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July 23, 2016
Open Thread 2016-24
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US vice-president’s trip triggers debate on US-China conflict
Nuclear might well have some benefits. These people are sick and must be removed from power. Posted by: jfl | Jul 23 2016 7:22 utc | 1 … Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 23 2016 8:18 utc | 2 @2 hoarse,
What’s the Australian Financial Review (AFR)? Posted by: jfl | Jul 23 2016 8:45 utc | 3 “People in our capital city have different mentalities to those in other countries.” Posted by: jfl | Jul 23 2016 10:09 utc | 4 @2 hoarse, ‘it is IMPOSSIBLE for AmeriKKKa’s Deluded DayDreamers to prevent China from retaliating to Yankee aggression by Nuking as much of AmeriKKKa as necessary to help them sober up’
I think they’re right back there again today, with the same ‘rocket scientists’ who run the hedge funds calculating the margins on their games of nuclear chicken with both Russia and China. Difference is that when this blows up in their faces it won’t be a question of buying the congress and the fed, it’ll be a question of their bending over and kissing their asses goodbye. The rest of us will never know what hit us. If we’re lucky. Posted by: jfl | Jul 23 2016 11:51 utc | 5 What’s the Australian Financial Review (AFR)? Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 23 2016 12:20 utc | 7 During the Blizzard of Bullshit which preceded the Iraq Fake War, Howard’s minions called for the sacking of a young ABC.au reporter, Leigh Sales, for describing Oz’s ADF forces as “Australia’s Soldiers” instead of “Our Troops”. ABC (bless their Hearts) backs its staffers to the hilt and Ms Sales is a permanent thorn in the side of Rabid Right Wing Ideologues in Oz. And she does it all, very respectfully, by merely asking the right question (at the ‘wrong’ time) and waiting in silence for the predictably rabid answer. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 23 2016 12:45 utc | 8 Reconciliation!!! What kind of talk is that? Posted by: dh | Jul 23 2016 13:17 utc | 9 IMO, the fate of the world depends on the U$A/Russia/China triad, and, whether or not they’ll let each other exist, and split the world three ways. Capturing market share, is the “game” for all three,and, that’s what’s causing most of the friction around the globe. Posted by: ben | Jul 23 2016 14:30 utc | 10 @5 jfl, note how true polk is as seen by the red-baiting by Krugman, Goldberg, etc., of Trump who simply said he would not reflexively invade Russia b/c of some incident in Latvia. any sign of backing off makes his gov’t illegitimate. Posted by: jason | Jul 23 2016 14:38 utc | 11 The problem here is that the majority of this country cannot comprehend the articles coming out of the truth movement. They got shorted in the brain department. Trump knows this and speaks to them at a 4th grade level. My old boss knew that so when he asked me to make a sign and I handed it over, he chuckled at me. He said, you wrote it for you. Now make one for the people who come here. Posted by: Barbara | Jul 23 2016 15:11 utc | 12 Buenos Aires Herald; 20 Jul.: Posted by: Maracatu | Jul 23 2016 15:23 utc | 13 Turkey’s failed coup: A victory for ISIS Posted by: virgile | Jul 23 2016 15:34 utc | 14 I’m not entirely convinced that Gulenists played a *determining, major* role in this failed coup. Erdogan obviously has interests in blaming ‘foreign influence, infiltration, etc.’ – yet he is so panicked he sounds genuine (not that I speak T. or anything, off the cuff feel). Hiis ‘purge’ seems to be >> removing both Gulenists and Kemalists, not that I can really judge that either, just a general impression from a trawl on the intertubes. Posted by: Noirette | Jul 23 2016 15:50 utc | 15 Assad’s tone in his interview with Cuban media does not sound like any reconciliation with Turkey is one the menu (+mention of the 1000s djihadists sent from Turkey to Aleppo in the last few months) Posted by: Mina | Jul 23 2016 16:36 utc | 16 Islamists at War in Turkey
http://lobelog.com/islamists-at-war-in-turkey/ Posted by: virgile | Jul 23 2016 16:39 utc | 17 Mina Posted by: virgile | Jul 23 2016 17:24 utc | 18 “(CNN)ISIS is claiming responsibility for killing dozens of people during a peaceful demonstration by a minority group in Kabul, Afghanistan, Saturday. Posted by: ALberto | Jul 23 2016 17:26 utc | 19 Lol Putin concedes to Washington again, and today there’s been another bomb that killed 38 Syrian troops,and only a few days after USA vaporized 200+ civilians in a bombing run Posted by: bbbb | Jul 23 2016 18:17 utc | 21 @20 nmb Posted by: jfl | Jul 23 2016 21:41 utc | 22 Political prisoners Leonard Peltier and Mumia Abul Jamal, Russian pilot Saroshenko, Anonymous hero Jeremy Hammond, and many who only took drugs or sold them remain in the for-profit-prisons while the true criminals roam free and even seek to enslave us further. Posted by: Cecil the Lion | Jul 23 2016 22:13 utc | 23 @15 Noirette, ‘Erdogan is in a extremely poor position’ Posted by: jfl | Jul 23 2016 23:21 utc | 24 Nice Bastille Day attack and Munich shooting documented by the same photographer, whose wife is ex-Unit 8200 and also a former knesset member: Posted by: RudyM | Jul 24 2016 0:32 utc | 25 @23 Posted by: Eddie Slovik | Jul 24 2016 2:37 utc | 27 @25 Veeeerry interesting. I smellith a rat — again. That videographer sure gets around doesn’t he? But I’m just another “conspiracy theorist”, as the CIA would say. Posted by: Eddie Slovik | Jul 24 2016 2:40 utc | 28 Hollande, the neoliberal, is a far cry from Jaures. The French Social Democrats have a way to go though before the reach the depths plumbed by the Germans, who used the Freikorps to defeat the German Revolution, isolating the Soviets. Posted by: rufus magister | Jul 24 2016 3:09 utc | 30 @29 goldie @28 eddie @25 rudy Posted by: jfl | Jul 24 2016 4:28 utc | 31 But I would fret about the Donbas just a bit more. Things are definitely not cooling off, in mid-July the Russian Federation was working through the Normandy group to dial it back. Donetsk Shelled by Day as UAF continue to concentrate forces before it.
While folks wait on more data to see if The Donald is a fascist, here’s a test problem to limber you up. The new leader of Ukrainian neo-Nazis and the Third Maidan, writes Eduard Popov, is Andre Biletsky, of the Azov Battalion.
The Fort Russ Sitrep cited above has a bit of news about them. “In other extraordinary news, the Interior Minister of Ukraine, Arsen Avakov, promised the Azov nationalist regiment helicopters.” Posted by: rufus magister | Jul 24 2016 4:48 utc | 32 @9 dh.. fascinating.. thanks! oh to be young and receptive to change and being flexible.. i thought she was a real zealot for most all the time, but this shows a chink in her armour, or a human face behind the mask.. Posted by: james | Jul 24 2016 5:40 utc | 33 I care about what the definition of fascist is, and I don’t see how it fits Obama or Mrs. Clinton. Posted by: rufus magister | Jul 24 2016 6:21 utc | 34 Militants call on Libyans to mobilize against foreign forces
It’s that last paragraph … ‘The two governments achieved a consensus on forming the GNA last December after months of United Nations-brokered talks to restore order to the country.‘ … that makes me wonder, again, about the Iranian Press TV. They used to print all sorts of questionable stuff, but over the past six months or so I’d been reading the news there without choking. Posted by: jfl | Jul 24 2016 6:51 utc | 35 5 and 25 Posted by: Cho Nyawinh | Jul 24 2016 7:20 utc | 36 IRGC busts terror cells, kills 23 in northwest Iran
I find this very interesting. Posted by: jfl | Jul 24 2016 11:58 utc | 37 jfl, here are a couple sources that link Gutjahr to both events:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/07/multiple-people-killed-shooting-munich-shopping-mall
http://www.nytimes.com/live/truck-plows-into-crowd-in-nice-france/video-bodies/
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Think-About-It-Parliamentary-oversight-of-foreign-policy-413743 Posted by: RudyM | Jul 24 2016 14:04 utc | 38 (Speaking of edits, I meant to edit out “but it might have been added by unreliable sources” after I checked the cached copy and found the citation for that claim about Unit 8200.) Posted by: RudyM | Jul 24 2016 14:10 utc | 39 @38 @39 RudyM Posted by: jfl | Jul 24 2016 14:51 utc | 40 I think Gutjahr and Wilf are part of these operations and that these things are made to happen by intelligence agencies (presumably with Mossad involvement in these cases), but I don’t no if that’s proveable. I don’t think it’s just a case of Wilf advancing her husband’s career by giving him hot inside tips. I think we’ve seen this before where the people who happened to be around to document some false flag or hoax (or what some of us suspect to be a false flag or hoax) have very suspicious connections themsleves. Posted by: RudyM | Jul 24 2016 15:34 utc | 41 Machete-wielding man kills 1, injures 2 in Reutlingen, Germany Posted by: Zedew | Jul 24 2016 16:34 utc | 42 TEHRAN (FNA)- “Hundreds of Iraqi fighters have arrived in the ancient city of Palmyra (Tadmur) to join the Syrian government forces’ fight against ISIL terrorists in Eastern Homs, military sources announced. Posted by: ALberto | Jul 24 2016 18:00 utc | 43 Does anyone familiar with Germany know if “777” or “777 777” just happens to be associated with emergency vehicles? Posted by: RudyM | Jul 24 2016 22:43 utc | 44 @41 RudyM, ‘In the case of 9/11 I feel pretty confident in saying that it was made to happen’ Posted by: jfl | Jul 24 2016 23:45 utc | 45 Hammond warns of Brexit global ‘shadow,’ says is mulling trade deal with China
Bre’re Rabbit waves across the Atlantic to Bre’er Fox from the briarpatch. Those ignorant, working class people made us do it …. so we’ll just have to carry on, make the best of it! Posted by: jfl | Jul 25 2016 0:46 utc | 46 Here are a couple of links Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 25 2016 3:52 utc | 47 A link from ZH Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 25 2016 4:11 utc | 48 I read this link from the BBC about the latest Turkey CHP organized demonstration that was subsequently backed by the AK party and the government let speeches be broadcast live. Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 25 2016 6:17 utc | 49 @49 psycho Posted by: jfl | Jul 25 2016 7:27 utc | 50 @48 add to that a great Orlov interview on Max Keiser Posted by: bbbb | Jul 25 2016 8:06 utc | 51 Al Nusra Front officially splits from Al Qaeda Posted by: Les | Jul 25 2016 18:19 utc | 52 Excellent article on Israeli/Wahabist mirroring by Lawrence Davidson at consortiumnews, Israel’s Tightening But Weakening Grip. Posted by: jfl | Jul 26 2016 4:42 utc | 54 Here is a link to an article describing how the Chinese currency will be integrated at the end of September into the IMF SDR valuations which are then fixed for 5 years. Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 26 2016 5:04 utc | 55 Confirmed: Amidst sharpening crisis, Poroshenko and co. have left Ukraine
The rats are leaving the sinking ship. Putin is not going to Brazil. Probably unrelated. Posted by: jfl | Jul 26 2016 5:44 utc | 56 Hostage takers broke into a Church in northern France, and slit the priest’s throat. Posted by: anon | Jul 26 2016 11:18 utc | 57 Did Kerry one moment expect Russia to accept this?? Posted by: From The Hague | Jul 26 2016 11:56 utc | 58 And we learn to our amazement from French parliamentarian Bernard Carayon that George Soros has been masterminding the refugee influx via over a hundred of NGOs that: Posted by: anon | Jul 26 2016 19:08 utc | 59 in other news, Slobodan Milosevic has been cleared of war crimes charges! Posted by: brian | Jul 27 2016 2:08 utc | 60 Let’s take some trips to the near Past. Here part I. Posted by: Noirette | Jul 27 2016 18:42 utc | 61 So what do you think, Noirette? They’re just going through the motions now? All the real activity is backstage, oiling the guns, moving the ammunition to the front? Posted by: jfl | Jul 27 2016 23:11 utc | 62 @ PavewayIV – wherever you are
… are they trying to go ‘all drone’, run the humans out of the ‘business’, or what? Posted by: jfl | Jul 30 2016 4:31 utc | 63 jfl@63 – The marines getting screwed again. Here’s an article from one month ago:
The F-35 is already killing Marine pilots. Six billion to Israel for military aid and we have bury another young man because the U.S. is run by traitors who will have under-trained pilots operating worn-out junk. Posted by: PavewayIV | Jul 30 2016 22:15 utc | 64 US army threatens whistleblower Chelsea Manning with indefinite solitary confinement
That’ll teach her to fail at a suicide attempt. Free Chelsea Manning! jfl@63 – My posted replies are not showing up for some reason. Posted by: PavewayIV | Jul 31 2016 0:01 utc | 66 RT and Sputniknews International reporting Incirlik Base blockade. Turkish Minister calls it is just a security check. However, with 7,000 armed police heavy vehicles, there is speculation of 2nd coup attempt Posted by: likklemore | Jul 31 2016 0:32 utc | 67 likklemore@66 – There were already large protests at the base since Thursday (U.S. go home, down with Israel, etc.). On Sunday morning (about now in Turkey), the Chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Dunford, is scheduled to land at Incirlik. That will undoubtedly draw many more angry protesters. And, I suppose, the event has caught the attention of opportunistic head-choppers. Turkey is probably interested in sending Dunford back with his still attached, regardless of the currently soured relations. Posted by: PavewayIV | Jul 31 2016 4:53 utc | 68 @ PavewayIV Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 31 2016 5:13 utc | 69 @67 pw ‘Marines alwyas want to press those for some reason’ Posted by: jfl | Jul 31 2016 5:19 utc | 70 Re: Dunford in Turkey. It sounds like he’s mostly going to talk to his equivalent (head of the Turkish military) Chief of General Staff Akar. If you recall, Akar was the one who took the wind out of the coup’s sails by refusing to issue the order to the rest of the military to support the coup that evening and refused to go along. The coup failed at that moment, regardless of what else was going on everywhere else.
Erdogan was not at the Aspen Black Mass – he was just responding to reports of Votel’s comments.
Posted by: PavewayIV | Jul 31 2016 9:19 utc | 71 Posted by: PavewayIV | Jul 31, 2016 5:19:47 AM | 70 Posted by: somebody | Jul 31 2016 9:58 utc | 72 @70 pw Posted by: jfl | Jul 31 2016 11:48 utc | 73 @70 pw Posted by: jfl | Jul 31 2016 11:50 utc | 74 @64 pw Posted by: jfl | Jul 31 2016 13:04 utc | 75 @PIV “Nobody starts a coup and then waltzes into the head of the military’s office and expect them to support the coup unless they have already agreed to do so.” Posted by: ProPeace | Jul 31 2016 14:51 utc | 76 @ PavewayIV 68 Posted by: likklemore | Jul 31 2016 16:59 utc | 77 Video footage shows alleged CIA spy tackled outside US Moscow embassy Posted by: Lavel | Jul 31 2016 17:31 utc | 79 UAE funneled money to Turkish coup plotters
Turkey eyes Dahlan’s Role in failed coup
Posted by: somebody | Jul 31 2016 18:25 utc | 80 more on the UAE, Dahlan, the Palestinian authority and UAE/Israeli support for “radical groups” Posted by: somebody | Jul 31 2016 18:47 utc | 81 Another headache for Angela. Looks like blackmail. Posted by: dh | Jul 31 2016 19:11 utc | 82 What is Erdo planning? He suggested he would give Turkish citizenship to the Syrian refugeed who would ask for it and now presses on eu access. Posted by: Mina | Jul 31 2016 20:06 utc | 83 @82 Pressing too hard IMO. A lot of EU citizens are going to be very unhappy about this. Posted by: dh | Jul 31 2016 20:43 utc | 84 Looks like Turkish Gen. ‘Backstabber’ Arak gets to keep his job. I wasn’t aware that the Supreme Military Council (YAS) already met on Friday and made the announcements. Posted by: PavewayIV | Jul 31 2016 21:32 utc | 85 Any conscious individual in the UK should try to get out and see THE KILLING$ OF TONY BLAIR which opened a couple of days ago and makes it’s way around the country. Posted by: MadMax2 | Jul 31 2016 21:47 utc | 86 Posted by: dh | Jul 31, 2016 4:43:33 PM | 83 Posted by: somebody | Jul 31 2016 22:06 utc | 87 @77 hegemony cricket
Posted by: jfl | Aug 1 2016 10:50 utc | 88 Knesset crushes parliamentary immunity. New Israeli expulsion law effectively puts Arab members of Knesset on probation. Canada Judge Rules That Police Entrapped Couple in Bomb Plot Posted by: james | Aug 1 2016 16:15 utc | 90 U.S. Begins Airstrikes Against ISIS In Libya
5 Years Later, US Is Carrying Out More Airstrikes in Libya
Rat bastard will be delivering death, devastation, destruction, and deceit to MENA and the world until Hillary is sworn in on 20 January. Then she’ll pick up where he left off. Or Trump will be sworn in and – whatever happens – we’ll all be ‘surprised’. Posted by: jfl | Aug 2 2016 11:11 utc | 91 I think it was Grieved who posted the link to pages 109 to 745 of Documents illustrative of the formation of the union of the American states, Debates in the Federal Convention of 1787 as reported by James Madison. I’m working my way through that, but it’s slow going. Posted by: jfl | Aug 3 2016 14:22 utc | 92 *China’s poor rights record Posted by: denk | Aug 3 2016 16:38 utc | 93 *During Xi’s visit to the UK, both sides expressed their “strong interest in cooperating on each other’s major initiatives, namely China’s “Belt and Road” initiative and the UK’s National Infrastructure Plan and the Northern PowerHouse.” Posted by: denk | Aug 4 2016 4:22 utc | 94 The shocking story of Israel’s disappeared babies
The story of bona fide, government-sponsored, Israeli anti-semitism. Posted by: jfl | Aug 6 2016 13:15 utc | 95 Those bloodthirsty psychopaths at the Atlantic Council need to be neutralized, pronto. It reminisces of late 1930s and the Brutish Empire pushing Poland into suicidal pact against Germany (while at the same time assuring Hitler that the UK wouldn’t intervene in case he invades Poland). At least we know the names of these warmongers, and when push comes to shove… Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 6 2016 13:50 utc | 96 |
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