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July 1, 2016
Open Thread 2016-23
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on another site, there’s a thread about china’s plan to explore mars in the coming yrs. Posted by: denk | Jul 3 2016 5:44 utc | 101 @ rg the lg | Jul 3, 2016 12:24:03 AM | 97 Posted by: blues | Jul 3 2016 8:03 utc | 102 Trump tweets ‘Clinton corrupted’ with six-pointed star, drawing accusations of anti-Semitism Posted by: pantaraxia | Jul 3 2016 11:07 utc | 103 After Brexit, Germany Should Give Brits Citizenship: Minister
Young Brits … maybe the Germans and the Turks could give England Syrians in return? Posted by: jfl | Jul 3 2016 11:28 utc | 104 jfl, Posted by: Anon02July | Jul 3 2016 11:33 utc | 105 @99 psycho ‘The world needs to understand that there are not now, nor into the foreseeable future going to be jobs for all seeking employment.’
The same folks who looked back upon the Great Depression with nostalgia are gleeful today. Happy Days are here again! That’s right, their offspring are demoblicans … or New Labour. More likely wannabes … they haven’t yet been dragged around the block, as their elders have. Like the Ukrainians, they’ve swallowed the bait: hook, line, and sinker. Posted by: jfl | Jul 3 2016 11:51 utc | 106 … Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 3 2016 13:20 utc | 107 Vltchek lives up to his name, “wolfing”. His views are a bit extreme, and his commentary totally acerbic. But is is worth reading. However, sharing his perspective would require ulcer medications close at hand. Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 3 2016 13:47 utc | 108 South Fronts latest is about China deploying up to 10,000 troops to the ME https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOGSC3yK-Jg Posted by: Terry | Jul 3 2016 13:55 utc | 109 101;Yes.a red 6 pointed star at that, possibly implying she’s a commie too. Posted by: dahoit | Jul 3 2016 14:03 utc | 110 As we near the Fourth of July, it’s a good time to reflect and try to See How We Are.
Dry your eyes and walk outside, it’s the Fourth of July…. Posted by: rufus magister | Jul 3 2016 14:23 utc | 111 It’s so convoluted: http://www.acting-man.com/?p=45673. kill (killary) proclaims she has “experience” the others don’t have. Sure, she has the experience in how to terrorize and destroy our country, and other, while using her position to become insanely wealthy. kill is a criminal and needs to be locked up forever, in Guantanamo. Prison, not president. Posted by: Barbara | Jul 3 2016 14:45 utc | 112 104 – It’s the socialization of misery. As long as the stock market is bouyed and there’s a demand from the poor (for dollars, euros, etc), the rich can continue this convoluted trickle-up system of QE, NIRP,ZIRP, etc etc. Posted by: bbbb | Jul 3 2016 15:37 utc | 113 More of the same. Backlash from the mercenary ISIS force after being used as a pretext for the US and its allies to stage an invasion into Iraq and Syria. Posted by: Les | Jul 3 2016 15:53 utc | 114 Re: Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 3, 2016 9:20:56 AM | 105 http://sputniknews.com/world/20160703/1042353782/walesa-shootdown-russian-planes.html Posted by: Barbara | Jul 3 2016 16:57 utc | 116 @99 psychohistorian.. as b mentioned in his post on june 25th or 26th – the young people constitute a very small part of the picture, but it is the part the msm keep up holding up as some sort of relevant factor.. it isn’t.. they are lying and distorting as usual.. Posted by: james | Jul 3 2016 17:53 utc | 117 excellent post today from fb ali on sst with valuable commentary especially coming from bill herschel.. Posted by: james | Jul 3 2016 18:08 utc | 118 @92 UPDATE: Now that I read the article from Mic, called “Donald Trump’s Star of David” Hillary Clinton Meme Was Created by White Supremacists and I learn that it was not created by a graphic designer working for Trump, I think the original pic was propably intended to be anti-Semitc. And my theory is that the most likely scenario is a dump person working for Trump used the image without understanding the intended message. Sure it is possible that the person in charge of tweeting for Trump wanted to send an anti-Semitic message but what I am saying is odds are that the guy is simply ignorant of what the original picture was intending to say by using the red star in that shape. There is a question why the person in charge of the twitter is so stupid and what they consider good sources for graphics. Posted by: Tom Murphy | Jul 3 2016 22:11 utc | 119 Well Erdo the clown shows his cards once agan Posted by: bbbb | Jul 4 2016 2:29 utc | 120 Posted by: bbbb | Jul 3, 2016 10:29:21 PM | 120 Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 4 2016 3:40 utc | 121 To STOP panicked tyrants & their depopulation mania, the ULTIMATE Damocles sword to REPEL* is deadly space super-storms that may blow up all nukes, as the near-miss extinction event of July 2012: http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2014/23jul_superstorm Posted by: Repel space Damocles swords | Jul 4 2016 5:51 utc | 122 Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 1, 2016 6:10:50 PM | 30 Posted by: William Bowles | Jul 4 2016 13:40 utc | 123 On Independence Day in the land of the free and the home of the brave…
An accompanying link tells the story of the Ma and Pa Clinton’s ‘rural employment program called prisons‘. The PLP tries to paint the Leave voters as racists. I imagine that real, institutionalized racism does exist in England … I know it exists in our USofA. Posted by: jfl | Jul 4 2016 13:53 utc | 124 They’re throwing everything they can at Trump the anti-semite. Trump should know better than to say America First. The Slogan should be Israel First – America Second. Posted by: fast freddy | Jul 4 2016 14:30 utc | 125 64;Well in whiteys defense,although we may have killed,maimed and torched injuns,we didn’t tie people on anthills.:) Posted by: dahoit | Jul 4 2016 15:00 utc | 126 A red 6 pointed star;Aren’t all the zionists ex trotskyites? Posted by: dahoit | Jul 4 2016 15:13 utc | 127 Let’s see if Trump backpedals.I bet he has to somewhat. Posted by: dahoit | Jul 4 2016 15:17 utc | 128 125;We aint,the common people,Only the whores of Zion proclaim their felicity.The support for Israel in America might be a mile wide,but its a quarter inch deep. Posted by: dahoit | Jul 4 2016 15:19 utc | 129 Counterpunch;A somewhat good site,but lately consumed with Trump bashing. Posted by: dahoit | Jul 4 2016 15:29 utc | 130 America is a melting pot,and I have a Jewish son in law,with a grandkid on the way. Posted by: dahoit | Jul 4 2016 15:33 utc | 131 Look at how Mexico is out of the news.They have entire villages blockaded and bringing in supplies by air,as teachers revolt against their totally corrupt govt. Posted by: dahoit | Jul 4 2016 15:36 utc | 132 fastfreddy @125
Each of these groups would claim that THEY have no control, THEY only respond to world events. But the sum of their actions is to consume the future of ordinary people and waste the resources of the planet. Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 4 2016 15:57 utc | 133 in re 131 — Posted by: rufus magister | Jul 4 2016 16:13 utc | 134 I just read this and thought it should be shared. It shows that some want to reign in the global plutocrats…..or at least know who they are. Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 4 2016 16:23 utc | 135 Asked to give a toast before the prestigious New York Press Club, John Swinton, the former Chief of Staff at the New York Times, made this candid confession [it’s worth noting that Swinton was called “The Dean of His Profession” by other newsmen, who admired him greatly]: Posted by: Penelope | Jul 4 2016 17:24 utc | 136 follow-up @133
Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 4 2016 22:38 utc | 137 I want to share another link to support my position that China is moving and shaking behind the scenes and soon to come out of behind the scenes. Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 4 2016 23:55 utc | 138 joshua landis has a few new articles up on his syria comment blog… worth a read.. Posted by: james | Jul 5 2016 0:34 utc | 139 I want to share another link to support my position that China is moving and shaking behind the scenes and soon to come out of behind the scenes. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 5 2016 3:10 utc | 140 john helmers latest… Posted by: james | Jul 5 2016 5:00 utc | 141 I hate to nag about 21st Century Enigma World, but… Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 5 2016 6:35 utc | 142 in re 137 — Posted by: rufus magister | Jul 5 2016 11:37 utc | 143 Hoarswhisperer @142 Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 5 2016 14:30 utc | 144 142 Posted by: fastfreddy | Jul 5 2016 14:51 utc | 145 FBI Recommends “No Charges” Against Hillary Clinton Posted by: crone | Jul 5 2016 15:42 utc | 146 146 Posted by: fastfreddy | Jul 5 2016 15:55 utc | 147 145,6;Yes.The fix came in.It was probably inevitable,as the demoncrats have so much invested in the pos hell bitch to abrogate her candidacy. Posted by: dahoit | Jul 5 2016 16:00 utc | 148 I live on LI NY and to this day,I have yet to see a HRC supporting bumper sticker. Posted by: dahoit | Jul 5 2016 16:01 utc | 149 800 new homes in the WB.For Israelis of course. Posted by: dahoit | Jul 5 2016 16:20 utc | 150 csis poster girl tsai ying wen had hardly warmed her seat when the tw navy ‘accidentally ‘ fired a ‘carrier killer’ missile towards china, Posted by: denk | Jul 5 2016 16:30 utc | 151 Ratings agencies and other tumours are part of the make believe economy…a fantasy world. Totally separate from the real economy where stock is up on pitchforks. Sooner or later the market will catch up the deceit. Posted by: MadMax2 | Jul 5 2016 22:42 utc | 152 So I’d guess you’re in King’s or Zeldin’s district then. And not say Israel’s or Meek’s. Posted by: rufus magister | Jul 5 2016 23:07 utc | 154 in re the “landslide” at 148 Posted by: rufus magister | Jul 6 2016 0:18 utc | 155 Thanks for sharing. I hope it will be helpful for too many people that are searching for this topic. Posted by: Shilpa Malhotra | Jul 6 2016 9:10 utc | 156 Amid protests, French government uses emergency powers to impose draft labor law
FRexit coming up? Posted by: jfl | Jul 6 2016 10:23 utc | 157 The political issues posed by the Australian election crisis
Sounds just like the USA … British Neolibraconia, North American Neolibraconia, European Neolibraconia, Australian Neolibraconia … same thing all over the AEs. Posted by: jfl | Jul 6 2016 10:28 utc | 158 Posted by: jfl | Jul 6, 2016 6:28:53 AM | 158 Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 6 2016 21:45 utc | 159 @159 hoarse, “as soon as the ‘didn’t vote’ demographic exceeds the ‘did vote’ demographic then the Established Order has demonstrably broken down” Posted by: jfl | Jul 6 2016 23:36 utc | 160 Almost 300 casualties as massive ISIS car bomb devastates Baghdad
Tony Blair unrepentant as Chilcot gives crushing Iraq war verdict
Does he think anyone not on the MIC payroll in Iraq, MENA, Britain, or the world fails to see him for what he is? Posted by: jfl | Jul 6 2016 23:38 utc | 161 ortega ‘dictator’ has to go ! Posted by: denk | Jul 7 2016 2:19 utc | 162 NATO NOW OWNS FINNISH AIRSPACE — FREE TO ATTACK RUSSIA Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jul 7 2016 4:39 utc | 163 Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jul 7, 2016 12:39:12 AM | 163 Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 7 2016 5:27 utc | 164 Winning the Diplomatic War: Russia calls Normandy Four meeting to stop Kiev offensive
Putin calls Obama, cancels region visits amidst Donbass escalation
Ukrainian forces have been shelling Donbass for weeks. They’ve never really stopped. The folks in the USA might not know that, but that is the case. Posted by: jfl | Jul 7 2016 8:16 utc | 165 @158, 159, 160 Posted by: MadMax2 | Jul 7 2016 10:48 utc | 166 Posted by: jfl | Jul 7, 2016 4:16:44 AM | 165 Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 7 2016 13:44 utc | 167 iraq, its all blair’s fault. Posted by: denk | Jul 7 2016 15:34 utc | 168 People Above Politics: Political Deal will not Hamper the Turkish-Palestinian Bond
Indeed, what moral justification is there for any person or country to justify its ‘business as usual’ dealings with genocidal Israel? Posted by: jfl | Jul 7 2016 21:01 utc | 169 @167, hoarse ‘the Yankees/NATO will stay true to form and, if Russia rears its ‘ugly’ head over Donbass, will toss Ukraine in front of the same bus Georgia was tossed under’ Posted by: jfl | Jul 7 2016 21:38 utc | 170 Don’t be dissin’ the very capable Wehrmacht by mentioning it in the same breath as the lash-up of demoralized conscripts, mercenary thugs, and brutal fascist militias that are the Armed Forces of the Ukraine. “Glory to the Heroes.” Author Yurasumy sees it as incapable of offensive operations.
Kerry is in Kiev now, saying nice things to Poroshenko and his peeps.
Here’s what Poroshenko had to say on the Donbas, Crimea and their expectations for the West.
What I’d guess — either an attempted provocation, which Moscow is volleying back diplomatically, but more likely, and ongoing campaign to harass Novorossiya, while leaving the false impression that the Novorossiya and the Russian Federation are the guilty parties. Posted by: rufus magister | Jul 8 2016 0:31 utc | 171 Gene Sharp (or a US Ambassador) comes to Dallas … Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 8 2016 15:58 utc | 172 Obama urges NATO to stand firm against Russia despite Brexit Posted by: okie farmer | Jul 8 2016 16:57 utc | 173 Muslims Will Be Fined for Wearing a Burka in Switzerland
I guess Muslims are not honorable citizens in Switzerland. Are Catholic nuns allowed to wear veils? Is there a strong xenophobic, fascist streak in Switzerland? Apparently there is, this law was enacted by the Swiss people themselves. Posted by: jfl | Jul 8 2016 22:47 utc | 174 in re 174 Posted by: rufus magister | Jul 8 2016 23:32 utc | 175 Why Francois Hollande spoke up at NATO summit Posted by: james | Jul 9 2016 2:03 utc | 176 In addition to the socio-economic stresses I note at 171, there are a number of political events which suggest the Ukrainian policy toward Novorossiya is in actuality rather as Poroshenko states it. The Banderaists want the West and Nato to “force” the Russian Federation to give back the Crimea and abandon the Russian population of the Donbas. Ain’t gonna happen.
So it seems to me that Kiev would be ill-advised to seriously restart the fighting. The Normandy group will now doubt put the horse back in the barn. Posted by: rufus magister | Jul 9 2016 2:23 utc | 177 three nobel prize candidates that the nobel committee never heard of, Posted by: denk | Jul 9 2016 3:21 utc | 178 correction link, Posted by: denk | Jul 9 2016 3:24 utc | 179 another demolition job by the ‘wrecker’ ! Posted by: denk | Jul 10 2016 4:34 utc | 180 prez duterte Posted by: denk | Jul 11 2016 16:50 utc | 181 There is not a more current open thread and so I will post this link here: http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2016-07/12/c_135505547.htm Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 12 2016 5:29 utc | 182 NH Union Leader: Sanders Sells Out
I think they have it wrong. Sanders “sold out” long before today. Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 12 2016 11:21 utc | 183 Bernie Sanders joins Hillary Clinton’s rally (WATCH LIVE) .Published time: 12 Jul, 2016 15:22. Edited time: 12 Jul, 2016 15:34 Posted by: Jack Smith | Jul 12 2016 15:49 utc | 184 Jack Smith @184 Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 12 2016 16:56 utc | 185 in re 185 – Posted by: rufus magister | Jul 12 2016 22:34 utc | 186 “No soup for you!” Posted by: Jack Smith | Jul 12 2016 23:46 utc | 187 @Jackrabbit Posted by: Jack Smith | Jul 12 2016 23:57 utc | 188 @187 Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 13 2016 0:02 utc | 189 Don’t give a damn how the pigs smell but those who put lipstick on pigs smell even worst and I an’t joking! Posted by: Jack Smith | Jul 13 2016 1:09 utc | 190 in re 189 — Posted by: rufus magister | Jul 13 2016 1:31 utc | 191 As I have for decades, I’ll be voting for the Reds again. I believe the Socialist Party is on the ballot here in the Garden State. My old favorites, the SWP, seem to be ratcheting down.
So that’s no increase, versus a doubling of the Federal minimum wage, for all you class-conscious proles following along at home. So clearly, no exploitable difference between the factions of finance capital…. Posted by: rufus magister | Jul 13 2016 2:10 utc | 192 surprise, surprise, hague kangaroo court rules in favor of murkkan stooge ph, Posted by: denk | Jul 13 2016 3:28 utc | 193 atimes mod real on the ball, Posted by: denk | Jul 13 2016 3:42 utc | 194 Red or Socialist is no different from Sanders they’re still Neoliberal or Dem. Posted by: Jack Smith | Jul 13 2016 5:54 utc | 195 in 195 — Posted by: rufus magister | Jul 13 2016 11:09 utc | 196 Michael Hudson provides a compact summary of the history of debt and in reviewing a ‘travesty’ of a history of finance.
I hope Hudson’s conclusion, based on his empirical study of economics, is reaching others as well. Posted by: jfl | Jul 16 2016 3:27 utc | 197 US releases Saudi documents: 9/11 coverup exposed
That seems to be the unavoidable conclusion to be drawn from the 28 pages, and certainly overshadows the already known involvement of the Saudis, Posted by: jfl | Jul 16 2016 9:07 utc | 198 A certain kind of ivory tower Marxist, who has no inclination or idea of how to find comrades in other political movements, (with Greens for instance) is especially useless and tedious. Utopians, whose socialism has not been informed by suffering, and difficult experiences, certainly have no business hurling charges of “petty-bourgeois” at anyone. in sk… Posted by: denk | Jul 16 2016 15:30 utc | 200 |
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