Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
June 11, 2016

Clashes In Marseille Foreshadow Wider Sectarian War

Marseille - Clashes between sectarian supporters of two opposed participants in an ancient ritual games erupted today. Observers fear that these could escalate into a wide sectarian war throughout Europe. Local militia intervened but as their own religion is despised by the two brawling sides ended up fighting both. The street fights started after organized supporters of the orthodox Russian team threw beer bottles towards drunk partisans of protestant Englishmen. Throwing beer bottles is seen as an insult in Europe. Catholic French militia used tear gas and indiscriminately attacked the quarreling sides as well as bystanders. Locals accuse the militia of attacking its own people and demanded the immediate downfall of the Hollande regime.

Protestant Englishmen, catholic Frenchmen and orthodox Slavs hate each other due to deep-rooted sectarian history and a long series of wars in Europe. Ugly violence is rooted in conflicts that date back to the Anglo-French wars in the 13th century and Napoleon's moves deep into Russia. A siege in 1627 marked the apex of local sectarian tensions in France. It ended with a catholic victory despite relief for the protestants arriving from England. The clashes between U.S.-backed Englishmen and Chinese-backed Russians in France are also part of a proxy war between capitalism and communism in the South China Sea.

After its militia lost control of the fighting, the catholic government of France pledged to send reinforcements to crack down on all sides. Humanitarian organizations pleaded to show restraint and not to hurt moderates involved in the brawls. Regional experts discussed providing arms to some less sectarian participants. Catholic authorities from Poland called on NATO to hold Putin accountable for the clashes in Marseille. Russian aggression versus any NATO members can not be tolerated, they said.

h/t Hayder al-Khoei

Posted by b on June 11, 2016 at 18:03 UTC | Permalink


Workers striking against austerity reflect poorly on the games, top football officials lamented.

Posted by: jason | Jun 11 2016 18:11 utc | 1

Secretary General Stoltenberg has announced an urgent meeting of the Zionist-American Terrorist Organization where the Unholy Alliance is due to invoke Article 5 due to the Russian aggression...

Posted by: LXV | Jun 11 2016 18:26 utc | 2

Hatred seems to be a western/European quality. It manifests itself when there is no OTHER, no brown, or black, or yellow easily available to hate. That would explain why EXCEPTIONALISTAN (with its' soon to be anointed QUEEN OF CHAOS) gains such easy traction in making the entire sub-continent fear the middle east, loathe the Russians and continue to plant divisiveness in southeast Asia, in Africa, etc.

Granted, others hate as well. A common attribute. Even those who proclaim a progressive mindset will, in the final (or most recent) analysis vote for violence when articulating peace. Peace then becomes a tool for domination and subjugation.

Finally, do any of you folks ever read Counter Punch? This weekends offerings are worth the time rather than just reacting to a stimulus, it is time well spent to think? Another source of articles worth your time is Information Clearing House.

As someone who comes from a different mindset, I find some of the contributions here to be little more than commentary justifying the west and the goals of EXCEPTIONALISTAN and the oligarchs who put forth THE QUEEN OF CHAOS ...

But! Enough of my reflections!

Posted by: rg the lg | Jun 11 2016 18:33 utc | 3

The Siege of La Rochelle (French: Le Siège de La Rochelle, or sometimes Le Grand Siège de La Rochelle) was a result of a war between the French royal forces of Louis XIII of France and the Huguenots of La Rochelle in 1627–28. The siege marked the apex of the tensions between the Catholics and the Protestants in France, and ended with a complete victory for King Louis XIII and the Catholics.
English intervention

The Duke of Buckingham attempted to lift the siege.
The Anglo-French conflict followed the failure of the Anglo-French alliance of 1624, in which England had tried to find an ally in France against the power of the Habsburgs. In 1626, France under Richelieu actually concluded a secret peace with Spain, and disputes arose around Henrietta Maria's household. Furthermore, France was building the power of its Navy, leading the English to be convinced that France must be opposed "for reasons of state".
In June 1626, Walter Montagu was sent to France to contact dissident noblemen, and from March 1627 attempted to organize a French rebellion. The plan was to send an English fleet to encourage rebellion, triggering a new Huguenot revolt by Duke Henri de Rohan and his brother Soubise.

Posted by: okie farmer | Jun 11 2016 18:57 utc | 4

football attracts a lot of losers.. these are them...

for nato or anyone else to use it as some sort of excuse for more insanity wouldn't be unusual... they seem fine with any excuse they can find, much like the soccer fans actions in all of this..

Posted by: james | Jun 11 2016 19:07 utc | 5

When I first saw "bear bottles" in this article I assumed it was a typo but meaning "beer bottles" . But then that term appeared a second time. So what are "bear bottles"? Obviously Russian but why would a French catholic find it particularly insulting if an orthodox Christian threw a bear bottle?

Posted by: ToivoS | Jun 11 2016 19:14 utc | 6

The following story is a window with a different angle into life in Syria.

Some Arabian Gulf countries stopped importing fruits and vegetables from Lebanon some months ago. Partly as a result, the Lebanon market has a surplus of some fruit and vegetable produce. On 8 or 9 June 2016, Lebanon's Ministry of Agriculture suddenly issued an order prohibiting Syrian fruits and vegetables from being imported into the Lebanon market. Explaining the order, Lebanon's Minister for Agriculture said: “Huge amounts of produce from Syria have drowned the market, which reflected negatively on the Lebanese farmer.... We want to protect the Lebanese farmers and their produce in the face of the inflow of Syrian products.” Contemplating possible retaliatory trade restrictions against Lebanon by Syria, the Lebanon minister warned: “The Syrians use the Rafic Hariri International airport [in Beirut] as a transit station to export their commodities. Several planes leave the airport on a weekly basis loaded with Syrian goods. I hope they do not take reckless measures so as not to push us to a decision to cut off this artery on the basis of reciprocity.” Source: . Syria's minister of Foreign Trade said the Lebanese decision will do harm to Syrian farmers, and will cause unjustifiable financial burdens on both the Lebanese and Syrian sides. He criticized the decision for being put into effect without giving the Syrian side a period of time that is traditionally granted before enforcement of such a decision. Source:

Posted by: Ghubar Shabih | Jun 11 2016 19:16 utc | 7

England fans have been embroiled in fresh clashes with police and rival supporters in Marseille ahead of the team's opening match of Euro 2016.

The latest violence follows two nights of trouble in the French city.

Police used tear gas for a third day on Saturday, and also a water cannon in an attempt to disperse the crowds.

Footage showed bottles being thrown and bloodied fans being given medical treatment. French police say one Briton was seriously injured in clashes.

A police spokesman said the Briton had been resuscitated by officers, but gave no further details.

Posted by: okie farmer | Jun 11 2016 19:30 utc | 8

I guess russians do indeed throw bear bottles instead of beer bottles :-)
You've heard about the "russian bear" but much less about russian beer.

Posted by: radiator | Jun 11 2016 19:36 utc | 9

This is hillarious. Love it. And kind of true too. The theatre of the absurd goes on, fotball shmootball, or whatever....

Posted by: Merlin2 | Jun 11 2016 19:38 utc | 10

b, are you drunk?

Posted by: dan | Jun 11 2016 19:42 utc | 11

Yes, it's Putin fault again! Let the show begin, the beginning of a long struggle ahead.

Posted by: Jack Smith | Jun 11 2016 20:07 utc | 12

Posted by: ToivoS | Jun 11, 2016 3:14:45 PM | 6

Nope. These are American weapons.

Posted by: somebody | Jun 11 2016 20:12 utc | 13

Has no one here recognized the article as satire?

Posted by: AntiSpin | Jun 11 2016 20:12 utc | 14

Somebody @14

I had no idea that there was such a thing as bear bottles. You have explained the paradox. However, those must be some really wealthy football hooligans willing to throw antique bear bottles that must cost about $100 each. These rioters must have some very wealthy backers. Russia can't be that rich? Would the CIA invest money like this?

Posted by: ToivoS | Jun 11 2016 20:22 utc | 15

Euro 2016: One Critical After Marseille Clashes

Some England fans blame Russians and others local supporters as violence breaks out near Marseille's stadium and in the old port.

Sky's Paul Kelso says Russian fans are suspected of being involved in the worst of the violence.

He said: "There has been a really ugly development. A gang of what appears to be Russian supporters, hooligans, very well organised, stormed into the old port area and looked for English fans to attack."

Just as the English are the 'champions' of 'football hooligans' so too are the English the 'champions' of trash corporate media.

Posted by: jfl | Jun 11 2016 20:34 utc | 16

ancient ritual games? wide sectarian war throughout Europe? demanded the immediate downfall of the Hollande regime?. discussed providing ARMS to some less sectarian participants? (You mean as in "moderates"?)

b, you are too much. And it's not even April Fools Day. I especially enjoyed "bear bottles".

Had to chuckle at the Telegraph headline: "British fans and Russian thugs Clash. . . "

Posted by: Penelope | Jun 11 2016 20:44 utc | 17

@14 antispin.. the thought had crossed my mind, as had the thought dan expressed earlier! making light on a serious matter isn't generally b's style, but anything is possible..

Posted by: james | Jun 11 2016 20:49 utc | 18

i remember a story some years ago an American punk band got rowdy at a concert in Germany, threw some beer bottles into the crowd and hurt someones, police intervened, bandleader tells them something like, 'fucking hell, you guys start a world war every 2 or three decades and you get all worked up over a few beer bottles?'

Posted by: John | Jun 11 2016 21:42 utc | 19

h/t Hayder al-Khoei

And h/t to b for spotting and sharing it.
It's about time someone drew attention to the MSM's obsession with highly selective Identity Politics.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 11 2016 21:42 utc | 20

I suppose that Putin is now so desperate that he is sending Russian thugs to Marseille to confront French catholics and English protestants in street riots outside a football stadium. Those bear bottles give him away without question. I notice that the Polish government has also accused Russia for these riots.

The big question remains: who bought those bear bottles? As someone pointed out they are only available as antiques. They must cost at least $100 each. Who other than Soros has that kind of money? Hum, only the deep state has those resources.

Posted by: ToivoS | Jun 11 2016 21:48 utc | 21

"Those whom God wishes to destroy, he first makes mad."

Posted by: Perimetr | Jun 11 2016 22:22 utc | 22

After seeing the reputation of Russia tarnished, Putin sent in Special Forces to track down and deal with the moderate troublemakers. One of the moderates learned his lesson the hard way.

Posted by: Yonatan | Jun 11 2016 22:52 utc | 23

You nailed it. We are living in the world of narratives that shape our understanding of reality on the ground.

Posted by: Kalen | Jun 11 2016 23:03 utc | 24

It seems that Russian forces have teamed up with French forces to inflict serious damage on Perfious Albion supporters at a sporting event. The unlikely alliance is thought to have been forged after Chelsea barred a black Frenchman from entering a train home from work in Paris some time ago (French forces in Marseille have a high proportion of immigrants from Africa), coupled with English aggression against Russia on every field of play recently.

Posted by: Lochearn | Jun 11 2016 23:19 utc | 25

Re: 25

I meant Perfidious. Apologies.

Posted by: Lochearn | Jun 11 2016 23:20 utc | 26

Is this a Muslim tongue-in-cheek swipe at the MSM for portraying Islamist terror as something that is ingrained in the very fabric of Islamic faith? If so, it's kind of too cute by half.

Posted by: telescope | Jun 11 2016 23:59 utc | 27

good one Yonatan. I missed that Speznat assault on the liberal opposition. But what does that have to with the bear bottle attack?

Posted by: ToivoS | Jun 12 2016 0:03 utc | 28

the soft spot in the rotting corpse: Massilia
who knew beer bottles were weapons of mass destruction?

Posted by: Jay M | Jun 12 2016 0:08 utc | 29

What kind of nutcases think that Putin/Russia is involved in fomenting those clashes in Marseille ?

Posted by: Willy2 | Jun 12 2016 2:19 utc | 30

Whoever wrote that article obviously never set foot in France and want to make reality fits his fertile imagination.
"Throwing beer bottles is seen as an insult in Europe." Dude seriously? There's a place where when people throw shit at you it's seen as a compliment?
It's not because it's beer, it's because if I throw a bottle at you, you'll get hurt. Is it really that hard to understand?

"Catholic French militia used tear gas"
It's called the police, and here we have a separation between churches and the state. Which means we have policement from all confessions, and they're not allowed to express their religious beliefs when at work.

"the catholic government of France pledged to send reinforcements to crack down on all sides". Again we're talking about France, not Saudi Arabia. Afaik politicians here only worship money and power.

I honestly expected better from this website than such a bs article trying to sell hooligans doing what they always do as some sort of religious conflict. I assume the author is some sort of religious zealot himself, that would explain why he lost touch with reality.

Posted by: ThisArticleSucks | Jun 12 2016 2:26 utc | 31

@ThisArticleSucks #31

Please READ again and refer to Penelope #17

Posted by: Jack Smith | Jun 12 2016 2:37 utc | 32

somebody @ 13: Cool bottles, good to collect.

Posted by: ben | Jun 12 2016 2:51 utc | 33

@ Jack Smith | Jun 11, 2016 10:37:37 PM | 32

Not to worry, its the baldy eagle muppet putting in an appearance, sticking in some oar it found. Amazing imagery these flybys automatically generate sometimes.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jun 12 2016 3:38 utc | 34

The last bear bottle pictured in Somebody@13's link looked familiar. I finally remembered where I saw three bears similar to that one. Warning: you will never be able to forget that little tune that plays in the background.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Jun 12 2016 4:37 utc | 35

Willy2 @ 30

What kind of nutcases think that Putin/Russia is involved in fomenting those clashes in Marseille?

Anyone who writes for The Guardian, The New York Times, and The Washington Post and everyone who works for Rupert Murdoch, for starters.
Jack Smith @ 32
You should know by now that Americans don't do irony - it's something to do with them being the lowest of the low when it comes to culture. I mean, what cultural advances have the Americans given the world other than the tiki bar.............

Posted by: blowback | Jun 12 2016 4:37 utc | 36

As I read the post I thought of the American propaganda I keep hearing about Vietnam. The story goes that over XX% of the Vietnamese did not live through the war and so the youth don't carry animosity towards America, the supplicant pawn to global private finance hegemony.

While some Americans are waking up a bit, they have a ways to go to understand how hated the US empire has become by the masses, who in turn hate their governments for being such complicit pawns of empire.

And think how far folks globally have to wake up to see the historical role that private finance and inheritance have had on humanities "evolution" over the past few centuries and what the jackboot of private finance on the necks of the 99% presages for the future......certainly looking like catastrophic failure is looming closer for those at the bottom.....some might even call it planned social genocide......
......but there we are back to talking about a wider "sectarian bear war".

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 12 2016 4:48 utc | 37


Posted by: euclidcreek | Jun 12 2016 5:09 utc | 38

Ah, you've stepped up your game nicely. A great Sunday piece. Thanks.

Posted by: Andy V | Jun 12 2016 5:18 utc | 39

In case anyone is still confused about the article b posted, here's some background.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Jun 12 2016 5:21 utc | 40

I honestly expected better from this website than such a bs article trying to sell hooligans doing what they always do as some sort of religious conflict. I assume the author is some sort of religious zealot himself, that would explain why he lost touch with reality.
Posted by: ThisArticleSucks | Jun 11, 2016 10:26:02 PM | 31

It only sucks for folks who have deliberately forgotten that 80%+ of the West's Mainstream Media is owned and controlled by pro-Israel (nudge-nudge wink-wink) Right-wing Cranks who persuaded themselves that Identity Politics seemed like a good idea at the time. This topic demonstrates just how easily divisive, half-baked racist bs can be transformed into a 2-way street.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 12 2016 6:19 utc | 41

Posted by: blowback | Jun 12, 2016 12:37:23 AM | 36

Am no fool, slow grasping socio-political events? Ukraine, Syria, Palestinians' suffering and other bloody events open my eyes. Brainwashed for years by the "good guys.” Now, dun believes any shits sprout from liar-in-chief, MSM and duopoly either.

Now completely changed, essentially think like rg the lg. Nevertheless, remain a committed passive and pacifist. If what b said are true. Let the battles begins starting in France, continue to other EU' cities and to our shores. We will never safe with Neoliberal or NeoCon in charge here or anywhere. Amen.

If push comes to shove, relocate again to a safer haven. That’s why no problem voting for Trump in Nov. (Sorry, US elections’ shits)

Posted by: Jack Smith | Jun 12 2016 6:19 utc | 42

Er, any chance it just might be a drunken brawl? Like nothing to do with Catholics and Protestants, just hooligans doing what they do?

Gimme a fucking break and try not to tie this to the Empire of Chaos.

Posted by: peter | Jun 12 2016 7:16 utc | 43


Posted by: jfl | Jun 12 2016 7:22 utc | 44


I thought you laid it on a little thick when I first read it, but from the comments here, wow. People are primed! All over it. I guess it may come from reading the corporate media? A sort of automatic response to something that is nonsense, but created to elicit just such a response?

I guess you cannot out bullshit the bullshitters. The corporate media have been engaging in self-satire for so long that people can no longer tell the difference ... or maybe they enjoy the adrenalin rush of the 2 minute hate so much that they don't care that the article's cut from whole cloth?

I don't know if you put it up as an experiment, but it's given some interesting results.

Posted by: jfl | Jun 12 2016 7:31 utc | 45

Send in the drones.


Posted by: Julian | Jun 12 2016 7:55 utc | 46

I'm not quite sure how drunken brawls between soccer hooligans equates to a "sectarian" war. Seems a bit hyperbolic to me.

Posted by: Rob Centros | Jun 12 2016 7:57 utc | 47

Yonatan, Thank you. You made me laugh out loud. I guess the Bears are reinforcing the cauldron, so they sent in the Mice instead.

b, Please forgive the OT, but am I the only one who heard about the delicious HufPost story that the Clintons & their Clinton Foundation had been indicted under RICO? Moneylaundering and soliciting bribery for political policy & legislative favors for individuals, corporations & foreign govts.

Unfortunately the story was posted for only a few hours.

Posted by: Penelope | Jun 12 2016 8:03 utc | 48

AntiSpin@14, The so-called "normal" world has become such a parody of life that it's hard to sort out truth from fiction these days, hard to sort out an Onion article from a New York Times article. Of course, it was satire. But you know what, it just as easily could have been a straight news article.
One never knows!
One never knows.

Posted by: Macon Richardson | Jun 12 2016 8:20 utc | 49

Blowback@36 Be gentle with the Americans. They're the only people on earth who have gone from barbarism to decadence to barbarism without ever having enjoyed a period of high culture somewhere between the barbarism and barbarism.

Posted by: Macon Richardson | Jun 12 2016 8:30 utc | 50

"why would a French catholic find it particularly insulting if an orthodox Christian threw a bear bottle?"

Well, as everyone with the apparent exception of knows that Russian Orthodox bear bottles are filled with the tears of French Catholic nuns kidnapped by Spetznazty orthodox monks from their cloisters and smuggled under conditions of horrendous privation to underground holding pens in what used to be Siberian salt mines.

Having these tears flung at them in bear bottles is salt in the wounds of French Catholic Amour propre.

Honestly didn't they teach you anything useful at school?

Posted by: Irony maiden | Jun 12 2016 8:40 utc | 51

@ Posted by: ThisArticleSucks | Jun 11, 2016 10:26:02 PM | 31

Contrary to what you seem to believe the word "irony" does not mean "tasting somewhat of iron". You might try looking it up here's a link: irony - definition of irony in English from the Oxford dictionary

Posted by: Irony maiden | Jun 12 2016 8:46 utc | 52

What happened in Marseille is a manifestation of what constant demonization of a particular group/country/race etc etc for short term gain by Western politicians can lead to. I'm sure the average Englishman doesn't have a problem with Russians and vice vera. But over the years, politicians in the West have demonized Russians at every opportunity to the point where their people being to think Russians are their enemies. Listening to bbc or any western msm, you'd think they're almost at war with Russia. Of course, hardcore hooligans with only two brain cells that can't digest BS from truth swallow it and take it to the extreme - believing they're "better than them".

Apparently what happened was that the English hooligans(not to be confused with decent soccer fans) were taunting the Russians and one thing led to another :^)

I think politicians MUST be very careful in the language they use when reffereing to "the other" people and also people need to call them out when they hear their policians spewing such nonsense. As you can see, it wasn't the politicians that were getting their asses kicked, it was the dumb-ass f*ckwit who couldn't tell BS from truth. Even the English soccer commentators couldn't believe "those Russians" could equalize - how dare they!!!

Sh*t like this can lead to a catastrophic end. I've even heard they're planning to banned "the Russians" from the game.

Posted by: Zico | Jun 12 2016 10:18 utc | 53

Jack Smith @ 41
"Am no fool" Did I say you were a fool? No, simply posting comments on MoA suggests otherwise.
"slow grasping socio-political events" Did I suggest that Americans are slow understanding socio-political events? No. but a lot seem to be.
As for the cultural stuff, I was slightly misquoting an article that the lack of irony in American daily life is due to the lack of cultural homogeneity among Americans making direct talking necessary - not being sure if you'll offend someone for cultural reasons is a great reason for not doing irony particularly when the other person might have a gun. As for levels of culture, Germans always thought they were fairly high on that scale and then they go and perfect industrialized mass murder. Try and work that one out.
As for b's article, it like the original feed on Twitter, is a parody of what passes for comment in western media these days about sectarianism in the Middle East.
So, is there sectarianism in football? Yes, just look at Celtic(Irish Catholics) v Rangers (Scottish Protestants) which is Northern Ireland to a T. Although as always it's more complicated so at one time Rangers fans were very highly thought of in Catalonia (Spanish Catholic) because they fought the Civil Guard (Spanish Catholic) to a standstill on the streets of Barcelona. Hint: Every one in Catalonia hates the Civil Guard more than anything else in the World
Is there "tribalism" in football? Yes, I've heard of occasions where travelling England fans have had fights abroad between supporters of different English clubs.
Is there nationalism in football? Yes, of course.
But the major cause of violence between football supporter is that there are too many young men present with too much testosterone who want to fight but few opportunities to do so because Europe has pretty much given up on war and fighting "brown people" has got scary(just look at Galatasaray S.K.)

Posted by: blowback | Jun 12 2016 11:56 utc | 54

I am a bit at odds with the underlying assumptions here, as concerning sectarian war between offshoots of monotheism. A belief system focused on football teams and one about a single deity are not quite comparable: every mundane institution needs to be considered a historic specifity, while a single deity is quite necessarily absolute; its traits being exxagerated by the notion that it has presented itself upon us not through the voice of a prophet, but rather through words of its own. This leaves no room for consideration, and hence gives way to a struggle of completely different dimensions. I am not coonvinced that the prospects surrounding the various islamic confessions are a trifle.

Posted by: persiflo | Jun 12 2016 12:27 utc | 55

Actually I was wondering how those russian fans got their fireworks into the stadium. It happens in german stadia every now and then, but I'd imagine that security checks are much more severe in these euro games than they are at your average league game.
When today I read that the uefa is charging the russian football association.
I guess it's not far off to say that the EU US etc. would welcome every opportunity to smear russia and would be most excited about a chance to make them lose the 2018 world championship.
Also I assume it's not too difficult to hand some dozen free tickets to anti-Putin russians and let them take some fireworks into the stadium and have them telegenically "storm" other blocks.
I wonder if there will be more "russian violence" in the next games, maybe to an extent that would justify to take the World Cup away from them.
Yeah alright, I'll put my aluminum helmet back on.

Posted by: radiator | Jun 12 2016 13:01 utc | 56

40;Yeah right wing cranks(Zionists)are calling Trump right wing.What a hoot.
Satire is all we've got to make sense of this nonsense.And yeah Uefa or whatever you call it,is targeting Russia instead of the hooligan English idiots who have been rioting for years at FB matches.
Trump just got a few million more votes from Orlando btw.

Posted by: dahoit | Jun 12 2016 13:21 utc | 57

You all got made, I strongly believe Veterans Today got it right:

"BREAKING NEWS: Ukrainian Pravy Sektor Nazis attack England fans in Marseille"

Posted by: ProPeace | Jun 12 2016 13:54 utc | 58

The article is complete tripe and an unjustified conflation.
If it wasn't so serious it would be funny.

Posted by: Jack | Jun 12 2016 14:42 utc | 59

Ha ha :)

Ironical in view of the fact, from *one* pov, that field ‘sports’ were promulgated and boosted in Britain and its colonies to channel agression into ‘appropriate’ venues, pitting one local ‘team’ against another ‘team’, preventing them from manifesting any beef towards their overlords (that was the idea.. channel the aggro..) The matches were organised and supervised by the PTB, the winners lauded and perhaps chosen. Recent history and one interpretation.

From another pov, seeing football as a hooliganism violence draw-in (danger to society etc.), in fact many previous happenings (1960 >) have been far, far, incredibly, worse. Many ppl have died. Some little chair-throwing skirmish and shouting is small beer. Echo chamber..

The topic re. this type of sports has spawned since 30-40 years a variety of ‘security’ measures, repressive legislation, sociological analysis, psy profiling, lobbyist groups, financial scammers, much dealing (huge profits are on the table, it is an ‘industry’, see FIFA scandal) and consolidation to keep earning money (MSM, advertising revenues) and on and on.

In the ‘far’ past, Edward II banned a form of football becos - violence! In.. 1314.... It is said he preferred cricket!


Posted by: Noirette | Jun 12 2016 15:36 utc | 60

Its insane to watch europeans take evey chance to blame Russia, now they threat Russia with fees! What on earth does the Russiand teamhave to do with ethnic russians starting fight?! Isnt this pure racism? If a jew strike me, does Israel have to pay a fine? What sick mentality is this?!

Russia may face 50,000 euro fine after game with England - source


Posted by: Rob | Jun 12 2016 15:48 utc | 61

Any link that POland accuse Russia or just rumour? Link please.

Posted by: Rob | Jun 12 2016 15:51 utc | 62

I like this article. This is pamphlet. Sarcasm. But it's nicely written. It shows how malicious media can put a spin on things, and it serves the europeans a cup of their own medicine, when they write about middle east.

Ritual games, religious factions, attacking of their own people, etc. Laugh out loud. But effective sarcasm, if we are to understand how we are manipulated by MSM relating events in other parts of the world.

Good stuff.

Posted by: Right | Jun 12 2016 15:58 utc | 63

" Sarcasm " because actually hitting people is frowned upon ...Sad event at the night club ..prayers for family's and friends ....

Posted by: Terry | Jun 12 2016 16:10 utc | 64

UEFA threat Russian gov with fines because ethnic russians in the streets of france fist fight, seriously what the heck is wrong with the west today? That is pure racism.

Also b, is itar-tass link banned? A comment I made hasnt showed up.

Posted by: Rob | Jun 12 2016 16:36 utc | 65

Re Noirette 59

I don't think cricket existed in the 14th century. It's a 19th century game. Some kind of ball game with a bat, though, might have existed. Same with football, medieval ball games were probably nearer to rugby, where you could pick up the ball.

There's quite a good description from Wiki of the traditional game in Ashbourne, Derbyshire, that I remember as a kid:

Ashbourne is known for its annual two-day Royal Shrovetide Football Match, in which one half of the town plays the other at football, using the town as the pitch and with the goals three miles apart. As many as several thousand players compete for two days with a hand-painted, cork-filled ball. The game is played by two teams, the Up'ards and the Down'ards, over two eight-hour periods, subject to only a few rules. ... It is a moving mass (the Hug) which continues through the roads of the town, across fields and even along the bed of the local Henmore Brook. There were intermittent attempts to ban the game until the late 19th century, but none was successful.

There are very few rules in existence. The main ones are:

Committing murder or manslaughter is prohibited. Unnecessary violence is frowned upon.
The ball may not be carried in a motorised vehicle.
The ball may not be hidden in a bag, coat or rucksack, etc.
Cemeteries, churchyards and the town memorial gardens are strictly out of bounds.
Playing after 10 pm is forbidden.
To score a goal the ball must be tapped 3 times in the area of the goal.

Posted by: Laguerre | Jun 12 2016 17:19 utc | 66

Blowback @ 53, Good comment. I wonder if our lack of homogeneity-- cultural and otherwise-- DOES have something to do w the scarcity of sarcasm, satire, parody, and failure to appreciate ludicrous exaggeration. In America, there's a thread of sort of Calvinistic "I must take this seriously." It's hard to imagine a deeply moral vein among a people whose govt engages in killing by drone while the "pilot" is safely ensconced 5000 miles away. But so it is. I spoke to an old lady yesterday who expressed heartfelt pity for the Syrian people under that terrible Assad.

There! You see how I've moved from a consideration of satire to the condemnation of our lying media which has so hoodwinked the old lady. I dislike American sitcoms because the wordplay that passes for wit seems so unkind. British wit is ever so much better done, but so incisive as to feel to this American as cruel.

Noirette's right. The games were always to channel the aggressive impulses of the plebes away from themselves. In a just world the oligarchs could fight their own tournaments, and leave us to live in peace.

Here, I say! Let us move safely from satire to slapstick:

Posted by: Penelope | Jun 12 2016 17:51 utc | 67

Gee I didnt get the sarcasm, seems like the fiction is as crazy today as the reality.

Posted by: Rob | Jun 12 2016 17:51 utc | 68

@53 zico... good comments, especially if you wrote the first paragraph.. thanks..

Posted by: james | Jun 12 2016 18:07 utc | 69

Actually these were combined French-Russia "forces" against English "fans". Which, sort of, makes sense;-)

Posted by: SmoothieX12 | Jun 12 2016 18:17 utc | 70

Laguerre 66 you are probably right about cricket etc. I only meant to point out that there is a loong history:

from 1300! on

> which is *wow* interesting. Shaped by essentially two forces: chanelling male aggro onto the ‘sports’ field away from all else, and commercial gains, which are now, well EXTreme. (Again, see FIFA, a billion dollar so called industry.)

Posted by: Noirette | Jun 12 2016 19:05 utc | 71

A parallel with war in Syria ?

Posted by: survivals | Jun 12 2016 19:25 utc | 72

The BBC has been interviewing English fans, and looks like the Russians started and even conspired to harm the internationally known peaceful English fans. I asked an English buddy why there is so much violence with English fans in continental Europe. Had an interesting reply. In England they get away with a lot of "stuff", and when they try that same "stuff" in France and German, the police take no sheet and come down hard on them.

Posted by: Ram | Jun 12 2016 19:33 utc | 73

It looks like Soccer Holligans translates from English to French to Russian and other groups.

Interesting Ghubar #7. It's surprising that Syria has any exports these days. Those Gulf States use trade as a weapon in addition to their others. Why can't Lebanon try to help Syria move their exports and act as middle men in the process instead of blocking Syrian exports?

Posted by: Curtis | Jun 12 2016 22:02 utc | 74

@60 noirette, '"channel agression into ‘appropriate’ venues, pitting one local ‘team’ against another ‘team’"

I certainly agree there. Spontaneous creation of 'others' just so we can root against them. That's the phenom ... in the bleachers, not on the field. Why is England so phenomenal at the 'spectator sport'?... well, it's a tiny little island, what better way to define the 'us' so 'they' can be 'them'-er than?

I think that everyone in England secretly, 'guiltily' roots for 'their' hooligans, overseas. Even the name hooligan seems to have been appropriated from the Irish, 'savages', aka victims extraordinaire, not unlike, say, the Washington Redskins. But they are 'our' savage redskins! who can out-savage 'them' any day of the week!

Then, of course, you have the appropriate media phenom ... all the larger present-day analogues of 'them', no matter how ridiculous the tie-in. The Russians in this case.

Posted by: jfl | Jun 13 2016 0:35 utc | 75

@75 You're right there. English, Irish and Scots hooligans were the backbone of the British Army. 'Scum of the earth' the Duke of Wellington called them. Sure got those Frenchies running.

Posted by: dh | Jun 13 2016 1:15 utc | 76

@76 dh

And of every army, mutatis mutandis, as they say - change the names to reflect the locale. It's the Dukes and the other 'nobility' that get those they've run-down and exploited running. Everyone but themselves are the 'scum of the earth' ... the scum, of course, is actually what floats to the top.

Posted by: jfl | Jun 13 2016 2:14 utc | 77

@77 But the scum did stop Napoleon (evil dictator, boo, hiss) from taking over Europe.

Posted by: dh | Jun 13 2016 2:35 utc | 78

@78 dh

But then the scum at the top took over the world, and the sun never set on its exploitation.

Wars and engines of exploitation and destruction are the only product of the scum at the top, who can never get enough of 'more'.

“Expansion is everything,” said Cecil Rhodes, and fell into despair, for every night he saw overhead

  “these stars ... these vast worlds which we can never reach. I would annex the planets if I could.” [2]

[2] S. Gertrude Millin. Rhodes, London, 1933, p. 138.

Millin quoted by Hannah Arendt in The Origins of Totalitarianism, Part II, Imperialism, Chapter five: The Political Emancipation of the Bourgeoisie, p 124.

Of course now it all of us, and not only humans, who must suffer through their perpetual struggle to deprive the other of more, on our finite planet, increasingly depleted not only of resources but of human love, fellowship, and wisdom by the deaf, dumb, and blind (the typo was blond) who float to the top.

Posted by: jfl | Jun 13 2016 2:58 utc | 79

@79 Yes but then the colonies wanted their independence, ungrateful bastards, and the Empire fell to bits and the scum became hedge fund managers. In fact one former colony got so good at the empire game they are close to every emperor's hegemony!

Posted by: dh | Jun 13 2016 3:04 utc | 80

@80 dh

The scum is continuous, there are no boundaries within it. It is just that which floats. That which is at 'liberty' to float. At the expense of the planet and life on it, at least

Posted by: jfl | Jun 13 2016 3:54 utc | 81

Russian government just fined because of russian supporters and may face disqualification. This is incredible, there is no end to the anti-russian hatred in the EU.

"The Russian Football Union has been officially warned by UEFA that the national team will be expelled from Euro 2016 if Russian fans are involved in more violent episodes. In addition, the federation has been fined €150,000 ($168,000). "

If this isnt racism what is?

Posted by: Rob | Jun 14 2016 11:38 utc | 82

So now it will suffice that some agent provocateurs light 5 firecrackers that 5 other agents let them take into the stadium, to throw russia out.
How would the russian football association prevent such a thing? No chance, they can't install their own stadium security.

Posted by: radiator | Jun 14 2016 13:59 utc | 83

Please update me football fans, have a nation ever been fined by UEFA before past 10-20 years due how their supporters act?

Posted by: Rob | Jun 14 2016 14:59 utc | 84

I guess english teams have been banned from european tournaments for ~10 years (?) after riots around a club match in belgium (netherlands?). don't know whether that applied to their national team as well.
But this here is pretty ridiculous. I wonder how much effort the average football consumer at home needs to invest to not-see how this is a purely political event, sold to them under the sport label.

Posted by: radiator | Jun 14 2016 15:24 utc | 85


Yes some fooball teams have been fined but never a nation from what I know, this is indeed truly ridiculous, the hate for Russia is everywhere these days and as you say, people dont realize the politically motivated issues going on the average man probably cheer this UEFA ruling as something just.

It doesnt take a brain surgery what this hatred will lead to in the future...

Posted by: Rob | Jun 14 2016 16:27 utc | 86

Wow, way to blow this way out of proportion. There is absolutely no religious undercurrent in this drunken orgy of violence.

Posted by: wtf | Jun 14 2016 18:33 utc | 87

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