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U.S. Election Thread 2016-04 – Premature Presumptive
The Associated Press yesterday declared Hillary Clinton to be the "presumptive" Democratic nominee for the presidential election based on alleged pledges of anonymous super-delegates.
This was a quite unprecedented interference in still ongoing and upcoming primaries on a day when no new public vote count was available.
Bernie Sanders said he will continue to campaign up to the convention. His hope is that either the FBI will indict Hillary Clinton for using an unsecured private email server for classified state business, or that some other Clinton scandal will make it most likely that she would lose a vote against Trump. In both cases some super-delegates may change their vote and the convention might vote for Sanders as nominee.
The FBI is under Obama's control and there no doubt that he wants Clinton as candidate to continue his right-leaning policies. But the FBI tends to be leaking quite a bit and someone with access to the case may want to speak to some enterprising reporters.
Sanders requested a meeting with Obama which will happen on Thursday. Obama will offer him a bad deal which would be akin to a total capitulation. Sanders will look for a way to sneak at least some of his preferred policies into the party agenda. He will demand some significant price for endorsing Clinton and will probably wait to do so up to the last minute.
People around the world will wonder what democracy is all about when a race for a presidency ends up as a contest between the two most disliked people in the field who are both proxies for the more or less same small social segment.
The "Not Hillary" voices will not die down. A seemingly racist Trump with otherwise unpredictable policies may be less damaging to the world than an unreconstructed neolibcon Clinton.
So it happened again. This time with a blatant suppression of votes (that calls for criminal investigation into violation of election law) by a corporate behemoth such as AP doing its dreadful Orwellian deed of straight lie for oligarchic class.
Make no mistake, tonight, Dems party mafia and disgusting Wall Street oligarchs have spoken loudly while people have been largely gagged and defrauded, purged, and betrayed in this already year long farcical spectacle of rich, constipated and ought to be indicted lowlifes, called US elections. Oh yes she made a history of having more political balls than flaccid Trump.
Those few who genuinely support Hillary must understand that by supporting the very fascist establishment candidate in the end they support American fascism whether Hillarism or Trumpism, no difference, and that they will soon be sacrificed and consumed by its flames no matter what lies they are being told.
Dems primary elections farce already have been rigged and stolen months ago starting from Iowa and N.H., and a stooge of the establishment is about to be anointed according to the will of those few opulent who paid her off. Not you, even if you voted for her. Your vote don’t count at all.Oligarchs won. Are you happy?
On the other hand Sanders supporters must be confronted with harsh reality of undeniably and fatally flawed Sander candidacy, mostly not due to his personal failings but due to a deeply unfair and outrageously undemocratic electoral system he chose to accept and vowed to uphold. Why?
It is as clear as it gets that Sanders was a flawed candidate to hopelessly flawed, deeply undemocratic electoral system that is specifically designed to prevent ruling elite from heeding cry of suffering population, not to mention their willingness of doing something about.
But that’s not even democracy. In democracy people rule and do not ask power to heed their grievances, that’s feudalism.
Having said that, Sanders campaign was not off mainstream or radical in any way but of a conservative centrist type aimed to stop political madness. He was a solemn voice of sanity in this crazy campaign spectacle; he advocated a moderate, even modest call for return to simple rule of law destroyed by oligarchic class like Clintons, Trumps and their masters.
Sanders campaign was a failed attempt to save democrats’ party from oblivion so was successful so far Trump candidacy aiming to save GOP from complete irrelevancy. Sanders asked politely Dems’ establishment not to believe their own utter lies and they sadly but not unexpectedly refused clinching to Wall Street pockets begging for a change.
Make no mistake, Hillary and Trump are both excretions of the same abhorrent regime, equally hostile to humanity and both deserve utter condemnation from majority of Americans not as a political or ideological act but as an act of self-preservation and self-defense.
Besides Trumps tasteless reality show passed in MSM as campaign, it was Hillary campaign that was nothing but ridiculous, shameless influence peddling for oligarchs via lies and innuendoes for money she got paid for, an intellectual embarrassment for otherwise witty Clinton, who stooped into utter nonsense and retarded incoherence punctuated by her vicious ad hominem aggression, outbursts liken to lowlife blog troll against decent man epitomizing civility missing from a screen play of this electoral farce, complete opposite to her conniving husband she praises and wants him in W.H. position.
What does tell about her character and basic morality?
Still, in fact Sanders would be right if he calls for Hillary to resign if her criminal investigation is not dropped, and her bought speeches and taxes since 2008 not released before convention.
It is critical that Sanders understands that those millions of votes people cast for him already are not his votes; these are people’s votes that must be respected and democratically counted. His responsibility is to guard people’s votes and protect them by whatever means available, legal or political or revolutionary.
What’s ironic that this time as well, millions of irrational, desperate and helpless Democrat electoral zombies, under a spell of exciting political masquerade and their serf’s duties, instead of choosing reason and self preservation are aligning themselves with an anointed by establishment “winner” of a popularity/beauty contest who in fact will inevitably drive utter destruction of the Democratic party itself while a “socialist” Sanders wants really to transform it, to redirect Dems from worshiping of heartless greedy Wall Street oligarchy toward ordinary people to, in a word, save it while Clinton mafia is continuing to authorize Jonestown-like suicide mission of the democrat party into political oblivion.
Now it is the last moment to start protests of this fatally deeply undemocratic system that will never bring any change unless people force it, by taking it over. In this election, it is the system stupid.
Decision time is now whether Sanders continues as independent and respect millions of his voters or he ultimately reveals himself as a sheepherder for the establishment and endorses Clinton as I and many others suspected already 10 months ago.
Political stooges, those farcical clowns of this abhorrent regime will soon understand that there is no silent majority but only temporarily “silenced majority” and when they hear their roar it will be the last thing they ever hear.
“The individual loses his substance by voluntarily bowing to an
overpowering and distant oligarchy, while simultaneously
“participating” in sham democracy.”
C. Wright Mills,”The Power Elite” (1956)
This is not about Bernie or bust. This is about Bernie or revolution
or precisely about:
A Revolution with Bernie or without him.
Posted by: Kalen | Jun 8 2016 10:32 utc | 13
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Rusty Pipes | Jun 8, 2016 4:56:44 PM | 56
I have heard the Biden theory elsewhere in the past few days. I’m not sure exactly how Obama could just replace Clinton with Biden before or after the convention.
History is the best teacher here. HRC getting indicted would be the equivalent, politically, of Bobby K getting a bullet in the head in 1968. Either way, the leading Democrat is eliminated from the race right after the CA primary. In ‘68 the ideologues were the anti-war candidates McGovern and McCarthy, the equivalents of Sanders today.
Hubert Humphrey was Johnson’s VP, equivalent to Biden. Like Biden, Humphrey did not run in a single primary, but at the convention a back-room deal was done so that Kennedy’s delegates didn’t go to McCarthy and McGoven – they got shafted. Humphrey waded in and took the lot. That’s why Chicago blew up in everybody’s face. Philadelphia will, too, if Sanders gets shafted, but – hey – that’s politics.
If Obama is playing a role in this process, it is almost certainly orchestrating the FBI/DOJ announcement on what they are going to do with HRC so that a) Biden gets the nomination, b) HRC gets off the hook, and c) Sanders gets some sort of consolation prize in the hopes of avoiding repeat shaft-job-induced violence.
Taking down Trump is too important. If Comey/Lynch don’t indict HRC or if Obama exonerates her, Trump will use her to pound the Democrats into the ground and the next thing you know the US will be at war with Mexico, Russia, China, Syria, and Megyn Kelly. Nor can the Democrats afford to hang their hopes on independent voters of middle America supporting a septugenarian Jew. Never happen. It’s down to Biden or Trump.
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RudyM | Jun 8, 2016 5:09:42 PM | 58
Joe “I am a Zionist” Biden is Hillary lite in too many respects. For me anyway.
Yeah, I don’t like the guy particularly and dread the thought of 4 years of him going on and on about his dead family members. And judging by his loose mouth in times past, he’s thick as a brick, diplomatically speaking.
But he is the paragon of a pol – in both the worst sense and the best sense of the term. If you get a chance, find his speech to the California Democratic Convention in late Feb. It is a freakin’ masterpiece. “Go Joe” signs all over the place, and a campaign speech to match JFK – well, JFK on an off day.
I’m luke-warm on Warren. She’s such an Yisrael-firster and almost as ambition-blinded as HRC. I don’t trust overly ambitious women, I’ve been married too many times not to be jittery. If I had my choice of a presidential or vice-presidential candidate — and if she had 10 more years of experience — I’d be all over Tulsi Gabbard. Brilliant woman.
But Biden and Warren would (will?) be unstoppable against Trump. It would be a 25 point spread.
Posted by: Denis | Jun 9 2016 1:21 utc | 66
what i don’t understand is europe? bolasete @ 42.
A bit OT? anyway… Cameron, Merkel, Hollande, and others have not said much about the US elections except to vilify Trump, — they are just following what they glom as the US PTB line, knee-jerk reactions along the Dem. apparatus stance, as Killary is supposed to win.
In the Dems. abroad primary, 70% voted for Sanders, which threw up some positive comments about him from EU bigwigs but these were not ‘public positions’ and didn’t make the MSM. (Sanders is the mirror image of what Europe ‘likes’.)
It is said that EU countries (particularly Germany, occupied since after WW2; France as an ‘exception’ has been cracked down on hard; Sweden as ‘innately’ pro US; GB as the long standing ally, and others) are completely under the thumb of the US.
Either by direct, if long standing, manipulation (Young leaders, infiltration, corruption, blackmail, power games, the economy, banking, etc.) or more seriously imho through the EU structure which was quasi-created and heavily supported by the US since the Marshall plan.
The EU was implemented to control from above (and a super-structure does a fantastic job) and to prevent ‘rogues’ from ‘splintering’ and generally to not have 30 interlocutors (presidents, parliaments, voters, etc.) but to be able to deal with say Juncker and Merkel and whomever and not more. To destroy the Nation States of Europe, some of whom are still quite powerful. The EU project is clearly based on the idea of “Regions” – with their own folklore, food, and local cash-flow kitty – run by the EU.
What has happened now, ppl say, is merely that the masks have come off. This subservient EU was supposed to be a bulwark against Russia, but during the Cold War and then the USSR crash collapse, ostensive activation was unecessary.
Once Russia rose from the ashes the threat of a Europe-Russia not exactly alliance but strongly integrated economical, *energy*, cultural, partnership, etc. (“Lisbon to Vladivostok”) became an existential danger to US supremacy. The screws had to be applied! Therefore Ukraine, the expansion of NATO, and so on. The US loosing power is another factor.
All this is more or less correct, imho, and posted on thse lines before, but ignores the grip of economic models (néo-libéral in F; corporatist, capitalistic or even fascist, if you will), and other matters.
Posted by: Noirette | Jun 9 2016 21:04 utc | 82
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