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June 22, 2016
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I am sorry rufus, but neither you nor any American (including Chomsky) can vote in such a way as to resolve the horror of present circumstances, in this election nightmare. You cannot think it away; and it cannot simply be willed away. It’s checkmate– and multi-dimentional checkmate, at that. We have been had.
I’ve been having the argument about Sanders with a good friend of mine. Bernie studiously avoided any significant mention of foreign policy during the primaries; and why could that be?
Because bringing up such a sickening topic would hurt Hillary in the General Election; besides which, the airing of his own beliefs would show how his policy would more or less mirror the groupthink and neoliberal/neocon status quo. There are reasons Bernie is called a “sheepdog”
No mention was made of Clinton’s venality or corruption during the Children’s Crusade, in all the old Vermonter’s ramblings.
How is Bernie’s Russophobia and Cold War mentality much different from Hillary’s? We never get to see the entirety of the political product we are being sold. Bernie wants to bring about a domestic transformation in American’s way of life (and Trump promises his own version of this “renewal” too); but face it, the same people on the empire’s global battlefields will continue to be murdered, in order to prop up this stinking ediface for a few more years.
rufus @98: “I didn’t break a sweat.”
Deception comes so easily to you Democratic Party hacks, doesn’t it?
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rufus @100: “blah, blah, blah, …”
partisan drivel
Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jun 25 2016 18:57 utc | 103
in re 103 —
Like I said, overall, a very weak case.
Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 26 2016 7:31 utc | 104
@102 copeland
It’s time to just ignore the republicrat/demoblican/3rd party nexus and start to build an alternative. I am never going to check off another selection on a ballot in my lifetime. I am going to write in my choice for every election and I think others who are serious about change ought to do the same . We are going somewhere with the setup we have now, but it is in the wrong direction and picking up speed. Nothing good can come from the Trump/Clinton contest. There is no lessor to the evil on offer. Everyone knows that and we are all very open to real change, and this selection will convince everyone that real change can only come from outside the system
So each of us ready for change needs to announce themselves. I’ll be doing it with my write-in ballot and I urge everyone ready for real change to do so as well. Count the write-ins and ‘spoiled’ ballots. This is not a one-election ‘demonstration’ or ‘protest’ it is the beginning of taking back, if we ever had it, control of the electoral system, and thence of the elected government, and at that point we can restructure the system to put ourselves on top, sovereign, invincible, in charge. It’s a process of a decade or a dozen years. If we had begun in 2004 we’d be home or very nearly there by now.
Grieved pointed out in the latest Brexit thread that all the sore points of Britain’s withdrawal from the EU are in fact opportunities to do something completely different. We ought not to be wasting time talking about the powers that are, but we ought to be spending time defining and constructing the power that will be.
Once we commit to doing so it won’t even be hard. With a workable plan all that remains is the implementation. That’s like delivering the mail, step by step through rain and snow and sleet and hail. First they laugh, then they curse, then they rage, then we win. But we’ll have known that all along, and will skip our way over the finish line. The power of numbers is irresistible and our numbers are coming together, as in Britain, knowing its all a lie, that it cannot go on, and that we have a workable alternative. We just need to work it.
Posted by: jfl | Jun 26 2016 12:35 utc | 105
Ok guys.
Have any of you heard about the nuclear weapons used in the current war-zones? There are some clips on youtube clearly showing nukes being detonated. And to the best of my ability, I cannot find anything indicating that the videos are fake.
SIS Forces Used TACTICAL Nuclear WEAPONs in SYRIA
TACTICAL NUKE IN YEMEN 2015!(NEUTRON BOMB) NUCLEAR BOMB!
I’m scared!
Posted by: Alexander Grimsmo | Jun 26 2016 13:20 utc | 106
This may have been posted in another thread. It’s an article by John Helmer, via Xymphora, called Hello Rapallo; The Inevitability of new German Treaty on Economic cooperation with Russia (june 24). According to Helmer, Merkel is toast and Germany isn’t the only EU country which feels that US/EU sanctions on Russia are harming the sanctioners just as much as the target.
http://johnhelmer.net/?p=15929
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 26 2016 13:47 utc | 107
@rufus: “weak”
I can’t prove that Sanders is purposely sheep-dogging. But I am not the only one that is suspicious of his campaign. Yet it hardly matters. Half of Sanders supporters will not vote for Hillary.
Many of these people will help to invigorate the Green campaign and that will attract even more people to the Greens.
You also seem to be tone deaf because you are so pro Hillary. I don’t have the time or inclination to refute your constant pro Hillary spin. That is why, to me, your polictical writing is just “partisan drivel”.
Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jun 26 2016 19:25 utc | 108
in re 108 —
I see you go the summer straw crop in.
Weak, in that not only is your data-set marginal, you again resort to personal attacks instead addressing the manifest weaknesses of the Green Party, both organizational and programmatic.
I am pro-revolution. Sanders popularization of even weak social democracy is a step forward. Bringing a huckster like Trump into power to somehow “punish” the Democrats or “shake up the system” is foolish. This failed to occur as a result of Gore’s defeat in 2000.
Constant? I ain’t said boo about the elections for weeks.
Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 26 2016 21:25 utc | 109
The Israelis attack al Aqsa Mosque again …
Israeli forces clash with Palestinians at al-Aqsa compound
On Sunday morning, a large number of illegal settlers, escorted by a group of Israeli soldiers, stormed the holy site.
… we won’t read any of this in the corporate media either. ‘Settlers’ is the term of art for the Israeli Sturmarbeitlung.
Escorted, protected, and ‘defended’ by the IDF. Israel seems gone over the edge. Irredeemable.
Posted by: jfl | Jun 26 2016 21:59 utc | 110
further to 103 —
Yeah, let’s all just sit back. The Donald is not Mrs. Clinton, “The Epitome of All Evil,” and he sometimes criticizes the status quo. Though usually, with proposals more brutal and callous than those present in service.
Trump will shake up the political system, even if he ruins the economy and destroys whats left of international goodwill and credibility. So it’s all good, right?
Trump is such a freakin’ great candidate that even Fox News is now actually questioning his surrogates. And George Will has left the GOP because of Dickhead Donald.
Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 27 2016 2:42 utc | 111
@rufus:
Constant? I ain’t said boo about the elections for weeks.
Your comments have consistently been pro-Hillary over many months.
Your deceptiveness insults the intelligence of MoA readers.
Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jun 27 2016 3:15 utc | 112
rufus @111
OMG! More pro-Hillary talking points. From rufus! What a surprise.
Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jun 27 2016 3:34 utc | 113
Oh, my, God… Reality is apparently pro-Clinton.
Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 27 2016 5:42 utc | 114
Rather like the WaPo is not the WSJ, “constant” isn’t quite the same as “consistent.” Nor is anti-Trump the same has pro-Clinton.
But of course, anything to avoid the real issues — the Greens suck as a party on oh-so-many levels, and Dickhead Donald could get us all killed.
Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 27 2016 5:45 utc | 115
@rufus
> As I’ve already explained, the mis-identification was irrelevant to my point as both WSJ and WaPo are establishment papers. So your reference to their difference in this context is misleading.
> Although you might have taken a couple weeks off, I’d estimate that you’ve said something that disparages Hillary’s opponents at least once a month since January. So you’ve been both constant AND consistent.
> You’ve talked of Trump as the greater evil and you never promote any alternative to Clinton. So, while your “anti-Trump <> pro-Hillary” formulation is theoretically true, it is misleading in your case.
Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jun 27 2016 9:57 utc | 116
in re 116 —
Hey, I nearly forgot this. Mitch McConnell can’t really say if The Dickhead Donald is more qualified.
Change comes through rigorously, brutally honest analysis of reality, not wishful thinking.
If I disparage Mrs. Clinton’s opposition its for a very simply reason — I think they have bad politics. I’ve disliked the Greens from the start; petty-bourgeois moralists, reformists with fantasies of a “green imperialism.” And hey, even the Rethuglicans aren’t fully behind their own guy.
I’ve stated my alternative, it’s a long-term plan. It recognizes that Clinton is likely to do less damage, but it allows for both contingencies.
I’ve done a little agit-prop to support it here, I can’t help it if folks are caught up in this bizarre Trump/Stein wet dream.
You’re right in that your sloppy citation does not undercut your pathetically weak case. “Big deal, they’re both MSM.” They’re not the same flavor, that matters.
More to the point, as I said in response (at 100 above) to “what sort of revolutionary writes in the MSM?”, Comrade Sanders pitching his line to the WaPo readership is good politics.
Your failure to grasp small but key details speaks to the lack of rigor in your thought, and your tendency to read in or out of any given text what you care to see. You don’t see Sanders communicating with voters, you see him “selling out” by using the bully pulpit of the legacy media.
Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 27 2016 12:36 utc | 117
@rufus
As I wrote above, whether one believes that Sanders has ‘sold out’ or not, half of his supporters will not vote for Hillary. You’d like to ignore this inconvenient fact.
Likewise, treating the WaPo article as an isolated example of ‘communication’ with voters ignores the punches that Sanders pulled during his campaign.
Lastly, there the “small detail” of your Zionism. You want to portray yourself as independent but you are not. Most Zionists like yourself support neocon Hillary because they think she will be better for Israel.
Your “she will do less damage” is a dodge similar to “it’s for the children” (whose children?) that begs the question: who are the winners and losers under a Hillary Presidency?
Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jun 27 2016 13:31 utc | 118
Turkey apologize to Russia?
https://www.rt.com/news/348562-putin-erdogan-turkey-pilot/
Great news if its true right?
Posted by: Robz | Jun 27 2016 14:26 utc | 119
@111
“… Trump will shake up the political system, even if he ruins the economy and destroys whats left of international goodwill and credibility. So it’s all good, right?” ~ Rufus
Ruins the economy? That ship has sailed. Destroys what’s left of… Rufus, do you really believe there’s any left? That ship has definitely sailed.
HRC is a ‘known’ nightmare. The Donald? Hasn’t been ‘up to bat’ – would rather bet on an unknown, than go with someone known to be a disaster. One example of the past with HRC at the helm:
The problem began in Libya. Once Hillary pushed Obama to destroy Libya and wipe out the stable government there, she wiped out the arms–and Libya was a very heavily armed country. She turned over the arms to ISIS, to Al-Nusra, and Al-Qaeda. And Al-Qaeda used these arms under U.S. organization to attack Syria and Iraq. Now, the Syrian population, the Iraqi population, have no choice but to either emigrate or get killed.
So when people talk about the immigration to Europe, the Europeans, the French, the Dutch, the English, they’re all aware of the fact that this is the fact that Brussels is really NATO, and NATO is really run by Washington, and that it’s America’s new Cold War against Russia that’s been spurring all of this demographic dislocation that’s spreading into England, spreading into Europe, and is destabilizing things.
Posted by: crone | Jun 27 2016 14:53 utc | 120
101
still on indon,
the bali terror hit revisisted.
cui bono ?
indon was forced to join bush’s wot,
aussies resistance to war neutralised, oz joined bush iraq war.
http://www.serendipity.li/voxfux/bb-trf.htm
Posted by: denk | Jun 27 2016 16:20 utc | 121
I wish I had terrorists like that on my side. The kind that bomb the UN in Baghdad, the day after the UN say that US forces should leave Iraq. The kind that bomb a Bali nightclub, the week 250,000 Australians took to the streets to protest the war. The kind that bomb a Riyadh compound full of Arabs, when Saudi Arabian citizens are beginning to become increasingly vociferous in their condemnation of the Iraq invasion and occupation.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5266.htm
Posted by: denk | Jun 27 2016 16:29 utc | 122
in re —
So you are again tossing around spurious “accusations” long ago answered. Sigh….
I won’t rehash them. But I will say this: You reached deep into your seemingly bottomless bag of deceptive rhetorical tricks with this one, Mrs. Lovejoy. Why won’t someone think of the children?
Ethicist Jack Marshall described “Think of the children!” as a tactic used in an attempt to end discussion by invoking an unanswerable argument. According to Marshall, the strategy succeeds in preventing rational debate. He called its use an unethical manner of obfuscating debate, misdirecting empathy towards an object which may not have been the focus of the original argument.
You don’t really do rational debate when questioned. You’ll take a short stab at it, and then start name calling and rehashing my supposed moral and political failings.
Since by your own admission you don’t really have any evidence, and seem disinclined to find any, appeals to emotion probably are your best bet. Our assorted “antizionists” and “killary” haters will lap that Green Tea Party shite right up.
in re
Also bizarre, Sanders as the front man for the “neoliberal/neocon status quo.” He started his campaign to talk about inequality.
His policy on Russia is not that good. But that is hardly the sum of his positions. Take what for many, particularly here, is a litmus test – Palestine. He did not attend AIPAC and condemned the settlements.
The balance of your post seems to suggest America’s stance to be irreversible. I would disagree.
If there is not a genuine revolution in the United States, we Yanks are very, very likely to destroy the world. Perhaps through some act of thermonuclear retaliation/desperation, but definitely by cooking the planet.
in re 120 —
Plenty of elites with US bonds still believe in our credibility, as do substantial populations of their charges. And while we’re no longer “the workshop of the world,” there is still plenty to drive into the ground. Not soon enough for some, it seems….
Please, get real — The Donald is not some naive unknown with no paper trail. He’s been hobnobbing with politicos since the Reagan years, and he has a very clear record of what we might call very aggressive statements on foreign policy. He advocates seizing “our” oil — we conquered Iraq fair and square, and he has no qualms in taking it back. And an aggressive policy of more and harsher torture.
The choice remains as Luxemburg put it some hundred years ago: socialism or barbarism. The Dickhead Donald is boldly striding to the latter. His stated policy on oil is to grab it, ’cause we conquered Iraq fair and square, and is for more and more brutal torture.
So fuck yeah, real bleeding presidential timber. So fabulous is The Donald that they are having trouble filling convention speaker slots, and assorted House and Senate candidates are distancing themselves from Trump. Local organizations are divided.
Barflies —
As I keep saying — do not blow things up out of anger and frustration (understandably though perhaps it be). Only explode the status quo when you have a reasonable understanding of how the pieces will go back, and who will do the disassembly and reassembly. Suffice to say, I doubt if it will be plant committees and town and neighbor meetings, so the Donald push it to the max.
Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 28 2016 2:36 utc | 123
on bali bombings 2002
indons believed it was an inside job by bin, the indon intel.
icg of soros
*This link [of JI to the BIN] needs to be explored more fully: it does not necessarily mean that military intelligence was working with JI, but it does raise a question about the extent to which it knew or could have found out more about JI than it has acknowledged.” 1 (International Crisis Group, 2003)*
but icg didnt tell u the other half of the story,
indon’s bin is a cia franchise. !
from the horse mouth itself,
Former President Abdurrahman Wahid:
REPORTER: So you believe that the Bali bombers had no idea that there was a second bomb?
ABDURRAHMAN WAHID: Yeah, precisely.
REPORTER: And who would you suggest planted the second bomb?
ABDURRAHMAN WAHID: Well, it looks like the police.
REPORTER: The police?
ABDURRAHMAN WAHID: Or the armed forces, I don’t know.
indon police/armed forces ===> CIA !
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In the wake of the October 2002 Bali bombing, a contradictory report emanating from Indonesia’s top brass, pointed to the involvement of both the head of Indonesian intelligence General A. M. Hendropriyono as well as the CIA:
“The agency and its director, Gen. A. M. Hendropriyono, are well regarded by the United States and other governments. But there are still senior intelligence officers here who believe that the C.I.A. was behind the bombing.*
In response to these statements, the Bush Administration demanded that President Megawati Sukarnoputri, publicly refute the involvement of the U.S in the attacks. No official retraction was issued.
Not only did President Megawati (the daughter of Sukarno) remain silent on this matter, she also accused the US of being: [1]
“a superpower that forced the rest of the world to go along with it… We see how ambition to conquer other nations has led to a situation where there is no more peace unless the whole world is complying with the will of the one with the power and strength.” [2]
[1]
in case u forgets, her father was deposed in a bloody, genocidal coup in 1965.
courtesy of cia.
[2]
http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-australia-coverup-was-al-qaeda-behind-the-2002-bali-bombing/5307992
Posted by: denk | Jun 28 2016 4:27 utc | 124
@rufus
You don’t deny that you are Zionist. You never do. You just deflect the question (once again).
Likewise, you haven’t addressed my specific points about Sanders or my criticism of your “Hillary will do less damage” dodge.
All in all, “you don’t really do rational debate” is rather hypocritical for someone that is so slippery. For you, “debate” seems to be just a device to spew your partisan drivel.
“socialism or barbarism”
Sounds like a good slogan for the Greens. Hillary and her establishment cronys are certainly not socialist.
“Do not blow things up”
Fear-monger much? People are reacting to elite demolition of democracy, civil rights, the economy, and international relations.
Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jun 28 2016 5:11 utc | 125
I’ve previously address your ill-found critique, I won’t rehash the rehash of the rehash. Is Trump going to restore democracy, or put the boot in? Sure, it’s a reaction. A negative one, like Reaganism being a bad reaction to the Sixties.
Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 28 2016 5:21 utc | 127
Fairly irrelevant … but on the subject of rampant nit-picking and the PAL engine fire at Changi Airport yesterday, MSM waste of space Channel 7 in Oz has found an “expert” who thinks Changi’s Emergency Crew (who had the fire extinguished within 5 minutes and got everyone off the plane uninjured) woulda coulda shoulda evacuated the passengers Before the fire was extinguished.
However this pointless snark conveniently overlooks the fact that Changi’s Emergency Crew not only understood the problem and knew what they were doing, but also achieved the best possible result.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 28 2016 6:26 utc | 128
124
indon prez megawati on bali bombing,
*“a superpower that forced the rest of the world to go along with it… We see how ambition to conquer other nations has led to a situation where there is no more peace unless the whole world is complying with the will of the one with the power and strength.” *
also in 2002, murkkan michael meiring blew away his own legs while fooling around with high octane explosives in a maNila hotel . however he was whisked away by fbi/nsa goons and flewed back to murkka before the ph police could get hold of him.
mayor Duterte [current ph prez] said that when the FBI agents went to the Davao Doctors Hospital where Meiring was confined, they were initially accosted by security guards but the FBI agents merely flashed their metal badges and proceeded to take Meiring.
“They think and act nonchalant as if they own the place…I don’t give a sh_t who they are. Those metal badges do not have any value to me. If they (FBI agents) do that again, I will have them eat (their badges),” an irked Duterte said.
Police detailed near Meiring’s hospital room were also barred entry by the FBI agents, he said.
He warned he will arrest FBI agents if they return and operate here again without giving “fundamental courtesy” to local authorities here.
“I just would like now to make it clear, to inform .. the US ambassador and some morons there in the national government who are handling these FBI agents that you better not do that again here or I will have you arrested…” Duterte said.
Duterte stressed in his speech that he was not only addressing the RPOC but the national leadership and the US ambassador to the Philippines, Francis Ricciardone.
“Sovereignty does not come cheap… Please do not forget our national sovereignty. It should be enhanced always by the dignity of the Filipino people,” he said.
http://www.declarepeace.org.uk/captain/murder_inc/site/gladio/30nws-meiring01.html
Posted by: denk | Jun 28 2016 7:02 utc | 129
129
a meeting with prez megawati, shortly before the bali bombing…
*At the meeting with Megawati, Ambassador Ralph Boyce, Karen Brooks, myself, and the CIA agent were present. The CIA agent was introduced as a special assistant to the president. She told Megawati that the US needed help in “rendering” Muslim cleric Abu Bakar Ba’asyir, who she claimed had known ties to Al Qaeda. I had just learned that rendering means a secret agreement between two governments to covertly capture and turn over a wanted person. The “special assistant” said that US intelligence had proof that Ba’asyir had made two attempts on Megawati’s life [sic], in addition to masterminding a number of other heinous plots as the leader of Jemaah Islamiah. This information came from Omar al-Faruq, who had been rendered to the US previously by Indonesia.
Megawati responded that unlike al-Faruq, Ba’asyir was quite well known in Indonesia and revered by many (he is something like a Muslim version of Jerry Falwell or Pat Robertson). To secretly hand him over to the US would likely cause political and religious instability that she could not afford. The special assistant responded that she understood these legitimate concerns, but that if Ba’asyir wasn’t turned over by the time of the APEC meeting (about six weeks later), the situation could become difficult. Megawati responded that the only way she could turn him over was if public opinion of Ba’asyir were somehow to turn against him. She also said that she hoped this situation would not lead to a severing of the good relations between our countries.
It’s very interesting to note that just a few weeks after this meeting, a nightclub in Bali was bombed, killing nearly 100 Australians and another 100 Indonesians. US intelligence almost immediately linked Ba’asyir to the bombing. This gave Megawati the reason she needed, and the cleric is now in Indonesian custody, though he has not been rendered to the US. As the majority of Bali bombing victims were Australian, the bombing also served to scare both the Australian government and people into much more fully supporting the American war on terror. They had previously been quite reluctant. So the bombing ended up being very convenient for the American government–a little too convenient in my opinion.
u can say that again buddy,
hehehehe
http://www.wanttoknow.info/050228secretmeeting
Posted by: denk | Jun 28 2016 7:30 utc | 130
Hoarsewhisperer 128
pal engine ?
the plane belongs to sg airline .
Posted by: denk | Jun 28 2016 7:33 utc | 131
Les Leopold rightly argues Bernie’s Next Big Task: Build a Large-Scale, National Progressive Movement. It’s everyone’s task, actually.
The first task of this new movement would be to dump Trump. Instead of making a “lesser-of-two-evils” argument, we should make a positive claim that the “political revolution” Bernie has ignited would flourish more if Trump were not president.
Not only would Trump be a colossal disaster for this country, but his victory would make it much harder to fight for a progressive agenda. Instead of pressing for free higher education and single-payer health care, we would be fighting rear-guard actions against Muslim profiling and the building of the wall.
We don’t need to develop amnesia about Hillary’s Wall Street ties to understand that her election would provide a better organizing terrain on which to build a more powerful progressive movement. This is our positive reason to defeat Trump.
And don’t forget — trying to prevent even more overseas intervention in defense of oil supplies.
Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 28 2016 11:56 utc | 133
@ 132
These are small tactical nukes, the shockwave is small compared to what you see on the MAD-type bombs. See this Davy Crocket detonation, and you’ll see what I mean.
Davy Crocket mini-nuke
Also, EMP style killing of electronics only happen with big nukes at atmospheric heights.
As compared to these small tactical nukes from Syria and Yemen.
You’ll notice that the ionizing radiation causes random white scinteeation of pixels, white dots, in the video. Like you see on cameras filming reaktors in Fukushima. That is a sure confirmation that these were fissile devices.
I’m sorry to say, but the barrier has been broken, nukes are being used in the current war-zones.
See Veterans Todays take on it.
Stay safe.
Posted by: Alexander Grimsmo | Jun 28 2016 13:18 utc | 134
LOL US propaganda gets worse, accuse russian agents of harassing them all over the world!
https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-accuses-russia-harassing-intimidating-diplomats-031326298.html
Posted by: Ted | Jun 28 2016 14:17 utc | 135
130
india’s 911, an inside job ???
the mumbai bombing….
*It was way back in 2005 when one of Headley’s wives in New York , warned the FBI of Headley’s links with terrorists. Due to a domestic squabble, Headley was even arrested by the police. The wife stated that Headley “was an active militant in the LeT terrorist group & had trained extensively in Pakistani camps, shopped for night-vision goggles & other equipment”. She also said that “Headley used to brag about his working as a paid informant of the US , while he trained with terrorists in Pakistan
Later again in 2007, only a year prior to the attack, his wife in Pakistan went to the US embassy in Islamabad & gave specific information of his terrorist links but she was driven away both the times & basically told to “Get Lost”, by the FBI-CIA officials*
sounds familiar ? suspect with known link to ‘terrorists group’ allowed to roam free ??
*So why was Headley arrested by the FBI eventually ?
The answer to that is that Indian Intel was hard on the heels of Headley & were about to arrest him. It was then that the FBI whisked away Headley to protect him. Now that he has been subjected to the laws of the US judicial system, he is beyond our reach. Leave alone a trial for Headley’s central role in the 26/11 attacks, we do not even have the right to interrogate him on Indian soil.*
rings a bell ?
michael meiring in ph, raymond davis in pk…..terrorists protected by washington ???
*Also do note that during the phase of the worst series of terror attacks between 2006-08, Headley was present in that period & was flying into India mainly from Pakistan. Yet our authorities did not once suspect or interrogate him? Unfortunately the Indian People are not that naive. This means that there possibly are certain forces within the country that are allied to the US & Israel & working in tandem to foment terror attacks.*
poor dear, why does uncle scam always get the blame ?
its so unfair,
hehehehe !!
*Do especially note the period between August 2007 & September 2008 as this was during which we passed through the worst national crisis over the Indo-US Nuclear Deal. The attacks coincide with Headleys’ presence in India (Josy Joseph, 17/11/09, DNA ). The terror attacks in Hyderabad II (25/8/07), Bangalore (25/7/08), Ahmedabad & Surat (26/7/08) & Delhi (13/9/08). All these blasts made it easier for the pro-US elements to take the country into the American-Israeli strategic orbit in the name of fighting the global war on terror.*
problem, reaction, solution.
always ask…cui bono ?
http://www.countercurrents.org/jagtap150216.htm
Posted by: denk | Jun 28 2016 16:13 utc | 136
be careful what u wish for….
hehehe
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jun/28/england-iceland-internet-reacts-humiliating-euro-2016-brexit
Posted by: denk | Jun 28 2016 16:52 utc | 137
Our Dear First Lady and …
the difference between experience and incompetence is power in action.
the dialectic be damned.
Posted by: D | Jun 30 2016 3:58 utc | 138
136
*why does uncle scam always get the blame whenever something got blown up ?
why indeed , there must be a reason !
off hand i could think of the following fukus terrorists caught red handed…and rescued by the white house.
michael meiring in ph,
raymond davis in pak,
david headley in india,
brit sas masquaring as ‘eyerab terrorists’ in iraq,’ rescued by a brit tank detachment of the
*liberating force’,
these terrorists have style !
hhehehe
kla terrorists [listed in the state dept as such] in macedonia resuced by nato troops from bondsteel base,
isis terrorists [ state dept data base no less] rescued by murkkans in syria,
…………
er, just discover another one ,
*On August 19, 2008 an American, Kenneth Haywood, who was being investigated last July for “bomb blasts which killed 42 people” in a series of 16 explosions fled India. Some claim that Haywood may have been a CIA asset. *
may , what do they mean ‘may’ ?
considering the tens of thousands of ‘terrorists attacks’ since 911, u bet the above are just the tip of an iceberg. there must be an army of such ‘moslem’ terrorists out there roaming free,planting bombs in market place, malls, ….
hmmm, what about the spurt of blasts in chinese factories last yr…8 ‘accidents’ in 2 mths, ???
check what ian flaming’s fundamental rule
of probability says !
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joe vialls was the famous/notorious ‘conspiracy theorist’ who claimed bali, mariotte hotel bombing and the 2005 sea tsunami were murkkan ff, executed with ‘micro nukes’ no less !!
im not in a position to determine whether those bombs were ‘micro nukes’, what i do know all the official reports stinks.
[zwo watch rule 1]
always assume uncle scam guilty until proven innocent !
+ cui bono ??
the timing ,that was when fukus wanna get its boots into sea and the stans under the pretext of wot.
+fukus proven track record of ff since 1875, especially after 2001
+two ex indon prez declared the bali bombing was ‘inside job’ !
joe vialls died of a mysterious ‘chest pain’ soon after he wrote the asian tsunami [1] piece,
was he murdered, like dr kelly ?
his site and all its archives on the net were scrubbed clean after his death.
hmmm
a jakarta post reporter Robert S. Finnegan who challenged the official story of bali bombing soon lost his job.
luckily,
someone kept a copy . [2]
[2]
http://abundanthope.net/pages/Political_Information_43/Bali-Bombings-The-Truth–Joe-Vialls-et-al.shtml
Posted by: denk | Jun 30 2016 15:12 utc | 139
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letter to the editor,
Moslem Terrorism’ Is Fabricated By Intel Agencies
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/moslemterrorismfabricated16oct05.shtml
Posted by: denk | Jun 30 2016 16:42 utc | 140
There was a minor escalation of hostilities in the Donbas. The UAF made a short (4km) advance around Debaltsevo. It was the loss of the town to the DPR in Feb. 2015 that secured the present de factoindependence of Novorossiya and produced the present stale.
While the Russian ambassador to the UN termed it an offensive, as did the editors at Fort Russ, it is not quite all that. UAF Uglegorsk offensive: a wake-up call for DPR defense readiness makes it clear, ” a fairly successful reconnaissance mission” this was merely a test.
In the near future, we can expect new attempts at a breakthrough. Kiev has tried and realized that breaking the defense of the NAF is possible. Yesterday, the UAF did not have an intention of consolidating, but next time they could strike at a certain point and then dig in and thus create a dangerous, disturbing bulge like what happened near Yasinovataya.
This area and nearby Avdeevka saw heaving fighting in Spring 2015.
That the “Azov” and “Donbas” militia detachments deployed to the front suggests a renewal of hostilities is possible.
“Now, during yet another escalation of the conflict, the positions of the UAF are subjected to daily shelling by the terrorists, and the enemy’s sabotage and reconnaissance groups and snipers have been re-activated. Therefore, the return of volunteers who in their time inflicted terror upon the separatists and have now undergone professional military training, is justified,” [Zoryan] Shkiryak [advisor to the Minitsry of the Interior] said [on his Facebook page].
If it is the start of a new offensive, it seems that the Ukrainians have committed a minor war crime to mark the occasion, seizing a DNR sapper team which was coordinating with the OSCE mission in the Donbas. They alleged that the mine clearance operation was “sabotage,” shelled the group and detained the survivors.
The baseness and insidiousness in the capture of the DPR sappers, which were conducting demining activities with prior notice to the OSCE and the Ukrainian Army, once again confirm that the current Kiev command led by Poroshenko and Co. are generally useless to agree about something. It is understandable that after such diversions, the people of Donbass don’t want to hear about any trust or compromise with the current Kiev authorities.
And so in the Donbas, The Struggle Continues.
an aside on the election —
Make America Hate Again — by soliciting illegal foreign donations! These would be actual crimes on the part of The D**khead Donald, as opposed to gleefully alleged machinations by Mrs. Clinton. But they are the classiest, glitziest, hugest illegal donations! “Trump Oval Office(TM) Influence Peddling!” “You’re bribed!(TM)”
Posted by: rufus magister | Jul 1 2016 3:52 utc | 141
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Since 911, and particularly the assassination of Dr. Kelly, astute readers must understand that our modern world is run EXCLUSIVELY by Western Intelligence Agencies. We should accept it and learn to live with it.
The entire BS about ‘democracy’ should be left to Intelligence Agency fronts such as Condi, CNN, Fox ‘news’ and the BBC (British Bullshit Corporation). We are now totally under the control of the NWO and we better get used to it [3]
tell that to kathy kelly, anti war super lady Extraordinaire, fighting the zwo since 2001 [1]
still going strong. [2]
[1]
http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/kelly/what.htm
[2]
https://zcomm.org/znetarticle/activists-arrested-for-entering-drone-base-with-loaf-of-bread/
[3]
http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/kelly/what.htm
Posted by: denk | Jul 1 2016 6:53 utc | 142