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June 03, 2016

Open Thread 2016-20

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Thanks for the link. It is helpful to have an article that documents what is happening in what the US calls its backyard. Sadly, it isn't at all surprising. It is just the same old same old of American Foreign policy ...

In the meantime everybody seems obsessed about the alleged election of the next 'temporary emperor' - the next in the long series of acceptable monarchs starting with Washington and ambling mindlessly forward to Obama. What is astonishing, to me at least, is how well the propaganda machine (called by the euphemism 'education') has so twisted the minds of the typical American that they actually think we are the good guys. This past Monday most people spent their time glorifying what has become the stock in trade myth of the great US military -
and part is true: the oligarchs have allowed a large number of military recruits to sacrifice themselves on the altar or the oligarchic capitalism we live within.

The persuasive myth is beginning to unravel - not because people are 'waking up' but rather because like the selfish brats they are they want to return to a time when 40% of the world's economic growth was in the United States. They don't, and never have, give a rats ass about the rest of the world. It is simply, whether Trump or Bernie or Cunton, a desire to have a piece of the pie - a slice of the greed that is America. Sadly, that includes many of the people who respond to B's efforts to wake somebody up.

Sad ...

Posted by: rg the lg | Jun 3 2016 19:40 utc | 2

I found this interesting...

"The Dalai Lama, widely known for his compassionate views, has said that "too many" refugees are seeking asylum in Europe, according to German news.

Speaking to reporters in the de facto capital of Tibet's exiled government, he said: "Europe, for example Germany, cannot become an Arab country," in an interview with German newspaper Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung. "Germany is Germany. There are so many that in practice it becomes difficult.""


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/dalai-lama-says-too-many-refugees-in-europe-a7058911.html#commentsDiv

Posted by: dh | Jun 3 2016 19:49 utc | 3

what the dalai lama thought:

"the middle east, for example palestine, cannot become a parasite country."

"palestine is palestine. not a toxic, refuse dump for undesirable parasites birthed in hell."

thank you, speaker of truth.

Posted by: 5 dancing shlomos | Jun 3 2016 20:51 utc | 4

#2

Aren't those alleged assassins spilling blood on the street to bring about collapse of the current political system?

Posted by: Inkan1969 | Jun 3 2016 20:57 utc | 5

The Us offers a face saving to Erdogan: the SDF is 85% arabs!

Posted by: Virgile | Jun 3 2016 21:30 utc | 6

DH @ 3:

You'll find this old Melbourne Age article dated 2007 about the Dalai Lama, his being on the CIA payroll for well over a decade (late 1950s to 1974) and the various relatives of his who work in his government-in-exile even more interesting than that Independent article.

Michael Backman: "Behind Dalai Lama's holy cloak"
http://www.theage.com.au/news/business/behind-dalai-lamas-holy-cloak/2007/05/22/1179601410290.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1

An excerpt from the article:

"... Like many Asian politicians, the Dalai Lama has been remarkably nepotistic, appointing members of his family to many positions of prominence. In recent years, three of the six members of the Kashag, or cabinet, the highest executive branch of the Tibetan government-in-exile, have been close relatives of the Dalai Lama.

An older brother served as chairman of the Kashag and as the minister of security. He also headed the CIA-backed Tibetan contra movement in the 1960s.

A sister-in-law served as head of the government-in-exile's planning council and its Department of Health.

A younger sister served as health and education minister and her husband served as head of the government-in-exile's Department of Information and International Relations.

Their daughter was made a member of the Tibetan parliament in exile. A younger brother has served as a senior member of the private office of the Dalai Lama and his wife has served as education minister.

The second wife of a brother-in-law serves as the representative of the Tibetan government-in-exile for northern Europe and head of international relations for the government-in-exile. All these positions give the Dalai Lama's family access to millions of dollars collected on behalf of the government-in-exile ..."

Posted by: Jen | Jun 3 2016 22:19 utc | 7

@5 dancing shlomos | Jun 3, 2016 4:51:33 PM | 4

what the dalai lama thought:

Another thought from Desmond Tutu in Brian Becker show this morning (RT Radio Sputnik),

When the missionaries came to Africa, they had the Bible and we had the land. They said “let us close our eyes and pray.” When we opened them, we had the Bible, and they had the land.

Posted by: Jack Smith | Jun 3 2016 22:20 utc | 8

@Inkan1969 | Jun 3, 2016 4:57:56 PM | 5

Aren't those alleged assassins spilling blood on the street to bring about collapse of the current political system?

Let me try this LG.

In a free and democratic society. Head they win tail I loose. They, meaning NeoCon and NeoLib. I appreciate your thought and what choices do we have?

Back to the question, lesser of two evils. Hallelujah! Bernie Sanders.

.....and the endless wars continue Israel continue to slaughter Palestinians and Bernie continue what Obomo and predecessors trying for the last 70 yr. Get the two sides sit down and talk. All the while settlements (and killing) continue. Last checked there is no way a two-states can exist The Swiss cheese turn almost to Mozzarella cheese.

Posted by: Jack Smith | Jun 3 2016 22:56 utc | 9

*** SOMETHING BIG UP ***

Reports of USN Aircraft Carrier launched missions against Islamic forces ___________ (fill in the blank) to be named at a later date, from the Mediterranean Sea. Another carrier group is steaming toward the Med at this very moment. Targets are in Syria, Iraq and associated areas. What up with Fallujah?

The GOV net flack is heavy on this one. My Lap Top freezes up and I get repeated debug code messages which when I check them out state 'source unknown.'

Just My Opinion

Posted by: ALberto | Jun 3 2016 23:10 utc | 10

By Gordon Duff with Nahed al Hussaini and Dr. Bassam Barakat, VT Damascus
Exclusive: "Iraqi forces have captured an Israeli military commander trying to escape from Fallujah. We expect to have his identity in a few hours.

Advance units of the Syrian Arab Army, supported by forces of Hezbollah, Iranian volunteers and Russian Aerospace fighter/bombers are advancing on the ISIS held Tabqa Military Airport, just south of Raqqah."


"Sources in Damascus have told VT that this drive, supported by Russian Aerospace sorties, is advancing through the night to seize the ISIS held airport after it was learned that America planned to open a major base there, dominating this vital region, part of a secret agreement to split Syria, a plan made showing a shocking level of cooperation between “strange bedfellows,” most notable an American deal with ISIS against Damascus."

source - http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/06/02/breaking-surprise-syrian-drive-on-raqqah-blocks-secret-us-plan/

Posted by: ALberto | Jun 3 2016 23:16 utc | 11

After you've spent one thread on electoral issues, I'm sure you don't want the open thread to be discussing the same, but I was struck this morning by an essay on counterpunch.org by Rob Urie that went along with the themes discussed yesterday, but in answer to "rg the lg" that we've been in disarray since Washington was chosen to be president of the new country, I would beg to disagree, and I think Rob Urie's article tells us how very recently this horrible rule of miscreants was successfully perpetrated.

Here's just a slab of his message:

". . .The Obama administration brought this institutional dysfunction to its logical conclusion by filling the skies of the Middle East and North Africa with murder robots and defining the hundreds and thousands of randomly murdered victims as ‘terrorists’ by the fact that they were murdered rather than through any semblance of due process. The economic analog can be found in the millions of well-paying jobs that have been outsourced through trade agreements pushed by the bi-partisan Washington establishment for the benefit of Wall Street and connected capitalists. The people whose lives were interrupted and / or destroyed through the sudden (and often permanent) inability to earn a living (1) bore no responsibility for their economic fates and (2) were just numbers on a spreadsheet to those doing the economic calculations from afar."

The institutional dysfunction he is referring to begins with the Clintons. I think this country has wised up enough that if the D's force us to contemplate another round of that dynasty there just might well be another revolution. Whether the first one actually did what the people thought it did or not - the people are thinking again. Make no mistake about that.

Posted by: juliania | Jun 3 2016 23:57 utc | 12

"Posted by: Jack Smith | Jun 3, 2016 6:20:46 PM | 8"

LOL but at the same Cry:-(

Posted by: jo6pac | Jun 3 2016 23:57 utc | 13

Posted by: ALberto | Jun 3, 2016 7:16:53 PM | 11

Thanks for the link, interesting for sure.

Posted by: jo6pac | Jun 3 2016 23:59 utc | 14

jo6pack @ 14

I would hate to be on the losing side of this one but that said, I do not believe there will be any winning side. Very sad days ahead. Death and massive destruction in the name of an 'Exceptional Empire.'

Posted by: ALberto | Jun 4 2016 0:54 utc | 15

b,

An open thread on D-day? Will posts before and after voting. This House seat important, in 2014 Repug won on early counts. A week later Dem walked away with less than few hundred votes on mandatory recounts. Dem won - a County South strong Dem support. My County rooting for the Repug.

The last time voted early, the polling station almost empty. I'll try to get my fellow citizen views.

BTW, Latino (majority) doesn't, can't or afraid to votes.

Posted by: Jack Smith | Jun 4 2016 0:59 utc | 16

Thanks Jack ...

To everyone else ...
Alas awakening a somnolent people only seems to make them greedy. There seems to be so little concern for others ... whether next door, down the street, in the next town, next county, next state, next country ...
I am of the opinion that a revolution, bloody, ugly and horrific is the only solution to reset what is - but being brain-washed or brain-dead the chances are very small.
It isn't really capitalism ... that is just a fancy name for greed, selfishness, ... and maybe just the hard wiring of the human ...

Posted by: rg the lg | Jun 4 2016 1:34 utc | 17

@12 juliana, 'After you've spent one thread on electoral issues, I'm sure you don't want the open thread to be discussing the same,'

But you're ready, so you dump. Dump on the election thread, It's still open.

Posted by: jfl | Jun 4 2016 1:36 utc | 18

rg the lg @2 Sad should not be the emotion. Outrage is the only appropriate response.

Posted by: Macon Richardson | Jun 4 2016 2:06 utc | 19

@7 Well yes. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that Dalai is a total asshole. But he does have a large following who think he is a fountain of wisdom.

What interested me about his statement was the way he maintains a veneer of compassion over a core of pragmatism. It must be a difficult balancing act.

Posted by: dh | Jun 4 2016 2:31 utc | 20

Outrage?
Macon:
Why bother ... as a cynic [ cynicism: the thick, hard shell an idealist grows to protect idealism from reality ] the outrageous won't happen, though it should - thus, I am left with just being sad.

Posted by: rg the lg | Jun 4 2016 2:58 utc | 21


One can see how quickly. Clever apologists turn the table and condemn those who have enuff of violence wherever.

Wait till Obomo terms over, an oxymoron from the other sides takes power and Black lives still doesn't matter - continue slaughter in the streets. It will unleash violence far worst than the last eight years. Ferguson, MO will be pale in comparison.

I witness the East LA riots, but was far away nowhere near it, but in "White" suburb, it was not pretty I can assure anyone reading this. Hopefully, not too late to end the Duopoly ASSAP.

We need someone real, decides once and for all end regimes changes, endless war and etc... This nation needs a tough strong president willing to take responsibility, concentrates on its citizens, renew America and not words and promises. I see no one able to do it. Not in Bernie, Trump, Jill Stein, Hillary or anyone hidden somewhere. Maybe Putin just be the man?

My sincere thanks to MoA reading my comments, refrain using unkind words or racist remarks. Thank you again. I am a human just like you.

Posted by: Jack Smith | Jun 4 2016 4:04 utc | 22

Continuing a discussion of Crimean Tatar nationalism begun on the last Open Thread; see nrs. 63, 78, 85-6, 89, 93, 110 and 128

The folks at the International Committee for Crimea have worked hard to shape the discussion on the issue of Tatar collaboration with the fascist invaders and its consequences. Compare the wiki on Deportation of the Crimean Tatars with this posting from their archive.

Apologia for the Tatars, like this account which the Committee cites, elide several key issues. It stresses the men serving in various capacities with the Wehrmacht, noting that duties included mundane functions like nursing, clerking and driving. While it does allow that many were in police units affiliated with the Army or the SS, no mention is made that a major functions of these units were to combat partisans and generally keep secure the rear areas. This included aiding in the round-up of Jews and Slavs, for deportation to death or forced labor.

This account, "False Charges of Treason" officially published by the Committee omits any discussion of the police auxiliaries, and instead works Stalin's paper trail on regarding the typical figure of 20,000 collobrators, between Wehrmacht, police, and SS formations. It does not deny collaboration, but says that it was not "mass treason." It does not actually attempt to document the exact extent of collaboration; it wants a muddy backwater, not a clear spring.

The author, Otto Pohl, wants to argue that the commonly accepted figure is an artefact of Stalin's policymakers. While he notes a formal transferrence was never made, he argures that early reports of 20,000 Crimean Tatar deserters became 20,000 collaborators, magically assuming all deserters later fought for the Nazis (as opposed to returning to their homes and trying to get on with life).

He posits the 5,989 arrested by the Soviets immediately after liberating the Crimea (from a population of 197,000) as the true figure. This ignores, of course, the fact many of the military and paramilitary formations accompanied their masters back to the ruins of the Reich, with many others soldiers killed in action. And that other actual collaborators might have been missed in this initial sweep.

But presuming his accounting true, a 10.15 pct. collobation rate is definitely mass treason, while a rate of 3.04 is not. One wonders where he is setting the upper boundary of mass treason; five percent?

Pohl also tries to suggest that the Tatars were unfairly singled out. Most colloborators were Ukrainian and Russian, why weren't Russian and Ukrainians deported en masse?

Well, certainly the Russians weren't anti-Russian nationalist seperatists. And deporting everyone from the Ukraine doesn't seem feasible.

And more to the point, the Tatars show a high rate of colloboration. If we use the Waffen-SS enrollments as a proxy for all colloboration, 25,000 Ukrainian and Russians served in the ranks. This would be much smaller percentage of the Soviet population. Cf. to the deaths of Slavs vs. Tatars in fascist death camps; millions vs. a number near zero.

So as with so many things in live, one needs to look at quality as well as quantity. Given the sort of activities of the Crimean volunteers are known to have conducted, I'm not surprised the ICC favors these sorts of abstract, high-level, high-policy discussions.

The fact is, as this Vineyard of the Saker-sourced repost at Russia Insider makes plain, the Germans found the Tatars well-disposed towards them. Even as the fascists were besieging Sevastapol, their leaders were, said the chair of the Tatar Committe that greated them in Jan. 1942, "honored to have the opportunity to fight under the leadership of... the greatest son of the German people… Our names later will be honored along with names of those who advocated the liberation of oppressed peoples.”

Scott Humor, the author, goes on to note the invading Nazi commander, von Manstein, described the Tatars as "very friendly to us." He also quotes partisan commanders reporting that while the German war machine plundered the Russian population, the left the Tatars alone. The Wiki on the Crimean ASSR sheds light on why.

The local head of the civil administration, long-time Austrian Nazi Alfred Frauenfeld, thought the Crimean Tatars descended from the Goths, who put in an appearance there in their own course of nomadic plunder. His Wiki notes he was involved in resettlement schemes involving Volga Germans, from as far away as North America.

These activities were co-ordinated by Himmler's RSHA, the Race and Resettlement Office of the SS and were a pet project of the Reichsfuhrer-SS and Chief of the German Police. This connection certainly gave him the juice to resist the more hardline measures the Reich Commissar for Ukraine Koch expected.

Tatar nationalists like to attribute the soft attitude towards them to von Manstein, who commanded the siege of Sevastopol. The talented von Manstein was only convicted of not speaking up enough soon enough against the Fuhrer, and not directly of any war crimes, was needed elsewhere, serving at Leningrad before re-assuming overall command in the South for Stalingrad. Frauenfeld seems to have been there throughout the Nazi occupation.

The army did not run the rear areas, the police did, and that meant the SS. The Nazi bureacracy was not a well-oiled machined, but rather, a collection of competing fiefdoms arbitrated by the Leader. Frauenfeld, as a local official, had a certain amount of discretion in his duties, which in his opinion included important research on his Goth connection.

Throughout the expanded Reich occupation troops would be augmented by assorted local auxiliaries. Even while von Manstein was there, they formed nine battalions of Tatar Schuma paramilitaries to fight partisans. As we shall see, whatever laxity Frauenfeld might have preferred did not prevent the usual rigorous methods from being applied to the very serious problem of partisan activity.

There is an additional factor in considering the treatment of the Crimean Tatars. As this essay documents, the Nazis strategists envisioned using assorted Moslem populations in Central Asia to fight against and destroy the Soviet Union. In order to try to woe Turkey into the war, the Germans involved it in propagandizing and organizing, but as the ebb and flow of battle began to favor increasingly the Allies, they kept their participation minimal.

I find it interesting that in a region where in the constellation of local fascist fiefdoms circumstances towards laxity were good, the Tatars proved quite brutal. Or rather, to restate it, while circumstances may have been spared the Tatars the rigors of occupation, the Slavic inhabitants felt the full weight, applied in large part by the Tatars.

The Wiki on Turkic and Crimean collaboration lists three formations, Tataren-Gebirgsjäger-Regiment der SS ("SS Tatar Mountain Regiment"), Waffen-Gruppe Krim, and a Schutzmannschaft battalions. The Schuma were police auxiliaries, used againt partisans. The first two were Waffen-SS units.

The Wiki on Waffen-SS foreign volunteers states the Mountain Regiment contained 3,518, and gives the total of 12,000 Turkic fighters in Waffen-SS; the only other formation it gives a figure on is an Azerbaijani regiment of 2,851. The essay on Moslem collaboration reports that the Mountain Regiment was composed of Schuma survivors, making of course for larger number of original collaborators.

Overall, an estimate of 20,000 having collaborated over the course of the occupation, in capacities civil and military, does not strike me as unreasonable.

The essay notes at least one other auxiliary formation. "Khimi," which is I believe a battalion, raised by Yalta Mayor Maltzev to fight partisans. Its zeal for burning villages and other demonstrative brutality so impressed the Germans that they transferred it to the Western front to fight the maquis.

Against non-Russians, many of the Eastern Front auxiliaries did poorly. Not so our plucky Crimeans. During an early July 1944 two-week ordeal of murder, rape, and arson, they killed 35 and destroyed the village of Dortan for aiding the partisans.

Frankly, though, it pales in comparison to what they did back home. Humor brings up the "Krasnii" camp, founded in the summer of 1942 after the fall of nearby Simferopol. He cites an article from Novii Krym. The 152 Schuma Battalion of 320 men ran the detention camp at the "Krasnii" kolkhoz, under the supervision of about a half-doozen Germans. They killed as many as 15,000, destroying the bodies in an improvised crematorium. This short piece from May 2015 notes the opening of a museum on the sight. The facility in its short lived operations matched the Buchenwald kill rate. The few Tatar prisoners were strictly captured partisans, unlike the mix of Slavic military and civil prisoners.

The camp's guard differed especially with a "creative" approach to the destruction of the prisoners... [including] massive burning of several stacked tiers of living people bound with barbed wire, soaked in gasoline and set on fire. Eyewitnesses claimed that "the most fortunate those who lay at the bottom"-suffocating under the weight of human bodies even before the penalty.

He also provides a longer account drawing on the testimony of surviors, from Fishki.net Their underlying site "Velikoross" is a "Literary-Historical Journal" on the Great Russian pass. The author writes:

Today, nobody knows how many prisoners were in camp for the whole of the time. The poultry houses and barns, with very dense settlement, could fit about two thousand people. But every day in the camp died up to 50 prisoners, and the vacated seats are filled immediately.

The unit melted away elsewhere in the Soviet Union as liberation neared, but members were apparently later caught and sentenced.

The site was both before and after the war a model poultry farm. The original used imported, state-of-the-art equipment, as the facilities of the First Five Year Plan often did. The post-war rebuild was also a model facility, only closing in 1993 as the post-Soviet Ukrainian economy tanked.

In the end, the Tatars obtained permission and indeed encouragement to return during glasnost, though the deportation was first officially renounced in 1967, under Brezhnev. Their numbers today roughly match the pre-war population, even though many Tatars remained in Central Asia and elswhere in Russia.

Frankly, little of it would matter much if the Meijlis hadn't taken the side of Kiev in the matter of reunification of Crimea with Russia. Given that Kiev authorized them in 1999 as an official representative body, not a surprise.

Next, a look at the ongoing politics of Crimea's reunion with Russia. There is an Istanbul-Berlin-Kiev Axis.

Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 4 2016 4:09 utc | 23

Where's the bloody milk?

Thanks Jack. You've had too much and you're starting to make sense.

Conflicts, stupid and endless, will rise exponentially. The devil, grown fat on lies, is fit to burst. Nevertheless he will feast on our Easter eggs.

Posted by: Nana2007 | Jun 4 2016 5:15 utc | 24

the open thread as perpetual usa election thread.. a regular phenomenon at moa! apparently the last thread wasn't enough... continue, lol... i was away from the asylum for a day and just got back to see..

anyone for an october 2016 surprise along the lines john helmer suggests?

Posted by: james | Jun 4 2016 5:42 utc | 25

According to Al Monitor, Russia is gearing up for resuming it's sorties in Syria. Russia has to stop listening to Washington.

Posted by: Fernando Arauxo | Jun 4 2016 6:26 utc | 26

Russia said to be considering special forces in Syria. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article44793.htm

Posted by: Penelope | Jun 4 2016 6:49 utc | 27

licensed to kill.

*if the murkkans dont apologise, why should we* ?

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/indonesian-minister-hits/2839158.html

thank you very much murkka, that 'shinning light on the hill', the 'moral compass' for the 'free' world !
hehehehe

Posted by: denk | Jun 4 2016 6:57 utc | 28

Wait a minute. Desmond Tutu is one of the most stand up shoot- from- the-hip guys around. He is an astute judge of character and never ever lies. And he loves the Dalai Llama. I dont care much, but I would trust him. There has been a massive Chinese propaganda campaign to slander him. Beware.

Posted by: dan | Jun 4 2016 7:10 utc | 29

J. Hawk write so of the so-called Intermarium project, viewing it as likely to come into fruition only if the US decides to double-cross Germany ...

EU Death Watch, Part 1: “Intermarium” Intermarium


The recent couple of years have seen a rather unhealthy rise in interest in the concept of so-called “Intermarium,” or an alliance or block of countries bridging the Baltic and Black Seas, though some variations on the theme go further afield. This concept has become popular in several countries all at once, which is sufficient to warrant a closer analysis and to evaluate what new plans to redraw the map of Europe, or at least its spheres of influence, are afoot.

The concept does have its adherents in the US, largely on the unofficial level since EU and NATO are official “sacred cows” with no hint allowed of US government desiring to make hamburgers out of them. Which is not stopping unofficial “trial balloon floaters” from having a field day:


Clara Weiss however sees real possibility in the US using Poland as another Ukraine against Russia ...

The Strategy of the Intermarium


[The new right-wing government in Poland under the Law and Justice Party,] (PiS) stepped up efforts to build up a large army of paramilitary formations. The number of such paramilitary troops tripled between spring 2014 and the fall of 2015 to now approximately 80,000.

This compares to the total number of 120,000 soldiers active in the regular Polish Armed Forces. The PiS government is now integrating these paramilitary formations, which maintain close ties to the country’s virulently racist and violent far-right, into the state (see “Polish government intensifies military build-up”). Much like the guerrilla troops employed by the right-wing government in Ukraine in the civil war since 2014, these troops are aimed not only to help in case of war against Russia, but also to be deployed against the working class in case of mass demonstrations or a civil war.

Poland plans to expand army due to ‘security concerns’


Poland plans to expand armed forces next year, saying the move is due to security concerns. "We've decided to increase the number of Polish troops. We estimate that next year the army will number around 150,000 men," Polish Defense Minister Antoni Macierewicz said on Friday.

He added that in September Poland will start enrolling volunteers for the paramilitary force, which makes an important part of the new total with about 35,000 forces.


Whether or not an attempt is made to realize the historical, Promethean fantasy of the Intermarium, it looks like the US is encouraging the far-right in Poland ...

A central element of the build-up has been the Obama administration’s European Reassurance Initiative (ERI) and the Readiness Action Plan, which were both announced at the NATO summit in Wales in September 2014. In 2015, US funding for the ERI totaled $985 million. An additional $789.3 million are requested for 2016. For 2017, the Obama administration has requested a quadrupling of ERI spending to $3.4 billion so as to allow for a constant presence of an army brigade in Central and Eastern Europe, as well as additional exercises and positioning of combat equipment.

In a conscious provocation against Russia, the US started Operation Atlantic Resolve in 2014 with enhanced training and security cooperation with Poland, the Baltic States, Romania and Bulgaria. Since then, numerous US military units, among them the Army’s 173 Airborne Brigade, 1 Cavalry Division and 3 Infantry Division, have participated in rotating deployments in Poland where they conducted joint military training and exercises with the Polish armed forces. The US is also planning to pre-position military equipment, including Abrams tanks and infantry, in Baltic and Central European countries, among them Poland.

[T]he PiS-government has significantly stepped up its efforts to coordinate policies with the Visegrad group (Hungary, Slovakia and the Czech Republic), increasingly forming a political bloc of opposition toward the policies of Germany within the EU. Politically, one of the main unifying elements has been the opposition to the refugee policy of Berlin.

On a military level, discussions are underway about a possible joint military brigade between Poland, Lithuania and Ukraine, named LITPOLUKRBRIG, which, according to some analysts, could become the prototype for a joint military unit. In addition, Poland plans to form a Baltic Sea and Black Sea association, allowing countries that are not yet NATO members, like Ukraine and Moldova, to take part.


Interesting, if morbid, reading.

Posted by: jfl | Jun 4 2016 7:22 utc | 30

He still is the greatest.

Robbed of the right to work in his prime because he spoke up against US aggression in Vietnam, he had to resort to the rope-a-dope and a battle of (his own) attrition against his opponent when he could no longer float like a butterfly and sting like a bee. And he couldn't escape the results in his later years.

He was, is, and will remain the greatest, in my book, anyway.

Posted by: jfl | Jun 4 2016 7:35 utc | 31

Re: BRICS - Brazil.

I have a question. Is Dilma Rousseff eligible to stand for the Brazilian Presidency in 2018? Given of course, she hasn't served two consecutive terms as President she would surely be eligible in 2018 would she not?

By the same token, clearly her predecessor Lula Da Silva is obviously eligible in 2018. Could the two compete for the candidacy of the Workers' Party?

Posted by: Jules | Jun 4 2016 7:50 utc | 32

Re: Posted by: james | Jun 4, 2016 1:42:33 AM | 24

October surprise - the more Hillary looks like losing the greater the chance of an October surprise directed against Russia to save her and discredit Trump.

No doubt about it.

US military has spoken about the dangers of Trump have they not?

Posted by: Jules | Jun 4 2016 8:37 utc | 33

I would like to nominate each and every dolt who has mentioned anything regarding U.S. political elections on this thread for the Idiot of the Month award with additional five mentions for Brainless of the Week awards

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jun 4 2016 10:29 utc | 34

Since the U.S. has deployed nuclear cruse missiles there, it is very possible that Russia will simply use conventional bombs to destroy the Deveselu Air Base airport in Deveselu, Romania. Probably with fuel air (thermobaric) bombs.

Posted by: blues | Jun 4 2016 12:16 utc | 35

27

bottom line...
all aspiring genocidist, remember to apply a franchise from murder inc, u'd be fine.

cia trg manual
-------------------
how to convert a 'chicom lover' [part 1]

case study, indonesia 1965
the mother of all ff, aka cia's greatest hit.


*The Indonesian covert action of 1965, reported by Ralph McGehee, who was in that area division, and had documents on his desk, in his custody about that operation. He said that one of the documents concluded that this was a model operation that should be copied elsewhere in the world. Not only did it eliminate the effective communist party (Indonesian communist party), it also eliminated the entire segment of the population that tended to support the communist party - the ethnic Chinese, Indonesian Chinese. And the CIA's report put the number of dead at 800,000 killed. And that was one covert action. We're talking about 1 to 3 million people killed in these things.

Two of these things have led us directly into bloody wars. There was a covert action against China, destabilizing China, for many, many years, with a propaganda campaign to work up a mood, a feeling in this country, of the evils of communist China, and attacking them*

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4068.htm

Posted by: denk | Jun 4 2016 12:38 utc | 36

In an email from the Greens they are asking everyone to vote for bernie in the Calif. primary. Then for them at Show Time Nov.

Posted by: jo6pac | Jun 4 2016 13:42 utc | 37

I love how the clowns say Trump is the threat.The MSM still has sway over weak minds.
Serial liars from hell,but morons still believe what they throw in front of the sheeple.
Trump is the antithesis of these Zionist mole traitors,and from their hysterical ramblings they know it.
Ali;This black man aint gonna go kill the yellow man for whitey.(sic)
He was the Greatest,but unfortunately,he died years ago(Parkinsons),and the MSM made him Uncle Tomish.A travesty,as if he was in his right mind,he would have condemned Obomba.

Posted by: dahoit | Jun 4 2016 14:18 utc | 38

Jjo6pac at 36.

So Stein's pack has joined the "sheepdogs"? ROTFLMAO!

Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 4 2016 14:44 utc | 39

35

cia's trg manual
.........................
how to dispose a puppet who's past his used by date .

case study - indonesia 1998.


in 1965, cia liquidated 'chicom lover' sukarno in a monstrous coup awash with the blood of 3m corpse.
washington installed its man suharto as the next prez.
suharto ruled indonesia with an iron hand, committed more genocides in timor and west papua.
all sanctioned by washington.
thats the privilege of a murkkan franchise, no ngo or congress person would bother u.

as typical of murkkan puppets, suharto's misrule led to rampant corruption, human rights abuses
and massive poverties. by the 90's , the discontent was boiling over, suharto rule was no longer sustainable.
when an asset became a liability, time for another 'regime change' !

1998, cia's man gen prabowo orchestrated mass riots to destablise the suharto regime.
just like in 1965, ethnic chinese were chosen as the scapegoats.

in a matter of weeks, thousands of chinese residents were destroyed.
hundreds of chinese ladies from the preteen to grandmas were brutally gang raped, hideosly mutiliated , then murdered.[1]

elswhere, organised protest, riots created massive chaos, the country was literally paralysed.

then prbowo delivered the coup de grace, he personally told suharto washington wanted him out , whats more, the army also deserted him.
after thirty yrs as uncle sham's puppet, talking back to washington was an alien concept to suharto,
he dutifully stepped down.
----------------------
epilogue
another 'school of america' alumni took over from suharto, everybody lived happily after.

[1]
many victims sought rehab in singapore's hospitals.
medical staffs there were traumatised by the state of mutiliation inflicted on the young girls.
the victims were suicidal, the scars would haunt the rest of their life, nobody would want to marry them.
in fact some wound were so horrendous the girls wouldnt be able to conceive babies .
http://aangirfan.blogspot.sg/2005/03/people-power-cia-connection.html

http://trixieangel.tripod.com/story/story_sadindo.htm

Posted by: denk | Jun 4 2016 14:44 utc | 40

Obama and his family were in Indonesia in 1965. His stepfather admitted killing lots of people. His mother was supposedly doing anthropological research for USAID and the Ford Foundation. The U.S. is known to have handed over kill lists to the Indonesian military. There is a lot that is suspicious about Obama's life as a young adult: nobody in his class at Columbia -- and not even the chairman of his department remembers him, mysterious first job at a firm that looks CIA-connected, mysteriously accelerated political career.

Posted by: lysias | Jun 4 2016 14:45 utc | 41

This continues as discussion of Crimean Tatar nationalism begun on the earlier Open Thread. See nos. 63, 78, 85-6, 89, 93, 110 and 128

Having there discussed the origins and nature of the Tatars and their ill-founded nationalist demands in their hatred and exploitation of the Slavs, we now may turn to its flowering under the fascist invaded of the Soviet Union.

Apologists for the Tatars tend to avoid specifics of the collaboration of the Tatars with the Nazis upon their arrival in Crimea in 1941. This article cited by the International Committee for Crimea on their website, for examples, stress some of the more mundane duties of the military and police auxiliaries that the Germans employed, such as nursing, clerking and driving.

This account, "False Charges of Treason" officially published by the Committee omits any discussion on the details of the collobarion. It works the paper trail, seeking to show that the accepted figure of 20,000 collaborators was falsely equated with the 20,000 Tatar deserters from the Red Army. Otto Pohl argues that the truce figure for collaborators would be the 5,989 arrested by the Soviets immediately after liberating the Crimea (from a population of 197,000). This is insufficient, he feels, to warrant the charge of "mass treasonous collaboration" by the Tatars.

Again, few details on what this collaboration entailed. Even so, admitting to a participation rate of 3.04 pct. is not mass treason behavior, though 10.15 pct. is. Where that numbers is, Pohl doesn't say. Five percent, perhaps?

How many Tatars collaborated? And what was the quality of that work?

Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 4 2016 14:48 utc | 42

further to 41 --

Note the broader context of German hopes for the Islamic population of the Soviet Union. As this essay documents, the Nazis strategists envisioned using assorted Moslem populations in Central Asia to fight against and destroy the Soviet Union. In order to try to woe Turkey into the war, the Germans involved it in propagandizing and organizing, but as the ebb and flow of battle began to favor increasingly the Allies, they kept their participation minimal.

Scott Humor, in perhaps one of the most informative pieces on the Eurovision song victory award to the Ukraine for its paen to the results of collaboration discussed some of the historical background. It is reposted at Russia Insider from the "Vineyard of the Saker" website). He quotes the German commander of the invading forces, von Manstein, as describing the Tatars "very friendly to us."

So friendly that they welcomed them on arrival with relief money for the invaders and officially welcoming them. They were in Jan. 1942 "honored to have the opportunity to fight under the leadership of... the greatest son of the German people… Our names later will be honored along with names of those who advocated the liberation of oppressed peoples.”

As partisan attacks began to immediately began to harass the rear of the entire front, Humor continues, von Manstein authorized the fomation of nin Schutzmannschaft battalions.

Throughout the expanded Reich occupation troops would be augmented by assorted local auxiliaries. The Schuma were under the control of the police, who were responsible for the rear areas, which meant the SS. They worked closely with the Wehrmacht, which approved of the efficacy of their rough methods; I will document those separately directly.

It will not be for the fainthearted.

Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 4 2016 14:50 utc | 43

As Gil Scott-Heron says in B Movie, "As Wall Street goes, so goes the nation. And here's a look at the closing numbers."

The Wiki on Turkic and Crimean collaboration lists three formations, Tataren-Gebirgsjäger-Regiment der SS ("SS Tatar Mountain Regiment"), Waffen-Gruppe Krim, and Schuma battalions. These were armed police, used against partisans in rear ares; they were operated by the SS, not the army.

The Wiki on Waffen-SS foreign volunteers states the Mountain Regiment contained 3,518, and gives the total of 12,000 Turkic fighters in Waffen-SS; the only other formation it gives a figure on is an Azerbaijani regiment of 2,851. The essay on Moslem collaboration cited above reports that the Mountain Regiment was composed of Schuma survivors, making of course for larger number of original collaborators.

To give an order of magnitude, the Wiki on the foreign Waffen-SS gives 45,000 Russian and Ukrainian soldiers in their ranks.

As other Tatars would have provided political, economic, and social services for their new masters, I do not think the figure of 20,000 collaborators unreasonable.

I will document separately the quality of that work. It will not be for the fainthearted.

Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 4 2016 15:02 utc | 44

@42 The white-washing of the Crimean Tartars dovetails with the image of Stalin as monster. Clearly Stalin was a brutal man. It's also clear the Crimean Tartars picked the wrong side.

Posted by: dh | Jun 4 2016 15:09 utc | 45

Graphics day.

Some may like to ponder this graphic.

Swiss info

> point is: Russia is awol, Goldman Sachs and UBS who are often targets for those who bash banks are struggling minor players. The Donald is aware imho!

This slider historical graph of ‘carbon’ emissions shows the economic domination of the US and the rise of China (Russia new entrant. Emissions are directly correlated with economic devp. / GDP / etc.)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/climate-change/global-emissions.html

Global warming for those who missed it, kinda neat:

https://uploads.guim.co.uk/2016/05/10/5_9_16_Andrea_TempSpiralEdHawkins.gif

Other topic. This one shows the no. of complaints to the European Court of Human rights (not that I award them legitimacy, or credit for anything..)

http://www.echr.coe.int/Documents/Stats_pending_2016_BIL.pdf

> point is: The no. of complaints from Ukraine is overwhelming and will have to be dealt with somehow. I’m guessing the Minsk accords serve somehow to put all this on ‘hold.’

Posted by: Noirette | Jun 4 2016 15:14 utc | 46

US Secy of Defense Ashton Carter seems intent on making the dispute over tiny Scarborough Shoal very hot, soon. He even kind of attacked Trump in his Singapore speech:

In an apparent counter to "America-first" policies expounded by prospective Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump, including suggestions that U.S. troops should be withdrawn from Asia, Carter stressed bipartisan support for continued engagement.

Posted by: fairleft | Jun 4 2016 16:10 utc | 47

dh at 43 --

While I take your point about Stalin, I think it mostly has to do with our emerging Berlin-Istanbul-Kiev axis. It brings the collaborationist spawn of the OUP/OUN together with the Kiev-authorized Mejilis>/I> together again with their former patrons. Can't delve into details now, gotta hit the garden, recent rains have put me behind.

Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 4 2016 16:20 utc | 48

Oh that was ugly. Kiev-authorized Mejilis. Always preview....

Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 4 2016 16:23 utc | 49

@46 I see Stalin as a man of his time. As were Hitler and Churchill I suppose.

The Russian annexation of Crimea has definitely changed the equation. It's the reason we're hearing more about the poor downtrodden Tartars.

But there is a lot of history there. For those who like to go way back the Tartar homeland is actually in Mongolia.

Posted by: dh | Jun 4 2016 16:26 utc | 50

@48 And Kiev was the capital of the Kievan-Russ.

Posted by: dh | Jun 4 2016 16:43 utc | 51

Lots of material here on political aspects of the Dalai Lama and Tibetan Buddhism, from a political point of view:

http://www.trimondi.de/EN/links.htm#DALAIL3

The site is clearly polemical, but I think it makes many legitimate points. One of the most interesting things I've learned from this site is that there is an apocalyptic current in Tibetan Buddhism which includes a future war with Islam (and with Semitic religions generally). However, I have not studied Tibetan Buddhism in any depth. (Probably read more than the average schmo, but that's not saying much.)

Posted by: RudyM | Jun 4 2016 16:58 utc | 52

I am generally opposed to mass immigration, so I'm not specifically condemning the Dalai Lama's comments on that, but I think he needs to be viewed as a political figure who has been quite skillful at presenting his image to the west in whatever form is most palatable.

See also this Christian Parenti piece:

http://www.swans.com/library/art9/mparen01.html

Posted by: RudyM | Jun 4 2016 17:02 utc | 53

@32 jules.. i was unaware of what the us military has said about trump. i am not american and don't follow all this.. thanks for your comment..

@33 ftb - ditto that, lol..

Posted by: james | Jun 4 2016 17:03 utc | 54

USS Harry S. Truman launches airstrikes against Islamic State from Mediterranean ...

"The strike marks the first launched by the United States from the Mediterranean since Operation Iraqi Freedom in 2003, as Naval air strikes have typically been launched from carriers in the Persian Gulf."

"Neither Russian nor Syrian officials were notified in advance of the strikes. The Truman and the rest of the fleet traveled through the Suez canal on Thursday."

source - http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2016/06/04/USS-Harry-Truman-launches-airstrike-against-Islamic-State-from-the-Mediterranean-Sea/1351465039639/

Posted by: ALberto | Jun 4 2016 17:08 utc | 55

pat lang just had a post up talking about putin takes the long view... it is now taken down.. not sure if he will put it up again - http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2016/06/putin-takes-the-global-long-view-in-next-moves-in-syria.html

basically it catches my view on putin and the greater game at play here.. first post i have read where i relate well to this ongoing question of what is holding putin back and why russia isn't finishing up the ''moderate'' terrorists..

Posted by: james | Jun 4 2016 17:09 utc | 56

This whole book was quite interesting, but again, the subject matter is so esoteric (in every sense) that I can only really come to tentative views on what is discussed, without immersing myself into Buddhism and Tibetan history far more than I have any interest in doing:

http://www.trimondi.de/SDLE/Contents.htm

Posted by: RudyM | Jun 4 2016 17:24 utc | 57

Growing up in Crimea, at least one of the stories after the war was that when local men organised into volunteer group to oppose the Nazis, they hid into the many caves and mountain hideouts. The local Tatars knew of these hideouts, and some spilled the beans to the occupier. All of the volunteer Slavs were thus killed. A little too many Tatars collaborated with the occupiers during the war. Afterward, the Soviet govt. kicked them out (Central Asia, I believe)- justifiably, IMHO. Tatars came to Crimea after the Mongol invasion - they were invaders; their "claim" to Crimea is tenuous, to say the least.
As for Stalin, he was a complex man during a very complex and violent era. A pussycat would not have survived, nor would Russia. He deserves an analysis that reflect the complexity of the times, and not a knee-jerk condemnation. Plus he won over Trotskyj, which is why some people will always vilify him. But if anyone thinks S. as bad, just try to imagine hat Russia under T. would have been (neocons, anyone...?)

Posted by: GoraDiva | Jun 4 2016 17:24 utc | 58

(I was drawn to Tibetan Buddhism in my teens (blame Allen Ginsberg, mostly), though my investigation didn't go particularly deep, so I have a special interest in anti-apologetic material on that religion.)

Posted by: RudyM | Jun 4 2016 17:27 utc | 59

Regarding #50 #28, #4, #3

If we're going to swallow the Trimondi material we'd better have the antidote to those poisons also:

Tibetan Buddhism :: Struggling With Diffi·Cult Issues
Controversy: New Kadampa Tradition, Dorje Shugden, Sogyal, Tsem, Nydahl :: Tibet & Dalai Lama :: More

I am a western Buddhist and my teachers have largely been Tibetans, from the diaspora of the Chinese invasion and occupation. I apologize to the thread that I don't have time or perhaps, actually, strength right now to offer some thoughts about Dalai Lama, CIA, etc.

I would briefly point out that the whole world believed the righteousness of the US for a long time. It's been the propaganda coup of all time. When a Tibetan man and leader sees his nation invaded and occupied, and leads many of his followers in flight, perhaps it's natural to ally with the US. This may make one a dupe, but I hope not a puppet or an asset.

I doubt that the Dalai Lama is even aware of any of the things we discuss here daily. The subterfuge of the covert machinery of the US has been astonishingly deft in its relationships with genuinely concerned and compassionate people. Color revolutions would not work if the agencies were not first able to come across as so damned kind and concerned - before they send the snipers in.

The balance to be amazed at, I suggest, is not in a putative mix of compassion and asshole in the Dalai Lama - whom none of us knows as a person, but apparently Tutu did and praised him as such - but in the balance of the CIA in fooling some of the most perceptive, if idealist, people of a nation, prior to unwrapping the Trojan horse and unleashing hell.

That's a balance that still shocks me every day I contemplate it, and one that I'm still trying to understand.

Posted by: Grieved | Jun 4 2016 17:36 utc | 60

dh at 48-9

And a branch of the Kievan house of Rurik ruled as the Moscow prince and later Tsar until the late 1500's.

Just another modern cult of personality. Let's add The Donald to the list. "I know your anger, I know your dreams."

Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 4 2016 17:40 utc | 61

@jo6pac | Jun 4, 2016 9:42:18 AM | 36

In an email from the Greens they are asking everyone to vote for bernie in the Calif. primary. Then for them at Show Time Nov.

Are you sure from Green and/or Jill Stein, not fake? I didn't receive anything from them after donating, except receipt thanking me for the small donation. Just minutes ago received a call from

We are California - http://www.wearecalifornia.org/june2016

The above website didn't tell much, still searching. Need to know exactly who I'm voting for or against and County, Local Initiative etc.

Please share what you know. Thanks

Posted by: Jack Smith | Jun 4 2016 17:41 utc | 62

the Dalai Lama - whom none of us knows as a person

So is there something wrong with passing judgment or even just forming opinions about a public figure?

Posted by: RudyM | Jun 4 2016 18:14 utc | 63

to Dalai Lama lover:

He's a western-backed idiot, a pastor, a religious dictator, an intrigant against China.

Posted by: From The Hague | Jun 4 2016 18:30 utc | 64

@61 I think a lot of Western thinking towards Tibet....and Buddhism in general has to do with a vague belief in some kind of Shangri-La where monks spin prayer wheels all day. Tibet was never that. In fact it seems to have been a rather nasty feudal state. Anybody who knows Thailand will tell you how materialistic Buddhists can be.

As you say in #51 the Dalai Lama is quite skillful at presenting his image to the West. Presumably he sees China as the biggest threat to Tibet's cultural survival.

Posted by: dh | Jun 4 2016 18:32 utc | 65

@62 intrigant is dutch , sorry
english: instigator, agitator, conspirator, intriguer, plotter, trouble maker, discord sower

Posted by: From The Hague | Jun 4 2016 18:34 utc | 66

I don't think it's possible to fix our problems, here on earth.

It was difficult to fix our problems when 3 billion short-sighted, self-centered humans populated the earth. With 7 billion short-sighted, self-centered humans, there's "no freaking way". Aldous Huxley anticipated this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=alasBxZsb40#t=69

Ali (implicitly, in the first half of this video) and Bill Burr both explain how little discretionary time people actually have to themselves (to do things like "think"):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsDH9SXKZtI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc3HiKQDPCQ#t=259

So, the odds are stacked against the masses digging out from the mountain of ignorance under which they exist. They're destined to be led by whoever manipulates them most adroitly.

At one point, I considered "sea-steading". But, setting aside all the technical issues, I doubt the world's extortion rackets would let one apple cart remain independent. (Why isn't the Melian Dialogue taught in K-12??) In short, there's no "democratic" solution to be found here on earth.

So, shouldn't us MoA-types devote our discretionary time to work on our own S.S. Botany Bay?

We better start construction soon:
"The Most IMPORTANT Video You'll Ever See" -- a class lecture
Part 1 of 8 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5iFESMAU58
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-06-13/early-death-assured-in-india-where-900-million-go-hungry.html

Posted by: dumbass | Jun 4 2016 18:43 utc | 67

Moldova Is Rattled as Washington Welcomes a Feared Tycoon

CHISINAU, Moldova — In past campaigns in Moldova, an impoverished nation tugged between East and West, the most zealously pro-Russian political party foraged for votes by displaying photographs of its leader meeting in the Kremlin with President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia.

These days, however, it is a different photograph that is rallying support for Moscow’s allies in Europe’s poorest country: It shows a United States assistant secretary of state, Victoria J. Nuland, standing shoulder-to-shoulder in Washington with Vlad Plahotniuc, Moldova’s most-feared figure, a nominally pro-Western tycoon with a reputation so toxic that even his political friends usually try to keep their distance in public.

Posted by: Frank | Jun 4 2016 18:55 utc | 68

Check out this graphic:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-04/visualizing-americas-dominance-military-spending

and notice that Australia, Japan, KSA, Israel, Colombia, and Korea aren't but should be counted towards Oceania totals.

Posted by: dumbass | Jun 4 2016 19:10 utc | 69

james #24, Jules #32, blues #34

During the Cold War through the 60’s to 80’s, I never felt the trepidation I do right now. There were always a few saner and level headed officials who’s influence and intelligence was respected, and in retrospect, heeded enough to save us from the dreaded US vs USSR nuclear confrontation. It seems that, at least in the political realm today, most have their heads far enough up their asses regarding Russia’s resolve and capability to protect herself, that they could rely on their programed mythos of American exceptionalism and pull some dumb enough maneuver to embroil the world in a lethal scenario.

For those interested enough to educate themselves in this regard I’d recommend these three articles as a starting point:

Dances with Bears-Helmer

A Russian Warning-Orlov

How Russia is preparing for WWIII-the Saker

Tip of the Hat to those on MoA who have priorly referenced these articles for me. I would be interested in further references.

b, this is of such dire consequences that I believe the subject should be headlined.

Posted by: juannie | Jun 4 2016 19:20 utc | 70

I just finished skimming through Richard Charnin's book Matrix of Deceit, about fraudulent elections in the U.S. and exit polling. One of Charnin’s most striking pieces of evidence that elections in the U.S. are fraudulent is this. Through 2008 exit pollsters always asked those they questioned who they had voted for in the previous presidential election. Exit pollsters have always adjusted their poll results with the reported results of elections by weighting some of the answers they get more heavily than others. In this way, a 52-48 result favoring Kerry in 2004 in the raw data can be adjusted to yield 52-48 in favor of Bush. But that means the results for the subsidiary questions they ask are also “adjusted”, on the assumption that certain segments of the population were more heavily represented in the population of actual voters than they were in the population of those who were polled. For the 2004 presidential election, this adjustment resulted in the extremely anomalous result that 110% of those who voted for Bush in the 2000 election also voted for him in 2004. This is doubly impossible, not only because it is more than 100%, but also because about 5% of the voters for Bush in 2000 would have died in the intervening four years. For earlier elections, there were similarly anomalous results, especially regarding the question on who they had voted for four years earlier.

So what did the pollsters do in response? They eliminated the question about who people had voted for four years earlier. And presumably the question will be missing from now on.

Posted by: lysias | Jun 4 2016 19:29 utc | 71

1998, cia's man gen prabowo orchestrated mass riots to destablise the suharto regime.

And suddenly the New York Times and other mainstream sources were full of negative accounts of Suharto. I remember. I was on again/off again active (marginally) in ETAN, addressing the East Timor issue in the mid-to-late 90s, so I was especially primed to notice all of this.

Posted by: RudyM | Jun 4 2016 20:25 utc | 72

@70 juannie

Thanks for the links. I had read the Saker and Orlov pieces, but not Helmer yet, and I just did - great overview from him. Helmer spells it out: in Putin's own warnings, the red line was crossed in 2014 in Ukraine, and the need for a defensive strike against the NATO missile emplacements in October has just now been announced, from Greece.

As Orlov, the Saker and others are saying, MAD - mutual assured destruction - has disappeared from the international consensus. The question now is what will it take to restore MAD? Will Russia's defensive strikes escalate the truly mad in Washington, or will the balance of tensions be restored, to allow peace?

Suddenly I have an intimate sense of Putin's visit to Athos. He went there to pray. To calm his soul before the coming challenges of real war. It will be a hot summer.

Posted by: Grieved | Jun 4 2016 20:49 utc | 73

@70 juannie / @ 73 grieved..

thanks.. yes - those links with overview are all good.. others have posted them, but it bears repeating! b has a new post up with continues on in the same vein i do believe.. haven't read it yet!

Posted by: james | Jun 4 2016 22:18 utc | 74

@46, noirette

Got the first and the last, the first is very educational, but the two in the middle are unreachable. Number two is adobe flash, and I just can't have that on my machine, and number three just looks is just three red concentric circles on a black background surrounded by month names with a title invoking years, even after I enabled javascript. None of this is your fault, certainly, and the first one is very enlightening. So thanks!

Posted by: jfl | Jun 4 2016 22:23 utc | 75

@75, @46 noirette

OK, number three is an animated gif and I had them turned off. Pretty impressive. 2016 especially, eh? Accords with personal experience here in Thailand. Thanks!

Posted by: jfl | Jun 4 2016 22:47 utc | 76

@46 noirette

The same data from your number three in a spiral, rather than flat, with its purplish bottom around a 1 degree C rise in global temperature in the 1850s and it's rapidly widening yellow top in the 2000s, with 2016 looking to cross 1.5 degrees C. Now I can turn off the winking-blinking, driving-to-distraction animated gifs again :) Thanks, again.

Posted by: jfl | Jun 4 2016 23:01 utc | 77

@53, RudyM,

That's Micheal, not Christian Parenti. Good article.

#60 Grieved

I found, and find, Buddhism attractive as a 'religion' without a god. But civil religions of any and all sorts are doomed to be used by the same old crew ... "Religions have had a close relationship not only to violence but to economic exploitation." as Michael Parenti puts it. That's civil religions, not the transcendental visions of their founders and followers.

Thailand is a 'Buddhist country' and it's now being torn between the 'Prosperity Buddhists' of the Dhammakaya sect and the fascists following 'Phra Issara' and the Military dictatorship. In addition to the fakers at the 'Tiger temple' and the amulet trade. But the basic tenets of Buddha himself are embedded in the character of the Thais themselves, at least the 'country people'. There are many decent Buddhists, Christians, Muslims and Jews spread around the world, its the civil religions that cause and magnify all the trouble. So says I at any rate.

Posted by: jfl | Jun 4 2016 23:30 utc | 78

...
The subterfuge of the covert machinery of the US has been astonishingly deft in its relationships with genuinely concerned and compassionate people. Color revolutions would not work if the agencies were not first able to come across as so damned kind and concerned - before they send the snipers in.

The balance to be amazed at, I suggest, is not in a putative mix of compassion and asshole in the Dalai Lama - whom none of us knows as a person, but apparently Tutu did and praised him as such - but in the balance of the CIA in fooling some of the most perceptive, if idealist, people of a nation, prior to unwrapping the Trojan horse and unleashing hell.

That's a balance that still shocks me every day I contemplate it, and one that I'm still trying to understand.
Posted by: Grieved | Jun 4, 2016 1:36:51 PM | 60

Spot on!
The only thing missing is a reference to the likelihood that the CIA has also been tasked with responsibility for dumbing down ordinary AmeriKKKans and smearing and framing 'undesirable' AmeriKKKans. The Insular Idiocy & Ignorance of AmeriKKKans is appallingly neocon-ish. It would be interesting to discover what % of CIA employees harbor "Israeli" loyalties?
My guess would be many, many, many multiples of "fewer than 1%."

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 4 2016 23:58 utc | 79

@79 hoarse

I think the loyalty of the nihilist CIA 'employees' is to The Company, exclusively. To the extent that they have any loyalty at all beyond that to 'number one'.

Posted by: jfl | Jun 5 2016 0:08 utc | 80

jfl,

I like your term "civil religions". If only we could separate the useful myth from current reality.

I think the MoA commetariat is a bit optimistic to think that the world is waking up to the latest empire, and if awakened will do anything "intelligent" about care and feeding of the species.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 5 2016 0:21 utc | 81

>> the MoA commetariat is a bit optimistic

Hey, psycho, did you read my bit of doom @ 67? Of course, I speak for only one person here. But, as you can see, I'm ready to rain on some parades. ;-)

Posted by: dumbass | Jun 5 2016 1:26 utc | 82

I think the loyalty of the nihilist CIA 'employees' is to The Company, exclusively. To the extent that they have any loyalty at all beyond that to 'number one'.
Posted by: jfl | Jun 4, 2016 8:08:34 PM | 80

Let's not quibble over what name to give the phenomenon Grieved was contemplating.
My thesis is that there are entities in the US (and elsewhere in White World) whose job it is to make 99% of the people on the planet, who aren't being treated like Palestinians right now, to nevertheless FEEL like Palestinians (insignificant and powerless). French Citizens seem to be saying Enough Is Enough.

French Revolution 2.0 (if it gets off the ground - which it seems to be doing) will, like Revolution 1.0, be against Enemies of The People - and will spread beyond France if it is successful.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 5 2016 1:37 utc | 83

@83, hoarse

You're right, it was a throw-away quip. I hope you're right on the French. It would be great to see Valls and Hollande bite the dust ... and to see what the 'kinder gentler' right has in store for us? That seems to be the only alternative surfacing wherever we look.

Maybe the French will surprise us. In the short term, I don't see how the Americans, or the Australians, can.

Posted by: jfl | Jun 5 2016 1:46 utc | 84

Hoarsewhisperer & jfl

While the French revolution 2.0 may spread to some other countries, American have been inculcated to do the opposite of the French...i.e. Freedom Fries Not that I wouldn't like to see some life from the American disadvantaged.

What would French Revolution 2.0 do with private finance? That is my qualifier of support for any movement.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 5 2016 1:57 utc | 85

Grieved #73,

Suddenly I have an intimate sense of Putin's visit to Athos. He went there to pray. To calm his soul before the coming challenges of real war.

I am not at all religious even though, perhaps because I was brought up the son of an Anglican/Episcopalian minister. But I consider myself deeply spiritual, even though I matured in the throes of an engineering and Randian ethos. However, I honor and respect those of deep conviction and faith who sincerely dive to the depths of their soul to try to find solutions to worldly delima. Putin’s visit to Athos strongly reinforces my conviction that he is truly a great and righteous statesman and leader. Lets hope his statesmanship and leadership can find a way to get us through the nefarious and psychopathic folly of the western idiots.

Posted by: juannie | Jun 5 2016 2:14 utc | 86

Californian please read - No Party Preference (NNP) Voter Option

If you are registered No Party Preference (NNP) on June 6th make sure you get Democratic Crossover ballot from poll workers, otherwise your vote will be place on provisional ballot and will not be counted.

Newly-trained California poll worker speaks out about how she was trained to suppress "No Party Preference" (NPP) voters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o800P2MyWSw&feature=youtu.be

http://www.acgov.org/rov/crossoverfaq.htm

Thanks

Posted by: Jack Smith | Jun 5 2016 9:11 utc | 87

Posted by: Jack Smith | Jun 5, 2016 5:11:28 AM | 87

In your opinion, why is a non-US Election thread a better place to ventilate your panic-stricken confusion over the US Elections than the adjacent, designated, DEDICATED, US Election thread?
It's a serious question. Is there a serious answer?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 5 2016 11:14 utc | 88

@ Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 5, 2016 7:14:42 AM | 88

These brainless Duhmerican twits seem driven to self nominate for the aforementioned awards. No challenge is beneath their competitive drive to dominate any endeavour no matter how revealing of their character it may be.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jun 5 2016 11:29 utc | 89

addendum to @ 89

Duhmerica is that space between Canada America and Mexico America.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jun 5 2016 11:32 utc | 90

Another serious question needing asking is: If there was anything remarkable in that space between Canada America and Mexico America, why is most of it considered fly-over territory?

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jun 5 2016 11:40 utc | 91

I am not at all religious even though, perhaps because I was brought up the son of an Anglican/Episcopalian minister.

And I happen to be the son of a Methodist minister.

Posted by: RudyM | Jun 5 2016 13:42 utc | 92

I had seen several of William R Polk's articles on the Middle East previously, linked to from consortiumnews.com, and was impressed by the man's knowledge of the area. He was associated with - worked in - the Kennedy administration, and left at the beginning of Johnson's after Kennedy's murder. He is a 'Camelot' partisan, but he is also a very well-informed man. I just finished Understanding IRAN, having read Understanding IRAQ a week or two ago. He does focus the 'blame' on Republicrats and skip over Demoblicans' but his distortions are fairly transparent, easily seen through, and he delivers plenty of facts. A footnote from Chapter Four, FROM POLITICAL REVOLUTION THROUGH SOCIAL REVOLUTION TO VIOLENT REVOLUTION :


[43] Corruption was on a monumental scale. The Shah used the Pahlavi Foundation as a funnel through which funds provided by various government departments were passed to family members, selected government officials, and even American officials. As Fred J. Cook documented (“The Billion-Dollar Mystery,” The Nation [April 12, 1965]), on the basis of court and bank records and both Senate and congressional committee hearings, in the one year of 1962,

  “some $159 million in American aid funds and Iran oil royalties (those royalties supposed to have been used to supplement American aid) had been deposited in the numbered bank account of the Pahlavi Foundation in Switzerland.”

Not only Iranians were beneficiaries. Mr. Cook lists American officials and prominent Americans whose favor was thought to be valuable who received checks from the foundation for $1 million each. He also furnishes a copy of the Union de Banques Suisses statement for the Pahlavi Foundation that lists Loy Henderson (American ambassador to Iran during the coup against Mossadegh), Selden Chapin (Henderson’s successor as ambassador from 1954 to 1958), and George V. Allen (who was Assistant Secretary of State for the Near East at the same time). Each is listed as having received $1 million.


Not unlike the Israeli laundering of US 'foreign aid' funds, before it is returned to Americans in Congress and elsewhere 'whose favor is thought to be valuable'. No pretense of 'campaign contributions' in the good ole days. US Ambassadors on the take. $1 million 1962 ~ $8 million 2016. The two books are quite an education on the Middle East, at least for this ignorant American.

There's much more of value in the text itself, a very good socio-historical treatment of each country before the death and devastation, destruction and deceit dished out primarily by the Bush regime. The books were written in 2005 (Iraq) and 2009 (Iran) respectively, before the Nobel Peace Prize Laureate showed us all the DDD&D that he was/is capable of.

Posted by: jfl | Jun 5 2016 13:48 utc | 93

To top off mine, Rudy, I spent my last two years of high school boarding in a Methodist seminary. It helped hone my skills of deceit in avoidance of punishment. It would be an interesting research project to determine the percentage of PK's who matured into radicals. :-)

Posted by: juannie | Jun 5 2016 14:05 utc | 94

62;No,intrigant is in the Merriam Webster college Dictionary;those who intrigue.
Ding;I finally figured out TPP.
Cohen at the lying times says we must pass it to hurt China.
So its really to make our goods produced in other third world nations,as China is now the first world nation,an unseen event from neolibcon morons.
Capcom scares the shite out of them.

Posted by: dahoit | Jun 5 2016 14:23 utc | 95

Thread Nazis:Clinton wins the Virgin Islands with 84% of the vote.Damn,they are antisemites there too.
WTF is the matter with black voters?Ignorance writ large?

Posted by: dahoit | Jun 5 2016 14:25 utc | 96

Open thread;No mention of no political views?
As the upcoming US election might be the most important re the world and the future going,why the hostility?
I guess Australian politics are so bad they aren't worth mentioning?

Posted by: dahoit | Jun 5 2016 14:35 utc | 97

jfl and others, I just rechecked the links I posted and they work fine for me. I should warn if there is an animation, right.

About global warming (the gif) a super irony. One of the Swiss Fed. Councillors (after the climate conference in Paris) went someplace to sign the final agreement to keep GW under 2C. Sadly, her signature can’t be considered a back-dated promise that remained unfulfilled so imho is invalid. As CH is already well above, at 2.2, and that is as compared to a base line of 1960 (or 1961) - 1990 (vs. say 1850 - 1950 - always check the base-line)!

Posted by: Noirette | Jun 5 2016 14:42 utc | 98

French Revolution 2.0, if it gets off the ground - Hoarse.

I doubt it. Not this time round anyway. Because:

1) The F opposition is divided.

a) One part is very like Occupy in the US - Nuit Debout. Young people, students, intellectuals, discussions about all and everything, etc.

b) Labor (Unions etc.) with ‘actions’, strikes and so on.

c) The National Front, which, while making some OK statements, has not taken sides, or recommended anything. They are right-wing after all and can’t possibly hold hands with Unions or the “radical Socialists” who are feebly, and probably falsely, against Hollande, as the FN condemns the whole lot of them.

d) Marginal pols/parties that are completely excluded from public space. For. ex. Asselineau, Popular Republican Union.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/François_Asselineau

e) Last is a motley crew, potentially quite powerful, but vilified and hounded: followers of the likes of Alain Soral and Dieudonné, both of whom are repressed viciously with court-cases, fines, worse, etc. They in a sense ‘represent’ part of the under-class (…> colonialism), and from the Soral side with a strong ‘reconcilation’ message. But they have no political structure in place. They are branded anti-Semites, conspiracy theorists, a danger to society, nutters who aren’t respectable, terrorist apologists, supporting Islam, etc.

None of these factions are talking to each other.

2) Similar opposition has been frequent, and each time the Gvmt. ‘makes some concessions’, crushes the oppo’ and year by year neo-liberal economic policies gain apace.

3) The media are Gvmt./ Oligarch / Bankster owned and are now denoucing anybody who prevents France from becoming ‘modern’, hindering ‘trade’, ‘advancement’, etc.

Posted by: Noirette | Jun 5 2016 14:59 utc | 99

cia trg manual
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building a cordon sanitaire around china,

case study - indonesia 2001

*U.S. Secretary Of State Condoleeza Rice’s recent visit to Jakarta was the concluding act in the Bush administration’s five-year drive to whitewash the Indonesian military’s sordid past, green light Indonesia’s occupation of West Papua, and forge another link in Washington’s plan to ring China with U.S. military bases and allies.*
..............
to further its pathological policy on china, washington perpetrated a genocide in 1965, a pogrom
in 1998. this time around it'd let the murderers of murkkans off the hook, fingered dozens of innocent bystanders for the crime just to get jakarta onboard .

*Attorney General John Asscroft and the FBI soon rode to Wolfowitz and Rice’s rescue, indicting self-described OPM “commander” Anth onius Wamang for the attack, even though the OPM says Wamang works for Kopassus. This past January, the FBI helped arrest Wamang and 11 other civilians, including a priest, a teenager and several farmers, for the murders.

The arrests allowed the Bush adm inistration to declare Indonesia a “strategic partner,” and waive congressional restrictions on military aid. The latter will increase six-fold by 2007. Meanwhile, the TNI has poured troops and police into West Papua to crush demonstrations against Freepo rt and smother growing sentiment for an independent West Papua* [1]
...........................

moral of the story,
to persue its goals, washington would let nothing gets in the way, not chinese,not russians, not even murkkans ! [2]


[1]
http://tinyurl.com/hjktc2x

[2]
What Is One To Think Of A Government Siding With Dictators Against Its Own Citizens?

http://www.csmonitor.com/2000/0225/p11s1.html

Posted by: denk | Jun 5 2016 15:24 utc | 100

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