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June 17, 2016
Know-Nothing “Diplomats” Prepare For Hillary’s War On Syria

There are at least 51 stupid or dishonest "diplomats" working in the U.S. State Department. Also – Mark Lander is a stupid or dishonest NYT writer. The result is this piece: Dozens of U.S. Diplomats, in Memo, Urge Strikes Against Syria’s Assad

WASHINGTON — More than 50 State Department diplomats have signed an internal memo sharply critical of the Obama administration’s policy in Syria, urging the United States to carry out military strikes against the government of President Bashar al-Assad to stop its persistent violations of a cease-fire in the country’s five-year-old civil war.

Note that it was Ahrar al Sham, Jabhat al-Nusra and other U.S. paid and supported "moderates" who on April 9 broke the ceasefire in Syria by attacking government troops south of Aleppo. They have since continuously bombarded the government held parts of Aleppo which house over 1.5 million civilians with improvised artillery.

Back to the piece:

The memo, a draft of which was provided to The New York Times by a State Department official, says American policy has been “overwhelmed” by the unrelenting violence in Syria. It calls for “a judicious use of stand-off and air weapons, which would undergird and drive a more focused and hard-nosed U.S.-led diplomatic process.”

The names on the memo are almost all midlevel officials — many of them career diplomats — who have been involved in the administration’s Syria policy over the last five years, at home or abroad. They range from a Syria desk officer in the Bureau of Near Eastern Affairs to a former deputy to the American ambassador in Damascus.

While there are no widely recognized names, higher-level State Department officials are known to share their concerns. Mr. Kerry himself has pushed for stronger American action against Syria, in part to force a diplomatic solution on Mr. Assad.

The State Department officials insisted in their memo that they were not “advocating for a slippery slope that ends in a military confrontation with Russia,” but rather a credible threat of military action to keep Mr. Assad in line.

These State Department loons have their ass covered by Secretary of State Kerry. Otherwise they would (and should) be fired for obvious ignorance. What "judicious" military threat against Russian S-400 air defense in Syria is credible? Nukes on Moscow (and New York)?

In the memo, the State Department officials argued that military action against Mr. Assad would help the fight against the Islamic State because it would bolster moderate Sunnis, who are necessary allies against the group, also known as ISIS or ISIL.

Would these "diplomats" be able to name even one group of "moderate Sunnis" in Syria that is not on the side of the Syrian government? Are Ahrar al-Sahm and the other U.S. supported groups, who recently killed 50 civilians out of purely sectarian motives when they stormed the town of Zara, such "moderate Sunnis"?

These 50 State Department non-diplomats, and the stinking fish head above them, have obviously failed in their duty:

  • "Diplomats" urging military action do nothing but confirm that they do not know their job which is diplomacy, not bombing. They failed.
  • These "diplomats" do not know or do not want to follow international law. On what legal basis would the U.S. bomb the Syrian government and its people? They do not name any. There is none.
  • To what purpose would the Syrian government and the millions of its followers be bombed? Who but al-Qaeda would follow if the Assad-led government falls? The "diplomats" ignore that obvious question.

The NYT writer of the piece on the memo demonstrates that he is just as stupid or dishonest as the State Department dupes by adding this paragraph:

[T]he memo mainly confirms what has been clear for some time: The State Department’s rank and file have chafed at the White House’s refusal to be drawn into the conflict in Syria.

How is spending over $1 billion a year to hire, train, arm and support "moderate rebels" against the Syrian government consistent with the claim of a U.S. "refusal to be drawn into the conflict"?

It is obvious and widely documented that the U.S. has been fueling the conflict from the very beginning throughout five years and continues up to today to deliver thousands of tons of weapons to the "moderate rebels".

All the above, the "diplomats" letter and the NYT writer lying, is in preparation of an open U.S. war on Syria under a possible president Hillary Clinton. (Jo Cox, the "humanitarian" British MP who was murdered yesterday by some neo-nazi, spoke in support of such a crime.)

The U.S. military continues to reject an escalation against the Syrian government. Its reasonable question "what follows after Assad" has never been seriously answered by the war supporters in the CIA and the State Department.

Unexpected support of the U.S. military's position now seems to come from the Turkish side. The Erdogan regime finally acknowledges that a Syria under Assad is more convenient to it than a Kurdish state in north-Syria which the U.S. is currently helping to establish:

"Assad is, at the end of the day, a killer. He is torturing his own people. We're not going to change our stance on that," a senior official from the ruling AK Party told Reuters, requesting anonymity so as to speak more freely.

"But he does not support Kurdish autonomy. We may not like each other, but on that we're backing the same policy," he said.

Ankara fears that territorial gains by Kurdish YPG fighters in northern Syria will fuel an insurgency by the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK), which has waged an armed struggle in Turkey's southeast for three decades.

The Turks have suddenly removed their support for their "Turkmen" proxies fighting the Syrian government in Latakia in north west Syria. Over the last few days the "Turkmen" retreated and the Syrian army advanced. It may soon reach the Turkish border. Should the Latakia front calm down the Syrian army will be able to move several thousand troops from Latakia towards other critical sectors. The Turkish government, under the new Prime Minister Binali Yildirim, is now also sending peace signals towards Russia.

The situation in Syria could rapidly change in favor of the Syrian government should Turkey change its bifurcating policies and continue these moves. Without their Turkish bases and support the "moderate rebels" would soon be out of supplies and would lack the ability to continue their fighting. The Russians and their allies should further emphasize the "Kurdish threat" to advance this  Turkish change of mind.

The race to preempt a Hillary administration war on Syria, which the "diplomats" memo prepares for, is now on. May the not-warmongering side win.

Comments

@ Posted by: harrylaw | Jun 18, 2016 5:40:21 AM | 88
It’s hard to be believe the Saudis can still be so ham-fisted and obliviously cluelessly self-defeating as to overplay their hand in this way … a ringing Saudi endorsement of the opinions of a dissenting cadre of low level diplomats … idiotic and embarrassing when the House of Representatives just approved their briefly delayed next-shipment of arms
intercept: Worried About “Stigmatizing” Cluster Bombs, House Approves More Sales to Saudi Arabia
obviously ceasing manufacture is off-the-table.

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Jun 18 2016 14:02 utc | 101

Rebel US diplomats won’t be heard on Syria, ex-ambassador Ford says
Nobody seems to be taking seriously that scoop.

Posted by: virgile | Jun 18 2016 14:05 utc | 102

Have the dissents been bribed/briefed by Saudi Arabia when MBS was been snubbed by Obama on June 14? A coincidence?
After U.S. Arrival, Saudi Prince Remains Off White House Schedule

Posted by: virgile | Jun 18 2016 14:12 utc | 103

The release of the redacted 28 pages has almost completely fallen off the radar … except this
CNN: CIA chief: Missing report pages exonerate Saudi Arabia in 9/11 attacks
The clamor about the people’s right to know is very small, almost imperceptible … much to the relief of the Saudis and the USG (tedious to make good on threats to divest and/or move one’s money to some new home).
Hysteria over what the FBI missed wrt Omar Mateen appears to be fueling a citizen’s demand for more surveillance … The US angers it allies and are outraged when they make-nice with Putin and/or China and other “nonaligned”

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Jun 18 2016 14:58 utc | 104

@virgile … from your link at France24
Q.: Was it directed to Hillary Clinton, too? Can this affect the presidential campaign in any way?
Amb. Ford:
No. Hillary Clinton already said publicly that more needs to be done in Syria. She has already shown her difference with Barack Obama. The memo should not have a big effect on the campaign.
Hillary Clinton and Amb. Robert S. Ford have a lot in common … rejected by the Egyptian people in July 2012

Clinton’s calls fall flat in Egypt political fight
… Protesters chanting against the U.S. — sometimes reaching several hundred — sprung up at several sites Clinton visited this weekend. On Sunday, protesters threw tomatoes, water bottles and shoes at her motorcade as she left a ceremony marking the opening of a new U.S. consulate in the Mediterranean city of Alexandria.
The U.S is looking to safeguard its interests in the region — from counterterrorism cooperation to Arab-Israeli peace efforts. But the deepening paralysis and lack of clarity over the leadership in Egypt has put much of its agenda on hold. Clinton headed Sunday evening to Jerusalem, where she is tackling another realm where Washington’s influence has failed to bring a breakthrough, reviving Israeli-Palestinian negotiations.
‘Monica, Monica’ chants taunt Clinton in Egypt

Even before a formal nomination by John Kerry, the Egyptian people will have none of it – # NotoRobertford.

  • Robert S. Ford, former US Ambassador to Syria and previous tenure as assistent to Negroponte
    In Baghdad in 2005 … death squads and the Salvador Option .
  • Robert S. Ford Political Counselor to the U.S. Embassy Baghdad (2004-2006)
  • Posted by: Oui | Jun 18 2016 15:13 utc | 105

    Here is a link to the supposed Memo forgive me, White Paper, – https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/2866467/State-Dept-Dissent-Memo.pdf
    Still not buying it…

    Posted by: h | Jun 18 2016 15:20 utc | 106

    Re: Posted by: h | Jun 18, 2016 11:20:41 AM | 106
    Who is this Asad they talk about in the memo?
    I notice there is ZERO mention of Assad.

    Posted by: Jules | Jun 18 2016 17:32 utc | 107

    This story is an announcement from the Military-Industrial Complex that, while Obama/Kerry have been somewhat less aggressive than they’d want that all that will be changed come Hillary’s coronation. It’s essentially a proclamation of war six months early. That way all Americans who vote for Clinton will have to justify their vote for her by supporting the war for empire that was proclaimed before they did. It’s a means to build consensus prior to war. No need to lie about bin Laden in a cave or weapons of mass destruction hidden somewhere in Iraq.
    It won’t last forever, but a lot of “liberal” voters will have to embrace their decision to vote for Clinton, which will mean that the pendulum of American politics will swing back farther to the right after the mess she spreads, without an orange-haired clown to scare them.

    Posted by: Bob In Portland | Jun 18 2016 17:56 utc | 108

    Fixed it:
    Subject: (U) Dissident Channel: U.S. Foreign Policy
    1. (U) The following is a dissident channel message from U.S. citizens to the Administration, Congress and agents of foreign governments that have usurped the U.S. government (Collectively, ‘the regime’).
    2. (SBU) We are U.S. citizens who have been the unfortunate witnesses to U.S. government involvement in the Syrian crisis in various immoral and illegal capacities for the last five years. Despite the will of the people insisting on a deescalation of violence and forging ahead with a political process, we believe that achieving our objectives will continue to elude us if we do not include the use of military force as an option to enforce the U.S. Constitution and compel the U.S. government to abide by its terms as well as negotiate a political solution in Syria in good faith and without using coup attempts or terrorists to further the U.S. neocon agenda. The State Department and CIA’s systematic human rights violations against the Syrian people, in collusion with Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Israel, are the root cause of the instability that continue to grip Syria and the broader region. None of us sees, or has seen, merit in a violent overthrow of the U.S. government or the rest of Team Chaos. But we do see merit in a more militarily assertive U.S. citizens role in fixing our usurped government, based on the judicious use of stand-off and air weapons, which would undergrid and drive a more focused and hardnosed citizen-led diplomatic process, leveraging the principles of our Constitution and founding documents, to: end the wholesale slaughter of Syrian citizens and egregious violations of Syrian sovereignty, cajole the competing crony politicians. MIC oligarchies and agents of foreign powers in the U.S. government to make necessary compromises at the negotiation table, bolster U.S. citizens role in purging neocon U.S. government usurpers and dual-citizen traitors, and bring an end to the broader international instability the corruption generates.
    3. (SBU) Initiating targeted military strikes in response to egregious State Department violations of the U.S. Constitution would raise the cost for neocon defiance and bolster the prospects for a real representative democracy in the U.S. — without Congress being sent to the Hauge and State Department bureaucrats being fed into wood-chippers — and lead to a more serious democratic process, led by new, legitimate representatives of U.S. citizens. A reinvigorated regard for the U.S. Constitution would help the political process to mature as we press for the formation of a transitional government body in the U.S. with full executive powers that can end support for foreign and domestic terrorist armies, and start to rebuild Syria and Syrian society and end the suffering of its people, with significant assistance from Russia, Iran and the international community. With the repeated Constitutional violations of the past five years, together with Congress, the State Department and Intelligence Agencies cynical and destabilizing erosion of U.S. citizens’ basic rights to bolster the agenda of a neocon-infested U.S. regime, we believe that the foundations are not currently in place for an enduring democracy and legitimate representative U.S. government.
    SENSITIVE BUT UNCLASSIFIED
    Note: I couldn’t handle any more – my eyes are bleeding. The original memo is the epitome of absolutely horrible bureaucratic writing. Don’t State Department employees have to have some basic communication skills to do their jobs? They should be sacked just for PRODUCING such a piece of mindless, tedious garbage.

    Posted by: PavewayIV | Jun 18 2016 18:05 utc | 109

    @109 pw. ‘achieving our objectives will continue to elude us if we do not include the use of military force as an option to enforce the U.S. Constitution and compel the U.S. government to abide by its terms’
    You gonna bring your knife to the gunfight? Attacking them on their terms is not just suicidal, it will instantly change the ‘terms of battle’ to the US Government vs the Terrorists at Home with all that entails. I realize you have a military background and, presumably, great faith in the efficacy of violent ‘shortcuts’, but I think that jumping on the violence bandwagon is, in reality, abandoning the real fight for the ‘fun’ of ‘justified’ murder and mayhem.
    Jay Gould is said to have said that he could hire one half of ‘the people’ to kill the other half, and the half that works for the Goulds of this world are well-paid, well-armed, have a great PR machine behind them … and they enjoy their work.
    There is no military solution in Syria, or between the US and Russia, or in the USA, no matter what Harrylaw or the neo-cons or PavewayIV says. It’s only after death, devastation, and destruction have exhausted all sides that a solution becomes inescapable, and it, like the world transformed by their violence, is then ‘less than optimal’.
    I share your frustration, but bringing about the worst possible conditions in order to bring about the best has a hopeless record in history. It’s the present approach of Turkey, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and of course of the US/UN/EU/NATO itself. To say that it’s not a pretty sight is an understatement. And I’ve only seen pictures, thank goodness, and never viewed war as an author and participant. Maybe you were ‘only kidding’?

    Posted by: jfl | Jun 18 2016 23:33 utc | 110

    jfl@110 – I think if you take a look at the link to the State Department Dissent Memo posted by h@106, you’ll see that I just changed a few words around for effect. It was suppose to be humorous. If you didn’t catch it, then I suppose I should expect the FBI to be kicking in my front door at 3 A.M. this morning and shooting my dog before tasing the wife and kids in the neck and hauling me off to Gitmo in chains for some hummus. I guess I can scratch ‘comedian’ off my list of alternative careers.
    I also would find it a bit of a problem to acquire or deliver stand-off and/or air weapons nowadays. The wifey wouldn’t approve at all and they would scare the hell out of the pooch.

    Posted by: PavewayIV | Jun 19 2016 1:43 utc | 111

    @ 109, 110
    Per the drift of the subject: Please observe the appearance of ‘Robo-Cops’ now in action suppressing the labour law protestors in France, last seen suppressing protestors in various places over Police murders of Black youth in GOUSA (Good Ol’ U.S.A.). Consider the possibility of survival as your goal, prising power from their hands will only happen as with gun owners, out of their cold dead fingers; be confident they will make every effort that those cold dead fingers will be yours. Consolation can be had in knowing (and preparing for) systemic collapse; complexity does not allow coercion, therefore withdraw consent, withdraw information, withdraw exposure – an alternative lifestyle, simplify, prepare and help others to do so as well. Watch carefully as those now holding power expend ever greater effort to maintain that power, those things are clearly seen even now; some slippery slope they have made for themselves. Don’t bother with forceful resistance, mere withdrawal of consent is enough, as well as not lifting a finger to stay the downfall. You will be blessed if you know what you are about.

    Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jun 19 2016 1:56 utc | 112

    Formerly T-Bear@112 – I’m glad to see someone using the term ‘withdrawal of consent’, T-Bear. I generally avoid politics in conversation and figure it’s beyond most to explain why I don’t and will not vote in a meaningless election. The simple answer is withdrawal of consent. I consider it my duty to do as much considering all the others that have sacrificed their lives for what they thought would always be a legitimate, constitutional U.S. government. I don’t have any magic answers on how to fix it yet, but the very least I can do – to the extent possible – is refusing to consent to the usurped Franken-government we are stuck with today.
    What I can’t stop doing is trying to figure out how to fix it and simply stand back and watch it implode. I owe it to my kids to leave them with something better than a Mad Max post-apocalypse wasteland of the former U.S. Since I may well not be cleaver enough to do that, plan B involves a 200# anvil and forge, a pottery wheel and kiln and plenty of heirloom seeds in an old farm with a spring-fed stream far, far away from the city. I would rather that remains a fun vacation spot with interesting hobbies rather than our future home. The relatives that left it to us had a wonderfully well-stocked library that I keep expanding with the classics. Maybe I’ll finally find that time I need to read. Which reminds me, I have to get educated on lens-grinding one of these days.

    Posted by: PavewayIV | Jun 19 2016 3:04 utc | 113

    @111 pw
    I’m glad you were really kidding … I thought a little longer and wondered if I hadn’t taken too much of a civilian’s eye view of what you were saying … that you might have been talking about a bona fide coup d’etat, and that you might know guys higher up (pardon me if you are ‘higher up’ yourself) in the military who were beginning to talk about making their move.
    I’ll take your word that it was a joke but … ‘defend our constitution’ and all … it had the ring of a ‘true believer’. I had thought of the FBI at your place just as you said.
    I wonder if there aren’t people in the US military thinking coup? State has really stepped on their toes with the 50 dancing diplomats, and much is being made of the ‘split’ between the CIA and the military. I had assumed it was just over turf/appropriations, as it always is, but maybe the military views the neo-con/State/CIA amalgam as having gone too far, as having staged a coup on them already. They have an awful lot of mouths to feed in the MIC, and the relatively few at CIA have been carrying out very full plates at every sitting lately, for the past eight years, I imagine.
    The USG is a cesspool of nihilism and corruption, and they’re sitting on the means to blow us all away.

    Posted by: jfl | Jun 19 2016 5:36 utc | 114

    Lack o social media buttons on the site is a major weakness.
    Get at least Twitter Fb
    Have a great time until then
    Greg

    Posted by: Greg Galloway | Jun 19 2016 11:25 utc | 115

    @ PavewayIV | Jun 18, 2016 11:04:52 PM | 113
    Great beginnings of the day awakening to a cognitive reply, have been mulling a response since. I also avoid involvement in current political discussion, mostly from being a quarter day ahead of timezones there; realtime window isn’t open for that long.
    Don’t discount the fact a military coup would provide the U.S. with a legitimate government – automatically; the present government’s inability to self correct also means its inability to legitimise itself in any legal sense. The U.S. government became illegal the moment the U.S. Supreme Court decided an election – nothing has been done to remedy that constitutional transgression which the members of the ultimate court rightfully should have received a Nicolae Ceaușescu moment with only the dissenting justices receiving non-fatal remedy. It wasn’t done and now is too late to matter.
    Unless one has 20/20 prophesying abilities, about the only recourse available is to preserve human experience intact and let the future find the tools needed to build their world. What one must do is find some point of balance, a centre where the storms of propaganda, the winds of emotionalism, the floods of disinformation cannot reach, where the needed tools can be preserved, as fictionalised in Fahrenheit 451. Consideration, logical conclusion and critical thinking are all at risk and need be preserved as well. Trust no narrative that cannot predict, especially in political economics, the humanist is your ally, humanism preserves our experiences.
    Most people haven’t the resources to flee disasters, if you have you are quite fortunate. Most will rely on their established standing where they live and need to culture and nurture those connections. In this case herd behaviour can be a survival plus.
    Over a fifth of a century ago, I voted with my feet and am not obliged to cast further votes. Several times here I’ve mentioned not voting for incumbents – ever – as the only course that might regain control of the government for the citizen, but that has never gained traction. It may be too late for that now any road.

    Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jun 19 2016 13:25 utc | 116

    jfl@114 – The senior ranks of the U.S. military today are mostly filled with careerists, wanna-be politicians or future defense industry lackeys. These are yes-men to the neocons – all others have been purged. The Pentagon has been groomed to enforce with will of the oligarchs, foreign agents and usurpers. Neocon fascists require a certain warped loyalty to their idea of what’s ‘best’ for the country – and their own self-interests of course. Much to my horror, they have been turned into little more than unquestioning mafia thugs doing their master’s bidding.
    Don’t look for any support for the U.S. Constitution or the rights of U.S. citizens from the upper ranks of the U.S. military – I assure you that THERE IS NONE, except for the meekest of the neocon dissenters. The few independent-minded critical thinkers that remain are an anomaly, safely confined to the darkest corners of the Pentagon in meaningless positions hoping to reach retirement before being purged. Maybe it was always like that and we were too blinded to notice.

    Posted by: PavewayIV | Jun 19 2016 17:12 utc | 117

    Formerly T-Bear@116 Well said – I have nothing to add.

    Posted by: PavewayIV | Jun 19 2016 23:24 utc | 118

    @117 pw, ‘Don’t look for any support for the U.S. Constitution or the rights of U.S. citizens from the upper ranks of the U.S. military’
    I wasn’t, I was just sounding you out on the possibility of a coup. With the 5th column out of the closet, and the 50 dancing diplomats beside themselves with glee over the rise of The Hill, as they see it, and with The Hill, the CIA … although it’s hard to imagine the CIA in any firmer control than they have been with Obama … I thought the military might figure it’s now or never.
    The generals always claim they’re saving the country when they take over, as they’ve claimed in the 21 coups here in Thailand, 12 if you just count the ‘successful’ ones. The present dictator asserts he’s restoring democracy. Wasn’t it Kerry who noted that Sisi was performing the same function in Egypt? … I just noticed that Sisi is ISIS spelt backwards.
    The sucking sound in Washington seems to be caused by a power vacuum, not that there isn’t way too much power concentrated there just that who wields it is not apparent from this distance. Perhaps not even in the city itself. I have never had the feeling that the country was completely adrift before. It certainly does seem to be so now. I am under no delusion that the generals could be of any help, but at this point wouldn’t be surprised if one among a group of them stood up and said, à la Al Haig “I’m in control here”. With the prospect of The Donald or The Hill, he might make it stick? Imagine the alternative if he really tried.

    Posted by: jflk | Jun 20 2016 1:23 utc | 119

    jflk@119 – The power vacuum thing in Washington/Pentagon is an interesting observation. There’s a certain paradox that occurs in some (sorry, I have to use it) psychopath-infested organizations. The more senior the leader, the less legitimacy and respect they have from the lesser minions. The organization machinery normally keeps everyone in line and the leaders are deluded to believe they have the unbridled loyalty of their subordinates.
    So I’ll toss this out for anyone to ponder without the novel-length post it would take to justify the thought: I firmly believe a handful of field-grade officers in the Marines or special forces and a few thousand of their men could seize the U.S. congress and force a constitutional convention here to ‘fix’ the laws. No coup, not generals needed or desired. It is because of its size and lack of legitimacy that the U.S. government is so vulnerable.
    The U.S. government itself telegraphs this threat pretty clearly (for those that watch): they aggressively manage the sizes and locations of SF and marine units stationed stateside. They always have.

    Posted by: PavewayIV | Jun 20 2016 3:37 utc | 120


    Don’t discount the fact a military coup would provide the U.S. with a legitimate government – automatically; the present government’s inability to self correct also means its inability to legitimise itself in any legal sense.

    Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jun 19, 2016 9:25:04 AM | 116

    When Hagel (who was dumped for refusal to tell infantile porkies) was DefSec, my hopes for such an act were raised. Last time I checked, about 6 years ago, the Grunt’s Oath of Allegiance differed from the Officer’s Oath of Allegiance in that the Officer’s Oath included a clause with the expression “..from enemies within and without..” but those hopes were turned to Ash…
    But, whether the wording has changed, or not, the present crop of US Military Officers have sworn, and have a duty to act upon, their undertaking.

    Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 20 2016 7:38 utc | 121

    |@ Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 20, 2016 3:38:06 AM | 121
    IF there were to be a successful military coup d’état, do you really think what wording of an oath taken a priori really matters at that point? Would not the accomplishment of such a coup write the bottom line for the prior regime, ending a political myth equivalent to unicorns and rainbows? You may be considering things being overlooked, such oaths would only be operative for counter-coup activities it would seem to me.

    Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jun 20 2016 9:05 utc | 122

    @120pw, ‘I firmly believe a handful of field-grade officers in the Marines or special forces and a few thousand of their men could seize the U.S. congress and force a constitutional convention here to ‘fix’ the laws.’
    Pity our Constitution and ourselves if that ever came about. Let me be clear, an armed takeover of the USG would be a disaster in my view, perhaps irrecoverable at least in the same sense as that elections of, by and government of the people are practically irrecoverable since the election of 2000, and it makes no difference that the power would be in the hands ‘of field-grade officers in the Marines or special forces and a few thousand of their men’ or the devil incarnate wearing 5 stars. Men with guns. Overthrowing the Constitution. I’m interested to see your thoughts on its possibility. Your sympathetic response and that of FTB seem appalling to me, although I’m sure you’re not alone in these dark days of our country. Our nadir, certainly, in my lifetime.
    Obama Resists State Dept Push for Syria Regime Change. Murtiny at State and the POTUS ‘resists’? Of course that’s been the story of his presidency. He’s been the CIA’s song and dance mans since day-one … but they used to keep that ‘hidden’. Power in the USG is already held outside ‘our’ elected government itself.

    Posted by: jflk | Jun 20 2016 11:29 utc | 123

    Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jun 20, 2016 5:05:43 AM | 122
    If a successful military coup came to pass, and the plotters cited the Oath as justification for their actions, the reforms proposed would (should) resonate with The People. And if the hypothetical plotters hadn’t thought that step through, a priori, and stuffed it up, they were the wrong plotters.
    My contention is that the Officer’s Oath was put there for a reason and common folk are taught that Oaths are not to be whimsically dismissed/ ignored.
    It’s not as if it would be the first military coup in the History of Mankind. There’s probably a shelf-full of How To books…

    Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 20 2016 14:31 utc | 124

    Re the US Coup… if the plotters wanted to make their cause popular all they’d have to do is announce that they had arrested the entire (80% unpopular) Congress and the forthcoming Military Tribunal will weed out, and execute, all the traitor$.

    Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 20 2016 14:53 utc | 125

    Attorney General Opposes New Obama Plan on Gitmo Closure

    Nearly eight years into President Obama’s pledge to close Guantanamo Bay within 12 months, the most recent half-hearted plan to move toward reducing the number of detainees has been blocked by his own Attorney General, Loretta Lynch.

    Makes me wonder if they’ve asked Obama to return his key to the executive washroom yet. There’s no difference between now and the rest of ‘his’ administration, actually. It’s the other folks who have ‘changed’. The used to feign solidarity with Obama in order to keep their jobs. Now they’re feigning solidarity with BroomHillary.
    Actually nothing’s changed, has it. The 24 hour nihilist feint is still on, it’s just that the rotation of faux ‘bosses’ is underway.
    In the USA, everything is false. Nothing is what it purports to be.
    I guess those poor bastards at Guantanamo are going to die there. Some of them were teenagers when they were sold to the CIA. Can’t admit that they’ve never been guilty of anything. They have to die for their innocence.

    Posted by: jfl | Jun 22 2016 9:35 utc | 126