beheaded-zinki-fighters-abdullah-tayseer-ehsani2/
Sorry to see that someone who can justify beheadings on age ground is allowed to work as a journalist
Posted by: Mina | Jul 23 2016 21:31 utc | 47
@47 mina
The neo-cons of the United States of America are ultimately responsible for every death in the Middle East since 2003. Many more as well, of course, but for all those certainly.
The US Neo-Cons 'enjoy' a place right next to the German NAZIs in the 'pantheon' of monstrous, misshapen demon-gods of Western Civilization.
Posted by: jfl | Jul 23 2016 23:10 utc | 48
just letting you know Louis Proyecr takes an interest on MOA even if only to attack it
https://louisproyect.org/2016/07/22/the-beheading-of-a-palestinian-child-by-syrian-rebels-none-of-it-is-true-except-the-beheading/
Proyect does his best to show concern for the people of syria, while rejecting their will in the best benevolent dictatorial manner
Posted by: brian | Jul 24 2016 22:25 utc | 49
Posted by: Louis Proyect | Jul 22, 2016 4:59:59 PM | 46
speak of the devil and hes sure to appear!
Posted by: brian | Jul 24 2016 22:26 utc | 50
There was no "pause" in U.S. supplies for the child beheading group Zinki.
It just published a fresh video of a TOW launch against a Syrian government target. TOWs are Saudi paid but U.S. supplied.
b | Jul 28, 2016 10:42:38 AM | 51
It would appear they missed, yes?
Posted by: V. Arnold | Jul 28 2016 15:22 utc | 52
One thing that stands out is; the TOW takes a lot of set up, as opposed to shoulder, aim, lock, and fire.
Posted by: V. Arnold | Jul 28 2016 15:29 utc | 53
Interesting,
Trump will look into recognizing Crimea to be part of Russia,
http://sputniknews.com/politics/20160728/1043723486/trump-russia-crimea-comments.html
Could he though might be the correct question?
Posted by: Rebel1 | Jul 28 2016 16:58 utc | 54
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here is a video of the boy being taken from his hospital bed, please use discretion when you view this https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/755800220391186433/755800220391186433_NloOMDTNAg-KYqZ7.mp4
Posted by: papa | Jul 20 2016 16:53 utc | 1