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June 24, 2016

The #ReverseBrexit Campaign Has Begun

The British people voted to exit the EU.

But, as I said, Brexit ain't gonna happen

.. the powers that are will not allow Britain to exit the European Union.

Immediately after the result was announced the campaign for a "revote", which would give the voters the chance to correct their wrong views, began. Here is a glimpse. First a BBC editor:

Louisa Compton @louisa_compton

With leave voters in Manchester for BBCNews -most told us they woke up thinking "what have I done?" & didn't actually expect the uk to leave

Retweets 2,209 Likes 882

2:52 AM - 24 Jun 2016

"See, the people did not really mean it," says the official mouthpiece of the ruling powers.

"Most told us," is of course always fine to manipulate opinions. But "most" of what?

Here is another obvious spin:

The Independent @Independent

So many people are signing the petition for a second #EUref the government site has crashed -> Brexit: Petition for second EU referendum so popular the government site's crashing

Retweets 1,589 Likes 610

1:00 AM - 24 Jun 2016

That Independent tweet did wonders. The petition site was suddenly so "crashed" and "inaccessible" that only 15,710 people signed on within just the last hour.

So The Independent had a bad web connection? Or was it the point of the tweet and article to drive the people to the well accessible site?

And what please is the democratic legitimization of some ad-hoc petition with 100,000 signatories, many possibly by artificial entities, when millions just decided deliberately and consciously after an exhausting discussion of the question?

The powers that are on both sides of the Atlantic will use all means to reverse the decision of the British people. Or to make it irrelevant. The high-powered, opinion leading media tweets above are just the start of the #ReverseBrexit campaign. It will intensify and blare through all channels.

It will require diligence and hard work by the majority that voted for Brexit to see their will fulfilled.

Posted by b on June 24, 2016 at 12:05 UTC | Permalink

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OK, dude, now you've doubled down on your prediction that "Brexit ain't gonna' happen." Given that right out of the gates you said it didn't matter which way the vote went, the Brexit itself was not going to happen makes it a bold prediction. (Just predicting which way the vote would go would have been essentially, 50:50.) But this prediction is about conspiracies.

Cameron has resigned, suggesting that the UK really is out the door. And the fact that a bunch of Brits who voted stay in are now flooding the Independent website means absolutely nothing.

Personally, I predict you're gonna' eat this one.

The idiot here is, of course, Nigel Farge. That guy is almost as much an embarrassment to UK as Trump is to US -- the brains and looks of a douche bag.

Posted by: Denis | Jun 24 2016 12:17 utc | 1

I hate to be nitpicking, but the phrase is "the powers that be" not "the powers that are."

Posted by: al | Jun 24 2016 12:20 utc | 2

no, no reversal as there would be a revolution.

Posted by: Mischi | Jun 24 2016 12:39 utc | 3

Posted by: al | Jun 24, 2016 8:20:00 AM | 2

I hate to be nitpicking

No you don't. You're a nitpicker. Be yourself.

As for the powers that be, or were, there's plenty of reason to be skeptical about the outcome. I tend to think, or hope, that the nimrods in Brussels will take the opportunity to undo themselves further by making an example of UK's temerity. Then again there's a bit of a leadership vacuum in the UK. We'll see.

Posted by: Nana2007 | Jun 24 2016 12:56 utc | 4

Agree with #3. Much as they would like to - they can't. Anyway, no real problem for TPTB, they can still do back-door deals without having to play charades at Brussels. Business as Usual. The shrieks and howls from the Guardian and the unemployed members of the European parliament is what we have to put up with.

If you have any old deutschmarks in a drawer - you may yet get to spend them :)

Posted by: DM | Jun 24 2016 13:01 utc | 5

Let the powers that be steam, and wring their hands, and grind there teeth over this. I hope the people in Britain will hold fast in their decision.

Posted by: Copeland | Jun 24 2016 13:08 utc | 6


no, no reversal as there would be a revolution.

No, there wouldn't.

The UK will exit the EU and it will be quick and unpleasant for the English and Welsh pour encourager les autres. Johnson wants to take his time because he thinks he can obtain terms that give the UK all the benefits of the EU but none of the burdens. In that he as usual is wrong. The City of London is finished as the world's leading financial centre and the UK won't have access to the single market so we're fucked and our chances of getting back in at a later date on anything like the terms we currently have are zero. Hopefully, Scotland will regain its independence and be allowed to remain in the EU. And it will be interesting to see if the loyalists in Northern Ireland remain so loyal or whether enough of them will decide that Ireland + EU is better than UK - EU. My money ould be on an independent Scotland and a United Ireland

Posted by: blowback | Jun 24 2016 13:08 utc | 7

1. The Brits had the prescience not to give up the Pound. They were always "not-so -in."

2. This is the end of Merkle’s reign as the queen of Europe and the end of the New German Empire

3. The flag will now be a ring of stars with an “X” through one of them. At least one for now, the “X’s” will accumulate.

4. I never understood the tax structure of the EU. Do people pay taxes to run their own countries and more taxes on top of that to the EU, so you have two levels of politicians feeding at the trough, like in the states?

5. The really dumb thing was, if you’re going to have open borders, you need to have a single welfare system so all the gypsies and fleeing Muslims don’t go to the country with the most liberal benefits and suck the blood out of it, which is what the Brits had enough of. Without a single, uniform tax and benefits structure, the EU was going to split sooner or later. Dishonest institutions survive forever; dumb ones have a much shorter shelf-life.

5. Did the dream of a borderless Euorpe just go "pppfffft. . ."

Posted by: Denis | Jun 24 2016 13:09 utc | 8

the phrase is "the powers that be" not "the powers that are."

Dear Mr/Mrs Nitpicker, and no, you don't hate to be one.

I dislike the old plurale tantum of the "be" as it designate some "god given" rulers. But they are just mortals. They "are", only to become "were", as they are not god given but can be overthrown.

Posted by: b | Jun 24 2016 13:09 utc | 9

Not a chance in a trillion!! Brexit is here to stay and now it's a matter of implementing. Cameron has no political standing in Europe from today on and the British members of the EP ... why do they still occupy those seats?

Posted by: Oui | Jun 24 2016 13:11 utc | 10

Another referendum? Yes, but for Scotland ! The UK has not been in Schengen and has kept its currency. It has always been cautious not to be absorbed irreversibly by the EU like other EU countries did.

Another remarks: The world is under shock but after Sarkozy and soon Obama, here departs another leader who predicted Bashar al Assad's departure five years ago. The next on the line is Erdogan,

Posted by: virgile | Jun 24 2016 13:12 utc | 11

Maybe a George Galloway could lead the charge. Boris Johnson? He looked like a deer in the headlights doing his 'victory' speech.

Posted by: Nana2007 | Jun 24 2016 13:13 utc | 12

I am more interested in seeing the process by which parts of the UK break off and petition to rejoin the EU, as both Scotland and Northern Ireland are now considering. (Don't worry, Wales is still in the fold).

Posted by: ralphieboy | Jun 24 2016 13:19 utc | 13

No they wont stop it but the actual Leave project will take years deliberately...

Posted by: Robz | Jun 24 2016 13:19 utc | 14

1;More truth exits Trumps mouth in a day than in HRC'S whole life.
I see BS will vote for the hell bitch.Some radical.
Helen Mirren critiques BDS.sheesh,she knows where her bread is buttered eh?
Trump celebrated Brexit,and we'll celebrate the rejection of Zion,and neolibcons ,on US in Nov.

Posted by: dahoit | Jun 24 2016 13:21 utc | 15

The other nuance lost in the scuffle today is that this referendum is non-binding: it is up to Parliament to vote to leave within two years, unless both UK and EU agree on an extension...

Posted by: ralphieboy | Jun 24 2016 13:39 utc | 16

BBC "reported" that Morgan Stanley would move 2000 jobs from London to Frankfurt

#ReverseBrexit !!!

Morgan Stanley denies

Funny how that works ...

Posted by: b | Jun 24 2016 13:40 utc | 17

Yves Smith in her Naked Capitalism post this morning thinks Cameron's 90-day resignation will be used to pry more concessions from Brussels, concessions which would then be used as the basis for a quick re-vote.

I'm with most of the other commentators here who think this won't fly. With Brexit we are witnessing the death of the zombie.

If the neoliberal elite were smart they would quickly move in a social democratic direction to try to lock in the war booty from four decades of plunder. But they'll try a re-vote. And if that fails, probably another war or two.

Posted by: Mike Maloney | Jun 24 2016 13:44 utc | 18

hey, I was the only one predicting Brexit on the last thread, and I say, it's going to happen, albeit very slowly and painfully, until some other country votes to leave the EU.

Bottom line, it takes a month for an emergency meeting of heads of state to happen. What kind of governance is that?

Posted by: Mischi | Jun 24 2016 13:45 utc | 19

I realize the Guardian is not the best of sources on this topic, but this article does provide a 'big view' of what may/may not happen next in what appears to be a rather intentional/deliberate process designed to slow said 'departures' down -

And as Jules did yesterday, re reposting this astute comment from yesterday's thread may be of even more interest today -

Re: Posted by: blowback | Jun 23, 2016 8:39:11 AM | 17

I think with all respect you miss the point.

A vote for Brexit will weaken the EU.

In turn, a weakened EU will weaken NATO.

A weakened NATO would be more likely to itself break-up and splinter.

Ergo, the UK would be more likely to find itself out of NATO.

That is why it makes sense to vote for the Brexit if you want the UK out of NATO.

Posted by: Jules | Jun 23, 2016 8:58:34 AM | 19

Btw, the results 48 to 52% will likely only widen with the latter only growing. I awoke this morning thinking the headline would be Remain wins never believing Leave would regain their momentum following the tragic death of MP Cox. But they did and to those Brits who post on this thread voting 'Leave' a hearty congratulations to you!

Posted by: h | Jun 24 2016 13:49 utc | 20

So for delaying scenarios for invoking article 50 being considered.
But how about a quick exit and sabotaging the UK to make an example of it to warn the rest.

How would this be done?

Posted by: ThatDamnGood | Jun 24 2016 13:59 utc | 21

The BREXIT vote is meaningless ... and Cameron's alleged stepping down is still months away ... the malignant overlords will find a way around the vote.
(After all that is the role of malignant overlords!)

No vote, no matter how great the margin, matters. Just as tinkering around the edges ever results in actual change. The 'system' will eventually co-opt the masses. That's why the system rules and the masses are inevitably just the masses.

I still think it will take riots in the streets, pitchforks in hand, willingness to bleed for any real change. It ain't gonna happen ... but then, complacency and complicity (so long as I get mine to hell with everybody else) always triumph. Always.

Remember, malignant overlords as just people like you and me if truth be told. Greedy, self-interested ...

Posted by: rg the lg | Jun 24 2016 14:00 utc | 22

I think the big Euro banks will make the English scream, plus the ECB; and UK businesses like the car industry, big pharma, etc
The re-vote will take place after the UK is screaming.

Posted by: okie farmer | Jun 24 2016 14:05 utc | 23

b, are you really in favor of Brexit? The UKIP and similar hard right wing parties are the ones backing Brexit; the British equivalents of Privy Sector and Golden Dawn. Are you really taking the same side as those Fascist groups?

Posted by: Inkan1969 | Jun 24 2016 14:08 utc | 24

To understand one aspect of this vote. Map (Guardian) of the vote:

..shows clearly that Scotland and N. Ireland are ‘different countries’, set them aside, while Wales ‘belongs’ with England.

The bright yellow (remain: over 15% of the majority) vote is in London and its surroundings; and York, Manchester, Stockport, Liverpool, Cardiff, Bath, Bristol, Reading, Oxford, Cambridge, Winchester, Warwick, Rushcliffe, and Gwynned. All towns and that is all (I haven’t given the full/proper names of the districts, look at map.) All ‘nice places’ so to speak.

Fits well with population density. High ‘remain’ are uniquely cities. Similar to Anti-immigration votes in CH, where it has been shown again and again that high pop density/high presence of immigrants/mixed population accompany pro-immigration votes. (France shows the same effect but milder.) Correlation is not causation, and one might guess that underneath is a rich/poor-er distinction, but that isn’t so for Switz. (Most or all town except ZH are poorer than the ‘countryside’, in fact it is a problem that is going to be tackled, hard.) Urban life (or whatever else) is the factor, and not income.

For the GB vote, we see that some high density spots, towns, did NOT ‘strongly’ vote for Remain. Birmingham, Leicester, Nottingham, Sheffield, Leeds, geographically grouped, while sharing a certain socio-economic history. (Plus Newcastle.) See pop density map.

As in other countries, income in GB doesn’t seem to match up well with the remain/leave vote. (Treating just one angle..)

Posted by: Noirette | Jun 24 2016 14:09 utc | 25

Have the great unwashed masses actually awakened? Would be nice, but we'll see. I'll have to see the status quo change before I'll believe it.

Meanwhile, here in the U$A, "election" theater continues.

Posted by: ben | Jun 24 2016 14:16 utc | 26

This is America.

All your leaders r belong to US.
All your media r belong to US.
All your military r belong to US.
All your countries r belong to US.

Glad you got that little brexit venting out of your system. Now we will do, what we do best.

A large dose of fud, (fear, uncertainty and doubt) is being prepared for U, K?

We have not decided what we are going to do, as we honestly did not anticipate brexit prevailing. (Had it not been for those sneaky brits bringing ink pens to the ballot, it would not have.) However we have options, many options. Moldova is particularly tempting right now, but we shall proceed with achieving the utmost chaos in mind.

Enjoy your Victory, it will be short-lived.

cc:V. Nuland

Posted by: b4real | Jun 24 2016 14:18 utc | 27

If there is an attempt to reverse the decision of the electorate, wouldn't that provoke a backlash? Wouldn't a lot of people who reluctantly voted Remain in yesterday's referendum in a new referendum vote Out or sit the vote out as a protest against the attempt to subvert democracy?

Posted by: lysias | Jun 24 2016 14:19 utc | 28


The PBS News Hour did a segment on Brexit a week or two ago, interviews of people in Oxford by one of the News Hour regulars. The people who supported Remain were all academics. Three of the interviewees supported Brexit, all working class in the Oxford colleges: a scout (cleaning woman), a porter, and a gardener.

That is when this son of a New York City bus driver and Oxford graduate decided I was in favor of Brexit.

Posted by: lysias | Jun 24 2016 14:22 utc | 29

"the powers that be": isn't this in the mostly obsolete subjunctive form, indicating temporality, contingency and wish? use of the present tense indicates certainty & security?

Posted by: jason | Jun 24 2016 14:25 utc | 30

Helpful piece at RT:

The process is by no means guaranteed to be smooth, or even happen at all. Each national parliament of the remaining 27 EU states will debate the issue and each has a veto. An exit is also at the mercy of a further national ratification process by each state.

Despite the urgent tone of the EU chief’s statement, a further renegotiation of trade could take upwards of five years, as substantial negotiating teams on each side thrash out the whole process.

The UK does have an option to withdraw unilaterally, but this may prejudice any favorable trade settlement the country tried to reach with former EU partners.

Posted by: Denis | Jun 24 2016 14:28 utc | 31

Does anyone else suspect moonofalabama is being targeted by establishment trolls?

In any case, the EU and US elite will certainly push for another vote. The EU was formed by forcing new votes to correct "wrong outcomes."

It would be of the Brits to help over anti efforts elsewhere to complicate matters for the EU elite.

Posted by: Alaric | Jun 24 2016 14:30 utc | 32

"A vote for Brexit will weaken NATO".

????? Just because some NATO talking heads said so, while most of the time you should believe opposite to what they say?

As an EU passport holder, I hope that without UK and, hopefully, without Merkel, EU can function better.

NATO is pretty weakly related to EU with the exception of Ukraine issue. There, a substantial proportion of the population could actually gain from having Brussels officials giving some supervision to the local chieftains. Although they did not exactly shine in the case of Kosovo. NATO has parasitic relationship with EU, encouraging enlargement to attract its own expansion, but of course that requires money, and NATO sucks money rather than providing it. NATO really devolved to a series of ad-hoc "coalitions of the willing".

UK economy is relatively weakly connected to the rest of EU, with half of the trade going elsewhere, but for strongly interlinked continental countries the alternatives are not attractive at all.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 24 2016 14:40 utc | 33

Another one - #ReverseBrexit campaign running up fast

ITV News @itvnews

A woman who voted leave says she is unhappy with her choice and now wishes to vote remain…

ITV of yesterday was full of #Remain propaganda.

Posted by: b | Jun 24 2016 14:46 utc | 34

In this March 17, 2016, file photo, motivational speaker Tony Robbins is interviewed during a taping of "Wall Street Week," on the Fox Business Network in New York.

DALLAS — Fire officials say more than 30 people attending a Tony Robbins event in Dallas have been treated for burns after the motivational speaker encouraged them to walk on hot coals.

Dallas Fire-Rescue spokesman Jason Evans says five people were taken to a hospital Thursday night and that emergency personnel treated the others at the scene for burns to their feet and lower extremities.

The hot coals were spread outside the Kay Bailey Hutchison Convention Center as part of a Robbins seminar called "Unleash the Power Within." The event continues through Sunday.

Representatives for Robbins didn't immediately return messages Friday.

More than 20 people were treated for foot burns after a similar Robbins event in 2012 in San Jose, California.


Some news are hard to believe. Why this guy Robbins is not in politics?

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 24 2016 14:48 utc | 35

The expression has always been "the Powers that be", but it's more grammatical to say "are" since "powers" is plural.
But, whatever on that.
England has found her soul. There will be adjustment, but in the end it will be good for England. The EU is a preposterous construct. The Tsunami of Muslim savages that has been allowed to wash over Western Europe demonstrates the evils of surrendering sovereignty and the common currency is a total con, but at least the English were sensible enough to eschew the Euro.

Posted by: A Pols | Jun 24 2016 14:49 utc | 36

In any case, the EU and US elite will certainly push for another vote. Alaric at 32.

No, some may try but will not succeed.

The ‘democracy’ discourse and fears of major internal unrest will prevent it. Cameron sealed his fate with the promise (political calc.) of the vote, he went thru with it, he lost, accepts it more or less. One needs to give him that, though of course I can’t stand Dodgy Dave. GB will now temporise, find ways around the Brexit, there will be long negotiations etc. No new vote. That is over. Done with.

Posted by: Noirette | Jun 24 2016 14:51 utc | 37

Seems Cameron is hit by the curse of "Assad must go". Almost all the "Assad must go" crowd are on shaky grounds lately. He's on his way out!!!
Interesting times

Posted by: Zico | Jun 24 2016 15:09 utc | 38


Does anyone else suspect moonofalabama is being targeted by establishment trolls?

Of course. It goes without saying. Efficacy married with truth in geopolitical affairs cannot be left alone to foment social evolution. The Powers that Are are watching and interfering on their own behalf - for sure. It is up to each of us to continually be sifting wheat from chaff. I mainly stick with those who have a proven track record over time.

Posted by: juannie | Jun 24 2016 15:23 utc | 39

Thank you b. Politics is no longer a fairy story. Whisked out of sight is the fairy story that a man shouting "Britain first!" shot AND repeatedly stabbed an MP while managing to get not a single drop of blood on himself. This isolated loner who visited his mother every Sunday and volunteered at THREE locations including one which taught English to Asians was nevertheless given a suitable Nazi background by MI6. Cox, the "killed" MP, whose newly-estranged husband works for Bill Gates will no doubt have a change of career and, if spotted, become her own look-alike sister. The poor, harmless mentally ill man who had said that volunteering did more for his obssessive-compulsive disorder than all the counselling and medicines will rot in jail.

No wonder the Brits saw through such a fairy story; the MI6 who played responding officers even forgot to turn on the 7 cop cars' blue lights-- apparently de rigeur while working any emergency scene, and a dead giveaway to many Brits that these weren't real cops.

The fairy story is over. . . Enter now the CARTOON: " they woke up thinking "what have I done?" Precous, b, just precious.

But why bother with a re-vote? November of last year: " For the first time since the creation of Europe’s monetary union, a member state has taken the explicit step of forbidding eurosceptic parties from taking office on the grounds of national interest.
Anibal Cavaco Silva, Portugal’s constitutional president, has refused to appoint a Left-wing coalition government even though it secured an absolute majority in the Portuguese parliament and won a mandate to smash the austerity regime bequeathed by the EU-IMF Troika.

"Silva deemed it too risky to let the Left Bloc or the Communists come close to power, insisting that conservatives should soldier on as a minority in order to satisfy Brussels and appease foreign financial markets.

"This is the worst moment for a radical change to the foundations of our democracy. Democracy must take second place to the higher imperative of euro rules and membership."

“In 40 years of democracy, no government in Portugal has ever depended on the support of anti-European forces, that is to say forces that campaigned to abrogate the Lisbon Treaty, the Fiscal Compact, the Growth and Stability Pact, as well as to dismantle monetary union and take Portugal out of the euro, in addition to wanting the dissolution of NATO,” said Mr Cavaco Silva.

"After we carried out an onerous programme of financial assistance, entailing heavy sacrifices, it is my duty, within my constitutional powers, to do everything possible to prevent false signals being sent to financial institutions, investors and markets,” he said. "

Gee, did he say the bankers are more important than the voters?

Posted by: Penelope | Jun 24 2016 15:42 utc | 40

@39 AMEN!!

Posted by: crone | Jun 24 2016 15:46 utc | 41

Ralphieboy, thanks for the reminder. I'd forgotten it's nonbinding.

Inkan, "Fascist" doesn't mean you want to limit immigration. Nor does it mean you want to restore sovereignty to your country so that citizens' votes have a chance of affecting policy. "Fascism" is the uniting of the Big Business Corporatocracy with the powers of the state. Racism is not a necessary element. And a wish to limit immigration is universal. Overwhelming countries with outsiders is one of the oligarchs' main methods of destroying the very basis of nationhood.

It's pretty strange when those who defend against the banking and other corporate takeover of their country are called "rightwing".

Posted by: Penelope | Jun 24 2016 15:55 utc | 42

The working class voted to leave; the well-off voted to remain. I believe economic motivation was as strong as immigration was as a voting issue. It's hard to say if the UK will be better or worse off outside the EU--a lot depends on what governmental decisions they make and who they elect--but at least their fate will be in their own hands. With the EU, you know the working class will be destroyed. Without the un-elected EU overlords calling the shots, at least UK voters have a chance to have a say.

There was a "Lexit", or left wing exit campaign, as well as the more well-documented tropes of Farage and Johnson.

Posted by: WorldBLee | Jun 24 2016 16:07 utc | 43

The EU govt. contains all the seeds and sins of autocracy. It is a monster of a bureaucracy, a sovereignty-destroying, and democratically unresponsive, comittee of comittees, and central bankers. It is purely a tool and servant of the few, to exercise control over the many.

It is far better that the individual nations should be respected, than to subsume and suck the life out of them through such an arrangement.

Posted by: Copeland | Jun 24 2016 16:29 utc | 44

GOOD RIDDANCE to the English "elite" of warmongers, pedophiles, satanists, imperialist headquartered in the City of London, that "Trojan Horse" in the EU!!!

UK has always aimed at subduing continental Europe by all means necessary, pitting brother against brother, setting the continent on fire to "divide and conquer". Millions perished in those anglo-judeo-masonic schemes, wars, conflicts, "revolutions", but no more!

Good things may happen now:
1) TTIP will be DOA
2) end of occupation of Scottland, Northern Ireland, Gibraltar, Cyprus, Malvinas, Jamaica
3) no more weakening the EU from the inside and playing it against Russia, China, Syria, Iran

The noose around the perverse City of London is tightening, the cabal is more and more in the cross-hairs, just where we want them, they are left with nothing - no real production, no real economical value except for their financial and other speculations...

Posted by: ProPeace | Jun 24 2016 16:34 utc | 45

David Cameron: "Assad must go!"
Assad: "Buh-Bye"

Posted by: skuppers | Jun 24 2016 16:46 utc | 46

I spent some time rereading some comments made on MoA during the past few days that related to Brexit. It's truly interesting how some people's positions have shifted once the outcome was public.

Another issue that is obvious is the typical stuff about trolls simply because there are those who seem to disagree. I don't fear trolls nearly as much as I fear those who are naively complicit with our various malignant overlords: the ones we grump about because we are not one of them. Ask yourself this: "If I was one of the wealthy, what would I say." I'm gonna bet that if your true to yourself, you d**n well know what you'd say.

Posted by: rg the lg | Jun 24 2016 17:09 utc | 47

H. L. Mencken once wrote that it was his duty as a journalist, "to comfort the afflicted and aflict the comfortable". But this Brexit vote is about a lot more than schadenfreude; it is about fundamental justice, and the right of sovereignty, and freedom from cruel economic sanctions being clamped down upon the weaker members of the EU.

In this UK referendum we saw in what ways the voting broke into categories: the more comfortable voted to stay in the boiling water with the frog, while the working class and rural folks wanted out of the stew.

We are reminded, or ought to be constantly mindful of the travesty that's gone on in Portugal against an elected group of MPs, to deny them the legitimate right to form a government. It was a horrible spectacle to see how Greece was economically garrotted; and there was a follow up of implied threats against other member states not to follow the Greek example.

The vote we saw in Britain is really an inspiring act, and I hope it encourages others to act and not to lie down under intolerable conditions.

Posted by: Copeland | Jun 24 2016 17:14 utc | 48

The EU's revenge against the UK: Push North Ireland and Scotland to separate and join the EU. England will be tremendously weakened

Posted by: virgile | Jun 24 2016 17:19 utc | 49

England (outside London) voted 55% cf. 45% to Leave.

That kind of majority is not going to be overturned.

2017 is now about France-Le Pen-Frexit, Netherlands-Wilders-Netherexit and Germany-Merkel-Exit?

It means Europe will drop sanctions against Russia in January and be self-consumed for at least the next 18 months.

The "War" against Russia is about to fall apart.

Posted by: Jules | Jun 24 2016 17:35 utc | 50

During a discussion of the Brexit results this morning on The Brian Lehrer Show on WNYC, NYC's public radio station, a caller from London who is an American university student on an internship with a Democratic Liberal MP said that the Dem Libs thought they could ride a regret revote to more seats in Parliament.

I kept thinking that these people seem to have no comprehension of how the current wealth redistribution to the Very Tippy Top of the Top One Percent is deeply hurting almost all the economic quintiles below the, oh, 80 percent mark. And with no comprehension of how people are suffering under the actions of the Conservatives, with the Lib Dems as their enablers, they just want to go back to what is working for the very few.


Audio only, no transcript

Posted by: jawbone | Jun 24 2016 17:47 utc | 51

Posted by: Copeland | Jun 24, 2016 1:14:11 PM | 48

Not to forget what these neolibs did to about despicable.

And Jules @50 I hope you're right about 'The "War" against Russia is about to fall apart'...I haven't seen numbers yet, but there are those suggesting the military voted for 'Leave'. The reason given, albeit third person, is not wanting to fight Washington's wars. I hope more will be reported on this aspect of the vote in the coming days.

If valid, the good folk across the pond have taken a mighty step to send one helluva message to the American electorate...Vote No More Wars.

A couple of links on the military aspect of the vote - and

Posted by: h | Jun 24 2016 17:55 utc | 52

@50 Jules - nice comment, very encouraging.

To dream a little - as the EU fragments and individual nations at their grass roots increasingly call for sovereignty, the US will come to be seen as increasingly isolated. Eventually, it will be NATO against the people of the European nations. Suddenly, "Gladio" will surface as a household word again.

Posted by: Grieved | Jun 24 2016 18:01 utc | 53

@50 Jules;@52 h; @53 Grieved

I wish you are right but I'm afraid that Brexit might on the contrary accelerate the walking towards WWIII.

Brexit is a proof that people got more than enough of the lying politicians and MSM who are just parroting what their masters tell them to say. The elite/deep state/borg whatever you call them see that as well as the prospect of The Donald being the next president of the USA. And it scares them! Pretty much! Same thing about Podemos in Spain, Cinque Estrellas in Italy and so on.

So, before it gets too ugly for them, I'm afraid they will push further for a confrontation with Russia. Just read that Paul Craig Roberts link by h @52. It's already Putin's fault, Putin's victory and so on. For the last five years, we've been told that Putin is worst than the devil and many believe those lies. So, the best way to shut up the disgruntled is to turn them into cannon fodder.

Sorry for my pessimism.

BTW, I don't know if you noticed, but yesterday was full of news about the British pound going up, the markets going up, on polling day for god's sake, just to remind the Brits not to vote for Brexit. But they did anyway. Good for them!


Posted by: jean | Jun 24 2016 18:32 utc | 54

Tory chickens come home to roost ...

"Why has the closet Nazi Nigel Farage of UKIP been given so much airtime?

Could it be the masses, hammering at the doors of Fortress Europe after we, that is the US-EU-NATO axis of pure barbarism, destroyed their countries, have something to do with it?

Thus, as so many times before, the Empire utilises its well tried and tested tactic of evoking the ‘other’ to inject fear into our hearts.

And why does Farage gets so much exposure? Because he his one of the ruling elite’s weapon of disinformation and deceit. He speaks with a Tory voice but he’s not actually of the Tory Party, hence he can say in public all the things the Tories (and no doubt a goodly sprinkling of Labour) could never say in public themselves. Farage is the ruling elite’s stalking horse of the day. We’ve been in this situation so many times before that it’s getting really tedious. Economic crisis? Find a scapegoat. Political crisis? Find a scapegoat. Find an enemy, wage war…

source -

Posted by: ALberto | Jun 24 2016 19:22 utc | 55

From wikipedia on TPTB: "The expression "the powers that be" does not contain a subjunctive, however. It is a Biblical quotation from Romans 13:1." So it is incorrect and b. is correct, except it sounds better.

As for Brexit I have been alone among friends and family - who today are totally depressed. I am elated. I think the English have been surprisingly brave. I am with Copeland @ 48 and Jules and Grieved and others.

Posted by: Lochearn | Jun 24 2016 19:26 utc | 56

After having fragmented the Middle East and created century long bloody conflicts in the region that mostly benefited them, the British could see the fragmentation of their own country when Scotland and North Island will separate...

Posted by: virgile | Jun 24 2016 19:32 utc | 57

'Diligence and hard work by the majority". Hahahaha...hohohoh.

That's A good one b.

If that wasn't true for the list you gave two days ago, Then how could it likely now.

The evil elite and their media Propagandists will wait to the temperature dies down and then demang a re-vote that come with greater threats, or use Parliamentary rigging to deny the vote.

Posted by: tom | Jun 24 2016 19:38 utc | 58

b - saw this over at Naked Capitalism and thought you might like to add it to your list of #ReverseBrexit campaign -

Brexit: ” The British are frantically Googling what the E.U. is, hours after voting to leave it” [WaPo]. Translation: Credentialed professional lays groundwork for reversing a democratic outcome. “They didn’t really know what they were doing.”

Posted by: h | Jun 24 2016 19:40 utc | 59

It has been my experience that Russian military does not do the cock walk when thy achieve a major victory. I believe that USA/ISR/GB got their collective asses handed to them by the Russians and their allies Iran, Syria and Lebanon. GB has been at work attacking the ME for over 1,000 years. GB has a long history of pillage and outright robbery of natural resources in the ME and elsewhere. The loss of billions of pounds of free oil stolen from Iraq and Syria, I believe, has seriously rocked the foundations of the City of London. With the upcoming international push back re the heroin trade, also a main financial contributor to the City, it becomes more and more apparent that the City and its unseemly behaviors are soon to be 'a thing of the past'

Just my opinion

Posted by: ALberto | Jun 24 2016 19:48 utc | 60

The global plutocrats that own private finance care not whether the EU breaks up or not because they will profit either way. If you would believe the spokesman for the City of London, he said that private finance has been provided in London for a thousand years.

I laugh at the folks commenting here that don't understand that Trump is just another in a long line of dictators promoted, managed and eliminated when necessary over the centuries. If you know the story, Trump is TPTB's "don't throw me in the briar patch" candidate for US president.

The saddest potential of this event is that for rampant nationalism. TPTB want just that so they can continue to play countries off against each other. Which points to the hardest part for us pond scum is educating folks internationally about the jackboot of private finance and then joining internationally to eliminate private finance from our world.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 24 2016 20:00 utc | 61

Is it just me or has anyone out there noted that the IDF troops sport British military kit? Russia does not show its cards. Even after a major victory the military steps back and allows the country's political/diplomatic organizations to take the lead.

That said two interesting events have occurred in the last 10 or so days ...

and this

Is there more here than meets to eye?

Posted by: ALberto | Jun 24 2016 20:02 utc | 62

Noirette @ 25, Interesting, your urban vs rural take on the Brexit vote. I was thinking about it; you know, urbanites are actually more propagandized than the rural. The center of your life in rural areas isn't likely to be the telly; you've got at least your house and its surrounds, maybe a garden, real neighbors-- maybe even fields and a barn. Nor do rural people feel so "connected" to all those happenings in the cities. They travel less, so the propaganda for this or that foreign involvement is less apt to be digested by them. There still is a sense of community, which they are trying to preserve.

The urban dweller-- especially the apt dweller-- is surely going to see more TV propaganda. If British cities are anything like American ones any sense of community is long gone, and your neighbors are purposely strangers, so immigrants are what the telly says they are.

Just a thought. May not be applicable.

Posted by: Penelope | Jun 24 2016 20:02 utc | 63

Hi b.

Frederick Douglass said "power concedes nothing without a struggle."

I think you're right that TPTB will try everythign they can to delay, obfuscate, derail, and generally frustrate the plain will of the British voters in this matter.

But I wouldn't be so bold as to claim they will succeed. For one thing, the UK parliament is every bit as corrupt as Brussels. Labour and Conservative parties are both thoroughly corrupted and rules by globalist traitors. Neither of them have represented the interests of their own people for over a century, and there's no indication that Brexit will magically transform their characters.

It is one battle that has been won, in a long way that has been waged for several generations already. It may turn out to be a singular watershed event, or it may turn out to be a dead cat bounce.

That is up to the British people and their mettle has yet to be seriously tested.

Posted by: ScuzzaMan | Jun 24 2016 20:08 utc | 64

@16 ralpieboy - further to your comments "Clause 50?
Clause 50 is a part of the EU’s Lisbon Treaty, which covers the potential exit of a member. However, the rule is untested, with Britain being the first member to attempt to leave. Triggering the clause puts into motion a two-year process during which time an exit will be negotiated. The process is by no means guaranteed to be smooth, or even happen at all. Each national parliament of the remaining 27 EU states will debate the issue and each has a veto. An exit is also at the mercy of a further national ratification process by each state."

@17 b - this was a given.. now the financial powers will put the pressure on britian to reconsider.. same bullshit always happens... might makes right, and if you don't like it - tough.. how very undemocratic, lol..

@23 okie.. definitely!

@27 b4real... lol... that about sums up the dictatorship the world is run by at present..

@34 b.. the propaganda is going to go into overdrive.. i think you are right saying they will never let this happen.. fuck those who voted no... there was only one correct answer to this referendum and it wasn't no!

@50 jules... wishful thinking on your part - but i wish for you to be correct! we'll see how this unfolds.. i am with @54 jean's first statement to you..

Posted by: james | Jun 24 2016 20:13 utc | 65

So "no" doesn't always mean "no"?

Good luck with selling that concept.

Posted by: Cortes | Jun 24 2016 20:18 utc | 66

Neoliberalism eating itself to death. Feasting on it's surprisingly hollow insides. Curricula, western culture, entire cities built upon bullshit economic dogma. They had a chance to listen to the masses in 2008/09 and continue to play out there game a little longer...maybe even to have a say in how the next global system will work.

But no...Austerity baby...the exact opposite of how Keynes would have wished...austerity is for the good times you muppets, for when the private sector is alive and kicking. The government is meant to step in and create jobs in hard times. It's simple fucking math. But no...somehow, financial terrorists (or true Muppets) are in control and austerity was applied when exactly the opposite was required.

You reap what you sew. Eat it.

Posted by: MadMax2 | Jun 24 2016 20:23 utc | 67


Goal: bring people to their knees...

House Butler Obama stated emphatically that "the government cannot create jobs". This is a bold-faced lie, of course. The government is a major employer. And the government created jobs for uneducated and/or unskilled people with the WPA.

On May 6, 1935, FDR issued Executive Order 7034, establishing the Works Progress Administration. The WPA superseded the work of the Federal Emergency Relief Administration, which was dissolved.

Posted by: fast freddy | Jun 24 2016 20:35 utc | 68

Yep, on Monday the layoffs will begin. The first will be in the public services for the serfs and then? Yes, let the beating continue until the serfs admit their foolish mistake. Oh they’ll promise everything will return to normal but the new normal.

I was wondering since the serfs in once Great Britain are no longer going to fallow the path of the liberal neo-conns when is the New Amerika going bomb and invade?

Posted by: jo6pac | Jun 24 2016 20:41 utc | 69

I'm with you, lysias - the neoliberals have been dragging the exit advocators through the mud and it is about time we rose up and told them to shove it where the sun don't shine. I for one am not a right wing nutter jew hater or any of the other sham Nazi sympathizers they attempt to lump anyone into who vaguely feels we are all being taken for a ride by the welltodo. I salute the Brits who want their country back and don't give a damn about being the 'financial hub of the world'. Bravo Brits! Already those plutocrats were pushing austerity on you, and while you might have been able to put up a good fight having held onto your currency - why bother?

What they did to Greece and the ordinary people of Greece sickened me. I suppose I'm a little British still, and I say again - bravo! Join the human race, and the sooner the better!

Posted by: juliania | Jun 24 2016 20:59 utc | 70

One down, twenty-seven to go...

Who decided that the euro union should be undemocratic and an unelected government? Was it good old usa?

Posted by: james k. sayre | Jun 24 2016 21:59 utc | 71

One down, twenty-seven to go...

Who decided that the euro union should be undemocratic and an unelected government? Was it good old usa?

Posted by: james k. sayre | Jun 24 2016 21:59 utc | 72

Maybe, those who rule Britain decided to leave the EU for financial reasons.
An independent Britain would be a great impartial financial hub, under the upcoming Chinese empire. Maybe Britain always intended to leave, and the remain campaign was set up to fail.

Britain could never have become the global central trader whilst part of the EU, because the EU is controlled by Berlin, which is in turn controlled by Washington.

Posted by: sinbad | Jun 24 2016 22:21 utc | 73

The referendum was so publicly made that it will be difficult to row back from, even if it is not legally binding.

The general reaction I've seen today is that if the anglos want to make fools of themselves, so be it. They shouldn't have allowed themselves to be convinced by false propaganda.

Posted by: Laguerre | Jun 24 2016 22:32 utc | 74

Noirette @ 25, Penelope @ 63:

Educated and in particular university-educated people are more likely to live in cities and to be more brainwashed by propaganda through longer exposure, more repetition, tighter networking and licking the hand that feeds them.

John Helmer / Dances With Bears in his Brexit analysis notes that areas like Oxford and Bristol, dominated by academic think-tanks, came out strongly in support of Remain.

Posted by: Jen | Jun 24 2016 22:56 utc | 75

Here is 'B' on this board three years ago on 30 Aug 2013:

"The parliament of the United Kingdom voted against a war on Syria [meaning a war against Assadist Syria]. For now. I am certain there will be an attempt to reverse this decision. The propaganda onslaught for ssuch an attempt already started with new BBC claims of another “atrocity”."

'B' was utterly wrong about that in 2013. He was "certain" about it based on bad info about how UK democratic politics works. The two posts from 'B' over the past two days are just as utterly wrong.

'B' says today: "the powers that are will not allow Britain to exit the European Union". The two major parties, Labour and Conservative, are "the powers that are". Today the head of the Labour Party (Corbyn) said he wants the UK to formally invoke Article 50 "immediately", to legally start the exit process immediately and without delay. The Conservative Party spokespeople are saying they won't start the process for a few months, waiting until a pro-Brexit leadership is installed in the Conservative Party.

It's a certainty that the UK will exit the EU. 'B' says "the powers that are" may make the UK's formal exit "irrelevant" in practice. This is more rubbish from 'B'.

Posted by: Ghubar Shabih | Jun 24 2016 23:09 utc | 76

Brexit, that was brilliant
now the banker wankers bawling
and fretting that a Frexit will
keep the EU falling
the globalists are nervous
more killing or more stalling?
the propaganda's failing so
more people problem solving
and by "solving" you know I mean
populations soon dissolving
to more manageable levels
trains: prepare for hauling!

Posted by: lizard | Jun 24 2016 23:25 utc | 77

Jen @ 75


I'm sure that once upon a time higher education was meant to free the collective mind of a given countries citizenry...though it's hard to tell how much freedom there is inside graduating directly into debt slavery.

Get 'em in young. Ya know...? No mortgage required. It's just the way it is, right...?

Posted by: MadMax2 | Jun 24 2016 23:31 utc | 78

Sharyl Attkisson on Twitter - Little known fact: UK Cameron's campaign advisor was Jim Messina who was Obama's campaign advisor & heads biggest pro-Hillary super PAC...

Don't believe for a second HillObama and team weren't up to their eyeballs in working to defeat Leave.

To learn an American neoliberal operative was at the heart of Cameron's campaign means Obama and team share responsibility for losing to the Leave campaign. Once again, the U.S. is caught red-handed meddling in other countries political affairs. When oh when is the U.S. political establishment ever going to learn to mind their own damned business and stay the hell out of other countries affairs??? Answer: NEVER.

Posted by: h | Jun 25 2016 0:18 utc | 79

@ 76 Ghubar Shabih.. what kind of an idiot are you to keep reading rubbish? go elsewhere..

Posted by: james | Jun 25 2016 0:36 utc | 80

'B' was utterly wrong about that in 2013. He was "certain" about it based on bad info about how UK democratic politics works. The two posts from 'B' over the past two days are just as utterly wrong

Posted by: Nana2007 | Jun 25 2016 0:39 utc | 81

oh hell, accidentally hit post...never mind, I second james@80
-B provides a great service here, and a bunch of dipshit idjits flock here to take a piss...

Posted by: Nana2007 | Jun 25 2016 0:43 utc | 82

ALberto @62. I'm sure Israel would love to get its hands on shtora for its own use in its next rampage through Leanon. It could buy it from Russia, but now it may get it for free from its takfiris in Syria.

Posted by: Yonatan | Jun 25 2016 1:03 utc | 83

B is right when he suggests that the Brexit vote is meaningless. The malignant overlords will find a way to continue to f**k the collective dog. Nothing short of death to the collective of western civilization will stop them. Because so many have been brainwashed into believing in the myths of the west does not make those myths any less false. Sadly, no matter where one looks, the propaganda machine (with the attendant promise of joining the oligarchs as masters) rules the world. I truly wonder how many of the people on this blog would gladly become a minion of the oligarchs if invited to do so.

Posted by: rg the lg | Jun 25 2016 1:08 utc | 84

I like the humor coming out.

Brexit. Grexit. Departugal. Italeave. Fruckoff. Czechout. Oustria. Finish. Slovakout. Latervia. Byegium.

AND part of a press release I thought insightful with this quote:

“While the movement in the UK to leave the EU had right-wing, anti-immigrant and xenophobic leaders, in most of Europe that is not the driving force of the massive loss of confidence in European institutions. The driving force in most of the European Union is the profound and unnecessary economic failure of Europe, and especially the Eurozone, since the world financial crisis and recession.

“It has cost European citizens millions of jobs, trillions of dollars in lost income, and is sacrificing a generation of youth at the altar of fiscal consolidation and “structural reforms.” It has delivered an overall unemployment rate in Europe that is twice the level of the United States; more than seven years of depression in Greece; more than 20 percent unemployment in Spain, and long-term stagnation in Italy. In recent weeks French workers have been fighting against “structural reforms” that seek to undermine employment protections and the ability of organized labor to bargain collectively.

“If not for this profound long-term economic failure, and the continued pursuit of policies that reduce most people’s living standards, the exit of the UK from the European Union would not provoke fears of dissolution.

“Many people in Eurozone countries have very serious grievances against the unaccountable European authorities that have ruined their economies. If the EU governments could not intimidate UK voters into staying, they will be unlikely to intimidate people who have 2-4 times the unemployment rate as the UK."

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 25 2016 1:09 utc | 85

@84- and yr one of them dimwit. You're the conscience of fuck all. If you found grandpas shotgun insert big toe in trigger and muzzle in mouth- that'll take care of the two marbles ringing round your cranium and polluting this blog like a broken record. Shut up hard pal.

Posted by: Nana2007 | Jun 25 2016 1:16 utc | 86

@ 67

Bravo. That this is not appreciated is a testament to the extreme idiocy of our time. It's called "sectoral balance" and put in simple terms goes something like this:

- if you are experiencing a "balance sheet" recession where the private sector has taken on too much leverage and has a net (and probably panicked) need to save then...
- the public sector MUST be spending (that is, deficit spending)

Hilariously, this is actually an accounting identity.


(The good news is, once you know this you can safely ignore 99 % of economic commentary regarding deficits. It's all simply non-sense.)

The idiocy of the EU is thus highlighted. How do you take a functioning economy and turn it into tortured gimp in the basement (now writhing and spouting Fascist slogans)? You set up a system whereby you have:

- no common treasury
- no common bond market
- a central bank forbidden from underwriting the banks of its member-nations and forbidden from financing deficit spending
- no transfer mechanism between surplus and deficit regions (were nations)

To be fair, as the Brexit thingy suggests, there was no will for this kind of transformation... So they did the next best thing: they miscarried an abomination and named it "success."


Sometimes it's better not to consummate the deal.

Of course the - further - joke is this: the last country that really needed to exit the EU is Britain in the above set up. They side stepped the whole debacle by avoiding the botched monetary union. If I were Italian or Greek and I woke up to find the Lira or Drachma dropping by the Pound's, what, 10 % overnight I would die of happiness on the spot (mostly because the Euro would have been proved the artifact of a bad dream.)

All of it's easy, very easy to say in hindsight.

Hmmmm... I wonder whether anyone foretold this debacle?

Well it just so happens:

Had a good time watching it all unfold last night. This is my favourite moment bar none:

If I had to squint hard and sum it up I'd have to say: the "educated" class was the dumbest on the field.

Posted by: Oddlots | Jun 25 2016 1:18 utc | 87

@87- nice, you upset the parcheesi board you feeble minded wanker.

Posted by: Nana2007 | Jun 25 2016 1:27 utc | 88

No son, it's not. If I was your Nana I would have had the good sense to snuff out your incipient OCD and congenital malignant neglect the instant you're head crested- believe it.

Posted by: Nana2007 | Jun 25 2016 1:56 utc | 89

@ Oddlots

The "educated" class as you call them are the petite bourgeois of this go-round. They come from good families with some money and assume that they will be able to ride this out while the weaker don't.

It is a survival thing without perfect information.....and which makes them even more susceptible to being controlled by the global plutocrats......kinda like religion.....grin

Never look up because Gawd or private finance may smite you and yours.......its a strategy that has worked for centuries, sadly.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 25 2016 1:58 utc | 90

@ Denis number 8

You do realise that all those gypsies and fleeing Muslims are exactly that because of Britains foreign policy right ???

The UK did not become the power it was via friendly exporting and scientific innovation. You must of forgotten the good ol British Empire and ohh maybe the Sykes Picot agreement.

Refugees and all other nonsense was just a rattling tactic. The 2 main reasons for Brexit are A - the EU was a false dream and shit will hit the fan soon and more importantly B - Germany

This is more about the Germans then anything else. Sorry for being rude but anyone who believes otherwise is as delusional as those think the "revolutions" in Syria and Ukraine are about democracy and human rights

Posted by: Deebo | Jun 25 2016 2:14 utc | 91

@87 Oddlots
The prophetic Wynne Godley piece is a favourite. And some man he was too. I came upon that Godley piece via a tweet by Prof. Steve Keen - another character good for a prophecy for anyone with a spare hour or two.

Like much that is good for us, the answers are hidden in plain sight.

Posted by: MadMax2 | Jun 25 2016 2:18 utc | 92

@94 - yeah tell me all about it eagle eye. Bitch to the proprietor bitch.

Posted by: Nana2007 | Jun 25 2016 2:26 utc | 93

How about a contest for suggesting the most likely false-flag event to be used by Langley, in order to provide the national-security rationale for preventing the implementation of Brexit?

Posted by: Perimetr | Jun 25 2016 2:28 utc | 94

Yet all of the "Brexit" trope will mean as nothing for the persistent joblessness, de-industrialization, growing economic disparity and absolute lack of housing options for the Leavim, once HRH Hillary sits down with the Queen and Mr. Miliband in January to divide the spoils, arm up NATO, and discuss the New USUK Century jackboot stomping on the face of humanity forever:

nie Sanders crossed a verbal watershed in his slow march toward conceding the Democratic nomination contest on Friday by confirming he would vote for Hillary Clinton in November’s election.

Posted by: Uk Tahder | Jun 25 2016 2:46 utc | 95

@96 Well you're handy with the manual I'll give you that... But your addressing me as "son" followed by "bitch to proprietor bitch" makes you sound insane, no?

How on earth do you dress for your job. It must be mighty confusing.

Posted by: Oddlots | Jun 25 2016 2:47 utc | 96

I suspect b despite his protestations to the contrary still see the advantages of an integrated europe - without the neolberalism of course but this has clouded his logic.
It's foolish to see this in simple binary terms of england in england out. many of the other euro states have powerful rightist movements also agitating for a departure from the eu. Right now at this moment the eu powerbrokers see little alternative to cutting their losses with england and making an example of england so bad that it will deter other waverers.

That is why the eu mafia have come out swinging demanding that there will be no negotiated exit that if the englanders don't invoke section 50 immediately, they will.

The little englanders who made the right call for the wrong reason (racism) don't stand a chance. They are going to get the worst of both worlds a nation cast adrift that will be even more fervently clinging to the wreckage of oppressive laws and race to the bottom economics than it was before.

They won't be able to do a thing about because referendums are the gift of a gerrymandered parliament the outcome of this one virtually guarantees that there won't be another for a very long time.
Expect decades of rightwing governments determined to reduce the impoverished living in the communities who voted brexit to the level of the poor of manila, djakarta or cairo.

This will be easy because the right has neatly split the humanist supporters - those who voted remain because they believed as bad as the eu was stripping all control from the psychopaths would be worse, vs the provincial poor who allowed Murdoch and co to persuade them that it wasn't the lack of employment protections or reduced investment in housing education and welfare that screwed them it was the 'bloody foreigners'.

Corbyn will struggle now because it is doubtful he can force a reconciliation as his argument which was one of the few rational points of view, that despite the eu being fundamentally crooked it was madness to pull the pin without making the other changes necessary beforehand, pissed off both sides.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jun 25 2016 2:49 utc | 97

How on earth do I dress for my idiot. If you have to dress for your job you don't have a job, you are you're job. What's your excuse lame brain?

Posted by: Nana2007 | Jun 25 2016 2:55 utc | 98


Well, just about everyone votes to be a minion pawn of the plutocrats, by taking on a lifetime's net savings of student debt they can never repay and never bankrupt out of, flailing around through their 20s with pathetic gigs and binge-drinking, then in their 'Jesus' 30s becoming either a contract bot or a Mil.Gov drone, with the bots having no hope of retirement before they die early, and the drones having no hope of a meaningful purpose in life, before they wander the tourist subregions of hell on pension, searching for some substantial memory of having existed, and yet in the end, the hospicecare industrial machine grinds them all into penniless pauper sausage anyway, as though they'd only existed in some maladroit fractal game simulation.

Posted by: Uk Tahder | Jun 25 2016 3:04 utc | 99

Thanks tahder, sounds about right. Salami pauper sausage.

Posted by: Nana2007 | Jun 25 2016 3:16 utc | 100

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