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June 24, 2016

The #ReverseBrexit Campaign Has Begun

The British people voted to exit the EU.

But, as I said, Brexit ain't gonna happen

.. the powers that are will not allow Britain to exit the European Union.

Immediately after the result was announced the campaign for a "revote", which would give the voters the chance to correct their wrong views, began. Here is a glimpse. First a BBC editor:

Louisa Compton @louisa_compton

With leave voters in Manchester for BBCNews -most told us they woke up thinking "what have I done?" & didn't actually expect the uk to leave

Retweets 2,209 Likes 882

2:52 AM - 24 Jun 2016

"See, the people did not really mean it," says the official mouthpiece of the ruling powers.

"Most told us," is of course always fine to manipulate opinions. But "most" of what?

Here is another obvious spin:

The Independent @Independent

So many people are signing the petition for a second #EUref the government site has crashed -> Brexit: Petition for second EU referendum so popular the government site's crashing

Retweets 1,589 Likes 610

1:00 AM - 24 Jun 2016

That Independent tweet did wonders. The petition site was suddenly so "crashed" and "inaccessible" that only 15,710 people signed on within just the last hour.

So The Independent had a bad web connection? Or was it the point of the tweet and article to drive the people to the well accessible site?

And what please is the democratic legitimization of some ad-hoc petition with 100,000 signatories, many possibly by artificial entities, when millions just decided deliberately and consciously after an exhausting discussion of the question?

The powers that are on both sides of the Atlantic will use all means to reverse the decision of the British people. Or to make it irrelevant. The high-powered, opinion leading media tweets above are just the start of the #ReverseBrexit campaign. It will intensify and blare through all channels.

It will require diligence and hard work by the majority that voted for Brexit to see their will fulfilled.

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Thanks again uktahder

Posted by: Nana2007 | Jun 25 2016 3:36 utc | 101

'B' was utterly wrong about that in 2013. He was "certain" about it based on bad info about how UK democratic politics works. The two posts from 'B' over the past two days are just as utterly wrong.
Posted by: Ghubar Shabih | Jun 24, 2016 7:09:18 PM | 76

Love the logic...
Deriding one of b's accurate observations as utterly wrong makes Ghubar's idle speculation utterly right?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 25 2016 4:48 utc | 102

Time to change the thread?

Yes, I am a misanthrope. Yes, I am a cynic. Yes, I do believe that anyone can be co-opted. My current favorite is none other than Chomsky --- he has written eloquently about the failings of our alleged system in the US. Then announces that he will vote for Hillary. Why?

I have no idea, but given who his employer is, maybe he's just covering his ass. Most people will quit with their alleged idealism once their own personal situation improves or is threatened. Most people don't care about others except as stepping stones for their own agenda.

In such a scenario, is it any wonder that some would consider obliteration as a solution? Mucking about in the slime of a system stacked against you reminds me of the pigs on our dairy farm as a kid. They seemed to be happy with the spoiled milk that they were fed with their daily gruel. True, those pigs did make for tasty bacon, but wouldn't they have been better off without people exploiting them? In the same context, I suggest that nana is both new and old. Hmm?

Posted by: rg the lg | Jun 25 2016 4:54 utc | 103

Brought to you by Porky Pig, strangely enough.

Speaking of killing "things":

Posted by: Oddlots | Jun 25 2016 5:34 utc | 104

From a Welsh friend:

"And yes, very interesting dramatic times. Last night was amazing. I feel the stirring of this country here, it is palpable. Almost as if the lands shakes and tilts and moves. Some people are terribly upset, they fear the extreme right, nationalism, they think they will cause violence against the coloured and foreign immigrants, and persecute the minorities and so forth. But I don't think that will happen. I think it is just a resurgence of patriotism. I think that the masses are quite level headed and honourable, kind, generous toward those who need help. They will prevent any extremist reaction. What they want is fairness and justice, and no more lies and bullshit from the rich elite, tricking them all the time.

"It's sort of 'This is OUR country, stop telling us what to do with OUR country, we are the ones who live here, we will decide what WE want, not you bankers, Americans, Europeans, Rothschilds, etc, etc, get the fuck out, leave us to sort out our own affairs'. It might be that there will be a new extreme right fascist movement, as there was in the 1930's, but if so, I doubt they will get much support."

Posted by: Penelope | Jun 25 2016 6:49 utc | 105

A Pols, I don't know the derivation, but I sus pect that it was once "The powers that would be" and the "would" was later dropped.

That is, "would" in the sense of "a wish", as in "would that I could".

Posted by: Penelope | Jun 25 2016 7:01 utc | 106

Yes, you're right about a campaign to reverse the outcome which has already started. Here's Canada's national newspaper, the Globe and Mail calling for just that:

Posted by: Patrick | Jun 25 2016 7:12 utc | 107

You just gotta love the Russian (actually Russian-speaking Ukraine) sense of humor. Zakharchenko, the elected leader of the DNT has congratualted the UK on its vote to peacefully leave the EU. h/t to the Crimeans for doing that first wrt Ukraine.

One other question not asked about BrExit - how does it effect the probability that the Anglo-Zionist desired war in Europe actually goes hot? With UK out and Anglo-Zionist stooge Merkel in place, I guess it might have increased assuming it could be confined to mainland Europe. However, BrExit may give the Germans the opportunity to get rid of Merkel. In which case, EU could possibly align with Russia for natural trade purposes. Then pffft!

Posted by: Yonatan | Jun 25 2016 9:22 utc | 108

The pressure comes immediately

Brexit talks must be swift - EU commissioner

Brexit negotiations must take place "quickly and swiftly", according to EU Commissioner Pierre Moscovici.Asked if the EU should have given David Cameron a better deal in the renegotiation, he told Sarah Montague it was "not possible" to give more concessions to the UK.
France's Calais seeks border deal changes
Moody's cut UK's credit outlook to 'negative'
Brexit talks must be quick, City of London at risk of losing 'EU passport': ECB's Villeroy

Posted by: okie farmer | Jun 25 2016 9:22 utc | 109

Damn this thread that again stretches clear across my screen! I want a proper column.

Posted by: Quentin | Jun 25 2016 9:38 utc | 110

More of the #ReverseBrexit campaign:

These are all MSM propagandists with high multiplication factors who earlier were heavy in the #Remain campaign.

Don't think that this is uncoordinated.

From the main German tabloid the sniveler #JihadJulian

Julian Röpcke @JulianRoepcke

1 Million Brits want 2nd #EUreferendum to reverse #Brexit vote.

From Channel 4

Jon Snow

The bakery this morning, two 6th formers earning extra cash; In tears to me: "What have these old people who voted LEAVE done to our lives?"
10:12am · 25 Jun 2016 · Twitter Web Client

1,438 Retweets 1,469 Likes

From the (West associated) Moscow Times

Oliver Carroll

Petition calling for repeat referendum nears 1million signatures. This might - stress might - get interesting.

These are just from my limited timeline. There are surely more.

Posted by: b | Jun 25 2016 10:27 utc | 111

b | Jun 25, 2016 6:27:13 AM | 111

I've no doubt slaves miss their security, fear risk, and the unknown.
Pity, but not unexpected...

Posted by: V. Arnold | Jun 25 2016 10:40 utc | 112

From Yahoo News..

German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier said on Saturday...........we won't let anyone take Europe from us," he said heading into a meeting in Berlin of his counterparts from the EU's six founding members.

When did Germany own Europe or did Europe sell their souls to Germany?

Posted by: Jack Smith | Jun 25 2016 10:45 utc | 113

Perimetr @ 94 National-security rationale? Today on CNN Brexit was presented as having implications for'security', be a 'security threat'. I only saw the images because the sound was off in the waiting room, but the message was crystal clear: beware! Interspersed between CNN's talking heads and political one were images of actual Islamic State violence (white Toyotas). What Brexit and Islamic State might have to do with each other is beyond me. Nevertheless I became very, very afraid and still am. How can I overcome my anxiety?

Posted by: Quentin | Jun 25 2016 12:28 utc | 114

Doesn't sound like Steinmeier - "us" would be the founding members.

According to this here he wants close cooperation with France and concentration on a common foreign and security policy.

In all fairness b. a 52 percent decision is a split. A lot can happen when people realize that Scotland and Ireland will be independent. It seems that the population of London also voted "remain". How English politicians plan to survive that, I don't know. It also seems that the "populist" anti-EC vote was driven by anti-refugee sentiment.

I do hope it will be the end of the British conservative party.

Posted by: somebody | Jun 25 2016 12:29 utc | 115

The British have only been a member of the EU for 15? years.I'm sure they remember how to govern and create prosperity for their people.
The only nationalism the Zionists approve of is their own.

Posted by: dahoit | Jun 25 2016 12:39 utc | 116

Funny how in 2014, press was full of apocalyptic warnings about "new nationalism" in Scotland, "the rise of populism" in the scotland referendum, teaching the reader about the dangers of leaving the pound sterling etc. etc. etc. After the referendum voted "remain with britain" every major newspaper was happy that they stayed and predicted no further referendum for at least ten years.

Now they are similarly enthusiastic, just 180° turned. New Independence referendum for scotland? sure! Another Brexit referendum right now? of course!

Guess there are few events where a dig into some 2-year old articles will turn up more contradictions than this one.

Posted by: radiator | Jun 25 2016 13:12 utc | 117


Posted by: dahoit | Jun 25 2016 13:16 utc | 118

Well, it is England and Wales not Britain, remember?

Talked to a few Serbian guys last night. They said Yougloslavia has been the testing laboratory for this type of thing.

This here is Yorkshire

Council leaders in the region are also expected to press the case for accelerated moves towards handing more powers into local control.

They are likely to seek reassurances that leaving the EU will not be a cover for concentrating decision-making in London.

Concern has already been expressed that the prospect of David Cameron’s departure from Downing St could put current devolution discussions in doubt.

When German policies will have to be coordinated with Munich, King Ludwig will be laughing in his grave.

Posted by: somebody | Jun 25 2016 13:25 utc | 119

Blowback courtesy of the neocon/Israeli-first, ‘Assad must go’ Syria policy. As long as the prime objective of U.S. mid-east strategy is to serve Israel’s interests, any consequences from its actions will be deemed to be, as Madeline Albright put it: “we think the price is worth it”.

Posted by: pantaraxia | Jun 25 2016 13:44 utc | 120


interview with Michael Hudson re: Blowback

How Western Military Interventions Shaped the Brexit Vote

Posted by: pantaraxia | Jun 25 2016 13:52 utc | 121

Penelope 105.

What they want is fairness and justice, and no more lies and bullshit from the rich elite, tricking them all the time.
your Welsh friend is in for a big diappointment, as both sides are being led by liars and bullshitters from the rich elite. The Outers even more than the Inners.

Actually the Welsh are the ones who've done their own interests the most injury. They all voted Out, when they had £500 million in local development grants from the EU. They're now asking for that funding to be replaced from London. Fat chance.

Posted by: Laguerre | Jun 25 2016 14:17 utc | 122

Posted by: pantaraxia | Jun 25, 2016 9:52:42 AM | 121

It is not true what he is saying, Middle Eastern refugees being the main reason for BREXIT. Britain can close its borders and it did. They cannot close their borders to Eastern European immigrants within the EU. And that actually was the immigration argument - being able to close the borders to Europeans.

You have to look at what the BREXIT campaign argued and what people voted on

a) The UK's liabilities to the financial mechanisms of the European Union
ie bail out other countries - this would work in Germany, too
the threat of having to join the Euro - Germany got the Euro but the austerity part of Germans would wish to return to Mark

b) the positive example of Norway

c) regulation of agriculture and fishing

d) the loss of souvereignty and democracy

The campaign itself is completely unaccountable, people said, promised and argued different things to support BREXIT. No one voting for it really knew its consequence. The British right wing sure used it for all kinds of racist argument.
As is, it means the breakup of Britain.

In an US context you can compare it to New York voting for independence from Washington.

Posted by: somebody | Jun 25 2016 14:28 utc | 123
More than 1.5 million and rising sign UK petition for new EU referendum

Posted by: okie farmer | Jun 25 2016 14:48 utc | 124

OffGuardian has an article about how the petition is a fraud. You can sign it multiple times with different email addies and fake names. No checks. Thing is a farce.

The reverse referendum petition is a fraud

Posted by: prosceptic | Jun 25 2016 15:13 utc | 125

This AthensLive interview snippet is making the rounds...

The full interview is apparently to be broadcast tomorrow (Sunday).

Posted by: Bryce Wellington | Jun 25 2016 16:06 utc | 126

Link (which was eaten by the software):

Posted by: Bryce Wellington | Jun 25 2016 16:06 utc | 127

Jen at 75. heh, setting me an’ Pen straight… Helmer only points out the same in another more slip-shod way (nothing against him.)

Everyone knows that Oxf., Camb. (+ others, like Warwick, I have visted them all) are seats of learning / training for aspirants for the PTB / GB nomenkaltura and so are ideologically, at the same time financially, tied to 'class privilege', pegged on certain criteria: > Connections, family, nobility, money, property, roots, sex appeal, sports, stars, aka role in the MSM, etc.; shareholders, participators in various entreprises, living off bonuses and dividends, etc., implicated in various deals, participation of world corp - domination, banking, etc., Voted .. ‘Remain’. I.e. for global-corporatism.

—tangent -- …Stockport as an ex... (voted ++ remain) been there, spent time there, super interesting, no ‘academic’ kudos, a bastion of old money, landowners pro-Tory, (though Blair was admired gingerly) investments sag, the 10-room home has to be given up. Miranda, Phillipa, Arabella, are f*** Manuel, Sergio, Andriej, (o those immigrants!) they are great tennis partners etc. For the 3 b-room home, the bank is hovering…tough times. Lawns very scorched. The kiddies play cricket valiantly and are diagnosed with ADH and allergies. The horses I avoided.

Two lives were saved while I as there: Toby the dog (from drowning) and Fergus the Parrot, from starvation after being abandoned in an empty lux home. Sadly, Tweety the parakeet went AWOL and was eaten up by Lola the cat, or so it was concluded after some time. ;)

Posted by: Noirette | Jun 25 2016 18:28 utc | 128

The EU and the Euro is a potential threat to a weakened US. It may have the brainchild of the US to facilitate better control over the rag tag crew but how it's viewed now is probably much different than at the start.

The demise of EU is intentional.

Posted by: ThatDamnGood | Jun 25 2016 18:32 utc | 129

Posted by: Bryce Wellington | Jun 25, 2016 12:06:58 PM | 127

It's a very good link.

Posted by: somebody | Jun 25 2016 18:50 utc | 130

Posted by: Bryce Wellington | Jun 25, 2016 12:06:02 PM | 126

Looking forward to the full interview!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jun 25 2016 19:06 utc | 131

The British have only been a member of the EU for 15? years.I'm sure they remember how to govern and create prosperity for their people.
The only nationalism the Zionists approve of is their own.

Posted by: dahoit | Jun 25, 2016 8:39:28 AM | 116

Britain joined the EEC in 1973 that's a lot longer than 15 years but why let inconvenient things like facts get in the way of your obsessive wankery.

Posted by: Irony maiden | Jun 26 2016 10:50 utc | 132

It was Victoria Nuland of the U.S. State Department who said: "F*** the EU!"

Posted by: lysias | Jun 27 2016 15:21 utc | 133

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