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June 3, 2016
Open Thread 2016-20
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Thanks for the link. It is helpful to have an article that documents what is happening in what the US calls its backyard. Sadly, it isn’t at all surprising. It is just the same old same old of American Foreign policy … Posted by: rg the lg | Jun 3 2016 19:40 utc | 2 I found this interesting… Posted by: dh | Jun 3 2016 19:49 utc | 3 what the dalai lama thought: Posted by: 5 dancing shlomos | Jun 3 2016 20:51 utc | 4 #2 Posted by: Inkan1969 | Jun 3 2016 20:57 utc | 5 The Us offers a face saving to Erdogan: the SDF is 85% arabs! Posted by: Virgile | Jun 3 2016 21:30 utc | 6 DH @ 3: Posted by: Jen | Jun 3 2016 22:19 utc | 7 @5 dancing shlomos | Jun 3, 2016 4:51:33 PM | 4 Posted by: Jack Smith | Jun 3 2016 22:20 utc | 8 @Inkan1969 | Jun 3, 2016 4:57:56 PM | 5 Posted by: Jack Smith | Jun 3 2016 22:56 utc | 9 *** SOMETHING BIG UP *** Posted by: ALberto | Jun 3 2016 23:10 utc | 10 By Gordon Duff with Nahed al Hussaini and Dr. Bassam Barakat, VT Damascus Posted by: ALberto | Jun 3 2016 23:16 utc | 11 After you’ve spent one thread on electoral issues, I’m sure you don’t want the open thread to be discussing the same, but I was struck this morning by an essay on counterpunch.org by Rob Urie that went along with the themes discussed yesterday, but in answer to “rg the lg” that we’ve been in disarray since Washington was chosen to be president of the new country, I would beg to disagree, and I think Rob Urie’s article tells us how very recently this horrible rule of miscreants was successfully perpetrated. Posted by: juliania | Jun 3 2016 23:57 utc | 12 “Posted by: Jack Smith | Jun 3, 2016 6:20:46 PM | 8” Posted by: jo6pac | Jun 3 2016 23:57 utc | 13 Posted by: ALberto | Jun 3, 2016 7:16:53 PM | 11 Posted by: jo6pac | Jun 3 2016 23:59 utc | 14 jo6pack @ 14 Posted by: ALberto | Jun 4 2016 0:54 utc | 15 b, Posted by: Jack Smith | Jun 4 2016 0:59 utc | 16 Thanks Jack … Posted by: rg the lg | Jun 4 2016 1:34 utc | 17 @12 juliana, ‘After you’ve spent one thread on electoral issues, I’m sure you don’t want the open thread to be discussing the same,’ rg the lg @2 Sad should not be the emotion. Outrage is the only appropriate response. Posted by: Macon Richardson | Jun 4 2016 2:06 utc | 19 @7 Well yes. It wouldn’t surprise me to learn that Dalai is a total asshole. But he does have a large following who think he is a fountain of wisdom. Posted by: dh | Jun 4 2016 2:31 utc | 20 Outrage? Posted by: rg the lg | Jun 4 2016 2:58 utc | 21 One can see how quickly. Clever apologists turn the table and condemn those who have enuff of violence wherever. Posted by: Jack Smith | Jun 4 2016 4:04 utc | 22 Continuing a discussion of Crimean Tatar nationalism begun on the last Open Thread; see nrs. 63, 78, 85-6, 89, 93, 110 and 128
He also provides a longer account drawing on the testimony of surviors, from Fishki.net Their underlying site “Velikoross” is a “Literary-Historical Journal” on the Great Russian pass. The author writes:
The unit melted away elsewhere in the Soviet Union as liberation neared, but members were apparently later caught and sentenced. Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 4 2016 4:09 utc | 23 Where’s the bloody milk? Posted by: Nana2007 | Jun 4 2016 5:15 utc | 24 the open thread as perpetual usa election thread.. a regular phenomenon at moa! apparently the last thread wasn’t enough… continue, lol… i was away from the asylum for a day and just got back to see.. Posted by: james | Jun 4 2016 5:42 utc | 25 According to Al Monitor, Russia is gearing up for resuming it’s sorties in Syria. Russia has to stop listening to Washington. Posted by: Fernando Arauxo | Jun 4 2016 6:26 utc | 26 Russia said to be considering special forces in Syria. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article44793.htm Posted by: Penelope | Jun 4 2016 6:49 utc | 27 licensed to kill. Posted by: denk | Jun 4 2016 6:57 utc | 28 Wait a minute. Desmond Tutu is one of the most stand up shoot- from- the-hip guys around. He is an astute judge of character and never ever lies. And he loves the Dalai Llama. I dont care much, but I would trust him. There has been a massive Chinese propaganda campaign to slander him. Beware. Posted by: dan | Jun 4 2016 7:10 utc | 29 J. Hawk write so of the so-called Intermarium project, viewing it as likely to come into fruition only if the US decides to double-cross Germany …
Clara Weiss however sees real possibility in the US using Poland as another Ukraine against Russia …
Poland plans to expand army due to ‘security concerns’
Whether or not an attempt is made to realize the historical, Promethean fantasy of the Intermarium, it looks like the US is encouraging the far-right in Poland …
Interesting, if morbid, reading. He still is the greatest. Re: BRICS – Brazil. Re: Posted by: james | Jun 4, 2016 1:42:33 AM | 24 I would like to nominate each and every dolt who has mentioned anything regarding U.S. political elections on this thread for the Idiot of the Month award with additional five mentions for Brainless of the Week awards Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jun 4 2016 10:29 utc | 34 Since the U.S. has deployed nuclear cruse missiles there, it is very possible that Russia will simply use conventional bombs to destroy the Deveselu Air Base airport in Deveselu, Romania. Probably with fuel air (thermobaric) bombs. Posted by: blues | Jun 4 2016 12:16 utc | 35 27 Posted by: denk | Jun 4 2016 12:38 utc | 36 In an email from the Greens they are asking everyone to vote for bernie in the Calif. primary. Then for them at Show Time Nov. Posted by: jo6pac | Jun 4 2016 13:42 utc | 37 I love how the clowns say Trump is the threat.The MSM still has sway over weak minds. Posted by: dahoit | Jun 4 2016 14:18 utc | 38 Jjo6pac at 36. Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 4 2016 14:44 utc | 39 35 Posted by: denk | Jun 4 2016 14:44 utc | 40 Obama and his family were in Indonesia in 1965. His stepfather admitted killing lots of people. His mother was supposedly doing anthropological research for USAID and the Ford Foundation. The U.S. is known to have handed over kill lists to the Indonesian military. There is a lot that is suspicious about Obama’s life as a young adult: nobody in his class at Columbia — and not even the chairman of his department remembers him, mysterious first job at a firm that looks CIA-connected, mysteriously accelerated political career. Posted by: lysias | Jun 4 2016 14:45 utc | 41 This continues as discussion of Crimean Tatar nationalism begun on the earlier Open Thread. See nos. 63, 78, 85-6, 89, 93, 110 and 128 Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 4 2016 14:48 utc | 42 further to 41 — Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 4 2016 14:50 utc | 43 As Gil Scott-Heron says in B Movie, “As Wall Street goes, so goes the nation. And here’s a look at the closing numbers.” Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 4 2016 15:02 utc | 44 @42 The white-washing of the Crimean Tartars dovetails with the image of Stalin as monster. Clearly Stalin was a brutal man. It’s also clear the Crimean Tartars picked the wrong side. Posted by: dh | Jun 4 2016 15:09 utc | 45 Graphics day. Posted by: Noirette | Jun 4 2016 15:14 utc | 46 US Secy of Defense Ashton Carter seems intent on making the dispute over tiny Scarborough Shoal very hot, soon. He even kind of attacked Trump in his Singapore speech:
dh at 43 — Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 4 2016 16:20 utc | 48 Oh that was ugly. Kiev-authorized Mejilis. Always preview…. Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 4 2016 16:23 utc | 49 @46 I see Stalin as a man of his time. As were Hitler and Churchill I suppose. Posted by: dh | Jun 4 2016 16:26 utc | 50 Lots of material here on political aspects of the Dalai Lama and Tibetan Buddhism, from a political point of view: Posted by: RudyM | Jun 4 2016 16:58 utc | 52 I am generally opposed to mass immigration, so I’m not specifically condemning the Dalai Lama’s comments on that, but I think he needs to be viewed as a political figure who has been quite skillful at presenting his image to the west in whatever form is most palatable. Posted by: RudyM | Jun 4 2016 17:02 utc | 53 @32 jules.. i was unaware of what the us military has said about trump. i am not american and don’t follow all this.. thanks for your comment.. Posted by: james | Jun 4 2016 17:03 utc | 54 USS Harry S. Truman launches airstrikes against Islamic State from Mediterranean … Posted by: ALberto | Jun 4 2016 17:08 utc | 55 pat lang just had a post up talking about putin takes the long view… it is now taken down.. not sure if he will put it up again – http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2016/06/putin-takes-the-global-long-view-in-next-moves-in-syria.html Posted by: james | Jun 4 2016 17:09 utc | 56 This whole book was quite interesting, but again, the subject matter is so esoteric (in every sense) that I can only really come to tentative views on what is discussed, without immersing myself into Buddhism and Tibetan history far more than I have any interest in doing: Posted by: RudyM | Jun 4 2016 17:24 utc | 57 Growing up in Crimea, at least one of the stories after the war was that when local men organised into volunteer group to oppose the Nazis, they hid into the many caves and mountain hideouts. The local Tatars knew of these hideouts, and some spilled the beans to the occupier. All of the volunteer Slavs were thus killed. A little too many Tatars collaborated with the occupiers during the war. Afterward, the Soviet govt. kicked them out (Central Asia, I believe)- justifiably, IMHO. Tatars came to Crimea after the Mongol invasion – they were invaders; their “claim” to Crimea is tenuous, to say the least. Posted by: GoraDiva | Jun 4 2016 17:24 utc | 58 (I was drawn to Tibetan Buddhism in my teens (blame Allen Ginsberg, mostly), though my investigation didn’t go particularly deep, so I have a special interest in anti-apologetic material on that religion.) Posted by: RudyM | Jun 4 2016 17:27 utc | 59 Regarding #50 #28, #4, #3 Posted by: Grieved | Jun 4 2016 17:36 utc | 60 dh at 48-9 Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 4 2016 17:40 utc | 61 @jo6pac | Jun 4, 2016 9:42:18 AM | 36 Posted by: Jack Smith | Jun 4 2016 17:41 utc | 62
So is there something wrong with passing judgment or even just forming opinions about a public figure? Posted by: RudyM | Jun 4 2016 18:14 utc | 63 to Dalai Lama lover: Posted by: From The Hague | Jun 4 2016 18:30 utc | 64 @61 I think a lot of Western thinking towards Tibet….and Buddhism in general has to do with a vague belief in some kind of Shangri-La where monks spin prayer wheels all day. Tibet was never that. In fact it seems to have been a rather nasty feudal state. Anybody who knows Thailand will tell you how materialistic Buddhists can be. Posted by: dh | Jun 4 2016 18:32 utc | 65 @62 intrigant is dutch , sorry Posted by: From The Hague | Jun 4 2016 18:34 utc | 66 I don’t think it’s possible to fix our problems, here on earth. Posted by: dumbass | Jun 4 2016 18:43 utc | 67 Moldova Is Rattled as Washington Welcomes a Feared Tycoon
Check out this graphic: Posted by: dumbass | Jun 4 2016 19:10 utc | 69 james #24, Jules #32, blues #34 Posted by: juannie | Jun 4 2016 19:20 utc | 70 I just finished skimming through Richard Charnin’s book Matrix of Deceit, about fraudulent elections in the U.S. and exit polling. One of Charnin’s most striking pieces of evidence that elections in the U.S. are fraudulent is this. Through 2008 exit pollsters always asked those they questioned who they had voted for in the previous presidential election. Exit pollsters have always adjusted their poll results with the reported results of elections by weighting some of the answers they get more heavily than others. In this way, a 52-48 result favoring Kerry in 2004 in the raw data can be adjusted to yield 52-48 in favor of Bush. But that means the results for the subsidiary questions they ask are also “adjusted”, on the assumption that certain segments of the population were more heavily represented in the population of actual voters than they were in the population of those who were polled. For the 2004 presidential election, this adjustment resulted in the extremely anomalous result that 110% of those who voted for Bush in the 2000 election also voted for him in 2004. This is doubly impossible, not only because it is more than 100%, but also because about 5% of the voters for Bush in 2000 would have died in the intervening four years. For earlier elections, there were similarly anomalous results, especially regarding the question on who they had voted for four years earlier. Posted by: lysias | Jun 4 2016 19:29 utc | 71
And suddenly the New York Times and other mainstream sources were full of negative accounts of Suharto. I remember. I was on again/off again active (marginally) in ETAN, addressing the East Timor issue in the mid-to-late 90s, so I was especially primed to notice all of this. Posted by: RudyM | Jun 4 2016 20:25 utc | 72 @70 juannie Posted by: Grieved | Jun 4 2016 20:49 utc | 73 @70 juannie / @ 73 grieved.. Posted by: james | Jun 4 2016 22:18 utc | 74 @46, noirette @75, @46 noirette @46 noirette @53, RudyM, … Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 4 2016 23:58 utc | 79 @79 hoarse jfl, Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 5 2016 0:21 utc | 81 >> the MoA commetariat is a bit optimistic Posted by: dumbass | Jun 5 2016 1:26 utc | 82 I think the loyalty of the nihilist CIA ’employees’ is to The Company, exclusively. To the extent that they have any loyalty at all beyond that to ‘number one’. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 5 2016 1:37 utc | 83 @83, hoarse Hoarsewhisperer & jfl Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 5 2016 1:57 utc | 85 Grieved #73,
I am not at all religious even though, perhaps because I was brought up the son of an Anglican/Episcopalian minister. But I consider myself deeply spiritual, even though I matured in the throes of an engineering and Randian ethos. However, I honor and respect those of deep conviction and faith who sincerely dive to the depths of their soul to try to find solutions to worldly delima. Putin’s visit to Athos strongly reinforces my conviction that he is truly a great and righteous statesman and leader. Lets hope his statesmanship and leadership can find a way to get us through the nefarious and psychopathic folly of the western idiots. Posted by: juannie | Jun 5 2016 2:14 utc | 86 Californian please read – No Party Preference (NNP) Voter Option Posted by: Jack Smith | Jun 5 2016 9:11 utc | 87 Posted by: Jack Smith | Jun 5, 2016 5:11:28 AM | 87 Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 5 2016 11:14 utc | 88 @ Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 5, 2016 7:14:42 AM | 88 Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jun 5 2016 11:29 utc | 89 addendum to @ 89 Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jun 5 2016 11:32 utc | 90 Another serious question needing asking is: If there was anything remarkable in that space between Canada America and Mexico America, why is most of it considered fly-over territory? Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jun 5 2016 11:40 utc | 91
And I happen to be the son of a Methodist minister. Posted by: RudyM | Jun 5 2016 13:42 utc | 92 I had seen several of William R Polk’s articles on the Middle East previously, linked to from consortiumnews.com, and was impressed by the man’s knowledge of the area. He was associated with – worked in – the Kennedy administration, and left at the beginning of Johnson’s after Kennedy’s murder. He is a ‘Camelot’ partisan, but he is also a very well-informed man. I just finished Understanding IRAN, having read Understanding IRAQ a week or two ago. He does focus the ‘blame’ on Republicrats and skip over Demoblicans’ but his distortions are fairly transparent, easily seen through, and he delivers plenty of facts. A footnote from Chapter Four, FROM POLITICAL REVOLUTION THROUGH SOCIAL REVOLUTION TO VIOLENT REVOLUTION :
Not unlike the Israeli laundering of US ‘foreign aid’ funds, before it is returned to Americans in Congress and elsewhere ‘whose favor is thought to be valuable’. No pretense of ‘campaign contributions’ in the good ole days. US Ambassadors on the take. $1 million 1962 ~ $8 million 2016. The two books are quite an education on the Middle East, at least for this ignorant American. To top off mine, Rudy, I spent my last two years of high school boarding in a Methodist seminary. It helped hone my skills of deceit in avoidance of punishment. It would be an interesting research project to determine the percentage of PK’s who matured into radicals. 🙂 Posted by: juannie | Jun 5 2016 14:05 utc | 94 62;No,intrigant is in the Merriam Webster college Dictionary;those who intrigue. Posted by: dahoit | Jun 5 2016 14:23 utc | 95 Thread Nazis:Clinton wins the Virgin Islands with 84% of the vote.Damn,they are antisemites there too. Posted by: dahoit | Jun 5 2016 14:25 utc | 96 Open thread;No mention of no political views? Posted by: dahoit | Jun 5 2016 14:35 utc | 97 jfl and others, I just rechecked the links I posted and they work fine for me. I should warn if there is an animation, right. Posted by: Noirette | Jun 5 2016 14:42 utc | 98 French Revolution 2.0, if it gets off the ground – Hoarse. Posted by: Noirette | Jun 5 2016 14:59 utc | 99 cia trg manual Posted by: denk | Jun 5 2016 15:24 utc | 100 |
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