If this turns out to be Bran’s b or c or both I hope this sob reaps a whirlwind.
B) false flag by Erdogan to solidify power base with purge
C) coup by Gulen faction seeking firmer Islamic control

Posted by: hejiminy cricket | Jul 16 2016 0:54 utc | 104

Ah ha hahaha!!! Obama urges support for the democratically-elected government!! Whatever happened to “Mr. Yanukovych must order his police to return to their barracks and stop opposing the will of the people”?

Posted by: Mark | Jul 16 2016 1:05 utc | 106

bbbb – can you provide links about the bombs? Corporate media is only reporting that he is back in Istanbul.

Posted by: AnEducatedFool | Jul 16 2016 1:07 utc | 108

If this is not a coup sponsored by a foreign power then this is indeed a win or die scenario for the conspirators. I expect that the Turkish military is capable of executing a coup with out US support. I also hope that this is the case. The alternatives enhance the power of Islamist elements in Turkey.

Posted by: AnEducatedFool | Jul 16 2016 1:12 utc | 110

Erdog on the television

Posted by: bbbb | Jul 16 2016 1:20 utc | 112

Great, b and c it is:
The uprising will be a reason to “clean up” the army,” Erdogan says in Istanbul. #Turkey
“Some in the military have been taking orders from Pennsylvania,” Erdogan says, referring to Turkish preacher Fethullah Gülen. #Turkey
“This was an act of treason. Those responsible will pay a heavy price,” Erdogan adds, during his press conference in Istanbul. #Turkey
https://mobile.twitter.com/AnupKaphle

Posted by: hejiminy cricket | Jul 16 2016 1:41 utc | 114

The current guy that they have on RT is awesome.. great insight

Posted by: bbbb | Jul 16 2016 1:44 utc | 116

Filsan Farah ‏@FillyCheZeSteaK 38s39 seconds ago
Not for this coup. But Erdogan encouraging ppl to protest, and place their lives in danger..is irresponsible #Turkey
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nice point!!

Posted by: bbbb | Jul 16 2016 1:54 utc | 118

Conspirators still have Ankara…… No news on the rest of Turkey. Government supporters are accused of killing and torturing soldiers… I do not expect this will end well.
The coup leaders made a mistake by not taking over all TV stations.

Posted by: AnEducatedFool | Jul 16 2016 2:31 utc | 120

8 minutes ago
Because of OPSEC all of the #Turkish_Army & #THK units hadn’t been informed about the coup. More units will join coup gradually.
In reply to The Human Voice
Babak Taghvaee ‏@BabakTaghvaee 11m11 minutes ago
@YaAbalFazl Yes, #Ankara is under control of #Turkish_Army & #Istanbul under control of Pro-#Erdogan people.
In reply to The Human Voice
Babak Taghvaee ‏@BabakTaghvaee 12m12 minutes ago
@YaAbalFazl That’s what #Erdogan claims. Because of OPSEC all of #Turkish_Armed_Forces units were not informed, they’ll all join coup soon!
In reply to The Human Voice
Babak Taghvaee ‏@BabakTaghvaee 16m16 minutes ago
@YaAbalFazl #Turkish_Army has always had responsibility to defend the Constitution, and protect secularism.
Babak Taghvaee ‏@BabakTaghvaee 22m22 minutes ago
Three #Turkish_Army’s AH-1P/Ws from Güvercinlik’s 1st Filo & 2nd Filo are firing their guns over the Parliament area of #Ankara right now.

Posted by: bbbb | Jul 16 2016 2:37 utc | 122

@113
I’d support a coup in US if the military get rid of all neocons ..If not, theres no a need of a coup in US.

Posted by: Nick | Jul 16 2016 2:41 utc | 124

Military coups are un-American. The US military leaves coups to people in the White House. 😉

Posted by: Demian | Jul 16 2016 3:00 utc | 126

Recent history points to the CIA as the most active, most engaged and most successful perpetrator of coups.
If Erdogan is bucking NATO, that provides sufficient motive.
Obviously, the personnel and financial resources have been in place in Turkey to instigate a coup.
Can’t really take as credible any info coming from Obama, Kerry or the US government.

Posted by: fast freddy | Jul 16 2016 3:05 utc | 128

Now, after that short (no doubt well rewarded $$$) break from our SA sponsors, back to the main programme: “9/11 report: Secret 28 pages showing possible Saudi links released by US Congress”

Posted by: x | Jul 16 2016 3:25 utc | 130

This coup was IMPOSSIBLE, without evil US empire approval. And without previous approval for arguments sake, then impossible to succeed without US acceptance if it succeeded.
That partly explains the early US silence.
There is no way the Coup leaders wouldn’t attempt this coup without knowing their chances of final success in US El Capos blessing.
The failure seemed like a rush job, mabye premature – due to Erdogan being out, and a touch of desperation in light of Erdogan slithering up Putins ankles begging forgiveness.
We are living in a criminal madhouse, Under its owner of the evil US empire.

Posted by: tom | Jul 16 2016 4:11 utc | 132

That unpopular coup may give the opportunity for Erdogan to crackdown on all the army staff loyal to Gulen after he has cleared the judicial and the police. He would have annihilated the only powerful opponent he has to his presidential ambitions.
Yet the danger is that this will split the army and weaken it to the point that it could not be effective fighting the PKK and ISIS.
The airport attack was a warning to Erdogan to stop fighting ISIS and to concentrate on fighting its enemies, the Kurds, Hezbollah and the Syrian army and to avoid cooperation with the Russians. Now this failed coup has exposed his weakness and his need of the Islamist extremists to keep him in power. If he doesn’t fulfill his part of the deal by cutting down the military efforts against ISIS, the Turkish Islamists close to ISIS will, this time, let a civil war start and have him removed
Erdogan is now a long term hostage to ISIS to save his position. I doubt that he will be allowed to stay in power for much longer.

Posted by: virgile | Jul 16 2016 4:18 utc | 134

I was watching the English version of Al Jazeera for their take and didn’t find anything particularly different from the (((Al Jazeera America))) version we are ‘allowed’ to watch in the U.S. – the one exception being clarification of the fact that Gulen has denounced the coup attempt even though it was probably carried out by Gulen supporters/sympathizers in the Turkish military.
U.S. citizens interested in the ‘real’ English Al Jazeera instead of (((Al Jazeera America))) can find their uncensored livecasts here.
And for those of you confused by the Gulen supporters in Turkey every time it’s mentioned, I think What you should know about Turkey’s AKP-Gulen conflict may be a fairly good summary from Al Monitor. It’s from 2014, but seems like it still applies in the recent coup attempt. Al Monitor is U.S. based and sometimes described as center-left biased, e.g., they sometimes agree with Assad on Syrian issues. If anyone has a comment on the description Al Monitor provides regarding Gulen, I would love to hear it.
Opening paragraph:

“The political tension, if not “war,” between the ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP) and the Islamic community led by Fethullah Gulen, is currently the hottest topic in Turkey. Most foreigners, however, have a hard time understanding the exact nature of this peculiar battle, which is even too confusing for Turks themselves. Here are some basic guidelines to understanding the conflict…”

After reading the article, I wonder if this was an actual coup attempt or something staged, providing Erdogan/AKP a reason to do a massive purge of Gulen sympathizers from the military. It seems strange that the police didn’t join the coup unless Gulen support has waned since the Al Monitor article was published. Can anyone educate us (me) on this?

Posted by: PavewayIV | Jul 16 2016 4:55 utc | 136

137
I think Kapital is a disease in and of itself, once societal infection-regulating laws and regulations are removed to ‘Make The Ubers Great Again’, as ex Gramm-Leich-Bliley.
The same ‘trade deregulation’ that filled maquiladore factories on the Mexican border and flooded Central America with cheap dumped US ag-business products, destroying their local economies, then spread to China, and then to Viet Nam, seeking ever-lower cost wage slaves, creating millions of $B-aire mafiosas with lots of hot Kapital to throw around.
Witness Dubai and Abu Dhabi, which cannot exist for even a second without hot Kapital.
Micro-finance was the ‘Disruptor’ then, remember? We applied for a M-F franchise together with some 3W business mates, and were shocked and disgusted when we asked how much interest we’d be allowed to charge our poor villager supplicants:
“Oh, usually it runs 30%…”
“30%! How are we gonna sell micro-loans to aboriginals at 30%?!”
“Ask around,” our microfinance contact said, “The dollar-yuan mafias charge 50%.”
So the ‘Disruptor’ micro-finance tycoons became the 21C financial mafias, just as IMF and World Bank had done before them, back in the day. That was the start of the metastasis.
The 2nd-stage rise of Central Banks and QEn ZIRP was pouring gasoline on a fire, even the pro-‘let the market decider’s’ have researched the chart results and revealed what we in Labor already knew, …that Kapital has reached Stage 5.
I don’t think anyone looking at the Credit-Debt-to-(cooked)-GDP charts would deny that our global safety net is destroyed, our pensions are hollowed out, our communities gone gentrified at the top, but geriatric at the fragile bottom. Where I live now, I see Chinese hot Kapital condos rising on every block, all of them still empty, and flashy Audis and Lexus SUVs of the Owners rolling in the street, beside tuk-tuks and motos.
It’s spreading fast. A current SE Asian fable highlights this metastasis globally:
“In a little village, there were many prominent people with important jobs festively gathering together to have a ceremony for a couple of high-ranking government officials.
Official 570 says: “Brothers and sisters, everyone, come together and be happy. Please don’t think too much or care too much about anything—just be happy and be together. We have this much already, what more could we want?”
An aunty named The Farm’s Gone starts crying: “Sir, me and my siblings had a farm of a few hectares, we never owed anyone money, we had fish behind the house for food and we had firewood behind the house for cooking rice. We had our children and grandchildren nearby, and if we farmed for a year, we could eat for two years — but nowadays we’re empty-handed.”
The high-ranking official fires back: “Sister, you just know how to talk…. Are you from the opposition party?”
An uncle named The Victim gets up with these words: “We are empty-handed, sir, because my farmland and my siblings’ farmland in the village all belong to Uncle Da [Acleda bank], Uncle Na [Sathapana bank], Uncle K [AMK bank] and to Mr. Microfinance. It’s all theirs now. There’s no hope of ever getting it back. Even worse, if we farm for a whole year, we don’t even have enough to pay back the cost of the loan, and interest payments, and the cost to rent the plows for harvest. We are lost.”
Official 570 scolds him too: “You only know how to talk, so you just go on talking! You have this much already, what more could you want?”
Now the ZIRPopathy will come for us, in the Janus-guise of Goldman-Donald-Hillary.

Posted by: Roitan | Jul 16 2016 6:21 utc | 138

Bran @ 85, Another possibility for the forces behind the coup: US/UK, etc have never intended Turkey to be a real power; the intention has long been to break it up. Hard to believe, but at one time, both Gulen & Erdogan were willing to go w the plan, according to NSNBC.
However, I think you’re right; there’s presently no indication US is behind it.

Posted by: Penelope | Jul 16 2016 6:35 utc | 140

@140- that would be ingenious- perhaps the thinking now is if we break up turkey Syria will follow.
I didn’t get from bran that he was suggesting the US was not at all behind this. What do I know. Turkey could be the access point to the self replenishing amniotic oil reserves.

Posted by: hejiminy cricket | Jul 16 2016 6:44 utc | 142

Why isnt the west, nato urge and condemn whats going on, some 100s of people dead now.

Posted by: Golan | Jul 16 2016 7:11 utc | 144

What time zone are you all posting in?
Very confusing not being ablo to figure out WHEN a post is being made

Posted by: Nils essle | Jul 16 2016 8:45 utc | 146

And as a rabid follower of the Prime Directive,I say good for The Turks to reject whomever tries to take away their democracy, as no matter what Erdogan is,he’s their choice,if not zions,or the saudis or ours.

Posted by: dahoit | Jul 16 2016 14:13 utc | 148

So. Gulen is CIA. Sibel EDMONDS has plenty of research at boilingfrogspost on this. Her book ‘The Lone GLADIO’ is about Gulen.
Obama backs Erdogan? Did CIA authorize coup without consulting WhiteHouse? oops.
Enough army and people in Turkey decided better the devil they know, than CIA stooge Gulen.
Just like Syrian Arab Army and enough people of Syria decided to back ASSAD over CIA/Turk/Saud/Is/ISIS.
Counting the dismal failure of Ukraine UScoup, and BREXIT, thats four fails in two years.

Posted by: rm | Jul 16 2016 20:39 utc | 150