Dallas - Civil Law Enforcement Use Of Vehicle Based IED Raises Questions
Last nights shooting and killing of several policemen in Dallas, Texas is still somewhat mysterious. At one point the Dallas police chief asserted that four attackers were working together with rifles and triangulating themselves in positions for the attack. Two of them were reported as snipers on roof. This led me to estimate that this was probably some team-trained (supremacist) militia trying to instigate a civil war.
Current status is that one man alone was responsible. An army veteran who was, according to this video, trained in infantry combat. Three other persons are in custody but possibly not related to the incident.
What explain the far diverging situation reports by the Dallas Chief?
The single identified shooter was eventually trapped and the police negotiated with him. Negotiations broke off, according to the police, and the police used a remote controlled "robot" to deliver a bomb next to the trapped shooter where it was then exploded. The suspect was killed by the explosion.
This is the very first known use of a remote controlled vehicle based improvised explosive device, or RC-VBIED in military speak, by a civil police force. The vehicle was a remote controlled device on rubber tracks as they are often used to examine and explode suspicious packages.
The suspected shooter had been surrounded and trapped for some time.
- Was the suspect still an imminent danger?
- Was it justified to use such kind of "drone strike" against him?
- What if criminals resort to similar devices (relatively easy to build from RC toys)?
- Was the remote connection to the "robot" secure or was it open to manipulations?
- What are potential consequences when such remote killing machines will be used (as has now become likely) in everyday standoffs between police and this or that suspected criminal?
- The use of drones in warfare has led to an increase in targeted strikes -in and outside of warzones- as the risk to own forces was reduced. Will police use of VBIEDs have similar effects?
- Should the use of such means require a warrant?
The use of such a "robot" is a qualitative step into a future no one was eager to see in the streets of our cities. We should think hard and ask difficult questions before accepting it.
Posted by b on July 8, 2016 at 17:50 UTC | Permalink
« previous page76;Trump is our only chance to break free of Zion.My fervent support is directly because of that,and I find his prescriptions for American recovery totally correct and smart.Whatever picture you have of him is probably propaganda,as the whole zionist media has fought him tooth and nail.
And he will win in a landslide,because the only people who like the hell bitch are gays,feminazis and blacks for some weird reason.
BLM;Why are they at rep gatherings and not democrat?They don't vote republican,that party owes them nada.But the democrats have used them as election fodder for 70 years since FDR,and deliver squat.
Saw a video of Louis Farrakhan and in it he turns the heat on the evil HB,but at the end,he says she tricked Obomba.Please.
Posted by: dahoit | Jul 10 2016 13:30 utc | 102
I missed that last ;Trump is a pawn of zion and Wall street?Holy shite,tell that to him,and he'd howl in laughter.
No it is hillarous who has said every fellating comment about those evil scum,and their media have pulled out the stops in trying to demonize him.
You must be ignorant,or have an agenda to say such stupid things.
Pony boy?sheesh.Better than being a ziowhore.Are you?
Posted by: dahoit | Jul 10 2016 13:35 utc | 103
85;Well Johnson got some Wapo coverage.I guess calling Trump an antisemite pays off.F*ck him.
I talk turkey.Others here seem to play games,with false info.Is it ideology?I aint got one.
I got an old flip phone with a bad battery,and I hardly ever use it.And no I don't tweet,as tweets are for twits,nit wits and halfwits:)
I'm still scratching my head on Trump being in the grip of Zion???
Posted by: dahoit | Jul 10 2016 13:42 utc | 104
88;Rufus Magister;Red master.Commie with an agenda of divide and conquer,You see these clowns all over,lying about reality for some ideological nonsense.
Probably a closet zionist too.Bibi is his boy.
Did you read about the israeli bribery tour of Africa?Pay off potentates for criminal activity.South Sudan;An Israeli theme park of oil extraction.
Posted by: dahoit | Jul 10 2016 13:50 utc | 105
Oh,yeah,peaceniks are going to win the POTUS.Jesus has a lead no one can beat!
WTF.
Trumps spokesman recently said he'll respect the Iranian deal.
I guess RM forgot that.
How would any candidate win POTUS by totally rejecting Zion,and its unbelievable hold on the small minded American?
Childish hits.You do remember a six pointed red star?The one they all proclaimed antisemitic?Which was totally correct in its theme?
Oh,yeah,he's in their pocket.sheesh.
Posted by: dahoit | Jul 10 2016 14:00 utc | 106
This is not surprising at all. (Taking the military-trained lone shooter at face value, I have no idea what really happened.)
The US has a militarized police force. (One of its main functions is to keep the Prison Industry ticking over.)
It thus behaves as one does towards an enemy, with military-like moves. The enemy is the public, which gradually becomes something like ‘the original inhabitants’ in vicious colonisalist schemas, just like the settlers who eliminate all that isn’t them. (Today’s prime ex.: Israel.) In the US, one particular section of the public is seen as both more vulnerable (easy game), more threatening, and more foreign - blacks. This fact is usually framed in terms of racism, but the proper definition is a class one. As US citizens should have realised by now and will no doubt come to understand in the near future. (Or do partially understand.)
I warned about this one year before the US/Coalition invasion of Iraq. (It was set to go but took unexpected longer time to organise. Afgh. was Okayed before 9/11.) I didn’t say, there will be blowback as in Iraqis/muslims/ME terrorists will attack the US -- a common democrat handwringing mindless trope -- but that the US authoritarian apparatus would bring home its moves abroad re. innocent civilians. Katrina provided a first blatant ex. but still excuses were made.
Anyway, that a milit. trained person would then, in reaction, see the cops as the enemy, was only a question of time, I’m surprised it didn’t happen before. Probably it did but was not mainstreamed.
I have always been wary, even suspicious, of the ‘Black lives Matter’ ‘movement’. Not that I disagree with the main ‘message’…it all seems too convenient for the ‘elites.’
Posted by: Noirette | Jul 10 2016 14:08 utc | 107
I don't think the robot killer issue raises any questions. It has been used and will be used as needed by the authorities. The more interesting discussion here is whether or not what the authorities "say" can be trusted. It can't. You have to assume that everything reported in the official press and statements by authorities is likely false in some way. We have absolutely no way of knowing WTF is going on around us unless we know people personally and have vetted various information sites very carefully and even then we have to take it all with a grain of salt because, frankly, the Stasi is everywhere and into nearly everything. We are adrift in a sea of disinformation, misinformation, misdirection by organizations that use every great trick of stage magic, every possible nuance of what we have learned from social science over a century and so on.
We need clarity and it has to start with foundational principles--personally I like to start with metaphysics and move to ethics but there is not room here for that analysis. But just looking at politics and history one clear fact strikes me: anyone who can think for him/herself who has not analyzed the assassinations of the sixties cannot have a clue about what is going on today which is that we are ruled by a Deep State and its Stasi-like security apparatus. No longer can we be classified by conservative/liberal but, at this time, by those who accept the mainstream Narrative and those who don't because the evidence for conspiracy is too high to doubt that we had a coup in 1963 and a pre-emptive coup in 1968. If you don't grasp that you are swimming in a load of bullshit and I suggest you look at one simple fact--the best smoking gun I found--the official Coroner's Report that describes the cause of death of RFK. Just look at that. Saying what I just said is enough to get you thrown out of each and every "progressive" site on the internet if they take you seriously. The left is worse on conspiracies than the right. Those of us who aren't snowed by the betrayal of the left by opportunists and, frankly, people who are colluding with Stasi need to ally ourselves to those on the "right" who do understand the nature of the Deep State. The left is no longer really in existence--the left is now the right and can only be reborn along the lines I described.
Further to my comment @18
In each of the two recent killings, cops seemed to have acted in a way that placed themselves and the black suspects at great risk. And their incompetence was exacerbated by over-reacting: shooting multiple times at close range into the chest of each suspect.
>> In the Minnesota shooting, police say they pulled the motorist over because he fit the description of an armed robbery suspect.
But why did he approach the vehicle and ask for ID? He seems that he should have:
> waited for backup;This is especially true given that there were passengers in the car (a woman and a her young daughter) who might have become hostages or be injured in any confrontation.> ordered the man to exit the vehicle.
>> In the Louisiana killing, police responded to a call of a man selling CD's/DVD's who had brandished a gun. Two officers confronted the man who was clearly not cooperative but not aggressive either. Instead of waiting for backup, one of them charged the man and brought him to the ground:
These men died because of bad policing / bad police training. They died because police have a macho culture and an 'us vs. them' attitude. These are failings of police and political leadership. (Many have pointed to the trend toward "Israeli policing", which police and political leaders alike seem to accept/relish.)
The massive HERO COP propaganda over the last several days has completely muddied what happened and effectively hampered efforts for reform or accountability. For example: ABCNEWS edited the video to eliminate the policeman's charge at the suspect.
The meme that is now being pushed is that confrontations with the police are inherently dangerous and people have to obey police without question.
Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 10 2016 16:50 utc | 109
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Those pesky facts....
Posted by: rufus magister | Jul 10, 2016 8:28:47 AM | 100 (nee #88
Trump's got charisma. He was was one of those popular Captain of Everything, high-achiever types at Military Academy when circa 20 years old. Charisma can be defined in many ways but personal charm is at its heart. Charismatic ppl are better than everyone else at reading the wind and acting appropriately and POPULARLY.
One thing you won't find in any definition of charisma is "really good at open and excessive smearing", unsubtle narcissism and other forms of self-obsession, rufus.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 10 2016 18:01 utc | 110
in re 102-106
Your usual piss-poor work. Heavy on the fantasy invective, light on the facts. Everyone but you and folks who think like you is bought, stupid, ideological, etc. You assert my view is somehow false, but you fail to portray "The True Donald."
With special pleading elsewhere for your jewish son-in-law and grand-child. I wonder if you have fully discussed your views on Israel and the Jews with your son-in-law.
Does your daughter share your views on the Jew? Did she formally convert? If not, sorry, the grandkid is not a Jew, by their definition. Would have passed with the Nazis though. And most Klansmen; they weren't too fond of Catholics, either.
Yeah, that Donald sure has an inclusive message. If you're an embittered white male of certain age and social class, you're in. Otherwise, you're on the other side of the wall.
You seem all in. I'll stay outside, if you don't mind. Better class of riff-raff and a wider variety of food and drink.
Well -- duh! Like you note, I’m a freaking commie, so of course I have a bloody agenda when it comes to a capitalist dog like the D**khead Donald. A whole damn Transitional Program, actually.
We didn't divide the world into proles and bosses. We just noticed it and drew the conclusions. It's a more accurate and meaningful division than Jews and goyim.
So sure, let’s solve the non-existent problem of control of the world by the Jews by electing a congenital liar with impulse control issues. That’s the Protocol, then?
“The whole Zionist media” attacked him? He’s been the darling of Fox News, and ain’t they big backers of Israel and What-A-Yahoo?
No surprise, no source for your assertion on Trump’s views on the Iran deal. ‘Cuz Fact Check has him saying late last week that he would somehow renegotiate a better deal. But he seems to understand the situation poorly, being a little unclear on who is holding the money, why, and what authority he would have over it. Gee, I’m shocked….
I never said that he was some sort of “pawn of zion and Wall street.” I merely demonstrated the fact that his views are actually not what some people would like them to be. I did not assert that he was, like yourself, an anti-semite. But he does retweet white supremacist memes, like the post with the six-pointed star.
Given that he’s a New York-based property developer, isn’t he actually already Wall Street? I mean, he didn’t get his financing by crowd funding, did he? And who the hell is selling all that fabulous real estate to, anyway? He's not controlled by special interests -- he is one!
Why the hell would I support an ultra-conservative thug like Netanyahu? And don’t you remember all the times you “anti-zionists” have demanded that I account for my views on Israel? If BDS is able to persuade policymakers to yank funding, the settlements are toast. They must be dismantled and the Palestinians fully compensated for destruction of property.
Posted by: rufus magister | Jul 10 2016 18:14 utc | 111
'he fit the description of an armed robbery suspect' just ‘cause of the wide set nose.” The Audio -
http://rare.us/story/this-audio-recording-shines-a-totally-new-light-on-philando-castiles-death-and-its-not-good/
Posted by: Daisee | Jul 10 2016 18:15 utc | 112
HW at 110 --
Yeah, I get that. Personally, I don't feel the charisma, but I've previously commented on The Donald as a manifestation of our age's Cult of Personality.
I sell the things you need to be/I'm the smiling face on your T.V.
I'm the cult of personality/I exploit you still you love me....You don't have to follow me/Only you can set you free
Or for those of you studying Marxist theory at home, try G.V. Plekhanov's On the Role of the Individual in History.
Posted by: rufus magister | Jul 10 2016 18:49 utc | 113
The Donald and The Bill Hillary are like works of fiction that have crossed over from the fantastic realm into reality. It's a damned shame that Hunter S. Thompson is not still amongst us, to draw us into a proper contemplation of the present horror and the grotesque, absolute weirdness of these characters.
Trump is a say-anything salesman. He probably does this more for securing the high status of his children, rather than actually becoming president.
With that said, a Trump presidency would be far more chaotic than would a Hillary Presidency. It would be quite an entertaining spectacle to behold.
I think both presidencies will have to deal with much of the public disliking them.. so I think the important thing is to keep pressing with information and counter-propaganda on an individual level, and hope that the police state doesn't target speech.
Posted by: bbbb | Jul 10 2016 20:58 utc | 115
Paveway @ 64, "Don't go there, Penelope. Phil Castile was real, a well-known good guy, and is most certainly dead today." "we have a body and a traumatized child & mother." No, we have a media that TELLS us that we have these things-- a media that you know lies stupendously. And we have a video with important contradictions.
You seem to feel that because he was a well-known good guy that he wouldn't stoop to a very generously paid hoax. Because you were moved by a video does not make it real.
Until Sandy Hook it never occurred to me that these "incidents" had become hoaxes, non-events. I assumed they were as always, injustices and false flags. Somebody on the net pointed it out to me while I was still watching Sandy Hook live. I was astounded to find it a hoax. When YOU meet people who believe all the US foreign policy lies, how can you get them to just LOOK at the truth? What arguments do you use? Are you ever successful? In the case of cops shooting black people, we all know that actually does happen.
But it doesn't mean that it happened this time. We have two categories of witness who typically lie-- authorities (cops in this case) and media. That leaves us with the participants and a tape. The tape gives us an actual record of a part of the event. It is not sufficient to judge it by your emotional response.
If you are able to set aside your emotion in just ONE of these hoaxes & really look at it you will see it as a hoax. The authorities prefer hoaxes (non-events) to false flags because they are much easier to control, there are no investigators hired by grieving relatives & no court subpoenas. They are also LEGAL, because it is explicitly legal to feed propaganda productons by the pentagon or any intelligence agency to the American people.
The Minnesota incident is a trauma-based psy-op. Because you have been moved emotionally you are unable to consider it skeptically. You are unable to see that the "victim's" shirt has no hole in it. Or that there is no visible injury to the arm, or that the victim's color has not changed to that of a person in shock. Everything we saw could easily be faked. Consider the contradictions.
Consider the young woman's behavior. She is neither screaming w her hands up at the explosive noise and results of gunfire. Nor is she preoccupied w her boyfriend's medical condition. She has her body partially turned away from the cop so that her hands are at least partially shielded from his sight. Yet she is unafraid that the cop may think she's reaching for a gun. She is much too calm. She is not holding onto her daughter in protectiveness.
Consider the child. We neither see nor hear her. She is entirely calm. Where are her screams? You say the media has told you that she was screaming a moment earlier, but stopped and never made another sound. The sound of gunfire in an enclosed car is very loud & overwhelming. Yet the child reacts not at all, except the mother tells us that she informs her mother when he has died, the mother says.
The amount of blood on the Tshirt is stationary; it does not increase. Unlikely. He moans, distressed breathing. She ignores him. This is not normal behavior.
Consider the cop's behavior. He does not control the young woman's hands where he can see them. He does not make her sit with her hands up. Indeed, he says only, "Keep your hands where they are." Her shoulders show that her hands are down, with her body partially turned away. This is not realistic; he doesn't care where her hands are, doesn't care about her talking on the cell phone-- obviously against police procedure. He is standing in such a way that we cannot see the face which goes with the pointing gun, and it seems unlikely that he can fully see the car's interior. He allows her to speak on her cell phone? No way. He doesn't wish to call others to the scene.
CNN says her cell phone dropped to the ground when she got out of the car. (About 1:24 on unedited tape) If so, her action in picking it up from the ground was extraordinarily dangerous. The tape shows that she is carrying it as she walks backward towards the police, and even turns it around to face them. At 2:00 she says, "They threw my phone, facebook."
The phone is returned to her as she sits in the police car handcuffed. She is able to fully control it, pointing it at her daughter on cue, and out the window at a cop. She is also able to send the image to her facebook page & save it there & instruct a friend to release it a few hours later.
We are all outraged at police shooting of black men, but in this case we should be glad that no one was hurt.
It is interesting that the POLICE appear to have staged a Black protest in Birmingham, Alabama. According to sources there this was not planned by local leaders, but orchestrated by the police themselves. http://lifttheveil411.com/black-lives-matter-fake-protests-nationwide/
You know of course of ACORN and George Soros' efforts to destabilize countries-- or to help increase "security" in them. This happens in the US, too. Please read about the managed elements in the Ferguson riots. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/may/19/hired-black-lives-matter-protesters-start-cutthech/
So soon after witnessing what you believe to be a death you probably can't entertain skepticism on this one. So here is proof that Boston was a hoax. http://deepinsidetherabbithole.com/The_Boston_Bombing_Hoax.html
Boston Bombing photos taken from an office overlooking where the crisis actors waited their turn for the photographer. Two did not even lie down until the photographer was ready for them, at which time one "became dead." We actually see one woman put on her "blood makeup." We see Cowboy Hat, lounging & waiting for the final event. Looked at carefully these are conclusive proof that the Boston Marathon bombing was a hoax.
When a small group of people wishes to control the masses, they MUST do it with information manipulation, with deception. All they need to be successful is for you to dogmatically refuse to consider the evidence. Have you forgotten that they control the media? Have you forgotten how realistic the movies look?
Posted by: Penelope | Jul 10 2016 21:49 utc | 116
Eddie Slovik @ 90, Good point that it's another "sniper" attack like Maidan and the authorities can blame any cause or person they like. No, there are no more "alleged" shooters. Personally, given recent occurrences of hoaxes, I think they should say "alleged victims," too.
The govt, its agencies and the corporate media lie to us about all foreign countries, the aim of our policy towards them, the state of the economy, proven harm of many pharmaceuticals, all manner of corruption, how trade and other supranational agreements enhance the power and income of the global oligarchs and many other things. Knowing this, yet many otherwise rational people are unable to entertain any skepticism towards govt/media productions. Here's a 10 minute video that debunks a small part of the Boston Marathon hoax. But most people are too close minded to look. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqzypHVzYAM
Posted by: Penelope | Jul 10 2016 21:50 utc | 117
"Penelope | Jul 10, 2016 6:06:41 AM | 98
My deep sympathy; you have truly become unmoored from reality.
Posted by: V. Arnold | Jul 10, 2016 7:43:03 AM | 99-"
V. Arnold, the headline of the article which I quoted is "Dallas Maidan Staged Snipers Designed to Inflict a Strategy of Tension." I was quoting a link, with which I do agree. http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/07/08/dallas-maidan-staged-snipers-designed-to-inflict-a-strategy-of-tension/ The error you are making is called an "ad hominem" argument. In order to disprove my argument, or that of the writer of this link it's necessary to actually grapple with the argument. Just shouting "You're crazy" isn't enough. Self-government and defeating those who would take it from us demands this degree of rigor from us. I promise to carefully consider any argument you make and even to answer it.
I suppose that it is too much to hope that you might actually have read the article or have made some slight investigation into the Dallas incident-- or even into one of the other incidents?
Posted by: Penelope | Jul 10 2016 22:00 utc | 118
Jackrabbit@109 - "...In the Minnesota shooting, police say they pulled the motorist over because he fit the description of an armed robbery suspect..."
Over-generalization. It should read, "...On the St. Anthony cop's personal Larpenteur Ave. speed/shakedown trap, they 'found' a reason to pull over a black couple with a child..."
There's probably a hundred black guys that fits the 'shoulder-length hair/wide nose" description that drive by that exact spot every day. Sorry, but Castile's facial hair doesn't even match the suspect. It speaks volumes that Yanez had to say explicitly that he had a reason to pull them over. Who even does that? They've been busted so many times for profiling there that they're more worried about that then blowing away a father in front of his family.
In the upscale, mostly-white St. Anthony suburb where Yanez and Kauser were stationed, this will never happen. If they would have pulled over a wealthy middle-aged white guy driving home from shopping with his wife and kid because the guy supposedly resembled a convenience store robber, then Yanez and Kauser would soon find themselves collecting shopping carts from the parking lot in Wal-Mart for a living. They won't even set up their speed-traps in 'their' suburb because they'll eventually ticket some St. Anthony lawyer that knows the mayor or police chief.
Lauderdale Ave. in Falcon Heights? Heh - that's 'little people'. What can those poor bastards do? They have to obey and are no threat to a well-armed cop. Besides, 'little people' are always up to something, so cops are always justified to randomly pull them over. They can always find something to bust those stupid damn peons. Why fish for crimes with traffic stops? Because it works and it's an easy revenue enhancer! /sarc
Castile's family attorney, Albert Goins, brought up the point about the reason for the stop:
"...Albert Goins, an attorney who assisted the family in the hours immediately following the shooting, said that if Castile was indeed a robbery suspect, officers would have initiated a felony traffic stop."A felony stop does not usually involve officers walking up to your car and asking you to produce your driver's license," Goins said. "A felony stop involves bringing the suspect out at gunpoint while officers are in a position of cover and having them lie on the ground until they can identify who that individual is. This seems to be totally inconsistent with normal police procedures."
Either way, Goins said, Yanez would have failed to follow protocol.
"It sounds like they're going to need to be a lot more investigation, and apart from that it doesn't excuse the conduct of the officer," Goins said. "Either (Castile) was a robbery suspect and (Yanez) didn't follow the procedures for a felony stop, or (Castile) was a robbery suspect and (Yanez) shot a man because he stood at his window getting his information..."
Posted by: PavewayIV | Jul 11 2016 0:31 utc | 119
Not sure what you're talking about.
He matched the description have a look !! https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/07/10/falcon-heights-philando-castile-shooting-update-radio-dispatch-and-dash-cams/
I seriously doubt upscale-looking whites are going to rob anything. But if per chance they did, they would probably get pulled over as well.
Regarding the lawyers statement well.. it's a lawyer and their own opinion
Posted by: bbbb | Jul 11 2016 0:47 utc | 120
@118 pw, 'It sounds like they're going to need to be a lot more investigation...'
The only way these cop killings could be brought under control would be through federal action, and Obama and his AGs have the protective coloring to stonewall that.
The one that gets me is LaVoy Finicum. The FBI set him up, executed him and then - poof - the music stopped. And the whole saga was never again mentioned. Anywhere. Certainly the victim of choice is disproportionately black, but the cops are killin' us all. And we're all just whistlin' past the cemetery.
@107 noirette, 'The US has a militarized police force. ... It thus behaves as one does towards an enemy, with military-like moves. The enemy is the public, which gradually becomes something like ‘the original inhabitants’ in vicious colonialist schemas, just like the settlers who eliminate all that isn’t them.'
That's it.
Posted by: jfl | Jul 11 2016 1:15 utc | 121
Maybe someone has already alluded to this. If so please forgive the duplication. This sounds eerily like Maidan Square in Kiev. Note the revelations re: snipers.
Deja vous all over again. http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-31359021
Posted by: Skip | Jul 11 2016 1:21 utc | 122
Afghan war veteran guns down five Dallas police
Micah Xavier Johnson, an Afghan War veteran who spent six years in the Army Reserves, opened fire Thursday night on Dallas police who were escorting a demonstration of hundreds of people protesting the police killings of unarmed black men. He killed five police and wounded seven. Two protesters were also wounded as gunfire erupted between police and Johnson, who was heavily armed and wearing military-style body armor.Despite initial police and media reports describing as many as half a dozen snipers “triangulated at elevated positions in different points in the downtown area” and shooting in a coordinated crossfire, all the damage was inflicted by a single gunman armed with an SKS semi-automatic rifle using .223 caliber ammunition, the civilian equivalent of the bullets with which Johnson was equipped while in Afghanistan.
As described by eyewitnesses and confirmed by cell phone videos, Johnson approached the line of police, who were in regular uniforms rather than riot gear, and opened fire with his assault rifle at nearly point-blank range. Some police returned fire, inflicting at least one wound, and they followed his blood trail as he fled into a nearby parking structure.
The gunman alternately exchanged gunfire with police and negotiated with them for several hours. These talks ended after Johnson threatened to kill more police, claimed that he had planted bombs in the parking structure and throughout the city, and declared that “the end is near.” The police deployed a remote-controlled bomb delivered by a robot, which approached Johnson and then exploded and killed him.
Is that an accurate description of what went down?
I wonder if this could have been an FBI entrapment, similar to all the entrapments of 'jihadists' that the FBI has engineered? Johnson approached by an FBI 'contact'. The talk would have been about the long-standing injustice dealt out to blacks in America.
'Someone should do something ... You're an ex-GI ... you could put your training to use, here at home ...'
That would account for the VBIED assassination of Micah Xavier Johnson. Like Tameralan Tsarnaev ... exploded men tell no tales.
A possibility. I'd bet it will be tried in future, regardless it went down that way this time, or not.
Posted by: jfl | Jul 11 2016 2:02 utc | 123
THIS sort of thing is why civilian gun owners NEED armor piercing ammo in their armory. Cops send a robot your way it needs to be taken out before it gets close since from this point it is probable the cops are pulling a "drone strike" on you. Best way to stop one of these IED delivery devices is AP ammo.
Posted by: Praedor | Jul 11 2016 2:10 utc | 124
Identity politics is being used to fragment and destabilize. You'll notice how the script allows a dupe of identity politics to maintain innocence of his group, whichever it is. Jay Dyer's piece on Dallas & identity politics is insightful. I recommend it.
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In Georgia, Missouri and Tennessee, authorities said gun-wielding civilians also shot officers in individual attacks that came after Alton Sterling and Philando Castile were killed this week in Louisiana and Minnesota. Two officers were wounded, one critically.
Authorities say a suburban St. Louis police officer was "ambushed" during a traffic stop Friday and shot at least once, wounding him critically, the Associated Press reports.
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Dallas protest organizer @revjeffhood told Dallas Morning News he wanted to "create a space for anger and rage" against police. This pastor says he is an Islamic homosexual & calls himself a Christian. He was the one who organized the Black Lives Matter Dallas protest on July 7. He supposedly graduated Auburn Theological and has been a pastor in Dallas for three years. I smell George Soros & this Pastor guy looks White.
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Lots of people including Ferguson residents say the Ferguson rioters were outsiders. I didn't follow it enough to be sure. Here's some info about Ferguson, of which I would say this is he continuation.
Posted by: Penelope | Jul 11 2016 2:56 utc | 125
Why don't cops have nonlethal bullets for their handgun? Put maybe 3 or 4 nonlethals in the cartridge and the rest can be real loads if a stoppage is required
Posted by: bbbb | Jul 11 2016 6:11 utc | 126
It doesn't matter how "bad" Ghaddafi was or wasn't. The undeniable facts are that His Libya, far from being a threat to its regional neighbors, was a source of huge, and hugely beneficial sums of money for investment in long-term infrastructure projects to make Libya and the region independent of Western financial parasitism.
My favourite example is of a Western-owned Comms Satellite for which Africa was paying confiscation levels of rent. Ghaddafi financed an African-owned Satellite to replace the White Man's Version of "Helpfulness" - for a total sum equivalent to 2 or 3 years of rent.
He also made himself unpopular with the West's sharks, leeches and vampires, by insisting that Western resource extractors in Libya recognised the Libyan origin/ ownership of those resources by mandating the Libya/Exploiter revenue split to "unfairly" favour Libyans.
Considering all the Western bullshit, smearing, and criminality invested in his overthrow and subsequent Stone-Aging of Libya, it's not in the least surprising that amateur and professional scumbags are coming here to MoA to reinforce the barrage of bullshit. If and when justice prevails, a lot of Western politicians will be in deep shit, of the Terminal variety, for the role they played in the unjustified and completely illegal destruction of Libya.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 11 2016 6:12 utc | 127
Hoarsewhispere@126 - "...If and when justice prevails..."
Oh, hell... that's kind of a deal-killer, HW. I'll be dead in thirty years or so. No way justice is going to prevail before then. I'm afraid I'm going to have to drag out the wood-chipper and do the job myself. I was really hoping to avoid that.
Posted by: PavewayIV | Jul 11 2016 6:48 utc | 128
BANGER @ 108, What a good comment. I'd like to follow up on a few bits.
"You have to assume that everything reported in the official press and statements by authorities is likely false in some way." Thank you for stating that; it needs to be said again and again because so many are afraid to acknowledge it.
"We are adrift in a sea of disinformation, misinformation, misdirection by organizations that use every great trick of stage magic, every possible nuance of what we have learned from social science over a century and so on." Yes, they use what we love against us. We love la naturaleza, and so they tell us that to save her we must do that which will give them full control. We love justice, and so they give to anyone who resists the character of a fiend and a killer of children. They clothe their theatre of manipulation with pathos that we may be deceived by our own compassion and honor.
"We need clarity and it has to start with foundational principles--personally I like to start with metaphysics and move to ethics but there is not room here for that analysis." Yes, our conception of reality itself is under attack on at least two tracks: First an interpretation of the double-slit experiment which insists that our awareness is the creator of reality. Second, perhaps derivative to the first, the overt failure to defend the existence of reality. Increasingly, the young speak of "my reality", not THE reality. And so one no longer expounds on an aspect of reality which others then confront, revise, and supplement. The reality of which one speaks threatens to become irrelevant since they merely assert that they have their own.
Worse still, a political consequece is the wish to be protected from hearing of a reality which differs from their own-- hence college students are beginning to ask to be dormed with like-minded people. In this respect and in so many others identity politics has taken over so totally that many people affirm fealty to the fragment of political identity or group chosen, quite happily reneging on even the possibility of truth.
You're correct about the left and right being useless. I think for many years they've just been a dialectic serving as the means to bring about the resolution desired by our gangster overlords.
We've an urgent need to identify concretely a vision of the desired political world behind which people can unite. I am sickened by the image of a free people waiting to see what scraps of innuendo or clues will be thrown to us by which little liars every 4 years.
Banger, if you feel like it get in touch w me & we'll compare notes. It's powellpenelope and I'm on yahoo.
Posted by: Penelope | Jul 11 2016 8:39 utc | 129
Could it be that The D**khead Donald is running a marketing and not a presidential campaign? Or is he broadcasting the approved modality of influence peddling in his putative "Administration"?
It sounds like a wild conspiracy theory. But then there it is, right before our very eyes. Again and again, we see Trump standing before the global media cameras knowing full well that he would receive wall-to-wall coverage, and instead of talking about policy, he shamelessly hawks his own Trump products....Nothing needs to be said. No arrangements need to be made. No express quid pro quos are necessary. It’s simply obvious. Everyone will know that if they desire favors from President Trump, they must patronize Trump properties and buy Trump products.
Alternet has also an article discussing his campaign organization and his relationship to the The Establishment.
His actual relationship to the establishment is, however, complex in an opportunistic way. He’s regularly tweeted his disdain for it.... And yet, he clearly considered himself part of it and has, at times, yearned for it. As he said early on in his run for the presidency, “I want the establishment -- look, I was part of the establishment. Let me explain. I was the establishment two months ago. I was like the fair-haired boy. I was a giver, a big giver. Once I decided to run, all of a sudden I’m sort of semi-anti-establishment.”
The piece continues by noting that Trump has been weak in fundraising, since he backed off his pledge to use his own loot to finance his (marketing) campaign. It also details who's in and who's out amongst campaign personnel and GOP movers and shakers.
But I think this bit of info is most revealing.
In addition to the usual money not flowing in from the usual crowd, there’s the issue of actually preparing to staff a future administration with the usual people, not to speak of the seasoned set of advisers that normally surround presidential candidates. Increasingly, it seems that they may not be available or have already left the proverbial building -- and that’s a problem....Usually by this time in the election cycle, nominees have pulled together their inner circle, mostly from well-known or rising establishment players, including policy wonks by the bucketful. He hasn’t. According to Vin Weber, a D.C.-based partner at Mercury, which bills itself as a global, high-stakes public strategy firm, who crafted Mitt Romney’s “policy shop” in 2012, the lack of infrastructure is unprecedented. Romney’s policy shop was first formed 18 months before the 2012 election and fine-tuned in January 2012. We’re in July 2016 and from Trump on this score -- nothing. Nada. “Nobody in Washington that I know of,” Weber says, “is assembling a staff for an incoming Trump administration.”
To be fair, Chris Christie seems to be auditioning for a post in the not-gonna-happen Trump "Administration." He's proposing a slight rise in our gas tax, to re-fund the depleted hiway fund, but a massive cut in the sales tax. It will blow a huge hole in the General Fund. All so he can tout the first broad-based tax cuts here in decades.
Posted by: rufus magister | Jul 11 2016 12:08 utc | 130
PavewayIV @119
1) I didn't say that I accept the police version, as signaled by my writing: "police say".
I referred to the official version to show that even if we give police the benefit of the doubt, the officer acted inappropriately.
With that said, police say it is on the dispatcher tape. And official records are not generally tampered with.
2) Your comment raises other issues that are very important and often overlooked.
>> Cops prey on minority communities as a source of revenue.
This was first brought to national attention by Ferguson. Our prisons - both public and private - also rely on harsh sentencing to justify their existence.>> Neoliberal thought has had a deleterious effect on public services.
Police and political leadership DON'T CHANGE how police are trained because they see themselves as serving those who pay for their services.
Lastly, I can't stress enough that politicians like Obama and the black misleadership class try to finesse the problem(s) and corporate media eagerly lends a hand (as I described @109).
Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 11 2016 13:34 utc | 131
You have to assume that everything reported in the official press and statements by authorities is likely false in some way. We have absolutely no way of knowing WTF is going on around us … Bangor at 108.
True enough. (Though i believe it is possible to reach some conclusions in some cases thru careful analysis.)
Remember when the internet got going and there were hopes of ‘citizen journalism’ - ppl would write in what they saw, experienced, etc.? That never took off, what we got instead was new journalism like Wikileaks, the Intercept (to mention two of many different strands), coupled with Mommy blogs (..etc..), infested political manouvering (fill in yr least favorite site), support for the PTB (Bellingcat for ex), and perhaps some more reach / exposure for some ‘alternative’ thinkers such as (US ex.) Chris Hedges and Alex Jones.. Why?
1) The PTB (corporate-Gvmt-financial nexus, neo-fascism) control the airwaves, TV first but others too (print, radio..), and thus hold an iron grip on ‘narratives’ and ‘facts’…
2) The repressive apparatus is very effective, stronger than ‘ordinary’ ppl realise or want to look at (they have done nothing wrong, the Stasi was a weird communistic nasty thing, etc.)
3) The internet provides a steam outlet which is monitored, it is useful to the PTB, provides endless info, sites are easily infiltrated, discredited, shut down, etc.
To push a point, US citizens are not controlled by Gvmt. though affected by it (Obama health care, for ex.), they are controlled by the media which necessarily seeps into their minds.
I’ll stop there but certain obvious conclusions follow.
Posted by: Noirette | Jul 11 2016 14:37 utc | 132
Penelope@116 - I concede: it was all an elaborate hoax. Good detective work!
Jackrabbit@131 - Sorry, I didn't mean to make it sound like those were your words. The disconnect between what the cops say to the dispatcher and how they act tells me everything I need to know - they either didn't really think Castile was the real suspect or they are the most incompetent cops on earth.
Posted by: PavewayIV | Jul 11 2016 18:16 utc | 133
in re 108, 132 –
A vast, ruthless all-powerful conspiracy able to control not only the entire planet in the here-and-now but the future as well. But so incompetent that it can be exposed by YouTube videos by rank amateurs.
The problem with proffered view of the media is this -- if the image crafted is too false, it is not believed. So what it presents is largely true. The manipulation lies in what is omitted, and the language used to describe and comment upon events.
The key to our present state of false consciousness lies not in the details of particular incidents, interesting and indeed instructive though they may be. It operates most effectively on the level of framing at the macro level.
Rapacious venture capital funds? They're not squeezing every last drop of surplus value out of their labor power. They're just "maximizing shareholder value." They're not driving down wages and worsening the conditions of labor, they're being "disruptive."
And isn't it funny? We workers need insecurity and instability to coerce us into labor. But the bosses need security, stability and predictability.
So here's the real question -- do you accept the narrative of the "end of history," of the desirability of the global neo-liberal economy and the permanence of capitalist rule? Or do you believe that the problem of misappropriation of the surplus value of the modern mode of production can be solved if the workers control the means of production?
And please do spare me lectures about needing to "open my eyes" to the nefarious "Deep State." I have a fairly complete run of CovertAction Information Bulletin and read Banford's The Puzzle Palace when it came out, back in my misspent youth.
Believe or disbelieve "The Narrative" begs the questions -- okay, sure, so who is running it, exactly how, towards what end? That there is a security apparatus and it does bad things is obvious. But different answers to the question of "who benefits and how" suggest different course of action.
The Romans, the European absolutists, and countless other regimes of yore had spies and political repression. And where are they now?
When the underlying political and socio-economic forces reach a critical mass, no amount of repression can hold back social revolution. If you want to make real change, that's what you have to know. Those forces all around you, they permeate our daily lives; it's the framing that prevents you from seeing it.
You need to study life, not supposed entrails of the next act of The Massively Large Conspiracy.
Hey, that's just The Way it Is.
Standing in line, marking time/Waiting for the welfare dime
'Cause they can't buy a job
The man in the silk suit hurries by/As he catches the poor old lady's eyes
Just for fun he says, Get a job.That's just the way it is/Some things will never change
That's just the way it is/Ah, but don't you believe them
Nice piano solo, but I really groove on that warm synth background.
Posted by: rufus magister | Jul 11 2016 23:48 utc | 134
@116, Le Pen, 'We are all outraged at police shooting of black men, but in this case we should be glad that no one was hurt.'
@133 pw, 'I concede: it was all an elaborate hoax. Good detective work!'
@116 was just another tl;dr post by Le Pen, Paveaway, but after seeing your response I went back and read it ... up to the line above. Pen has got nothing but her typical, omniscient assertions about what went down, based upon her 'none of this is real, no real harm done, it's all a hoax, don't worry be happy' presumption and her creative interpretation of material three arm's lengths away from what really did go down informed by that presumption. Can it be that you've swallowed that stuff hook, line, and sinker? I'd taken you for someone more thoroughly grounded than that. I don't know if Le Pen is self-medicating, or is working for 'the clinic', endlessly trying to medicate the rest of us. It's immaterial in any case.
Cut to the chase : produce Phil Castile, alive and well, or dead as a doornail. All else is smolder and smoke, just enough calories to fill Yet Another TL Comment, whether read or un-, and no light at all.
Posted by: jfl | Jul 12 2016 0:04 utc | 135
Rufus @ 134, "so incompetent that it [the conspiracy] can be exposed by YouTube videos by rank amateurs."
It's specific incidents that are exposed as hoaxes by independent investigators. Apparently it isn't necessary to more competently craft the hoaxes; most people feel the emotion that is intended and are in such denial that even when overwhelming evidence is presented they simply refuse to look at it. Others simply unthinkingly get their world view from the TV and fail to penetrate any part of the illusion.
"The problem with proffered view of the media is this -- if the image crafted is too false, it is not believed. So what it presents is largely true."
You're not really proferring that as an argument are you? Pretty poor.
You seem to protest that you know all about the Deep State, yet you've just denied its reality. I don't see any big mystery about its aims, either. If you look at the financial arrangements and at the world which is being constructed out of their supranational institutions it's clear that they are doing exactly what David Rockefeller says in his autobiography-- they're bleeding the nationstates of sovereignty, to replace them with a global oligarchy. http://opengov.ideascale.com/a/dtd/David-Rockefeller-s-book-Memoirs-admits-secretly-conspiring-for-a-NWO/4007-4049
Posted by: Penelope | Jul 12 2016 4:52 utc | 137
jfl-- Paveway wasn't serious. He was so disgusted that I would question what he regards as a man's death that he answered sarcastically.
Posted by: Penelope | Jul 12 2016 4:54 utc | 138
Penelope at 137 --
I did not deny the reality of the security apparatus. I disagree with estimations of their scope and effectiveness.
Uh, yeah, I think I made that argument. Let me restate it -- you can't fool everyone all the time. Kinda basic and obvious, it seems to me, make of it what you will. You would have to specify how something so "wrong" could be so widely believed.
Please bear in mind, the media is used to disseminate information into the lower ranks of elite opinion. To the degree that it requires profit and loss decisions and political calculations, the information is accurate. Too much distortion, and your elites start taking bad decisions. See the Fox News Echo Chamber and the Rethuglicans.
One is deceiving the masses, and this is more by omission and context than anything else.
Wikiquotes doubts the veracity of "The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries." It does rather seem odd to be so open about a super-secret conspiracy. That whole omniscience vs. incompetence thing again.
Purported remarks at a Bilderberg Group meeting in Baden-Baden, Germany in June 1991, The remarks are said to have been printed in several right-wing French publications shortly thereafter; as quoted in Programming, Pitfalls and Puppy-Dog Tales (1993) by Gyeorgos C. Hatonn, p. 65. Skepticism is in order for the accuracy or attribution of alleged remarks from these exclusive meetings, particularly those which could be manifestations of either satire, sarcasm — or outright fraudulence.
The quote from the memoirs does not quite contain the admission you think it does.
Some even believe we [Rockefeller family] are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - One World, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.
A "more integrated global... structure" isn't quite the same as "bleeding the nation-states of sovereignty, to replace them with a global oligarchy."
You got PW's sarcasm, why not Rockefeller's?
I again stress, follow the socio-economic forces, they are the prime movers. It's deep structures, not the "Deep State," driving change.
Posted by: rufus magister | Jul 12 2016 11:00 utc | 139
Just a cheap piece of unwanted advice to any who follow these tragedies up close and then exudes a ton of energy to convince others of what their insight is, right or wrong, take a deep breath and allow time to shake the details out a bit before dawning your Sherlock Holmes investigative powers.
Not every tragedy we've endured over especially the last eight years, and yes we can certainly go back further, is a false flag operation or a PsyOps or whatever. Some are just plain good ole tragedies while many are indeed contrived.
Just b/c we have information at our fingertips, we're smart, we've learned sources we have entrusted on the net - video and writing, and we 'see' things that don't add up, hear things that make little sense does not mean it's an operation of some kind or a tragic death.
The approach of a responsible person to these ordeals is who wishes to weigh in is to lay out 'facts' contrary to shaped 'opinion' is to have made it your business to study and learn every scintilla of information from all sources, carefully process those details, organize your insights and then share your findings with whomever your audience is. That's known as 'letting the facts speak for themselves'.
What an irresponsible person does in such situations is gain some information from a favorite or more internet sources, not take the time to carefully mull over what they've learned before offering their definitive opinion/theory/statement of fact of just how daggone naive we all are and if only we believed in you and your sleuthing skills we'd all be better off. Oh, and such arm chair insight must always end with the proverbial 'wake up...Wake Up...WAKE UP!!!'
Well, it may or may not come as a surprise to some here, but I'm confident that there are way more thoughtful seasoned posters here than credit is given. It's one of the reasons I follow these threads. There are way more wicked smart than naive who chime in here.
Just my two cents for what it's worth...
further to 134 --
Melissa Quart gets it. She describes How the Middle Class Is Being Crushed Into a Precarious Way of Life. Not content to automate and/or outsource factory and clerical workers, the bourgeoisie is now starting to view the managerial and professional petty-bourgeoisie as expendable as well.
We also need to question the pundits and companies that incant “artificial intelligence” as a mantra, even as they are celebrating a future where so many middle-class humans’ jobs may be jettisoned. And we can start to rebuke terms like “machine learning” or “disruption,” unmasking them—along with “the billionaires”—as some of the culprits.
You're a bad, deceitful term, and you'll never amount to anything.
Would this be a problem, ya' think, if workers controlled the means of production?
It's an easier on the eye at Alternet, but I think the comments more astute at Naked Capitalism
Buck Eschaton
July 12, 2016 at 12:34 pmI don’t think people realize just how bad it is. When I grew my parents worked manufacturing jobs. My father only made it through 8th grade and got his GED, but they were able to pay cash for new cars and cash for both the houses we lived in growing up, albeit they were small and in small towns, but still, not something my college educated wife and I could do. We can make all the bill payments, but I can’t imagine what would happen if one of us got sick. It is really bad for a very large percentage of people.
There are plenty of comments in this vein. One commentator provides a handy check list of middle class signifiers.
Posted by: rufus magister | Jul 12 2016 23:21 utc | 141
Rufus @ 139, " you can't fool everyone all the time." Kinda basic and obvious, it seems to me, make of it what you will."
Many people are NOT fooled all the time. Most everyone on this site is not fooled concerning international politics, state of the economy, our shrinking rights, corruption. Quite a number of people are not even fooled about global warming or the many hoax incidents. Even more people realize that the events are engineered and false in some particular.
" You would have to specify how something so "wrong" could be so widely believed."
The media, published books, the work of paid think tanks. The crafting of disinformation-- from the general worldview to specific propaganda put out by the Pentagon-- is very big business. The Rockefeller interests alone control more than 2,000 domestic NGOs. Politicians at every level are purveyors of info and a vast number are corrupted into telling lies. Academia has been corrupted too, through publishing contracts and research grants, so they tell lies too-- most notably regarding global warming. History has long been full of lies.
"Please bear in mind, the media is used to disseminate information into the lower ranks of elite opinion. To the degree that it requires profit and loss decisions and political calculations, the information is accurate. Too much distortion, and your elites start taking bad decisions."
1.I doubt the media is used to guide the actions of lower ranks of elites, whether through info or otherwise. Our mobster oligarchs have many other ways of disseminating instructions or controlling behavior.
2.Besides, if lower "elites" think a hoax is an actual event it's unlikely to alter their profit & loss decisions.
3. And finally, poor decisions are oft exactly what the oligarchs want, since they are intent upon bringing down the economies of both the EU & US. They spent a good deal of effort to ruin the economies of entire countries and many US cities and counties-- through derivatives.
"One is deceiving the masses, and this is more by omission and context than anything else."
Unsubstantiated. Nearly every word out of the mouth of Obama or Kerry is a lie, dutifully megaphoned by media. In foreign policy and in the characterization of other govts stupendous lies are told-- not mere omissions.
"Wikiquotes doubts the veracity of "The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries." It does rather seem odd to be so open about a super-secret conspiracy. That whole omniscience vs. incompetence thing again."
Who says it's super-secret. In many ways it's an "open conspiracy", though people in power usually mischaracterize their motives and purposes.
"omniscience vs incompetence argument"? I don't know what you mean.
Look, surely you don't doubt that there is an international oligarchy which wants untrammelled rule. Do you actually doubt that? Every supranational institution & the international monetary system fairly shout it. I find I really don't know what the point of disagreement is. Do you?
Posted by: Penelope | Jul 14 2016 5:49 utc | 142
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