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June 16, 2016

The Next "Russian Government Cyber Attack" May Be A Gulf of Tonkin Fake

Yesterday the Washington Post published a piece that smelled of bullshit from the first line to the last:

Russian government hackers penetrated DNC, stole opposition research on Trump.

Russian government hackers penetrated the computer network of the Democratic National Committee and gained access to the entire database of opposition research on GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump, according to committee officials and security experts who responded to the breach.
The intrusion into the DNC was one of several targeting American political organizations. The networks of presidential candidates Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump were also targeted by Russian spies, as were the computers of some Republican political action committees, U.S. officials said. But details on those cases were not available.
Some of the hackers had access to the DNC network for about a year, but all were expelled over the past weekend in a major computer cleanup campaign, the committee officials and experts said.

Why the f*** would Russia want to steal oppo research about Trump when it can read such in Politico and the Washington Post every day? Why start A YEAR AGO to hack something for Trump data? Who would have thought A YEAR AGO that Trump would be relevant? This was obvious nonsense. But some snakeoil salesmen convinced the Washington Post know-nothing reporter and the DNC that it all must be true:

The DNC said that no financial, donor or personal information appears to have been accessed or taken, suggesting that the breach was traditional espionage, not the work of criminal hackers.

If there was a hacker breaking some servers for over a year how the hell would anyone know what s/he accessed? There is no assured way to know what files were touched. And to conclude from what was probably taken to "must thereby have been Russia" is plainly stupid.

“It’s the job of every foreign intelligence service to collect intelligence against their adversaries,” said Shawn Henry, president of CrowdStrike, the cyber firm called in to handle the DNC breach and a former head of the FBI’s cyber division. He noted that it is extremely difficult for a civilian organization to protect itself from a skilled and determined state such as Russia.
The firm identified two separate hacker groups, both working for the Russian government, that had infiltrated the network, said Dmitri Alperovitch, CrowdStrike co-founder and chief technology officer. The firm had analyzed other breaches by both groups over the past two years.

All one might see in a breach, if anything, is some pattern of action that may seem typical for one adversary. But anyone else can imitate such a pattern as soon as it is known. That is why there is NEVER a clear attribution in such cases. Anyone claiming otherwise is lying or has no idea what s/he is speaking of.

Russia denied to have anything to do with that alleged hack. That did not prevent the Washington Post to come with a listical about Five more hacks the West has tied to Russia none of which is likely to have any Russian origin.

Trump for one claims that the DNC "hacked" itself to be able to publish their claims against him.

But now for the fun. A hacker calling himself Guccifer 2.0 just published a blogpost with documents from the hack of the DNC server.

Worldwide known cyber security company CrowdStrike announced that the Democratic National Committee (DNC) servers had been hacked by “sophisticated” hacker groups.

I’m very pleased the company appreciated my skills so highly))) But in fact, it was easy, very easy.

Guccifer may have been the first one who penetrated Hillary Clinton’s and other Democrats’ mail servers. But he certainly wasn’t the last. No wonder any other hacker could easily get access to the DNC’s servers.

Shame on CrowdStrike: Do you think I’ve been in the DNC’s networks for almost a year and saved only 2 documents? Do you really believe it?

Here are just a few docs from many thousands I extracted when hacking into DNC’s network.

Not astonishingly the published documents include those with "financial, donor or personal information" which the DNC unconvincingly claimed had not be accessed. Guccifer 2.0 writes that most of the documents will soon be published via Wikileaks.

The whole story in the Washington Post was a anti-Russia nonsense based on self-promotion of an obviously incompetent cyber security company.

But it is dangerous.

I am afraid that such propaganda will one day be used as another Gulf of Tonkin fake to start a war. NATO is already preparing the public for such a move:

NATO may react to future cyber attacks by deploying conventional weapons, NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said in an interview published by Germany's Bild newspaper on Thursday.

"A severe cyber attack may be classified as a case for the alliance. Then NATO can and must react," the newspaper quoted Stoltenberg as saying. "How, that will depend on the severity of the attack."

One wonders if the Washington Post scaremongering about alleged Russian cyber abilities was coordinated with that NATO announcement.

To even think of such conventional retribution for a cyber attack is lunatic. No cyber attack is ever attributable with any certainty. The U.S. National Security Agency, as well as other state sponsored entities, would have no trouble to fake a "Russian cyber attack". If one lone hacker in the U.S., where Guccifer 2.0 seems to reside, can do such how much more convincing would any intentional, government sponsored fake be?

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I think it's time for Putin to go ahead and explain to the Russian citizenry that ww3 may be unavoidable if Clinton is elected. You wouldn't hear about it here in the states, but at least the world would be forewarned.

Posted by: wwinsti | Jun 16 2016 8:15 utc | 1

I lolled when I first read about that yesterday – for the same reasons as b. and that Guccifer 2.0 person (hmm Guccifer was one of the people who claimed to have visited The Queen of WashingtonDC email server. But that laughing didn’t last too long, in the face of the constant and repetitive demonising of president Putin and all the other “noises” that come out of the MIC + NATO and its PR stooges. There is that meme that comes up multiple times that the Russian Government (Putin does it! – you have to wonder, when does that guy even have time to breath?) is about the release the Clinton emails (and —en passant— they can tie Russia to Wikileaks and demonise it. Wikileaks is actually planning to release those emails).

Posted by: Philippe | Jun 16 2016 8:32 utc | 2

We'll see how long Congress and the rest of the U.S. government lasts if it tries to send our sons and daughters to their deaths overseas somewhere because either the U.S. or some NATO lapdog, got HACKED. It's beyond preposterous.

ANY hack that results in harm to anyone in the U.S. is immediately going to be suspect by a large number of U.S. citizens as (yet) another false flag committed by our own government. The problem with spying on your own citizens is that they have little reason to trust you in return - about anything. Now try to funnel that U.S. government cyberattack shrieking through the mainstream media and you have even less reason to give it any credibility.

Say for instance all the ATMs go down over a long weekend here in the U.S. and some kind of financial crisis ensues, who would everyone suspect? A foreign hacker, or U.S. banks trying to save their loot in another financial crisis?

Or how about the whole power grid in the Northeast or the West Coast going down during a hot spell in August, resulting in many deaths for various reasons. Then the NYT, WaPo or CNN start screaming about Iranian state hackers 'cause the NSA said so. Like any person with an IQ over about 40 would believe the zero-credibility MSM or government. Then Obama says we were 'attacked' and are going to respond with military force, and - oh yeah - he needs to recall all the former active duty or fire up the draft, too. Exactly how long before the pitchforks and torches come out from angry U.S. citizens ready to burn down D.C.?

The problem with NATO saber-rattling about Article 5 is that few people trust NATO or the U.S. government to tell the truth about anything and no NATO member is going to risk revolution by their own citizens for trying to justify a joint NATO military response for the ridiculous notion of a 'cyber attack'.

NATO needs to look no further than Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the U.S. as state sponsors of terror if they want to attack anyone. I'll stand corrected if some malicious Chinese/Russian cyber attack against a NATO member manages to kill the equivalent of a half-a-million Syrians in a NATO country and drives eight million NATO residents from their destroyed homes.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Jun 16 2016 9:17 utc | 3

I think they are trying to drown out the Clinton emails news with related news. When you are on the internet with a bad reputation heap on it a pile of good reputation so it won't be found anymore. Good reputation is difficult with Clinton, so related news.

Posted by: somebody | Jun 16 2016 9:53 utc | 4

They also try to associate Wikileaks and whistle blowing with Russian cyberwar.

Same as German spy chief calling Snowden a Russian spy.

Wikileaks plans to publish the DNC stuff?

Posted by: somebody | Jun 16 2016 10:01 utc | 5

The likely sign of 'end times': "My homework was eaten by a Russian doG".

All lies, all the time; how is one to know anything for sure? What morans! How shallow can one's existence be?

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jun 16 2016 10:04 utc | 6

PavewayIV | Jun 16, 2016 5:17:20 AM | 3

I think you are overly optimistic on U.S. citizens hitting the streets with pitchforks. As you well know there are 30,000+ NATO troops (including stupidly, Germany) on Russia's western borders. The idiots (U.S. citizens) probably don't even know.
Putin said directly that if this is a pretext for an incursion; the nukes will fly and the U.S. will be hit. In other words, the continental U.S. will not escape destruction.
Chomsky, S. Cohen, G. Doktoro, D. Orlov, and many others of equal intellect, have said this is far more dangerous than the previous cold war.
This is in fact a warming up hot war unless rational, sane, people get involved with action against this madness.

Posted by: V. Arnold | Jun 16 2016 10:14 utc | 7

I would add that the U.S. believes it has an effective anti-ballistic missile shield; it doesn't. MAD is still in effect and that the maroons in the U.S. think it isn't, should scare the holy hell out of everybody.

Posted by: V. Arnold | Jun 16 2016 10:35 utc | 8

Would second V. Arnold's #7 and 8.

Also would add, the divergence between EU governance and its citizenry is chasmic, cannot be bridged. The difference being the European corporate media hasn't developed the information control over their subjects as has the monolingual U.S. media's 'persuasion', therefore the population in Europe is by far better informed than their Duhmerican counterparts. It is also instructive to watch the French 'security' forces appear in the same Robo-Cop gear as their U.S. counterparts. What ever brought them to that point?

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jun 16 2016 11:01 utc | 9

Definitely wreaks of "lead in". We were told to expect an "event" in Florida a week before. I have seen "alarms" going off for Poland and Estonia to "expect" trouble. Now this. Pattern keeps repeating because we collectively allow it to continue to work. As you stated, just like Tonkin. Rinse well, and repeat.

Posted by: MistyAnn | Jun 16 2016 11:26 utc | 10

After seeing a statement by OTAN's Stoltenberg on RT, I would surmise He and His EU Commission compatriots collectively have an IQ that is runner-up to a Turnip. From the same source, watching the Hollande governments political obduracy unfold, one would wonder if the president had ever considered his position? Polling slightly lower may expose himself to a Benito moment with a marketplace lamp post - he is certainly a goner if there is another election, but that is for the French to decide, for the rest of the world it is what is on offer for living in interesting times. [OTAN = Duhmerican NATO]

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jun 16 2016 11:55 utc | 11

Imagine if you read an article that showed the reverse: Russia authorizes military attack in response to cyber attacks. This would be considered Russian aggression.

Posted by: Musburger | Jun 16 2016 12:01 utc | 12

It's not necessary to point out, but people eat this stuff wholesale. Despite a crisis of faith in the press, the vast majority of people still get their information from outfits like the Post and those that regurgitate their material. While people decry the press, my impression is that this mistrust pertains to cut and dry political/election matters, with a firewall protecting the integrity of reporting international concerns of grave consequence. To be honest I didn't really see the angle 5-10 years ago. To be even more honest, I kind of wish I still didn't.

Posted by: IhaveLittleToAdd | Jun 16 2016 12:15 utc | 13

necessary evil we have been tought since kinder to hope for the end times and to hasten the return for the day when israel can be mighty again.
we should rejoice that we have such strong men as king bibi for he will protect us come the time of reckoning.
great days ahead for some retributaion for the nazi man.
israel will prevail no doubt if not in every embassy samson option as fall back a win win one could say.

Posted by: menechem golani | Jun 16 2016 12:43 utc | 14

Wapoo also rated Trumps claim of Obombas supporting terrorists with only 4 pinochios(instead of 5)so it must be totally true.(of course it is)
They also(milbank)called for a MSM boycott of Trump.I guess they are running scared,the Zionists.
Computer hacks by Russian agents on Trumps electoral prospects?
Trump for POTUS,hows that?

Posted by: dahoit | Jun 16 2016 12:45 utc | 15

Russia is the enemy du jour. While they're probably not saints, they do make a convenient opponent for the media to give us our Two Minute Hate (1984) and sidetrack us from truly bad problems here in the US.

Posted by: curtis | Jun 16 2016 12:48 utc | 16

They have leaked nothing that is not already available to anyone with access to Google, please...

Posted by: ralphieboy | Jun 16 2016 13:00 utc | 17

One wonders if the Washington Post scaremongering about alleged Russian cyber abilities was coordinated with that NATO announcement.

No, it is not. It is merely another spike in otherwise constant desperate media's, and NATO military-political bureaucracy's, bluster against the background of steady loss (if it ever was there) of conventional military capability. Even those morons cannot fail to understand ramifications of "deploying conventional" weapons against Russia, who is the only other nation in the world which can conventionally turn Brussels into the steaming pile of rubble in 30 minutes. Peer-to-peer framework is a bitch and NATO has no experience in it. Blowing third world shitholes to smithereens with stand off weapons with impunity is not viable serious military experience. But that is the only one they've got.

Posted by: SmoothieX12 | Jun 16 2016 13:10 utc | 18

SmoothieX12 | Jun 16, 2016 9:10:19 AM | 18

Russia's Putin has already put NATO on notice; one aggression (border invasion) and N.Y., D.C., LA, SF, and Seattle (to name a very few of the many times many, U.S. cities) are toast.
It cannot be more clear than that.
I do not know what mental deficiency the U.S. government's employee's suffer (in the end it doesn't matter), but sure as hell, they're dancing a fatal nuclear tango with their NATO allies.
Europe is a very sad case of lapdogitis to the U.S. hegemon, which will lead to a premature demise/death of tens of millions at the very least.

Posted by: V. Arnold | Jun 16 2016 13:33 utc | 19

As we all know this sick anti-russian hatred will lead to fullblown war, NATO, EU cannot simply wind down its own hatred.

Posted by: Robz | Jun 16 2016 13:40 utc | 20

Addendum: It needs to be said; for the first time, U.S. foreign aggression will come back to the U.S., as vast destruction and mass death of U.S. citizens. A direct result of U.S.'s foreign policy.
This will continue until the idiocy of the U.S. citizen's apathy and lack of critical thinking (redundant?) ends.

Posted by: V. Arnold | Jun 16 2016 13:47 utc | 21

Re: Posted by: MistyAnn | Jun 16, 2016 7:26:11 AM | 10

"We were told to expect an "event" in Florida a week before."


Send me the link. This I want to see. Who told you?

Posted by: Jules | Jun 16 2016 13:55 utc | 22

another aspect of the psyop against the US public is the notion that these quadrennial idiot fests matter. See! the Rooskies care enough about them to steal secrets from the parties. and why would they "steal" secrets from clinton? cuz they want Trump to win. the liberal press is pulling out all the stops to support the Hilbot, a la in some fantasy world they live in, the shootings in Orlando happened in "Trump's America."

Posted by: jason | Jun 16 2016 13:58 utc | 23

Does anyone know, is Jo Cox one of the Zio NWO sorts?

Posted by: Jules | Jun 16 2016 14:01 utc | 24

I would put nothing past the Soviet-like Obama govt/piece of shit at this point. His political operatives and PC thugs in the media warping and bending of the truth and reality is pathetic. Sadly at this point in time, I have no doubt that the current US ruling class would grimly, if not gladly, sacrifice it's own citizens to move the mass of inert Americans in the direction they wish them to go.

Posted by: farflungstar | Jun 16 2016 14:18 utc | 25

Oh my!
I suppose this might be a good time to suggest that there is hope for life on the planet ... just not human, or at least human seriously modified by radiation ... once the cancerous neo-whatevers get their war to end all?
Armageddon? Really folks ... the flying spaghetti monster hasn't said anything about that ...

Am I being sarcastic in the face of crisis? Well explain to me, aside from wringing my impotent hands, just what the heck I can do about it?

Posted by: rg the lg | Jun 16 2016 14:18 utc | 26

Whither goest Ukraine?

It seems once Kerry-Kohn agreed to backstop zIMFs $35B loan for zUK junks bonds, (anchored with $35B in former YUK Treasury bullion looted by the zUKim and transferred to zNY bank vaults) then the zCongress that clapped for Bibi until their fingernails bled dutifully stole $50B for said Kerry-Kohn backstop last July, (with $15B net left over for baaksheesh), that the bankruptcy of those zUK junk bonds, which is now ongoing, after aggregating and privatizing the best ag lands in Eastern Europe for zMonsanto, is subsumed beneath the daily Think-Speak of New Orlando's 5 Minutes of H8, makes no difference who you are, they will loot your last dollar of savings, and disappear you and your whole family if you try to resist.

We are that far gone....

Posted by: Uk Tahder | Jun 16 2016 14:21 utc | 27

I doubt very much that any legitimate hacker wants to be known as "2.0" of another.

"2.0" is a marketing gimmick, so we could well ask: why would someone want to employ this gimmick?

One possibility is manipulating public perception of the "1.0" hack. As the presumptive nominee, the DNC is now working to elect Hillary. Hillary can now be portrayed as a VICTIM of a concerted effort to derail her Presidential run.

Now, consider that MSM frequently mentions Trump's admiration for Putin(!).

I expect that we will see more efforts to link Putin and Trump and to drive home the notion that electing Trump means a Putin 'win'.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jun 16 2016 14:26 utc | 28

Re: Posted by: V. Arnold | Jun 16, 2016 9:33:20 AM | 19

"Europe is a very sad case of lapdogitis to the U.S. hegemon, which will lead to a premature demise/death of tens of millions at the very least."

Indeed it is, although Europeans do have a number of chances coming up to perhaps re-write the script.

Brexit next Thursday
Spanish Election a few days later.
French Presidential Election early next year.
Netherlands Parliamentary Elections next year.
Germany Election later next year.

And of course we have Hillary Clinton's coronation set for January 2017.

I think next year is the year.

German hosts the G20 next year as well and China joins the IMF top table later this year - 2017 being the first year it is fully there.

Given all this, I think 2017 shapes as the last year of hope, because if none of these decisions is overturned by the will of the people to unseat the dyed in the wool NWO types, there will not be any change at any of the key countries until 2020.

2017-2020 is far and away long enough for them to do their little "conflict" - and impose the NWO hegemony.

Also, given that, I will hold out some degree of hope through next year that someone will stand up, particularly in Europe, and stop the madness.

We have about 18 months....

Posted by: Jules | Jun 16 2016 14:28 utc | 29

Don't think NATO really wants hot war with Russia. They seem to think that as tensions escalate, Russia will at some point capitulate. This could be a BIG mistake.

Posted by: Vollin | Jun 16 2016 14:30 utc | 30

rg the lg

Unfortunately we all feel helpless today, no one out there for us, no poltical party nor any journalists, today one have to do this all him/herself, that is getting heard, write, influence people etcetera.

Posted by: Robz | Jun 16 2016 14:33 utc | 31

Where there's smoke there's fire...
There's not a smidgin of doubt that the Russians would be perping as much computer and database hacking as everyone else. Looking beyond the infantile lameness of the AmeriKKKan accusations, and focusing on the impotent & disprportianate anger and frustration, I'd bet $1 Million Bucks that the Russians have hacked something SO F***ING EMBARRASSING that the dumbass Yankees will never, ever, admit it...
... Until The 12th Of Never (and that's a long, long time).

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 16 2016 14:36 utc | 32

V. Arnold @ 21 "A direct result of U.S.'s foreign policy."

As is MOST of the Globe's turmoil.

Posted by: ben | Jun 16 2016 14:39 utc | 33

CrowdStrike co-founder and chief technology officer Dmitri Alperovitch is a "Senior Fellow" at the Atlantic Council. Nuff said. Clowns.

Posted by: CE | Jun 16 2016 14:40 utc | 34

On the other hand I've read at Xymphora that Assange is promising to blow Hillary and her campaign out of the water; and I've read in the MoA comments that Russia and Malaysia are planning to blow the MH 17 balderdash out of the water. So this story could be a "seemed like a good idea at the time" attempt to pre-empt one of those stories or (gasp) something even worse. And truthier.
When you think about it, AmeriKKKa probably has more Dirty Little Secrets that everyone else on the planet (with the "Israelis" a close second).

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 16 2016 14:46 utc | 35

islam hates gays lgbt rights do not even compute.
as for isis they are even worse isis does indeed embrace omar mateen he was a sleeper secret agent in the usa.
part of the huge caliphate nexus in the usa isis claimed orlando responibility godamit.
isis leads the world in anti gay and lgbt violence killing gays by throwing them off buildings and down wells.
and other nasty ways to wicked to expose here
this hate must end we must protect the gays
they must be allowed to do as they wilt that must be all the law

Omar Mateen was gay. Isis claimed responsibility for the attacks, Omar Mateen was a soldier of the Caliphate = Amaq Media. ISIS = Anti-Gay. Amaq Media = Site Intelligence Group. Site Intelligence Group =Rita Katz. Rita Katz = ISIS. ISIS = Bullshit. Orlando Shootings = Bullshit.

Posted by: charles drake | Jun 16 2016 14:58 utc | 36

My 2 cents of this picture – follow the money (war is a profitable racket) and the dots. As the global economy and insolvent western financial system continue to implode some people are in search of a war real badly.

I am with b. coupling this WAPo garbage and NATO”s stupidity.

“I am afraid that such propaganda will one day be used as another Gulf of Tonkin fake to start a war. NATO is already preparing the public for such a move: “

And, and, could these 2, not so coincidental pieces, be pre-emptive?

Stories abound that Russia is debating whether or not to release the highly classified docs found on the HRC’s private email servers!!

So if they are ever released, don’t you dare! ~ you have given us proof and met our redline to release the dogs of war.

End of mankind into nuclear winter.

Has anyone as yet determined what was Obama’s messaging to Mr. Putin that he would be more flexible after his 2012 re-(s) election? Post election events don"t add up.

Posted by: likklemore | Jun 16 2016 15:21 utc | 37

You will all be shocked when Russian tanks stream through the Fulda gap and Russian soldiers slit all our throats while we are in bed. NATO is militarizing the Black Sea and surrounding Russia and China, this is crazy, I thought Rasmussen was a joke, but Stoltenberg is straight out of Dr Strangelove.

Posted by: harrylaw | Jun 16 2016 15:26 utc | 38

Peer-to-peer framework is a bitch and NATO has no experience in it. Blowing third world shitholes to smithereens with stand off weapons with impunity is not viable serious military experience. But that is the only one they've got.
Posted by: SmoothieX12 | Jun 16, 2016 9:10:19 AM | 18

Yep. Q.E.D.
(when Rachel Ruble or Quint DeLoach are on the CCTV NewsDesk, and a Stoltenberg rant has finished, they give the camera a vestigal wink - which suggests that China, like Russia, thinks NATO is a some kind of White Man's Burden joke).

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 16 2016 15:41 utc | 39

the msm russian/putin hatefest continues unabated.. it doesn't matter the details as most of it is outright lying..

@28 jackrabbit.. yeah - tying trump to putin is clearly in the works.. that and an october surprise to ensure clinton gets in as we edge closer to ww3..

i see the usual hasbara bots working the comment section again today..

Posted by: james | Jun 16 2016 15:44 utc | 40

George F. Kennan 1950

murkka the WARfare nation,

*Were the Soviet Union to sink tomorrow under the waters of the ocean, the American military-industrial establishment would have to go on, substantially unchanged, until some other adversary could be invented. Anything else would be an unacceptable shock to the American economy.

Posted by: denk | Jun 16 2016 15:49 utc | 41

well b,
u aint seen nuthin yet,
*China is being targeted with an even greater and more malicious force than Russia. * [1]

this example just tip of an iceberg !

read the comments of julie and linda, see how the assholes in washington are setting people against people while they laugh all the way to the bank !!!


Posted by: denk | Jun 16 2016 16:05 utc | 42

The West is building up an invasion force on the Russian border to be ready to invade if hybrid war western subversion in Russia can bring disorder and chaos like what happened in Russia in the 1990's. NATO would then invade followed by the paramilitaries that are being created. The latter would slaughter Russians behind the invading NATO army like they did behind the invading Nazi Wehrmacht.

Russians see clearly that the US is following in the footsteps of the Nazis - for that is what the US is - the Nazi rogue state of the 21st century. This century will not be the American century. It will be the century when humanity puts down the US rabid dog that threatens all humanity with catastrophe.

Posted by: AriusArmenian | Jun 16 2016 16:14 utc | 43

I agree that cyberwarfare exacerbates the potential for false flag attacks by orders of magnitude, and that’s scary and may be the most worrisome problem here. But I don’t agree that the threat of a cyberattack or an actual cyberattack could never be a valid cause for preemptive or retaliatory non-cyber, conventional attacks.

For instance, if Iran had been powerful enough to pull it off, I’m not sure that a retaliatory conventional attack on the Government of Yisrael for Stuxnet wouldn’t have been justified. Of course, GOY could just as well use the same argument to falsely claim IRI is about to launch a cyberattack on GOY and use that claim to justify nuking IRI.

If country A has intel that militarily weaker country B has the capability and is planning to use cyber means to bring A’s military to its knees, then A really has no choice but to eliminate the threat by whatever means is most expedient.

So I can see Stoltenberg’s point; it’s probably been NATO policy for decades. What I can’t see is the point of going public with it. What’s he trying to do, scare off all of these cyber-armies with PR and braggadocio ?

MistyAnn | Jun 16, 2016 7:26:11 AM | 10: We were told to expect an "event" in Florida a week before.

That’s a very troubling assertion given the lone-wolf narrative we’ve been fed. I second Jules, please reveal your source.

IhaveLittleToAdd | Jun 16, 2016 8:15:38 AM | 13: To be honest I didn't really see the angle 5-10 years ago. To be even more honest, I kind of wish I still didn't.

You sure ain’t alone there.

V. Arnold | Jun 16, 2016 9:33:20 AM | 19: Putin has already put NATO on notice; one aggression (border invasion) and N.Y., D.C., LA, SF, and Seattle (to name a very few of the many times many, U.S. cities) are toast.

Whoa, dude! Putin has threatened 5 US cities???? Please reveal your source.

Posted by: Denis | Jun 16 2016 16:16 utc | 44

i posted the following at atimes 5min ago,
now i go back its gone !
the mod there are very fast workers ,


after reading the posts of julie and linda etc., im lost for words.
such is the power of washington's brainwashing !

boys and girls,
have u ever heard of the bogus iraq wmd, sinking of the maine, gulf of tonkin,
'assad gassed his own people' fraud, gadaffi 'massacre unarmed protestors' bs............?

do u know that bill getz hails from the moonie owned washington times, a notorious right wing rag specialising in china demonisation ?

are u aware that the so-called 'tam massacre', 'tibet genocide', 'chinese invasion of india 1962', 'china's coup attempt in indonesia 1965',...have all been debunked decades ago ???

what makes u think that bill getz and his 'source' in cia are telling u the truth this time ?

those who consider their critical faculties still intact , it behooves u to at least take a look at some antidotes to cia disinfo. then u decide how much this is true, how much is distortion, how much is outright fabrication ?
as for me, i'd say take it with a huge pinch of salt at the very least.

for a start, do a search on,

*Russia And China Have To Step UP Ideological War* by Andre Vltchek

*The West Perfecting Its Techniques To Hurt China* by andre vltchek,

*Connecting the Dots: Mass murder in Haiti, plane madness in the skies* by sott editors,

*Neocons’ Hegelian-Style War against the Post-9/11 World - War against Islam, Russia, China and Iran *
by Joachim Hagopian [a westpoint alumni]

i do not post links, cuz once i do that it goes to the mod and never see the daylight !


seems even if i dont post live links,
the mods there are on 24x7 standby to remove
any 'offending' posts.

Posted by: denk | Jun 16 2016 16:18 utc | 45

good nite b,

thank you for tolerating my rants all these yrs.

Posted by: denk | Jun 16 2016 16:26 utc | 46

@19, V Arnold

Putin would never threaten, especially with nuclear weapons and, especially so, with listing specific US cities. Throughout the whole ordeal Russia consistently remained opened to dialogue with US (NATO) and demonstrated that on a number of occasions. In some sense, through different means, Russia is in the mode of what could be defined as how Russia stated her main strategic aims in the war with Georgia on 08-08-08--"Prinuzhdenie k miru", literally Coercing into peace, with US it also adds another element--settlement. Not only threatening is not a good way of conducting international relations (or any relations, for that matter) but it could be extremely counter-productive, especially against the country which is in a state of feverish sensitivity to own "exceptionalism". On the other hand, demonstrating military capabilities, especially when using them for a good end, such as killing ISIS, is a very good reminder on the virtues of being restrained and receptive to others opinion. As for militant rhetoric and grandiose statements coming out of US and European Capitols--in increasingly virtual reality world of "Western" politics, the substance is of no concern anymore.

Posted by: SmoothieX12 | Jun 16 2016 16:46 utc | 47

We will see more with the upcoming Wikileaks publications. I don’t expect any big surprises or any actions.

It seems to be ‘that any excuse for war’ is good to go.

Paveway wrote:

We'll see how long Congress and the rest of the U.S. government lasts if it tries to send our sons and daughters to their deaths overseas somewhere because either the U.S. or some NATO lapdog, got HACKED. It's beyond preposterous.

I wish that were true, and all US citizens just refuse to go to any murderous killing fields party as not in their interests. Remember lies about Iraq, Afgh, etc. - soldiers, grunts, are captive and that is it. Women are to be ‘drafted’ as well, maybe.. (link.)

Putin as we know ! :) is a green-clawed monster, running Russia under a vicious, lying, dictatorship, building an empire, grasping for personal gains, trying to re-make the USSR (similar > Saddam, Kadafi, etc.)

Ppl fall for the propaganda everytime, they have no solid info and can’t give up their meagre pay, their allegiance to overlords, their status as coerced trapped serfs, their desperate hope of doing the best for themselves and their families, or just stayin’ alive, gotta risk it, heh, might be baaad…… And off they go to kill with impunity. To kill others so that they can stay alive. (see V. Arnold also.)

mom-mom i love you marcie take care of the kids i love you god be with you i love you i’m ..

.. tweet (invented.)

Posted by: Noirette | Jun 16 2016 16:50 utc | 48

IMO, this is intended to immunize HRC from the upcoming email dump at Wikileaks. That too is being attributed to the Russians (w/o any real evidence). I expect the narrative to be that "those evil Russkies are messing with the 'Murican electoral process! Pay no attention! Look! Trump!"

Posted by: shargash | Jun 16 2016 17:46 utc | 49


Remember this was Stotltenberg in the 80s. Anti-Nato.

* And last but not least, in the mid 1980’s while Jens Stoltenberg was leader of the AUF (Labour Youth) he went on record stating that he was an opponent of NATO and urged the Norwegian Government at the time to withdraw from the military alliance. I guess he has since changed his mind ;^)

Posted by: Robz | Jun 16 2016 17:51 utc | 50

NATO is looking to further reinforce the Black Sea region despite Russia’s warning it is prepared to neutralize any perceived threats to its security there.

The alliance is already set to strengthen its eastern flank with four new multinational battalions in Poland and the Baltics, countries that have expressed concern at the increased activity of Russian forces near their borders. In 2014, NATO announced it would open two communication centres in Bulgaria and Romania, also Black Sea allies, staffed with 40 personnel each.

U.S. and Western forces have come close to Russian forces in the Black Sea over the last year, although their presence off the Bulgarian and Romanian ports has remained limited and rotational. Russia has proved sensitive about the region, which was once dominated by Soviet allies.

According to NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg the alliance is looking to strengthen its Black Sea assets, although he did not reveal any details.

“We are looking into how we can increase our presence in the Black Sea region,” Stoltenberg said at a press conference before a meeting of defense ministers in Brussels Tuesday. “We have already increased our presence with more air-policing, with assurance measures, with more naval presence and more exercises.

“But we are also looking into what more we can do. And we are discussing and addressing an offer from Romania that they can provide the framework, the headquarters for a brigade which can then organize and facilitate NATO activities in the region, including exercises and also assurance measures.”

Russia’s ministry of foreign affairs reacted negatively to Stoltenberg’s words, with its director on European affairs, Andrey Kelin, telling news agency Interfax that Russia was concerned NATO’s presence in the Black Sea would be “destabilizing.”

“This is not NATO’s maritime space and it has no relation to the alliance,” Kelin said of the Black Sea. “To our knowledge, NATO is really considering a presence in the Black Sea region, in response to calls from some countries, particularly Romania.”

NATO currently has three members with access to the Black Sea, including two prospective members in Ukraine and Georgia. The peninsula of Crimea, annexed by Russia from Ukraine in 2014 and Georgia’s separatist region of Abkhazia, which Russia supports, are both on the Black Sea.

Posted by: okie farmer | Jun 16 2016 18:10 utc | 51

Here it is formerly Russia Today

Guccifer 2.0 releases ...

Posted by: somebody | Jun 16 2016 18:21 utc | 52

Yep, Stoltenberg is straight out of Dr Strangelove

Posted by: okie farmer | Jun 16 2016 18:44 utc | 53

Hacking is now a causus belli for military action?

So the release of Stuxnet, and the actions of NSA and GCHQ are now admitted acts of war? /rhetorical

Posted by: Yonatan | Jun 16 2016 18:44 utc | 54

Settle down. I wouldn't take everything verbatim. Quite frankly, its rather a piss poor attempt at a shirtfront.

Posted by: Andy V | Jun 16 2016 18:59 utc | 55

Switzerland Withdraws Longstanding Application To Join EU (RT)
The upper house of the Swiss parliament on Wednesday voted to invalidate its 1992 application to join the European Union, backing an earlier decision by the lower house. The vote comes just a week before Britain decides whether to leave the EU in a referendum Twenty-seven members of the upper house, the Council of States, voted to cancel Switzerland’s longstanding EU application, versus just 13 senators against. Two abstained. In the aftermath of the vote, Switzerland will give formal notice to the EU to consider its application withdrawn, the country’s foreign minister, Didier Burkhalter, was quoted as saying by Neue Zürcher Zeitung. The original motion was introduced by the conservative Swiss People’s Party MP, Lukas Reimann.

It had already received overwhelming support from legislators in the lower house of parliament in March, with 126 National Council deputies voting in favor, and 46 against. Thomas Minder, counsellor for the state of Schaffhausen and an active promoter of the concept of “Swissness,” said he was eager to “close the topic fast and painlessly” as only “a few lunatics” may want to join the EU now, he told the newspaper. Hannes Germann, also representing Schaffhausen, highlighted the symbolic importance of the vote, comparing it to Iceland’s decision to drop its membership bid in 2015. “Iceland had the courage and withdrew the application for membership, so no volcano erupted,” he said, jokingly.

Posted by: okie farmer | Jun 16 2016 19:01 utc | 56
Polls show Britain's EU 'Out' campaign pulls ahead as referendum nears

British support for leaving the European Union has surged, according to two telephone opinion surveys published a week before the June 23 referendum, with one pollster putting support for "Leave" at a more than three-year high.

The Ipsos MORI poll of 1,257 adults across Britain from June 11-14 showed 51 percent of all voters wanted to leave the bloc and 49 percent wanted to stay.

But, when filtered for those likely and registered to vote, the poll showed 53 percent would vote to leave and 47 to remain - the highest support for the 'Leave' campaign recorded by the pollster in more than three years.

Posted by: okie farmer | Jun 16 2016 19:13 utc | 57

okie 56, this was a symbolic move, in the pipes for a long time, in any case CH will never join the EU, that is dead stinking fish since the early 90s. Withdrawing this one letter (requesting joining the EU) has wound its way thru the pol system - only one party, the Socialists, wanted to maintain it, along the lines of Tsipras, Yanis V., Podemos (Spain) and so on, and they have been finally ..vanquised, after a long fight.

The timing is not adjusted to the Brexit matter, but ppl here feel, hey, maybe the Brits will pay attention to the Swiss ! (it is of no importance.)

Posted by: Noirette | Jun 16 2016 19:22 utc | 58
Why Brexit Is Such a Threat to the New World Order
By Pam Martens and Russ Martens: June 16, 2016
Mark Carney, BOE Governor, Testifying Before Parliament on June 24, 2014
Mark Carney, BOE Governor, Testifying Before Parliament

If you think that a referendum vote on June 23 by UK citizens on whether to withdraw from the European Union (called Brexit, short for British Exit), is simply a proxy on whether the UK should dislodge itself from the edicts of Brussels, think again. It’s morphed into a much broader debate on whether citizens worldwide should surrender their right to a participatory democracy in order to further the interests of multinational corporations, secret trade agreements packed with secret court tribunals, global banking hegemony and central banks attempting to keep all these balls in the air for their one percent overlords.

One particular central bank is sure to come under fire today. Members of the British Parliament have been warning Mark Carney, head of the Bank of England (BOE), to not engage in political lobbying on the issue of Brexit, which he is perceived to have been doing for months. Carney is already the subject of skepticism in the U.K. He’s a former Goldman Sachs executive, former Governor of the Bank of Canada and the first foreigner to run the BOE in its 300-year history. (This is reminiscent to many of how Stanley Fischer, head of Israel’s central bank from May 2005 until the end of June 2013 and before that a Citigroup Vice Chairman who was born in Zambia, is now Vice Chairman of the U.S. central bank, the Federal Reserve.)

Continuity government at central banks, like continuity government in the Oval Office, helps to ensure the perpetuation of a positive unified message on globalization as the realities of an institutionalized wealth transfer system to the one percent comes into ever greater focus by those paying attention.

Carney appears to have spit in the eye of Parliament again today with the release of the BOE’s Monetary Policy Committee statement, which was filled with a litany of horrors on what could happen if the UK leaves the European Union.
There is no question that mega banks and stock markets controlled by the mega banks’ financing of margin loans are throwing a Brexit tantrum in much the same way they threw taper tantrums when the U.S. Federal Reserve hinted it would be ending its previous Quantitative Easing program, i.e., buying up their piles of toxic debt. Global banks are accustomed to cracking their whips and throwing market tantrums until they get their way. Jamie Dimon, Chairman and CEO of JPMorgan Chase even had the temerity to visit the U.K. earlier this month and threaten his workers there with job losses if they voted in favor of Brexit. JPMorgan’s frequent partner in crime, Citigroup, has also warned workers of job cuts if the Brexit vote succeeds.
Other central bankers are also doing their part to shore up the scare campaign. Yesterday, Fed Chair Janet Yellen along with the heads of the Bank of Canada, Bank of Japan and Swiss central bank all alluded to disruptions to the global economy if the U.K. leaves the European Union.

What these central bankers and mega banks really seem to be saying is that referendums where citizens actually get to vote on shaping their democracy and economic destiny don’t fit neatly with our plans for the new world order.

Posted by: okie farmer | Jun 16 2016 19:22 utc | 59

Hillary Clinton’s campaign isn’t considering primary rival Bernie Sanders as her running mate, but is actively looking at Sen. Elizabeth Warren, whose populist politics line up closely with Mr. Sanders, people familiar with the process said.

The vetting remains in its early stages. So far, potential candidates have been scrutinized using publicly available information. The Clinton team hasn’t asked anyone to submit tax returns or other personal information, one of the people said. Conversations with Mrs. Clinton herself about options are just now beginning.

Posted by: okie farmer | Jun 16 2016 19:56 utc | 60

War, eh?

Here in the Great State of Texas, I've started to mention to friends: "Do you know that Russia can destroy the United States in 1 hour? And it has weapons that our defenses cannot intercept?"

I'm waiting to find some one who actually wants to take this claim up and ask for proof, rather than simply argue from ignorance (which I don't attempt to refute). If somebody wants proof of these claims I'll send them to Orlov's Russian Warning and the Saker's How Russia is preparing for WWIII.

Very soon the narrative needs to change from being "War with Russia" to "War on US Soil".

It's time the US population began to understand the new realities. As each day goes by, Russia's military capability grows and that of the west diminishes. And the resolve of the Russian people to fight the west if attacked or unconscionably provoked grows. Against these new realities the lies of propaganda become increasingly irrelevant and ineffective.

As a commentator said recently, we live in madness because MAD has disappeared from western thinking. Yet MAD is still present, although it may be that the US would now fail in a nuke strike against Russia. There is no doubt Russia would succeed against the US. So maybe MAD is gone because the destruction is no longer mutually assured. So maybe MAD doesn't need to come back. But the populace of the US needs to understand how close they are to the following scene (quoting from Saker):

If the AngloZionist ‘deep state’ is really delusional enough to trigger a war with Russia, in Europe or elsewhere, the narcissistic and hedonistic West, drunk on its own propaganda and hubris, will discover a level of violence and warfare it cannot even imagine and if that only affected those responsible for these reckless and suicidal policies it would be great. But the problem is, of course, that many millions of us, simple, regular people, will suffer and die as a consequence of our collective failure to prevent that outcome. I hope and pray that my repeated warnings will at least contribute to what I hope is a growing realization that this folly has to be immediately stopped and that sanity must return to politics.

"... a level of violence and warfare it cannot even imagine"

Posted by: Grieved | Jun 16 2016 20:03 utc | 61

MistyAnn@10: ""We were told to expect an "event" in Florida a week before."
Jules@22: "Wow. Send me the link. This I want to see. Who told you?"

I see MistyAnn hasn't replied yet, so I'll toss this out for everyone. They may be referring to the Telegram (an obscure messaging app) announcement by the (supposedly) pro-ISIS United Cyber Caliphate(UCC). The UCC is, in reality, a mix of junior high school kids, 'radical' hackers, Mossad/DHS/FBI agents and possibly even an ISIS wanna-be nutjob or two. No serious ISIS member would ever use Telegram or the UCC to announce anything - the intelligence and security agencies no doubt have everyone in this fake terrorist organization either under surveillance or on payroll.

The supposed June 8th warning was covered in this CBS12 (West Palm Beach) article:

ISIS Hackers Respond To U.S. Cyberattacks With Threat
"#Expect the Islamic state #SOON," hackers said in a post on Telegram

Vocativ is mentioned. This source deserves a story in and of itself. It's an on-line new media site that purports to scan the 'deep web' (scared, yet?) to bring you the really secret news that all the evil villains, drug dealers and cyber hackers are talking about. Vocativ is an extraordinarily odd Tel Aviv/NYC co-located outfit apparently primarily staffed by Israeli/Jewish social media analysts - not that it matters.

Vocativ's bread and butter is evidence of the threat of ISIS/Palestinian/Russian terrorism - as evidenced by their supposed deep web scouring. Their main purpose in life seems to be to fit all of us helpless terror victims with protective DHS monitoring/shock collars, along with pledges of a guarantee for continuous stream of funding for the MIC and the Israeli Security 'industry'. Oh, and they have some tech/gadget stuff, and they want you to vote for Hillary.

The MSM is starting to source Vocativ more and more as if it has a shred of credibility (but don't let my personal bias affect your thoughtful consideration this Mossad mouthpiece). Either the MSM or sources like Vocativ usually dig up various so-called terrorist experts to buttress the latest ISIS threat du jour. For the UCC hitlist piece linked above, you have "Former FBI agent-turned lawyer Stuart Kaplan" to add his wisdom. Some versions of the article also cite Walid Shoebat who - as far as I can tell - is some kind of former Palestinian/ISIS terrorist turned good guy and BFF with Israel that makes paid speeches to government and military types. Go figure.

I don't doubt Vocativ's claim of the UCC threat on Telegraph. But since a sixth-grade hacker in Boise, Idaho could just as well have posted it (or maybe some FBI/DHS stooge) and Vocativ can find any number of shill experts to add to the terrorist paranoia, well...

I would expect cyber psyop fronts like Vocativ to have plenty of evidence if the U.S. government or NATO every rolls out the Russian/Chinese hack-attack canard.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Jun 16 2016 20:09 utc | 62

After reading the donors list from Guccifer, should not E. Warren withdraw her support for Clinton? "In Orange County, businessman Kareem Ahmed is facing manslaughter charges over a $100 million insurance fraud case that resulted in the death of an infant. Former Long Beach hospital executive Michael Drobot pleaded guilty in 2014 to paying kickbacks to doctors who performed risky spine surgeries covered by workers’ compensation insurance."

Posted by: Daisee | Jun 16 2016 20:22 utc | 63

Link to the Telegram app site. Telegram is a cloud-based messaging system with encryption and storage. It's geared for smartphones, but can be used on any computer as well. Kind of a mix between Twitter and Facebook if you have no idea what this stuff is.

Telegram gives the impression of security and privacy with its encryption features. More conspiracy-minded folk figure it's just a honeypot meant to trap/spy on users who feel the need for security and privacy. It was started by the Durov brothers of Russia who - along with others - founded VK or VKontakt, the Russian answer to Facebook. One of the brothers was accused of selling VK info to the Russian state security - the FSB. Not sure if they're still associated with it.

Telegram is headquartered in Berlin, so everyone figures the Durov brothers have now sold out to the NSA or the west in general for this application. Israel often comes up with Telegram scandals (like Vocativ above), so it's not hard to imagine Shabak and Mossad ALSO have direct lines into the goods. Not hard to imagine, that is, if you happen to be one of those dangerous conspiracy terrorists.

Good Americans don't believe conspiracies and trust their government. God bless America!

Posted by: PavewayIV | Jun 16 2016 20:33 utc | 64

thanks paveway... information warfare 101.. jesus - lord help those too thick to figure it out..

Posted by: james | Jun 16 2016 20:40 utc | 65

@ all, off topic but I just watched a good documentary about the big mess that is the war in Afghanistan. Well made.

Posted by: bored muslim | Jun 16 2016 20:49 utc | 66

The War Drums: A distraction or more serious?

Israel”s HAARETZ has this article titled: Russia 'Mobilizing for War' Warns Canadian Intelligence Report

The article cites the CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation) reporting so on Tuesday.

Notice the misleading title? Important to read that the so called “Report” by the Canadian Security Intelligence Services - the Canadian government intelligence agency – [is] based on research by outsiders rather than its own assessment, warning that Russian President Vladimir Putin's hard-line policies were becoming "more deeply entrenched," as the CBC put it, and that "Moscow is retooling its military for a fight" and possibly "mobilizing for war."

(emphasis added)

And what of NATO"s role?

Posted by: likklemore | Jun 16 2016 21:17 utc | 67

To me, the NATO response to cyber attacks and the DNC attack are two separate issues. If they are conflated, it is only TPTB misleading us for political gain. Keep your eyes on the 'prize'!

Much nefarious activity has already occurred in an effort to secure that 'prize':

> 'Wiping' of Hillary's email server

> Bernie's pulled punches
Silence after State Dept IG Report, etc.

> Obama Administration support for Hillary

> DNC-Hillary collusion
Financial support, voting irregularities, etc.

> Republican establishment/neocons siding with Hillary
Bad enough that Trump now says that he might run independently;

And don't forget previous political manipulations meant to retain power like:

> IRS scandal
Obama Administration targeted potential adversaries

> Benghazi lies
There was no 'spontaneous demonstration' over an anti-Muslim video - but there WAS an election 2 months later.

Given this backdrop, it is natural to be skeptical of the DNC cyber attack (see @28) AS WELL AS the Orlando attack.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jun 16 2016 21:22 utc | 68

Meanwhile on the 'home' combat front ...

Mayor Rahm Emanuel and his like banned guns in Chiraq. So how is that working out?

Year to Date
Shot & Killed: 261
Shot & Wounded: 1465
Total Shot: 1726
Total Homicides: 292

Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

Posted by: ALberto | Jun 16 2016 21:24 utc | 69

Israel was blamed for at least part of the responsibility for Stuxnet because the lines of code had language that could most easily be attributed to Israel.

After the reports that Israel and the U.S. were both involved in Stuxnet, I don't think anyone denied the reports.

Posted by: lysias | Jun 16 2016 21:36 utc | 70

@67 likklemore.. canada may as well take it's cue from the wapo, lol... keystone cops are presently running canada.. yesterdays headlines in the globe and mail 'ottawa opens door to magnitsky-type law' and 'canada ranks as the no. 2 arms dealer to the middle east'... the usa says jump and mini trudeau asks 'how high'? i thought harper was bad, but maybe this liberal gov't will be able to out do them..

Posted by: james | Jun 16 2016 22:06 utc | 71

"Some snakeoil salesmen convinced the Washington Post know-nothing reporter and the DNC that it all must be true."

I rather think that the DNC itself was the snakeoil salesman.

As in "We had a lot of very incriminating information on Donald Trump but the dog ate it."

It's another twofer: Incriminate Donald Trump through the lack of incriminating evidence and incriminate Russia though having no incriminating evidence. All there is here is naked assertion.

As to a Gussifer connection, that is naked assertion, too. Whoever posed as Gussifer defused the Russia connection thoroughly and as best I've read didn't have any incriminating information on Trump.

Posted by: Macon Richardson | Jun 16 2016 23:22 utc | 72

Paveway @ 62
The Vocativ article you cite is from April. I think maybe you posted the wrong link and meant to post this one from June 8

Posted by: Joanne Leon | Jun 17 2016 0:06 utc | 73

I read an article, posted at Tom Dispatch by Rebecca Gordon. The content I suggest you consider. First, look it up; second, read every word; third, give it at least week before you even think about saying anything.

Briefly it asks who is really at fault for the behavior of the United States to not only other countries, but also to the 'incarceration' state we find ourselves in?

The answer is simple, and it is true. We are all complicit ... you and I ... even newborn Americans.
There are no innocents.

If you carefully read every word on this blog - words you wrote - then you will see that we are very busy blaming and not accepting blame. I doubt this will do more than cause people to refuse to admit their complicity, but to rationalize each and every one of their thoughts and personal behavior.

Posted by: rg the lg | Jun 17 2016 0:16 utc | 74

#74 rg the lg, there's a fine little eBook that will help your convince people of their complicity. It's here.

Posted by: CE | Jun 17 2016 0:41 utc | 75

rg the lg | Jun 16, 2016 8:16:24 PM | 74

A song I've been singing for decades; yes, we're all complicit; every manjack one of us. And we're too fucking stupid to figure that out. Blame, blame other. Scared shitless to actually look in a mirror of our souls.
When I realized there was no possibility, in fact, to change course; I got the fuck out!
I gained some respite and maybe a better life style, but there is no escaping the hegemon once the nukes fly.
We (U.S. citizens) could still stop the idiocy, but it would require blood, lots of blood in the streets because we've allowed this to go on far too long; but we have no will to change the course of our lives. Cowardice is the only word which comes to mind...

Posted by: V. Arnold | Jun 17 2016 0:58 utc | 76

NYT BREAKING: Dozens of U.S. Diplomats, in Memo, Urge Strikes Against Syria’s Assad.

WASHINGTON — More than 50 State Department diplomats have signed an internal memo sharply critical of the Obama administration’s policy in Syria, urging the United States to carry out military strikes against the government of President Bashar al-Assad to stop its persistent violations of a cease-fire in the country’s five-year-old civil war.

The memo, a draft of which was provided to The New York Times by a State Department official, says American policy has been “overwhelmed” by the unrelenting violence in Syria. It calls for “a judicious use of stand-off and air weapons, which would undergird and drive a more focused and hard-nosed U.S.-led diplomatic process.”

WRT hackers, Russian or otherwise -- I can see amateurs seeing what they can find (particularly after the Donor List kerfuffle with the Sanders staff being given "inadvertent" access to donor lists ... and Clinton's private server security issues) ... I can't really imagine why The Russians (government/putin) would have much interest ... they undoubtedly have their own files going back decades ...

Trump says the DNC actually "leaked" their own files ... and it's all old and it's all lies -- because he's a compulsive liar, self-aggrandizer who is in meltdown mode ... The DNC gathered that material in theory to use it ... I doubt it was "Top Secret" even within their organization, particularly since so little was surprising.

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Jun 17 2016 1:13 utc | 77

MOST important reason: the story provides COVER FOR HILLARY CLINTON, when it turns out that her email was hacked and foreign actors gained Top Secret information. Now DNC can be blamed, instead of the individual Presidential Candidate Hillarator Wolverine in Sheep's Clothing. DNC takes the fall and saves the Queen of Clinton Dynasty.

Posted by: Amir | Jun 17 2016 1:23 utc | 78

Re: Me naming specific cities in the U.S.; that was me, not Pres. Putin, but; Pres. Putin did say nukes will fly if any Russian borders are crossed and the U.S. will be hit. This is in response to Operation Anakonda going on in Poland, Rumania, and the Balkan's.
Read Russia Insider, The Duran, Sputnik, and The Saker for genuine information re: the Hegemon and its actions.
U.S. citizens are pathetically uninformed...

Posted by: V. Arnold | Jun 17 2016 1:23 utc | 79

Joanne Leon@73 - Yes, thank you, Joanne. The link I posted was suppose to explain who/what the United Cyber Caliphate was and the fact that they were currently under cyber attack by the U.S. Department of Defense's Cyber Command. The link I left out was the June 8th article you posted. From that article:

"...Earlier this week, Vocativ discovered that the group distributed a “kill” list that appeared to include dozens of U.S. government personnel—people linked to the State Department, the Department of Homeland Security and the departments of defense, energy, commerce and health and services..."

The June 8th article was specifically about the 600 or so people on that list, many thought to be from the West Palm Beach County and the Treasure Coast (Port St. Lucie or Martin County) area. That area is roughly the top of the Miami-Ft. Lauderdale metropolitan area and northwards - think 'the rich areas north along the coast from Miami-Ft. Lauderdale. Some have also characterized this area as the very wealthy and very Jewish sixth borough of New York because of all the ex-NYC transplants that settle there. Plenty of .gov and mil retirees there as well. A Miami newspaper could have easily done the same thing, raising the spectre of 'some' of the people on the kill list being from Miami.

The West Palm Beach area is dozens of miles south and east of central Florida's Orlando, so not really any kind of direct or localized warning. And doubtful if any of the 8000 Americans on the UCC's kill list were at the Orlando club. In fact, the only reason the article came out is because some of the people on the list were from Florida, and some *may* have been from the West Palm Beach area. The local media checked with the FBI and Country Sheriffs, who merely said they knew about the list.

So, this article was only another vague and specious ISIS threat based on some government personnel list they acquired earlier this year. Orlando, Florida was not specifically targeted - the local media in West Palm Beach merely raised the issue with 'the experts' and law enforcement June 8th because some Florida residents would have been on the list. It appears unconnected with the night club or potential Disney World attack, other than the tenuous and questionable connection to ISIS.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Jun 17 2016 2:03 utc | 80

@all, if Russia or China wanted to do some serious hacking. They would hack the U.S Federal Food Stamp Program, and shut it down completely.

Then we will see how long before major riots ensue.

Posted by: bored muslim | Jun 17 2016 2:07 utc | 81

I guess the hacks and leaks are taking a toll on the leadership of the US and EU. Wonderful.

That said this statement is one the stupidest they've made yet and that is truly something considering their track record.

Posted by: Alaric | Jun 17 2016 2:16 utc | 82

@rg the lg | Jun 16, 2016 8:16:24 PM | 74

...All I can say to that is, with very few minor exceptions, we are deluded, rapacious and vicious when it comes to the all sacrosanct "I" of American political posturing! Yes, I am saying that YOU ARE THE PROBLEM! (Frankly, so am I) because we don't go buy some pitchforks and slam them into the nearest politician ... remove the pitchfork and use it on the next available politician ... they all pander to what is wrong ... and they'll be replaced by those just like them (maybe and probably you too.)...

..we are very busy blaming and not accepting blame. I doubt this will do more than cause people to refuse to admit their complicity, but to rationalize each and every one of their thoughts and personal behavior...

What the heck are we waiting for? Let get the pitchforks, march down City Halls and put up roadblocks, just as the Separatists did in early 2014 in Donetsk after Maiden, Ukraine.

Let me remind you again I'm a passive, pacifist and also a teetotaler.

Posted by: Jack Smith | Jun 17 2016 2:29 utc | 83

I see no ends in sight "Gulf of Tonkin" yesterday and tomorrow morning (after Nov 2016). Regardless who the warmonger-in-chief, Russia and China will be next. Russia is no pussyfoot, she will retaliate with everything she got and China will follow suit. Amen.

Posted by: Jack Smith | Jun 17 2016 2:42 utc | 84

Susan Sunflower@77 - The article would just be sad if it wasn't true. These are U.S. State Department employees responsible for all international relations:

"...It [the memo] calls for “a judicious use of stand-off and air weapons, which would undergird and drive a more focused and hard-nosed U.S.-led diplomatic process.”..."

Didn't anyone tell these treasonous R2Per PNAC dual-citizen Israeli-firster neocon terroristic State Department chickenhawks that they LOST their illegal coup attempt in Syria? The FSA is gone (mostly to al Nusra or ISIS). They are not going to force Assad to negotiate a surrender because HE is WINNING against the various ZATO-sponsored terrorists destroying his country.

In the memo, the State Department officials argued that military action against Mr. Assad would help the fight against the Islamic State because it would bolster moderate Sunnis, who are necessary allies against the group, also known as ISIS or ISIL.

The most effective fighting force against ISIS IS THE DAMN SYRIAN ARMY - not the defeated FSA v1.0 nor the Kurdish FSA v2.0 (no matter how many U.S./German/French SF troops are 'assisting' them).

And who even ASKED these damn State Department chickenhawks for their military opinions? Remember the last time they tried to intervene in the Syrian war directly? It involved gun-running rat lines to Turkey to supply the FSA v1.0 terrorists and got Ambassador Stevens and a couple of ex-SEAL mercs killed. Don't these knuckleheads ever learn?

"...The names on the memo are almost all midlevel officials — many of them career diplomats — who have been involved in the administration’s Syria policy over the last five years, at home or abroad..."

Well, that explains a lot. I would say it's time to axe these career parasites from their .gov payroll and deny them all retirement benefits. That would be right before they get perp-walked to federal prison for sedition and treason. After the completion of their life sentences, we can ponder whether they should be sent to the Hauge. I think the blood of 500,000 dead Syrians on their hands more than qualifies them for crimes against humanity. When they finish their second life sentence, they are free to return to their home country - Israel.

The State Department seriously needs an enema - who let these crazies out of their cages to run our diplomatic efforts? And these extra-chromosome bureaucrats are all that stand between us and Russia for WW III? No wonder Russia wants to build more nukes - the U.S. State Department is a free-range asylum for lunatics.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Jun 17 2016 2:48 utc | 85

rg the lg @74

"We are all at fault" = Blame the victim.

We are ruled by an unaccountable elite that uses state and oligarchic resources to manipulate us via a compliant media. And it is only getting worse.

Millions of people recognize this and HAVE done something about it: they voted for Trump or Sanders. They are angry and rightfully so. Where that leads is uncertain.

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A similar line of thinking is constructed wrt climate change: We are ALL responsible. Bullsh!t. No individual can make a difference - climate change requires a governmental response. And that response has been stymied by powerful interests that buy influence politicians and conduct propaganda campaigns.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jun 17 2016 3:12 utc | 86

Yes, the little book!
Sadly, even if everyone on this blog read it, and half thought they agreed, it wouldn't have any impact an hour after they read it.
No one wants to admit that the shit they think they are living is a self-induced conspiracy. Thus, I whine and carp, and attempt to point out that it ain't gonna change ... we are exactly the product of our own genetically induced (NO! I DID NOT SAY CONTROLLED!) cancerous inheritance.
Rev Priest got it right, though I sometimes think
there is a bit more nastiness than is strictly necessary.
So, for the rest of you, a faceless conspiracy of dunces, try to read the thing:

Posted by: rg the lg | Jun 17 2016 3:13 utc | 87

@ rg the lg

The best way I know to break the Duopoly's lesser-evil logjam that floats on a river of money is ranked preference voting. This type of voting would make third-parties viable.

The only party that I know of that supports ranked preference voting is the GREEN PARTY.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jun 17 2016 4:25 utc | 88

Once again Steven Cohen scares the beJesus out of us!

Posted by: okie farmer | Jun 17 2016 6:25 utc | 89

Posted by: denk | Jun 16, 2016 11:49:05 AM | 41

It took right at 9 months from the collapse of the Iron Curtain, until the Vampire New American Century finished re-branding their banners from "Creeping Communism" to "Islamic Jihad", so we can deduce that the gestation time for Great Satan as the Anti-Christ is about the same, as for humanity in general.

What's particularly interesting is how the Original Anti-Christians of the Old Testament, have managed to convince the Christians that Muslims, who also hold that Jesus was a Prophet and a Saint, are somehow their 'enemies', (and if they weren't after 1967, and then again after Desert Sturm, they sure as Hell are now). So for the benefit of the Original Old Testament Satanists, you know, the 'Maker' Ba'al Worshipers, our two great civilizations, Islam and Christianity, will inevitably be destroyed, because you can't speak in public about the ... . They're invisible now, they have their secrets, to conceal.

We would have to find the reincarnation of David Lean to create such an epic as impossibly great as this one, that is about to be born in Bethlehem 2017.

Posted by: Roitan | Jun 17 2016 6:45 utc | 90

Draft the young Sanders supporters and send them overseas. That'll teach them. (Except the young 'uns are the under 50s.)

Posted by: Harold | Jun 17 2016 7:05 utc | 91

86 Jackrabbit

Speaking of 'Yes! The Conspiracy Really Exists', let's review AGW:

Al Gore, a POLITICIAN, who boasted "I never took a single math or science course in college" started the AGW meme metastasis.

James Hansen, an ASTRONOMER, whose college thesis 'Weather on Venus' was proved completely wrong by NASA probes, (which found,
instead, that, after adjusting for solar-proximity and altitude-density, that the 99% CO2 atmosphere of a totally dead Venus
is more or less the same as the 0.0042% CO2 atmosphere of Earth, in terms of temperatures). Dr Hansen violated the Federal Hatch
Act by illegally using his NASA position to proselytize for AGW, which brought him a $1.56 MILLION Green Award, ...however under
Treasury Law, as a public official Hansen had to turn that award over to the IRS. Instead, he took his pension early and
made deferred payment of the award until after he left government, becoming the second multi-millionaire to benefit from AGW.

Bill McKibben, a JOURNALIST, like Gore with zero science background, briefly worked for the New Yorker before they cut him
loose, then McKibben hacked around until he found the Disaster Epics theme, and made a fortune writing End Times chronicles.
He now lives a comfortable gated-community life in rural Vermont, together with all the other New York City expat millionaires.

Michael Mann, a STATISTICIAN, used his mathematical training to deliberately falsify climate records and their statistical analysis
into his famous 'hockey schtick' Big Lie, then his alma mater gave him academic protection after he was sued for defamation by
one of his victims. Of all of the AGW swindlers, Mann is perhaps the most perverse, willing to pervert Science for his millions.

Bill Nye, an ENGINEER, made his career as a TV Kid's Show CLOWN, the 'Science Guy'. Props to Nye as a successful media clown and
kids show teacher, but he's no climate scientist, and to pretend to be one on TV is deliberate and egregious fraud, ala Hansen.

The '97% of Climate Scientists' meme has been proven again and again to be a gigantic lie, a brainwashing slogan borrowed from
Madison Avenue's sales pitch for margarine-over-butter, it's '97% fat-free', ...but will stop your heart as dead as a doornail.

The simple fact is, deforestation and desertification are what's destroying what's left of the Earth, and the discovery of
oil and gas is what has SAVED the Earth from becoming like Saudi Arabia, a 50C death-zone desert. Without oil and gas we
would have chopped down the last tree for fuel 50 years ago, and be using corpses for compost to wretch our bowl of rice.

The simple fact is, oil and gas is no different than the billions of tons of CO2 produced by animals and microbes and decay,
as they have since life first populated the earth, that CO2 as food for the plant system that keeps all of us alive today.

The simple fact is, the Goreonauts and Hansenzim are running the largest swindle in the history of the Earth, with potential
to starve more billions of humans, the majority of whom cook with cattle dung, than any Stalin or Hitler or Pol Pot regime.

The simple fact is, the Warmers should be rounded up and put into re-education centers, then forced to work in the fields.
They should be forced to dig ditches and ponds by hand, on a bowl of rice a day, and plow the fields with oxen, one row at
a time, and fertilize crops with their own manure, scythe and winnow the grain harvest by hand, and live on rice and water.

It's a sin against Life that these Warmer Genocidists are retiring as multi-millionaires, while our last life savings are lost
to Carbon Credit Swindles run by the Goldman International Banking Cartels, and subsidizing every crazy 'green energy' scheme.
If this AGW swindle becomes a religion, we are doomed. We have to use the last of the oil and gas to build the infrastructure
for a future world where we will have limited energy alternatives, and will have to live a simple communal lifestyle again.

Yeah, that'll happen....

Posted by: Roitan | Jun 17 2016 7:19 utc | 92

SmoothieX12 | Jun 16, 2016 12:46:26 PM | 47

Pres. Putin didn't threaten; he said flatly he will nuke the U.S. if NATO invades Russia. He also said he will not warn, but act, period! Those were his words. Not a threat ever from that man; he just acts.
I named the cities; you didn't read my comment very thoroughly, but I could have been a little clearer in my dialogue.
Stupid is as stupid does as aggressed by the U.S. pushing NATO into insanity. For the first time in my long life (71 yo) I think we're actually going to do the unthinkable, and MAD will rule the day...
Being deep in S.E. Asia, I may get a few additional months, but not likely much more.

Posted by: V. Arnold | Jun 17 2016 9:21 utc | 93

I think these are fake. The image creation date on a couple of the files I inspected had a June 15, 2016 creation date. And the information is mostly benign. False flag indeed.

Posted by: PittHog48 | Jun 17 2016 12:03 utc | 94


Pres. Putin didn't threaten; he said flatly he will nuke the U.S. if NATO invades Russia.

I don't recall him saying this, what he said is that the West should remember that Russia is a nuclear power. No responsible military leader will threaten with nuking anyone. For that, there is an official public document which is called Military Doctrine Of Russian Federation which defines clearly contingencies and uses of all serious weapon systems in possession of Russia. Just to give a heads up: latest 2015 edition of this Doctrine specifies the availability of purely conventional option, including conventional high precision weapons. The issue of escalation to a nuclear threshold is mostly the business of General Staffs of nuclear nations.

Posted by: SmoothieX12 | Jun 17 2016 14:53 utc | 95

The last Sec.Gen. of NATO, Foggy (Fogh Rasmussen) is now an advisor to King Choky (Poroshenko) - i.e. this job leads straight to a spot as low man on the pole in the madhouse. But maybe not this time…

rg the lg, Ian Welsh (mostly a ‘moderate’) has a bit of a rant in a similar direction.

it is more complicated than that…ppl are ground down (to make it short, cuttin’ out 3 paragraphs..)

Posted by: Noirette | Jun 17 2016 15:29 utc | 96

That's rich. The worst spies on the planet, bar none, are going to militarily strike anyone else daring to spy. It's o.k. for them to do it, just-not-anyone else. Really, justifying attack on any nation is completely unnecessary as they do-it-non-stop for no reason other than total-domination of-the-entire planet. Why does any country even speak to these thugs, let alone do their bidding?

Posted by: Barbara | Jun 17 2016 19:34 utc | 97


Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 18 2016 2:07 utc | 98

Wasn't Roitan a cigar brand? Tobacco denialist turned climate change denialist as proven quite well.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 18 2016 2:09 utc | 99

SmoothieX12 | Jun 17, 2016 10:53:15 AM | 94

Unfortunately I cannot find a link to the source of my comment re: Putin's warning. Putin was quoted directly and cautioned Russia's response would come with no forewarning.
I assure you I read this in a foreign news source; RI, Fort Russ, or Sputnik.
You are free to believe it or not; sorry I cannot find the link.

Posted by: V. Arnold | Jun 18 2016 3:55 utc | 100

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